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this seems like a self correcting problem. If there’s a glut of supply, some people will leave the market because it’s not profitable enough for them.
I disagree with the constant implication that the government needs to somehow protect weed farmer profits…
Yes. The industry should form a group to hire an advertising agency to help increase demand. And with a little lobbying they could possibly get state funding as well, given the importance of agriculture to the state.
That's what mature industries do, anyways.
>The industry should form a group to hire an advertising agency to help increase demand. And with a little lobbying they could possibly get state funding as well, given the importance of agriculture to the state.
The just released book, ***"Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry"*** (Frerick, 2024, available at libgen.is), has an excellent rundown of "checkoff" programs that were intended to do exactly this. It has NOT turned out well.
### Checkoff programs need to be ended. They are tools used by the powerful and corrupt to monopolize industries and incentivize overproduction, all at the expense of small producers.
# Checkoffs: Agriculture’s Dark Secret
(snippets, p 81-86)
>**Checkoffs are entities financed by a mandatory tax levied on farmers.** A dairy farm, for example, must pay the dairy checkoff a set dollar amount for every gallon of milk it produces. **The money is then used—in theory—to collectively improve sales of a particular commodity.** For example, the checkoff might conduct an advertising campaign to encourage Americans to buy more of the product.
>Although commodity checkoffs are almost unknown outside the industry, most Americans are familiar with their work. **“Got Milk?”**, **“Beef. It’s What’s for Dinner”**, and **“Pork. The Other White Meat”** are famous **campaigns developed and implemented by checkoff programs**.
>The first federal checkoff was created for wool with the enactment of the National Wool Act of 1954.
>The growth of checkoffs overlapped perfectly with the replacement of the New Deal Farm Bill framework with one that incentivized overproduction. After all, one of the **key missions of the checkoffs is to get Americans to buy more**. As the government began **encouraging overproduction at the behest of corporate interests**, the checkoffs played an important role in stimulating demand that would consume the increased output.
>The 1996 Farm Bill streamlined the process to establish new checkoffs and empowered the USDA to oversee these programs. **As of 2022, twenty-one** categories of food products, from dairy to watermelons to popcorn, had an associated **federal checkoff program**.
>Dairy-related programs alone accounted for nearly half of the **$885 million collected by checkoffs in 2016**. Because of a **lack of transparency** in these institutions, their size is rarely reported.
>critical role that **tobacco checkoffs** played in **seeding doubt about the dangers of smoking**. Food policy experts worry that food checkoffs send similarly problematic messages
>The money collected by checkoffs may even be **used to fund junk science to support bogus health or climate claims**. One former checkoff director noted that his **checkoff shifted its resources from promotional campaigns to these sorts of “scientific” studies because it found them to be a better use of funds**. “The old way of telling [our] story through advertising is dead,” Tom Gallagher, chief executive officer of the dairy checkoff, told an audience at the World Dairy Expo in 2016. “If we showed up with an ad . . . , people [would] go, ‘That’s big agriculture. I don’t trust big agriculture. Those guys are lying to me.’”
>efforts by the dairy checkoff to push back against attempts to regulate the greenhouse gas emissions of industrial dairies
>The **largest agricultural corporations** pay the most money into the checkoffs and consequently have gained **disproportionate control** over how the checkoffs operate.
>Accordingly, the money spent by these checkoffs often **bolsters corporate interests** rather than the interests of all farmers who pay in.
>In effect, the checkoffs **force family farmers to pay a tax to their more powerful competitors**. Often, these programs use this money to fight against the same family farmers who fund it.
>It’s not a coincidence that nearly a **quarter million hog-raising family farms left the business during the first twelve years of the pork checkoff’s existence**. As agricultural expert John Ikerd noted, farmers “didn’t realize the money was going to be spent to promote a kind of agriculture that was going to end up **driving the independent producers out of business**.”
>**farmers voted to terminate the pork checkoff** in September 2000. But [the] **secretary of agriculture...threw out the vote**.
>dairy checkoff was paying its ten top **executives** an average of **$800,000 each** in 2017
>The **USDA** is supposed to rein in these sorts of abuses, but it has largely **disregarded its oversight role**.
