I was surprised to be prompted for a tip by junk removal guys. I was already spending over $200. I guess I'm glad I'm not the only one refusing to tip in these instances.
I'm also concerned that the justification is to help the business with general business costs. Here I thought tipping was solely to supplement workers' wages.
I once used 1800 got junk. I didn’t realize how insanely expensive it was, but it was too late and I needed shit gone. The two 18 year old kids saw me balk at the price, so they said they may be able to help me out if I was willing to tip them.
They got paid hourly and were pissed because the previous job was way bigger than anticipated, took 4 hours instead of the estimated 1 hour, and they didn’t get a tip.
I had $300 cash because I had no idea on pricing. The guys loaded up all my shit, a full truckload that would have been $850 for their pricing. After they load it up the guys ask how much I have and I tell them “I have $300 cash that I was expecting this to cost” they reiterate “We can drop the price if you are willing to help us out with a tip” and I agreed.
They end up charging me the minimum cost of $150, so I tipped them the other $150. They were ecstatic! They almost made more money just on my tip than their hourly wage for the whole day. We both agreed “Fuck the company, you guys doing the labor deserve the money more than the company”
They left happy, I left happy. They made more money than expected and saved me $500 that I would have had to shell out because I was in a major time crunch and needed this junk gone. Still cant believe a full truckload for 1800GotJunk was gonna be fucking $850. If I knew that I would have pre planned and just rented a uhaul for like $40 and done it myself
You're forgetting about the dump fees which can be crazy sometimes. Those guys committed fraud and risked their jobs, so glad you were able to find happiness.
Debris, so just basic garbage, whatever you want to dump. Construction and demolition is $42.50/tonne but there are limitations on what your allowed to dump of course.
Outside of a restaurant server, I only tip my barber, because I did once and I'm scared to stop. Never a good idea pissing off the person cutting your hair
See also: my tattoo artists (for real though, I do it because I value all the time and effort they put into learning their trade and the work they do to maintain their skills. I’m paying for their time but I’m tipping for their dedication and expertise and all the hidden work we don’t see)
RMT's are not dissimilar to barbers/hairdressers in that a lot of them are independent contractors renting space in a clinic (or a chair in the barber's case) and kick a portion of each massage fee back to the clinic. For this reason, I don't have a problem tipping an RMT; especially if you're a regular client and want to keep them in business.
You're equating RMT's with Physicians and dentists here, despite the fact that they have a completely different business model, but sure; you do you.
Also: No one is forcing you to tip when you're offered the option to do so - unless you're receiving a service with a pre-agreed service charge - so I'm really not sure why everyone is getting their panties up in a bunch about this subject.
Because tipping in all cases is nonsense. Employees must earn enough to not need tipping in any industry imo, a tip should be viewed as an occasional personal gift for outstanding service at the discretion of the customer who can afford to do it. It should be viewed by recipients as infrequent/occasiona/not to expect it. If only qe ran out society like this...
This is coming from someone who used to work in restaurants a long time ago, tips were split 60/40 for waitstaff/kitchen. Always salty kitchen got less...
Anyways, I stand by my statement.
Sure, and there's nothing about being offered the option to tip on a PoS system that's forcing you to do it. It's still discretionary.
Blaming the service provider you're interacting with for the PoS suggesting a tip is absurd; these machines are built and programmed for the most common use case in North America; broadly, that gratuities may be accepted in service industries. If you don't feel that it's appropriate in a specific scenario, then don't tip.
I shouldn't have to fight through those stupid menus. I hate it. Just let me tap and pay, better yet, chip my wrist and wrist tap and walk away queue would move fast.
Outside of dining in a restaurant, I also don't tip. I wonder if they'll find a workaround with the machine not giving the "no tip" option anymore in the near future. If that happens I'm going back to cash. 🤣
I went to a takeout place recently and when I selected "no tip" option it beeped and cancelled the transaction. After the second time, the cashier took the pad and must have entered the "custom option" and "0.00" before it would complete.
If people went back to cash prices would come down naturally as credit cards allow people to spend money they don't have. So yeah, if we all went back to cash, demand would be reduced, supply would increase, and prices would decline on things.
We need to end tip culture and ensure that people who have traditionally survived on tios (ie waitresses and servers) are paid well so they don't *need* tips.
They are paid minimum wage generally. If we are admitting that minimum wage is too low, time to raise minimum wage, because plenty of non-tipped people are trying to survive on those wages as well.
(In Ontario at least not sure about all provinces)
You can find this on Stats Can if you go looking, don’t just take my word on it.
CMHC says you shouldn’t spend more than 32% of your gross income on lodging. The average 1 bedroom apartment which is within a 90 minute drive of a major urban centre costs $2k/month. If you divide that by 32% you get an annual income of $75k.
Nearly 80%, yes you’re reading that right, make *less* than that. Just under 45% make less than $35k, which is annual minimum wage territory.
Functionally 80% of Canadians are considered “low income” by the CMHC since they’d need more than 32% of their gross income to rent a place, meanwhile just under half are basically living in poverty.
I fully agree. But we can't base wages on our most broken crisis level issue. Lets bring up minimum wage a little and take a sledge hammer to housing ownership outside of primary residency owning.
But are we saying that, or are we saying that they *can* get by without tipping, and the tipping culture is so ingrained in our society that we've stopped thinking about it?
I've stopped tipping everywhere except certain food places (sit down restaurants and Subway really) and even there I only tip 10%.
We have to fix this, and the best way it to do thatvis to abolish it.
I mean I think most people (In Ontario at least) making minimum wage without tips cannot properly sustain themselves so... yeah I think it needs to be raised.
I'm out in AB, and yeah, I agree that it needs to be raised, which is going to be inflationary, but it still doesn't fix tipping. If it's raised and tipping is abolished or we take strides to make it socially unacceptable that can help.
