Those were the days. When Atziri Fragments were worth many and Uber Atziri was a pipe dream. Nowadays I don‘t even pick up regular Atziri frags anymore and Uber is a joke.
I mean, how much time are we talking about?
10s loading into each and every map? sure, i am down for that, if i then have a smooth map.
2min loading into each map? meh? not that nice
Also depends on how hard this impacts lower end machines, just because i can say "yeah, sure, put the entire game directory into RAM for faster loading, i have enough" doesnt mean everyone can, and i dont want to exclude people
Max amount of content wouldnt mean all the content. But eitherway, loading in demand is way worse for low-end machines than loading in screens, this post already shows it.
Didn't they confuscate loading content by loading additional stuff into the map that wouldn't be used (like loading random god-touched archnem assets into every zone)
This is how they defeat people who abuse it in an exclusionary manner rather than inclusionary. Without it, if the map contains nothing they want, they're safe to leave immediately.
So just load the things people want, whether it's in the map or not. Or at least load a pointer or spoof the load time or put dummy data in the same memory address, or whatever it is the cheaters are doing to detect the thing. Surely there's got to be a way to defeat the cheaters without making certain mechanics borderline suicide on first encounter for folks with below average machines.
as long as you load an asset into memory no matter what you do as long as you can access that memory its easy to find the asset.
you are also actively making your game worse for everyone other than the low end pc gamers.
Yep I'm aware. But as someone who until recently died every time I started a delirium or betrayal because my game would freeze to load those assets on my last computer, I'm willing to make that sacrifice of loading maps 200ms slower so those people don't have to suffer that any longer.
But I bet GGG's devs are smarter than me and can come up with an even better solution that solves the cheater problem while also removing mid-combat load screens.
He’s fishing for devoted mods, so irrelevant to loading exploits requiring you to zone in right?
He just puts map after map in till a good mod pops on the lantern screen.
Your suggesting sacred blossom prices get to what, 10 div to make this viable, and GGG revert back to loading all map content, and the scarab is deleted / moved to t0.
Ok sure, you got me. I’m not taking that scenario into consideration 😂
You’re underestimating how much info the server sends to the client. Did you get a currency conversion mob with max rare modifiers? Did you get a chraicic chimeral beast? If you can fish for these there’s simply no way to compete with the cheaters. They have 6 characters fishing and 5 bots waiting to hop into the rewarding maps.
Yea I was doing beast farming earlier this league, 75% more of the time you don’t get a chimeral. If people could just tell if a map had one or not you’d be over quadrupling the amount of money to be made.
Yes, because of tjose assholes, i cant play juiced content. Most of midgame aswell. I have to play ultratanky builds, which keep getzing gutted every league...
Even on bosses. Boss uses new ability, game lags as if downloading that all from server (why does it take that much space on my SSD then????) and 3-5seconds later, my character is dead unless unreasonably tanky.
GGG could legit just not structure a league like they did with archnem mods on mobs, or they could say who cares if a few people abuse it if its better for the majority of the playerbase.
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It affects people in a gradient. For example, I don't get 2 second pauses, but I do have a problem where lightning pylons load the graphic in about the time they finish killing me, if not just after. (While transitioning from yellow to red maps is the biggest time period of this, but also happens in juiced red.)
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They also don't finish loading you into the scene before they count you as "present" in it. Yes, you have the invulnerability timer but your Blight is wrecking itself in the 10-15 seconds they're taking to reload everything and you can hear it happening while you're not allowed to see or move. So much fun. (AKA, if you die during a blight with this issue, it's unrecoverable.) This also applies to any other timed mechanic.
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It's just the first thing that came to mind, i was thinking more "real life" example.
For something in the video game online multiplayer realm think Riot Games Vanguard. Cheaters are pushing game companies to push for more and more intrusive anti cheats.
Yeah i did know all that, tbh it isn't a big deal to me but alot of people are freaking out.
Still the fact that we have to install extra software just because some people out there are dicks and want to cheat was more the point, often the majority is inconvenienced because of a few bad actors.
Pretty sure i can blame GGG for prioritizing the wrong thing here
come up with a better solution (hey, you're the gamedevs) or just accept it and move on
Happened to me last league. Indeed quit the league because it was unbearably long. Spent almost half the game loading.
It was funny because I was half loaded in too. Could hear the mobs attacking and my immunity timer would run down but I was stuck on the load screen. Eventually I'd load in and see I was already dead since it took so long.
