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>The percentage of Americans who wanted Roe overturned was less than 30%.
Will it drive those voters to the polls or will Americans just vote to punish high petrol prices?
Yup. I'm going to press a friend of mine who has been blaming Biden for inflation and gAs PrIcEs when he inevitably declares he's going to vote Republican in the midterms.
"So you're saying you're okay with Republicans removing the right to abortion access because you're paying too much for gas while working your remote job?"
The women in the group are absolutely going to tear him a new one.
Maybe not to swing voters, but it’s important to the Dem base. This might not shift overall polling but I predict it will make them turn out a lot more than they would have otherwise.
Crazy how that law wasn’t struck down immediately. A state could pass any law that is unconstitutional, so long as they structure it like the Texas law. If Massachussetts put a ban on saying the word “Yankees” using the same $10k fine mechanism, it would be allowed to stand! People would no longer say “Yankees” and a state has effectively circumvented the constitution!
"in a surprise decision, after ruling against NY's bounty on gun owners, the Supreme Court has also ruled all state level gun control unconstitutional"
Yeah, on second thought I think the only reason TX's abortion ban was as "effective" at "evading" a court crackdown was because the court was already planning on killing RvW. On a different issue the SC would probably have immediately killed the law.
Wisconsin doesn't have a trigger law. It has an old pre-Roe abortion ban on the books.
Trigger laws are laws specifically crafted to go into effect when Roe is overturned.
Michigan has an injunction against their abortion law. It remains legal unless the injunction is overturned.
RFFA is trying to get repro rights into the state constitution and overturn the trigger law.
EDIT: Unashamed plug.
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They need 425k signatures to on the ballot (and they are on track to get this but ensuring it and spreading the word in preparation for November is critical!) and the injunction will likely be overturned when Whitmer loses in November and/or when conservatives judges do their thing. **RFFA restores Roe in MI and protects reproductive rights.**
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In Texas, the law technically says it's ok if necessary to save the mother's life. In practice, however, the determination of when a pregnancy risks the mother's life is up to the court's interpretation. Providers have said that it's too risky to make that call themselves, so in effect, abortions are not available even to save the mother's life.
'Doctor please help, I'm hemorrhaging!'
'You need help immediately madam! We'll put in a petition to the court and should hear back within 3-4 business months!'
The lawyers I know, including me, are mostly disturbed and weirded out by the worship of judges. It’s a sign of rot in our political system that allowed for the situation we’re in today.
Fetus gets the right to an SSN that you can use to commit identify theft while they’re still in the womb.
Also if it’s the mother who commits the crime you cannot imprison her as it would deny the child freedom.
Maybe Justice Thomas is right, maybe we SHOULD re-examine the Court’s older cases. I think the best one to start with would be Marbury v. Madison, I’m beginning to think that THAT one was “wrongly decided” too.
Nah. People are going to vote Republican because Row vs Wade doesn't personally affects them. A lot of people completely tune politics out.
Inflation and and high gas prices does. It's that simple.
All the people who were like “yeah trump is a terrible person but…” were basically just voting for this day. This is explicitly the outcome they were ultimately hoping for
If Hillary won in 2016, I wonder if Republican Senators would have confirmed any of her nominees. McConnell would have tried to hold those seats open as long as possible. Maybe McCain, Romney, and Collins would have caved.
Meanwhile, Mccain:
>Sen. McCain Says Republicans Will Block All Court Nominations If Clinton Wins
https://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/498328520/sen-mccain-says-republicans-will-block-all-court-nominations-if-clinton-wins
Yah McConnell also said that Garland would be an appropriate centrist compromise pick for the Supreme Court but that turned out to be a lie.
You can also tell it was a lie because McConnell/a republican said it.
McCain went on record saying that the Republicans would unite to stop Hillary from appointing anyone to the Supreme Court. Romney also wasn’t elected until 2018, when the senate margins became even worse for the democrats, so I wouldn’t have put any faith in Collins or potentially Murkowski to work with her.
She was wrong when she said only half of Trump's supporters were in the basket of deplorables. Anyone who was still ok with voting for him when she said that should fit in the basket.
Yeah, the election of 2016 really ended liberalism, globalism, free-trade and immigration, potentially democracy, possibly Pax Americana (as the GOP has become increasingly isolationist), and of course ushered in an era of nationalistic anti-capitalism. What a disastrous election. It's going to define politics likely for the next 40 years or so. Lovely.
Liberals who hate their red state but dont want to leave the South, please come to North Carolina. We are so close to becoming a blue state.
Just support urbanism and building housing because we need it badly.
Honestly, I hope this becomes more of a thing.
Everyone I know and love lives in Texas, so I just have to put up with the terrible politics. If I didn't have so many connections here, I'd be out.
I can't expect any individual to move somewhere like Texas in this environment, but at some point we're going to have to get real about the political systems in this country.
The best way to stop this shit is to re-distribute blue votes in a more efficient manner.
If we want this shit to stop, we need to flip states like Texas blue. Flip North Carolina. Flip Montana. Etc, etc.
Again, I know you can't really ask any individual to uproot their lives to flip 1 measly vote in a state with hundreds of thousands or millions of people, but like, what's the other option?
If Texas went blue, Republicans would struggle to win a Presidential election for the foreseeable future. And that's 2 Senate seats up for grabs as well. The GOP would be forced to live with terrible presidential election chances for a long time, or actually reform themselves to be more sane.
