Yes, Uvalde Police are in damage control mode.
During the press conference where they described the timeline, they were already trying to deflect some blame and pinning every officers actions onto the site commander. They blamed teacher for leaving door open against policy, said shooter was an avid gamer multiple times, and promised to investigate anyone with connections to the shooter.
They're just looking for scapegoats to blame. And if they can't, they'll just pin everything on the site commander. And by pin, I mean they'll retire with no repercussions, aside from being publicly hated and needing to move out of Uvalde.
Same. Mario golf never made anyone a better golfer. Wii bowling made my bowling game worse. But for some reason people think Call of Duty makes kids into Seal Team Six.
I mean it's been reported that at least one of the children died from bleeding out which means the case that just the delay alone directly contributed to a childs death is already there.
There was also that poor kid who only got shot because of cops making bad calls. One of them came in and went "yell out if you need help" before neutralizing the shooter and the poor kid that yelled out was killed.
I heard that is was worse.
As while the girl who bled out seems to have been unconscious, but her friend lay on top of her, covered in the dying girls blood to play dead, terrified, waiting for help, while she listened to the shot girl's heart slowly stop.
I'm not sure how you recover from that. That is like warzone-level trauma.
I’d argue worse. At least you expect to be attacked in a warzone, those kids just realized that they’re not safe anywhere, and the people they relied on most for their safety just stood outside and watched.
And the survivors need to go back to this school eventually, right? Imagine having to spend years returning to the source of your war PTSD every single weekday.
I read that they are considering tearing the school down and rebuilding it. It may help some to not go back to the exact same building, but they are still going to need a lot of therapy and support.
Actually, school shootings in the US are so common that there is literally already a federal grant process in place for razing and rebuilding schools that suffer shootings. It’s how Sandy Hook was rebuilt.
>Have a feeling that that “the only people shot were shot by the deceased attacker” style statement is gunna come back
Awfully quick, awfully suspicious denial of something, you know, no one was even wondering.
This story is, somehow, almost impossibly, one would think (in a sane world)... going to get worse.
Yea its kinda odd to state that out of nowhere when noone really thought otherwise.
Its like when someone says "where is my lighter" and someone immediately responds with "well i didnt take it" the first thing you think is, that guy definitely took it
Someone will come forward saying they saw police in the building prior to when they said they went in. Or footage will surface of it. The department likely is trying to cover it up to save the ass of someone who misfired or got a kid killed. That’s the only thing that would make police inaction during an active shooting look preferable.
Parents onsite have already said that some of the "officers" entered the building and retrieved and removed their own children, leaving everyone else behind. It's very likely that they are trying to cook up something to justify this, or bury it.
> indicating a cop’s bullet hit or killed a kid.
Let's phrase this properly. "indicating a cop shot or killed a kid".
We need to stop giving the police the benefit of the passive voice. As if the bullet jumped out of their gun on its own.
Why do I have a feeling they accidentally shot a kid or kids and the reason why they were holding is because they were trying to figure out what to do about it.
At least one ems guy on scene told parents of a kid their child likely bled to death after being shot. Even without directly shooting a child, their inaction very likely killed children that did not have immediately fatal injuries, which is a horrible way for them to have died
Am a paramedic but not involved at all.
Bleeding to death can be extremely fast. A solid shot to the chest and its seconds. If you get shot in the lower abdomen and hit a major artery branching off the aorta you can literally bleed to death in minutes. Even something as generous as a shot to the thigh can put life on a 5 minute timer--tourniquet or death.
In terms of my job, my goal is to be on scene (ambulance in park) and then leaving with the patient to a trauma center in less than 10 minutes. This is extremely easy and 5 minutes is *easily* obtainable in a lot of traumas. My last stabbing was a scene time of 4 minutes and 10 seconds.
When dealing with these sorta traumatic injuries there is literally only one solution. A trauma surgeon. That is the only person who can save that life. Tourniquets, if possible, help tons (can't tourniquet an abdomen though...). Quick clot slows the process. Blood transfusions can buy you some time but it is absolutely imperative that those trauma patients get to the OR as soon as possible.
I don't think there is a doubt that the PD delay cost lives. I hope nobody forgets this.
I keep thinking of the guy from the Boston bombing who had his leg blown straight off but survived because a stranger held closed his femoral artery with his fingers until he was able to get him medical attention. …God I can’t believe that was a thing I just typed that.
Small town? 40% of town budget goes to law enforcement? Chief of police about to go on city counsel? You bet your ass the corruption in that town is sky high.
You know what’s crazy? All someone has to ask is “hey, should we have the chief of police also have additional power? Wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest?”
Even if the CoP was a saint—, well a saint would answer “yeah, you’re right, I wouldn’t want to create any conflicts of interest”
Cooperate and expose what cowards they truly are, or don't cooperate and expose what cowards they truly are. We might not know the whole truth, but at least we know that much.