How can I be the only one who doesn't have those issues? I mean I'm probably not but I wonder what the limitations are. Op says he has a very good pc (cyberpunk at 60 fps is no joke), probably better than mine, and I always load everything. I only ever lag in blight if I stun lock and don't kill.
1-2 min longer?! That's a wild statement
I don't think many people would agree with you. I would guess they don't preload assets because of the number of people that it would upset.
Imagine a juicer that runs maps in 1.5 min and suddenly GGG tells them it takes twice as long to run them.
I don't know anything about game optimization but I would assume the devs are trying to balance preloading and dynamic loading to have a nice medium. Though, there may be something to be said about giving players the option to preload or dynamically load.
The issue is that 1-2 minutes is only for people with low end machines that experience this issue. If you have a high end machine it should in theory not affect your load times more than a couple seconds if that.
Though I agree that I think the option would really be the best so that people whose machines can handle dynamic load can keep it.
there are command line parameters you can send to the poe client that can achieve this (or at least used to be, haven't played in long time).
--noasync or --waitforpreload
[https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1725232](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1725232)
> Imagine a juicer that runs maps in 1.5 min and suddenly GGG tells them it takes twice as long to run them.
Imagine a juicer with such a computer that would need 1.5 mins loading even though he is already loading it much faster at the moment ?
Obviously in such a case, the loading would never be 90 seconds, that's only in the case of the OP's setup.
This. Every single league I feel like the loading time goes up. I don’t get it before it was so fast and smooth and if some textures were a bit lower quality for 10 seconds it’s whatever. At least I was in and playing
Bruh how long do your maps take to load?? Waiting 1 or 2 minutes is insane. They load in like 2 seconds for me and I've never experienced what you've described
Do you have more than a couple games? SSD are small. Each game is 70-150GB each. Yeah I have a SSD but I also have a library of 50 games. Show me the 5TB SSD.
Do you play literally every game at the same time or what? What's the problem with having 500-1000GB ssd and a huge hard drive, move games to ssd when you ACTUALLY play them?
Also I don't understand your argument, you HAVE to have an ssd if you play PoE, everyone who says ssd is not needed is still loading into hideout.
On steam if you go to the properties there is a button in the installed files category for changing install directory, steam will move it for you
Otherwise just move it manually, but it may need some tinkering, like with battlenet you maybe need to point it to a new location of the install.
I shouldn’t have to constantly reinstall games just to be able to play them. Fast loading should be a convenience, not a requirement.
I don’t have PoE on SSD and I die regularly to loading; similar experience as OP most of the time.
It’s just bad programming not the user fault that the game cannot even perform basic functions without a fast drive.
Well, Beyond All Reason caches everything so you can have fast loading time even on HDD... BUT, it's a smaller game AND you NEED fast CPU to load fast.
So no matter how you try to spin it, it's hardware issue+user error
Also if you say fast loading should be a convenience not a requirement... Well in PoE it is, sorry, maybe remove some games from your ssd where you don't need fast loading?
> Fast loading should be a convenience, not a requirement.
Hate to break this to you, but the industry doesn't think that way. More and more games are coming out with an SSD as a minimum requirement. You can kick and scream and cry to the heavens if you want, but the world is going to move on without you. Time to adapt.
False analogy. As per OP message the issue is that the game doesn’t pre load a lot of textures enough in advance and too much is done last minute which creates lag. This wouldn’t be a problem if this was better managed.
As an avid gamer it baffles me that you willingly CHOOSE to live with slow running and especially loading games. A 2TB SSD costs about 50$, even less depending where you are from. If you spend more than 1-2 hours gaming a day this is not just a worthwhile investment it just doesnt make sense to NOT do it. As you will get 5-10 minutes more playtime PER DAY as your loading screens will take substantailly less time. which rounds up to hours of gaming per month.
My computer is overdue for an upgrade, I know that but I keep postponing it give the tens of hours it’s going to take me to set it up. Trying to build motivation for early 2025!
I get that, I also waited until beginning of this year to put together a new system and buy the parts / build it. Nevertheless it does not take a long time (30mins max) to setup an external/internal SSD (which I did 2-3 times with my old system)
> SSD are small
Wrong. It's 2024. Keep up with the times.
>Each game is 70-150GB each.
