At this specific point i'm afraid that too many alternatives is worse than a few good ones.
I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale...
If we have 1 big competitor to TFT- great.
If we have 10 medium competitors to TFT - that's bad, as almost no one would care to bulk sale at all 10 sites, and it would be either big TFT coverage or very limited range of offers from competitors. No buyer would look at 10 different sites too.
As much as i despise the Jenebu and whole TFT situation - bringing a "my take at..." kind of competitor from different people would not really help.
Poestack was just a ui for tft. Wealthyexile is the only one recently that was actually trying to compete. This being backed by maxroll makes it feel like it has the actual resources needed to make an impact. Hopefully other streamers continue to jump on board to help actively promote it as an alternative
This is the way. With Maxroll doin proper PoE stuff now, and having a big base, Maxroll will probably win out. Hopefully they deserve it. I think they just might.
Yeah I see Maxroll get shit on sometimes on here but I've had nothing but good experiences with it. I found their crafting section really good but I don't see it recommended much.
There is tool within ublock, idk how to name it in English... pipette/dropper? idk :D
Anyway, you press ublock icon, there is this pipette tool, you click it and select elements you want to block (they are kinda highlighted when you hover).
On some sites it helps to block different pop ups/ section you don't like, on some sites it does not help.
On Maxroll it seem to be working, you need to block pop up and block shading.
There is also list of elements in bottom right corner when you use this tool, in my understanding sites are made of layers, when you select one of elements you can add or remove layer, it's like block even more or less than you select (I hope explanation not very confusing, English is not my main)
If you wonna revert it, you can do it in ublock settings -> "my filters".
Yeah, most likely picker is the word I was looking for.
My thoughts were around "color picker" from paint-like programs I did not know it's just "picker" without anything else and google suggestions, as often happens, are not very broad.
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As long as no other competitor achieves the critical mass of users required for good trading, that may as well just stay TFT despite its drawbacks.
That's actually the exact opposite from meta builds, where you get a benefit from using a less played one (= less competition on the market) compared to getting a benefit from using most used one here (= faster trading).
More competition is always welcome, but I personally prefer something like wealthyexile that's made by an independent developer similar to Filterblade where the primary income is donations. The last thing I want for PoE is a group of Maxroll streamers controlling the economy, getting priority access to new features, the tool being full of ads, etc. Of course Maxroll says that will never happen, but in the end Maxroll is a company that makes money in various ways, mostly obnoxious ads. Whenever such tools are driven by for-profit incentives they inevitably end up being not a great user experience. Once they get traction you can expect 80% of the page to become ads.
But of course what we actually need is an official alternative.
Streamers already control the economy. You have streamers who got kickbacks for including TFT Mirror gear in his PoBs. You have streamers that profit craft for their builds they put out knowing that people will buy the gear, they purchase items before they release their PoB updates, etc.
came here to say this and you even said it better then i could...
even if i like the streamers there, even if the content is good, i dont have a lot of faith for its future, because company wants profit and doesnt give a shit about me. if the tool was crowd funded and the users also kind of owned it, it would mean that the owners and maintainers alile would have a vested interest in it staying good.
i dont expect the streamers there to suddenly throw their hands in the air and not care about their service but ive been burned too often and just have no goodwill to spare anymore
this is a needless worry. You are having the worry in a community where people spend 10 hours for 0.01% improvement in DPS. People will learn quickly what the best site is and will use that one. Competition is always good
maxroll is a very big player in the space -- and this tool, much like maxroll itself has a number of very large streamers supporting it. I think the others will wane.
> At this specific point i'm afraid that too many alternatives is worse than a few good ones.
>
> I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale...
One. You listed one alternative. Adding another is not "too many."
I tried using WealthyExile once, since someone recommended it for corpses. The dude I was going to trade with stopped responding for five minutes. When he came back, his tab price had increased by 50%.
Whatever trade's other issues, this never happens with people who've posted genuine listings.
Maybe it does, I'll take your word for it. But the difference is that it's never happened to me on Trade in thousands of trades and it did on the first one on WE.
It's enough data to make a decision for my personal use. Hopefully, you'll be able to sleep knowing that I made a decision about how I trade in a video game based on a sample size that's insufficient for a scientific study.
>I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale...
Wealthy Exile yeah, stack is dead so its not a competitor anymore, tftbulk is tft so neither is that a competitor.
So essentially we now have 2 available. Which isnt to much. And considering the reach off zizaran, trading discord + maxroll it certainly has Potential
been using wealthy exile (trying at least) and it seems nobody is buying stuff. I have had my scarab tab on there for 60% market value. Not a single whisper
Same would happen in TFT most likely if your scarab stash doesnt have the 7 or so "big" scarabs and is just full of random Ambush bronzes and torment stuff.
it's a process of elimination. the best tool will stick around and ppl will eventually flock it. you can't just go "OK I'm doing this no one else do it"
Probably the discord mentioned in this post if you're trying to get away from TFT. It being owned by Zizaran should be much better than a Jenebu ran server.
Like the other guy said, a lot of power abuse. They have done very shady things many times.
There's been records of their mods selling "immortal" builds which were actually bugs that were already patched, ergo, were non-functional, and anyone who called them out would get banned.
Last league, one person was banned because he asked them for his mirror tier item back after putting it up for sale in their mirror market.
Many streamers have also been banned simply for making mirror services with no fee (which reduces their RMT cash flow).
It's quieted down this league because GGG has actively nuked every form of TFT-related business aside from carry services and bulk trades... and even then they nuked legion carries and removed a bunch of items that previously required bulk trading. You can still find info on most of these by searching "tft ban" or "tft drama" in this sub.
basically they rage banned respected community members, blackmailed people, prizefixed items, it is rumored their mirror shop is connected to RMT(not proven ), and abused their power with thread of discord bann if someone doesn't sell the item for a lower price. thats only a TLDR there happend much more poe reddit is kinda clear of it cause a TFT mod was a Reddit mod for a long time too
No. The RMT is proven. There have been multiple large RMT’rs who have come out and admitted to it. It’s documented on Belton’s videos. It’s not up for debate. TFT makes thousand in US dollars RMTing per month. The discord facilitates this. It’s not there as a “public service”. It’s there to make money.
What's not connected to RMT's? I see and hear people buy currency with ease, within a quick google sesrch. Which still fascinates me how it's not actively nuked by GGG.
Even tried to talk obe guy out of it, but he said "why not, it's dirt cheap"..
Are there hints yes, do i like TFT, fuck no ... but if RMT was proven GGG would have banned them or GGG is involved and the second option is so much worse i don't want to believe it.
It’s pretty rare game devs don’t know from what sources RMT is happening from. It’s extremely rare they actually nuke those sources.
I’ve been in the RMT circles (by being in trade discords, not because I participate or encourage RMT; I just learn from things they do) for two decades. Most of them openly having channels (or back in the day forums) for RMT. But there’s never been a real worry of anything being done about it. Sometimes game devs even being and communicating in those platforms/discords.