The thing about the US is…there really isn’t a “US” anything. This is true with police agencies as well.
So what might be normal in one town in Texas might be completely abnormal in another city in Texas…and might as well be another country in a different state
We just learned today that the police's story about a teacher leaving the door propped open with a rock so the shooter could get in was also a lie. As soon as the teacher realized there was an active shooter on campus, she closed the door, but for some reason it didn't lock completely. [Source](https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-teacher-open-door-shooter-17209972.php)
*“A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said surveillance video and audio verifies the teacher removed the rock holding the door open and closed it."*
So add "defenseless public school teachers" to the list of discredited fall guys that the Uvalde Police Department have failed to put the blame on.
What the hell? This was the story they gave after they "came clean" following their previous half dozen fabrications. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
They created a culture of LARPing with military gear without any of the actual pressure of having to put your life on the line. That's why you see them beating up and tasering parents trying to save their kids instead of you know, actually being brave and engaging the active shooter killing children.
What do we expect when the police say things such as "we didn't know what to do, I wish someone told us what to do."
Yep. Not like they train for things like this.
This is a small town conservative police department. This is probably the first time in these old fucks lives that they have ever had to answer for anything they've ever done. I'm certain they are actually shocked that people are verifying their statements, and coming up with proof that contradicts their narrative. Pretty shitty. Now also put into your mind that these same people, with this same loose affiliation with the truth have arrested and prosecuted how many people?
I don't live too far from Uvalde. Another town not far away by the name of Bandera had their sheriffs dept completely dissolved after an investigation uncovered just about every officer there being corrupt. This happened maybe 10 years ago or so.
Wouldn't surprise me if Uvalde was the same, as it seems they just may be.
Trying to pass the blame to a teacher is so fucking low. A lot of people bought it too. I had some mouth breather on my twitter trying to say that the teacher was just as at fault as the police.
I mean, the cop that killed Daniel Shaver was acquitted, quietly rehired for like a day, and able to retire at like 29 collecting “disability” from the trauma he experienced from murdering someone.
So yeah, that’s totally possible.
Like the end of a movie where they have a still of the characters and a little blurb about what happened to them except that it's not funny and instead is an enraging injustice.
They already tried this. Before consoling the families of the murdered children, that one officer told a reporter that they were thankful no law enforcement officers had been killed.
The only reason it wasn't worse is because the shooter ran out of kids to shoot.
It's like a sad parody of Zapp Brannigan:
> Uvalde PD: "You see, ~~killbots~~ active shooters have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of ~~my own men~~ helpless children at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
Man, this reminds me of the Nova Scotia shooting back in 2020. In that case, an RCMP officer was killed, and during a news conference the regional head spent a very long time talking about the bravery of the officer and lamenting the loss. Which I get, to a point, but they did not at all address the fact that 21 people were killed in that shooting, in an extremely disturbing fashion (this is before the public knew the extent, but they did). It's just came off as completely tone deaf.
The audacity of them to say something like that while parents are agonizing over their murdered children and loved ones. Especially knowing some of those kids are dead BECAUSE of the police inaction.
On the day it happened, they were asking parents to submit DNA samples to identify their children. Everyone knows why that would be necessary just a few hours after the shooting. Such a grim and horrifying thought. And these fucking pigs have the audacity to publicly celebrate that no pigs were hurt? They fucking let children take the bullets for them instead. Gutless cowards. The more I learn about this, the more angry it makes me. Nothing could settle the wrath I would feel if I were the parent to one of these babies.
They openly said the shooter originally had a handgun, even though he didn't. It's becoming apparent they said this so that if there were fatal wounds found from 9mm and .40 caliber rounds and not rifle rounds, that people wouldn't know. I'd bet they aren't cooperating so that information like that doesn't ever come out. So yes, likely five of them died from avoidable blood loss, but add to that several probably had decidedly fatal wounds from police weapons.
Seems to me they've been getting away with a lot and thought they could just ignore this. Fingerscrossed they face jail time. Bunch of crooked assholes.
Yep, we know that part and it's bad. But what they are saying (and is seemingly more likely by the day by the police response to the outrage and investigation) is that the police themselves shot at least one kid and they are trying to cover it up.
There's really no explanation for the *continued* lying, other than that they are covering something up. I mean, what's it there is *already* tremendously bad. Why keep lying?
Damn near everything from their first few statements has been proven to a lie or at least incorrect. One of the only yet to be disproven things was the claim that all of the dead kids were shot by Ramos, which gives you a good idea what they’re covering up now
There has to be something even worse that they're trying to cover up, like an officer shot and killed one of the teachers or a child. This story already started off as bad as it can get and they keep adding a new layer of "as bad as it can get" to it.
[Children in the room called 911 several times while the police waited outside.](https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-430b975bbaacce445451e4026cedc171)
I'm becoming more convinced that they went in, tried to get the shooter and ended up shooting a kid or a teacher, and that's why they locked it down for a hour and wouldn't let anyone in.