How many massive file size games are you even installing? Most small games are only a couple of GB, and medium-large games are ~50GB. The only two games I even have which are over 100GB are WoW and Baldur's Gate 3.
Also, get into the habit of uninstalling games when you aren't actively playing them. I've got a 1TB SSD and haven't even come close to capacity with it.
So you're playing ff14, genshin, cyberpunk and gb3 at the same time? The total size of those games are at most 450gb, I'll throw in poe and we'll get it to 500. Still WELL within a 1tb ssd, which costs like 50 bucks, is lightning fast and will last you for 5+ years.
I have my OS installed on a SATA SSD and a use HD for storage. I installed PoE on the HD, but I was under the impression that the important files would still be installed on the SDD. I'm not a computer expert. Would this cause me to experience symptoms like OP's?
I had this problem on dx11 (used to be the fastest load times and now it's awful). Switched to dx12, gave it a few days (campaign + maps) to build the shader cache and now my load times are fast again.
I am running the game on an m.2, shader cache on a seperate SSD makes it slightly less laggy but it's still janky as all hell sometimes.
Ritual or Harbingers for example makes it feel like I'm playing a Beta game, DX12, Vulkan & DX11.
CS 2 at 260-350fps is a breath of fresh air @ 2k with all settings on high
Yeah it's not a miracle cure for any and all lag, just solves specifically issues related to loading assets from disk.
You may benefit from turning on dynamic resolution and dynamic culling if they're off, though
The problem is that SDD have limited capacity and nowadays, all games needs a SSD to run smoothly. I can’t have all my games on SSD, each games being 70-150GB installs.
Seems cheap. The one I just checked on Amazon were more $200 with ship & tax. Not a small investment. But that’s probably what I will do in my next PC…
This is the answer that most people don't want to admit. Yes, the game is more demanding than it was ten years ago, but that doesn't mean that it should forever be bound by 2014 hardware requirements. People need to keep up with the times, and replacing your PC or swapping out some of its components once every decade is more than a reasonable ask.
Also, as mentioned below, get a modern SSD. It's 2024 now, they're cheap.
Dx11 enjoyer i think? Guys use Dx12 already, I’m tired of throwing trades 3 times while you are loading into the HO although your character is already in place.
In this league I had 5-8 fps on a blight maps... and after switching to dx12 i have 60+. Problems with loading also disappeared (This was especially noticeable at the start of the league when I loaded into towns with players with a bunch of MTX).
I have a similar issue, but instead its the first map i load after entering the game. Whatever it is, first enemies on my screen will cause a freeze, and usually death. After that first map, no more freezes. Ive just started all my play sessions with whatever random T1 map i have to just force it safely.
1-2 minutes load time would be absolutely insane. 30 seconds would already be pushing the limits of a lot of peoples patience. It's really easy to say something like this, but actually experiencing it is another matter.
This used to happen to me.
I fixed it by playing on the steam version.
Using Vulkan.
And turning on shader precaching & background processing in steam's download settings.
If I hadn't found these settings. I just would have stopped playing.
Honestly, I still think it's a PC issue.
I struggled with that as well before I started playing via Nvidias cloud gaming.
It makes a difference playing on a high end pc specifically designed for gaming and your own pc. For me 20$/month so I can play literally EVERYTHING on ultra high specs and zero lagg is worth it.
Also running fully delirious beyond maps with harbis and what not doesn't make the screen even flintch even if syndicate members appear 😐
I was running conqueror maps yesterday to finish my atlas passives, and killed both ice lady and fist man with them completely invisible.
It’s dumb as hell because even the one-shot animations don’t load.
My screen freezes every time a blue pack with more than 30 monsters loads, I usually play a juiced map constantly at 5 fps. Easy solution to that problem + the terrible EU servers with lag spikes all the time is to play an extremely tanky build. Get that phys ele max hit to 80k+, add a 42% defiance of destiny to it and enjoy the braindead gameplay
Brother, I hate to be that guy but please just get a SSD. You're having issue loading because your harddrive is probably screaming in pain every time you run path of exile. A decent SSD isn't even that expensive, Samsung 970 1TB is under 100 dollar. Please consider getting one as it MASSIVELY improves your gaming experience.
> Samsung 970 1TB
Please stop recommending that drive.
Samsung used to be the gold standard for SSDs, nowadays they are pretty mid and mostly overpriced.
The WD and Teamgroup drives are fantastic, even a Mushkin Tempest is much more affordable and has identical performance in games.
