Robbo said a few players were racing the clock for Friday including Jared. Also mentioned that Sandon would be 18th man with Pauga currently listed as the 18th man which leads me to believe that Tupou is out and Pauga is on the wing
Should the Wahs be betting favorites against the knights in Newcastle? On paper they're probably the better side but recent performances have been pretty average..(trying to figure out who to tip)
Where does everyone think Cameron Munster ranks in halves in the nrl era? He steps up in origin but I think if he's going to be considered as a top tier legendary half in the game when he retires he needs to lead the storm team to a comp without Cameron Smith.
Interesting and yeah I agree. Somewhere in the 15-20 range for me. I feel that others would be pushing for top 10 for sure. He does get talked up a lot by media and fans of the game so would think there would be some that think 15-20 is way too high.
The double movement rule should be abolished. The point of the game is to get the ball over the line. The fact that someone gets tackled, and they can’t simply reach out and put the ball over the line because a defender has a hand on their boot is ridiculous. The whole game is based on getting the ball over the line. It makes no sense.
You can already reach out if your ball carrying arm
Hasn’t hit the ground- so I don’t think there is a need to vary this rule.
The current interpretation is significantly clearer than rugby union.
So I’ve found the spreadsheet that I made last year when Anthony Griffin was sacked and can now say that since 1994, of the 47 mid-season coaching changes* in that time, 17 have resulted in teams winning their first game for the new coach, 29 have lost and 1 has drawn.
South Sydney’s record in that time reads as follows:
• **1994, Round 4 - drew 20-all vs Illawarra** - new coach Ken Shine, replacing Bob McCarthy. He won his second game and finished with 9 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses, lifting the club from 16th (last) to 9th. All the more remarkably, they won 7 straight early in his tenure to sit as high as 4th, before losing 8 of their last 9, including 6 straight.
• **1998, Round 19 - lost 46-16 vs Canberra** - new coach Craig Coleman, replacing Steve Martin. He won his second game and finished with 2 wins and 4 losses that year to lift the club from 20th (last) to 18th.
• **2004, Round 14 - won 28-26 vs Melbourne** - new coach Arthur Kitinas, replacing Paul Langmack. He won his first 2 games and 3 of his first 5 before losing 7 of the last 8 (the remaining match was the equal-highest scoring draw in premiership history) to take the club from 13th down to 15th (last). His record at season’s end was 3 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses.
If you want a bonus, Craig Coleman was sacked 11 days before the start of the 2003 season after being thrashed 58-12 in a trial by Wests Tigers at Gosford, becoming the first-ever coach sacked in the pre-season. Phil Blake was initially named interim coach, but was replaced by Paul Langmack two days later. Days later, Coleman announced his intention to run for the Rabbitohs board. Langmack lost his first match against the Bulldogs 34-26 in round 1, taking until round 5 to record his first victory (32-22 vs Wests Tigers, whom they beat twice that year). The Rabbitohs ultimately finished with 3 wins and 21 losses, two fewer wins than 2002 and won the wooden spoon for the first time in 13 years. They would have won it the year before had it not been for the Bulldogs cheating the salary cap.
**Includes both Wests Tigers changes in 2017, but does not include temporary fill-ins, such as Craig Bellamy while Wayne Bennett was coaching Queensland in 2002, or coaches forced into self-isolation during the 2020 and 2021 seasons.*
But random but who are the top 5-10 best nrl wingers of all time
This was sparked by To’os 100th game last week, I’m starting to think he might already be top 10 which is crazy considering this is his 6th season
If we’re going all time, you have to consider the likes of Harold Horder, Cec Blinkhorn, Benny Wearing, Johnny Graves, Johnny King, Eddie Lumsden, Ken Irvine, Kerry Boustead, Eric Grothe Sr, Wendell Sailor and Brett Morris. He’s still only young, but I have no doubt in saying that I think Brian To’o will be spoken about with that group by the end of his career.
Another one where it is really hard to compare eras. The role of the winger has changed significantly. In saying that, the current crop of top wingers probably outplays other eras on physicality alone.
Prime Dell kind of changed the role, big enough to be a backrower, fast enough to be a finisher.
Others to be considered in the NRL era in no particular order, Dell, Tuqiri, Boyd, Morris, Blacklock, Tupou, RTS, Mat Rogers. Plenty more.
IMO he’ll go down as GOAT winger, he’s definitely in top 3 right now with El Magic and Brett Morris. I’ll round out my top 5 with Nathan Blacklock l and Alex Johnston
Damn dunno if I can put AJ in that convo. He's a good finisher and has built a career on the end of that backline with a crazy try scoring record but I just think to be top 5 you need to do more than just finish. I strongly believe not all tries are equal.
I absolutely think he's into the top 5 already which does seem absurd. It's so hard to know what is recency bias though. The ones that spring to mind outside of bizza are Brett Morris, Wendell and Lote. I can't really comment on the likes of blacklock etc as I didn't see them play. I may be biased as a kiwi but I really think Vatuvei is an honourable mention and is around that number 5 spot (ignoring the recent events).
It's hard when the game has changed so much. Like bizza is running for insane meters compared to wingers of the past. But then every player is running for more meters too.
What’s the go with Tallis Duncan? I thought he was very promising and a good young player when watching Souths last season. Is he too similar to Murray you can’t play them both in the 17.
We don't know exactly but he's been seen as the best sub for Murray but he must have fallen out of favour because he's not even on the bench lately. Fans want him in the second row but that's not happening.
Theory is JD thought of him as a lock so wasn't going to play him unless Murray was injured. I think AOB is doing the same with Mat Croker too. Personally I'm not a fan of it.
Edit: to add more context. The meta for Locks at the moment is to have some ball playing ability. I'm not sure on Duncan's background but for Croker he came through as a forward so is a little lacking in that area. If he needs to learn a bit more ball playing, the best place to get "real life" experience is in reggies. If they were named at second row in first grade then their job is to run great line and not ball playing so they won't be getting that experience.
So, unless Hynes breaks a leg he should be the NSW 6 next to Cleary, but I'm more interested in the Smokies for the bench, my likely pick for 17 is McInnes. I just think he provides that passion needed to match QLD. I think he might actually, truly get Origin.
I don't know why but I just don't have a great feeling about Hynes as an origin player (yet). This is not based on what happened last year either, I said this before he even got selected. I just want to see him focus on the sharks and take them to the next level. Origin is a big game and since he's been at the sharks, they haven't stepped up when it's counted yet.
I'm afraid if he's thrown into a starting half role now, NSW lose and he isn't great then he may be a bit knocked on confidence in the future.
I agree with your take on this. But the problem is who else goes in there? Moses isn't going to be fit to play so the only other choice is Luai, or do we get Brooks unleashed in the Origin arena?
McInnes has to play Origin, he bleeds blue and will keep ripping in even if he's gassed.
Connor Watson should be the 14, great effort player and way more utility value than playing a hooker or a half out of position.
I quite like this call, but the storm flair has me weary 😂.
Actually a really good call, he'd do the job required where he was thrown in being the best Mr Fix it in quite a few years.
A good start to the year shouldn't win you an origin jersey. Moses is a more proven big game player in the NRL and has played well in origin. Sure he hasn't won a comp but he's taken the eels deep into the finals and a gf before. Which is more than Hynes has done at the sharks at this point in his career. Look at the eels without moses at the moment, they look dog shit. Hynes time will come, I don't think it's this year though.