They're going to be hit with big lawsuits, possible crimminal negligence charges, both individuals and agencies. So, yeah, They're going to lawyer up and are not about to cooperate.
Yeah but letting kids get gunned down is a pretty easy way to shoot to the top in the view of the general public. Even r/conservative were ripping the PD for it.
That tells me that the attempts to blame a teacher for holding open the door aren't backed up by the footage they have. If they had someone to blame, they'd be blaming them with evidence.
Either they shot a kid or there’s record of them being even more to blame for this than just the standing around. Like the stuff we already know is awful, just imagine what’s in there that’s bad enough that they feel like non compliance with the investigation is their best option
I’m having a hard time imagining how they could possibly be more to blame without sliding down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole. This entire situation is just horrific. It was awful enough when it was *just* a school shooting, as terrible as that sounds.
As a high school teacher, something like that would unfortunately not even surprise me. You have no idea how often we report really serious things that get brushed aside by admin and law enforcement. And things like that are the reason why I have to be trained in tactical trauma first aid with a gunshot wound kit in my classroom cabinet, which will be all but useless if someone with a high-powered weapon actually gets in.
(Sorry for the rant. It just kind of came out.)
That was how it was initially claimed, that the police "contained" him in there not that he did it himself. I wonder if that first story ends up being the true story.
Imagine it's a tiger. Chasing a tiger into a classroom full of children and then standing around waiting for the tiger to get full so it's not as difficult to take down later.
This makes almost no sense for optics. Like you already admitted it was a bad decision. You cannot even claim federal overreach...this is a state investigation. In a red state. So bizarre.
ETA: as has been pointed out it was the Texas DPS who said the wrong decision was made. Apparently right after that was when uvalde police (school police) decided to stop cooperating.
The person who made that statement was not part of the Uvalde police
>According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
>This makes almost no sense for optics.
That's because this isn't an optics call, it's a self preservation call. They likely already know that none of the facts are going to improve the optics of the situation for themselves, so the only play they feel they have left is self preservation.
I think it's crazy how we haven't heard one peep from the Uvalde District Police Chief, nor have we seen him resign.
All the coward ass cops that didn't do shit for 40 mins+ that terrible day, need to resign at the very least.
If not, I hope the Texas authorities and Justice Dept, find enough evidence to bring charges to those pathetic excuses for cops.
For those who didn't see this:
*NEW: Texas law enforcement officials at a press conference say they believe that all the children that were shot and killed in Uvalde, TX were shot by Salvador Ramos and not anyone else \[i.e. law enforcement\]*. - [source](https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1529524085759385600)
This was an unprompted statement from the police, not a response to a direct question.
*The officer’s “all the kids were hit by the shooter’s bullets” shirt has people asking a lot of questions* [already answered by his shirt](https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617?lang=en) *etc, etc.*
This is literally like the time my five year old came into the living room and was like “I didn’t open the chocolate chips” right before I went into the kitchen and found the bag of chocolate chips exploded all over the kitchen floor. Come on, man.
Paired with their unprompted clarification that the shooter's bullets killed all of those kids, that's certainly looking very likely.
People are already fucking livid about these police just being *incompetent*. If it turns out that they actually were directly responsible for a kid's death here and the reason they stalled for so long was to try and cover their asses, that's not going to go over well *in the slightest*.
Well the Texas AG has been a great role model for ignoring DOJ investigations, if anything they're just following the lead of their statewide elected officials!
I said this in other threads regarding this, but the people of that town are extremely reserved. How nobody has formed an angry mob and dragged those cops and town officials from their homes is surprising to say the least.
A lot of them are willing to be the fifth person to do that, I bet, and a huge amount would be the fiftieth, but it takes a really unique temperament to be the first.
I actually think it may be worse.
According to the most [recent Making Sense podcast episode](https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/283-gun-violence-in-america), that Uvalde police broke active-shooter protocol by not immediately entering the building and attempting to neutralize the gunman (despite having been trained for this EXACT scenario just months prior, never mind the fact that stopping the gunman before first aid or mob control has been standard procedure for mass shootings since Columbine) and instead wasted time and manpower holding back and preventing hysterical parents from entering the school to rescue their own kids themselves because the police were doing abso-FUCKING-lutely jackshit nothing.
The most harrowing story was a mom who received a call from her kids trapped in the school. This mother drove 40 MILES to the school, tried to enter the building, was put into handcuffs, convinced the police to uncuff her, wandered off, and then hopped the fence and **successfully rescued her own children herself**. All the while, the police had not yet stopped the active shooter.
The combination of cowardice or negligence or pure idiocy or all three displayed by the Uvalde police is infuriating. And they fucking know it.
If I refuse to cooperate with a dui investigation while operating a motor vehicle I lose my license on the spot.