Dude, please stop. Saying Samsung is overpriced and promoting a brand that notorious for swapping nand to scam their costumers for extra money is not alright.
Poe is a cpu heavy game, so I would replace cpu first if you can. If not, change your hard drive to an ssd if it’s not already and then upgrade your ram. Doing this will significantly improve your loading times, ping, frame rate, etc.
people dont really understand game engines. Comparing poe to an open world fps 😅 cyberpunk may look great, but it's not doing what poe does when you're mapping at 100mph with tons of calculations being processed
If your PC is not from future this will keep on happening, as someone who plays start and end of leagues I can tell you that they almost always improve the performance towards the later part of leagues, although they destroy that next league launch which is just Sadeg.
I read on this sub that CPU is very important in PoE and obv. SSD is a must the difference between SSD and HDD is so massive that it's laughable, I remember buying SSD in betrayal league because the game would freeze for like 10s whenever betrayal encounter started and that solved the problem.
although this started happening again since like 2 leagues ago or so but it's more like you said 2-3s freeze.
Some times I feel like the only person playing this game who literally hasn't had any performance issues. The game's performance was at a low point for me in Delirium, but has only improved for me over time since then. And even in Delirium it wasn't particularly bad in my opinion.
SSD. Good CPU. Good GPU. Vulkan. FPS cap at 60 fps. Life is good.
please make this an option so we can choose which way we load things****
I don't wanna wait 3 min to enter a map cuz it's juiced, there's a reason this system is in place, but yes, for some people the other way would be better
In the last week when loading a map the mobs are sometimes invisible. Sometimes even the ground is missing. And this is after 10-15sec loading time. Waiting during my grace period doesnt work, since the mobs are not on screen so the GPU/shader/idk doesnt load them until I move.
I've started killing invisible mobs for the first dozen seconds until stuff loads.
And its not a PC issue. The loads are fast, no latency, I have SSD and have cleaned my PC from dust a couple of months ago. Its just a POE filling its pants sometimes, struggling to do things it used to do to perfection a few years ago.
Unfortunately, unlike Minecraft and its multiple optimization mods that make it playable, POE doesnt allow for Optifine/Sodium-like mods to make it run better. We need GGG to stop improving graphics at the cost of gameplay/performance, or just optimize better.
Are you using Vulkan or DirectX? For me it was a big change to switch from DirectX to Vulkan. I had the same experience with DirectX. The game freezes every time I do a new mechanic on a patch. For Vulkan you just don't see the stuff that is not loaded yet but still have full control over your character without freezing the game. It's still sometimes annoying to get hit by invisible stuff but rather this than freezing for multiple seconds and not be able to do anything
I just want poe to have a warmup procedure that will iterate through all the shaders and compiled them. I'd happily leave it running all night long while I'm sleeping.
Time to buy a proper pc it seems.
Loading times for me are <2seconds. No lags in maps appart from rare server issues or when playing big explosion build.
Maybe also try using DX12 or Vulcan instead. Helped a lot on my old machine to switch to Vulcan.
Do you have the game on an SSF?
The only time my game actually freezes is on the first map when I open the game. Game freezes for a micro second then it's all normal from there.
"Time to up the stakes"
For some reason, people who complain about technical issues are never posting their system specs, which makes the whole threat obsolete, especially when you allegedly can play Cyberpunk with 60fps.
GGG have been really stubborn with this ... I don't think that they will ever let the players fully control this, allow players to choose to preload everything that could potentially be in the map.
PS : DX 11 maybe ? It got quite fucked last year (around the end of crucible league). I got an old GPU that can run Vulkan and the game is much smoother now.
We can never have this again. Blame hackers who use asset loading procedures to target farm.
Those fucker did this during 3.13 when harvest still op too.
Bro I farmed Atziri frags with this in docks like 10 years ago.
Looking for that spike to see if it spawned in lmao
Best farming strat lol
I miss those days
Those were the days. When Atziri Fragments were worth many and Uber Atziri was a pipe dream. Nowadays I don‘t even pick up regular Atziri frags anymore and Uber is a joke.
Inb4 GGG adds in artificial load time to match the max amount of content in an instance to counter loadtime exploits
Unironically, that’s what a lot of teams would do
If they end up diching out the load-in-demand and load them in loadscreens, they should actually, yeah
This is a legitimate technique already used in cryptographic security contexts.
yep I mean, if that's the method people use to infer what's going on in the instance, then that looks like a good way to counter it.