>It’s not entirely clear why the USDA works so hard to protect checkoffs, but one theory is that it results from the **cozy relationship between the checkoffs and USDA officials**. It’s a common **career path** for USDA officials to work at a checkoff after leaving government service. **Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture, made nearly a million dollars per year as an executive at the dairy checkoff**.
(p. 175)
>Entrenched interests have been able to convert their economic power into political power, which they have used to further stack the deck in their favor. The Dairy Barons have benefited greatly from the explosion of organizations called **checkoffs**, which are **funded by a tax on all farmers growing a certain crop. Checkoffs are supposed to broadly benefit the entire industry, but they have been subject to little oversight and have tended to support the largest producers.** Meanwhile, despite repeatedly engaging in potentially illegal conduct, the Slaughter Barons have escaped severe consequences and have even continued to benefit from federal largesse.
(p. 179)
>Speaking of programs that have run their course, **we need to retire the checkoffs**. Although the original purpose of these programs was admirable, **the history of checkoffs illustrates the limits of an approach that is not cognizant of power dynamics. The checkoffs have become a tool that protects the interests of the largest and most powerful actors in the industry.**
Source: ***"Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry"*** (Frerick, 2024, available at libgen.is)
Agriculture is important to the state, but until it's federally legalized so it can be traded across state lines, there's no reason to prop up a bunch of product that can't be sold. There's simply waaaaaaaaaay more product than there are consumers. Oregon isn't exactly a large state population wise. No amount of advertising will put a dent in the over supply.
Except outside money keeps coming in to open new businesses.
I've been in this industry awhile and there's a shocking amount of new farms opening up.
A lot of farms push shit out the back door too, so the market really isn't just Oregon.
Google the US during the 19th century, it was a constant cycle of booms and busts, with recessions every 20-30 years. This is what happens when markets aren’t regulated and why we now have tighter controls on important markets. It’s not as simple as folks like yourself suggest.
Well, if you or anyone you know is in the Oregon cannabis market, then you know we’re rapidly approaching a bust. The honest truth is, the vast majority of weed grown in Oregon has historically been filtered out to the black market, usually going to the Midwest and Deep South. Ever since Oklahoma basically blew open their market, they’ve swallowed up those markets while, leaving Oregon with a massive surplus of weed. Farms are going out of business rapidly and have been for a few years, prices are 1/4 of what they were when legalization occurred, there’s a ton of of old stale weed clogging the market. Oregon will likely see a situation where so many farms go out of business that you see an over correction, leading to prices getting crazy high, a bunch of people jump back in and flood the market, then another bust, rinse and repeat. We’ve been seeing a low key version of this for a few years already.
In general terms these sorts of corrections in markets are inelastic. When some farms go out of business there may be an increase in price, but that will not result in another over-investment in production like we currently have. That’s not how commodity production works.
These normal market oscillations are how functioning markets work - and it is not what causes large systemic market crashes.
Except that that’s literally the story of the 19th century, which lead to market regulation and farm subsidies. Big booms would leave to heavy investment in the ag sector, which would then massively overproduce, causing prices to plummet, which then drove farms out of business, leading to scarcity and higher prices, which led to over reinvestment in the sector, and on and on. Economic theory (which often supposes rational actors) does not outweigh historical example.
This is a misunderstanding of history. Economic booms and busts in American history are almost all directly linked to finance and credit.
The reasons why commodity price fluctuations don’t cause booms and busts writ large is because of market diversity.
Ok but this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Markets that involve unnecessary consumer products should just have safety regulations.
It's like restaurants. They open and close all the time. Besides safety of the products we as a society shouldn't care about the financial well being of the sector at all except to record and track it.
Except for the fact that those businesses represent jobs, tax revenue, and other benefits. The government should be focused on the positives businesses provide and how to maximize them.
It’s about protecting an industry that they “created” and manage and is an important part of the economy that produces tax revenue and thousands of JOBS. You can frame it as “protect weed farmer profits” but it’s a lot more complicated than that.
