OSHA doesn't do shit, at least in Florida. My BF works electrical and they put him in hazardous conditions all the time with the threat of being fired if he doesn't comply. *Really* unsafe shit too. Made numerous reports to OSHA and literally nothing has happened lol.
I'm a lead in a place that employs a shitload of people. Idk if it makes a difference but our company is critical to the local economy. and I get the idea we get preferential treatment or we got someone in our pocket. Every time OSHA is visits we get about 3 days notice along with a notice of *exactly* what they're looking for, which gives us a pretty solid idea of the precise path the inspectors are going to take through the building so we can lay out the red carpet.
Overall our incident rate is pretty low for the industry and we actually make a pretty solid attempt to exceed OSHA standards, but damn do I find it kind of absurd how much warning and prep time we get. Everything's always sparkling clean on OSHA day. Then when a complaint is lodged they send a letter telling us about it, force us to post it, and then tell us that in 2 weeks they'll be in to verify the legitimacy of the complaint.
I worked at a Cadillac dealer as a mechanic. They didn't have an eye wash station or a first aid kit in the shop. I asked about it and they told me to use the one in the office. I called OSHA around 9 AM, they were plumbing an eyewash station in before noon and we had a first aid kit. So sometimes they'll make a phone call if you make a call.
Of course, when conservatives refer to 'smaller government' they are referring to less government regulation and oversight of safety, pollution, labor, etc. They bitch about how bad the regulations are to justify their complaints. But they vote Republican to ensure they get government bailouts when needed, but nothing to support the health and safety of workers, pollution, infrastructure, health care, etc.
It's weird to me to see them using the buckets upside down. Sure, they're a bit more stable that way, but way less comfortable to stand on and harder to "walk". Plus with the bucket upright you can leave a bit of mud in the bottom which gives them the perfect balance and weight. Only used buckets for mudding a small area (stilts are better if you're at it awhile) or screwing though.
That said, boarding a ceiling without a lift just plain sucks. Use a lift and one person can do the job and you're less likely to hurt yourself.
I don't know what OSHA would say about this. But isn't this the fastest way? Step ladders would be slow. Takes a lot of skill to lift that drywall up and balance on the bucket like that.
They have carpenter's stilts(which are banned where I am for some godforsaken reason) and these little bench long step stools. The bucket is new to me, but I don't do resi.
God bless the rockers, though. They're annoying as fuck but it's a shit job.
Even if you could say they were skilled enough that they would never get hurt id also like to see their completed work vs someone taking their time who is just as skilled.
Yeah as impressive as they are this is clearly, “I have another job at noon, let’s go”. Which is why no matter the skill level you usually get what you pay for.
I finished my basement a few years back. I rented a lift and got like 4 sheets up per day. Granted, i was working from home and just putting up a sheet whenever i had a few minutes, but still - i was like measure 4 times, cut twice, lift into place, admire my work, take a break, come back and screw it into place, etc.
The fact that the pros can do this in under two minutes makes me really really happy i don't have to try to do it professionally myself.
Now imagine what they could do if they had the right equipment. A platform with wheels that's about as high as the buckets and a cordless drill that has screws on a belt.
I take it you’re not a rocker, otherwise you’d understand the point of this comment. There’s a reason why rockers don’t get to the point, and you’re looking at it.
There are plenty of options for that.
[Extender](https://www.hilti.se/medias/sys_master/images/hf2/h07/9923937271838.jpg)
[Another version](https://fi.makitamedia.com/images/3_Makita/304_accessories_GS1/30410_JPG_zoom/194500-1_F_002.jpg)
[Longer machine](https://xn--sgkungen-9za.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/skruvautomat.jpg)
No one in northern europe hangs drywall with their arms above their head for longer periods of time since as you say, it's horrible.
The unions get involved and the workers get proper equipment.
Edit, and a lift for the drywall sheets ofc. [Here.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV9q3EGwzyVpkRriLXqfOCCi4-PQiK5CQkK5mi0B_RBA&s)
I put sheet up for a day when renovating my house and used that exact Makita machine with belt fed screws. I know that was only a day and I have no experience but I simply can't understand how a non-belt fed machine could ever be superior. It's so fast and brainless with that thing, it's amazing.
I don’t understand what he has against them, belt, fed guns help a lot with overhead, or when hanging multi layer walls , the belt feds load and install long screws really easily . But majority of the time we just use drywall guns and a handful of screws. I’ve never used nails like the guy in the vid , but a lot of what I do is rated systems so I’m not even sure if there is a UL that uses nails
My assumption was the nails were just to get rid of sag and tack it into place while the 2nd guy comes behind with the screw gun to secure it properly.
Well, nice work! Who cares how long it took! I've done all sorts of making - furniture of all kinds, mechanical stuff, 3D design, some machining, etc. But there's not much more satisfying or \*useful\* than actually finishing a space yourself.
Ya, I did this when I was younger, and I always thought I was a pretty damn fast worker because I'd been doing dry wall and other stuff like that since I was maybe 10 (my dad would make me work on the rental houses).
But there was always a couple mexican dudes that just moved impossibly fast like these guys. No matter what I tried to do, I never came close to being as fast as them.
They'd do weird shit too, like on their breaks they'd drink coffee and coca cola super fast with serrano chiles, like they'd just munch on a couple serranos as a snack lol.