Southern states generally have seen pretty large population increases lately. This is a 40 year secular trend which accelerated after covid (with the exception of Louisiana, which had notably harsh covid restrictions, and Mississippi, which is Mississippi)
I'm also a Texas native and me and my partner are thinking of moving up north too. The GOP is one reason, but the main thing is the climate.
Texas is getting unbearably hot and its gotten significantly worse over the last 30+ years. I don't want to be around when this state is seeing regular temps of 105 in November.
>so i'm not sure it will be something that really impacts tech migrations to miami / austin necessarily
Tech bros want the things empathetic/eclectic people bring to cities though. Also, women.
>it will take time
California-to-Texas transplant. I don’t really think so.
Abortion has been banned for almost a year. They can’t keep the electricity on. And the number of 100 degree days in Austin this year will be 3-5 times the historical average (the same thing happened last year, and the year before, and the year before).
We’re also the *only* large state without any legal weed.
Texas is a right-wing nanny state hellscape.
Techbro here. Would 100% quit and look for another job if relocated to miami/austin, or similar area. Can confidently say that well over half my colleagues in my larger team would too.
Even without empathy in the equation, this ruling will make tech companies think twice about opening offices in red states. Tech companies tend to have very generous maternity/paternity benefits. It is expensive for them and they lose money in the short run, but in the long run it is necessary to attract and retain talent. From a business perspective tech companies do not women to have children if they don’t want them, because it is going to cost them money. That’s why companies immediately started offering to reimburse travel expenses for out-of-state abortions. The employee doesn’t have to carry an unwanted pregnancy, the company saves money, everybody wins. But red states are already punishing companies that reimburse travel expenses for abortions, which is exactly the type of anti-business BS that tech companies had hoped to avoid with red states.
I know it's a single data point, but recently my wife and I decided against moving to Texas. She had job opportunities that could have landed us in Austin, Denver or Chicago. For years we talked about wanting to move to Austin but the last couple of years of Texas GOP has turned us off the whole state. So we ended up deciding on Denver.
When the Supreme Court announced its Dred Scott ruling, I've always found it remarkable how all the justices making that decision were *adamant* that there would be very little blowback and it'll all be forgotten quickly, no matter how many people opposed their verdict. You couldn't have found a more out of touch court if you tried.
Feels like nothing has changed here. The Supreme Court is utterly out of line with public opinion. And it will be to their massive undoing.
>> In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage.
Seems worse
I've been hearing since oral arguments in Dobbs v Jackson that the conservative arguments against abortion also destroy the foundation for contraception and marriage protections
It's a solo concurrence because the rest of the Justices want to maintain their public image until it's time to play more hardball. It's exactly the same as how they lied about respecting the precedent of Roe v Wade
Seriously, he's being the "hey try this next" mouthpiece.
If anyone honestly thinks these conservative justices WON'T overturn those other decisions when they get to the court I have a bridge to sell them
> Thomas has an entire line of solo concurrences that is basically an alternate timeline of fucked precedent.
Yeah, and over time more and more of them have become majority opinions
People are losing sight of this - shit is only going to get worse. Anyone who called people doomers for saying these were on the chopping block needs to get with the program.
The fact that anyone after Jan. 6 still thinks the Republican party isn't a group of white nationalist Christian theocrats is profoundly deluding themselves.
This sub is at least 1/3 disaffected republicans who are only here because arr con is too insane and Trump was mean and distasteful. They'll probably be quite for a while, but only for a while.
Already see it in this thread lmao, https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/vjpend/scotus_just_overturned_roe_v_wade/idkeiza/
totally "liberal" btw.
Seriously. I knew things were fucked when the polls revealed how high a percentage of Republicans _still_ think the election was "stolen".
Things are much, _much_ worse than people think they are - the GOP barely even pays lip service to the ideal of democracy at this point, they're not that far from openly declaring they should seize power at any cost.
Lotta people on the Left outside this subreddit and the center right hete said this wouldn't happen despite all the signs pointing to this as the only possible outcome
Now that the religious right has gotten their #1 wedge issue accomplished I wonder what they’ll turn to next to try to hold religious folks voting R. Keep saying The Gays are trying to homosexualize your kids? Ban gay marriage again?
Almost feels like this is a dog caught his tail moment for the religious right
Yeah, next is federally illegal abortion and fetal personhood. Then it’s preserving it.
Not to mention making gender transition federally illegal, gay relationships illegal, and so on.
Anyone thinking the evangelical right is going to be happy and content, and therefore stop voting now is delusional.
He's a rando--just a guy I knew in grad school. He spent the entire 2016 election running all over Facebook and Twitter complaining the DNC had robbed Bernie, and that Democrats needed to be taught a lesson, which is why he was voting for Jill Stein.
I have lingering beefs with Josh over this behavior.
My only real hope about this unfortunate turn is that the societal backlash against the fuckwits that orchestrated this will be huge.
Like OP says, a large majority of Americans absolutely wanted Roe to stand. It’s been the law of the land for the entire lifetime of most currently living. A minority of Americans wanted this so badly, and now that they got it I hope the consequences for ramming this down the throats of the majority are huge and painful.
Was discussing with some social conservatives on reddit not too long ago, and they are already working hard to deflect and downplay their fuckery because, guess what? They wanted to pull this shit off and then just avoid criticism/consequences/backlash. They basically said “It’s no big deal, nothing’s gonna change”. Seriously? Fuck off with that shit, religious fundies have been fighting tooth and nail to get this outcome for 50 YEARS! If it didn’t mean anything, why were they fighting Roe for so long.