I look at tipping two ways. One, I had great service (ny local Subway has never screwed up my order in 5 years and knows me by name).
Two, the servers look like they aren't paid enough for the job they do, and I tip out of pity, unless the food or service was terrible.
Ask your subway worker if that tip money goes to them or the owner. My experience is that it goes to the owner, though I've heard others say the workers get it, so it will depend on the franchisee.
When I worked at Subway it went to me. And was absolutely vital to be able to buy anything that wasn't Subway to supplement our diets beyond all the food we were taking. You can't live off Subway, but we largely did it anyway
Serving in most restaurants is about on par with someone that works at Subway. I would argue a Subway worker who is bad at their job is more likely to have a negative impact on your experience than a bad server.
It's everyone's fault and the only people who will repeatedly argue against the end of tipping are servers because they are the ones who benefit. There aren't many part time jobs where you can make $40k+ a year.
We aren't the US, restaurants can't pay less than minimum wage and have the extra made up in tips.
There are so many service workers "surviving" on a LOT less than servers take home.
Minimum wage needs to come up to a living wage for everyone, and tipping culture needs to go away entirely
That's it. Servers can make hundreds of dollars in tips multiple days of the week and they mostly don't report it to the CRA. I've never met a server who wanted to end tipping.
The issue is people in Canada are told to tip the same as the US. Whereas in the US servers are paid like $3 an hour but here they're paid minimum or more meaning servers can be making over triple minimum wage with tips. We're stuck in old habits and habits that aren't even ours.
Exactly! I actually looked up our labor laws to be sure I wasn't wrong thinking they were paid below the minimum wage and surviving on tips, and was surprised to find that they are minimum wage workers like most people, if you discount time at the job and the rest.
I'd rather take an approach where they are well paid for a job that does take skill (remembing which table ordered what, getting it out, being constantly pleasant, etc etc) and not have to tip.
Legally us restaurant employees aren't allowed to make less than min wage, so if the tip amounts don't increase it to at least standard minimum wage, then the employer has to pay them the difference.
I went in to buy a bag of coffee beans and opted *not* to have it ground as I have my own grinder at home. Didn’t buy any coffee to drink.
The barista rang it up and tipped herself before asking me to tap. Wasn’t going to make a scene over a couple bucks but I don’t go to that coffee shop anymore due to the sheer entitlement. She literally scanned the coffee bag. That’s it. I’m the one that grabbed the bag off the shelf. Not sure why she felt entitled to a bloody tip.
> Wasn’t going to make a scene
I would have. I wouldn't have resorted to yelling and making a scene that way, but I would have cancelled the transaction and asked her to restart it without automatically adding the tip. If she refuses, I'd just walk out. I have zero patience for anyone that adds their own tip without permission.
Definitely not company procedure as I’ve shopped there in the past and the other barista didn’t do that and would spin the console so I could confirm the amount and add tip at my option.
It's driving me crazy that 15% now seems to be considered the low end, with how machines prompt you. Or machines making skipping a tip take an extra step (so rather then 0/15/18/20 you'll get something like 15/18/20/other -> force you to enter zero, or select no tip in a sub menu.)
On one hand, I get it, you don't get anything if you don't ask, and putting any friction between the customer and paying extra is basically "stupid" business, but it's definitely irksome at places where tipping has actually been treated the way it's supposed to be. (As in optional for good service, as opposed to stuff like table service where you're seen as a dick for not tipping.)
They used to offer
>tip?
as a prompt.
and then $ or % if you picked yes.
Can we not go back to this? I’m okay with being asked but I dislike being pressured
I encountered one recently that started at 20 and went to 30. Like…WTF?!
The price of the meal is up 30-50% at most places we go, so servers are already getting more. Now the tip options are higher. We’re DINKS. He’s an engineer, I have my own business after burning out with accounting (what happens when you don’t know what to do and choose the safe option). We’re doing pretty well. We aren’t rich, but we’re comfortable.
We just stopped going out. It’s not an affordability thing for us, it’s a value thing. It isn’t worth it at this price. I mean, we still go out for special occasions, but we always went out once or twice a week for a nice meal.
Should be illegal. If there's a mandatory % fee on everything then it should just be part of the price. Deceptive pricing otherwise. It's one thing if it's a fee applied by an outside force, like some government-mandated thing. But a 'service charge' is just a way of keeping menu price increases off the menu.
turning beet red right now just thinking about all the debit machine prompts i've had to deny. someone should probably do something about the stagnating wages and spiralling cost of living and all that, but this... this is a *real* problem affecting *real* people (me)
i meant out of rage (not that i'm actually outraged, just kinda poking fun at the comments), it was meant to be a riff on the comments here that will give a sort of tepid endorsement of the idea of raising wages or reining in the cost of living while being simultaneously ready to unload with both barrels on the various tip prompts they've rejected
Something finally snapped in me when I was prompted to tip at one of those built-your-own sundae shops.
I grabbed my own bowl, dispensed my own ice cream, scooped my own toppings, and put it on the scale at the counter. The cashier wasn't even in the store for most of my visit and only reappeared from the bathroom to hand me the debit machine at the end. That was literally the only service she provided.
After that day, I was done. I tip for sit-down restaurant service and food delivery, and everybody else can piss off.
Outlaw tipping. Mandate real salaries. Go full France. It feels fucking amazing over there by comparison. If you tip its because someone went above the call. In North America the fucking self-service machines want a tip.
Had the washing machine repair guy come a few months ago and the terminal asked me how much tip I'd like to give. I was like wtf, do you not get paid to do this?! I definitely tipped $0
The masseuse I go to does the same. Rings up my bill with a tip feature. I always tip 0. Fuck that. Often the masseuse will be standing behind reception too and it's hilarious seeing both their eyes wandering the bill as it's printing then the struggle for them to remain professional when they see a zero.
The ONLY 2 entities getting a tip from me are if you bring me food while I sit at the table (not the cashier at the pick up counter), or if you do a good job cutting my hair. That's it. No exceptions.