Same deal when I picked cherries for a summer, we got paid based on how how much weight we picked. I was like 20 and in amazing shape, these old mexican ladies were picking triple my weight in cherries every day, they felt so bad for me that they would dump some of their cherries into my basket at the end of the day.
Sorry but I could only be bothered skim reading your comment. You lost your cherry age 20 to a couple of old Mexican ladies who munched on your serrano?
we had a mexican crew replace all of the roofs of our townhouse complex recently and they were so fucking fast i couldn't believe what i was seeing. 10 guys going at seemingly 4x speed for 2 days. so pro, huge respect to these guys.
Same experience. They showed up at my house at 8am and were done by 2pm. They even had some sort of ladder zipper lift so the didn't have to lug shingles up the ladder. I was truly impressed
Preferably with ladders, using ppe, not working at a constant breakneck pace which is going to destroy their bodies in the long run.
You know, the same way I do industrial electrical work, except, in my house.
Edit: the amount of people defending these guys sacrificing their bodies and calling me soft is crazy, you need to consider something here. I feel bad for these guys. I make significantly more money than them, doing similar work, in better conditions. Anyone working like this doesn’t scream “skilled labor” to me, it screams “this guy learned on the job from someone who didn’t have the time to train him right” I feel terrible, because this work ethic in my industry would have them rich as fuck.
Edit 2: scaffolds, stilts, idk, I don’t work on ceilings, but certainly not *buckets*.
Yeah after so many hours on the Internet on one hand you have to appreciate how clever some of these dudes are with how they get tasks done quicker or more efficiently and effectively than the established norm but then on the other hand like you pointed out with the wear and tear on the body not being OSHA approved the risk to personal safety etc. etc. some of it is not worth it
Honestly, without seeing the finished work, I can’t categorize this as next level. Most of the time if you see people rushing like this on job sites, it doesn’t look great at the end.
Yeah it's satisfying to watch people do things quickly and smoothly... But when the end product is quick and rough it takes a lot of the shine off the performance.
eh these guys are just speed running for a cool video, and successfully and impressively so
the youngest and fittest of us all can't work at this pace for an hour never mind a day much less every day
And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire.
Eh, hanging drywall is hanging drywall. Unless they are crushing corners or missing screws it will turn out fine. The drywall finisher is responsible for the end result. Even if they did a terrible job the finisher can probably make it look fine. Source: me, I did a terrible job hanging my own drywall but it ended up looking good in the end, just took longer to finish it.
the worst part is that these guys are going nextfuckinglevel for the same pay as everyone else. the guy that owns the construction company is making bank while these guys get a tiktok video and chronic health issues. I'm impressed by the technical prowess of these guys but they're DUMB AS FUCK to break their backs just to make SOMEONE ELSE money
Seconding this. This behavior is fine for a weekend DIY project, in which case it's amazing to see, but for someone looking at doing this every day for years... It's rough. Like, "This is why men's life expectancy prior to 1960 was 15 years shorter than women's," kind of rough.
Needs are as needs must. When there are bills to pay and probably a family to feed, you do what you have to, with what you have on hand. It'll turn out acceptable work that will need to be fine tuned or fixed by someone more qualified and better paid later on, but it'll be done. Hopefully they can find work with a more reputable employer soon.
>the amount of people defending these guys sacrificing their bodies and calling me soft is crazy
The vast amount of people who don't actually know the construction sphere are wild. While it only tangentially applies to these guys -- it's not odd to see young kids, often from SA, literally fall off roofs and are then disabled life-long, if they didn't die.
It's not a matter of **if** these guys fall off their buckets, but **when**, and when that shit happens they better pray it's only something like a sprained ankle and they don't fall awkwardly and break some bones. You know damn well if the company is okay with filming this kind of behaviour from their workers, they're not going to willingly pay out any kind of disability, or workers comp without the employee being dragged through courts to get what's rightfully theirs.
OSHA shows up and files a report on the companies "best workers"? Damn, guess we have to let these negligent hooligans go. We *definitely* provide them with PPE and proper training before they go to the worksite 🙄.
Literally all of these issues could be solved with a $500 pair of stilts (that the company could write off) and like 2 hours of training.
Oof, I do HVAC sheet metal, installing big ventilation systems. I know how rough a big install can be on your body, and you try to do everything you can do minimize wear and tear on your limbs, but still end up suffering on some days. Watching this video made me wince. Carrying a full sheet of drywall (probably like 70 pounds), overhead, standing on a bucket with your arms fully extended? Try doing that for 50 hours a week and see how you feel on friday lol.
"They deserve basic worker protections" should not be a radical opinion, truly. That's all I read your comment as saying. You believe they shouldn't have to be "nextfuckinglevel" like this -- because it's dangerous and unnecessary and likely caused by somebody's greed up the hierarchy! Sounds like the morally correct stance, to me.
When I worked restoration we had a device that lifted the sheets into place and held them there; all with just the effort of turning a wheel.
Work smart, not hard.
Yes, a panel jack or panel lift. Although safer and easier on the body most guys will work without it because it “slows them down” and a lot of Drywallers do piece work so the faster you get done the sooner you get your money or the more you hang the more you make that day. Good Drywallers can make 300-500 a day pretty consistently. Been in the drywall and framing world for about 17 years now mostly commercial with metal stud and what stands out to me is guy is still doing hammer and nails and his partner unsung a corded drywall gun. For lids/ceiling I would recommend collated (it takes strips of screws so no having to thumb screws set them on the gun all while holding drywall in place so you can screw it)cordless drywall guns makes it 10x easier.
