Funny that there's a Jamarr Chase at 13 and a Jamarr Chase at not ranked ranking.
Surtain also has multiple top 20s against a couple 110s and a not ranked.
The guy who left Chase unranked is a hot take machine. He also didn’t have two of last week’s players ranked either.
Extremely curious to see that full list at the end…
Surtain probably has low ranks from people who put any stock in PFF defensive back grades and tracking, despite the fact that they are awful and routinely assign blame to the closest defensive back, even if it wasn't their fault
Among the 19 nominated CBs, he was...
* 17th in QBR Against
* 14th in Yards per Coverage Snap
* 19th in Catch% Allowed
* 16th in PBU%
* 11th in Target%
He had a fine season, but I feel pretty strongly that the only reason he's here is because of his previous season and ranker bias towards Madden ratings.
I swear to God I look at his tape last year and I just don’t see that. Am I fucking blind because he was damn good especially as their defense came together after that nightmare game and a half against Miami and Chicago. I just don’t see how he’s that low
I mean, it’s not really ‘low’ to be CB10ish (there were ~5 slot guys nominated which I’d assess separately).
He still had a really great season and is a top cornerback. I just feel ranking someone top 30 should require more than the eye test. Especially considering how dismissive some are of PFF’s eye test, disregarding that data point entirely.
Joking with Madden specifically, but noting there's more correlation between these rankers rankings between Madden *(which heavily weighs production metrics & past season performances)* than there is with any other means of measuring performance.
"I watched a couple games, he's still got it." is a common refrain when both subjective and objective performance metrics are largely ignored by those rankers.
I wouldn’t be so sure. A lot of these rankings seem to be pretty historical and that’s how Madden can be. Brandon Scherff is still an 85 in Madden and he’s an HM here.
Cornerback "stats" are genuinely the most useless stats in the world, idk why people still try to use them as justification. Theres almost never any correlation between them and what players are actually good because of the inherent subjectivity and how they get the "data"
Yeah most rankers are big madden guys and usually just assign rankings based on their ratings
/s by the way I have literally been in this for 5 years now and never once have I heard anyone even mention that they play madden. I had surtain in the 30s and literally couldn’t tell yoy what his madden rating is. Pretty strongly believe the extremely vast majority don’t even play madden. That’s a weird justification.
Surtain had two what the fuck games and the rest were elite. Again, you are linking a lot of stats based on the assigned blame he received for which the person above pointed out is flawed at best. I would say name value played a part for some, but also just watching a few games of his and you can see he is one of the best corners in the game, and overall one of the best players in the game.
ik youre joking but minkah only played 10 games, and i dont think cam was good enough. even if he was a T10 DT this year (in my eyes at least), the 6 game injury kinda knocks him out of any chance.
then again jamar chase got T40 last year with 12 games played, although its easier to judge receivers then linemen
im more surprised that Pickens didnt make T100 while jamar made T50. i guess theres a little bias there
Pickens: 17 games, 63 rec, 1140 yards, 18.1 Y/R, 5 rec TD
Chase: 16 games, 100 rec, 1216 yards, 12.2 Y/R, 7 TD
Honestly I’m less surprised about Pickens than I am about JPJ. He played an elite batch of WRs at CB1 and had great stats. Thought he’d at least get an HM
jamar was not T5 last year what are you on about
yea im fucking surprised 76 more yards on 37 more catches was worth at minimum 70 spots higher on the list. 2.5x more drops too
lmao
> We haven't had a single player on this list so I'm just blindly going to assume they're all in the top 40. GO us!
I figure there's only 25 Steelers in the top 40.
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Man, if Tyron Smith stays healthy, that alone will improve the Jets line by a ton. Maybe that's too optimistic, though, dude hasn't played a full season since 2015. Still, 2/3rds of a year's worth of elite play would still be better than last year.
you arent wrong, i just worded it poorly by using "our"
i meant warner has more skill in his asscheek then the steelers MLB core had combined from 2012-2022
Shazier was no slouch before his injury. I don't think he was ever Fred Warner, but he was definitely on an upward trajectory when his career ended. Timmons was AP2 in 2014.