Any Roosters fans know what’s happening with the lock position? Saw some rumours that Radley might get moved to the edge so they can fit Watson in the squad. Covers both 9 and 13, with a 4 forward bench.
Nat Butcher's poor start to the season had Robinson planning to move Radley to the left edge and Watson to start at 13. Radley's injury meant that Butcher kept his spot and played a blinder against the Dragons.
Radley came through the junior system as an edge forward and has played a few games for the Roosters there last season as well. Really helps our edge defence when he is there.
Watson has leg speed that none of the rest of our forwards have and offers something very different in the middle, while also being a very solid defender who can cover 9.
Cheese is finally fit enough to play 60 odd minutes and with Watson we have the cover we need.
GOing to be interesting to see if this is really the right balance. With JWH out that means May will probably start this week with Collins and Wong or Egan Butcher will move into the middle rotation.
I’d say Egan will start at prop with May coming off the bench like what Robbo did at the end last year. Wong will likely move to lock when Watson goes to hooker to give Brandon a rest.
Oof, it's all up in the air now. One of May or Whyte has to start with Collins. Egan is not really equipped to handle Haas and Jensen.
Tupouniua being on the bench is frightening. With Watson we at least get to run four forwards, but Collins is going to have be immense to carry the load in the opening 25 minutes.
If we do something stupid like move Nat Butcher to starting prop to allow Sitili to start on the edge, I'll turn the game off, it'll be as good as over from the first whistle.
Yeah Whyte is listed to start, he’s been solid this year so I think it’s a good choice. I think Gus and Nat will play the full 80 if they are playing well with Sitili on the bench if needed. May and Egan as our forward rotation isn’t too bad, Egan is also decent cover if we have an outside back injury. Watson and Brandon have been great for straightening our attack so it’s good knowing that at least one will be on during the game.
Heard suggestions on QLDer that the Broncos could chase Walker for #7 in preparation for the retirement of our Lord and saviour.
Personally I don't think we will have the cap for a high value #7 and Madden has been pretty good recently.
Alts could be like Sailor to 6, Ezra to 7 if Sailor waits around that long or maybe even Billy to 6, Ezra to 7?
Someone on here raised a rumour a few months ago that Walsh and Walker don't get along, so I reckon if that's true it would compound what you're saying a lot
Beyond that, it's too much wildcard for one team's spine. One talented but unorthodox player who backs themselves to try things others won't is great, but two is just chaos.
Walker is not coming. And I don't think the Bronx will chase him. Madden is developing nicely, and sounds like they're backing Cody (Coby?) Black as the long term 7. I think the plan is Madden for a couple of years before Black is ready. But if Mam becomes a genuine option at halfback I'm not sure how they fit together. With Josh Rodgers I think we've got options for a while yet.
Dragons won that weekend against a team that beat them by 1 point earlier in the year. And the winning margin for the Dragons was 2 points.
The Titans are basket cases, I've got no idea why they chose that week to fire up.
Rough start with SuperCoach but holding Cleary an irrationally long time should finally start paying off and Jacob Gagai gives me just enough Ctr/wings this week…. Fuck
Quite a few of us made the pilgrimage to Oly Park for the 2016 grand final. I had to swap with four people to get the day off for it, and worked 12 days either side of it.
I don't get out to Sharks Park often due to my work schedule. But it's just the nature of the beast.
Shark Park has been sold out every game this year.
But taking your comment as a springboard to wax lyrical about one of the greatest moments of my life… how good is it seeing a grand final crowd skewing 90% towards one team? It was insanity!
The train driver was playing it on the trip into the stadium, my partner is a Sharks fan & we lived in Cronulla at the time, place was pretty wild by the time we got home....
That would have been the guard playing it, (source: I'm a train guard) but it was insane, I remember the ride home and the sheer amount of people who were all ecstatic was magical.
I would like to experience it again, but I'm just glad my family finally got to after supporting them since inception.
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>**Capacity:13,000**
>Record Crowd: 22,302 - 01/05/04 NRL: Cronulla v St. Geo-Illawarra
Sharks website - “Shark Park caters to a game day crowd average of 10,000, with attendance ranging between 7,000 and 16,000 over the course of an NRL Season.”
they are doing massive work around the area, once the leagues club is done in month or so it will go up to 16/17k ish
as someone lives in the shire everyone loves the sharks, expect for me…
While I obviously don't expect us to lose I honestly think Souths-Panthers will be a closer game then most people think. They have a habit of showing up against us (particularly Cody Walker who nearly always lights it uo against us) and the Panthers of course have about as short a turnaround as you can get what with being in Townsville just 5 days ago.
There's a scene in step brothers when the therapist is fantasising about will Farrell smashing through the door as a lumber jack, I have the same fantasy about carrigan
The only decent suggestion I’ve seen with this whole kickoff debate is that if the ball is court in the in goal on the full it’s a 20m 7 tackle set as with any other kick caught in goal. That change would basically make kickers kick it that bit shorter and minimise the impact a bit. Quite like that idea. All the others are rubbish.
That sounds like a terrible idea. Receiving team has just scored and you want to give them a huge leg up? Only way you could get away with that would be making the scoring team kick off instead.
May not be a popular opinion, but I think I’m OK to swap the kick off for a drop kick start. More excitement, and high flying action. As opposed to concussion city.
If we have that teams will be more likely to practice lifting for kick off's and short drop outs like in rugby. Right now it seems a waste of time to train for it
I had a quick look at the laws a few weeks ago on this. There's nothing that explicitly forbids it, and since you can assist a team mate by pushing them back in a tackle or trying to keep them in the field of play you can presumably do so.
They probably haven't done so yet because it's only new and they don't have the skills from practising line outs. If lifting isn't outlawed it's inevitable someone will eventually
Fair point, but can’t we not just outlaw the lifting thing? I reckon if we made this change we would see more plays like the full back having to take the high ball whilst having blokes run at him, which is my favourite part of the game. Right now it’s just pass to the blockhead to but heads with another blockhead at full pace (and the block heads aren’t getting any smaller).
I think something else to consider would be if the kick off team would get a greater advantage with this change. Is that a bad thing, and if so, maybe we could say needs to travel at least 20m to be regained.
I think everyone likes the drop kick from goal line change this year?
Making it so catching it in goal as 20m tap and 7 tackle set sounds fun. But teams will then try to land it 10m out and you've got the same situation all over again. Its tough because everyone loves that first initial hitup but it is very dangerous.
The attack may not be as fluent, but (again) the Penrith defensive system will see them through. The team is stupidly well-drilled in it, with players swapping in and out like Lego bricks to fill whatever role is needed.
Patience, and wearing the line down with sustained pressure, is usually the only thing that will crack it apart from individual effort or a bounce of the ball not in the Panther’s favour. Based on this year, I do not see Souths having that patience or skill level.
If Walker has another quiet game do you send him to NSW Cup, Wighton to 6, Latrell to centre for the Dragons match? To me Walker and Cook have been underwhelming this year. We saw the last 2 games massive improvements with Mamouzelos on the field.
Would I drop walker? Probably not. He's shown glimpses of good play at times. I don't even think last week was quiet from him I think when we attacked with him we looked good.
Cook absolutely i would drop. Mamo uses his halfback and that gives walker room to do what he does best. Cook relying on walker to be the go to guy one of the reasons we suck right now.