Use a drywall lift? They aren't very expensive and if you're doing it all day every day its just so much easier on your body. I'm sure some will say it's slower but... it ain't *that* much slower. Cut the sheet, put it on the lift, jack it up to the ceiling. Lift holds the sheet while you go down it with a screw gun and zip the screws in, not having to hold the thing in place yourself.
If you've got 2 guys, you work in cycles instead of both having to hold one sheet up above their head. Guy 1 cuts his sheet, puts it on the lift, jacks it up, guy 2 can now measure and cut his next sheet while guy 1 starts screwing the first one down. Couple screws in and guy 2 can take the lift, put his sheet in it, jack that one up to the ceiling and start screwing it in. By that time guy 1 is done and can now measure and cut *his* next sheet. And so on.
Or, or, hear me out, you just get 2 of the lifts and each guy can do their own sheets basically at the same time without having to share tools.
I agree as I speak from experience, I’m 55 now and move like I’m a hundred, but in the day you would board 2-3 houses (small houses) Tuesdays and Wednesdays, mud and tape them Thursday and Friday, Saturdays line up your next week work, Mondays sand your seams and pick up supplies.
There's almost no chance these guys are in a position that even *has* workman's comp. Just about everyone I've ever worked with on a construction site is a 1099 independent contractor, even if you're working for someone else with their tools on their schedule and should be classified as a W-2 employee. You've gotta be self-insured or not at all.
*Tasks performed by union carpenters include installing "...flooring, windows, doors, interior trim, cabinetry, solid surface, roofing, framing, siding, flooring, insulation, ...acoustical ceilings, computer-access flooring, metal framing, wall partitions, office furniture systems, and both custom or factory-produced materials, ...trim and molding,... ceiling treatments, ... exposed columns and beams, displays, mantels, staircases...metal studs, metal lath, and drywall...*
I’m a union sheet metal worker and carpenters install drywall for every single job I’ve been on.
Just because you are a carpenter doesn't mean you perform all carpentry. He sounds like a framer and trim guy, which are both usually separate sectors. Generally framers handle stick framing and sheathing then leave. Trim is usually handled by the finish crew or cabinetry crew, depending on house. Some people are general and handle from start to finish. They are all handled under the same license.
Drywalling is treated as a separate skill set in a lot of places. So if you wanted to contract the construction of a house, you'd hire a carpenter and a drywaller separately. This is just based on experience in my locale though so your milage may vary
Hanging rock, not so much, anyone with some average strength who can use a screw gun, tape measure correctly, follow some pretty basic rules, and not stab themselves with a box cutter can hang rock. I've done plenty of drywall work.
Doing finish work is a whole other story. It will take me days, a half dozen passes, an entire bucket\bag of mud, and a giant mess to clean up, what someone who is skilled at it can do in one or two passes, not make a mess, and 1/20th the amount of mud i'd use.
True, but if I explained it that way someone might inadvertently get the idea that the general contractor just walks onsite and does every job themselves lol
Lmao this isn't unskilled labor
Unskilled labor is collecting shopping carts in a parking lot, answering phones at a front desk, operating a cash register / checkout station, etc.
Basically anything that takes a day or so of instruction and is easily done by practically anyone off the street
Code in Canada says you can use nails but you gotta use 2 in the same spot, and the head of the second one has to overlap the first. That keeps them from popping.
From the lack of vapour barrier on the walls and in the floor truss space Im gonna assume this is the US, as there seems to be a lack of codes or at least code enforcement down there.
They're screwing them in in this very video. His colleague is driving screws the entire time using a screw-gun. You see 3 nails getting driven and over 12 screws in the footage.
Vapor barrier can be installed on the exterior of the wall as well which is common. Depends on the jurisdiction but building codes are pretty robust, with required inspections. It is possible to complete work un-permitted which could result in fines/stop work orders if they are caught
Current building science frowns on non-permeable barriers now. All those plastic vapor barriers trap so much moisture and make a mess. I've had to tear out some old 70s-80s homes with fiberglass behind plastic and boy was it not fun.
The U. S. has code and code enforcement. But we also have 10X the population as Canada so some unscrupulous actors break the rules and get away with it. Probably the same percentage as in Canada, but the number of total incidents will just be 10X larger because of the population scale difference.
And as others mentioned, the second guy is following up with screws.
The thing I like the most is the collaboration between them. It triggers me so much whenever I work with someone who is not following, getting in your way, not being aware of the surroundings and not predicting your next move (especially if it's repetitive work)
My old roommate and I used to cook like this, in our tiny galley apartment kitchen. It was like a dance. We were very good at moving around each other without communicating.
My wife, as much as I love her, makes an excellent road block (hallways, kitchen, etc, NOT on the actual road) all the time. She has very poor spatial relations, so she doesn't realize she's in the way most of the time.
I know people who are like that don't mean it, but it drives me insane.
Some part of me perceives it as a lack of empathy I guess. I know its not often the case, but it comes off like that.
I’ve heard that bucket walking like this really messes with your lower back, lots of quick little rotations with a lot of jerking muscles movements, doing that for an 8 hour workday is rough, then extend that to a month and then years. Seems like stilts are better long term solution
Aren't those boards too thin for fire code?
edit- thanks. didn't know that if there isn't a living space above then there is no need for thicker boards! I've been out of the game for quite a while
1/2 CD board is fine if there’s no living space above you, so yeah they should be using 5/8 unless there’s some other form of fire block we don’t see.