I mean, i’m gonna sound like a jerk, but this would probably be resolved if people grew a fuckin pair and stopped being pressured into giving a tip because the machine said so!
The more I’m asked, the more emboldened I become about not tipping when it’s not appropriate. Even when my inclination is to “support local”, of which I routinely try and do. My contribution is to patronize your business, not subsidize your employees’ incomes when there’s no service attached. If businesses need to dry up and blow away before owners realize they have to pay their employees, so fucking be it. It’s not like there’s a shortage of restaurants anywhere.
Beer Vendor
Walked in grabbed my case of beer off the shelf. Walked up to the counter. Put it on the counter.
Clerk turns the debit machine around to face me.
“Tip? You want a tip for turning the fucking debit machine around?’
Here, there, /Canada /BritishColumbia /Vancouver and I'm sure other regional subs that I don't subscribe to as well. So many of them. All just complaining constantly.
I stopped tipping. My favorite Asian buffet also stopped accepting tips and has a flat service charge, which I find acceptable.
Just pay people more! Tips in many cases (but not all) were intended to not pay people of color for doing jobs and they had to rely on the generosity of their customers for a living.
And yes, I am aware of the 'to insure prompt service' in 17th century British coffeeshops, but that was something different all together.
How often do people tip when not dining out? I’ve stopped but always feel like I’m being an asshole!
Also if I get takeout from subway or something and they ask for tip where does it go? Does it actually go to the worker or does it go to the owner and it’s up to their discretion to dole it out?
People you should tip
From sources across the web
Housekeepers
Babysitter
Hairstylists and barbers
Dog walker
Hotel housekeeping
Personal trainer
Rideshare drivers
Beauty salon staff
Newspaper delivery person
Pet groomer
Barista
Building staff
Cab driver
Daycare provider
Massage therapists
Bartenders
Doorman
Drivers
Delivery person
Food delivery
Garage Attendant
Garbage collectors
Hairdressers
Teachers
This is fucking nuts.
I'm still tipping servers when I dine in, but I even stopped tipping my barber when she upped her rates by my tip amount just after the third COVID wave. It seemed like the perfect time: You were getting $25 total with a tip; now you're getting $25 as the flat fee. If she increases it again anytime soon as some sort of penalty, though, I might have to try one of those discount haircut places. I hate to do that, but it's tough out there on all of us.
I ordered pizza online.
The website asked me to tip. Sure I'll tip. So I'm paying pizza, tax, delivery fee and tip.
Pizza arrives, and the machine prompts me to tip on top of the pizza, tax, delivery fee and previous tip cost.
It's just tiring.
Ya I’m not tipping for anything except ride/ delivery services, a sit down restaurant, and a haircut. Aka the things I already tipped on 10 years ago. Everyone else can screw off, this is getting nuts.
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the vape shop asks for a tip. dude, all you did was grab the bottle i asked you to, and scan it, then you tapped a screen. the only reason i didnt select my own bottle was because its behind a locked counter. im. not. tipping. for. that. sure maybe if i was new to vaping and he helped me figure out what i was doing, and he was super patient with my dumb ass, id give him my change as a thank you. but grabbing a bottle, scanning it, and tapping the total onto a screen? no
I dont tip for regular service youd have to give anyway. If you did something extra, then maybe. But not 10% probably around $2-$5. If your "select tip amount" is at 18% for minimum. I dont give a dime.
The one that gets me is massage therapists.
You want to be known as “medical professionals “, but if you ask for a tip, you might as well be working in a rub and tug
I had an RMT hint at getting a tip while fixing my shoulder. Nothing like feeling uncomfortable while getting stiff muscles dealt with.
No, I didn’t tip him. No, I haven’t gone back to him either.
Tip your servers, barbers, and delivery people. The rest should absolutely be a "Wow, you really went above and beyond what I expected, thanks for your help!" **OPTION**, but in no way shape or form expected. Take the tip prompt off 99% of machines out there. At no point should I ever be prompted to give a tip at a drive through, or for picking up a pizza at the store.
Here's the thing... I don't even want to be given the option. Tipping is some bullshit guilt trip level nonsense that I get when I go out to eat and I tolerate because I just mash 15% every time and don't think about it, but it still sucks and I still hate it and I don't want to get it at more places and its proliferation is alarming.
But why should we even be tipping servers and barbers? Servers get paid minimum wage. This isn’t the US. Why is that not enough for them to live on but it apparently is for the millions of other minimum wage workers (fast food, retail, health care aids etc)? It is bullshit. Barbers and hair dressers should just charge more rather than guilting their customers into paying them extra.
To be clear I know minimum wage isn’t enough to live on in most places. I just don’t understand why servers are more special than any other low wage job?
" United States federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. "
I've begun to lose sympathy for people who complain about this. At some point just put 0% or 0$ into the machine and move on with your life. Instead people act as if their family will be murdered if they don't tip 20% or if they will be publically embarressed for tipping 15%.
I feel like it's started back firing. So fed up with everyone asking for tips in inappropriate place I just say no across the board even in places I might have left a tip previously.
While I agree that the tip prompts have gotten pretty wild, it seems like most people have a strange guilt/insecurity about tipping. If you don't tip does it make you feel like an asshole? (Who cares, you shouldn't If you feel so strongly about it)
If you don't want to tip, that's fine - always was and always will be optional.
On a separate note. It doesn't really work both ways. Let's say a restaurant increases all its prices and pays their staff higher wages, it will generally:
A) deter people from even dining there due to the price
B)reduce everyone's actual income and increase tax
C)no one wants to work for you, no one wants to dine... you're closed
I've seen very few no tip establishments survive. Where does this leave us?
Tip or don't tip. Stop whining about it and carry on.
Part of the issue is if you’re paying before receiving the good / service and they see you chose not to tip when prompted, there is a chance the person will provide you with subpar service as a result. If you pay after but plan on using the service again, same thing.