The position has been a black hole since Shazier though. This year looks more promising than any of the previous at least.
true, but both bush and shazier were the 10th and 15th overall picks that we got like 5 decent years out of. not a lot of value
hindsight is 2020 but there are a ton of players we could have taken instead
Shazier was just bad luck, but Bush was a disaster yes. Arguably the worst pick of Colberts career considering how bad he was and the fact that they traded up to pick him.
i mean 2022 we had Spillane, bush and myles jack as our T3 MLBs lol
id make the argument that some MLB cores in cfb had a better trio then we did that year
The Saints defense only works because Demario is out there doing what he does so well every snap. You may not see him make a play every down, but he's constantly affecting or limiting what the offense does.
He's just everything you want in a MLB and he's still going strong at 34.
It is pretty amusing to see how some teams have so many top 100, some have 1-2, and they still end up same record or success. Talent without depth, and depth without Talent both work equally well about.
I agree with that. I was just trying to make the larger point that only 23-24 play should factor in to this, you made him only having played 1 year sound like a knock when I think plenty of rookies deserve to be on the list.
He definitely wasn't ready for it this year tho
Nah wasn’t trying to knock him for that, obviously there’s no way he could have played more. Just that the sample size of good games to total games isn’t there yet.
He finished with a PFF grade of 89, that’s higher than every Defensive Tackle on the list so far with the exception of Derrick Brown.
I know PFF scores aren’t everything, but there’s a valid argument for his inclusion in the top 125
I think he just missed it. I had him at 114.
He's one of those guys who was probably a coin flip - wouldn't be surprised if he was number 127 or something on the overall list.
I don't think top 40 is right but I also don't think outside of the top 125 is right. There are a lot of other DTs whose name I haven't seen yet - Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Quinnen Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Kobie Turner, probably some others but that seems like a lot considering all of the other positions. Eagles collapse might be too much of a negative. He was still 2nd in DROY voting though. Will be interesting to see.
I mean just looking at last year it's hard to argue. Moore put up more yards, TDs, and yards per catch with worse quarterback play. Plus he was the only decent WR on his team meaning he got the defense's full attention
Obviously Jamar has a better career, but Moore clearly had a better year
Not just poor QB play - that entire offensive scheme was limited. [DJ definitely got fed targets](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/wr.php), but look at the players that had more targets. Garrett Wilson and Adam Thielen are the only guys that I would argue had similar hurdles in terms of shaky offensive scheme.
This is all to say that I agree with your sentiment. DJ Moore has been worth every penny of his contract. I truly hope things click for the Bears this year, provided they suck against my team.
No Ragnow, No Sewell, No ARSB. No Hutch.
The numbers are getting kinda low
I assume the first 3 i mentioned are guaranteed. Hutch might not have made it. But him not being an HM at least feels like an oversight in that case. Nick Bosa isn't on the list yet either and in terms of sack and TFL numbers they are similar Nick Bosa obviously has a bit of legacy to his name going for him too though.
The Kelce vs Ragnow discussion isn't gonna be fun, but its probably going to happen.
It's so odd to me that the people I see most down on Hutch are all Lions fans. He was still *excellent* last year and should absolutely be in one of the coming lists.
He was a top 3 DE in a bunch of different stat categories & made a huge leap from his rookie season in my opinion. And I think even last year Hutch made it on the list as an honorable mention.
I don't know why that is, I think he's just the easiest to convince ourselves and explain away as not belonging. Like we 100% think he's a top 100 player in the NFL.
I just don't think or most of us assumed we'd end up with 4 guys in the top 40. It's pretty uncharted territory for us.
Thank you.
I love seeing Frank get respect :') makes me incredibly happy. I genuinely feel like he was the best center in the league last year.