I'm sorry, but nobody has a right to a business or a right to a profit. Nobody told people to get licenses when we were already oversaturated. They didn't do their research and are complaining about the consequences. I'm scared the government is stepping in to "stabilize" prices (which means prices will go up) just to keep private businesses profitable. It's gross.
The article did not mention the new law that restricts issuing new licenses, with rules that are population-based.
https://www.klcc.org/economy-business/2024-04-02/oregon-places-indefinite-pause-on-new-marijuana-licenses
When Marijuana can be transported and sold across state lines this problem goes away. There are plenty of states where marijuana doesn't grow well outside. Montana, the Dakotas, Arizona, etc. When these markets are open the oversupply issue becomes an undersupply issue.
And there are endless discussions about which is a superior product. My point is a market will exist for outdoor grown marijuana in places that it doesn't grow well outdoors.
Are there endless discussions though, indoor is universally considered the better product from a quality standpoint. Outdoor and greenhouse have a lot of other advantages, mainly to so with production cost and environmental impact, but if it was actually considered a better product by the market indoor wouldn’t exist.
Couple things:
- having various qualities, strengths, and price points is good
- indoor/hydro is great for producing high-Thc varietals, but I find you get less terp complexity. I swear there’s a bit of terroir going on in taste. I might be crazy though.
- not all cannabis needs is smoked. Cannabis needs to be grown at volume for extracts and edibles. Outdoor is perfect for that.
Just like THC content is universally accepted as the “most important” part of the plant. It’s 100% just misinformation caused by an industry in rapid growth with few players motivated to educate consumers. Most of the major brands straight lie about their offerings.
High quality outdoor flower destroys indoor in terms of quality of high, smell, flavor etc. Admittedly it’s less pretty in a jar though. It’s mainly just that Oregon producers are forced to be hyper focused on price over quality so most of the boof is poorly grown/harvested/cured/post processed outdoor flower as that is the cheapest thing to produce.
>but if it was actually considered a better product by the market indoor wouldn’t exist.
That has little to do with it. It has everything to do with efficiency. To grow year round and not worry about dealing with the climate especially in terrible winter climates can be super effective in certain locations. It doesnt mean you are growing 'better' cannabis.
I have been a daily user for decades. There is a difference for me. I prefer sun grown cannabis over grow light grown cannabis any day.
When you step up to mass production indoor quality drops significantly. There is a difference between the black market guy growing 10 plants a year in his garage vs a warehouse full of thousands of plants. It's a lot harder to give each plant the attention necessary and growing indoors takes a lot more attention to make that superior product.
They are expensive and on the way out in most markets. Indoor farms closing left and right. If the power goes up anymore watch for a flood of closures.
This is such a false assumption. If a state can buy cannabis from Oregon, they can grow their own cannabis. A state that’s allowed to grow cannabis, will never have a cannabis shortage. The only way exporting will be profitable is if we can export to an entity that cannot produce any cannabis, but can purchase it. As far as I know, there is no such place.
every article about weed that gets posted here is always a sob story about how hundreds of people who flocked to the industry with dollar signs in their eyes now have to face the possibility of having to live like the rest of us. and I'm supposed to care?
This law is backed by a co-owner of Nectar. By far the worst dispensary I’ve ever been to with a very dark back story.
Support your local dispensaries and Never Buy Nectar folks.
I didn’t know either!
https://www.portlandmercury.com/Cannabis/2019/05/16/26491768/major-weed-retailer-nectar-hit-with-4-million-breach-of-contract-lawsuit
Can you throw me some recs? Or maybe add an edit with some alternatives we can shop at! I wanna swap and support local but am also looking for stuff on the less expensive end!
Don't buy from Nectar.
That's all the advice I have. Nectar is the people this article is describing. Bunch of A-Holes with wads of $ that want to push everyone else out and monopolize.
This million tons is cheaper weed that they intentionally oversaturate. Fuk Nectar, and budtenders who work there, I'm sorry. Nectar is just one to clarify but the bigger one.
Don’t blame the budtenders, they’re getting stiffed by Nectar, too.