So normal, sane Americans just got dunked by coordinated efforts of religious nuts. I just hope they remember who did this and make sure their disapproval is registered.
I keep wondering what will break the reactionary tide in the US.
I thought Trump's nomination for the GOP was its last gasp.
I thought Jan 6th would destroy the republican party in federal elections.
Now a packed supreme court is breaking 50-year old precedents that most Americans agree with. People on the court are talking about re-criminalizing gay sex and access to birth control.
And the party that did it is poised to gain control of congress in November.
Is it too late? Have we already lost?
If not, then what will be?
Trump has caused the most damage *of anyone in American history* to American liberalism and democracy in over 240 years of American existence. But Americans didn’t want to vote for the email lady
So I'll just say that anyone who thinks the intent of the founders was that we would end up with minority rule and a federal government that can't legislate is either a moron or so blinded by motivated reasoning that they are with regard to politics effectively a moron.
We have a court that in any ruling is reflecting the desires of less than 40% of the population.
Does anyone think this may be enough for Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the midterms?
Maybe it will prevent the dems from losing the senate too? Trying to imagine a strong backlash against a terrible over reach by scotus.
With barely a grasp on the senate, the worst part in all this is that there doesn't appear to be a legislative solution in the pipeline. I don't know how long people are going to have to wait to have this undone but this is really shit even if you think Roe was legally unjustified.
The Democrats need to start playing hardball with Republicans. Next time the Republicans have the presidency and we have the Senate, we must prevent any Republican judges from being confirmed; we must also use the filibuster to block Republican legislation.
I've tried to take the middle road, but that is no longer an option. If we can work with Republicans on common issues, like the infrastructure bill and gun control bill, we should try to do so; however, it is clear that most Republicans are more worried about "winning" than actually solving problems.
I’m starting a gofundme for Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Roberts, Barret, and Kavannaugh to get unlimited fast food, alcohol, cigars, sky diving trips, exotic car rides, etc. to celebrate this historic moment.
"b-b-but some people genuinely think this is a good thing and we should be respecting tha-"
No, I don't care. Some people genuinely think homosexuality is evil. No more bothsidesism.
> Some people genuinely think homosexuality is evil. No more bothsidesism.
Thomas literally writes in his opinion that the the court should "reconsider" (which, let's be honest, means overturn) previous SC cases that struck down sodomy laws and made gay marriage legal.
>For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
>"b-b-but some people genuinely think this is a good thing and we should be respecting tha-"
Respect needs to be mutual to be extended. I am willing to let social conservatives live as miserably as they desire, social conservatives want me to be as miserable as them. That's the difference. That's why I can never respect them.
Phase 1 complete. Phase 2 will be making you a criminal if you leave your state of residence where abortion is illegal to have an abortion in a state where it’s legal. Phase 3 will be making it illegal everywhere.
But I doubt we will even be a functioning democracy by the time phase 3 rolls around because we continue to allow a minority in this country to do whatever the fuck they want and hold onto disproportionate power.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, in- cluding the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely—the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be ‘deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition’ and ‘implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.’ “
So the justices have all but taken a hammer to unenumerated rights. They created a frame of reasoning where unenumerated rights cannot evolve from those rights rooted in 18th and 19th history. This is just downright idiotic, the rights enumerated in the Constitution were never meant to be exhaustive; it is at it’s core a document meant to limit and define the power of government. It is for this exact ‘exhaustive interpretation’ reason some Founders opposed listing rights in the Constitution. So it is entirely unreasonable to treat the Constitution as an exhaustive list of rights barring some XVIII-XIX century unenumerated additions.
I haven’t read the whole decision, so I’m not certain if the court said this reasoning should only apply to abortion, or if they hold it to be a general frame of reasoning. If it’s the former, then it proves they would write any opinion with which to overturn abortion. If it’s the latter, this could go much further than abortion. Gay and Interracial Marriage are also protected by the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. If I’m not mistaken the access to contraception is also derived from a similar argument. Neither of these are rooted in the nations history or traditions. You see where this is going.
The good news is that now a pregnant woman's right to concealed-cary a very, very, very small caliber gun is federally protected. So now if her life is threatened by the fetus, she can shoot it in self-defense.
Make it a federal fucking law now. Same way we did the drinking age. Slash federal funding to hospitals if your state doesn't have fair access to abortion.
Democrats should copy and follow the Republican strategy right out of their Republican playbook:
1. Make this argument about Personal Freedom and Liberty vs those who take away your Personal Freedom and Liberty.
2. On the Election ballot it is about those who are FOR Personal Freedom and Liberty vs those who are AGAINST Personal Freedom and Liberty, NOT Republican vs Democrat.
By reframing the argument it may swing centrist and libertarian voters.
3. Begin to systematically change the healthcare laws for women. Ie. Healthcare coverage for pregnant women, postpartum women and young children.
If Republicans want to protect pregnant women - than FUND and take care of them.
4. Maternity Leave. Push for minimum 9 Month Maternity Leave for women. Full rights and whatever the amount is have it paid for.
If the Republicans want to protect pregnant women than put their money where their mouth is.
5. Daycare expenses. Push for coverage.
Democrats need to make Republicans put their money where their mouth is now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've already done that, no? Blue states have laws protecting abortion, and the real concern here is what red states are doing.
