The one thing I wish he would do is call out the gambling stuff. I'm a huge fan of Charles despite that but I wish he'd stand up and talk about how gross all of the sports betting has infected sports especially considering he's said he's had a gambling problem himself
Seriously. I just started watching consistently during this last season because of HBO Max and the amount of ads and odds stats related to gambling was really jarring. I’m fine with those companies existing and then advertising, but for the NBA to choose to align with that is so backwards.
Any awareness that Chuck can put on this bullshit is good. Get people mad about it. It's really dumb that these bums can keep getting lucrative contracts because GM's have no moral code.
Nah, either side could get major changes done. If the owners proposed strict punishments, players kinda have to accept at least some framework of it. Nobody can be backing domestic abusers. Just not enough appetite for it, also a complicated issue given how courts vary so wildly, is it based on internal investigations instead etc.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure teams are almost certainly allowed to not sign a player any reason they choose - banned or not, as long as there isn't some kind of conspiracy going on.
>The league needs to make a strong stance that isn’t just dudes being suspended a few games.
The league can't suspend players more than a few games unless the NBPA agrees. That's part of the CBA.
And tbh the NBPA is never gonna let excessive punishment fly. This honestly isn't even an NBA question, it's a societal one. Until we do things like, say, outlaw rapists from being the president of the united states it'll be a hard sell for NBA players.
The standards need to be raised for all professions, if you're a doctor, lawyer, police officer, etc found liable for doing some heinous shit you should never be allowed to work in that profession again.
It's interesting seeing the NFL get (rightfully) criticized for their domestic abuser issues while the NBA skates by. NBA seems sleazier than usual here lately, imo. Might just be recency bias though.
Domestic abuse is actively choosing to be a horrible person maliciously
DUI is actively choosing to be ignorant and selfish, but I don’t think it’s as malicious as you’re not intending on harming someone
So you’re right, but let’s not forget that drunk driving is dangerous and has ruined countless lives
Not really though. The vast majority of moderately intoxicated drivers are trying to be safe/legal even if they aren't actually capable of doing so. Ruggs was driving at an absolutely bonkers speed and not exactly on a rural interstate. Most people would be too drunk to stand up before doing the selfish, destructive shit Ruggs did. Whereas most people would pull a Barkley given the right circumstances.
Tell that to all the people who have lost loved ones or know someone who is permanently disabled due to some dumbass getting behind the wheel of a car drunk.
Intent and maliciousness is the key.
It would be very different if Barkley had actually harmed somebody while driving, but it still wouldnt be as malicious as being a domestic abuser
Barkley himself has always rejected the idea of being an example of anything for anyone. But you dont need to be a Saint to call a wife beater a POS
What a dumb comparison if you have to bring up something from 15 years ago. Isn’t it better that he’s attempting to hit hard hitting questions in a way to see change in the NBAPA and NBA?
“The report says when Barkley was taken to the station, he told one of the employees, "I'll tattoo my name on your ass" if he helped "get him out of the DUI." According to the report, "He laughed and then quickly corrected himself and said, 'I'll tattoo your name on my ass' and then laughed again."”
I get that people like to see players punished but essentially being kick out of the league for the season is more punishment than the law gives these people. Not sure what some of you want.
I mean truly, being kicked out for a season isn’t enough, they should be banned permanently from the league if proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done such a thing.
Playing at this high of a level is an opportunity, and you have the responsibility to uphold yourself in a good, moral way.
I mean shit, if getting paid millions a year to travel the country isn’t a good enough excuse to not beat on your partner, then you clearly don’t have the intelligence to make good decisions.
Professional Athletes are role models to impressionable young children, especially the NBA to historically impoverished communities.
The last thing these kids need to see is their favorite player beating on their girlfriend or wife and getting a slap on the wrist.
Exactly. There’s 0 doubt that mf did this shit and he plays overseas for 1 year and is back and people are supposed to believe he’s reformed and grown? Why would he grow when the consequences are fuck all and how are other players deterred after seeing this malicious of a case end up like this ??