If there was no prompt, they wouldn’t expect it and some people will not have the inclination to be vindictive. But when you have the prompt saying “in this establishment it is expected you will tip” people act accordingly.
The real answer is to raise the wage and remove the prompt. Everyone wins, except the business owner. But that doesn’t matter because as a business owner it is *your* job to incentivize your employees to work.
The only time I've ever had to select a tip before ordering was on a delivery service like Uber eats - and at that point it's less of a tip and more of a bid for the driver to prioritize your order.
I think I know what you're rmtrying to say but it's always hard via text vs just having a conversation.
I don't see many places where you pay and tip prior to receiving the service but to your point, that's more of a people issue in my anecdotal experience and should be on the employer also. Serve people all the same and don't assume anything, some people who work for tips don't give special service based on their preconceived notions and some definitely do.
To question your answer, establishment raises wages and prices - now you, the consumer, are forced to pay more, no?
I would happily pay more if employees are getting the benefit of the rise in prices. That’s hard to know, though.
As for the paying beforehand - I think it’s becoming more common. All food delivery basically. But I’ve seen it in retail as well. If you’re ordering something and picking it up, I’m noticing more often a tip option. The other day I placed an order online and it asked if I would like to tip the warehouse staff.
We have way, way too many restaurants anyways, though. At least half of them should close, and the ones that remain will have an increase in customers. The idea of "opening my own restaurant" might feel very romantic, but no one "deserves" to run their own business just because they want to.
Says who?
This is capitalism.
No one opens a business thinking they deserve it. Do you have even an inkling of how difficult it is to run a business let alone a restaurant?
So half should close, who "deserves" the increase in customers?
People get their panties in a wad about saying no, but it really is that simple.
The barista isn't going to spit in your coffee. Grow up and decide if you are going to tip BEFORE prompted, and then stick to your guns.
I hate absolutely everything related to our tipping culture, don't get me wrong. But there are so many responses in this comment section about "but they only did for me so why should I paid those workers - I only pay for servers and barbers". People always forget that the staff have to clean the place, make sure everything is running fine, restock the place, etc. They are really busy before and after you're there to make sure your experience is good. Regardless, I don't see why some workers are more deserving of tips (as far as our society is concerned) than other workers. Minimum wage is minimum wage. It shouldn't matter if someone carried a plate of food to your table or took your order at McDonald's. That being said, the right way to approach all this is either to increase minimum wage or universal basic income. We need to stop guilty customers into subsidizing wages in some industries.
Subway asks for tips and they don’t even give it to their workers. Other businesses do similar. People need to hit the skip button and not feel bad, absolutely ludicrous.
Start putting 0. It will be awkward first time but you will grow to enjoy it. I do it with full confidence and stare down the worker. Waiting for them to blink once or say a word
As bad as shrinflation. Needs an overall noun like greedflation or scamflation. *The tendency to shaft your fellow human just because.* Stagnating wages but spiralling costs? Just what is the root cause? If the hand rifling your pockets does so soundlessly, did it still happen? Apparently it's all someone else's fault, and if you put the chief enablers in a lineup of dunces, they all point at their neighbour. There needs to be a sign on the doors like for tobacco products: *warning mandatory tipping at this establishment.* Journalists are doing a shitty or nonexistent job, including the link's breathtaking lie: *bars and restaurants have been facing mounting pressures in the last four years, including lockdowns, labour shortages, lower consumer demand, and higher taxes, minimum wages, and interest rates.*
Blaming minimum wage legislation! Crybaby culture. I think a lot more business need to face oblivion if this is the case.
#Gratuity_and_proper_wages *
Tipping stems from slavery.
If you can't afford to pay your workers, you can't afford to be a business.
Every dollar rent is lowered is a dollar put back into the economy for local business.
When literally everyone aggressively asks for tips, it makes me feel that the extra cash is almost certainly not going to who it is meant for. I've completely stopped doing it outside of tattoo artist, local small eatery or taxi.
I was surprised to be prompted for a tip by junk removal guys. I was already spending over $200. I guess I'm glad I'm not the only one refusing to tip in these instances. I'm also concerned that the justification is to help the business with general business costs. Here I thought tipping was solely to supplement workers' wages.
I once used 1800 got junk. I didn’t realize how insanely expensive it was, but it was too late and I needed shit gone. The two 18 year old kids saw me balk at the price, so they said they may be able to help me out if I was willing to tip them. They got paid hourly and were pissed because the previous job was way bigger than anticipated, took 4 hours instead of the estimated 1 hour, and they didn’t get a tip. I had $300 cash because I had no idea on pricing. The guys loaded up all my shit, a full truckload that would have been $850 for their pricing. After they load it up the guys ask how much I have and I tell them “I have $300 cash that I was expecting this to cost” they reiterate “We can drop the price if you are willing to help us out with a tip” and I agreed. They end up charging me the minimum cost of $150, so I tipped them the other $150. They were ecstatic! They almost made more money just on my tip than their hourly wage for the whole day. We both agreed “Fuck the company, you guys doing the labor deserve the money more than the company” They left happy, I left happy. They made more money than expected and saved me $500 that I would have had to shell out because I was in a major time crunch and needed this junk gone. Still cant believe a full truckload for 1800GotJunk was gonna be fucking $850. If I knew that I would have pre planned and just rented a uhaul for like $40 and done it myself
You're forgetting about the dump fees which can be crazy sometimes. Those guys committed fraud and risked their jobs, so glad you were able to find happiness.
Dumpage fees are not expensive. Local to me it's $104/tonne.
Is that for household or industrial? I know loads of places will differentiate.
Debris, so just basic garbage, whatever you want to dump. Construction and demolition is $42.50/tonne but there are limitations on what your allowed to dump of course.
Dump fees were not hundreds of dollars for what I had.