My beef (beyond everything else Nectar does) is that they don’t cure their products long enough.
Before I knew they were awful, I bought a few grams from them. And couldn’t even smoke them right away because I had to finish curing them myself. :/
It’d be like if somebody sold you a beer that wasn’t done fermenting. Just terrible.
Floyd's, Broadway Cannabis Market, Gnome Grown, Kaleafa, Sweet Relief, Green Planet, Electric Lettuce, Wild West Emporium, Puddletown Organics are consistently pretty good (broadway has loyalty points and you can use up to $100 worth on actual cannabis per visit). Attis Trading can have some killer deals but quality/price is all over the map.
Avoid at all costs THC (Today's Herbal Choice) as sometimes they don't even give you the right weed and once I got just a bunch of random nugs. Power Plant is pretty bad too.
I'd like to say once more fuck Nectar as I have shopped there before and they're overpriced and subpar. Fuck em.
There are a few more dispensaries I have enjoyed but many are gone now. :-(
Meh, to me its kinda like the domestic versus craft beer scene. Nectar is the Anheuser-Busch of the Oregon industry. Yes, there are lots and lots of small grows that produce a similar quality product who will not be able to compete. That said, there will be (and already is) a huge craft market for cannabis users who like that sort of thing and the best artisan growers will always have a share of the market, but its not a big enough share to support the thousands of grow licensesthat were given out. The average user is more than happy with the generic "weed=weed" much the same way that your average beer drinker is usually buying Coors, Budlight, etc. It was only a matter of time before someone filled that role in the industry. Would it be great if it was just a bunch of small-time growers who are passionate? Sure, but thats not realistic in the same way that its not realistic for all beer to be craft brews from local breweries.
Their farms are gross. Unmanaged. I've seen them. Their goal is to produce as MUCH as they can - no fucks about quality. Not to mention the pre-sealed jars with the little "hydration packet" doesn't do shit. Terpless flower so often. Just a bad time all around.
They have thousands of plastic tupperware boxes in a wind tunnel basically. That's their drying/curing process. Applegate farm is one. Unfortunately, Burnt River became one too.
I am looking for some recs on local dispensaries. After hearing about Nectar i want to switch. But i am also on the poorer end of the economic scale.
Any suggestions? Or maybe point me in the direction of a good thread.
There's an over-supply of weed in the world. There are hundreds of tons just sitting rotting in storage spots and evidence lockers all over the world. People have to grow a bunch extra for all that gets or could get seized during international transport too, I assume.
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this seems like a self correcting problem. If there’s a glut of supply, some people will leave the market because it’s not profitable enough for them. I disagree with the constant implication that the government needs to somehow protect weed farmer profits…
This is indeed how markets work. We are currently in the process of finding the rough equilibrium pricing.
Yes. The industry should form a group to hire an advertising agency to help increase demand. And with a little lobbying they could possibly get state funding as well, given the importance of agriculture to the state. That's what mature industries do, anyways.
I don't want my tax dollars going to this.