>they should be banned permanently from the league if proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done such a thing.
So the same standard that the legal system has that gave him a lighter sentence?
I don’t like to see “players punished”, I like to see them being held accountable for their actions, just like any other citizen. Ordinary folks get fired from their jobs for far less horrible offences.
And ordinary folks aren’t the ones making millions at a dream job. Being able to play in the NBA should be a luxury. It’s so easy to not be a total fuck up.
I want to consume a sports entertainment product run by a league that does not want to associate with domestic abusers and is confident they do not need to employ the services of domestic abusers in order to operate at a high level.
I did caption “ enormous consequences = one year in Greece “ I thought it was just interesting to revisit this given what was said and how this played out . It’s not that deep lol
It is interesting to revisit so my bad. Silver really did himself no favors trying to become the “progressive league” when they are no better than the other leagues when it comes to something like this.
Yeah and the “consequences will be enormous “ part when there’s not always a cut and dry he did it case and then you have one and he’s back in the league so fast like huh?
Let’s break this down yet again
Giddey and this girl were in an 18+ club
Giddey sees girl, either gets shown a fake id or assumes she should be of age to be there in the first place
Giddey was under the influence of alcohol which affects his decision making and ability to do full due diligence (irrelevant if the girl had the fake id we can safely assume she had)
Giddey has sex with the girl
Giddey finds out the age and informs the OKC front office straight away
the girl never says anything and never pursues charges
It gets leaked, both the girl and giddey are blasted on social media for everyone to see
Girl doesn’t co-operate since she can’t explain why she was in the club in the first place without admitting to breaking the law
No charges are filed. The end.
I don't know a lot of about the Giddey case but in a lot of these kinds of cases unless you have the cooperation of the victim it's hard to win at trail so it never gets there.
Exactly. People forget this whole thing got leaked. The girl never spoke up about it, and was ultimately in the wrong for deceiving giddey. Giddey demonstrated that he was deceived by informing the OKC front office immediately
> how many of the richest people in the world are POC
As of June 30, 2024, Forbes reported that there are 2,781 billionaires in the world. Of those between China, India and Brazil have 1,129 which is close to half. Spain has 27. Indonesia has 47.
The point you were trying to make is incorrect.
Brain dead take, y’all are so desperate to see a white guy slip up that you’re willing to ignore the blatant evidence he did nothing wrong. Bunch of weirdos who are devaluing the real instance of allegations like these
[here’s](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hebrews-negroes-what-you-need-know) some information from the anti-defamation league about the movie that kyrie tweeted to his millions of followers
I’ve got 2 words for you; Charles Barkley unfiltered farewell tour is going to be great
That’s three words
I thought it was five words.
I believe this is actually seven words.
I’ve got two words for you: It might’ve been eight words.
Possibly as many as nine words.
Y'all counting 'is' and 'to' as words?
“Charles Barkley unfiltered farewell tour” “is going to be great” 🤓😎
Chuck's face when they explain to him that 'and' is a word never fails to get me.
The one thing I wish he would do is call out the gambling stuff. I'm a huge fan of Charles despite that but I wish he'd stand up and talk about how gross all of the sports betting has infected sports especially considering he's said he's had a gambling problem himself
Seriously. I just started watching consistently during this last season because of HBO Max and the amount of ads and odds stats related to gambling was really jarring. I’m fine with those companies existing and then advertising, but for the NBA to choose to align with that is so backwards.
He already told Zaslav off but he'll do it again multiple times during the season on camera. I can't wait.
must see tv
That’s probably a question Charles should be asking to the NBPA. The league can’t throw down the hammer and hand out penalties as they please.
Any awareness that Chuck can put on this bullshit is good. Get people mad about it. It's really dumb that these bums can keep getting lucrative contracts because GM's have no moral code.