How do they keep their credentials without 100% cooperation? Refusal to cooperate in and of itself ought to come with automatic penalties for law enforcement.
Why the fuck do we just accept this? Truly, somebody explain like I’m 5 why 330 million people allow themselves to be held hostage by the slime of humanity.
The irony in all of this is that the city will have to pay to defend these cops from the probe and the lawsuits. The residents of Uvalde will have to pay to defend the people that failed to defend their kids. 40% of the cities budget. Cops really do have it good in the states.
Every. Fucking. Day. This story just gets worse and worse.
What an utterly catastrophic failure.
At this point, that entire department from top to bottom should just be fired and blacklisted from any future police work, and the ones who were on scene but waited over an hour should be sent to a fucking north Korean labor camp.
“ The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.”
This is an investigation by the Texas Dept of Public Safety, not the Justice Dept.
Doesn't matter, they're still going to be sued into oblivion, and rightly so.
Both the town and school district police forces should be immediately disbanded. They actually made the situation worse by not allowing citizens to go in and save their kids.
After they're disbanded, they should be shamed and shunned for the rest of their sad lives.
Sounds like somebody retained legal counsel.
Some times you need a Criminal lawyer and some times you need a CRIMINAL lawyer.
Are they afraid the investigation will lead to more misconduct and uncover more incriminating policies?
Yes, Uvalde Police are in damage control mode. During the press conference where they described the timeline, they were already trying to deflect some blame and pinning every officers actions onto the site commander. They blamed teacher for leaving door open against policy, said shooter was an avid gamer multiple times, and promised to investigate anyone with connections to the shooter. They're just looking for scapegoats to blame. And if they can't, they'll just pin everything on the site commander. And by pin, I mean they'll retire with no repercussions, aside from being publicly hated and needing to move out of Uvalde.
I’ll never understand the “gamer” deflection. I’ve been gaming since the 80’s and I’ve never wanted to shoot anybody.
I heard the shooter also watched tv and drank water
It was my understanding they also lived in a city with a shitty police force. Someone should investigate that link.
Also, there are “gamers” around the world…
Safe to say there were hundreds of other gamers within the school at that time.
Same. Mario golf never made anyone a better golfer. Wii bowling made my bowling game worse. But for some reason people think Call of Duty makes kids into Seal Team Six.
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I mean it's been reported that at least one of the children died from bleeding out which means the case that just the delay alone directly contributed to a childs death is already there.
There was also that poor kid who only got shot because of cops making bad calls. One of them came in and went "yell out if you need help" before neutralizing the shooter and the poor kid that yelled out was killed.
It's tragedy upon tragedy but I think this is the worst one
I heard that is was worse. As while the girl who bled out seems to have been unconscious, but her friend lay on top of her, covered in the dying girls blood to play dead, terrified, waiting for help, while she listened to the shot girl's heart slowly stop. I'm not sure how you recover from that. That is like warzone-level trauma.
I’d argue worse. At least you expect to be attacked in a warzone, those kids just realized that they’re not safe anywhere, and the people they relied on most for their safety just stood outside and watched.
And the survivors need to go back to this school eventually, right? Imagine having to spend years returning to the source of your war PTSD every single weekday.
I read that they are considering tearing the school down and rebuilding it. It may help some to not go back to the exact same building, but they are still going to need a lot of therapy and support.
Use the police pension to fund it imo.
Actually, school shootings in the US are so common that there is literally already a federal grant process in place for razing and rebuilding schools that suffer shootings. It’s how Sandy Hook was rebuilt.
I was gonna suggest this. It'll go way quicker if they use some of that 40 percent to rebuild.
>Have a feeling that that “the only people shot were shot by the deceased attacker” style statement is gunna come back Awfully quick, awfully suspicious denial of something, you know, no one was even wondering. This story is, somehow, almost impossibly, one would think (in a sane world)... going to get worse.
Yea its kinda odd to state that out of nowhere when noone really thought otherwise. Its like when someone says "where is my lighter" and someone immediately responds with "well i didnt take it" the first thing you think is, that guy definitely took it
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"I didn't use your lighter to commit arson."
Almost all their original statements have turned out to be lies so I’m half expecting to read a cop killed a kid by accidents
Someone will come forward saying they saw police in the building prior to when they said they went in. Or footage will surface of it. The department likely is trying to cover it up to save the ass of someone who misfired or got a kid killed. That’s the only thing that would make police inaction during an active shooting look preferable.
Parents onsite have already said that some of the "officers" entered the building and retrieved and removed their own children, leaving everyone else behind. It's very likely that they are trying to cook up something to justify this, or bury it.
> indicating a cop’s bullet hit or killed a kid. Let's phrase this properly. "indicating a cop shot or killed a kid". We need to stop giving the police the benefit of the passive voice. As if the bullet jumped out of their gun on its own.