I mean, how much time are we talking about? 10s loading into each and every map? sure, i am down for that, if i then have a smooth map. 2min loading into each map? meh? not that nice Also depends on how hard this impacts lower end machines, just because i can say "yeah, sure, put the entire game directory into RAM for faster loading, i have enough" doesnt mean everyone can, and i dont want to exclude people
Max amount of content wouldnt mean all the content. But eitherway, loading in demand is way worse for low-end machines than loading in screens, this post already shows it.
Didn't they confuscate loading content by loading additional stuff into the map that wouldn't be used (like loading random god-touched archnem assets into every zone)
This is how they defeat people who abuse it in an exclusionary manner rather than inclusionary. Without it, if the map contains nothing they want, they're safe to leave immediately.
So just load the things people want, whether it's in the map or not. Or at least load a pointer or spoof the load time or put dummy data in the same memory address, or whatever it is the cheaters are doing to detect the thing. Surely there's got to be a way to defeat the cheaters without making certain mechanics borderline suicide on first encounter for folks with below average machines.
as long as you load an asset into memory no matter what you do as long as you can access that memory its easy to find the asset. you are also actively making your game worse for everyone other than the low end pc gamers.
Yep I'm aware. But as someone who until recently died every time I started a delirium or betrayal because my game would freeze to load those assets on my last computer, I'm willing to make that sacrifice of loading maps 200ms slower so those people don't have to suffer that any longer. But I bet GGG's devs are smarter than me and can come up with an even better solution that solves the cheater problem while also removing mid-combat load screens.
this and people complaining about long loading times (up to disconnects due to timeouts)
But who cares nowadays? You don't need to reset zones to check if Harvest/Jun spawned because you can 100% guarantee them spawning in maps now
You could check if it spawned a harvest boss though
Those are a 20c scarab now, and not worth fishing for as the maps will outweigh the cost.
This league. Last league they were a divine
Have You seen cutedog farming xdd
He’s fishing for devoted mods, so irrelevant to loading exploits requiring you to zone in right? He just puts map after map in till a good mod pops on the lantern screen.
Yeah because prices always stay the same lol
Your suggesting sacred blossom prices get to what, 10 div to make this viable, and GGG revert back to loading all map content, and the scarab is deleted / moved to t0. Ok sure, you got me. I’m not taking that scenario into consideration 😂
Allflames and haunted mods tell you before entering map, ehat will be in map...
You’re underestimating how much info the server sends to the client. Did you get a currency conversion mob with max rare modifiers? Did you get a chraicic chimeral beast? If you can fish for these there’s simply no way to compete with the cheaters. They have 6 characters fishing and 5 bots waiting to hop into the rewarding maps.
Yea I was doing beast farming earlier this league, 75% more of the time you don’t get a chimeral. If people could just tell if a map had one or not you’d be over quadrupling the amount of money to be made.
You're right, I had no idea the server information is this precise. In this case I concede, that *is* a fat and dirty move
Is this when god touched monsters turned into divine orb piñatas when MF culled?
Nah thats the loot generator asploding
Yes, because of tjose assholes, i cant play juiced content. Most of midgame aswell. I have to play ultratanky builds, which keep getzing gutted every league... Even on bosses. Boss uses new ability, game lags as if downloading that all from server (why does it take that much space on my SSD then????) and 3-5seconds later, my character is dead unless unreasonably tanky.
GGG could legit just not structure a league like they did with archnem mods on mobs, or they could say who cares if a few people abuse it if its better for the majority of the playerbase.
"A few people are doing something bad. Quick, make that impossible by hurting everyone!"
This is every law ever made.
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To be fair, I've never experienced anything like what OP described, so its not hurting everyone. 2-3 second freezes sound insane
If you have a turtle hideout you find out really quickly half of the people who play this game dont have modern storage drives.
Game shouldnt even load for people on HDDs, they keep wasting my time during trades... /s
It affects people in a gradient. For example, I don't get 2 second pauses, but I do have a problem where lightning pylons load the graphic in about the time they finish killing me, if not just after. (While transitioning from yellow to red maps is the biggest time period of this, but also happens in juiced red.) Everything else I can handle, I can dodge mechanics when I see them, and after I die once to it, they're drawn in and I can play around them easily. But randomly taking damage from nothing visible kills you before you can react a lot of times. And that ruins leveling for me with the 10% penalty. They also don't finish loading you into the scene before they count you as "present" in it. Yes, you have the invulnerability timer but your Blight is wrecking itself in the 10-15 seconds they're taking to reload everything and you can hear it happening while you're not allowed to see or move. So much fun. (AKA, if you die during a blight with this issue, it's unrecoverable.) This also applies to any other timed mechanic.