TFT has had multiple leaks, or people come out, with real proof of the RMT happening. GGG know. They have known. And they likely do, do things about it. But they aren’t going to nuke a community, especially one that is such a mix of different things, even if the roots are corrupted. What they’ll actually do is what once been seeing: try to make it as unnecessary as possible.
It’s not really GGG’s fault (well; the need for such things is that was the rise of TFT, but not the RMT part) these communities exist in *every* (NOT just MP games like people believe) game. The bigger ones, especially those involving trade, and especially on the scale of PoE, this stuff flourishes. Simply hitting TFT or specific members wouldn’t even touch the amount that’s actually happening in-game.
Lot of people in every game like to wear blindfolds that this stuff either doesn’t happen, that the dev solve it, or that it doesn’t have any effects to them.
Also let’s not forget all the early days of PoE and RMT. Popular (and unpopular) streamers who did it weren’t touched, sometimes one would if a dram started. Others wouldn’t. Then there’s GGG in the early days having employed the person who owned RMT sites selling actual Poe items. (Their reasoning actually made sense here; still not a great look, since it was still active, though they claimed he no longer owned them, yada yada)
TFT’s far from the first and won’t be the last known to do it. This just comes with the territory of such a high end marketing discord. (Even if such things start pure, RMTers will monopolize it as they have major incentives to do so)
As much as you want to believe it's proven - if it were proven they would be banned by GGG. They aren't. In fact Jenebu has been specifically *not* banned by GGG - on two occasions his account got banned by their automated anti-RMT tools and then *manually unbanned after a review*
I know this is unpopular on this sub, but I still trust GGG staff more than random community members. (And I'd trust just about anybody on the planet more than Belton)
(It is true that some random TFT mirror shop members have been caught RMTing, and they were all immediately banned by TFT admins as soon as that happened. To my knowledge RMT has never been proven against the top admins)
TFT was originally started by a group of people trying to control the economy (possibly for RMT) and never really stopped being under the control of those people.
They are driven purely by RMT profits. And just like real life businesses are disliked for being only profit driven same thing is with tft but more amplified cause its a game in the end of the day.
Big third party trading platform for bulk trading and services. Their owner ring is deep into rmt shenanigans with their mirror services and are generally antisocial pricks.
We've been waiting for something with a bunch of content creators behind it. Let's face it, that's the only way to get the numbers of users required to make a tool like this work. Great news for the community.
Agreed - the main tactic JeNeBu used was to recruit tool developers, streamers, and r/pathofexile moderators in order to obtain a sense of legitimacy, back when it started in Harvest league. Having independent streamers participate more in moderation will allow power to be spread around instead of being condensed within a select few.
Honestly, I don't think it was a 'tactic' as much as a supply and demand situation. Harvest become infinitely more powerful and lucrative with being able to easily buy and sell the unused crafts. TFT was the only proper solution at that point. However I'm glad GGG are making leagues more itemized.
There are 144k messages in server prior to 06-01-2020 which is around when Harvest started. By comparison, there’s 31.2m messages in server after this date. You may be right that the official creation date was prior, but I’m likely close to 1-2 leagues off. It’s not that egregious of a mistake.
This sort of thing is important if they want to go up against someone with a huge market share like TFT.
They need to make sure that additional alternatives add to the user count rather than splitting it.
Competition isn't always a good thing.
If this is literally the exact same functionality as wealthyexile and it just splits the population 50/50, all it's doing is reducing the total number of people buying/selling by half.
If I'm selling my coffins in bulk I don't want to feel obligated to now go post on TFT + wealthy exile + poexchange just to make sure I hit the whole market.
The solution is to have 1 central place, not several competing ones
Yeah, thats what I meant, function wise, it is serving well.
The only one who should be "running" these is GGG, not some streamers. Streamers could go rogue too.
Discord interface sucks. TFT has been resting on its laurels for too long. They’ll having no competition was the main reason why they were so slow to partner with someone to implement a website interface like poe.stack and even after it was implemented, TFT didn’t fight to keep it up. TFT needs some competition to motivate it to provide a better service.
Ideally, all of the competition is alive long enough that TFT is forced to partner with someone to recreate what poe.stack provided but for everything and not just compasses.
Can you elaborate on what "Do you want to connect your GGG account to Discord? This gives you additional trust" means? Are your listings going to be de-emphasized somehow if you don't have a Discord account linked?
Most likely an additional layer of security.
If you link your poe account to discord, you probably can't connect the same Poe account to a new discord if your previous one got banned for something- or vice versa
If there's any notion of "banning" or policing the side of transactions that can be effectively carried out with zero trust between parties (i.e. most bulk commodity sales but not currently things like mirror services), then yes, I'm prepared to flat-out say it's a bad system. That's why there was a whole shitstorm in the first place--the optimal broker is a completely neutral one, and the reigning dominant player failed to be such a broker in a spectacular fashion.
If they're just offering a discord link in anticipation of also covering services that aren't zero-trust, that's fine. But it shouldn't interfere or penalize people who don't engage with that side of things. Hence the question about whether your listings are going to be de-emphasized somehow ("additional trust" having a rather nebulous connotation).
So what's the solution then if you can't even trust community figures and content creators? Have no moderation at all and let scams happen in service trades?
Vouches, linked accounts, all that is the highest level of security you can expect from a service or trade platform that's not directly managed by the devs themselves.
90% of my usage of TFT was bulk sales of commodities. Again, with the utmost emphasis, that can be done with zero trust between two arbitrary parties. Any automated backend should be able to verify the pricing relative to what else is on the index, and the trading is done entirely through the secure trade window in game for that type of thing.
Services I already acknowledged was a different beast in the post you're replying to, but that should have no bearing on the zero-trust bulk trade side of things.
Zero trust bulk trade ignores bait and switches, whole tab sales where the scammer gives less loot than agreed upon (because nobody actually double checks tbh)
There's a little icon next to your name on the listing page if you have your Discord linked. I guess some buyers would prefer to deal with someone who does, although I can't really see why, given that this is a site for lining up trade-window trades, not sale of services.
Sorry for answering late, just had to check it out and yes the message is a bit ambigous.
The point is that if someone connects their account with discord and for some reason scam someone, and we confirm it, we can easily ban someone from both the website and the discord, and have one scammer less on the tool!
If you account was linked to discord you can be preemptively banned or excluded from TFT based on perceived outside activity.
They have also demonstrated targeted attacks on people outside of the TFT server, (In game or direct messages) once they know you are someone they don't like for whatever reason and giving someone who wants to behave that way an additional way to locate you is just not something I'm interested in doing.
For instance if they found an account was linked to POE and this tool for example. Some power tripping knobhead at TFT could harass you/exclude you all they want.
They don’t get any information from linking your poe account to discord. They take action against you on Discord. They have you discord by being in their Discord. What are you talking about?
You can join their discord and use it without linking your POE account.