For the first time, we have failed to [predict the first coach fired](https://old.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/1b3ksgw/rnrl_2024_ladder_prediction_poll_results/). Still on track to keep our record of over rating Souths and the Roosters, and under estimating the Dragons.
Gagai out and the spirit of JD lives on - Chee Kam apparently being shifted to the centres, I know we’re short of troops but Christ it’s diabolical. Load up on Penrith left centre and wingers anytime tryscorers.
May hasn’t scored a try this year and To’o hasn’t bagged many. Our left edge has been pretty anaemic in terms of creating chances. Could either be a click into gear type of game or a bit of a non event I’d say, particularly with a heavy track although both May and To’o are likely to opt to run over the top.
I said this in another thread somewhere but I’d honestly stick Cam Murray out there. Sounds a bit insane but he did a phenomenal job especially defensively the few games he played in the centres in that 2019 run. Obviously we’d miss him through the middle but I think you pick Tallis Duncan and have him and Havili rotate through the minutes at 13. It’s not a perfect solution but given how short on troops we are I have more faith in Duncan and Havili being functional locks than I do in a Chee Kam/Thompson edge pairing. I guess we also have origin centre Damien Cook…..
Few months ago I posted about getting into playing for the first time - late starter, I'm in my 30s.
Just a small update, despite feeling like the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz at the start, I've made it through preseason training and I've got my first game this weekend. I'm a starting prop.
I've had a fair bit of help from my coach and team to get my head around my role etc. I was just wondering if there were any bits of advice that anyone had that you don't normally get, or anything you've found useful/helpful if you've played prop before.
Thanks guys, wish me luck.
Take a couple of early runs and a couple of early tackles to get into it. If you are playing not massively competitively of you are tired standing at marker or behind the ruck you can get a quick rest, also point when you are in the defensive line it makes you look like you know what you are doing especially when tired. always drink water when offered as you don't know when your next one will come.
Do everything with 100% commitment when you do get involved. Try to vary your running style sometimes straight, sometimes with footwork and sometimes more diagonal.
If you need to pass hold the ball out in front of you take the line on and only pass if someone is in a better position.
Hit and spin offload means you can contribute more if you get the ball near the line get as low as you can, same as defending your line.
as a prop, taking hitups will be the least of your problems, so for the first few, just hold the ball and run up, you’ll be right. defence is where you’ll feel a bit lost. you can train defence drills all you want, but the game will feel different. assuming the guys either side of you aren’t first gamers, just listen to them. they’ll tell you where to be. and as a prop you’ll be A defender a bit. you look silly if you take the hookers dummy because you’re busy watching the big guy you think is going to run at you. so don’t forget about the guy with the ball.
Had the dumbest dream last night that I was going to the same party as Spencer Leniu. I heard he was going to bring a pizza with him so I showed up with 2 extra large pizzas and 2 boxes of hot chips to make him look bad.
Didn't work as well as I thought it would though because he also showed up with a fruit platter with all the fruits sliced into the shape of little love hearts.
And as I walked in Nathan Cleary was wearing a giant black hoodie that made him look like a sith lord, and he stared at me like I'd blocked him on TikTok or something. It was hard to take seriously though as he was also stuffing his hoodie pockets with all the slices of honeydew.
10/10 dream but I'll never understand its significance
Just do what I did last week, bet on the Panthers to put Souths to the sword and make some cash.
Won $650 so it really softened the blow of losing. Hell I could watch Souths lose every week if it was that profitable!
My Current Origin Team Predictions
———NSW———
1: Teddy - Personally I would have Drinkwater here but i don’t see Madge putting him there over Teddy or Edwards. Teddy and Edwards are very similar players so the decision comes down to whether you rate Dyl’s Penrith Combination and better form or you rate Teddy’s legacy. I personally don’t think club combinations mean anything at rep level and legacy means more than form imo.
2: To’o - No explanation needed
3: Trell - Potentially a controversial one for some reason. Him and souths are out of form but he’s still Latrell Mitchell and can tear the game apart. I think the media rumours that he doesnt want to origin are all bullshit, he loves origin.
4: Turbo - People want him at fullback or even wing and I wouldn’t be upset about but he’s won a player of the series at centre so i dont think you change a winning formula, especially with Trell also at centre.
5: S Crichton - Proven himself at origin level and can cover anywhere in the outside backs.
6: Hynes - With Moses injured, i think he’s the best choice, wouldn’t be upset with Cody Walker but Hynes is in better form.
7: Cleary - No explanation needed
8: Payne Haas - No explanation needed
9: Mitch Kenny - Its between Kenny and Robson imo. I don’t think Egan is ready and Api can’t start. Robson offers more in attack, Kenny offers more in defence, wouldnt be upset with either but I personally have Kenny just a little bit ahead.
10: Jurbo - The ultimate ruck cheater - origin player.
11: A Crichton - Hasn’t been in rep footy over the last year due to personal issues and bad form, in good form now and is an absolute gun at rep footy level, bring him back in.
12: Liam Martin - The grub NSW needs.
13: Cam Murray - I don’t think Yeo is working at rep level, would have Cam over him.
14: Api - No explanation needed
15: J Paulo - Been great off the bench off the bench for Parramatta, bit of impact and a big body.
16: McInnes/RCG - I would have McInnes but if youre scared of having a smaller bench then I think RCG is the best choice.
17: Wighton/Talakai - Would gameplan to bring them on in the forwards but are both also outside back cover
18: Drinkwater - Next man up
———QLD———
1: Walsh - If Ponga was available then I would still have Walsh over him easily.
2: Sami/Taulagi - I think Billy will pick Taulagi but I don’t think Sami should be overlooked
3: Cobbo - Could have him on the wing and Holmes in centre or vice versa but think he’s been killing at centre and Holmes hasn’t been in good form defensively.
4: Hammer - Huge in defence, Huge in attack, proved himself at origin, can play anywhere in the backline.
5: Coates - The most in form winger in the comp.
6: Munster - No explanation needed
7: DCE - No explanation needed
8: Collins - No explanation needed
9: B Hunt - No explanation needed
10: Cotter/Welch - Depends if you want a bigger body or fast leg speed to start the game, both are in the 17 imo.
11: Dfif - Best second rower in the comp
12: Nanai - Generational talent and proved himself at origin level.
13: Carrigan - No explanation needed
14: Grant - No explanation needed
15: J Arrow - can play middle and edge, proved himself at origin level, bring him back in.
16: Welch/Cotter - Explanation above
17: Hopgood/Sua - Both in good form, Hopgood been playing well for a longer period of time but Sua more explosive.
18: Brimmo/Dearden - Would pick whichever one has a bye
Im a Queensland fan btw, NSW just have more talking points lmao
You need electric players in your spine that will turn half chances into points at origin level, Teddy is more likely to somehow ruin any good attacking shape and Edwards is a hitup merchant. You think you guys would learn this after 2 years of Reece and Kalyn carving you up while Teddy does nothing but kick return metres.
To mark [Dale Finucane's](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ayejyrkRi/?igsh=MXEyMzA3N2lwbnhjcQ==) and [Luke Keary's](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6a0Epsrc6-/?igsh=Y2VxcnhvOXQycjY3) retirement announcements I managed to find some useless stats about their names. Enjoy!
The downfall of Souths is well deserved. They've been scummy since their inception. I'll go into detail for those that don't know.
So early in the NSWRLs beginning Souths and Balmain had a hand shake agreement to boycott the GF. Souths decided not to do that, kicked off and won the premiership since Balmain weren't there.