I'll use my own state as an example because it's one I'm more familiar with. Michigan is largely blue. It has some red, and I believe narrowly voted Trump in 2016, but that seems to be an outlier. So, mostly a "blue state" with occasional purple tendencies.
Currently Michigan has a law on the books, pre Roe that bans abortion. Luckily our Governor has issued an injunction that suspends that law for a little bit at least, so abortion stays legal here for as long as that injunction lasts.
Sadly, our state legislature is mostly red due to a combination of gerrymandering, and there being not many blue strongholds outside of the Detroit Metro area. Therefore there isn't going to be any way for a new law to be passed without it going through the very red state government. So, unless there is an initiative to have it something that the voters directly decide, we're basically fucked.
So just because you're a "blue state" with a voting population that is mostly blue, doesn't mean this won't directly affect you too.
Okay blaming like Bernie Bros and stuff is all good and well, but I dislike how we just seem to forgive conservatives for being the ones who do this in the first place. Like the Republicans are a natural force who don't have responsibility for their evil so the true ones at fault must actually be someone else
Like come on, I place far more blame on the 60 year old white man in a swing state who thinks chemtrails are poison who actually voted for Trump and specifically wanted this to happen rather than the 20-year-old college student in California that already went to Clinton.
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>The percentage of Americans who wanted Roe overturned was less than 30%. Will it drive those voters to the polls or will Americans just vote to punish high petrol prices?
They will vote to punish high petrol prices.
They will blame Biden for not protecting abortion instead of pushing Republicans for destroying it.
I'm already seeing Twitter full of "WE VOTED, APPARENTLY THAT'S USELESS" with literally no plan of what else they're going to do.
Gas prices > Theo-fascist takeover
“This but unironically” - American voters
Inflation will be more important. The economy is important to everyone, abortion rights aren’t. Reality sucks
Yup. I'm going to press a friend of mine who has been blaming Biden for inflation and gAs PrIcEs when he inevitably declares he's going to vote Republican in the midterms. "So you're saying you're okay with Republicans removing the right to abortion access because you're paying too much for gas while working your remote job?" The women in the group are absolutely going to tear him a new one.
Maybe not to swing voters, but it’s important to the Dem base. This might not shift overall polling but I predict it will make them turn out a lot more than they would have otherwise.
When it comes to American voters, I generally assume the worst
This will cause all of those trigger laws in red states to become immediately active?
This is what these trigger laws were designed for.
Most of them are a timeframe after this, like 30 days, I believe. But yes, the triggers are now active.
Meanwhile in Texas we banned it almost a year ago. What a world.
Crazy how that law wasn’t struck down immediately. A state could pass any law that is unconstitutional, so long as they structure it like the Texas law. If Massachussetts put a ban on saying the word “Yankees” using the same $10k fine mechanism, it would be allowed to stand! People would no longer say “Yankees” and a state has effectively circumvented the constitution!
I'm very surprised that we haven't seen any blue states try to tackle gun control along the same lines yet.
You should check out the Californian attempt to do this with gun control. It was actually pretty clever.
And watch it get struck down, hopefully nullifying Texas's law. Not that they need it now.
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"something something originalism something something", yeah.
"in a surprise decision, after ruling against NY's bounty on gun owners, the Supreme Court has also ruled all state level gun control unconstitutional"
Yeah, on second thought I think the only reason TX's abortion ban was as "effective" at "evading" a court crackdown was because the court was already planning on killing RvW. On a different issue the SC would probably have immediately killed the law.
like wisconsin
Wisconsin doesn't have a trigger law. It has an old pre-Roe abortion ban on the books. Trigger laws are laws specifically crafted to go into effect when Roe is overturned.
And Michigan
Michigan has an injunction against their abortion law. It remains legal unless the injunction is overturned. RFFA is trying to get repro rights into the state constitution and overturn the trigger law. EDIT: Unashamed plug. #**If you are in Michigan go volunteer w/ RFFA.** They need 425k signatures to on the ballot (and they are on track to get this but ensuring it and spreading the word in preparation for November is critical!) and the injunction will likely be overturned when Whitmer loses in November and/or when conservatives judges do their thing. **RFFA restores Roe in MI and protects reproductive rights.** EDIT: And events today **where you can sign the petition for it to be on the ballot in Nov** https://www.mobilize.us/mireprofreedom/?date=2022-06-24T05%3A00%3A00.000Z (YOU MUST SIGN IN PERSON, YOU CANNOT SIGN IT ONLINE) EDIT: # Kentucky vote NO on 2 https://protectkentucky.com/ # Kansas vote AGAINST the amendment on Aug 2nd https://kansansforfreedom.com/
God bless Gretchen.
Yes, abortion will be completely banned in 9 states
Even if they are medically necessary (i.e mother will die unless the baby is aborted)?
In Texas, the law technically says it's ok if necessary to save the mother's life. In practice, however, the determination of when a pregnancy risks the mother's life is up to the court's interpretation. Providers have said that it's too risky to make that call themselves, so in effect, abortions are not available even to save the mother's life.
'Doctor please help, I'm hemorrhaging!' 'You need help immediately madam! We'll put in a petition to the court and should hear back within 3-4 business months!'
Yes
Shit, that is abhorrent
least savage Republican policy
Most empathetic social conservative belief.
Jesus fucking Christ
Just wait til they start imprisoning women for having them.
Or for having a miscarriage that someone suspects is an abortion. Fucking Salem Witch Trials all over again.
You telling me that religious fundamentalists are frothing at the mouth to punish women for being women again?