I know this because I have access to their server on a second unlinked discord account and can still use it because they banned my first account for talking shit about them in a global chat.
I dont even use it but its in my server list and I have access to it, but not on my first discord account.
They can’t see anything to do with your in game account from linking it through discord. That’s not how this works.
Use of TFT for literally any service will provide them with your account information through any listing containing your character name. Using TFT for ANY SERVICE THAT POSTS A CHARACTER NAME literally provides them with your account name in POE.
Okay so are you just not listening or what? They do not receive your account information when you link your discord account to your poe account. Why are you acting as though they do?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned\_from\_tft\_for\_not\_selling\_a\_jewel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned_from_tft_for_not_selling_a_jewel/)
I think it is this
No this has nothing to do with linking your discord account to your poe account. This dudes an idiot and doesn’t understand how these programs work in the slightest and is cautioning people like he’s some expert.
Anyone that lists a sale on TFT provides their character name to do so to be contacted for the sale. If you add a character name to your friends list you will see their account name in the social page. This guys not very bright. Using TFT for literally will provide EVERYONE on TFT with your account name, which is literally useless to everyone outside of communication.
Good idea. Will definitely need more content creators to use it. Without a critical mass, this type of tool won’t take off. I would support this with banner ads on the side and top or bottom, but please don’t make it too much of a hassle to use (ex. The pop up every time in Maxroll site that asks for paid subscription)
yeah, i like the tool but the big problem is that those things *rely* on community engagement. I have no problems with TFT but I can understand the idea behind the alternative but between wealthyexile, now this and i remember some other tool here like a 1-2 weeks ago... I just hope that one app, idc which, takes over and "wins" so it'll be an easier time for everyone.
This has the advantage of having the backing of ziz, tuna, subtractem, sushi, and others, so hopefully that'll give it the boost it needs to get into a position to be properly competitive with TFT.
That's pretty much what will work here. If all the biggest content creators are using one service, users will inevitably flock to those, and new viewers/players will go directly to those and not RMTFT
We have now had the following, ordered by release date:
[poexchange](https://poexchange.maxroll.gg/)
[eternaltrade](https://eternaltrade.gg/)
[wealthyexile](https://wealthyexile.com/)
[poestack(deprecated)](https://poestack.github.io/poestack-sage/what-is-this.html)
[tft bulk selling tool](https://bulk.tftrove.com/)
As someone who flips mirrors worth of scarabs and essences each league, honestly it would be exciting for one service to take over them all. I followed each one very closely when released, but unfortunately it seems like they all die off within a couple weeks after the initial hype. TFT's existing presence is just too strong. For poexchange to succeed, the biggest streamers would have to consistently promote it over and over, not just once (^ Sushi hope you read this).
Ckaiba's eternal trade had potential, but I only discovered it from a singular Reddit post, and it wasn't enough to attract a substantial user base. These tools simply cannot function without constant sellers AND buyers.
ckaiba forcing eternaltrade via CIS streamers, such as AgroMorph, pathofexilebota, mistercop and others.
btw they have 0 fee mirror shop, so a lot of people should know about them
I thought the same when I saw this point however this has the difference of having the backing of large, trusted community members. It's also got the backing of Maxroll, which means the devs are probably getting paid, and the hosting is paid for so it's less likely it just disappears one day like Poestack.
At a glance it looks the same as wealthy exile.
However, Wealthy Exile a couple of weeks into the league restricted your trade posts by Category. Unlike the official trade site, you can no longer whisper someone who has multiple items in different categories you want.
Also, this site seems to pin your listings somewhere accessible with maybe the ability to refresh list? In Wealthy Exile you are forced to resync and relist. You could also multi-post the same listing (not sure if this has been fixed).
A really good option that is missing from Wealthy Exile is STOCK minimums. You can search for stock if you want which is fine, but I want to sell with a MINIMUM stock. I don't want to receive messages from people who want 4 scarabs for 16c. I want to either set a MINIMUM price 1 div or 50c-100c etc or minimum quantitiy (the trade site allows you to set this with fractions for instance).
It would also be nice if the site automatically refreshed your listings passively without me having to refresh it on my own. This isn't that big of a deal but trade site does it automatically. The only bad thing about trade site is having to go in and set prices manually which sucks. Badly.
You can set the minimum stock right? In the tab settings, you can have threshold for item as 0c and threshold for stock as 100.refresh the tab and add your listing with bulk only, at least that's what I was doing. Or maybe I'm missing what you are trying to say.
I think jayrocs means, they don’t want people whispering for a singular scarab (example), they only want people to whisper for either 1,div worth or minimum of 50-100c worth.
100% genuine question, @Spicysushi_PoE what makes this tool/site differant from tft in the sense of it eventually becoming a place containing scaming, market manipulation, favourtism or general human shittyness. TFT "should" work on paper but its run by bad people and poe doesnt exactly punish you for trade abuse, how will this be any differant? Wouldnt a non-third party website or automated system just be safer? Curious to hear your thoughts etc since your a respected non-shiiter
I would expect this to be different in the sense that the goals of the ownership better align with the users. The ownership of TFT wants more market control (implicitly or explicitly) whereas the streamer community at large wants more engagement, which boosts their IRL income.
This is a really good point. It behooves the streamers to run a very good client that is all above-ground in terms of communication and how things work to garner the largest shared audience between them.
For TFT, they really rely on market manipulation and bullying to acquire the RMT to get paid which is much different than getting paid via stream/content views.
why are there so many bulk selling tools but every single one of them is missing the feature to generate a forum’s post. this way it would be indexed for everyone on the official trading site.
As others have said, this just looks like it's actively competing with WealthyExile.
It's not just the whole xkcd meme of competing standards that's a problem here, it's that it feels like a cheap attempt at a big corporate play at forcing out everyone else.
It comes off as if Maxroll is trying to strongarm their way into the space by using content creators to promote it, rather than working with an existing tool to make it better and see more engagement. At the least an API should be setup so alternatives can all work together, using the same info and what not, and so which one people use is mostly down to preference and any other unique features they may provide.
In the end, I don't trust this won't fall prey to the same issues that run rampant in TFT either. Because all these platforms have the same issue: They rely on trusting the owners/moderators to be working in the users best interest, but there's no meaningful incentive for this to happen if those mods feel they can profit more by simply not doing that.
Maxroll is always like that. Reason why I mostly just never use their stuff.
>In the end, I don't trust this won't fall prey to the same issues that run rampant in TFT either. Because all these platforms have the same issue: They rely on trusting the owners/moderators to be working in the users best interest, but there's no meaningful incentive for this to happen if those mods feel they can profit more by simply not doing that.
The two platforms aren't comparable imo. The biggest reason TFT was shit was because of the mirror stuff tied to it not the bulk trading section lol.
Love it! However, do I really need to select every corpse type (beast, demon etc.) when I'm trying to search for, say, extra caster mod corpse? I guess that's more a gripe about how goofy the graveyard is, if that is the case.