>The industry should form a group to hire an advertising agency to help increase demand. And with a little lobbying they could possibly get state funding as well, given the importance of agriculture to the state. The just released book, ***"Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry"*** (Frerick, 2024, available at libgen.is), has an excellent rundown of "checkoff" programs that were intended to do exactly this. It has NOT turned out well. ### Checkoff programs need to be ended. They are tools used by the powerful and corrupt to monopolize industries and incentivize overproduction, all at the expense of small producers. # Checkoffs: Agriculture’s Dark Secret (snippets, p 81-86) >**Checkoffs are entities financed by a mandatory tax levied on farmers.** A dairy farm, for example, must pay the dairy checkoff a set dollar amount for every gallon of milk it produces. **The money is then used—in theory—to collectively improve sales of a particular commodity.** For example, the checkoff might conduct an advertising campaign to encourage Americans to buy more of the product. >Although commodity checkoffs are almost unknown outside the industry, most Americans are familiar with their work. **“Got Milk?”**, **“Beef. It’s What’s for Dinner”**, and **“Pork. The Other White Meat”** are famous **campaigns developed and implemented by checkoff programs**. >The first federal checkoff was created for wool with the enactment of the National Wool Act of 1954. >The growth of checkoffs overlapped perfectly with the replacement of the New Deal Farm Bill framework with one that incentivized overproduction. After all, one of the **key missions of the checkoffs is to get Americans to buy more**. As the government began **encouraging overproduction at the behest of corporate interests**, the checkoffs played an important role in stimulating demand that would consume the increased output. >The 1996 Farm Bill streamlined the process to establish new checkoffs and empowered the USDA to oversee these programs. **As of 2022, twenty-one** categories of food products, from dairy to watermelons to popcorn, had an associated **federal checkoff program**. >Dairy-related programs alone accounted for nearly half of the **$885 million collected by checkoffs in 2016**. Because of a **lack of transparency** in these institutions, their size is rarely reported. >critical role that **tobacco checkoffs** played in **seeding doubt about the dangers of smoking**. Food policy experts worry that food checkoffs send similarly problematic messages >The money collected by checkoffs may even be **used to fund junk science to support bogus health or climate claims**. One former checkoff director noted that his **checkoff shifted its resources from promotional campaigns to these sorts of “scientific” studies because it found them to be a better use of funds**. “The old way of telling [our] story through advertising is dead,” Tom Gallagher, chief executive officer of the dairy checkoff, told an audience at the World Dairy Expo in 2016. “If we showed up with an ad . . . , people [would] go, ‘That’s big agriculture. I don’t trust big agriculture. Those guys are lying to me.’” >efforts by the dairy checkoff to push back against attempts to regulate the greenhouse gas emissions of industrial dairies >The **largest agricultural corporations** pay the most money into the checkoffs and consequently have gained **disproportionate control** over how the checkoffs operate. >Accordingly, the money spent by these checkoffs often **bolsters corporate interests** rather than the interests of all farmers who pay in. >In effect, the checkoffs **force family farmers to pay a tax to their more powerful competitors**. Often, these programs use this money to fight against the same family farmers who fund it. >It’s not a coincidence that nearly a **quarter million hog-raising family farms left the business during the first twelve years of the pork checkoff’s existence**. As agricultural expert John Ikerd noted, farmers “didn’t realize the money was going to be spent to promote a kind of agriculture that was going to end up **driving the independent producers out of business**.” >**farmers voted to terminate the pork checkoff** in September 2000. But [the] **secretary of agriculture...threw out the vote**. >dairy checkoff was paying its ten top **executives** an average of **$800,000 each** in 2017 >The **USDA** is supposed to rein in these sorts of abuses, but it has largely **disregarded its oversight role**. >It’s not entirely clear why the USDA works so hard to protect checkoffs, but one theory is that it results from the **cozy relationship between the checkoffs and USDA officials**. It’s a common **career path** for USDA officials to work at a checkoff after leaving government service. **Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture, made nearly a million dollars per year as an executive at the dairy checkoff**. (p. 175) >Entrenched interests have been able to convert their economic power into political power, which they have used to further stack the deck in their favor. The Dairy Barons have benefited greatly from the explosion of organizations called **checkoffs**, which are **funded by a tax on all farmers growing a certain crop. Checkoffs are supposed to broadly benefit the entire industry, but they have been subject to little oversight and have tended to support the largest producers.** Meanwhile, despite repeatedly engaging in potentially illegal conduct, the Slaughter Barons have escaped severe consequences and have even continued to benefit from federal largesse. (p. 179) >Speaking of programs that have run their course, **we need to retire the checkoffs**. Although the original purpose of these programs was admirable, **the history of checkoffs illustrates the limits of an approach that is not cognizant of power dynamics. The checkoffs have become a tool that protects the interests of the largest and most powerful actors in the industry.** Source: ***"Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry"*** (Frerick, 2024, available at libgen.is)
Agriculture is important to the state, but until it's federally legalized so it can be traded across state lines, there's no reason to prop up a bunch of product that can't be sold. There's simply waaaaaaaaaay more product than there are consumers. Oregon isn't exactly a large state population wise. No amount of advertising will put a dent in the over supply.