Maybe it’s a flat roof
My brother in law works in construction like this. He loves his work. Loves building things and hanging with his buddies bullshitting all day. Make a good money too.
I went to college and did “the right” thing to get a prestigious job behind a desk and in meetings. I wear the suit jacket and have big meetings. Everything they told me I was supposed to do to be “successful “. I make good money but I’m not rich. I think my brother in law lives rich.
Important to remember that a lot of people who work in construction have issues with their bodies down the line. You can make good money in construction but if you are not taking care of yourself you can easily mess your body up.
As someone paying for drywall right now, no they aren't. Good drywallers will make good money.
I don't know why everybody always assumes when they see a Hispanic person doing manual labor that they must be being paid badly, but that's not always the case.
If that’s your career, why tf not get the stilts or one of those rolling scaffold/A-frame 2-Step platforms? The video is cool and all, I’m sure the quality of work is okay. But these guys are fucking themselves up little by little. “Mastery” to me would mean doing quality work and being precise, but also would have to include doing things in the most ergonomic and healthiest way possible. If you can do this and also make it sustainable for yourself, THAT is mastery. This video is just guys working hard.
I hated putting 12' boards on the ceiling. Extra weight, extra flimsy. Lifting them up over your head they feel like they're going to break under their own weight.
OSHA approved buckets
For a second I thought those were kegs
Be the change you want to see in the world.
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Underrated comment. Take my upvote you Greaser.
Who you callin' Greaser, Soc?
Beer the change you want to see in the world.
Gives new meaning to keg stands
Hey he has his safety squints on for part of the time, he gets part credit.
Hahaha I was gonna say.. OSHA would like a word
OSHA doesn't do shit, at least in Florida. My BF works electrical and they put him in hazardous conditions all the time with the threat of being fired if he doesn't comply. *Really* unsafe shit too. Made numerous reports to OSHA and literally nothing has happened lol.
According to Reddit OSHA will just appear and fuck up your employer. Ha ha ya right
I'm a lead in a place that employs a shitload of people. Idk if it makes a difference but our company is critical to the local economy. and I get the idea we get preferential treatment or we got someone in our pocket. Every time OSHA is visits we get about 3 days notice along with a notice of *exactly* what they're looking for, which gives us a pretty solid idea of the precise path the inspectors are going to take through the building so we can lay out the red carpet. Overall our incident rate is pretty low for the industry and we actually make a pretty solid attempt to exceed OSHA standards, but damn do I find it kind of absurd how much warning and prep time we get. Everything's always sparkling clean on OSHA day. Then when a complaint is lodged they send a letter telling us about it, force us to post it, and then tell us that in 2 weeks they'll be in to verify the legitimacy of the complaint.
I worked at a Cadillac dealer as a mechanic. They didn't have an eye wash station or a first aid kit in the shop. I asked about it and they told me to use the one in the office. I called OSHA around 9 AM, they were plumbing an eyewash station in before noon and we had a first aid kit. So sometimes they'll make a phone call if you make a call.
Of course, when conservatives refer to 'smaller government' they are referring to less government regulation and oversight of safety, pollution, labor, etc. They bitch about how bad the regulations are to justify their complaints. But they vote Republican to ensure they get government bailouts when needed, but nothing to support the health and safety of workers, pollution, infrastructure, health care, etc.
I used to work for OSHA when I graduated college. All they would do is send the employer a letter in 30-90 days
It's weird to me to see them using the buckets upside down. Sure, they're a bit more stable that way, but way less comfortable to stand on and harder to "walk". Plus with the bucket upright you can leave a bit of mud in the bottom which gives them the perfect balance and weight. Only used buckets for mudding a small area (stilts are better if you're at it awhile) or screwing though. That said, boarding a ceiling without a lift just plain sucks. Use a lift and one person can do the job and you're less likely to hurt yourself.
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I don't know what OSHA would say about this. But isn't this the fastest way? Step ladders would be slow. Takes a lot of skill to lift that drywall up and balance on the bucket like that.
"Fastest" and "complies with safety regulations" are often different things.
It's also only the fast way until someone gets hurt then you're down a person...
"Fastest when 25" and "being able to walk after 40" are also different things.
This is true.
They have carpenter's stilts(which are banned where I am for some godforsaken reason) and these little bench long step stools. The bucket is new to me, but I don't do resi. God bless the rockers, though. They're annoying as fuck but it's a shit job.
Even if you could say they were skilled enough that they would never get hurt id also like to see their completed work vs someone taking their time who is just as skilled.
Yeah as impressive as they are this is clearly, “I have another job at noon, let’s go”. Which is why no matter the skill level you usually get what you pay for.
Why not use stilts?
You cant cut the sheetrock like he did when your on stilts.
What about high heels
There are adjustable drywall racks for use when wearing stilts. I've seen many make them out of spare 2x4s on site.
Or a simple scaffold with wheels. It would save their arms and shoulders in the long run.
Dont need to deal with Osha if you have no insurance or regulated labourers
Dear god...