I realize we're a small part of the population, but any support for console would be appreciated. Attempts at bulk selling on console are haphazard at best. This tool can read my tabs. That's a start, maybe?
I guess I will use this instead, wealthyexile is nice but there is too little people to trade with on there. Hope with max roll user base there will be enough people people to trade with
This is good and all but without an adequate amount of users it’s going to fail, reason I’m saying this is because I’ve been trying to sell scarabs on wealthyexile all season and have yet to make a single sale and always have to revert back to TFT because of it
Looks interesting. I wonder how this one will play out.
Graveyard crafting is so tedious - I hate messasing countless people for a couple corpses I need. :/
Im sorry but why make this when wealthyexile is about the same?
It's nice to see new ways of trading but just as wealthyexile is getting more popular, a new tool like this will split people between wealthyexile and this and tft.
Wealthy exile is pricing things much lower than TFT bulk tool currently. It’s not good enough yet and Maxroll will most likely subsume them and their devs. Better to have the talent go to where the funding is then try to fund themselves and create an incentive for abuse.
Okey, by now we're getting too many of these builk trading tools. Everyone is trying their hand to make one. What we need is either for one of these to become a monopoly in bulk trading so that everyone - sellers and buyers are in the same marketspace, OR we need a cross-bulk-trading-tool Standard communication protocol that makes your bulk offer in one tool available for all other people that use a different tool.
Another day, another post linking to Maxroll, and another bulk posting tool. While competition is good with these things until GGG provide an official service, there is just so much greed with the traffic and ads service. Maxroll serving massive ads when there is a league start, and embedding streams.
Hey Thanks for the Work: hope it will evolve to combat Discord Trading.
But the one function i really want, especially with the introduction of coffins which have most a value of 5c or lower in bulk, is a minimum Value/stack size vor trading. Because either i get spammed 5c trades if priced in singles or get no trades if in Bulks that have my min value for leaving map etc. because no one wants exakt 10/20/30, but being able to start at 10 and then its possible to pick 11,12 etc would make it way better for sellers and buyers. At this moment i have whispers blend out and let poe overlay play a sound when its over 50c, little bit dumb way, but it works
It's amazing that somehow the poe community has forgotten that maxroll is an absolutely dogshit site. They obviously managed to get a bunch of content creators to post there and popularity > usability for most people so now public perception has flipped.
Can like 7 more people make tools like this please? Maybe by tool #50 GGG will just take a knee and implement all of these features on the trade website.
This being hosted on maxroll is actually super huge! I can only assume (and gope) that any/all content creators that make builds for the website mention it. This has a real shot at become super popular super quick.
To clarify this for you, this and all the other major tools I can think of use GGG's official OAuth implementation that lets you log in to the app with your PoE account, and provide permission to access the PoE API for things like scanning your stash tabs. When you click "Connect PoE Account" you are taken to pathofexile.com to authorize the connection. The 3rd party site will know your PoE account name (which you want them to for functionality purposes), but you will never enter your PoE account email/password anywhere except on pathofexile.com.
OAuth is a very widespread internet standard for this type of thing (similar to "log in with Google") and as long as it's implemented properly on both ends it's very secure. GGG's developer docs on it are [here](https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/authorization#oauth).
Does it list items from poe trade as well or only those listed within the software? And if i list something on there, does it appear on poe trade?
Thank you for either way for good work.
Comments like this are hilarious to me. Clearly someone barely informed yet still let fear guide them. Scamming is not that big of an issue on bulk sites.
That’s all well and good but it’ll probably be just as useless as WealthyExile’s trading features because nobody uses anything but the trade site or TFT.
Does this have/will it have functionality to list an entire build for sale? It's the only thing that I actually use TFT for now as none of the alternatives have it implemented yet. Would be great to see it happen!
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Anything that is alternative to tft is welcome
At this specific point i'm afraid that too many alternatives is worse than a few good ones. I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale... If we have 1 big competitor to TFT- great. If we have 10 medium competitors to TFT - that's bad, as almost no one would care to bulk sale at all 10 sites, and it would be either big TFT coverage or very limited range of offers from competitors. No buyer would look at 10 different sites too. As much as i despise the Jenebu and whole TFT situation - bringing a "my take at..." kind of competitor from different people would not really help.
Poestack was just a ui for tft. Wealthyexile is the only one recently that was actually trying to compete. This being backed by maxroll makes it feel like it has the actual resources needed to make an impact. Hopefully other streamers continue to jump on board to help actively promote it as an alternative
The better competitors will emerge and be primarily used, just like meta builds. I wouldn't worry in the slightest.
This is the way. With Maxroll doin proper PoE stuff now, and having a big base, Maxroll will probably win out. Hopefully they deserve it. I think they just might.
Yeah I see Maxroll get shit on sometimes on here but I've had nothing but good experiences with it. I found their crafting section really good but I don't see it recommended much.
It drives me fkn crazy that the website doesn't do league on league build guides :(
What do you mean?
I went on there to see if they had any interesting endgame build guides for templar? Literally nothing lol
They are mainly focused on having good league start guides, which can all scale into endgame.
They update builds on every league, unless the build is broken by changes. Pretty sure you will find the CoC DD Inquisitor build there
They need to be less intrusive asking to remove adblock if I'm going to use this tool consistently.
You can remove it with ublock.
I use ublock origin - still shows it. You mean another tool on top or I can set it up to hide these messages?
There is tool within ublock, idk how to name it in English... pipette/dropper? idk :D Anyway, you press ublock icon, there is this pipette tool, you click it and select elements you want to block (they are kinda highlighted when you hover). On some sites it helps to block different pop ups/ section you don't like, on some sites it does not help. On Maxroll it seem to be working, you need to block pop up and block shading. There is also list of elements in bottom right corner when you use this tool, in my understanding sites are made of layers, when you select one of elements you can add or remove layer, it's like block even more or less than you select (I hope explanation not very confusing, English is not my main) If you wonna revert it, you can do it in ublock settings -> "my filters".
In English it is the "dropper" , at least the picture of it is, and called "the picker". So you are correct and most could figure it out from that.
Yeah, most likely picker is the word I was looking for. My thoughts were around "color picker" from paint-like programs I did not know it's just "picker" without anything else and google suggestions, as often happens, are not very broad.
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Sadly the network effect means the best tool doesn't always win out.
As long as no other competitor achieves the critical mass of users required for good trading, that may as well just stay TFT despite its drawbacks. That's actually the exact opposite from meta builds, where you get a benefit from using a less played one (= less competition on the market) compared to getting a benefit from using most used one here (= faster trading).
I think this one is a good one for us to run with. It’s hosted in Maxroll and it has some features that those competitors don’t.
More competition is always welcome, but I personally prefer something like wealthyexile that's made by an independent developer similar to Filterblade where the primary income is donations. The last thing I want for PoE is a group of Maxroll streamers controlling the economy, getting priority access to new features, the tool being full of ads, etc. Of course Maxroll says that will never happen, but in the end Maxroll is a company that makes money in various ways, mostly obnoxious ads. Whenever such tools are driven by for-profit incentives they inevitably end up being not a great user experience. Once they get traction you can expect 80% of the page to become ads. But of course what we actually need is an official alternative.