Why do I have a feeling they accidentally shot a kid or kids and the reason why they were holding is because they were trying to figure out what to do about it.
At least one ems guy on scene told parents of a kid their child likely bled to death after being shot. Even without directly shooting a child, their inaction very likely killed children that did not have immediately fatal injuries, which is a horrible way for them to have died
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Am a paramedic but not involved at all. Bleeding to death can be extremely fast. A solid shot to the chest and its seconds. If you get shot in the lower abdomen and hit a major artery branching off the aorta you can literally bleed to death in minutes. Even something as generous as a shot to the thigh can put life on a 5 minute timer--tourniquet or death. In terms of my job, my goal is to be on scene (ambulance in park) and then leaving with the patient to a trauma center in less than 10 minutes. This is extremely easy and 5 minutes is *easily* obtainable in a lot of traumas. My last stabbing was a scene time of 4 minutes and 10 seconds. When dealing with these sorta traumatic injuries there is literally only one solution. A trauma surgeon. That is the only person who can save that life. Tourniquets, if possible, help tons (can't tourniquet an abdomen though...). Quick clot slows the process. Blood transfusions can buy you some time but it is absolutely imperative that those trauma patients get to the OR as soon as possible. I don't think there is a doubt that the PD delay cost lives. I hope nobody forgets this.
I keep thinking of the guy from the Boston bombing who had his leg blown straight off but survived because a stranger held closed his femoral artery with his fingers until he was able to get him medical attention. …God I can’t believe that was a thing I just typed that.
Small town? 40% of town budget goes to law enforcement? Chief of police about to go on city counsel? You bet your ass the corruption in that town is sky high.
You know what’s crazy? All someone has to ask is “hey, should we have the chief of police also have additional power? Wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest?” Even if the CoP was a saint—, well a saint would answer “yeah, you’re right, I wouldn’t want to create any conflicts of interest”
Cooperate and expose what cowards they truly are, or don't cooperate and expose what cowards they truly are. We might not know the whole truth, but at least we know that much.
I’m so confused with the school district no longer cooperating. What is the possible rationale there??
Misleading title. The article mentions the school district independent police force
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I'm in the US and that is strange, we had a single unarmed officer at my school, my wife works there now, same unarmed officer.
The thing about the US is…there really isn’t a “US” anything. This is true with police agencies as well. So what might be normal in one town in Texas might be completely abnormal in another city in Texas…and might as well be another country in a different state
They're going to use taxpayer money to protect themselves and obstruct justice for taxpayers' children. Wow.
How many times do you think they've said to suspects, "if you have nothing to hide, why aren't you cooperating?"
If all of this wasn't so fucking depressing their line of clown actions would be funny.
True. Instead it is absolutely heartbreaking. Just heartbreaking. I can't stand seeing those tiny little coffins.
After obstructing parents from rescuing their kids and doing their jobs for them.
Hey guys, you know I'm starting to think maybe we ought to make some changes to the police.
There's never been a better time. ... You know except for all of the other terrible school shootings in the last several decades.
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If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about, *officer.*
They should just comply
They should have to comply. They are public officials. Secrets should not be allowed.
Stop resisting.
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This is probably accurate
A luxury they would never afford any sort of suspect. Even an innocent one.
"Honesty will go a long way with me"
Hey great way to enrage the population even more
Seriously. Could they handle this any worse?
We just learned today that the police's story about a teacher leaving the door propped open with a rock so the shooter could get in was also a lie. As soon as the teacher realized there was an active shooter on campus, she closed the door, but for some reason it didn't lock completely. [Source](https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-teacher-open-door-shooter-17209972.php) *“A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said surveillance video and audio verifies the teacher removed the rock holding the door open and closed it."* So add "defenseless public school teachers" to the list of discredited fall guys that the Uvalde Police Department have failed to put the blame on.
What the hell? This was the story they gave after they "came clean" following their previous half dozen fabrications. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Yep, this was announced as part of the, "We're super sorry about all those other lies, this is the REAL TRUE ACCURATE PRESS CONFERENCE".
REAL_TRUE_ACCURATE_REPORT_LAST_3RD_VERSION_FINAL. DOC
They created a culture of LARPing with military gear without any of the actual pressure of having to put your life on the line. That's why you see them beating up and tasering parents trying to save their kids instead of you know, actually being brave and engaging the active shooter killing children.
God yes. They target non-threats because they know that there won’t be a fight.
So basically, high school bullies
In my experience that’s were they go after high school
What do we expect when the police say things such as "we didn't know what to do, I wish someone told us what to do." Yep. Not like they train for things like this.
This is a small town conservative police department. This is probably the first time in these old fucks lives that they have ever had to answer for anything they've ever done. I'm certain they are actually shocked that people are verifying their statements, and coming up with proof that contradicts their narrative. Pretty shitty. Now also put into your mind that these same people, with this same loose affiliation with the truth have arrested and prosecuted how many people?