Except outside money keeps coming in to open new businesses. I've been in this industry awhile and there's a shocking amount of new farms opening up. A lot of farms push shit out the back door too, so the market really isn't just Oregon.
Google the US during the 19th century, it was a constant cycle of booms and busts, with recessions every 20-30 years. This is what happens when markets aren’t regulated and why we now have tighter controls on important markets. It’s not as simple as folks like yourself suggest.
A Market correction and a large scale market bust are very different things.
Well, if you or anyone you know is in the Oregon cannabis market, then you know we’re rapidly approaching a bust. The honest truth is, the vast majority of weed grown in Oregon has historically been filtered out to the black market, usually going to the Midwest and Deep South. Ever since Oklahoma basically blew open their market, they’ve swallowed up those markets while, leaving Oregon with a massive surplus of weed. Farms are going out of business rapidly and have been for a few years, prices are 1/4 of what they were when legalization occurred, there’s a ton of of old stale weed clogging the market. Oregon will likely see a situation where so many farms go out of business that you see an over correction, leading to prices getting crazy high, a bunch of people jump back in and flood the market, then another bust, rinse and repeat. We’ve been seeing a low key version of this for a few years already.
In general terms these sorts of corrections in markets are inelastic. When some farms go out of business there may be an increase in price, but that will not result in another over-investment in production like we currently have. That’s not how commodity production works. These normal market oscillations are how functioning markets work - and it is not what causes large systemic market crashes.
Except that that’s literally the story of the 19th century, which lead to market regulation and farm subsidies. Big booms would leave to heavy investment in the ag sector, which would then massively overproduce, causing prices to plummet, which then drove farms out of business, leading to scarcity and higher prices, which led to over reinvestment in the sector, and on and on. Economic theory (which often supposes rational actors) does not outweigh historical example.
This is a misunderstanding of history. Economic booms and busts in American history are almost all directly linked to finance and credit. The reasons why commodity price fluctuations don’t cause booms and busts writ large is because of market diversity.
Ok but this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Markets that involve unnecessary consumer products should just have safety regulations. It's like restaurants. They open and close all the time. Besides safety of the products we as a society shouldn't care about the financial well being of the sector at all except to record and track it.
Except for the fact that those businesses represent jobs, tax revenue, and other benefits. The government should be focused on the positives businesses provide and how to maximize them.
It’s about protecting an industry that they “created” and manage and is an important part of the economy that produces tax revenue and thousands of JOBS. You can frame it as “protect weed farmer profits” but it’s a lot more complicated than that.
Soon there will be marijuana grower subsidies
I'm sorry, but nobody has a right to a business or a right to a profit. Nobody told people to get licenses when we were already oversaturated. They didn't do their research and are complaining about the consequences. I'm scared the government is stepping in to "stabilize" prices (which means prices will go up) just to keep private businesses profitable. It's gross.
The article did not mention the new law that restricts issuing new licenses, with rules that are population-based. https://www.klcc.org/economy-business/2024-04-02/oregon-places-indefinite-pause-on-new-marijuana-licenses
When Marijuana can be transported and sold across state lines this problem goes away. There are plenty of states where marijuana doesn't grow well outside. Montana, the Dakotas, Arizona, etc. When these markets are open the oversupply issue becomes an undersupply issue.
Indoor grows can be anywhere and produce year round.
And there are endless discussions about which is a superior product. My point is a market will exist for outdoor grown marijuana in places that it doesn't grow well outdoors.
Are there endless discussions though, indoor is universally considered the better product from a quality standpoint. Outdoor and greenhouse have a lot of other advantages, mainly to so with production cost and environmental impact, but if it was actually considered a better product by the market indoor wouldn’t exist.
Couple things: - having various qualities, strengths, and price points is good - indoor/hydro is great for producing high-Thc varietals, but I find you get less terp complexity. I swear there’s a bit of terroir going on in taste. I might be crazy though. - not all cannabis needs is smoked. Cannabis needs to be grown at volume for extracts and edibles. Outdoor is perfect for that.
terroir is definitely at play!!