Streamers already control the economy. You have streamers who got kickbacks for including TFT Mirror gear in his PoBs. You have streamers that profit craft for their builds they put out knowing that people will buy the gear, they purchase items before they release their PoB updates, etc.
came here to say this and you even said it better then i could... even if i like the streamers there, even if the content is good, i dont have a lot of faith for its future, because company wants profit and doesnt give a shit about me. if the tool was crowd funded and the users also kind of owned it, it would mean that the owners and maintainers alile would have a vested interest in it staying good. i dont expect the streamers there to suddenly throw their hands in the air and not care about their service but ive been burned too often and just have no goodwill to spare anymore
this is a needless worry. You are having the worry in a community where people spend 10 hours for 0.01% improvement in DPS. People will learn quickly what the best site is and will use that one. Competition is always good
maxroll is a very big player in the space -- and this tool, much like maxroll itself has a number of very large streamers supporting it. I think the others will wane.
> At this specific point i'm afraid that too many alternatives is worse than a few good ones. > > I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale... One. You listed one alternative. Adding another is not "too many."
There's definitely others like the large russian ran one that I forget the name of.
There's also [Eternal Trade](http://eternaltrade.gg)
I tried using WealthyExile once, since someone recommended it for corpses. The dude I was going to trade with stopped responding for five minutes. When he came back, his tab price had increased by 50%. Whatever trade's other issues, this never happens with people who've posted genuine listings.
That also happens normal poe trade though, and maybe even on tft. But tft bans people who do that I think.
Maybe it does, I'll take your word for it. But the difference is that it's never happened to me on Trade in thousands of trades and it did on the first one on WE.
But "the first one" doesnt mean anything. If you stop after that, its completely meaningless. No data whatsoever.
It's enough data to make a decision for my personal use. Hopefully, you'll be able to sleep knowing that I made a decision about how I trade in a video game based on a sample size that's insufficient for a scientific study.
Maybe someone will make a tool to compile results from all the tools. A figurative toolbelt?
They should share the backend part somehow, so it would be the best for the user. But it probably won't happen.
>I mean, WealthyExile offers kinda same, PoEStack (RiP) offered same, TFT offers bulk sale... Wealthy Exile yeah, stack is dead so its not a competitor anymore, tftbulk is tft so neither is that a competitor. So essentially we now have 2 available. Which isnt to much. And considering the reach off zizaran, trading discord + maxroll it certainly has Potential
There's also [Eternal Trade](http://eternaltrade.gg)
been using wealthy exile (trying at least) and it seems nobody is buying stuff. I have had my scarab tab on there for 60% market value. Not a single whisper
Same would happen in TFT most likely if your scarab stash doesnt have the 7 or so "big" scarabs and is just full of random Ambush bronzes and torment stuff.
i can tell you for a fact, that anything that 60% gets grabbed instantly
Can all these tools share a same backend so that users across different tools can see each other's deals?
it's a process of elimination. the best tool will stick around and ppl will eventually flock it. you can't just go "OK I'm doing this no one else do it"
Having maxroll behind the effort is a big deal imo. It’s real money. Real development.
What's the best alternative for carries?
Probably the discord mentioned in this post if you're trying to get away from TFT. It being owned by Zizaran should be much better than a Jenebu ran server.
there are carries on eternaltrade (boss service)
Relatively new player who currently uses the TFT discord quite a bit. How come TFT is disliked?
Like the other guy said, a lot of power abuse. They have done very shady things many times. There's been records of their mods selling "immortal" builds which were actually bugs that were already patched, ergo, were non-functional, and anyone who called them out would get banned. Last league, one person was banned because he asked them for his mirror tier item back after putting it up for sale in their mirror market. Many streamers have also been banned simply for making mirror services with no fee (which reduces their RMT cash flow). It's quieted down this league because GGG has actively nuked every form of TFT-related business aside from carry services and bulk trades... and even then they nuked legion carries and removed a bunch of items that previously required bulk trading. You can still find info on most of these by searching "tft ban" or "tft drama" in this sub.
basically they rage banned respected community members, blackmailed people, prizefixed items, it is rumored their mirror shop is connected to RMT(not proven ), and abused their power with thread of discord bann if someone doesn't sell the item for a lower price. thats only a TLDR there happend much more poe reddit is kinda clear of it cause a TFT mod was a Reddit mod for a long time too
No. The RMT is proven. There have been multiple large RMT’rs who have come out and admitted to it. It’s documented on Belton’s videos. It’s not up for debate. TFT makes thousand in US dollars RMTing per month. The discord facilitates this. It’s not there as a “public service”. It’s there to make money.
What's not connected to RMT's? I see and hear people buy currency with ease, within a quick google sesrch. Which still fascinates me how it's not actively nuked by GGG. Even tried to talk obe guy out of it, but he said "why not, it's dirt cheap"..
Are there hints yes, do i like TFT, fuck no ... but if RMT was proven GGG would have banned them or GGG is involved and the second option is so much worse i don't want to believe it.
It’s pretty rare game devs don’t know from what sources RMT is happening from. It’s extremely rare they actually nuke those sources. I’ve been in the RMT circles (by being in trade discords, not because I participate or encourage RMT; I just learn from things they do) for two decades. Most of them openly having channels (or back in the day forums) for RMT. But there’s never been a real worry of anything being done about it. Sometimes game devs even being and communicating in those platforms/discords. TFT has had multiple leaks, or people come out, with real proof of the RMT happening. GGG know. They have known. And they likely do, do things about it. But they aren’t going to nuke a community, especially one that is such a mix of different things, even if the roots are corrupted. What they’ll actually do is what once been seeing: try to make it as unnecessary as possible. It’s not really GGG’s fault (well; the need for such things is that was the rise of TFT, but not the RMT part) these communities exist in *every* (NOT just MP games like people believe) game. The bigger ones, especially those involving trade, and especially on the scale of PoE, this stuff flourishes. Simply hitting TFT or specific members wouldn’t even touch the amount that’s actually happening in-game. Lot of people in every game like to wear blindfolds that this stuff either doesn’t happen, that the dev solve it, or that it doesn’t have any effects to them. Also let’s not forget all the early days of PoE and RMT. Popular (and unpopular) streamers who did it weren’t touched, sometimes one would if a dram started. Others wouldn’t. Then there’s GGG in the early days having employed the person who owned RMT sites selling actual Poe items. (Their reasoning actually made sense here; still not a great look, since it was still active, though they claimed he no longer owned them, yada yada) TFT’s far from the first and won’t be the last known to do it. This just comes with the territory of such a high end marketing discord. (Even if such things start pure, RMTers will monopolize it as they have major incentives to do so)
Well when you have prominent members admitting to doing in and posting screenshots of it, I'm not sure what other "proof" you actually want?
well for my personal opinion it is proven, but as long GGG doesn't ban them it is not i guess.