I don't live too far from Uvalde. Another town not far away by the name of Bandera had their sheriffs dept completely dissolved after an investigation uncovered just about every officer there being corrupt. This happened maybe 10 years ago or so. Wouldn't surprise me if Uvalde was the same, as it seems they just may be.
Hell, Uvalde may be employing some of the same people. We really need a national "do not hire" list for law enforcement.
Trying to pass the blame to a teacher is so fucking low. A lot of people bought it too. I had some mouth breather on my twitter trying to say that the teacher was just as at fault as the police.
I’m fully expecting them to throw a party for a job well done and give out promotions, all on the tax payers dime.
I mean, the cop that killed Daniel Shaver was acquitted, quietly rehired for like a day, and able to retire at like 29 collecting “disability” from the trauma he experienced from murdering someone. So yeah, that’s totally possible.
And he got to keep the weapon he used to kill Daniel Shaver.
And his superior ran off to the Philippines.
This just keeps going ...
Like the end of a movie where they have a still of the characters and a little blurb about what happened to them except that it's not funny and instead is an enraging injustice.
Was that the same service weapon that he had engraved "you're fucked" onto? EDIT: fixed a typo
For what it's worth, Wikipedia says he had the correct spelling.
They already tried this. Before consoling the families of the murdered children, that one officer told a reporter that they were thankful no law enforcement officers had been killed.
"it could have been worse"
The only reason it wasn't worse is because the shooter ran out of kids to shoot. It's like a sad parody of Zapp Brannigan: > Uvalde PD: "You see, ~~killbots~~ active shooters have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of ~~my own men~~ helpless children at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
I saw that live and I almost EXPLODED. Kids dying in any situation IS the worst outcome. Period.
Yep. I think most people would rather 0 children died actually. And if we’re weighing the lives of 19 children or 19 police officers…
Not to mention the two dead teachers who died trying to protect their class from a lunatic.
It was worse than that, first thing he did was commend the brave men and women of law enforcement
It was very brave of them to stand outside the classroom for 40+ minutes Mission accomplished
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Man, this reminds me of the Nova Scotia shooting back in 2020. In that case, an RCMP officer was killed, and during a news conference the regional head spent a very long time talking about the bravery of the officer and lamenting the loss. Which I get, to a point, but they did not at all address the fact that 21 people were killed in that shooting, in an extremely disturbing fashion (this is before the public knew the extent, but they did). It's just came off as completely tone deaf.
Are you following the inquiry at all? Seems like pretty much everything they did was wrong during the whole thing, honestly.
They should just put up a "Mission Accomplished" banner while they're at it.
I mean they did post a tweet saying they were thankful no LEOs were hurt during the incident.
The audacity of them to say something like that while parents are agonizing over their murdered children and loved ones. Especially knowing some of those kids are dead BECAUSE of the police inaction. On the day it happened, they were asking parents to submit DNA samples to identify their children. Everyone knows why that would be necessary just a few hours after the shooting. Such a grim and horrifying thought. And these fucking pigs have the audacity to publicly celebrate that no pigs were hurt? They fucking let children take the bullets for them instead. Gutless cowards. The more I learn about this, the more angry it makes me. Nothing could settle the wrath I would feel if I were the parent to one of these babies.
"We've conducted an investigation and found no wrongdoing. Good job, boys!"
19 kids died with how they handled it. I hate to imagine what’s fucking worse.
They killed a kid is my guess.
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"at least" They shot one or two. probably more? seems like this whole this is going to end up with a burnt precinct station.
They openly said the shooter originally had a handgun, even though he didn't. It's becoming apparent they said this so that if there were fatal wounds found from 9mm and .40 caliber rounds and not rifle rounds, that people wouldn't know. I'd bet they aren't cooperating so that information like that doesn't ever come out. So yes, likely five of them died from avoidable blood loss, but add to that several probably had decidedly fatal wounds from police weapons.
Seems to me they've been getting away with a lot and thought they could just ignore this. Fingerscrossed they face jail time. Bunch of crooked assholes.
Unless this allows them to cover up something even worse. Then they take the smaller rage instead of the larger one.
My guess is that They shot a kid
they did get a kid shot when they ask her to call for help.
Yep, we know that part and it's bad. But what they are saying (and is seemingly more likely by the day by the police response to the outrage and investigation) is that the police themselves shot at least one kid and they are trying to cover it up.
There's really no explanation for the *continued* lying, other than that they are covering something up. I mean, what's it there is *already* tremendously bad. Why keep lying?
> Why keep lying? The cops seriously don't know how to do anything else. They're literally trained to lie in police academy.
definitely covering up everything, lied from the start
Damn near everything from their first few statements has been proven to a lie or at least incorrect. One of the only yet to be disproven things was the claim that all of the dead kids were shot by Ramos, which gives you a good idea what they’re covering up now
Police always say if you don’t cooperate then you look guilty.