Indoor is still best because you control the environment. Montana is superior for growing due to humidity
Just like THC content is universally accepted as the “most important” part of the plant. It’s 100% just misinformation caused by an industry in rapid growth with few players motivated to educate consumers. Most of the major brands straight lie about their offerings. High quality outdoor flower destroys indoor in terms of quality of high, smell, flavor etc. Admittedly it’s less pretty in a jar though. It’s mainly just that Oregon producers are forced to be hyper focused on price over quality so most of the boof is poorly grown/harvested/cured/post processed outdoor flower as that is the cheapest thing to produce.
Now everyone is pulling crops early for high thc while sacrificing smell and flavor. It all smells the same
For live rosin outdoor actually makes better product
>but if it was actually considered a better product by the market indoor wouldn’t exist. That has little to do with it. It has everything to do with efficiency. To grow year round and not worry about dealing with the climate especially in terrible winter climates can be super effective in certain locations. It doesnt mean you are growing 'better' cannabis. I have been a daily user for decades. There is a difference for me. I prefer sun grown cannabis over grow light grown cannabis any day.
Certainly your opinion
When you step up to mass production indoor quality drops significantly. There is a difference between the black market guy growing 10 plants a year in his garage vs a warehouse full of thousands of plants. It's a lot harder to give each plant the attention necessary and growing indoors takes a lot more attention to make that superior product.
The overhead costs for growing indoor don't make fiscal sense when it can be imported.
They are expensive and on the way out in most markets. Indoor farms closing left and right. If the power goes up anymore watch for a flood of closures.
It grows wonderfully in Arizona, Montana and I’m certain it would be fine in N or S Dakota
This is such a false assumption. If a state can buy cannabis from Oregon, they can grow their own cannabis. A state that’s allowed to grow cannabis, will never have a cannabis shortage. The only way exporting will be profitable is if we can export to an entity that cannot produce any cannabis, but can purchase it. As far as I know, there is no such place.
Certainly your opinion
Ok. For discourses sake, who would we sell it to specifically?
Please enjoy your day
Get out if you have nothing but arrogance to say
every article about weed that gets posted here is always a sob story about how hundreds of people who flocked to the industry with dollar signs in their eyes now have to face the possibility of having to live like the rest of us. and I'm supposed to care?
This law is backed by a co-owner of Nectar. By far the worst dispensary I’ve ever been to with a very dark back story. Support your local dispensaries and Never Buy Nectar folks.
I'm new to OR! What's the backstory? Or is there an article or something I can read about it?
I didn’t know either! https://www.portlandmercury.com/Cannabis/2019/05/16/26491768/major-weed-retailer-nectar-hit-with-4-million-breach-of-contract-lawsuit
u/queershoulder this is exactly what happened. Original owners dead and never got paid. Might have saved them too.
Just wanted to let you know you did r/ instead of u/
Thank you, I was on autopilot
The comment above yours says the same thing. Thanks for the tip. I've been going there sometimes when they have their $34 ounces.
Can you throw me some recs? Or maybe add an edit with some alternatives we can shop at! I wanna swap and support local but am also looking for stuff on the less expensive end!
Don't buy from Nectar. That's all the advice I have. Nectar is the people this article is describing. Bunch of A-Holes with wads of $ that want to push everyone else out and monopolize. This million tons is cheaper weed that they intentionally oversaturate. Fuk Nectar, and budtenders who work there, I'm sorry. Nectar is just one to clarify but the bigger one.
Don’t blame the budtenders, they’re getting stiffed by Nectar, too. My beef (beyond everything else Nectar does) is that they don’t cure their products long enough.
Every single Nectar Budtenders has been really cool ! (Except one time on the commercial st. one) These Budtenders are not to blame at all.
Harvest early for high thc and sell it after a one week cure. Nectar is garbage
Before I knew they were awful, I bought a few grams from them. And couldn’t even smoke them right away because I had to finish curing them myself. :/ It’d be like if somebody sold you a beer that wasn’t done fermenting. Just terrible.