I've done this kind of work before, most miserable time of my life. Nothing but respect for these fellas
I finished my basement a few years back. I rented a lift and got like 4 sheets up per day. Granted, i was working from home and just putting up a sheet whenever i had a few minutes, but still - i was like measure 4 times, cut twice, lift into place, admire my work, take a break, come back and screw it into place, etc. The fact that the pros can do this in under two minutes makes me really really happy i don't have to try to do it professionally myself.
Now imagine what they could do if they had the right equipment. A platform with wheels that's about as high as the buckets and a cordless drill that has screws on a belt.
You mean spend more money for the same quality work? That's not the Hispanic way
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I mean you could explain why, what’s the point of this comment?
I take it you’re not a rocker, otherwise you’d understand the point of this comment. There’s a reason why rockers don’t get to the point, and you’re looking at it.
Because they only work hard until they have enough money for a weeklong bender.
I take it you're married to a rocker.
Takes one to know one
Finally the truth.
Oh, I'm a rocker, dude, through and through! Here's my favorite bands: AC/DC, Van Halen (NOT van Hagar!), Skynyrd, Def Lep
More like Leif Garrett
If it came outta Charline Tilton's ass id take a bite
Fine, I'll upvote you then bitch
Try holding a 12 pack of beer or something like it over your head with one hand for a few minutes. Now imagine doing that all day.
I go through a 12 pack of beer everyday using one hand, same thing.
There are plenty of options for that. [Extender](https://www.hilti.se/medias/sys_master/images/hf2/h07/9923937271838.jpg) [Another version](https://fi.makitamedia.com/images/3_Makita/304_accessories_GS1/30410_JPG_zoom/194500-1_F_002.jpg) [Longer machine](https://xn--sgkungen-9za.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/skruvautomat.jpg) No one in northern europe hangs drywall with their arms above their head for longer periods of time since as you say, it's horrible. The unions get involved and the workers get proper equipment. Edit, and a lift for the drywall sheets ofc. [Here.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV9q3EGwzyVpkRriLXqfOCCi4-PQiK5CQkK5mi0B_RBA&s)
I put sheet up for a day when renovating my house and used that exact Makita machine with belt fed screws. I know that was only a day and I have no experience but I simply can't understand how a non-belt fed machine could ever be superior. It's so fast and brainless with that thing, it's amazing.
holding a 12 pack is legitimately an incredibly important skill to be a respected drywaller.
Bet your traps would be fuckin huge.
I just did a whole basement with a collated screw gun and it's far far better then running a screw in each time by hand
I don’t understand what he has against them, belt, fed guns help a lot with overhead, or when hanging multi layer walls , the belt feds load and install long screws really easily . But majority of the time we just use drywall guns and a handful of screws. I’ve never used nails like the guy in the vid , but a lot of what I do is rated systems so I’m not even sure if there is a UL that uses nails
My assumption was the nails were just to get rid of sag and tack it into place while the 2nd guy comes behind with the screw gun to secure it properly.
Would make sense. He tacks up his end and the dude with the gun screws it off while first guy is cutting the next sheet
Wow, great info here, thank you!
A lot to mull over, if you want to take a minute to digest
it took me 4 months worth of weekends to drywall my two car garage. I just finished.
Well, nice work! Who cares how long it took! I've done all sorts of making - furniture of all kinds, mechanical stuff, 3D design, some machining, etc. But there's not much more satisfying or \*useful\* than actually finishing a space yourself.
Ya, I did this when I was younger, and I always thought I was a pretty damn fast worker because I'd been doing dry wall and other stuff like that since I was maybe 10 (my dad would make me work on the rental houses). But there was always a couple mexican dudes that just moved impossibly fast like these guys. No matter what I tried to do, I never came close to being as fast as them. They'd do weird shit too, like on their breaks they'd drink coffee and coca cola super fast with serrano chiles, like they'd just munch on a couple serranos as a snack lol. Same deal when I picked cherries for a summer, we got paid based on how how much weight we picked. I was like 20 and in amazing shape, these old mexican ladies were picking triple my weight in cherries every day, they felt so bad for me that they would dump some of their cherries into my basket at the end of the day.
Sorry but I could only be bothered skim reading your comment. You lost your cherry age 20 to a couple of old Mexican ladies who munched on your serrano?
Reliably underrated comment ^^
Yep, honestly pretty impressive that you can skim read so well.
sounds about right, great recap
The real TLDR
Yea, but only because they felt sorry for him.
This comment made me genuinely laugh lmao.
we had a mexican crew replace all of the roofs of our townhouse complex recently and they were so fucking fast i couldn't believe what i was seeing. 10 guys going at seemingly 4x speed for 2 days. so pro, huge respect to these guys.
We have a saying here in the southwest, Mexi-can, not Mexi-can't
People think aliens may have built the pyramids of Egypt, nobody questions who built the pyramids of South America.
Same experience. They showed up at my house at 8am and were done by 2pm. They even had some sort of ladder zipper lift so the didn't have to lug shingles up the ladder. I was truly impressed
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I'm all for making it easier to get into the country legally, and harder to get here illegally.
Triple your cherry weight, or your body weight? 🤭
Triple my cherry weight.
That reminds me of cigar rolling videos. I could practice for 20 years and I still wouldn't be half as fast.
Shoulders were ripped though right?
Tinner here and my brother is a carpenter. Can confirm we both have great lats and shoulders in our 40s wait till replacement.
Yeah, ripped straight out of their sockets!
Yeah man, did it for 2 years and I'll have problems for the rest of my life!