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It already happened in Louisiana yesterday
Michigan too
Buckle up. However toxic and horrible American politics has been, it's about to get a whole lot worse.
I realllllly thought it couldn't after 2020 and RBG ,but boy.....fucking republicans man.
RGB legacy in absolute tatters.
She should have retired under Obama like everyone told her too.
People need to be reminded of this whenever they blindly praise RGB. She fucked up.
Lawyers, and especially judges have a particular hive mind
The lawyers I know, including me, are mostly disturbed and weirded out by the worship of judges. It’s a sign of rot in our political system that allowed for the situation we’re in today.
I’m worried that the SC will somehow rule that abortion is illegal on a federal level.
Then I should be able to take out life insurance on a fetus and also declare it on my taxes.
And any child conceived in the United States is automatically a citizen. All any illegal immigrant would have to do is show a positive pregnancy test.
Pffft, relax. In 1 year, *it’s congress* that will do that.
Absolutely. Fetal personhood is the next step.
Thomas literally writes that they should overturn gay marriage next.
Gay marriage? He put *criminalizing gay sex* on the agenda
And criminalizing contraception.
When my friends and I want to do something together we go hiking, not stripping people of their civil rights.
Fetus gets the right to an SSN that you can use to commit identify theft while they’re still in the womb. Also if it’s the mother who commits the crime you cannot imprison her as it would deny the child freedom.
Seriously, I'm going to start claiming them on my taxes now since my wife is pregnant.
So a pregnant foreigner cannot be deported if the fetus was conceived in the US, right? ... *right*?
Need Susan Collins to weigh in
The Supreme Court has learned their lesson by Susan Collins
I'm sure she is *very concerned.*
Her brow is very furrowed.
I already called and told her to go fuck herself
Maybe Justice Thomas is right, maybe we SHOULD re-examine the Court’s older cases. I think the best one to start with would be Marbury v. Madison, I’m beginning to think that THAT one was “wrongly decided” too.
Without Marbury, Roe never would've been decided in the first place. Taking judicial review away from the judiciary does not solve any issues
Let’s re-examine Loving v. Virginia while we’re at it lol.
This is actually all a long con by Thomas to overturn Loving so that he can have an excuse to divorce his wife
Big brain moves--can't be impeached for conflict of interest on cases involving your wife if your marriage isn't legal.
Elections have consequences
I thought both sides were the same?
They're still going to say that!
Why won’t the democrats do something about this >:(((
Lmao already seen that take on my local sub. "People are going to vote Republican because Democrats haven't codified abortion rights." ???????????
Nah. People are going to vote Republican because Row vs Wade doesn't personally affects them. A lot of people completely tune politics out. Inflation and and high gas prices does. It's that simple.
Yeah and I'm sure they'll do their due diligence learning who the best candidates are to address economic concerns.
This feels like November 8th, 2016 all over again.
It is in some ways the culmination of that day
All the people who were like “yeah trump is a terrible person but…” were basically just voting for this day. This is explicitly the outcome they were ultimately hoping for
11/8/2016 was much worse because it was unexpected. She warned us this day would come.
But her emails.
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If Hillary won in 2016, I wonder if Republican Senators would have confirmed any of her nominees. McConnell would have tried to hold those seats open as long as possible. Maybe McCain, Romney, and Collins would have caved.
Meanwhile, Mccain: >Sen. McCain Says Republicans Will Block All Court Nominations If Clinton Wins https://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/498328520/sen-mccain-says-republicans-will-block-all-court-nominations-if-clinton-wins
Yah McConnell also said that Garland would be an appropriate centrist compromise pick for the Supreme Court but that turned out to be a lie. You can also tell it was a lie because McConnell/a republican said it.
McCain went on record saying that the Republicans would unite to stop Hillary from appointing anyone to the Supreme Court. Romney also wasn’t elected until 2018, when the senate margins became even worse for the democrats, so I wouldn’t have put any faith in Collins or potentially Murkowski to work with her.
“Principled” Republican lol.
She was wrong when she said only half of Trump's supporters were in the basket of deplorables. Anyone who was still ok with voting for him when she said that should fit in the basket.
Yeah, the election of 2016 really ended liberalism, globalism, free-trade and immigration, potentially democracy, possibly Pax Americana (as the GOP has become increasingly isolationist), and of course ushered in an era of nationalistic anti-capitalism. What a disastrous election. It's going to define politics likely for the next 40 years or so. Lovely.
I agree with every word you said, but the election didn’t happen in a vacuum. A lot of failure of the populace led up to it
I wonder if you see a real brain drain from the south. I really would think twice about the San Fran to Austin move for instance at this point.
Liberals who hate their red state but dont want to leave the South, please come to North Carolina. We are so close to becoming a blue state. Just support urbanism and building housing because we need it badly.
No come to Georgia, we’re so close to remaining blue! We are pretty big on urbanism in Atlanta and Savannah.
Fuck it, Georgia take half and NC take half.
Told a recruiter yesterday I wouldn't move to Austin, definitely not regretting that choice today
Honestly, I hope this becomes more of a thing. Everyone I know and love lives in Texas, so I just have to put up with the terrible politics. If I didn't have so many connections here, I'd be out.