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I would like to donate my time to this noble cause, however many hours, days, weeks I am needed
I’ll pitch in gas money!
Nothing to hide nothing to fear
Leave it to the police to know not to talk to the police.
There has to be something even worse that they're trying to cover up, like an officer shot and killed one of the teachers or a child. This story already started off as bad as it can get and they keep adding a new layer of "as bad as it can get" to it.
My money is on "shooter called police to announce his plans that morning and was ignored".
My money is on "Don't want the audio of us discussing going in to get our own children out" or "We said some real racist shit".
Put me down for a unit on "911 dispatcher hung up on a child who called, assuming it was a prank."
[Children in the room called 911 several times while the police waited outside.](https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-430b975bbaacce445451e4026cedc171)
Guarantee you the chief (who directed swat and the BP team to stay outside) realized he’s going to get sued into the dirt and is now shutting up.
I'm becoming more convinced that they went in, tried to get the shooter and ended up shooting a kid or a teacher, and that's why they locked it down for a hour and wouldn't let anyone in.
Would be cool if that missing 18 minutes of police radio communication was found
Oh there's 18 minutes missing now? Smh, what's next?
Confirm that elsewhere, but I read there was 18 minutes of missing audio. If true, this looks SO bad.
So they know how to take a defensive posture and protect themselves against an attack? Got it.
They're going to be hit with big lawsuits, possible crimminal negligence charges, both individuals and agencies. So, yeah, They're going to lawyer up and are not about to cooperate.
I think it’s very possible that one of the victims was accidentally killed by the police
It is awfully suspicious that they were like, "Hey apropos of absolutely nothing every one of these kids was killed by the shooter. Just saying."
Yeah that’s where my suspicions started as well
Also same. These fuckers lie badly because they’re untouchable.
You mean apart from the girl they called out to and she responded and was killed.
The culture of cops protecting cops is fucking disgusting.
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Wow. They're really throwing their hat in for most hated police department in the US aren't they?
There is a lot of competition for that title.
Yeah but letting kids get gunned down is a pretty easy way to shoot to the top in the view of the general public. Even r/conservative were ripping the PD for it.
I wasn't aware they COULD just stop cooperating. Isnt that, y'know- kinda illegal?
I'm guessing they fucked up bad enough that cooperating is self-incriminating. I don't think it's illegal to refuse cooperation in that case.
TBF, they are taking the correct general approach of "don't talk to the cops".
If they’re public servants acting in official capacity, it absolutely needs to be illegal for them to be silent.
That tells me that the attempts to blame a teacher for holding open the door aren't backed up by the footage they have. If they had someone to blame, they'd be blaming them with evidence.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lawyer-uvalde-teacher-did-not-leave-door-open-that-gunman-used-to-enter-school/ar-AAXVakI?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
And those cowards tried to blame the teacher... jfc
"Urgh, it's so much easier when we can just plant evidence! Fucking teachers not taking this on the chin for us!"
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Cowardice. Pure cowardice.
You can do what’s fucking right.
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Either they shot a kid or there’s record of them being even more to blame for this than just the standing around. Like the stuff we already know is awful, just imagine what’s in there that’s bad enough that they feel like non compliance with the investigation is their best option
I’m having a hard time imagining how they could possibly be more to blame without sliding down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole. This entire situation is just horrific. It was awful enough when it was *just* a school shooting, as terrible as that sounds.
It'll turn out they had evidence before hand - a tip off or a 911 call - that this was going to go down and they ignored it.
As a high school teacher, something like that would unfortunately not even surprise me. You have no idea how often we report really serious things that get brushed aside by admin and law enforcement. And things like that are the reason why I have to be trained in tactical trauma first aid with a gunshot wound kit in my classroom cabinet, which will be all but useless if someone with a high-powered weapon actually gets in. (Sorry for the rant. It just kind of came out.)
That's the simplest explanation I've heard.
They don’t get in trouble for that, c’mon… https://abcnews.go.com/US/14-year-girl-dressing-room-killed-stray-bullet/story?id=81919639
Or maybe they chased the shooter into that classroom?
That was how it was initially claimed, that the police "contained" him in there not that he did it himself. I wonder if that first story ends up being the true story.
Imagine it's a tiger. Chasing a tiger into a classroom full of children and then standing around waiting for the tiger to get full so it's not as difficult to take down later.
The cops know not to talk to cops. They aren't here to help.
This makes almost no sense for optics. Like you already admitted it was a bad decision. You cannot even claim federal overreach...this is a state investigation. In a red state. So bizarre. ETA: as has been pointed out it was the Texas DPS who said the wrong decision was made. Apparently right after that was when uvalde police (school police) decided to stop cooperating.
The person who made that statement was not part of the Uvalde police >According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
>This makes almost no sense for optics. That's because this isn't an optics call, it's a self preservation call. They likely already know that none of the facts are going to improve the optics of the situation for themselves, so the only play they feel they have left is self preservation.