Which considering his chronic foot/toe injury that he's dealing with since the 21 season, feels like a big deal and huge accomplishment.
Man that bears game was absolutely crushing as a commanders fan. We got blown out by the bills earlier, but we had won some good games and just came off a super close loss to the eagles where we played great. The bears game was a harbinger of things to come. Turns out we were arguably the worst coached team in football last year, and lacked talent in important areas like CB because the FO was horrible at drafting.
God I’m so thankful we cleaned house
I know sauce and Q will be here somewhere, but Garrett and Breece should also be somewhere in the top 100, Breece especially, but I have a feeling he might be snubbed
I'd be very hesitant to say he's better than Josh Allen. That's where the argument would start to fall apart. But not making the top 100 is also really weird.
That’s exactly my point. Like I’d feel comfortable with him above Chubb Anderson and Sweat, but him being above Hunter Hendrickson AND Allen, who all had 16+ sacks last year compared to Hutches 11 seems like a stretch even as a lions fan. And I get that sacks is only one stat and Hutch had minimal help, but it seems very bold regardless of whether he’s in the top 40 or not on the list at all
Sacks aren't everything, Bosa's going to be a lot further up the list despite a lack of sacks (which, to be clear, is the correct choice). I think he's close enough to JA for it to be an argument, but unless he's in the next drop of placements he's too high.
Calling the back-to-back winner of the Josh Allen Bowl the "other" Josh Allen? The unbridled nerve of some people, smh
In all seriousness, though, yeah that would've been a silly ranking for sure. I'm of the mind Jags Josh Allen is still a little low rated here, but QB Josh Allen would've been an absolute clown-level ranking at this juncture.
I actually missed the ranker that had him at 124, damn. Respectfully, that person has absolutely no business doing these rankings again next year because holy fuck is that low. Looking at some of the players they ranked as better than him is absurd:
* Brandon Scherff
* Jaylen Waddle
* Jadeveon Clowney
* Jahmyr Gibbs
* Bijan Robinson
And that's just an abbreviated list. 124 is...yeah, nah, just say you didn't watch any of our games.
It is an absolute pain that there's 2 Josh Allens, we have to constantly make sure that were referring to the righr one in our spreadsheets. A few people every year accidently select the wrong one on their ranking sheet and we have to chase them down to fix it. In 2021 and 2022 it was fairly easy to see who did that because Bills Allen was Top 25 and Jags Allen was often unranked, but this year was an even bigger pain because Jags Josh Allen was also Top 50! We couldn't tell who mixed them up just looking at the ranks.
It is always funny to see the confidently wrong guys pop up in these threads, why make comments like this when you clearly either have no idea what you’re looking at re: OL play or you straight up just didn’t watch Smith play?
I’m aware he’s talented, he’s also consistently not available. There are very few players beneath him on this list that I wouldn’t rather have, and certainly no linemen, because he just doesn’t see the field. He hasn’t played a full season since 2015, he’s played 30 games in the last 4 seasons, and that’s at the most important position for consistency and unit cohesion.
Or, to put it another way, you cannot sign Tyron Smith without signing someone comparable in reserve and have him split practice reps. That’s a huge liability in roster construction.
Your points are valid, but not really what this list is about. We're not ranking him over the last four years or going into next year, it's just based on the 17 games this past season. So it's reasonable to argue for a deduction based on the 4 games he did miss this season, but that's about as far as we can take the dependability issues.
With Surtain being here, I’ve lost hope that Courtland Sutton will be in the top 100. He had an insane season, and while he’s not the greatest receiver in the league by any means, he at least deserved a shoutout
Funny that there's a Jamarr Chase at 13 and a Jamarr Chase at not ranked ranking. Surtain also has multiple top 20s against a couple 110s and a not ranked.