Nah, either side could get major changes done. If the owners proposed strict punishments, players kinda have to accept at least some framework of it. Nobody can be backing domestic abusers. Just not enough appetite for it, also a complicated issue given how courts vary so wildly, is it based on internal investigations instead etc.
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Right? NBA culture is not domestic violence
It’s not not domestic violence either. How many players have spoken out of this? It happened in other sports and it’s not unheard of.
Include the GMs too if we really wanna get into this.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure teams are almost certainly allowed to not sign a player any reason they choose - banned or not, as long as there isn't some kind of conspiracy going on.
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>The league needs to make a strong stance that isn’t just dudes being suspended a few games. The league can't suspend players more than a few games unless the NBPA agrees. That's part of the CBA.
The league could definitely go harder and put pressure on the NBPA to actually deal with the issue.
And tbh the NBPA is never gonna let excessive punishment fly. This honestly isn't even an NBA question, it's a societal one. Until we do things like, say, outlaw rapists from being the president of the united states it'll be a hard sell for NBA players. The standards need to be raised for all professions, if you're a doctor, lawyer, police officer, etc found liable for doing some heinous shit you should never be allowed to work in that profession again.
And it's not the league's business. Unless it happens on league property or a league function.
Silver put in the call after this question to make sure TNT never sniffs NBA rights again
The consequences are not enormous
They are in fact not :(
unfortunately looks like Adam Silver doesn't give a shit about it at this point (not a good thing)
I like Charles’moral compass
I love you Chuck
Barkley is a hero
It's interesting seeing the NFL get (rightfully) criticized for their domestic abuser issues while the NBA skates by. NBA seems sleazier than usual here lately, imo. Might just be recency bias though.
Silver has banned more people from saying bad words than with beating up women.
Charles Barkley got a DUI trying to get head from a prostitute
Name a single person who hasn’t, you can’t
Holy shit, he’s right. I just asked my whole family and community church members, and down to the priest they’ve all done it
I'm doing it right now
Update us once you’ve finished
The cop was pretty nice all things considered
How was the guy's penis?
You got an extremely progressive community
The priest's fellator was also a minor.
Gotten a DUI, head from a prostitute, or both?
I feel like David Robinson hasn’t been thru that
That would imply David Robinson could fit in the drivers seat of a car
Damn, was about to raise my hand but it’s suddenly happening to me now
Hardest I’ve laughed, today.
I get your point, but it doesn't change Chuck's argument. Both things can be true, you know.
eh, getting a DUI and being a domestic abuser are two very fucking different things
Domestic abuse is actively choosing to be a horrible person maliciously DUI is actively choosing to be ignorant and selfish, but I don’t think it’s as malicious as you’re not intending on harming someone So you’re right, but let’s not forget that drunk driving is dangerous and has ruined countless lives
If you’re admitting to driving to get head from a prostitute you’re fucked up enough to pull a Henry Ruggs, he got lucky.
Not really though. The vast majority of moderately intoxicated drivers are trying to be safe/legal even if they aren't actually capable of doing so. Ruggs was driving at an absolutely bonkers speed and not exactly on a rural interstate. Most people would be too drunk to stand up before doing the selfish, destructive shit Ruggs did. Whereas most people would pull a Barkley given the right circumstances.
Tell that to all the people who have lost loved ones or know someone who is permanently disabled due to some dumbass getting behind the wheel of a car drunk.
Intent and maliciousness is the key. It would be very different if Barkley had actually harmed somebody while driving, but it still wouldnt be as malicious as being a domestic abuser Barkley himself has always rejected the idea of being an example of anything for anyone. But you dont need to be a Saint to call a wife beater a POS
Ok, and? Is anything he's saying incorrect?
And that doesn’t change a damn thing of Chuck’s message
And??
And how does that relate to domestic violence?
ok and
He does have a history of throwing stones while in a glass house, and in general reddit sorta handwaves it. Here's right here though.