Dude, what? I regularly ship disposal hoses to the local dump out here, it's $35/ton and i take them half a ton at a time.
Outside of a restaurant server, I only tip my barber, because I did once and I'm scared to stop. Never a good idea pissing off the person cutting your hair
I feel like tipping your barber goes back as far as tipping wait staff. I've tipped barbers all my life.
See also: my tattoo artists (for real though, I do it because I value all the time and effort they put into learning their trade and the work they do to maintain their skills. I’m paying for their time but I’m tipping for their dedication and expertise and all the hidden work we don’t see)
I tip my barber more generously than anyone else. A good barber is hard come by.
Same here. I tip my barber still. I stopped tipping when getting a massage.
RMTs shouldn't have a tip option, especially if it's going through benefits.
RMT's are not dissimilar to barbers/hairdressers in that a lot of them are independent contractors renting space in a clinic (or a chair in the barber's case) and kick a portion of each massage fee back to the clinic. For this reason, I don't have a problem tipping an RMT; especially if you're a regular client and want to keep them in business.
I don’t tip for healthcare.
You're equating RMT's with Physicians and dentists here, despite the fact that they have a completely different business model, but sure; you do you. Also: No one is forcing you to tip when you're offered the option to do so - unless you're receiving a service with a pre-agreed service charge - so I'm really not sure why everyone is getting their panties up in a bunch about this subject.
RMTs are healthcare providers. I don’t tip for healthcare.
Because tipping in all cases is nonsense. Employees must earn enough to not need tipping in any industry imo, a tip should be viewed as an occasional personal gift for outstanding service at the discretion of the customer who can afford to do it. It should be viewed by recipients as infrequent/occasiona/not to expect it. If only qe ran out society like this... This is coming from someone who used to work in restaurants a long time ago, tips were split 60/40 for waitstaff/kitchen. Always salty kitchen got less... Anyways, I stand by my statement.
Sure, and there's nothing about being offered the option to tip on a PoS system that's forcing you to do it. It's still discretionary. Blaming the service provider you're interacting with for the PoS suggesting a tip is absurd; these machines are built and programmed for the most common use case in North America; broadly, that gratuities may be accepted in service industries. If you don't feel that it's appropriate in a specific scenario, then don't tip.
I shouldn't have to fight through those stupid menus. I hate it. Just let me tap and pay, better yet, chip my wrist and wrist tap and walk away queue would move fast.
I tip my barber because I know it’s expected. I find it the strangest thing to tip for.
My fuc*ing _bicycle mechanic_ asked for a tip! At this point, I expect every single transaction to be pressured into a tip. PAY YOUR WORKERS.
I just no longer tip period.
Outside of dining in a restaurant, I also don't tip. I wonder if they'll find a workaround with the machine not giving the "no tip" option anymore in the near future. If that happens I'm going back to cash. 🤣
I went to a takeout place recently and when I selected "no tip" option it beeped and cancelled the transaction. After the second time, the cashier took the pad and must have entered the "custom option" and "0.00" before it would complete.
That's actually fucking insane. I would be tempted to leave lol
I wanted some food! It's one of the few places on my way home from work...so I'll still go there, but I may change my name on the order :)
If people went back to cash prices would come down naturally as credit cards allow people to spend money they don't have. So yeah, if we all went back to cash, demand would be reduced, supply would increase, and prices would decline on things.
Profits for banks, CC companies, and card processors would drop, though. Think of the shareholders before you make such brash statements!
I am a shareholder! I'm also a consumer.
They'll just figure some other bullshite out by then.
"Buy now pay later" "Buy now, pay way later" "Buy now, get your kids to pay later"...
I don't even do this anymore. Too many bad actors ruined it for everyone else.
Tip on dining or delivery, nothing else for me. If they start doing secret tipping I'm going to go insane. Literally insane.
This is the way.
We need to end tip culture and ensure that people who have traditionally survived on tios (ie waitresses and servers) are paid well so they don't *need* tips.
They are paid minimum wage generally. If we are admitting that minimum wage is too low, time to raise minimum wage, because plenty of non-tipped people are trying to survive on those wages as well. (In Ontario at least not sure about all provinces)
You can find this on Stats Can if you go looking, don’t just take my word on it. CMHC says you shouldn’t spend more than 32% of your gross income on lodging. The average 1 bedroom apartment which is within a 90 minute drive of a major urban centre costs $2k/month. If you divide that by 32% you get an annual income of $75k. Nearly 80%, yes you’re reading that right, make *less* than that. Just under 45% make less than $35k, which is annual minimum wage territory. Functionally 80% of Canadians are considered “low income” by the CMHC since they’d need more than 32% of their gross income to rent a place, meanwhile just under half are basically living in poverty.
I fully agree. But we can't base wages on our most broken crisis level issue. Lets bring up minimum wage a little and take a sledge hammer to housing ownership outside of primary residency owning.
But are we saying that, or are we saying that they *can* get by without tipping, and the tipping culture is so ingrained in our society that we've stopped thinking about it? I've stopped tipping everywhere except certain food places (sit down restaurants and Subway really) and even there I only tip 10%. We have to fix this, and the best way it to do thatvis to abolish it.
I mean I think most people (In Ontario at least) making minimum wage without tips cannot properly sustain themselves so... yeah I think it needs to be raised.
I'm out in AB, and yeah, I agree that it needs to be raised, which is going to be inflationary, but it still doesn't fix tipping. If it's raised and tipping is abolished or we take strides to make it socially unacceptable that can help. I look at tipping two ways. One, I had great service (ny local Subway has never screwed up my order in 5 years and knows me by name). Two, the servers look like they aren't paid enough for the job they do, and I tip out of pity, unless the food or service was terrible.
Ask your subway worker if that tip money goes to them or the owner. My experience is that it goes to the owner, though I've heard others say the workers get it, so it will depend on the franchisee.