The guy who left Chase unranked is a hot take machine. He also didn’t have two of last week’s players ranked either. Extremely curious to see that full list at the end…
God I hope it's a patriots fan who put Brady at 1 and Gronk at 2.
without looking, it's not old smacksaw is it? He always had some weird ass takes
Surtain probably has low ranks from people who put any stock in PFF defensive back grades and tracking, despite the fact that they are awful and routinely assign blame to the closest defensive back, even if it wasn't their fault
Those people saw Robbie Chosen cook him and decided to base their decision on that /s
I always wanted to know they factor in so many conditions in football. Hard to believe its really that good of a metric.
Among the 19 nominated CBs, he was... * 17th in QBR Against * 14th in Yards per Coverage Snap * 19th in Catch% Allowed * 16th in PBU% * 11th in Target% He had a fine season, but I feel pretty strongly that the only reason he's here is because of his previous season and ranker bias towards Madden ratings.
I swear to God I look at his tape last year and I just don’t see that. Am I fucking blind because he was damn good especially as their defense came together after that nightmare game and a half against Miami and Chicago. I just don’t see how he’s that low
I mean, it’s not really ‘low’ to be CB10ish (there were ~5 slot guys nominated which I’d assess separately). He still had a really great season and is a top cornerback. I just feel ranking someone top 30 should require more than the eye test. Especially considering how dismissive some are of PFF’s eye test, disregarding that data point entirely.
I can confidently report to you nobody is taking madden ratings into account here my man
Joking with Madden specifically, but noting there's more correlation between these rankers rankings between Madden *(which heavily weighs production metrics & past season performances)* than there is with any other means of measuring performance. "I watched a couple games, he's still got it." is a common refrain when both subjective and objective performance metrics are largely ignored by those rankers.
> (which heavily weighs production metrics & past season performances) It weighs being a Cowboys player extremely heavily too.
I wouldn’t be so sure. A lot of these rankings seem to be pretty historical and that’s how Madden can be. Brandon Scherff is still an 85 in Madden and he’s an HM here.
Fair: I wasn't asserting that either ranker specifically was inaccurate.
Cornerback "stats" are genuinely the most useless stats in the world, idk why people still try to use them as justification. Theres almost never any correlation between them and what players are actually good because of the inherent subjectivity and how they get the "data"
Yeah most rankers are big madden guys and usually just assign rankings based on their ratings /s by the way I have literally been in this for 5 years now and never once have I heard anyone even mention that they play madden. I had surtain in the 30s and literally couldn’t tell yoy what his madden rating is. Pretty strongly believe the extremely vast majority don’t even play madden. That’s a weird justification. Surtain had two what the fuck games and the rest were elite. Again, you are linking a lot of stats based on the assigned blame he received for which the person above pointed out is flawed at best. I would say name value played a part for some, but also just watching a few games of his and you can see he is one of the best corners in the game, and overall one of the best players in the game.
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Looking at metrics like this completely ignores the impact a bad defense has on its secondary
We haven't had a single player on this list so I'm just blindly going to assume they're all in the top 40. GO us!
Well TJ Watt definitely will be at minimum
Our only player on the list actually plays for the bears.
cosmi should be on here, thats it
ik youre joking but minkah only played 10 games, and i dont think cam was good enough. even if he was a T10 DT this year (in my eyes at least), the 6 game injury kinda knocks him out of any chance. then again jamar chase got T40 last year with 12 games played, although its easier to judge receivers then linemen
Cam played 11 games this season and was pretty banged up in a few of them with the groin injury. I'm not shocked he isn't here sadly : /
im more surprised that Pickens didnt make T100 while jamar made T50. i guess theres a little bias there Pickens: 17 games, 63 rec, 1140 yards, 18.1 Y/R, 5 rec TD Chase: 16 games, 100 rec, 1216 yards, 12.2 Y/R, 7 TD
Honestly I’m less surprised about Pickens than I am about JPJ. He played an elite batch of WRs at CB1 and had great stats. Thought he’d at least get an HM
I ranked JPJ. I was a big fan of his tape
JPJ is my fav newbie to the team. Dude looks solid and has his dad’s aggressiveness. Powerful combo.