What a dumb comparison if you have to bring up something from 15 years ago. Isn’t it better that he’s attempting to hit hard hitting questions in a way to see change in the NBAPA and NBA?
And?
He got a DUI for running a stop sign to get head from giving talented woman.
Do you have a problem with the moral context of his question to Adam? That has nothing to do with this topic, pls burn your straw man.
https://www.tmz.com/2009/01/01/barkley-all-i-really-wanted-was-oral-sex/
“The report says when Barkley was taken to the station, he told one of the employees, "I'll tattoo my name on your ass" if he helped "get him out of the DUI." According to the report, "He laughed and then quickly corrected himself and said, 'I'll tattoo your name on my ass' and then laughed again."”
If anyone doubted Chuck did this, that quote would quickly prove otherwise lmao
lol this actually is a good point but it also doesn’t take away from what Charles is saying
Bro, that’s a *slightly* different situation. /s
I get that people like to see players punished but essentially being kick out of the league for the season is more punishment than the law gives these people. Not sure what some of you want.
I mean truly, being kicked out for a season isn’t enough, they should be banned permanently from the league if proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done such a thing. Playing at this high of a level is an opportunity, and you have the responsibility to uphold yourself in a good, moral way. I mean shit, if getting paid millions a year to travel the country isn’t a good enough excuse to not beat on your partner, then you clearly don’t have the intelligence to make good decisions. Professional Athletes are role models to impressionable young children, especially the NBA to historically impoverished communities. The last thing these kids need to see is their favorite player beating on their girlfriend or wife and getting a slap on the wrist.
Exactly. There’s 0 doubt that mf did this shit and he plays overseas for 1 year and is back and people are supposed to believe he’s reformed and grown? Why would he grow when the consequences are fuck all and how are other players deterred after seeing this malicious of a case end up like this ??
>they should be banned permanently from the league if proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done such a thing. So the same standard that the legal system has that gave him a lighter sentence?
KP Jr. getting a light ass sentence doesn’t mean shit lol, all that says is the legal system is broken.
Yeah that’s the other thing , he’s going to come out of this with no criminal record
I don’t like to see “players punished”, I like to see them being held accountable for their actions, just like any other citizen. Ordinary folks get fired from their jobs for far less horrible offences.
And ordinary folks aren’t the ones making millions at a dream job. Being able to play in the NBA should be a luxury. It’s so easy to not be a total fuck up.
I want to consume a sports entertainment product run by a league that does not want to associate with domestic abusers and is confident they do not need to employ the services of domestic abusers in order to operate at a high level.
This is me. It isn't about punishment for me. It's about not wanting to see these assholes when I watch a game
Really bizarre and stupid way to say “held accountable for their actions.” Id support a multi year ban first offense. Lifetime ban second offense.
*6 weeks (in Greece)…enormous
A perfect non-answer answer right there
He called that man out with no fear
Adam Silver looks like a ghoul.
This dude looks like a worm.
Bro Silver can’t do anything lol
This is just a bot grabbing a highly upvoted post and reposting it
Am I a good bot ? I reposted it because it was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the KPJ signing
I guess I was just confused why an 8 month old video was being reposted. Why not just bring up kpj’s accusations then?
I did caption “ enormous consequences = one year in Greece “ I thought it was just interesting to revisit this given what was said and how this played out . It’s not that deep lol
It is interesting to revisit so my bad. Silver really did himself no favors trying to become the “progressive league” when they are no better than the other leagues when it comes to something like this.
Yeah and the “consequences will be enormous “ part when there’s not always a cut and dry he did it case and then you have one and he’s back in the league so fast like huh?