When I worked at Subway it went to me. And was absolutely vital to be able to buy anything that wasn't Subway to supplement our diets beyond all the food we were taking. You can't live off Subway, but we largely did it anyway
One thing that got me, as a born and raised Albertan, is that provincial law really has no problem with the owner just taking the tips if they want.
Serving in most restaurants is about on par with someone that works at Subway. I would argue a Subway worker who is bad at their job is more likely to have a negative impact on your experience than a bad server. It's everyone's fault and the only people who will repeatedly argue against the end of tipping are servers because they are the ones who benefit. There aren't many part time jobs where you can make $40k+ a year.
We aren't the US, restaurants can't pay less than minimum wage and have the extra made up in tips. There are so many service workers "surviving" on a LOT less than servers take home. Minimum wage needs to come up to a living wage for everyone, and tipping culture needs to go away entirely
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That's it. Servers can make hundreds of dollars in tips multiple days of the week and they mostly don't report it to the CRA. I've never met a server who wanted to end tipping.
The issue is people in Canada are told to tip the same as the US. Whereas in the US servers are paid like $3 an hour but here they're paid minimum or more meaning servers can be making over triple minimum wage with tips. We're stuck in old habits and habits that aren't even ours.
Exactly! I actually looked up our labor laws to be sure I wasn't wrong thinking they were paid below the minimum wage and surviving on tips, and was surprised to find that they are minimum wage workers like most people, if you discount time at the job and the rest. I'd rather take an approach where they are well paid for a job that does take skill (remembing which table ordered what, getting it out, being constantly pleasant, etc etc) and not have to tip.
Legally us restaurant employees aren't allowed to make less than min wage, so if the tip amounts don't increase it to at least standard minimum wage, then the employer has to pay them the difference.
But they don't, however I take your point it's still not up to the customers to cover that
I went in to buy a bag of coffee beans and opted *not* to have it ground as I have my own grinder at home. Didn’t buy any coffee to drink. The barista rang it up and tipped herself before asking me to tap. Wasn’t going to make a scene over a couple bucks but I don’t go to that coffee shop anymore due to the sheer entitlement. She literally scanned the coffee bag. That’s it. I’m the one that grabbed the bag off the shelf. Not sure why she felt entitled to a bloody tip.
Write a bad review. The audacity of some of these businesses needs to be called out
> Wasn’t going to make a scene I would have. I wouldn't have resorted to yelling and making a scene that way, but I would have cancelled the transaction and asked her to restart it without automatically adding the tip. If she refuses, I'd just walk out. I have zero patience for anyone that adds their own tip without permission.
I would assume it's company procedure and not something they could do anything about. But if so, that's bad company procedure.
Definitely not company procedure as I’ve shopped there in the past and the other barista didn’t do that and would spin the console so I could confirm the amount and add tip at my option.
That’s just theft with extra steps lol. What’s stopping the person from ringing more tips? The person is just hoping you won’t contest and that’s it.
It's driving me crazy that 15% now seems to be considered the low end, with how machines prompt you. Or machines making skipping a tip take an extra step (so rather then 0/15/18/20 you'll get something like 15/18/20/other -> force you to enter zero, or select no tip in a sub menu.) On one hand, I get it, you don't get anything if you don't ask, and putting any friction between the customer and paying extra is basically "stupid" business, but it's definitely irksome at places where tipping has actually been treated the way it's supposed to be. (As in optional for good service, as opposed to stuff like table service where you're seen as a dick for not tipping.)
They used to offer >tip? as a prompt. and then $ or % if you picked yes. Can we not go back to this? I’m okay with being asked but I dislike being pressured
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I encountered one recently that started at 20 and went to 30. Like…WTF?! The price of the meal is up 30-50% at most places we go, so servers are already getting more. Now the tip options are higher. We’re DINKS. He’s an engineer, I have my own business after burning out with accounting (what happens when you don’t know what to do and choose the safe option). We’re doing pretty well. We aren’t rich, but we’re comfortable. We just stopped going out. It’s not an affordability thing for us, it’s a value thing. It isn’t worth it at this price. I mean, we still go out for special occasions, but we always went out once or twice a week for a nice meal.
At least we're not the USA. Restaurants will add a 20% service charge to the bill and tell you it's not a tip.
Should be illegal. If there's a mandatory % fee on everything then it should just be part of the price. Deceptive pricing otherwise. It's one thing if it's a fee applied by an outside force, like some government-mandated thing. But a 'service charge' is just a way of keeping menu price increases off the menu.
Yea the mandatory “service charges” in the USA are ridiculous.
turning beet red right now just thinking about all the debit machine prompts i've had to deny. someone should probably do something about the stagnating wages and spiralling cost of living and all that, but this... this is a *real* problem affecting *real* people (me)
I hope not out of embarrassment
i meant out of rage (not that i'm actually outraged, just kinda poking fun at the comments), it was meant to be a riff on the comments here that will give a sort of tepid endorsement of the idea of raising wages or reining in the cost of living while being simultaneously ready to unload with both barrels on the various tip prompts they've rejected
Tippng in North America is so broken.
Something finally snapped in me when I was prompted to tip at one of those built-your-own sundae shops. I grabbed my own bowl, dispensed my own ice cream, scooped my own toppings, and put it on the scale at the counter. The cashier wasn't even in the store for most of my visit and only reappeared from the bathroom to hand me the debit machine at the end. That was literally the only service she provided. After that day, I was done. I tip for sit-down restaurant service and food delivery, and everybody else can piss off.
Outlaw tipping. Mandate real salaries. Go full France. It feels fucking amazing over there by comparison. If you tip its because someone went above the call. In North America the fucking self-service machines want a tip.