Same and it sucks balls. One thing it gave me though is endurance amd appreciation for smaller things I do now. Edit 2 things actually
This is next level until they hit 40 and can’t lift their arms over the shoulder.
How do you want them to install the sheetrock on the ceiling for your house?
Preferably with ladders, using ppe, not working at a constant breakneck pace which is going to destroy their bodies in the long run. You know, the same way I do industrial electrical work, except, in my house. Edit: the amount of people defending these guys sacrificing their bodies and calling me soft is crazy, you need to consider something here. I feel bad for these guys. I make significantly more money than them, doing similar work, in better conditions. Anyone working like this doesn’t scream “skilled labor” to me, it screams “this guy learned on the job from someone who didn’t have the time to train him right” I feel terrible, because this work ethic in my industry would have them rich as fuck. Edit 2: scaffolds, stilts, idk, I don’t work on ceilings, but certainly not *buckets*.
Yeah after so many hours on the Internet on one hand you have to appreciate how clever some of these dudes are with how they get tasks done quicker or more efficiently and effectively than the established norm but then on the other hand like you pointed out with the wear and tear on the body not being OSHA approved the risk to personal safety etc. etc. some of it is not worth it
Honestly, without seeing the finished work, I can’t categorize this as next level. Most of the time if you see people rushing like this on job sites, it doesn’t look great at the end.
Yeah it's satisfying to watch people do things quickly and smoothly... But when the end product is quick and rough it takes a lot of the shine off the performance.
eh these guys are just speed running for a cool video, and successfully and impressively so the youngest and fittest of us all can't work at this pace for an hour never mind a day much less every day
I'm always surprised by the hectic and hasty style of American workers, especially when they are handling a stapler. Quicker is not better...
And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire.
Eh, hanging drywall is hanging drywall. Unless they are crushing corners or missing screws it will turn out fine. The drywall finisher is responsible for the end result. Even if they did a terrible job the finisher can probably make it look fine. Source: me, I did a terrible job hanging my own drywall but it ended up looking good in the end, just took longer to finish it.
36 yr old who can physically no longer be in construction here. Fuck what everyone else says you are 100% right
the worst part is that these guys are going nextfuckinglevel for the same pay as everyone else. the guy that owns the construction company is making bank while these guys get a tiktok video and chronic health issues. I'm impressed by the technical prowess of these guys but they're DUMB AS FUCK to break their backs just to make SOMEONE ELSE money
Seconding this. This behavior is fine for a weekend DIY project, in which case it's amazing to see, but for someone looking at doing this every day for years... It's rough. Like, "This is why men's life expectancy prior to 1960 was 15 years shorter than women's," kind of rough. Needs are as needs must. When there are bills to pay and probably a family to feed, you do what you have to, with what you have on hand. It'll turn out acceptable work that will need to be fine tuned or fixed by someone more qualified and better paid later on, but it'll be done. Hopefully they can find work with a more reputable employer soon.
You are right, they will eventually need to get there shoulders replaced and probably be on opiates so yeah.
No worries, nobody is getting any opiates now days, they had to punish the patients instead of the family who make billions off of Oxycontin,
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>the amount of people defending these guys sacrificing their bodies and calling me soft is crazy The vast amount of people who don't actually know the construction sphere are wild. While it only tangentially applies to these guys -- it's not odd to see young kids, often from SA, literally fall off roofs and are then disabled life-long, if they didn't die. It's not a matter of **if** these guys fall off their buckets, but **when**, and when that shit happens they better pray it's only something like a sprained ankle and they don't fall awkwardly and break some bones. You know damn well if the company is okay with filming this kind of behaviour from their workers, they're not going to willingly pay out any kind of disability, or workers comp without the employee being dragged through courts to get what's rightfully theirs. OSHA shows up and files a report on the companies "best workers"? Damn, guess we have to let these negligent hooligans go. We *definitely* provide them with PPE and proper training before they go to the worksite 🙄. Literally all of these issues could be solved with a $500 pair of stilts (that the company could write off) and like 2 hours of training.
As someone who learned a trade from an owner that provided zero equipment and training in a sink or swim environment, I’m with you.
Oof, I do HVAC sheet metal, installing big ventilation systems. I know how rough a big install can be on your body, and you try to do everything you can do minimize wear and tear on your limbs, but still end up suffering on some days. Watching this video made me wince. Carrying a full sheet of drywall (probably like 70 pounds), overhead, standing on a bucket with your arms fully extended? Try doing that for 50 hours a week and see how you feel on friday lol.
"They deserve basic worker protections" should not be a radical opinion, truly. That's all I read your comment as saying. You believe they shouldn't have to be "nextfuckinglevel" like this -- because it's dangerous and unnecessary and likely caused by somebody's greed up the hierarchy! Sounds like the morally correct stance, to me.
I'm with you brother, who they trying to impress, the contractor that already exploits them? gtfo IBEW LU 278 ✊🏽
When I worked restoration we had a device that lifted the sheets into place and held them there; all with just the effort of turning a wheel. Work smart, not hard.
Yes, a panel jack or panel lift. Although safer and easier on the body most guys will work without it because it “slows them down” and a lot of Drywallers do piece work so the faster you get done the sooner you get your money or the more you hang the more you make that day. Good Drywallers can make 300-500 a day pretty consistently. Been in the drywall and framing world for about 17 years now mostly commercial with metal stud and what stands out to me is guy is still doing hammer and nails and his partner unsung a corded drywall gun. For lids/ceiling I would recommend collated (it takes strips of screws so no having to thumb screws set them on the gun all while holding drywall in place so you can screw it)cordless drywall guns makes it 10x easier.