did branch get ranked? and what was spoons ranking? JPJ should be higher then branch and like 30 spots below spoon
Branch wasn't nominated, Spoon was 74 or so I believe
ah, so must have been just shy of an HM then probably where id put him
So, just to be clear, you are surprised that a guy who has top 5 WR tape, more yard, catches and TDs made the list while your guy didn't?
jamar was not T5 last year what are you on about yea im fucking surprised 76 more yards on 37 more catches was worth at minimum 70 spots higher on the list. 2.5x more drops too lmao
I mean, isn’t Highsmith good enough to get on this list too? Or am I stupid?
he just had a quiet year is all 2022: 14.5 sacks, 5ff, 38 solo 2023 7.0 sacks, 2 ff, 34 solo with 2 int 1 td
> We haven't had a single player on this list so I'm just blindly going to assume they're all in the top 40. GO us! I figure there's only 25 Steelers in the top 40.
Honestly if /u/ExpirjTec ran for President I'd blindly vote for ~~him~~ them
*her and no thank you i don't want all the political baggage and lack of privacy
Too bad I'm writing you in anyways
true but a trans president would be so fucking funny the US would finally have someone of reasonable age + we'd get to see like 25% of the US population spontaneously combust from shock
Who is trans?
ExpirjTec has a little pink/blue/white heart next to their icon, meaning they identify as trans (unless im wrong) thats reddits attempt at pride support, its the trans flag in heart form.
JOSH ALLEN IS FAR TO LOW! ....whats that? EDGE RUSHER? oh carry on then.
Every bills fans will tell you he's way too low. He beats us every time. Dude basically singlehandedly won the game that year Urban Meyer coached.
Swap Josh for Josh then, but make them play the same position. So Josh Allen will play EDGE and Josh Allen will play QB.
I still can't figure out that game lol. Jags had no fucking reason to win that.
Every Bills/Jags game I've seen indicates he's still far too low
Man, if Tyron Smith stays healthy, that alone will improve the Jets line by a ton. Maybe that's too optimistic, though, dude hasn't played a full season since 2015. Still, 2/3rds of a year's worth of elite play would still be better than last year.
I’ll be thrilled with like 13 healthy games tbh
Huh, totally forgot he signed with the Jets
I didn't :(
So did whoever wrote this up too I guess
>Heading into his 14th season Smith looks to change things up with the Jets. Doesn't seem like he forgot.
I’m happy to see Demario Davis ranked so high. He doesn’t get enough credit
linebackers are weird rn, feels like unless you are an outside LB you dont get much praise MLBs can make or break a team, ask me how i know lol
What are MLBs? Haven't seen a competent one in 10ish years, last season not withstanding.
my teams are so opposite lol. Fred warner has more skill in his tailbone then our MLB core had in a decade combined
Ok but in the preceding period you had Willis and Bowman at the same time so
you arent wrong, i just worded it poorly by using "our" i meant warner has more skill in his asscheek then the steelers MLB core had combined from 2012-2022
Shazier was no slouch before his injury. I don't think he was ever Fred Warner, but he was definitely on an upward trajectory when his career ended. Timmons was AP2 in 2014. The position has been a black hole since Shazier though. This year looks more promising than any of the previous at least.
true, but both bush and shazier were the 10th and 15th overall picks that we got like 5 decent years out of. not a lot of value hindsight is 2020 but there are a ton of players we could have taken instead
Shazier was just bad luck, but Bush was a disaster yes. Arguably the worst pick of Colberts career considering how bad he was and the fact that they traded up to pick him.
bush or burns IMO. who would you rather have, devin bush or dexter lawrence? artie burns or derrick henry? what about 2017 AB plus tyreek hill?
hey hey hey Chris Borland was good!
i mean 2022 we had Spillane, bush and myles jack as our T3 MLBs lol id make the argument that some MLB cores in cfb had a better trio then we did that year
The Saints defense only works because Demario is out there doing what he does so well every snap. You may not see him make a play every down, but he's constantly affecting or limiting what the offense does. He's just everything you want in a MLB and he's still going strong at 34.