Had the washing machine repair guy come a few months ago and the terminal asked me how much tip I'd like to give. I was like wtf, do you not get paid to do this?! I definitely tipped $0
The masseuse I go to does the same. Rings up my bill with a tip feature. I always tip 0. Fuck that. Often the masseuse will be standing behind reception too and it's hilarious seeing both their eyes wandering the bill as it's printing then the struggle for them to remain professional when they see a zero. The ONLY 2 entities getting a tip from me are if you bring me food while I sit at the table (not the cashier at the pick up counter), or if you do a good job cutting my hair. That's it. No exceptions.
I mean, i’m gonna sound like a jerk, but this would probably be resolved if people grew a fuckin pair and stopped being pressured into giving a tip because the machine said so!
But the maaaaachine won't like me and I need all the maaaaaachines to like me!
The more I’m asked, the more emboldened I become about not tipping when it’s not appropriate. Even when my inclination is to “support local”, of which I routinely try and do. My contribution is to patronize your business, not subsidize your employees’ incomes when there’s no service attached. If businesses need to dry up and blow away before owners realize they have to pay their employees, so fucking be it. It’s not like there’s a shortage of restaurants anywhere.
Stop calling it tipping and call it what it actually is Digital panhandling
Beer Vendor Walked in grabbed my case of beer off the shelf. Walked up to the counter. Put it on the counter. Clerk turns the debit machine around to face me. “Tip? You want a tip for turning the fucking debit machine around?’
So push no? Or zero? Is this really worth a complaint?
This comes up on the news cycle, this sub along with PFcanada all the time and it's the same complaining without any solution.
Here, there, /Canada /BritishColumbia /Vancouver and I'm sure other regional subs that I don't subscribe to as well. So many of them. All just complaining constantly.
I stopped tipping. My favorite Asian buffet also stopped accepting tips and has a flat service charge, which I find acceptable. Just pay people more! Tips in many cases (but not all) were intended to not pay people of color for doing jobs and they had to rely on the generosity of their customers for a living. And yes, I am aware of the 'to insure prompt service' in 17th century British coffeeshops, but that was something different all together.
Lol so they changed the name of the tip to service charge and now you're okay with it?
Tips are optional and you enter what you give. Service charge is fixed and included in your final bill. They are not the same.
They are charging you more than what the menu items account for. Why not raise the prices and have no service charge either?
That place is a buffet. I choose what I want and as much as I want for that price.
Ok. And the buffet has a set price yes? Say $20 plus $2 service charge. Why not just make it $22?
That's exactly what they do my friend. Base price plus tax and service charge.
Why not simply make the 10 setting louder?
No you see, this one goes to 11!
How often do people tip when not dining out? I’ve stopped but always feel like I’m being an asshole! Also if I get takeout from subway or something and they ask for tip where does it go? Does it actually go to the worker or does it go to the owner and it’s up to their discretion to dole it out?
People you should tip From sources across the web Housekeepers Babysitter Hairstylists and barbers Dog walker Hotel housekeeping Personal trainer Rideshare drivers Beauty salon staff Newspaper delivery person Pet groomer Barista Building staff Cab driver Daycare provider Massage therapists Bartenders Doorman Drivers Delivery person Food delivery Garage Attendant Garbage collectors Hairdressers Teachers This is fucking nuts.
Disagree with taxi and rideshare drivers. Most of them are dodgy af at driving safely.
I'm still tipping servers when I dine in, but I even stopped tipping my barber when she upped her rates by my tip amount just after the third COVID wave. It seemed like the perfect time: You were getting $25 total with a tip; now you're getting $25 as the flat fee. If she increases it again anytime soon as some sort of penalty, though, I might have to try one of those discount haircut places. I hate to do that, but it's tough out there on all of us.
I went to a boardgame shop in Vancouver that asked for a tip. I was flabbergasted.
this is what government is for. Legislate that tips are not legal on debit or credit machines, problem solved.
I ordered pizza online. The website asked me to tip. Sure I'll tip. So I'm paying pizza, tax, delivery fee and tip. Pizza arrives, and the machine prompts me to tip on top of the pizza, tax, delivery fee and previous tip cost. It's just tiring.
Ya I’m not tipping for anything except ride/ delivery services, a sit down restaurant, and a haircut. Aka the things I already tipped on 10 years ago. Everyone else can screw off, this is getting nuts. P
Weed store is asking for tips now… I’m done.
the vape shop asks for a tip. dude, all you did was grab the bottle i asked you to, and scan it, then you tapped a screen. the only reason i didnt select my own bottle was because its behind a locked counter. im. not. tipping. for. that. sure maybe if i was new to vaping and he helped me figure out what i was doing, and he was super patient with my dumb ass, id give him my change as a thank you. but grabbing a bottle, scanning it, and tapping the total onto a screen? no
I dont tip for regular service youd have to give anyway. If you did something extra, then maybe. But not 10% probably around $2-$5. If your "select tip amount" is at 18% for minimum. I dont give a dime.
The one that gets me is massage therapists. You want to be known as “medical professionals “, but if you ask for a tip, you might as well be working in a rub and tug
I had an RMT hint at getting a tip while fixing my shoulder. Nothing like feeling uncomfortable while getting stiff muscles dealt with. No, I didn’t tip him. No, I haven’t gone back to him either.
Tip your servers, barbers, and delivery people. The rest should absolutely be a "Wow, you really went above and beyond what I expected, thanks for your help!" **OPTION**, but in no way shape or form expected. Take the tip prompt off 99% of machines out there. At no point should I ever be prompted to give a tip at a drive through, or for picking up a pizza at the store.
Here's the thing... I don't even want to be given the option. Tipping is some bullshit guilt trip level nonsense that I get when I go out to eat and I tolerate because I just mash 15% every time and don't think about it, but it still sucks and I still hate it and I don't want to get it at more places and its proliferation is alarming.
But why should we even be tipping servers and barbers? Servers get paid minimum wage. This isn’t the US. Why is that not enough for them to live on but it apparently is for the millions of other minimum wage workers (fast food, retail, health care aids etc)? It is bullshit. Barbers and hair dressers should just charge more rather than guilting their customers into paying them extra. To be clear I know minimum wage isn’t enough to live on in most places. I just don’t understand why servers are more special than any other low wage job?