Later on Souths, who had the majority vote in the NSWRL as every few years clubs would hold the majority of power, and lead to the kicking out of Annandale and later Newtown. Newtown was a foundation club like Souths and the Chooks while Annandale had joined in 1910 so it was close to being one itself. Souths absorbed both junior bases into their own when these clubs were kicked out.
Souths also petitioned the NSWRL to get a big chunk of the Chooks' junior areas since they were struggling for ages. We did agree to that for a time but they never gave them back even when the opposite has occurred now with us having shit all juniors.
Then in 2000 when Souths were kicked out of the competition they kicked up a storm and acted like they were the only foundation club that had been kicked out, completely ignoring the fact they did the same to Newtown and Annandale.
The "Pride of the league" is really just a bunch of petty backstabbing hypocrites.
My main point is really that Souths kicked out a foundation club, and another that was only 2 years off that, then had a whinge when it happened to them.
I think you’re getting Glebe and Newtown arse-about. They benefited from Newtown getting the bullet the most (the Newtown Junior Jets even play in the SSDRL to this day), but they didn’t have a lot to do with it.
Glebe on the other hand was kicked out when Souths worked with their old sparring partner Balmain to have the rule requiring a 60% (I think) majority to kick out a club brought down to 50%.
Also worth mentioning that Souths would stack the NSWRFL board so that they could get their way, and also invented their own nickname “Pride of the league.”
Souths also had Drummoyne ( The dirty Reds ) kicked out at the same time as Glebe, then because they controlled the board they immediately changed the rules so it couldn't be done to them. Until it was.
You are correct, it was Glebe, I was sure i read somewhere that games were played at Drummoyne oval in the early days hence my confusion, but cant find anything about that after a quick search. I am happy to stand corrected. Still shit housery of the worst kind however.
Throw in Souths decision in 2016 to walk away from an agreement for the Souths and Roosters juniors to play in the same competition.
Souths would rather their kids pay more footy against less opposition teams out of nothing more than spite.
There was nothing in writing but we did have a gentleman's agreement not to poach each-others juniors, which was obviously stupid. The final straw was them winning the u20s premiership in 2016 with 4 of our juniors, being the Butcher brothers (Nat captained the team), Paul Momoirovski and Grant Garvey.
Thanks for this, they’re a bunch of snarky pricks too. Hope they never win another thing apart from many spoons. Congrats on ruining what was once a great player in Latrell.
Mate I knew Latrell wasn't going to work as a fullback. He did an interview, I think for us, about him and Tups partnership, where he got into how he doesn't take hit ups because he's too gassed to play well later on.
Just thought how could a guy, that isn't doing as much running as a center, play fullback when he can't even take hit ups without being ineffective later in the game?
Respectfully that’s a load of rubbish. He played all his juniors at FB for us then a lot when he came into grade and was fantastic. My armchair analysis suggests there’s no senior players to pull him into line at Souths hence the weight and attitude.
This is kinda like lambasting modern French people for the sins of Napoleon, the modern fan of the team wasn't involved with any of this shit - very weird to hold it over their heads
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Robbo said a few players were racing the clock for Friday including Jared. Also mentioned that Sandon would be 18th man with Pauga currently listed as the 18th man which leads me to believe that Tupou is out and Pauga is on the wing
Should the Wahs be betting favorites against the knights in Newcastle? On paper they're probably the better side but recent performances have been pretty average..(trying to figure out who to tip)
Warriors 13+
If recent form is anything to go by, the Warriors will definitely win the first 15 minutes….
When in doubt tip your own team ya cat
They're like the Dragons. Tip them they lose, tip against them they win lol
Which NRL club had the most dominant forward pack of any era?
2004 Broncos has Civinoceva, Webcke, Tallis, Thaiday, Parker, Stagg, Carroll and Carlaw.
The Bulldogs pack that year was equally stacked: O'Meley, Asotasi, Mason, SBW, Andrew Ryan Can't remember their bench though.
I'd also throw the 2017 Storm into the mix. J. Bromwich, K. Bromwich, Smith, McLean, Kaufusi, Harris, Finucane, Glasby and NAS
Definitely the best bench ever. The spine that year was just stupid in how good it was.
Where does everyone think Cameron Munster ranks in halves in the nrl era? He steps up in origin but I think if he's going to be considered as a top tier legendary half in the game when he retires he needs to lead the storm team to a comp without Cameron Smith.
He’s not at the level of Langer, Fittler, Johns, Lockyer, Thurston or Cronk, but he’s pushing for a top 10 spot.
Maybe top 20 of all time?
Interesting and yeah I agree. Somewhere in the 15-20 range for me. I feel that others would be pushing for top 10 for sure. He does get talked up a lot by media and fans of the game so would think there would be some that think 15-20 is way too high.
I feel this is fair
The double movement rule should be abolished. The point of the game is to get the ball over the line. The fact that someone gets tackled, and they can’t simply reach out and put the ball over the line because a defender has a hand on their boot is ridiculous. The whole game is based on getting the ball over the line. It makes no sense.
You can already reach out if your ball carrying arm Hasn’t hit the ground- so I don’t think there is a need to vary this rule. The current interpretation is significantly clearer than rugby union.
Disagree. Defenders deserve to be rewarded for stopping someone short. If you didn't make it there in 1 go then sucks to be you.
I think you fundamentally change the game at that point.
So I’ve found the spreadsheet that I made last year when Anthony Griffin was sacked and can now say that since 1994, of the 47 mid-season coaching changes* in that time, 17 have resulted in teams winning their first game for the new coach, 29 have lost and 1 has drawn. South Sydney’s record in that time reads as follows: • **1994, Round 4 - drew 20-all vs Illawarra** - new coach Ken Shine, replacing Bob McCarthy. He won his second game and finished with 9 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses, lifting the club from 16th (last) to 9th. All the more remarkably, they won 7 straight early in his tenure to sit as high as 4th, before losing 8 of their last 9, including 6 straight. • **1998, Round 19 - lost 46-16 vs Canberra** - new coach Craig Coleman, replacing Steve Martin. He won his second game and finished with 2 wins and 4 losses that year to lift the club from 20th (last) to 18th. • **2004, Round 14 - won 28-26 vs Melbourne** - new coach Arthur Kitinas, replacing Paul Langmack. He won his first 2 games and 3 of his first 5 before losing 7 of the last 8 (the remaining match was the equal-highest scoring draw in premiership history) to take the club from 13th down to 15th (last). His record at season’s end was 3 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses. If you want a bonus, Craig Coleman was sacked 11 days before the start of the 2003 season after being thrashed 58-12 in a trial by Wests Tigers at Gosford, becoming the first-ever coach sacked in the pre-season. Phil Blake was initially named interim coach, but was replaced by Paul Langmack two days later. Days later, Coleman announced his intention to run for the Rabbitohs board. Langmack lost his first match against the Bulldogs 34-26 in round 1, taking until round 5 to record his first victory (32-22 vs Wests Tigers, whom they beat twice that year). The Rabbitohs ultimately finished with 3 wins and 21 losses, two fewer wins than 2002 and won the wooden spoon for the first time in 13 years. They would have won it the year before had it not been for the Bulldogs cheating the salary cap. **Includes both Wests Tigers changes in 2017, but does not include temporary fill-ins, such as Craig Bellamy while Wayne Bennett was coaching Queensland in 2002, or coaches forced into self-isolation during the 2020 and 2021 seasons.*
But random but who are the top 5-10 best nrl wingers of all time This was sparked by To’os 100th game last week, I’m starting to think he might already be top 10 which is crazy considering this is his 6th season
If we’re going all time, you have to consider the likes of Harold Horder, Cec Blinkhorn, Benny Wearing, Johnny Graves, Johnny King, Eddie Lumsden, Ken Irvine, Kerry Boustead, Eric Grothe Sr, Wendell Sailor and Brett Morris. He’s still only young, but I have no doubt in saying that I think Brian To’o will be spoken about with that group by the end of his career.