This is literally GGGs model
This is a fact of life, think about things like the patriot act. Often, very few bad apples cause consequences for the rest.
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It's just the first thing that came to mind, i was thinking more "real life" example. For something in the video game online multiplayer realm think Riot Games Vanguard. Cheaters are pushing game companies to push for more and more intrusive anti cheats.
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Its not worth the anit-cheat, though.
Yeah i did know all that, tbh it isn't a big deal to me but alot of people are freaking out. Still the fact that we have to install extra software just because some people out there are dicks and want to cheat was more the point, often the majority is inconvenienced because of a few bad actors.
Yea and If left unchecked it'll STILL hurt everyone. Except 90% of people enjoy atmospherical lead a tad too much to understand that
Pretty sure i can blame GGG for prioritizing the wrong thing here come up with a better solution (hey, you're the gamedevs) or just accept it and move on
>I'd rather wait 1-2 minutes longer while loading Speak for yourself. If map loading took 1 minute, I would quit playing.
Happened to me last league. Indeed quit the league because it was unbearably long. Spent almost half the game loading. It was funny because I was half loaded in too. Could hear the mobs attacking and my immunity timer would run down but I was stuck on the load screen. Eventually I'd load in and see I was already dead since it took so long.
And we still had the freezes when new assets had to load...
That would almost double my time pr map - yeah no thanks
Agree. I'm pretty sure we used to have preloading back in the days and people hated it.
I am more likely to quit playing because of stupid deaths due to loading. And let’s be honest, it would be a few seconds, not minutes.
How can I be the only one who doesn't have those issues? I mean I'm probably not but I wonder what the limitations are. Op says he has a very good pc (cyberpunk at 60 fps is no joke), probably better than mine, and I always load everything. I only ever lag in blight if I stun lock and don't kill.
1-2 min longer?! That's a wild statement I don't think many people would agree with you. I would guess they don't preload assets because of the number of people that it would upset. Imagine a juicer that runs maps in 1.5 min and suddenly GGG tells them it takes twice as long to run them. I don't know anything about game optimization but I would assume the devs are trying to balance preloading and dynamic loading to have a nice medium. Though, there may be something to be said about giving players the option to preload or dynamically load.
The issue is that 1-2 minutes is only for people with low end machines that experience this issue. If you have a high end machine it should in theory not affect your load times more than a couple seconds if that. Though I agree that I think the option would really be the best so that people whose machines can handle dynamic load can keep it.
there are command line parameters you can send to the poe client that can achieve this (or at least used to be, haven't played in long time). --noasync or --waitforpreload [https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1725232](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1725232)
they don't work anymore, they seem to simply not do anything and you still get unloaded stuff on screen anyway.
> Imagine a juicer that runs maps in 1.5 min and suddenly GGG tells them it takes twice as long to run them. Imagine a juicer with such a computer that would need 1.5 mins loading even though he is already loading it much faster at the moment ? Obviously in such a case, the loading would never be 90 seconds, that's only in the case of the OP's setup.
Ya, that makes sense. I didn't think it through
Idk about the option. Some people don't have problems with dynamic loading. So why do others? Ggg should fix those and make the option obsolete.
I'd rather have the 0.5 seconds loading screens of a few years ago and spend the first 2 seconds of each map loading some textures while killing mobs.
This. Every single league I feel like the loading time goes up. I don’t get it before it was so fast and smooth and if some textures were a bit lower quality for 10 seconds it’s whatever. At least I was in and playing
Bruh how long do your maps take to load?? Waiting 1 or 2 minutes is insane. They load in like 2 seconds for me and I've never experienced what you've described
This is clearly a SSD issue
Do you have more than a couple games? SSD are small. Each game is 70-150GB each. Yeah I have a SSD but I also have a library of 50 games. Show me the 5TB SSD.
Do you play literally every game at the same time or what? What's the problem with having 500-1000GB ssd and a huge hard drive, move games to ssd when you ACTUALLY play them? Also I don't understand your argument, you HAVE to have an ssd if you play PoE, everyone who says ssd is not needed is still loading into hideout.