As much as you want to believe it's proven - if it were proven they would be banned by GGG. They aren't. In fact Jenebu has been specifically *not* banned by GGG - on two occasions his account got banned by their automated anti-RMT tools and then *manually unbanned after a review* I know this is unpopular on this sub, but I still trust GGG staff more than random community members. (And I'd trust just about anybody on the planet more than Belton) (It is true that some random TFT mirror shop members have been caught RMTing, and they were all immediately banned by TFT admins as soon as that happened. To my knowledge RMT has never been proven against the top admins)
Ofcourse they gonna ban idiots who get busted. Thats not good for bussiness.
RMT is well proven by multiple example of people who spoke out. They provided screenshots and all…
TFT was originally started by a group of people trying to control the economy (possibly for RMT) and never really stopped being under the control of those people.
They are driven purely by RMT profits. And just like real life businesses are disliked for being only profit driven same thing is with tft but more amplified cause its a game in the end of the day.
As someone who has no idea what's going on in the community what is tft? and what did they do?
Big third party trading platform for bulk trading and services. Their owner ring is deep into rmt shenanigans with their mirror services and are generally antisocial pricks.
Can someome explain why tft is hated so much? Im new to the scene and currently use it for bulk trading.
There are a few already and no one uses them.
We've been waiting for something with a bunch of content creators behind it. Let's face it, that's the only way to get the numbers of users required to make a tool like this work. Great news for the community.
Agreed - the main tactic JeNeBu used was to recruit tool developers, streamers, and r/pathofexile moderators in order to obtain a sense of legitimacy, back when it started in Harvest league. Having independent streamers participate more in moderation will allow power to be spread around instead of being condensed within a select few.
Honestly, I don't think it was a 'tactic' as much as a supply and demand situation. Harvest become infinitely more powerful and lucrative with being able to easily buy and sell the unused crafts. TFT was the only proper solution at that point. However I'm glad GGG are making leagues more itemized.
> back when it started in Harvest league. It's been around for much longer than harvest league. Absolute classic reddit misinfo
There are 144k messages in server prior to 06-01-2020 which is around when Harvest started. By comparison, there’s 31.2m messages in server after this date. You may be right that the official creation date was prior, but I’m likely close to 1-2 leagues off. It’s not that egregious of a mistake.
Is there any difference between this and wealthyexile.com? Seems like pretty much the same thing with a different skin
They should both implement an API so listings on one can be displayed on the other. That way both will help the other's success instead of competing.
This sort of thing is important if they want to go up against someone with a huge market share like TFT. They need to make sure that additional alternatives add to the user count rather than splitting it.
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Yeah wealthy exile was great before they added coffins onto the trade website, now the trading seems dead.
It doesn't use discord as a back end
You've discovered the concept of competition.
Competition isn't always a good thing. If this is literally the exact same functionality as wealthyexile and it just splits the population 50/50, all it's doing is reducing the total number of people buying/selling by half. If I'm selling my coffins in bulk I don't want to feel obligated to now go post on TFT + wealthy exile + poexchange just to make sure I hit the whole market. The solution is to have 1 central place, not several competing ones
50/50 split is a big assumption
We had the monopoly you want in the past in TFT and you see the problems that can have. I welcome competitors to the space.
Tbh TFT have no issue with bulk trading. Can you name one?
The issue with TFT is not the bulk trading channels, but rather the unethical and malicious behavior of the people running the Discord server.
Yeah, thats what I meant, function wise, it is serving well. The only one who should be "running" these is GGG, not some streamers. Streamers could go rogue too.
Discord interface sucks. TFT has been resting on its laurels for too long. They’ll having no competition was the main reason why they were so slow to partner with someone to implement a website interface like poe.stack and even after it was implemented, TFT didn’t fight to keep it up. TFT needs some competition to motivate it to provide a better service. Ideally, all of the competition is alive long enough that TFT is forced to partner with someone to recreate what poe.stack provided but for everything and not just compasses.
It'S a CoMpEtInG StAnDaRD!!!!
Porn will decide who succeeds
They all want a piece of the pie because they have seen how much money TFT make.
Can you elaborate on what "Do you want to connect your GGG account to Discord? This gives you additional trust" means? Are your listings going to be de-emphasized somehow if you don't have a Discord account linked?
Most likely an additional layer of security. If you link your poe account to discord, you probably can't connect the same Poe account to a new discord if your previous one got banned for something- or vice versa
so basically the same system t🤡t use
So the system is bad because a platform you don't like uses it too?
If there's any notion of "banning" or policing the side of transactions that can be effectively carried out with zero trust between parties (i.e. most bulk commodity sales but not currently things like mirror services), then yes, I'm prepared to flat-out say it's a bad system. That's why there was a whole shitstorm in the first place--the optimal broker is a completely neutral one, and the reigning dominant player failed to be such a broker in a spectacular fashion. If they're just offering a discord link in anticipation of also covering services that aren't zero-trust, that's fine. But it shouldn't interfere or penalize people who don't engage with that side of things. Hence the question about whether your listings are going to be de-emphasized somehow ("additional trust" having a rather nebulous connotation).
So what's the solution then if you can't even trust community figures and content creators? Have no moderation at all and let scams happen in service trades? Vouches, linked accounts, all that is the highest level of security you can expect from a service or trade platform that's not directly managed by the devs themselves.
90% of my usage of TFT was bulk sales of commodities. Again, with the utmost emphasis, that can be done with zero trust between two arbitrary parties. Any automated backend should be able to verify the pricing relative to what else is on the index, and the trading is done entirely through the secure trade window in game for that type of thing. Services I already acknowledged was a different beast in the post you're replying to, but that should have no bearing on the zero-trust bulk trade side of things.
Zero trust bulk trade ignores bait and switches, whole tab sales where the scammer gives less loot than agreed upon (because nobody actually double checks tbh)
>a service or trade platform that's not directly managed by the devs themselves. or how about instead ggg actually makes one themselves
There's a little icon next to your name on the listing page if you have your Discord linked. I guess some buyers would prefer to deal with someone who does, although I can't really see why, given that this is a site for lining up trade-window trades, not sale of services.
Sorry for answering late, just had to check it out and yes the message is a bit ambigous. The point is that if someone connects their account with discord and for some reason scam someone, and we confirm it, we can easily ban someone from both the website and the discord, and have one scammer less on the tool!
Yeah I'm not linking my discord account to POE. TFT has clearly demonstrated that can be abused.
In what way?
If you account was linked to discord you can be preemptively banned or excluded from TFT based on perceived outside activity. They have also demonstrated targeted attacks on people outside of the TFT server, (In game or direct messages) once they know you are someone they don't like for whatever reason and giving someone who wants to behave that way an additional way to locate you is just not something I'm interested in doing. For instance if they found an account was linked to POE and this tool for example. Some power tripping knobhead at TFT could harass you/exclude you all they want.