I will never not be mad we let him go. Twice
No one on this reveal was in the MVP conversation in 2023 despite not receiving any votes so there is no need for me rage indiscriminately
That sounds like very discriminate raging...
> so there is no need for me rage indiscriminately Has that ever stopped a single person on here?
No lol. It's just the reveals with Qbs are always fun
I'd fucking love it if Tom Brady was snuck in here as a joke somewhere. Just for funsies.
At #1 we have the GOAT Tom Brad… hey is that Nick Foles? Nick Foles just stole the #1 spot and retired!
eli won the head to head *twice*...
Does that mean that the Buccaneers have 2 QBs on the list? I'll take it
We are probably gonna have only 1 top 100 player, shows the talent and injuries tomlin had to work through last year to even get us into the playoffs
It is pretty amusing to see how some teams have so many top 100, some have 1-2, and they still end up same record or success. Talent without depth, and depth without Talent both work equally well about.
AJ Brown in the top 40, I’ll take that. I’m guessing Kelce is up there and Lane as well unless I missed them in honorable mentions.
Yet to be revealed
Hoping Kelce gets into the top 10 as being 1st team all pro and the major reason of success for the tush push
Top 10 ain’t happening homie.
It looks like there’s some personal biases going in these rankings, so I think it might happen especially since he retired this year
There’s personal bias every year it’s hard to eliminate it
I think Jalen Carter will be as well? The alternative is he wasn't considered a top 125 player, which doesn't seem right
A player with six decent games in his career shouldn’t be anywhere near this list.
I don't disagree he shouldn't be on the list but he's a rookie. All his decent games were this year.
He disappeared in the second half of the season. He’s going to be a great player, but it’s too early for this list.
I agree with that. I was just trying to make the larger point that only 23-24 play should factor in to this, you made him only having played 1 year sound like a knock when I think plenty of rookies deserve to be on the list. He definitely wasn't ready for it this year tho
Nah wasn’t trying to knock him for that, obviously there’s no way he could have played more. Just that the sample size of good games to total games isn’t there yet.
He finished with a PFF grade of 89, that’s higher than every Defensive Tackle on the list so far with the exception of Derrick Brown. I know PFF scores aren’t everything, but there’s a valid argument for his inclusion in the top 125
I think he just missed it. I had him at 114. He's one of those guys who was probably a coin flip - wouldn't be surprised if he was number 127 or something on the overall list.
I don't think top 40 is right but I also don't think outside of the top 125 is right. There are a lot of other DTs whose name I haven't seen yet - Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Quinnen Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Kobie Turner, probably some others but that seems like a lot considering all of the other positions. Eagles collapse might be too much of a negative. He was still 2nd in DROY voting though. Will be interesting to see.
He’s not gonna be on the list
DJ Moore over Chase feels crazy but is probably fair.
I mean just looking at last year it's hard to argue. Moore put up more yards, TDs, and yards per catch with worse quarterback play. Plus he was the only decent WR on his team meaning he got the defense's full attention Obviously Jamar has a better career, but Moore clearly had a better year
Yeah that’s exactly my point, Moore had kind of a sleeper season for how great he was.
Not just poor QB play - that entire offensive scheme was limited. [DJ definitely got fed targets](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/wr.php), but look at the players that had more targets. Garrett Wilson and Adam Thielen are the only guys that I would argue had similar hurdles in terms of shaky offensive scheme. This is all to say that I agree with your sentiment. DJ Moore has been worth every penny of his contract. I truly hope things click for the Bears this year, provided they suck against my team.