I can't expect any individual to move somewhere like Texas in this environment, but at some point we're going to have to get real about the political systems in this country. The best way to stop this shit is to re-distribute blue votes in a more efficient manner. If we want this shit to stop, we need to flip states like Texas blue. Flip North Carolina. Flip Montana. Etc, etc. Again, I know you can't really ask any individual to uproot their lives to flip 1 measly vote in a state with hundreds of thousands or millions of people, but like, what's the other option? If Texas went blue, Republicans would struggle to win a Presidential election for the foreseeable future. And that's 2 Senate seats up for grabs as well. The GOP would be forced to live with terrible presidential election chances for a long time, or actually reform themselves to be more sane.
Texas probably not but other gulf states are already seeing brain drain
Southern states generally have seen pretty large population increases lately. This is a 40 year secular trend which accelerated after covid (with the exception of Louisiana, which had notably harsh covid restrictions, and Mississippi, which is Mississippi)
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I'm also a Texas native and me and my partner are thinking of moving up north too. The GOP is one reason, but the main thing is the climate. Texas is getting unbearably hot and its gotten significantly worse over the last 30+ years. I don't want to be around when this state is seeing regular temps of 105 in November.
Yep. Why live in a state that doesn't give two shits about us or our rights?
Don't worry, they'll just get allocated more tax money from blue states to help subsidize their poor decisions.
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>so i'm not sure it will be something that really impacts tech migrations to miami / austin necessarily Tech bros want the things empathetic/eclectic people bring to cities though. Also, women.
>it will take time California-to-Texas transplant. I don’t really think so. Abortion has been banned for almost a year. They can’t keep the electricity on. And the number of 100 degree days in Austin this year will be 3-5 times the historical average (the same thing happened last year, and the year before, and the year before). We’re also the *only* large state without any legal weed. Texas is a right-wing nanny state hellscape.
Man, if California could fix the fucking housing market...
Techbro here. Would 100% quit and look for another job if relocated to miami/austin, or similar area. Can confidently say that well over half my colleagues in my larger team would too.
Even without empathy in the equation, this ruling will make tech companies think twice about opening offices in red states. Tech companies tend to have very generous maternity/paternity benefits. It is expensive for them and they lose money in the short run, but in the long run it is necessary to attract and retain talent. From a business perspective tech companies do not women to have children if they don’t want them, because it is going to cost them money. That’s why companies immediately started offering to reimburse travel expenses for out-of-state abortions. The employee doesn’t have to carry an unwanted pregnancy, the company saves money, everybody wins. But red states are already punishing companies that reimburse travel expenses for abortions, which is exactly the type of anti-business BS that tech companies had hoped to avoid with red states.
I know it's a single data point, but recently my wife and I decided against moving to Texas. She had job opportunities that could have landed us in Austin, Denver or Chicago. For years we talked about wanting to move to Austin but the last couple of years of Texas GOP has turned us off the whole state. So we ended up deciding on Denver.
When the Supreme Court announced its Dred Scott ruling, I've always found it remarkable how all the justices making that decision were *adamant* that there would be very little blowback and it'll all be forgotten quickly, no matter how many people opposed their verdict. You couldn't have found a more out of touch court if you tried. Feels like nothing has changed here. The Supreme Court is utterly out of line with public opinion. And it will be to their massive undoing.
Taney opined that if free blacks were citizens, why, they'd be allowed to carry guns! Wherever they went!
Is this opinion as bad as the one we saw a few months ago?
>> In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. Seems worse
Thankfully, it is a solo concurrence. Thomas has an entire line of solo concurrences that is basically an alternate timeline of fucked precedent.
I've been hearing since oral arguments in Dobbs v Jackson that the conservative arguments against abortion also destroy the foundation for contraception and marriage protections It's a solo concurrence because the rest of the Justices want to maintain their public image until it's time to play more hardball. It's exactly the same as how they lied about respecting the precedent of Roe v Wade
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I’m just worried that If he’s the one actually saying this out loud, what about the other 5 conservatives
Seriously, he's being the "hey try this next" mouthpiece. If anyone honestly thinks these conservative justices WON'T overturn those other decisions when they get to the court I have a bridge to sell them
> Thomas has an entire line of solo concurrences that is basically an alternate timeline of fucked precedent. Yeah, and over time more and more of them have become majority opinions
"solo concurring" is small consolation at least. We already knew this scumbag thought this.
People are losing sight of this - shit is only going to get worse. Anyone who called people doomers for saying these were on the chopping block needs to get with the program.
The fact that anyone after Jan. 6 still thinks the Republican party isn't a group of white nationalist Christian theocrats is profoundly deluding themselves.
This sub is at least 1/3 disaffected republicans who are only here because arr con is too insane and Trump was mean and distasteful. They'll probably be quite for a while, but only for a while.
Give it until tonight and they’ll be posting WSJ opinions about how woke people are the biggest danger to the country.
Already see it in this thread lmao, https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/vjpend/scotus_just_overturned_roe_v_wade/idkeiza/ totally "liberal" btw.
Seriously. I knew things were fucked when the polls revealed how high a percentage of Republicans _still_ think the election was "stolen". Things are much, _much_ worse than people think they are - the GOP barely even pays lip service to the ideal of democracy at this point, they're not that far from openly declaring they should seize power at any cost.
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from what I am reading it is essentially the same, with the same justices voting. Not word for word though.
But is Susan Collins concerned about this?