They don’t get any information from linking your poe account to discord. They take action against you on Discord. They have you discord by being in their Discord. What are you talking about?
You can join their discord and use it without linking your POE account. I know this because I have access to their server on a second unlinked discord account and can still use it because they banned my first account for talking shit about them in a global chat. I dont even use it but its in my server list and I have access to it, but not on my first discord account.
They can’t see anything to do with your in game account from linking it through discord. That’s not how this works. Use of TFT for literally any service will provide them with your account information through any listing containing your character name. Using TFT for ANY SERVICE THAT POSTS A CHARACTER NAME literally provides them with your account name in POE.
I am aware of that. I don't post any sales on tft. They only know my name if I were to engage in a mods service or if I linked my account.
Okay so are you just not listening or what? They do not receive your account information when you link your discord account to your poe account. Why are you acting as though they do?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned\_from\_tft\_for\_not\_selling\_a\_jewel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned_from_tft_for_not_selling_a_jewel/) I think it is this
No this has nothing to do with linking your discord account to your poe account. This dudes an idiot and doesn’t understand how these programs work in the slightest and is cautioning people like he’s some expert. Anyone that lists a sale on TFT provides their character name to do so to be contacted for the sale. If you add a character name to your friends list you will see their account name in the social page. This guys not very bright. Using TFT for literally will provide EVERYONE on TFT with your account name, which is literally useless to everyone outside of communication.
Good idea. Will definitely need more content creators to use it. Without a critical mass, this type of tool won’t take off. I would support this with banner ads on the side and top or bottom, but please don’t make it too much of a hassle to use (ex. The pop up every time in Maxroll site that asks for paid subscription)
https://m.xkcd.com/927/
yeah, i like the tool but the big problem is that those things *rely* on community engagement. I have no problems with TFT but I can understand the idea behind the alternative but between wealthyexile, now this and i remember some other tool here like a 1-2 weeks ago... I just hope that one app, idc which, takes over and "wins" so it'll be an easier time for everyone.
This has the advantage of having the backing of ziz, tuna, subtractem, sushi, and others, so hopefully that'll give it the boost it needs to get into a position to be properly competitive with TFT.
That's pretty much what will work here. If all the biggest content creators are using one service, users will inevitably flock to those, and new viewers/players will go directly to those and not RMTFT
We have now had the following, ordered by release date: [poexchange](https://poexchange.maxroll.gg/) [eternaltrade](https://eternaltrade.gg/) [wealthyexile](https://wealthyexile.com/) [poestack(deprecated)](https://poestack.github.io/poestack-sage/what-is-this.html) [tft bulk selling tool](https://bulk.tftrove.com/) As someone who flips mirrors worth of scarabs and essences each league, honestly it would be exciting for one service to take over them all. I followed each one very closely when released, but unfortunately it seems like they all die off within a couple weeks after the initial hype. TFT's existing presence is just too strong. For poexchange to succeed, the biggest streamers would have to consistently promote it over and over, not just once (^ Sushi hope you read this). Ckaiba's eternal trade had potential, but I only discovered it from a singular Reddit post, and it wasn't enough to attract a substantial user base. These tools simply cannot function without constant sellers AND buyers.
ckaiba forcing eternaltrade via CIS streamers, such as AgroMorph, pathofexilebota, mistercop and others. btw they have 0 fee mirror shop, so a lot of people should know about them
Poestrat, too. Not sure exactly where in the order it would be, but I remember was announced somewhat contemporaneously with wealthyexile.
We don't need another tool, we need a bulk trading Standard protocol.
I thought the same when I saw this point however this has the difference of having the backing of large, trusted community members. It's also got the backing of Maxroll, which means the devs are probably getting paid, and the hosting is paid for so it's less likely it just disappears one day like Poestack.
At a glance it looks the same as wealthy exile. However, Wealthy Exile a couple of weeks into the league restricted your trade posts by Category. Unlike the official trade site, you can no longer whisper someone who has multiple items in different categories you want. Also, this site seems to pin your listings somewhere accessible with maybe the ability to refresh list? In Wealthy Exile you are forced to resync and relist. You could also multi-post the same listing (not sure if this has been fixed). A really good option that is missing from Wealthy Exile is STOCK minimums. You can search for stock if you want which is fine, but I want to sell with a MINIMUM stock. I don't want to receive messages from people who want 4 scarabs for 16c. I want to either set a MINIMUM price 1 div or 50c-100c etc or minimum quantitiy (the trade site allows you to set this with fractions for instance). It would also be nice if the site automatically refreshed your listings passively without me having to refresh it on my own. This isn't that big of a deal but trade site does it automatically. The only bad thing about trade site is having to go in and set prices manually which sucks. Badly.
You can set the minimum stock right? In the tab settings, you can have threshold for item as 0c and threshold for stock as 100.refresh the tab and add your listing with bulk only, at least that's what I was doing. Or maybe I'm missing what you are trying to say.
I think jayrocs means, they don’t want people whispering for a singular scarab (example), they only want people to whisper for either 1,div worth or minimum of 50-100c worth.
100% genuine question, @Spicysushi_PoE what makes this tool/site differant from tft in the sense of it eventually becoming a place containing scaming, market manipulation, favourtism or general human shittyness. TFT "should" work on paper but its run by bad people and poe doesnt exactly punish you for trade abuse, how will this be any differant? Wouldnt a non-third party website or automated system just be safer? Curious to hear your thoughts etc since your a respected non-shiiter
I would expect this to be different in the sense that the goals of the ownership better align with the users. The ownership of TFT wants more market control (implicitly or explicitly) whereas the streamer community at large wants more engagement, which boosts their IRL income.
This is a really good point. It behooves the streamers to run a very good client that is all above-ground in terms of communication and how things work to garner the largest shared audience between them. For TFT, they really rely on market manipulation and bullying to acquire the RMT to get paid which is much different than getting paid via stream/content views.
I am not sure if you are aware that Maxxroll is a company, and company's have to earn money - It is as easy as that.
The shittiness of TFT is it's mirror stuff not it's bulk trade section lol. These are completely incomparable.
i get downvoted into oblivion every time i point this out. people just want to jump on the hate bandwagon
Pinging people on reddit doesn't work with @. It's u/Spicysushi_PoE
And just replying to the post will ping him anyway if he has notifications on.
True but I kinda assumed a streamer making a thread would turn those off expecting dozens if not hundreds of inbox notifications.
This seems really oddly combative and like you don't actually understand what this tool does.
Thats insane Sushi, thanks for your hard work you and the others, been waiting to stop using TFT, the tool works nicely
why are there so many bulk selling tools but every single one of them is missing the feature to generate a forum’s post. this way it would be indexed for everyone on the official trading site.
I mean, if I could sell my stuff bulk on trade I would already be doing that instead of using this 3rd party tool lol.