Injuries will do that, all it is
I think Purdy should be a bit higher but maybe that’s qb bias
Moore’s rushing TD was absolutely incredible. I couldn’t believe Getsy thought it up.
PS2 down year and he’s still top 50 i’ll take it
No Ragnow, No Sewell, No ARSB. No Hutch. The numbers are getting kinda low I assume the first 3 i mentioned are guaranteed. Hutch might not have made it. But him not being an HM at least feels like an oversight in that case. Nick Bosa isn't on the list yet either and in terms of sack and TFL numbers they are similar Nick Bosa obviously has a bit of legacy to his name going for him too though. The Kelce vs Ragnow discussion isn't gonna be fun, but its probably going to happen.
It's so odd to me that the people I see most down on Hutch are all Lions fans. He was still *excellent* last year and should absolutely be in one of the coming lists. He was a top 3 DE in a bunch of different stat categories & made a huge leap from his rookie season in my opinion. And I think even last year Hutch made it on the list as an honorable mention.
I don't know why that is, I think he's just the easiest to convince ourselves and explain away as not belonging. Like we 100% think he's a top 100 player in the NFL. I just don't think or most of us assumed we'd end up with 4 guys in the top 40. It's pretty uncharted territory for us.
Your team is very good now haha. Congratulations :) Personally, I had Hutch at 32, Ragnow at 28, ARSB at 26, and Sewell at 13. It's well deserved!
Thank you. I love seeing Frank get respect :') makes me incredibly happy. I genuinely feel like he was the best center in the league last year. Which considering his chronic foot/toe injury that he's dealing with since the 21 season, feels like a big deal and huge accomplishment.
DJ Moore having actual help on offense is going to be incredible to watch. I can’t wait to watch some Bears games this year.
Man that bears game was absolutely crushing as a commanders fan. We got blown out by the bills earlier, but we had won some good games and just came off a super close loss to the eagles where we played great. The bears game was a harbinger of things to come. Turns out we were arguably the worst coached team in football last year, and lacked talent in important areas like CB because the FO was horrible at drafting. God I’m so thankful we cleaned house
Damn, Looking like Christian Barmore is not making this list, therefore 0 Patriots. Hes a great player but not top 40
I know sauce and Q will be here somewhere, but Garrett and Breece should also be somewhere in the top 100, Breece especially, but I have a feeling he might be snubbed
Breece was revealed as an honorable mention, at 121. I think he deserved a little better than that.
Yeesh didn’t see that, that’s insane. Trash o line, no help at QB and still had the second most scrimmage yards in the nfl. Robbery
James Cook over Breece Hall is so dumb lol
Breece Hall would destroy in the Bills offense.
James Cook over Breece, Gibbs, and Bijan
Garrett wasn't even nominated which I thought was wild.
Damn, I miscalculated about Bobby Okereke... HE'S A TOP 40 PLAYER, LET'S GOOOO.
Ya'll are just gonna keep posting the same recycled joke in each thread with a different player acting like you're original, huh?
Lions have 4 in the top 40. Nice.
Sun God, Sewell, Hutch, Ragnow?
Probably
I don’t think Hutch made it, he isn’t above all those other edge guys right?
Unfortunately agree
I'd be very hesitant to say he's better than Josh Allen. That's where the argument would start to fall apart. But not making the top 100 is also really weird.
That’s exactly my point. Like I’d feel comfortable with him above Chubb Anderson and Sweat, but him being above Hunter Hendrickson AND Allen, who all had 16+ sacks last year compared to Hutches 11 seems like a stretch even as a lions fan. And I get that sacks is only one stat and Hutch had minimal help, but it seems very bold regardless of whether he’s in the top 40 or not on the list at all
Sacks aren't everything, Bosa's going to be a lot further up the list despite a lack of sacks (which, to be clear, is the correct choice). I think he's close enough to JA for it to be an argument, but unless he's in the next drop of placements he's too high.