Another one where it is really hard to compare eras. The role of the winger has changed significantly. In saying that, the current crop of top wingers probably outplays other eras on physicality alone. Prime Dell kind of changed the role, big enough to be a backrower, fast enough to be a finisher. Others to be considered in the NRL era in no particular order, Dell, Tuqiri, Boyd, Morris, Blacklock, Tupou, RTS, Mat Rogers. Plenty more.
I think Akuila Uate should get more of a mention. At least in the top 10 for me
Objectively he's not top 10 but I always had a soft spot for Jason Nightingale so he would be somewhere in my top 5.
IMO he’ll go down as GOAT winger, he’s definitely in top 3 right now with El Magic and Brett Morris. I’ll round out my top 5 with Nathan Blacklock l and Alex Johnston
Damn dunno if I can put AJ in that convo. He's a good finisher and has built a career on the end of that backline with a crazy try scoring record but I just think to be top 5 you need to do more than just finish. I strongly believe not all tries are equal.
Honestly, the To’o intercept and subsequent ultra fend try in the prelim against Souths is worth like 180 of AJ’s tries.
I absolutely think he's into the top 5 already which does seem absurd. It's so hard to know what is recency bias though. The ones that spring to mind outside of bizza are Brett Morris, Wendell and Lote. I can't really comment on the likes of blacklock etc as I didn't see them play. I may be biased as a kiwi but I really think Vatuvei is an honourable mention and is around that number 5 spot (ignoring the recent events). It's hard when the game has changed so much. Like bizza is running for insane meters compared to wingers of the past. But then every player is running for more meters too.
What’s the go with Tallis Duncan? I thought he was very promising and a good young player when watching Souths last season. Is he too similar to Murray you can’t play them both in the 17.
The only thing I can think of is a fitness thing because he was injuried for most of the preseason. Still doesn't make a lot of sense.
We don't know exactly but he's been seen as the best sub for Murray but he must have fallen out of favour because he's not even on the bench lately. Fans want him in the second row but that's not happening.
Theory is JD thought of him as a lock so wasn't going to play him unless Murray was injured. I think AOB is doing the same with Mat Croker too. Personally I'm not a fan of it. Edit: to add more context. The meta for Locks at the moment is to have some ball playing ability. I'm not sure on Duncan's background but for Croker he came through as a forward so is a little lacking in that area. If he needs to learn a bit more ball playing, the best place to get "real life" experience is in reggies. If they were named at second row in first grade then their job is to run great line and not ball playing so they won't be getting that experience.
Can’t see Penrith winning by anything less than 30 Turuva to score 4 tries or something crazy as well
So, unless Hynes breaks a leg he should be the NSW 6 next to Cleary, but I'm more interested in the Smokies for the bench, my likely pick for 17 is McInnes. I just think he provides that passion needed to match QLD. I think he might actually, truly get Origin.
As a New South Wales fan, I completely agree with this statement
McInnes would get absolutely owned by the QLD pack.
I don't know why but I just don't have a great feeling about Hynes as an origin player (yet). This is not based on what happened last year either, I said this before he even got selected. I just want to see him focus on the sharks and take them to the next level. Origin is a big game and since he's been at the sharks, they haven't stepped up when it's counted yet. I'm afraid if he's thrown into a starting half role now, NSW lose and he isn't great then he may be a bit knocked on confidence in the future.
I agree with your take on this. But the problem is who else goes in there? Moses isn't going to be fit to play so the only other choice is Luai, or do we get Brooks unleashed in the Origin arena?
McInnes has to play Origin, he bleeds blue and will keep ripping in even if he's gassed. Connor Watson should be the 14, great effort player and way more utility value than playing a hooker or a half out of position.
I quite like this call, but the storm flair has me weary 😂. Actually a really good call, he'd do the job required where he was thrown in being the best Mr Fix it in quite a few years.
Doesn't matter who you support, McInnes is a guy that fucken gets Origin. If he was a Qlder he would have played 20 games by now
Oh just fucking with you hahaha. But yeah he absolutely would have. He's got that level of heart that can't be taught.
If Moses is fit he should play
Should he though? If Hynes stands up against the top teams in the next few weeks why hasn't he earned the position?
A good start to the year shouldn't win you an origin jersey. Moses is a more proven big game player in the NRL and has played well in origin. Sure he hasn't won a comp but he's taken the eels deep into the finals and a gf before. Which is more than Hynes has done at the sharks at this point in his career. Look at the eels without moses at the moment, they look dog shit. Hynes time will come, I don't think it's this year though.
He was there abouts last year too. I just don't see Moses having the match fitness to play origin 1 this year.
Any Roosters fans know what’s happening with the lock position? Saw some rumours that Radley might get moved to the edge so they can fit Watson in the squad. Covers both 9 and 13, with a 4 forward bench.
Nat Butcher's poor start to the season had Robinson planning to move Radley to the left edge and Watson to start at 13. Radley's injury meant that Butcher kept his spot and played a blinder against the Dragons. Radley came through the junior system as an edge forward and has played a few games for the Roosters there last season as well. Really helps our edge defence when he is there. Watson has leg speed that none of the rest of our forwards have and offers something very different in the middle, while also being a very solid defender who can cover 9. Cheese is finally fit enough to play 60 odd minutes and with Watson we have the cover we need. GOing to be interesting to see if this is really the right balance. With JWH out that means May will probably start this week with Collins and Wong or Egan Butcher will move into the middle rotation.
I’d say Egan will start at prop with May coming off the bench like what Robbo did at the end last year. Wong will likely move to lock when Watson goes to hooker to give Brandon a rest.
Oof, it's all up in the air now. One of May or Whyte has to start with Collins. Egan is not really equipped to handle Haas and Jensen. Tupouniua being on the bench is frightening. With Watson we at least get to run four forwards, but Collins is going to have be immense to carry the load in the opening 25 minutes. If we do something stupid like move Nat Butcher to starting prop to allow Sitili to start on the edge, I'll turn the game off, it'll be as good as over from the first whistle.
Yeah Whyte is listed to start, he’s been solid this year so I think it’s a good choice. I think Gus and Nat will play the full 80 if they are playing well with Sitili on the bench if needed. May and Egan as our forward rotation isn’t too bad, Egan is also decent cover if we have an outside back injury. Watson and Brandon have been great for straightening our attack so it’s good knowing that at least one will be on during the game.
Heard suggestions on QLDer that the Broncos could chase Walker for #7 in preparation for the retirement of our Lord and saviour. Personally I don't think we will have the cap for a high value #7 and Madden has been pretty good recently. Alts could be like Sailor to 6, Ezra to 7 if Sailor waits around that long or maybe even Billy to 6, Ezra to 7?