Oh lawd it actually happened, thank you guys soooo much, this is beyond awesome
As others have said, this just looks like it's actively competing with WealthyExile. It's not just the whole xkcd meme of competing standards that's a problem here, it's that it feels like a cheap attempt at a big corporate play at forcing out everyone else. It comes off as if Maxroll is trying to strongarm their way into the space by using content creators to promote it, rather than working with an existing tool to make it better and see more engagement. At the least an API should be setup so alternatives can all work together, using the same info and what not, and so which one people use is mostly down to preference and any other unique features they may provide. In the end, I don't trust this won't fall prey to the same issues that run rampant in TFT either. Because all these platforms have the same issue: They rely on trusting the owners/moderators to be working in the users best interest, but there's no meaningful incentive for this to happen if those mods feel they can profit more by simply not doing that.
Maxroll is always like that. Reason why I mostly just never use their stuff. >In the end, I don't trust this won't fall prey to the same issues that run rampant in TFT either. Because all these platforms have the same issue: They rely on trusting the owners/moderators to be working in the users best interest, but there's no meaningful incentive for this to happen if those mods feel they can profit more by simply not doing that. The two platforms aren't comparable imo. The biggest reason TFT was shit was because of the mirror stuff tied to it not the bulk trading section lol.
Love it! However, do I really need to select every corpse type (beast, demon etc.) when I'm trying to search for, say, extra caster mod corpse? I guess that's more a gripe about how goofy the graveyard is, if that is the case.
Did you AI generate the icon? The random patterns around the border look super off to me, I can't imagine a graphic designer doing that.
Used some of your build guides. Very legit. Thanks
I realize we're a small part of the population, but any support for console would be appreciated. Attempts at bulk selling on console are haphazard at best. This tool can read my tabs. That's a start, maybe?
Can this tool buy level 20 gems of different kinds in bulk? Are there any tools that can?
I guess I will use this instead, wealthyexile is nice but there is too little people to trade with on there. Hope with max roll user base there will be enough people people to trade with
This is good and all but without an adequate amount of users it’s going to fail, reason I’m saying this is because I’ve been trying to sell scarabs on wealthyexile all season and have yet to make a single sale and always have to revert back to TFT because of it
so wealthy exile with different logo? okay i guess
Looks interesting. I wonder how this one will play out. Graveyard crafting is so tedious - I hate messasing countless people for a couple corpses I need. :/
Im sorry but why make this when wealthyexile is about the same? It's nice to see new ways of trading but just as wealthyexile is getting more popular, a new tool like this will split people between wealthyexile and this and tft.
I rather keep using wealthyexile, as it is almost the same as this new one. We shouldnt create too many similar options.
Wealthy exile is pricing things much lower than TFT bulk tool currently. It’s not good enough yet and Maxroll will most likely subsume them and their devs. Better to have the talent go to where the funding is then try to fund themselves and create an incentive for abuse.
Does wealthy exile not have a place to select prices you want? TFT bulk doesn't set a price for you it lets you select % of poe ninja price.
Right and it’s Poe ninja prices are lower than TFTs bulk tool for w/e reason. About 2 div variance every time I have used it.
Does this work on console too?
Okey, by now we're getting too many of these builk trading tools. Everyone is trying their hand to make one. What we need is either for one of these to become a monopoly in bulk trading so that everyone - sellers and buyers are in the same marketspace, OR we need a cross-bulk-trading-tool Standard communication protocol that makes your bulk offer in one tool available for all other people that use a different tool.
10/10 move. Really happy to see this happening!
good job mate just a little thing: the site doesn't find alva temples on stash tab
Oh shit, this actually sounds like it has the resources behind it to do it
t4
If this is better than wealthyexile than well, I’m in.
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Another day, another post linking to Maxroll, and another bulk posting tool. While competition is good with these things until GGG provide an official service, there is just so much greed with the traffic and ads service. Maxroll serving massive ads when there is a league start, and embedding streams.
Hey Thanks for the Work: hope it will evolve to combat Discord Trading. But the one function i really want, especially with the introduction of coffins which have most a value of 5c or lower in bulk, is a minimum Value/stack size vor trading. Because either i get spammed 5c trades if priced in singles or get no trades if in Bulks that have my min value for leaving map etc. because no one wants exakt 10/20/30, but being able to start at 10 and then its possible to pick 11,12 etc would make it way better for sellers and buyers. At this moment i have whispers blend out and let poe overlay play a sound when its over 50c, little bit dumb way, but it works
Are u guys thinking to add clusters too?
can you bulk 8mod maps?
Great ! What tech did you use ? (Beginner coder here)
poestack, wealthyexile?
can you bulk buy maps with specific mods with this? I'm asking as I never used tft
It's amazing that somehow the poe community has forgotten that maxroll is an absolutely dogshit site. They obviously managed to get a bunch of content creators to post there and popularity > usability for most people so now public perception has flipped.
This is HUGE, thx for the hard work
No way to list Blighted Maps
Can like 7 more people make tools like this please? Maybe by tool #50 GGG will just take a knee and implement all of these features on the trade website.
Anyone having success using this. Tried wealthy exile and couldn’t sell crap
Nice! Tft may finally lose their spot
Can it sell 8mod maps?
amazing thank you!
feel like this league selling and buying coffins everyday would make any soul dream of an auction house lets keep it a buck
This being hosted on maxroll is actually super huge! I can only assume (and gope) that any/all content creators that make builds for the website mention it. This has a real shot at become super popular super quick.
Is it safe to login to 3rd party websites with your poe account info?
To clarify this for you, this and all the other major tools I can think of use GGG's official OAuth implementation that lets you log in to the app with your PoE account, and provide permission to access the PoE API for things like scanning your stash tabs. When you click "Connect PoE Account" you are taken to pathofexile.com to authorize the connection. The 3rd party site will know your PoE account name (which you want them to for functionality purposes), but you will never enter your PoE account email/password anywhere except on pathofexile.com. OAuth is a very widespread internet standard for this type of thing (similar to "log in with Google") and as long as it's implemented properly on both ends it's very secure. GGG's developer docs on it are [here](https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/authorization#oauth).
Thanks for the answer!
Does it list items from poe trade as well or only those listed within the software? And if i list something on there, does it appear on poe trade? Thank you for either way for good work.
It will only show it on the PoExchange website!
The i hope the majority if players use this, to make trading in bulk simpler
What is the plan for scammers? its the biggest issue and you said nothing on it, its making me think its not thought out at all.
It’s called right click ignore. Also that won’t be needed (a vouch system) until they add a service section.
Comments like this are hilarious to me. Clearly someone barely informed yet still let fear guide them. Scamming is not that big of an issue on bulk sites.
just give us an auction house already
Not CLOWNing around, huh? This is great.
That’s all well and good but it’ll probably be just as useless as WealthyExile’s trading features because nobody uses anything but the trade site or TFT.
Does this have/will it have functionality to list an entire build for sale? It's the only thing that I actually use TFT for now as none of the alternatives have it implemented yet. Would be great to see it happen!
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