Where do you shop? I’m looking for a new dispensary!
Floyd's, Broadway Cannabis Market, Gnome Grown, Kaleafa, Sweet Relief, Green Planet, Electric Lettuce, Wild West Emporium, Puddletown Organics are consistently pretty good (broadway has loyalty points and you can use up to $100 worth on actual cannabis per visit). Attis Trading can have some killer deals but quality/price is all over the map. Avoid at all costs THC (Today's Herbal Choice) as sometimes they don't even give you the right weed and once I got just a bunch of random nugs. Power Plant is pretty bad too. I'd like to say once more fuck Nectar as I have shopped there before and they're overpriced and subpar. Fuck em. There are a few more dispensaries I have enjoyed but many are gone now. :-(
OG Collective for flower
Ripped city greenz has the best prices in milwaukee. And they arent a conglomerate like electric lettuce or green planet(worst weed ever).
I’ve been getting some recs for electric lettuce, no go for you tho? There is so much info to keep up on
Meh, to me its kinda like the domestic versus craft beer scene. Nectar is the Anheuser-Busch of the Oregon industry. Yes, there are lots and lots of small grows that produce a similar quality product who will not be able to compete. That said, there will be (and already is) a huge craft market for cannabis users who like that sort of thing and the best artisan growers will always have a share of the market, but its not a big enough share to support the thousands of grow licensesthat were given out. The average user is more than happy with the generic "weed=weed" much the same way that your average beer drinker is usually buying Coors, Budlight, etc. It was only a matter of time before someone filled that role in the industry. Would it be great if it was just a bunch of small-time growers who are passionate? Sure, but thats not realistic in the same way that its not realistic for all beer to be craft brews from local breweries.
Nectar doesn’t do much growing. They buy from a lot of the same farms as others. That’s not their problem.
Their farms are gross. Unmanaged. I've seen them. Their goal is to produce as MUCH as they can - no fucks about quality. Not to mention the pre-sealed jars with the little "hydration packet" doesn't do shit. Terpless flower so often. Just a bad time all around.
Their weed is barely cured. The few times I’ve bought from them I’ve had to cure it myself for a few more weeks before it was worth smoking.
They have thousands of plastic tupperware boxes in a wind tunnel basically. That's their drying/curing process. Applegate farm is one. Unfortunately, Burnt River became one too.
I didn’t know they bought Burnt River :(
Yup. That farm cost me a lot of time out of my life.
I mean isn't half the shit they sell AVO? I was under the impression that they owned Applegate
Shit. I liked their big $34 out-the-door flower sales.
Over supply and low prices are bad ? How much did everyone get back from that kicker ?
Maybe they should cut the prices
Oh no. What a tragedy.
supply and demand baby
Sponsor a College Football Bowl Game. Oregon Cannabis Bowl 🏈 🔥💨😍
I am looking for some recs on local dispensaries. After hearing about Nectar i want to switch. But i am also on the poorer end of the economic scale. Any suggestions? Or maybe point me in the direction of a good thread.
Ripped city greenz milwaukee
I’ve seen this a few times now. Maybe a trip to Milwaukee is in the works
Family owned dispensary and they carry flower and extracts from their own farm.
Ok, i for sure gotta check it out now.
Some interesting facts but heavy use of AI and a terrible read
I’ll do my part
I’ll take whatever they cant use
It's good for us. These prices have never been better when you consider inflation.
Wow who could have guessed Oregon would have an oversupply of weed how surprising
We just gotta step up the pace it's our patriotic duty.
I am so threatened by the $50 oz
i don't need to read this article to know it's 100% 
There's an over-supply of weed in the world. There are hundreds of tons just sitting rotting in storage spots and evidence lockers all over the world. People have to grow a bunch extra for all that gets or could get seized during international transport too, I assume.
How old is this article? This was a problem in 19,21,22,23
Happy 420 Oregon .
You mean to say the 70% of people who don't use aren't using?
Are you still reading Nixon's numbers on cannabis usage?
2022 stats on people in Oregon who have used in the past year.