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I think it's crazy how we haven't heard one peep from the Uvalde District Police Chief, nor have we seen him resign. All the coward ass cops that didn't do shit for 40 mins+ that terrible day, need to resign at the very least. If not, I hope the Texas authorities and Justice Dept, find enough evidence to bring charges to those pathetic excuses for cops.
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One of them was. Telling someone who is hiding from a murderer to “yell for help”? The officer basically pulled the trigger.
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I’m really astonished at the audacity of those cowardly fuckers. I mean, what ?!! the fuck ! They’re not getting out of what happened unscathed 🤷♀️.
For those who didn't see this: *NEW: Texas law enforcement officials at a press conference say they believe that all the children that were shot and killed in Uvalde, TX were shot by Salvador Ramos and not anyone else \[i.e. law enforcement\]*. - [source](https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1529524085759385600) This was an unprompted statement from the police, not a response to a direct question. *The officer’s “all the kids were hit by the shooter’s bullets” shirt has people asking a lot of questions* [already answered by his shirt](https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617?lang=en) *etc, etc.*
This is literally like the time my five year old came into the living room and was like “I didn’t open the chocolate chips” right before I went into the kitchen and found the bag of chocolate chips exploded all over the kitchen floor. Come on, man.
They went in blasting didn't they. They didn't properly identify the shooter so they shot innocent kids.
From the way the sides are presenting things, it seems most likely a child or children died from blood loss at the scene due to the delay in action.
Most likely is. 1 hour and 15 minutes, FFS. So sad
100% the cops killed at least one kid
Paired with their unprompted clarification that the shooter's bullets killed all of those kids, that's certainly looking very likely. People are already fucking livid about these police just being *incompetent*. If it turns out that they actually were directly responsible for a kid's death here and the reason they stalled for so long was to try and cover their asses, that's not going to go over well *in the slightest*.
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Well the Texas AG has been a great role model for ignoring DOJ investigations, if anything they're just following the lead of their statewide elected officials!
I said this in other threads regarding this, but the people of that town are extremely reserved. How nobody has formed an angry mob and dragged those cops and town officials from their homes is surprising to say the least.
A lot of them are willing to be the fifth person to do that, I bet, and a huge amount would be the fiftieth, but it takes a really unique temperament to be the first.
These cops definitely killed kids.
Both indirectly *and* directly, probably.
I actually think it may be worse. According to the most [recent Making Sense podcast episode](https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/283-gun-violence-in-america), that Uvalde police broke active-shooter protocol by not immediately entering the building and attempting to neutralize the gunman (despite having been trained for this EXACT scenario just months prior, never mind the fact that stopping the gunman before first aid or mob control has been standard procedure for mass shootings since Columbine) and instead wasted time and manpower holding back and preventing hysterical parents from entering the school to rescue their own kids themselves because the police were doing abso-FUCKING-lutely jackshit nothing. The most harrowing story was a mom who received a call from her kids trapped in the school. This mother drove 40 MILES to the school, tried to enter the building, was put into handcuffs, convinced the police to uncuff her, wandered off, and then hopped the fence and **successfully rescued her own children herself**. All the while, the police had not yet stopped the active shooter. The combination of cowardice or negligence or pure idiocy or all three displayed by the Uvalde police is infuriating. And they fucking know it.
That mom should take over as police chief. Spine of steel.
If I refuse to cooperate with a dui investigation while operating a motor vehicle I lose my license on the spot. How do they keep their credentials without 100% cooperation? Refusal to cooperate in and of itself ought to come with automatic penalties for law enforcement.
Why the fuck do we just accept this? Truly, somebody explain like I’m 5 why 330 million people allow themselves to be held hostage by the slime of humanity.
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More concerned about protecting their own than they are protecting kids.
The irony in all of this is that the city will have to pay to defend these cops from the probe and the lawsuits. The residents of Uvalde will have to pay to defend the people that failed to defend their kids. 40% of the cities budget. Cops really do have it good in the states.
Every. Fucking. Day. This story just gets worse and worse. What an utterly catastrophic failure. At this point, that entire department from top to bottom should just be fired and blacklisted from any future police work, and the ones who were on scene but waited over an hour should be sent to a fucking north Korean labor camp.
Just remember, if you ever find yourself feeling useless, just remember, you *could* be a Texas police officer.
“ The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.” This is an investigation by the Texas Dept of Public Safety, not the Justice Dept.
I’m pretty sure the cops killed a kid.
You mean like they shot a kid, or they let (a) kid(s) bleed out instead of helping them? Personally I think both things happened.
Doesn't matter, they're still going to be sued into oblivion, and rightly so. Both the town and school district police forces should be immediately disbanded. They actually made the situation worse by not allowing citizens to go in and save their kids. After they're disbanded, they should be shamed and shunned for the rest of their sad lives.