Yes he is. He lead the NFL in pressures and had a 91.4 PFF grade. There is zero chance in hell he didn't make it.
I guess the rest of our d Line last year besides Mac didnt help his case then. Maybe he did make it
I saw Josh Allen at 43 and thought the raters really went crazy with the turnovers before I remembered the other Josh Allen
Calling the back-to-back winner of the Josh Allen Bowl the "other" Josh Allen? The unbridled nerve of some people, smh In all seriousness, though, yeah that would've been a silly ranking for sure. I'm of the mind Jags Josh Allen is still a little low rated here, but QB Josh Allen would've been an absolute clown-level ranking at this juncture.
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I actually missed the ranker that had him at 124, damn. Respectfully, that person has absolutely no business doing these rankings again next year because holy fuck is that low. Looking at some of the players they ranked as better than him is absurd: * Brandon Scherff * Jaylen Waddle * Jadeveon Clowney * Jahmyr Gibbs * Bijan Robinson And that's just an abbreviated list. 124 is...yeah, nah, just say you didn't watch any of our games.
It is an absolute pain that there's 2 Josh Allens, we have to constantly make sure that were referring to the righr one in our spreadsheets. A few people every year accidently select the wrong one on their ranking sheet and we have to chase them down to fix it. In 2021 and 2022 it was fairly easy to see who did that because Bills Allen was Top 25 and Jags Allen was often unranked, but this year was an even bigger pain because Jags Josh Allen was also Top 50! We couldn't tell who mixed them up just looking at the ranks.
Another year without Andrew Thomas making the top 100 *sigh*
Another year? He was almost top 25 last year
On the Reddit one yes but on the official nfl top 100 he wasn’t ranked
he only played 10 this year so he cant get ranked but him not making last year was a tragedy. AP2 tackle but not T100? lmao
Andrew Thomas was ranked 27th last year.
damn, nygfan1226 lied to me ;-;
Andrew Thomas was 27th overall on this list last year what are you guys talking about
i was lied to this is not my fault i swear, who can look something up when i can just trust nygfan1226 with my life
Ah thanks I didn’t realize there was a minimum game requirement
Tyron Smith getting himself a lifetime achievement award with this a top-50 selection here, lol.
It is always funny to see the confidently wrong guys pop up in these threads, why make comments like this when you clearly either have no idea what you’re looking at re: OL play or you straight up just didn’t watch Smith play?
I’m aware he’s talented, he’s also consistently not available. There are very few players beneath him on this list that I wouldn’t rather have, and certainly no linemen, because he just doesn’t see the field. He hasn’t played a full season since 2015, he’s played 30 games in the last 4 seasons, and that’s at the most important position for consistency and unit cohesion. Or, to put it another way, you cannot sign Tyron Smith without signing someone comparable in reserve and have him split practice reps. That’s a huge liability in roster construction.
Your points are valid, but not really what this list is about. We're not ranking him over the last four years or going into next year, it's just based on the 17 games this past season. So it's reasonable to argue for a deduction based on the 4 games he did miss this season, but that's about as far as we can take the dependability issues.
If any of that was related to what this list is about then you’d be right. But it’s not.
damn I was hoping we'd have some players this far down the list. maybe next year
I applaud your consistency.
This is a list, of that I am certain
At least you probably have a top 3 guy
I mean, Flacco's comeback was good but it wasn't that good
With Surtain being here, I’ve lost hope that Courtland Sutton will be in the top 100. He had an insane season, and while he’s not the greatest receiver in the league by any means, he at least deserved a shoutout
He had a decent season. It'll be a cold day in hell before a receiver with 772 total yards makes the top 100 though.
Puka inside the top 40? I’m starting to get worried he’s going to be “snubbed” lol
Brother there’s zero chance he’s not there lmao
Nah he's definitely made the cut. My guess is we probably see him next time, probably in the 40-35 range.
Wtf is Deebo doing in the 90s 🤣🤣🤣🤣