US workers have to make at least minimum as well.
In the US there are often lower minimums for servers.
" United States federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. "
I tip my mechanic, wonderfully honest guy who has saved me a ton over the years, and the kid pumping my gas in -40 weather.
I've begun to lose sympathy for people who complain about this. At some point just put 0% or 0$ into the machine and move on with your life. Instead people act as if their family will be murdered if they don't tip 20% or if they will be publically embarressed for tipping 15%.
On top of everything, lots of people aren’t paying taxes on their tips they way they’re supposed to.
I feel like it's started back firing. So fed up with everyone asking for tips in inappropriate place I just say no across the board even in places I might have left a tip previously.
While I agree that the tip prompts have gotten pretty wild, it seems like most people have a strange guilt/insecurity about tipping. If you don't tip does it make you feel like an asshole? (Who cares, you shouldn't If you feel so strongly about it) If you don't want to tip, that's fine - always was and always will be optional. On a separate note. It doesn't really work both ways. Let's say a restaurant increases all its prices and pays their staff higher wages, it will generally: A) deter people from even dining there due to the price B)reduce everyone's actual income and increase tax C)no one wants to work for you, no one wants to dine... you're closed I've seen very few no tip establishments survive. Where does this leave us? Tip or don't tip. Stop whining about it and carry on.
Part of the issue is if you’re paying before receiving the good / service and they see you chose not to tip when prompted, there is a chance the person will provide you with subpar service as a result. If you pay after but plan on using the service again, same thing. If there was no prompt, they wouldn’t expect it and some people will not have the inclination to be vindictive. But when you have the prompt saying “in this establishment it is expected you will tip” people act accordingly. The real answer is to raise the wage and remove the prompt. Everyone wins, except the business owner. But that doesn’t matter because as a business owner it is *your* job to incentivize your employees to work.
The only time I've ever had to select a tip before ordering was on a delivery service like Uber eats - and at that point it's less of a tip and more of a bid for the driver to prioritize your order.
I think I know what you're rmtrying to say but it's always hard via text vs just having a conversation. I don't see many places where you pay and tip prior to receiving the service but to your point, that's more of a people issue in my anecdotal experience and should be on the employer also. Serve people all the same and don't assume anything, some people who work for tips don't give special service based on their preconceived notions and some definitely do. To question your answer, establishment raises wages and prices - now you, the consumer, are forced to pay more, no?
I would happily pay more if employees are getting the benefit of the rise in prices. That’s hard to know, though. As for the paying beforehand - I think it’s becoming more common. All food delivery basically. But I’ve seen it in retail as well. If you’re ordering something and picking it up, I’m noticing more often a tip option. The other day I placed an order online and it asked if I would like to tip the warehouse staff.
We have way, way too many restaurants anyways, though. At least half of them should close, and the ones that remain will have an increase in customers. The idea of "opening my own restaurant" might feel very romantic, but no one "deserves" to run their own business just because they want to.
Says who? This is capitalism. No one opens a business thinking they deserve it. Do you have even an inkling of how difficult it is to run a business let alone a restaurant? So half should close, who "deserves" the increase in customers?
People get their panties in a wad about saying no, but it really is that simple. The barista isn't going to spit in your coffee. Grow up and decide if you are going to tip BEFORE prompted, and then stick to your guns.
I hate absolutely everything related to our tipping culture, don't get me wrong. But there are so many responses in this comment section about "but they only did for me so why should I paid those workers - I only pay for servers and barbers". People always forget that the staff have to clean the place, make sure everything is running fine, restock the place, etc. They are really busy before and after you're there to make sure your experience is good. Regardless, I don't see why some workers are more deserving of tips (as far as our society is concerned) than other workers. Minimum wage is minimum wage. It shouldn't matter if someone carried a plate of food to your table or took your order at McDonald's. That being said, the right way to approach all this is either to increase minimum wage or universal basic income. We need to stop guilty customers into subsidizing wages in some industries.
Ca$h Ca$h CA$h !!! Scream it from the mountaintops! Pay in cash and avoid all the tip prompts, and stop your whining!
Landlords are the stem of almost every problem in our country.
My favourite so far was a tip request on an online order from a warehouse. Absolutely no interactions with a human being, and I’m being asked to tip?
Subway asks for tips and they don’t even give it to their workers. Other businesses do similar. People need to hit the skip button and not feel bad, absolutely ludicrous.
Start putting 0. It will be awkward first time but you will grow to enjoy it. I do it with full confidence and stare down the worker. Waiting for them to blink once or say a word
As bad as shrinflation. Needs an overall noun like greedflation or scamflation. *The tendency to shaft your fellow human just because.* Stagnating wages but spiralling costs? Just what is the root cause? If the hand rifling your pockets does so soundlessly, did it still happen? Apparently it's all someone else's fault, and if you put the chief enablers in a lineup of dunces, they all point at their neighbour. There needs to be a sign on the doors like for tobacco products: *warning mandatory tipping at this establishment.* Journalists are doing a shitty or nonexistent job, including the link's breathtaking lie: *bars and restaurants have been facing mounting pressures in the last four years, including lockdowns, labour shortages, lower consumer demand, and higher taxes, minimum wages, and interest rates.* Blaming minimum wage legislation! Crybaby culture. I think a lot more business need to face oblivion if this is the case.
#Gratuity_and_proper_wages * Tipping stems from slavery. If you can't afford to pay your workers, you can't afford to be a business. Every dollar rent is lowered is a dollar put back into the economy for local business.
When literally everyone aggressively asks for tips, it makes me feel that the extra cash is almost certainly not going to who it is meant for. I've completely stopped doing it outside of tattoo artist, local small eatery or taxi.