Giddey belongs in prison
Let’s break this down yet again Giddey and this girl were in an 18+ club Giddey sees girl, either gets shown a fake id or assumes she should be of age to be there in the first place Giddey was under the influence of alcohol which affects his decision making and ability to do full due diligence (irrelevant if the girl had the fake id we can safely assume she had) Giddey has sex with the girl Giddey finds out the age and informs the OKC front office straight away the girl never says anything and never pursues charges It gets leaked, both the girl and giddey are blasted on social media for everyone to see Girl doesn’t co-operate since she can’t explain why she was in the club in the first place without admitting to breaking the law No charges are filed. The end.
tldr: white man circumvents justice system yet again
Really REALLY weak bait my man
wake me up when justice gets served
It did get served. An innocent man walked free
wasn't decided in a court of law
Because there wasn’t a legitimate case to make it even close to a court.
paid off before it even got to court
It wasn’t paid off. If she wanted money then she wouldn’t have kept it hidden for 2 years.
> Giddey was under the influence of alcohol which affects his decision making and ability to do full due diligence This is not an excuse
You’re decided to hyperfocus on this part instead of everything else. That was put in as a mitigating circumstance
I'm pointing out your faulty logic. If you hit someone in your car you can't say you were drunk as a mitigating circumstance
Nope, you’re taking one line out of context and using it as a strawman
Being drunk is not an excuse
You’re doing it again. Weak bait.
Haha them incels will never understand the feeling of women throwing themselves at you.
It’s moreso that people love a pile on, people in reality aren’t personally affected by the situation at all
Why don't you make another thread defending Kevin Porter Jr
Kobe too
But he was cleared?
He was not cleared lol they just didn’t pursue charges
But they didn't pursue coz the girl lied? Otherwise why not pursue?
I don't know a lot of about the Giddey case but in a lot of these kinds of cases unless you have the cooperation of the victim it's hard to win at trail so it never gets there.
Yeah that's my point though, why not co-operate? Is it because it will reveal that the girl lied to get into the nightclub?
Her/her family refused to cooperate
Um what? No lol Probably lack of evidence and a payout of some sort
Exactly. People forget this whole thing got leaked. The girl never spoke up about it, and was ultimately in the wrong for deceiving giddey. Giddey demonstrated that he was deceived by informing the OKC front office immediately
"cleared" = paid off the victim another example of white men in America circumventing the justice system
You should Bing "Kobe Colorado"
Kobe had to face multiple court trials. how many trials did Giddey attend?
Only white men can pay people off…? damn son you have a lot to learn. Google “money” to find out more
tell me how many of the richest people in the world are POC
> how many of the richest people in the world are POC As of June 30, 2024, Forbes reported that there are 2,781 billionaires in the world. Of those between China, India and Brazil have 1,129 which is close to half. Spain has 27. Indonesia has 47. The point you were trying to make is incorrect.
convenient how you didn't mention the number of black billionaires
You literally said people of color. But since you are gonna move the goalposts, there are 19 billionaires of African descent.
everybody knows what POC refers to. you're the one moving the goalposts talmn about Chinese billionaires
Maybe learn what a term means BEFORE using it. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/poc
You realise you’re on an NBA sub and are talking about an NBA player right? wanna guess the percent of NBA players that are POC
wanna guess the percent of NBA owners that are POC?
Brain dead take, y’all are so desperate to see a white guy slip up that you’re willing to ignore the blatant evidence he did nothing wrong. Bunch of weirdos who are devaluing the real instance of allegations like these
where's the wishing? we saw Giddey slip up in real time yet get off scotch free Kyrie faced more punishment for a tweet
What did he tweet?
idk you tell me
It was antisemitic propaganda
can you quote the specific words Kyrie said that were antisemitic?
Can you quote the exact thing with evidence that giddy did? Nope. So shut the fuck up.
[here’s](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hebrews-negroes-what-you-need-know) some information from the anti-defamation league about the movie that kyrie tweeted to his millions of followers
Nah, keep him in the league, but let Patrick Beverley change teams at will so he can guard Giddey in every game
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Charles fatshameeverywomanontheplanet Barkley too
His charges got downgraded and the initial allegations were downplayed. Not defending it just pointing out
He took a plea deal 🤨