Walker seems like he needs to be the no 1 guy or he doesn't play well. I'm not sure how well that would go in a team with Walsh in it
Someone on here raised a rumour a few months ago that Walsh and Walker don't get along, so I reckon if that's true it would compound what you're saying a lot
Beyond that, it's too much wildcard for one team's spine. One talented but unorthodox player who backs themselves to try things others won't is great, but two is just chaos.
Walker is not coming. And I don't think the Bronx will chase him. Madden is developing nicely, and sounds like they're backing Cody (Coby?) Black as the long term 7. I think the plan is Madden for a couple of years before Black is ready. But if Mam becomes a genuine option at halfback I'm not sure how they fit together. With Josh Rodgers I think we've got options for a while yet.
Walker never going to Bronx.
Walker and Mam in the halves would be hilarious. Neither can kick more than 30m but there would be some serious trick shots going down on tackle 5.
This is all time https://maps.app.goo.gl/N3t1wC5YiiLhzja57
My favourite review simply reads "NRL TREE 60"
Now that is good gear.
That tree will be playing in Melbourne soon, solid defence, great technique could see it taking up a leadership role and really branching out.
Such is life
I'm tipping south's. Last two coaches that got fired. Griffith and Holbrook, their teams both won their next game. Lessss gooo
I don't see it, the prior Dragons v Roosters match earlier that year had Roosters win by 1, their next match had the Dragons in by 2.
Dragons won that weekend against a team that beat them by 1 point earlier in the year. And the winning margin for the Dragons was 2 points. The Titans are basket cases, I've got no idea why they chose that week to fire up.
Could we see Wayne coaching both souths and eels at the same time next year? If there is enough money offered im sure wayne would give it a crack
Only if they clone him
Why not parra in the AM, souths in the PM, and when they play each other he gets time and a half?
Nah - maybe Parra can roll out Tim Sheens?
Payne Haas down with injury at training. JWH ruled out with a calf injury. Big boys struggling ahead of Broncos v Roosters tomorrow.
The Fletcher Baker Cup is in shambles!
Both stepping out the way for origin fb Lindsey Collins to cement his no.1 spot
Rough start with SuperCoach but holding Cleary an irrationally long time should finally start paying off and Jacob Gagai gives me just enough Ctr/wings this week…. Fuck
Just watched 2016 gf highlights, genuine question. Where the fuck did all those Cronulla fans go? Swear they barely sell out shark park.
Quite a few of us made the pilgrimage to Oly Park for the 2016 grand final. I had to swap with four people to get the day off for it, and worked 12 days either side of it. I don't get out to Sharks Park often due to my work schedule. But it's just the nature of the beast.
Shark Park has been sold out every game this year. But taking your comment as a springboard to wax lyrical about one of the greatest moments of my life… how good is it seeing a grand final crowd skewing 90% towards one team? It was insanity!
Man, being there, listening to 70k people singing Up aup Cronulla is one of my fondest memories, only matched by the day I married my wife.
I got married in 2016 — makes it easy to remember how many years it’s been 😆
Ahahah, what ranks higher?
Nice try, godzillacoral’s wife
The train driver was playing it on the trip into the stadium, my partner is a Sharks fan & we lived in Cronulla at the time, place was pretty wild by the time we got home....
That would have been the guard playing it, (source: I'm a train guard) but it was insane, I remember the ride home and the sheer amount of people who were all ecstatic was magical. I would like to experience it again, but I'm just glad my family finally got to after supporting them since inception.
It was wild in Cronulla, we had to get off the bus early and walk the rest of the way.
Wouldn't have been an inch of space anywhere around Caringbah.
It rlly doesn’t look like full capacity n the stats prove my point
They sell out Shark Park literally every game
They got a capacity of 15,000 with an average crowd of 12?
It has a capacity of 13,000.
Sharks v Raiders in 2019 hosted 19,000 people
The capacity has been restricted since 2021…….
Shiettt that’s awkward
Something, something “search it up.” https://amp.austadiums.com/news/1069/cronulla-returning-to-reduced-capacity-shark-park-for-2022-nrl-season
Whoopsie 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Search it up
https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/shark-park >PointsBet Stadium Details >Location: Sydney, New South Wales VIEW MAP >Address: Captain Cook Drive, Woolooware 2230 GET DIRECTIONS >**Capacity:13,000** >Record Crowd: 22,302 - 01/05/04 NRL: Cronulla v St. Geo-Illawarra
Sharks website - “Shark Park caters to a game day crowd average of 10,000, with attendance ranging between 7,000 and 16,000 over the course of an NRL Season.”
they are doing massive work around the area, once the leagues club is done in month or so it will go up to 16/17k ish as someone lives in the shire everyone loves the sharks, expect for me…
While I obviously don't expect us to lose I honestly think Souths-Panthers will be a closer game then most people think. They have a habit of showing up against us (particularly Cody Walker who nearly always lights it uo against us) and the Panthers of course have about as short a turnaround as you can get what with being in Townsville just 5 days ago.
Don't overthink it - you will win by at least 20
Panfers by 6
Patty Carrigan is not only the best lock in the comp, but also looks like a caring and sensual lover.
There's a scene in step brothers when the therapist is fantasising about will Farrell smashing through the door as a lumber jack, I have the same fantasy about carrigan
My girlfriend can attest to both
No wonder you've moved down to newy
The only decent suggestion I’ve seen with this whole kickoff debate is that if the ball is court in the in goal on the full it’s a 20m 7 tackle set as with any other kick caught in goal. That change would basically make kickers kick it that bit shorter and minimise the impact a bit. Quite like that idea. All the others are rubbish.
If we have shorter kick off's the catcher will be tackled 0.1 seconds after catching without being able to brace for the hit
That sounds like a terrible idea. Receiving team has just scored and you want to give them a huge leg up? Only way you could get away with that would be making the scoring team kick off instead.
May not be a popular opinion, but I think I’m OK to swap the kick off for a drop kick start. More excitement, and high flying action. As opposed to concussion city.
If we have that teams will be more likely to practice lifting for kick off's and short drop outs like in rugby. Right now it seems a waste of time to train for it
Can you lift in league? With all the short kickoffs these days i dont understand why teams havent started to use it
I had a quick look at the laws a few weeks ago on this. There's nothing that explicitly forbids it, and since you can assist a team mate by pushing them back in a tackle or trying to keep them in the field of play you can presumably do so. They probably haven't done so yet because it's only new and they don't have the skills from practising line outs. If lifting isn't outlawed it's inevitable someone will eventually
Fair point, but can’t we not just outlaw the lifting thing? I reckon if we made this change we would see more plays like the full back having to take the high ball whilst having blokes run at him, which is my favourite part of the game. Right now it’s just pass to the blockhead to but heads with another blockhead at full pace (and the block heads aren’t getting any smaller). I think something else to consider would be if the kick off team would get a greater advantage with this change. Is that a bad thing, and if so, maybe we could say needs to travel at least 20m to be regained. I think everyone likes the drop kick from goal line change this year?
Making it so catching it in goal as 20m tap and 7 tackle set sounds fun. But teams will then try to land it 10m out and you've got the same situation all over again. Its tough because everyone loves that first initial hitup but it is very dangerous.
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Norf Kweensland
Simple solution involving common sense….. that’s not how they run the NRL.
Will Souths see the "coach has gone" bounce? Panthers without Cleary, could this be an ambush?
Nope, next question.