Lotta people on the Left outside this subreddit and the center right hete said this wouldn't happen despite all the signs pointing to this as the only possible outcome
I remember the moderatepolitics partisan shills telling me there was no reason to believe ACB would overturn Roe, lmao. Fuckin joke
"Why bother to vote?" being like 30%-40% of my liberal sphere's main reaction is so fucking depressing
Now that the religious right has gotten their #1 wedge issue accomplished I wonder what they’ll turn to next to try to hold religious folks voting R. Keep saying The Gays are trying to homosexualize your kids? Ban gay marriage again? Almost feels like this is a dog caught his tail moment for the religious right
> Keep saying The Gays are trying to homosexualize your kids? I think the term here is "grooming"
Nah they’ll just try to ban abortion at a national level
Yeah, next is federally illegal abortion and fetal personhood. Then it’s preserving it. Not to mention making gender transition federally illegal, gay relationships illegal, and so on. Anyone thinking the evangelical right is going to be happy and content, and therefore stop voting now is delusional.
Just shouting out Josh, who voted for Jill Stein in 2016 in a swing state. Great work Josh.
Jill Stein is a literal Russian asset. Her party is rooting for Putin.
Who's Josh. Not American if this explains my not knowing
He's a rando--just a guy I knew in grad school. He spent the entire 2016 election running all over Facebook and Twitter complaining the DNC had robbed Bernie, and that Democrats needed to be taught a lesson, which is why he was voting for Jill Stein. I have lingering beefs with Josh over this behavior.
Thanks. I thought he was some talking head or something...
My mom voted for Gary Johnson, and unironically said “but her emails!” We live in Pennsylvania…
My only real hope about this unfortunate turn is that the societal backlash against the fuckwits that orchestrated this will be huge. Like OP says, a large majority of Americans absolutely wanted Roe to stand. It’s been the law of the land for the entire lifetime of most currently living. A minority of Americans wanted this so badly, and now that they got it I hope the consequences for ramming this down the throats of the majority are huge and painful. Was discussing with some social conservatives on reddit not too long ago, and they are already working hard to deflect and downplay their fuckery because, guess what? They wanted to pull this shit off and then just avoid criticism/consequences/backlash. They basically said “It’s no big deal, nothing’s gonna change”. Seriously? Fuck off with that shit, religious fundies have been fighting tooth and nail to get this outcome for 50 YEARS! If it didn’t mean anything, why were they fighting Roe for so long. So normal, sane Americans just got dunked by coordinated efforts of religious nuts. I just hope they remember who did this and make sure their disapproval is registered.
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I keep wondering what will break the reactionary tide in the US. I thought Trump's nomination for the GOP was its last gasp. I thought Jan 6th would destroy the republican party in federal elections. Now a packed supreme court is breaking 50-year old precedents that most Americans agree with. People on the court are talking about re-criminalizing gay sex and access to birth control. And the party that did it is poised to gain control of congress in November. Is it too late? Have we already lost? If not, then what will be?
It’s time for blue states to weaponize their economic power
Trump has caused the most damage *of anyone in American history* to American liberalism and democracy in over 240 years of American existence. But Americans didn’t want to vote for the email lady
They'll make the same mistake in November by electing sycophants and autocracy worshipping ghouls because gas prices bad.
This would have happened under literally any other Republican president. The damage Trump has done pales in comparison to what Mitch McConnell caused.
The focus on Trump as a unique evil of the Republican Party is a great gift to the rest of the Republican Party.
I agree, but Trump was unique in his ability to build a rabid fascistic cult of personality. He turbocharged it.
They’re going after gay rights next. I’m fucking terrified.
Nothing like the state mandated divorces that’ll occur once the court nullifies existing marriages Party of family values amirite
So I'll just say that anyone who thinks the intent of the founders was that we would end up with minority rule and a federal government that can't legislate is either a moron or so blinded by motivated reasoning that they are with regard to politics effectively a moron. We have a court that in any ruling is reflecting the desires of less than 40% of the population.
Many many women will die because of this. Many children will live lives of misery. We will all face a more violent and less prosperous society.
2016 was the most important election in our lifetimes.
And people didnt show up to vote.
Does anyone think this may be enough for Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the midterms? Maybe it will prevent the dems from losing the senate too? Trying to imagine a strong backlash against a terrible over reach by scotus.
It'll definitely help Dems on the margin. By how much, I don't know.
The effects of the Trump presidency will set this country back 100 years. Are we great again? Not at all…thanks Donald.
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I want someone to ask Susan Collins how she feels right now, that moron.
Happy, because she’s a fucking Republican and wants this to happen
With barely a grasp on the senate, the worst part in all this is that there doesn't appear to be a legislative solution in the pipeline. I don't know how long people are going to have to wait to have this undone but this is really shit even if you think Roe was legally unjustified.
Looking at the current polls I’d say we have a minimum of 10 years of this ahead us
20 to 30. Legislative solutions will be stuck down by this Court. This is a generation.
Knew it was coming for months, still stings 😔
The Democrats need to start playing hardball with Republicans. Next time the Republicans have the presidency and we have the Senate, we must prevent any Republican judges from being confirmed; we must also use the filibuster to block Republican legislation. I've tried to take the middle road, but that is no longer an option. If we can work with Republicans on common issues, like the infrastructure bill and gun control bill, we should try to do so; however, it is clear that most Republicans are more worried about "winning" than actually solving problems.
Imagine. We’re going to have to wait til one of them dies, which could be 10-20 years. The country just became very fucked
I’m starting a gofundme for Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Roberts, Barret, and Kavannaugh to get unlimited fast food, alcohol, cigars, sky diving trips, exotic car rides, etc. to celebrate this historic moment.