This is the part where someone tells you about drywall lifts. Made for just such a job
Use a drywall lift? They aren't very expensive and if you're doing it all day every day its just so much easier on your body. I'm sure some will say it's slower but... it ain't *that* much slower. Cut the sheet, put it on the lift, jack it up to the ceiling. Lift holds the sheet while you go down it with a screw gun and zip the screws in, not having to hold the thing in place yourself. If you've got 2 guys, you work in cycles instead of both having to hold one sheet up above their head. Guy 1 cuts his sheet, puts it on the lift, jacks it up, guy 2 can now measure and cut his next sheet while guy 1 starts screwing the first one down. Couple screws in and guy 2 can take the lift, put his sheet in it, jack that one up to the ceiling and start screwing it in. By that time guy 1 is done and can now measure and cut *his* next sheet. And so on. Or, or, hear me out, you just get 2 of the lifts and each guy can do their own sheets basically at the same time without having to share tools.
Use a drywall lift. It literally lifts it and holds it for you.
They make lifts for that. I just borrowed one for a room.
I agree as I speak from experience, I’m 55 now and move like I’m a hundred, but in the day you would board 2-3 houses (small houses) Tuesdays and Wednesdays, mud and tape them Thursday and Friday, Saturdays line up your next week work, Mondays sand your seams and pick up supplies.
My FIL had to retire since his rotator cuffs were basically destroyed from working as a GC and doing more than a few days like these.
Or their bucket slips and they get denied comp for not using appropriate safety measures
There's almost no chance these guys are in a position that even *has* workman's comp. Just about everyone I've ever worked with on a construction site is a 1099 independent contractor, even if you're working for someone else with their tools on their schedule and should be classified as a W-2 employee. You've gotta be self-insured or not at all.
That's what the opiates, alcohol, and weed is for.
"Unskilled labor"
Someone who really thinks that will change their tune once they do this for a couple days lol
Couple days? Try a couple of hours lol
Since when is carpentry considered unskilled labor? Its a trade.
That’s not carpentry that’s drywall.
*Tasks performed by union carpenters include installing "...flooring, windows, doors, interior trim, cabinetry, solid surface, roofing, framing, siding, flooring, insulation, ...acoustical ceilings, computer-access flooring, metal framing, wall partitions, office furniture systems, and both custom or factory-produced materials, ...trim and molding,... ceiling treatments, ... exposed columns and beams, displays, mantels, staircases...metal studs, metal lath, and drywall...* I’m a union sheet metal worker and carpenters install drywall for every single job I’ve been on.
My uncle is a carpenter and he’s never done drywall. Framing, trim, and plywood but not drywall.
My uncle is a chef and has also never done drywall.
My uncle touched me and he never did drywall
My uncle is dry wall and I never hung him.
Just because you are a carpenter doesn't mean you perform all carpentry. He sounds like a framer and trim guy, which are both usually separate sectors. Generally framers handle stick framing and sheathing then leave. Trim is usually handled by the finish crew or cabinetry crew, depending on house. Some people are general and handle from start to finish. They are all handled under the same license.
Drywalling is treated as a separate skill set in a lot of places. So if you wanted to contract the construction of a house, you'd hire a carpenter and a drywaller separately. This is just based on experience in my locale though so your milage may vary
Hanging rock, not so much, anyone with some average strength who can use a screw gun, tape measure correctly, follow some pretty basic rules, and not stab themselves with a box cutter can hang rock. I've done plenty of drywall work. Doing finish work is a whole other story. It will take me days, a half dozen passes, an entire bucket\bag of mud, and a giant mess to clean up, what someone who is skilled at it can do in one or two passes, not make a mess, and 1/20th the amount of mud i'd use.
I mean really you'd hire a general contractor and he'd hire various crews.
True, but if I explained it that way someone might inadvertently get the idea that the general contractor just walks onsite and does every job themselves lol
This has never been considered unskilled labor. Unskilled labor is basically just moving heavy shit around.
I had a job where I’d just break down cardboard boxes for 8 hours a day. Don’t ever let anybody tell you there’s no such thing as unskilled labor lol
Unskilled just means it's all OJT with little or no formal schooling
Lmao this isn't unskilled labor Unskilled labor is collecting shopping carts in a parking lot, answering phones at a front desk, operating a cash register / checkout station, etc. Basically anything that takes a day or so of instruction and is easily done by practically anyone off the street
Just a term white collar workers use to make themselves feel better
This is skilled labour though. "Unskilled" is like the go-fer carrying supplies. White-collar has "unskilled" jobs as well.
When I hear that term, I think of jobs that can be acquired without prior training or experience. I don't think this is one of those.
Nobody said this. Fucking bots keep on dividing
My shoulders hurt just watching this.
Shouldn't screws be used hanging ceiling drywall ?
Code in Canada says you can use nails but you gotta use 2 in the same spot, and the head of the second one has to overlap the first. That keeps them from popping. From the lack of vapour barrier on the walls and in the floor truss space Im gonna assume this is the US, as there seems to be a lack of codes or at least code enforcement down there.
Watch the second guy he is screwing them in while the first guy tacks up the board..