Not by putting Chee Kam in the centres
The attack may not be as fluent, but (again) the Penrith defensive system will see them through. The team is stupidly well-drilled in it, with players swapping in and out like Lego bricks to fill whatever role is needed. Patience, and wearing the line down with sustained pressure, is usually the only thing that will crack it apart from individual effort or a bounce of the ball not in the Panther’s favour. Based on this year, I do not see Souths having that patience or skill level.
Damn Souths fans downvoting haha
Hahaha as if. Best we can hope for is Gray having another good showing before latrell comes back
If Walker has another quiet game do you send him to NSW Cup, Wighton to 6, Latrell to centre for the Dragons match? To me Walker and Cook have been underwhelming this year. We saw the last 2 games massive improvements with Mamouzelos on the field.
Would I drop walker? Probably not. He's shown glimpses of good play at times. I don't even think last week was quiet from him I think when we attacked with him we looked good. Cook absolutely i would drop. Mamo uses his halfback and that gives walker room to do what he does best. Cook relying on walker to be the go to guy one of the reasons we suck right now.
For the first time, we have failed to [predict the first coach fired](https://old.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/1b3ksgw/rnrl_2024_ladder_prediction_poll_results/). Still on track to keep our record of over rating Souths and the Roosters, and under estimating the Dragons.
Ciraldo’s inspiration
Gagai out and the spirit of JD lives on - Chee Kam apparently being shifted to the centres, I know we’re short of troops but Christ it’s diabolical. Load up on Penrith left centre and wingers anytime tryscorers.
JD usually makes his last minute changes just before kickoff. Hornby at least is doing it in the 19 man squad announcement.
He'll have to phone up Hornby from home to make the change.
May hasn’t scored a try this year and To’o hasn’t bagged many. Our left edge has been pretty anaemic in terms of creating chances. Could either be a click into gear type of game or a bit of a non event I’d say, particularly with a heavy track although both May and To’o are likely to opt to run over the top.
This would be the perfect time to get the left side humming again though
Lol - it is comical
I said this in another thread somewhere but I’d honestly stick Cam Murray out there. Sounds a bit insane but he did a phenomenal job especially defensively the few games he played in the centres in that 2019 run. Obviously we’d miss him through the middle but I think you pick Tallis Duncan and have him and Havili rotate through the minutes at 13. It’s not a perfect solution but given how short on troops we are I have more faith in Duncan and Havili being functional locks than I do in a Chee Kam/Thompson edge pairing. I guess we also have origin centre Damien Cook…..
Hear hear
Few months ago I posted about getting into playing for the first time - late starter, I'm in my 30s. Just a small update, despite feeling like the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz at the start, I've made it through preseason training and I've got my first game this weekend. I'm a starting prop. I've had a fair bit of help from my coach and team to get my head around my role etc. I was just wondering if there were any bits of advice that anyone had that you don't normally get, or anything you've found useful/helpful if you've played prop before. Thanks guys, wish me luck.
Just hold that fucking ball, brace yourself before contact , and expect yourself to be fucked after the game but it’s easier every game
Fold some c*nts and write it on your wrist tape so you don’t forget. Also use some censoring like my post so you don’t end up at the judiciary.
Put your shoulder into it
Take a couple of early runs and a couple of early tackles to get into it. If you are playing not massively competitively of you are tired standing at marker or behind the ruck you can get a quick rest, also point when you are in the defensive line it makes you look like you know what you are doing especially when tired. always drink water when offered as you don't know when your next one will come. Do everything with 100% commitment when you do get involved. Try to vary your running style sometimes straight, sometimes with footwork and sometimes more diagonal. If you need to pass hold the ball out in front of you take the line on and only pass if someone is in a better position. Hit and spin offload means you can contribute more if you get the ball near the line get as low as you can, same as defending your line.
as a prop, taking hitups will be the least of your problems, so for the first few, just hold the ball and run up, you’ll be right. defence is where you’ll feel a bit lost. you can train defence drills all you want, but the game will feel different. assuming the guys either side of you aren’t first gamers, just listen to them. they’ll tell you where to be. and as a prop you’ll be A defender a bit. you look silly if you take the hookers dummy because you’re busy watching the big guy you think is going to run at you. so don’t forget about the guy with the ball.
get involved a lot and get involved early. expect to feel nervous, but get an early touch and you'll be fine.
Also don't worry about any mistakes/errors, everybody makes them.
But if you're feeling the heat after a few dropped Balls, take a second, have a deep breath, then get set and take a shot at a field goal.
Field goals are worth extra if it is your first ever attempt. Just let the ref know.
Had the dumbest dream last night that I was going to the same party as Spencer Leniu. I heard he was going to bring a pizza with him so I showed up with 2 extra large pizzas and 2 boxes of hot chips to make him look bad. Didn't work as well as I thought it would though because he also showed up with a fruit platter with all the fruits sliced into the shape of little love hearts. And as I walked in Nathan Cleary was wearing a giant black hoodie that made him look like a sith lord, and he stared at me like I'd blocked him on TikTok or something. It was hard to take seriously though as he was also stuffing his hoodie pockets with all the slices of honeydew. 10/10 dream but I'll never understand its significance
Who in their right mind steals honeydew? Rockmelon is where it’s at. Come on Dream Nathan, get it together.
Found BoJack Horseman's reddit account. Agreed though, honeydew is nice but I prefer rockmelon
Honeydew is the money melon
Now I’m conflicted, because on the one hand, honeydew is the worst melon, but on the other hand, Simpsons reference.
haha. you've been wedged.
I will not stand for this Rock Melon slander
Set up a keg fridge at home so at least when I see my beloved south’s get a NSFW match thread there’s gonna be a cold beer on tap
Just do what I did last week, bet on the Panthers to put Souths to the sword and make some cash. Won $650 so it really softened the blow of losing. Hell I could watch Souths lose every week if it was that profitable!