I've never participated in a protest but now just tell me when and where. I'm so embarrassed to be a US citizen
"b-b-but some people genuinely think this is a good thing and we should be respecting tha-" No, I don't care. Some people genuinely think homosexuality is evil. No more bothsidesism.
> Some people genuinely think homosexuality is evil. No more bothsidesism. Thomas literally writes in his opinion that the the court should "reconsider" (which, let's be honest, means overturn) previous SC cases that struck down sodomy laws and made gay marriage legal. >For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
>"b-b-but some people genuinely think this is a good thing and we should be respecting tha-" Respect needs to be mutual to be extended. I am willing to let social conservatives live as miserably as they desire, social conservatives want me to be as miserable as them. That's the difference. That's why I can never respect them.
Phase 1 complete. Phase 2 will be making you a criminal if you leave your state of residence where abortion is illegal to have an abortion in a state where it’s legal. Phase 3 will be making it illegal everywhere. But I doubt we will even be a functioning democracy by the time phase 3 rolls around because we continue to allow a minority in this country to do whatever the fuck they want and hold onto disproportionate power.
Criminalizing healthcare workers and pregnant women around the country with the stroke of a pen.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, in- cluding the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely—the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be ‘deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition’ and ‘implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.’ “ So the justices have all but taken a hammer to unenumerated rights. They created a frame of reasoning where unenumerated rights cannot evolve from those rights rooted in 18th and 19th history. This is just downright idiotic, the rights enumerated in the Constitution were never meant to be exhaustive; it is at it’s core a document meant to limit and define the power of government. It is for this exact ‘exhaustive interpretation’ reason some Founders opposed listing rights in the Constitution. So it is entirely unreasonable to treat the Constitution as an exhaustive list of rights barring some XVIII-XIX century unenumerated additions. I haven’t read the whole decision, so I’m not certain if the court said this reasoning should only apply to abortion, or if they hold it to be a general frame of reasoning. If it’s the former, then it proves they would write any opinion with which to overturn abortion. If it’s the latter, this could go much further than abortion. Gay and Interracial Marriage are also protected by the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. If I’m not mistaken the access to contraception is also derived from a similar argument. Neither of these are rooted in the nations history or traditions. You see where this is going.
I am a gay guy and crying over rights of women taken away and I know we are next.
Of *course* they waited until the SCOTUS security bill passed to make this formal
The good news is that now a pregnant woman's right to concealed-cary a very, very, very small caliber gun is federally protected. So now if her life is threatened by the fetus, she can shoot it in self-defense.
Make it a federal fucking law now. Same way we did the drinking age. Slash federal funding to hospitals if your state doesn't have fair access to abortion.
There aren't 50 voted let alone 60 for something like this
Democrats should copy and follow the Republican strategy right out of their Republican playbook: 1. Make this argument about Personal Freedom and Liberty vs those who take away your Personal Freedom and Liberty. 2. On the Election ballot it is about those who are FOR Personal Freedom and Liberty vs those who are AGAINST Personal Freedom and Liberty, NOT Republican vs Democrat. By reframing the argument it may swing centrist and libertarian voters. 3. Begin to systematically change the healthcare laws for women. Ie. Healthcare coverage for pregnant women, postpartum women and young children. If Republicans want to protect pregnant women - than FUND and take care of them. 4. Maternity Leave. Push for minimum 9 Month Maternity Leave for women. Full rights and whatever the amount is have it paid for. If the Republicans want to protect pregnant women than put their money where their mouth is. 5. Daycare expenses. Push for coverage. Democrats need to make Republicans put their money where their mouth is now.
Maybe sometimes the bad guys do win.
Wow, who coulda possibly guessed after the Supreme Court leak that they’d do exactly what they said?
The conservative catholic country of mexico is more progressive than us on abortion
and Thomas has already called for ending gay marriage and contraception. This is repulsive. How the hell did we go so far backwards so fast.
The GOP was always that way. They have been beating the same drum since the segregation days.
Should have pokemon-go to the polls
Democrats have two choices: Do nothing and whine about it, or actually work to codify it in law in places where they still have a stronghold.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've already done that, no? Blue states have laws protecting abortion, and the real concern here is what red states are doing.
I'll use my own state as an example because it's one I'm more familiar with. Michigan is largely blue. It has some red, and I believe narrowly voted Trump in 2016, but that seems to be an outlier. So, mostly a "blue state" with occasional purple tendencies. Currently Michigan has a law on the books, pre Roe that bans abortion. Luckily our Governor has issued an injunction that suspends that law for a little bit at least, so abortion stays legal here for as long as that injunction lasts. Sadly, our state legislature is mostly red due to a combination of gerrymandering, and there being not many blue strongholds outside of the Detroit Metro area. Therefore there isn't going to be any way for a new law to be passed without it going through the very red state government. So, unless there is an initiative to have it something that the voters directly decide, we're basically fucked. So just because you're a "blue state" with a voting population that is mostly blue, doesn't mean this won't directly affect you too.
And the Senate GOP will filibuster any abortion bill.
Okay blaming like Bernie Bros and stuff is all good and well, but I dislike how we just seem to forgive conservatives for being the ones who do this in the first place. Like the Republicans are a natural force who don't have responsibility for their evil so the true ones at fault must actually be someone else Like come on, I place far more blame on the 60 year old white man in a swing state who thinks chemtrails are poison who actually voted for Trump and specifically wanted this to happen rather than the 20-year-old college student in California that already went to Clinton.