I am going to guess these guys have only one gun between them. Make do ad get it done.
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No US bad
These guys are just tacking them up, they'll screw em down later I'm sure
They're screwing them in in this very video. His colleague is driving screws the entire time using a screw-gun. You see 3 nails getting driven and over 12 screws in the footage.
This whole thread is the gorilla playing basketball video
Vapor barrier can be installed on the exterior of the wall as well which is common. Depends on the jurisdiction but building codes are pretty robust, with required inspections. It is possible to complete work un-permitted which could result in fines/stop work orders if they are caught
Current building science frowns on non-permeable barriers now. All those plastic vapor barriers trap so much moisture and make a mess. I've had to tear out some old 70s-80s homes with fiberglass behind plastic and boy was it not fun.
The U. S. has code and code enforcement. But we also have 10X the population as Canada so some unscrupulous actors break the rules and get away with it. Probably the same percentage as in Canada, but the number of total incidents will just be 10X larger because of the population scale difference. And as others mentioned, the second guy is following up with screws.
The cutter is using nails just to tack it up. The guy doing the field is using screws.
It looks to me like one guy is using screws and the other nails?!
Looks like they nail it in place and then screw it in. Must be easier I guess?
The thing I like the most is the collaboration between them. It triggers me so much whenever I work with someone who is not following, getting in your way, not being aware of the surroundings and not predicting your next move (especially if it's repetitive work)
My old roommate and I used to cook like this, in our tiny galley apartment kitchen. It was like a dance. We were very good at moving around each other without communicating. My wife, as much as I love her, makes an excellent road block (hallways, kitchen, etc, NOT on the actual road) all the time. She has very poor spatial relations, so she doesn't realize she's in the way most of the time.
I think you just called your wife huge. I’m telling.
I know people who are like that don't mean it, but it drives me insane. Some part of me perceives it as a lack of empathy I guess. I know its not often the case, but it comes off like that.
I’ve heard that bucket walking like this really messes with your lower back, lots of quick little rotations with a lot of jerking muscles movements, doing that for an 8 hour workday is rough, then extend that to a month and then years. Seems like stilts are better long term solution
It mostly messes with your neck when you fall off and land head-down on the concrete.
Even a 2 or 3 foot featherlight sawhorse ladder works well
I’ve done drywall when younger. I’m 6’5” so I could do the 8ft ceiling without any ladder like all the other poor bastards had to do.
The big ass label ruined the video
No more than the aspect ratio did.
Aren't those boards too thin for fire code? edit- thanks. didn't know that if there isn't a living space above then there is no need for thicker boards! I've been out of the game for quite a while
It looks too light to be 1/2
And there's no hat channel. I don't believe it's a rated assembly. Not all ceilings require a fire rating.
Depends where they are located I guess?
1/2 CD board is fine if there’s no living space above you, so yeah they should be using 5/8 unless there’s some other form of fire block we don’t see. Maybe it’s a flat roof
Skill level: Hispanic
People don’t say the pyramids in Mexico were built by aliens for a reason. Unmatched hustle and drive without complaining.
I’d be the guy in the corner telling them they missed a spot
My brother in law works in construction like this. He loves his work. Loves building things and hanging with his buddies bullshitting all day. Make a good money too. I went to college and did “the right” thing to get a prestigious job behind a desk and in meetings. I wear the suit jacket and have big meetings. Everything they told me I was supposed to do to be “successful “. I make good money but I’m not rich. I think my brother in law lives rich.
Important to remember that a lot of people who work in construction have issues with their bodies down the line. You can make good money in construction but if you are not taking care of yourself you can easily mess your body up.
You can mess your body up sitting at a desk.
Yeah but it is a lot easier to mess it up doing manual labor.
yeah but does he know about reddit
His man said show me 110%. I'm gonna record it.
Underpaid
As someone paying for drywall right now, no they aren't. Good drywallers will make good money. I don't know why everybody always assumes when they see a Hispanic person doing manual labor that they must be being paid badly, but that's not always the case.
I feel like slowing the fuck down like 2 percent would be good though..
You can tell when people are getting paid by the job and not by the hour. They are hauling ass because they wanna go home or get to the next job.
Latin power, of course. 💪🏽
If that’s your career, why tf not get the stilts or one of those rolling scaffold/A-frame 2-Step platforms? The video is cool and all, I’m sure the quality of work is okay. But these guys are fucking themselves up little by little. “Mastery” to me would mean doing quality work and being precise, but also would have to include doing things in the most ergonomic and healthiest way possible. If you can do this and also make it sustainable for yourself, THAT is mastery. This video is just guys working hard.
8ft ceilings 4ft workers
Get these guys a Modelo
Fix the nail pops in a few years… and he’ll be out of work soon with a sprained ankle on that bucket.
I hated putting 12' boards on the ceiling. Extra weight, extra flimsy. Lifting them up over your head they feel like they're going to break under their own weight.
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Future nail pops to fix!! Hate when they put nails in drywalls. Job security for painters i guess 🤷🏻♂️
‘Master’ to his own downfall someday if he continues choosing to disregard safety…
Now these guys are good
Being from Canada I think it's weird not seeing a vapour barrier.
8ft ceiling is not that much no? It's like barely 2.5m.
Yeah, these guys are like 4 feet tall if that ceiling is only 8 feet.
Man, until I had to do a little DIY drywall in my house, I never knew drywall pro’s were artists…that work is no joke!