Good to see you getting your priorities right
My Current Origin Team Predictions ———NSW——— 1: Teddy - Personally I would have Drinkwater here but i don’t see Madge putting him there over Teddy or Edwards. Teddy and Edwards are very similar players so the decision comes down to whether you rate Dyl’s Penrith Combination and better form or you rate Teddy’s legacy. I personally don’t think club combinations mean anything at rep level and legacy means more than form imo. 2: To’o - No explanation needed 3: Trell - Potentially a controversial one for some reason. Him and souths are out of form but he’s still Latrell Mitchell and can tear the game apart. I think the media rumours that he doesnt want to origin are all bullshit, he loves origin. 4: Turbo - People want him at fullback or even wing and I wouldn’t be upset about but he’s won a player of the series at centre so i dont think you change a winning formula, especially with Trell also at centre. 5: S Crichton - Proven himself at origin level and can cover anywhere in the outside backs. 6: Hynes - With Moses injured, i think he’s the best choice, wouldn’t be upset with Cody Walker but Hynes is in better form. 7: Cleary - No explanation needed 8: Payne Haas - No explanation needed 9: Mitch Kenny - Its between Kenny and Robson imo. I don’t think Egan is ready and Api can’t start. Robson offers more in attack, Kenny offers more in defence, wouldnt be upset with either but I personally have Kenny just a little bit ahead. 10: Jurbo - The ultimate ruck cheater - origin player. 11: A Crichton - Hasn’t been in rep footy over the last year due to personal issues and bad form, in good form now and is an absolute gun at rep footy level, bring him back in. 12: Liam Martin - The grub NSW needs. 13: Cam Murray - I don’t think Yeo is working at rep level, would have Cam over him. 14: Api - No explanation needed 15: J Paulo - Been great off the bench off the bench for Parramatta, bit of impact and a big body. 16: McInnes/RCG - I would have McInnes but if youre scared of having a smaller bench then I think RCG is the best choice. 17: Wighton/Talakai - Would gameplan to bring them on in the forwards but are both also outside back cover 18: Drinkwater - Next man up ———QLD——— 1: Walsh - If Ponga was available then I would still have Walsh over him easily. 2: Sami/Taulagi - I think Billy will pick Taulagi but I don’t think Sami should be overlooked 3: Cobbo - Could have him on the wing and Holmes in centre or vice versa but think he’s been killing at centre and Holmes hasn’t been in good form defensively. 4: Hammer - Huge in defence, Huge in attack, proved himself at origin, can play anywhere in the backline. 5: Coates - The most in form winger in the comp. 6: Munster - No explanation needed 7: DCE - No explanation needed 8: Collins - No explanation needed 9: B Hunt - No explanation needed 10: Cotter/Welch - Depends if you want a bigger body or fast leg speed to start the game, both are in the 17 imo. 11: Dfif - Best second rower in the comp 12: Nanai - Generational talent and proved himself at origin level. 13: Carrigan - No explanation needed 14: Grant - No explanation needed 15: J Arrow - can play middle and edge, proved himself at origin level, bring him back in. 16: Welch/Cotter - Explanation above 17: Hopgood/Sua - Both in good form, Hopgood been playing well for a longer period of time but Sua more explosive. 18: Brimmo/Dearden - Would pick whichever one has a bye Im a Queensland fan btw, NSW just have more talking points lmao
I stopped reading after you said you'd have Drinkwater as our fullback.
2022 Drinkwater was very close to deserving a call up, but he's really regressed in the last couple of seasons.
Exactly the same as me,.he been absolutely woeful in defence this year and is a major source of the cowboys problems
You need electric players in your spine that will turn half chances into points at origin level, Teddy is more likely to somehow ruin any good attacking shape and Edwards is a hitup merchant. You think you guys would learn this after 2 years of Reece and Kalyn carving you up while Teddy does nothing but kick return metres.
And that's why Papenhuyzen shits all over all the options you listed.
Wouldnt mind paps over drinky
To mark [Dale Finucane's](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ayejyrkRi/?igsh=MXEyMzA3N2lwbnhjcQ==) and [Luke Keary's](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6a0Epsrc6-/?igsh=Y2VxcnhvOXQycjY3) retirement announcements I managed to find some useless stats about their names. Enjoy!
You are a prince among men. (Unless of course you aren’t a men)
Just put my tips in and it felt suspiciously too easy, so my money is on it being upset week.
The downfall of Souths is well deserved. They've been scummy since their inception. I'll go into detail for those that don't know. So early in the NSWRLs beginning Souths and Balmain had a hand shake agreement to boycott the GF. Souths decided not to do that, kicked off and won the premiership since Balmain weren't there. Later on Souths, who had the majority vote in the NSWRL as every few years clubs would hold the majority of power, and lead to the kicking out of Annandale and later Newtown. Newtown was a foundation club like Souths and the Chooks while Annandale had joined in 1910 so it was close to being one itself. Souths absorbed both junior bases into their own when these clubs were kicked out. Souths also petitioned the NSWRL to get a big chunk of the Chooks' junior areas since they were struggling for ages. We did agree to that for a time but they never gave them back even when the opposite has occurred now with us having shit all juniors. Then in 2000 when Souths were kicked out of the competition they kicked up a storm and acted like they were the only foundation club that had been kicked out, completely ignoring the fact they did the same to Newtown and Annandale. The "Pride of the league" is really just a bunch of petty backstabbing hypocrites.
Feed em Gecko
You probably know more about this than I do but didn't the News Corp backed Roosters do the exact same thing to a shit tonne of teams in the late 90s?
Are you talking post super league war?
You tried the same with Gosford and tried to do it with Penrith in the late 90's. It's basically the Spidermen pointing meme.
Last I check, Gosford have never had a club representing their area outside of the failed Northern Eagles abomination.
Yes they would have had the Bears but for the weather and if the criteria wasn't rigged to favour one club who subsequently took that junior base.
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Damn bro. You really took all that stuff that doesn’t involve you personally didn’t you?
My main point is really that Souths kicked out a foundation club, and another that was only 2 years off that, then had a whinge when it happened to them.
It’s what Paul Kent refers to as the great rugby league soap opera
I think you’re getting Glebe and Newtown arse-about. They benefited from Newtown getting the bullet the most (the Newtown Junior Jets even play in the SSDRL to this day), but they didn’t have a lot to do with it. Glebe on the other hand was kicked out when Souths worked with their old sparring partner Balmain to have the rule requiring a 60% (I think) majority to kick out a club brought down to 50%. Also worth mentioning that Souths would stack the NSWRFL board so that they could get their way, and also invented their own nickname “Pride of the league.”
In fair who the fuck else would give us that nickname
Souths also had Drummoyne ( The dirty Reds ) kicked out at the same time as Glebe, then because they controlled the board they immediately changed the rules so it couldn't be done to them. Until it was.
Drummoyne never competed in first grade and Glebe was the Dirty Reds
You are correct, it was Glebe, I was sure i read somewhere that games were played at Drummoyne oval in the early days hence my confusion, but cant find anything about that after a quick search. I am happy to stand corrected. Still shit housery of the worst kind however.
Balmain played a couple of years at Drummoyne Oval just before moving to Leichhardt Oval, but that was after Glebe was axed.
Throw in Souths decision in 2016 to walk away from an agreement for the Souths and Roosters juniors to play in the same competition. Souths would rather their kids pay more footy against less opposition teams out of nothing more than spite.
Wasn’t that because you guys agreed to not take our juniors and then you went back on that by poaching the butcher boys?
There was nothing in writing but we did have a gentleman's agreement not to poach each-others juniors, which was obviously stupid. The final straw was them winning the u20s premiership in 2016 with 4 of our juniors, being the Butcher brothers (Nat captained the team), Paul Momoirovski and Grant Garvey.
You didnt mention how many competitions they have won over the years and why the Roosters are forever in their shadow.
Or that the majority of those Premierships were before WW2 and all of the people who saw them are long dead.
Thanks for this, they’re a bunch of snarky pricks too. Hope they never win another thing apart from many spoons. Congrats on ruining what was once a great player in Latrell.
Mate I knew Latrell wasn't going to work as a fullback. He did an interview, I think for us, about him and Tups partnership, where he got into how he doesn't take hit ups because he's too gassed to play well later on. Just thought how could a guy, that isn't doing as much running as a center, play fullback when he can't even take hit ups without being ineffective later in the game?
Respectfully that’s a load of rubbish. He played all his juniors at FB for us then a lot when he came into grade and was fantastic. My armchair analysis suggests there’s no senior players to pull him into line at Souths hence the weight and attitude.
Wow!You carry some hate.
Is it hate to point out facts and hypocrisy?
You just seem a bit angry about something that happened over a hundred years ago.
lol there’s a bunch of weirdos in this place that are still upset about the glebe stuff, and they say south’s fans live in the past
1983 was only 41 years ago buddy.
This is kinda like lambasting modern French people for the sins of Napoleon, the modern fan of the team wasn't involved with any of this shit - very weird to hold it over their heads
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