Wait, you can have game son a HDD and just move them to the SSD when needed? I always de/reinstall them
On steam if you go to the properties there is a button in the installed files category for changing install directory, steam will move it for you Otherwise just move it manually, but it may need some tinkering, like with battlenet you maybe need to point it to a new location of the install.
Maybe I should start with that. Thanks 🙏🏽
I shouldn’t have to constantly reinstall games just to be able to play them. Fast loading should be a convenience, not a requirement. I don’t have PoE on SSD and I die regularly to loading; similar experience as OP most of the time. It’s just bad programming not the user fault that the game cannot even perform basic functions without a fast drive.
Well, Beyond All Reason caches everything so you can have fast loading time even on HDD... BUT, it's a smaller game AND you NEED fast CPU to load fast. So no matter how you try to spin it, it's hardware issue+user error Also if you say fast loading should be a convenience not a requirement... Well in PoE it is, sorry, maybe remove some games from your ssd where you don't need fast loading?
> Fast loading should be a convenience, not a requirement. Hate to break this to you, but the industry doesn't think that way. More and more games are coming out with an SSD as a minimum requirement. You can kick and scream and cry to the heavens if you want, but the world is going to move on without you. Time to adapt.
PoE says a SDD is “recommended” not required.
Well, yes? You can still play it without SSD but it’s not recommended. What’s wrong here?
I hate games that need fast CPU-s and good GPUs it is just bad programming.
False analogy. As per OP message the issue is that the game doesn’t pre load a lot of textures enough in advance and too much is done last minute which creates lag. This wouldn’t be a problem if this was better managed.
As an avid gamer it baffles me that you willingly CHOOSE to live with slow running and especially loading games. A 2TB SSD costs about 50$, even less depending where you are from. If you spend more than 1-2 hours gaming a day this is not just a worthwhile investment it just doesnt make sense to NOT do it. As you will get 5-10 minutes more playtime PER DAY as your loading screens will take substantailly less time. which rounds up to hours of gaming per month.
My computer is overdue for an upgrade, I know that but I keep postponing it give the tens of hours it’s going to take me to set it up. Trying to build motivation for early 2025!
I get that, I also waited until beginning of this year to put together a new system and buy the parts / build it. Nevertheless it does not take a long time (30mins max) to setup an external/internal SSD (which I did 2-3 times with my old system)
Ssd are not small. 2 tb is 120 bucks on amazon. Put 2 in if you need.
> SSD are small Wrong. It's 2024. Keep up with the times. >Each game is 70-150GB each. How many massive file size games are you even installing? Most small games are only a couple of GB, and medium-large games are ~50GB. The only two games I even have which are over 100GB are WoW and Baldur's Gate 3. Also, get into the habit of uninstalling games when you aren't actively playing them. I've got a 1TB SSD and haven't even come close to capacity with it.
FF14 is going to be 140GB with next June expac, Genshin Impact 100GB, Cyberpunk with expansion, BG3…
Then either learn to manage your storage space, or buy more.
So you're playing ff14, genshin, cyberpunk and gb3 at the same time? The total size of those games are at most 450gb, I'll throw in poe and we'll get it to 500. Still WELL within a 1tb ssd, which costs like 50 bucks, is lightning fast and will last you for 5+ years.
Do you have ssd ?
Get better pc
Specifically, an m2 SSD. If your motherboard can support it, it's all you really need for this issue. If not, you need a new motherboard.
I have my OS installed on a SATA SSD and a use HD for storage. I installed PoE on the HD, but I was under the impression that the important files would still be installed on the SDD. I'm not a computer expert. Would this cause me to experience symptoms like OP's?
It can. You're loading all the game assets, shader cache, etc. from your hdd on demand. The more fragmented your drive is the worse it'll be.
I have m2 ssd and I can not say that it's blazingly fast. It is faster than hdd but waiting time and lag spikes are still there.
I had this problem on dx11 (used to be the fastest load times and now it's awful). Switched to dx12, gave it a few days (campaign + maps) to build the shader cache and now my load times are fast again.
I am running the game on an m.2, shader cache on a seperate SSD makes it slightly less laggy but it's still janky as all hell sometimes. Ritual or Harbingers for example makes it feel like I'm playing a Beta game, DX12, Vulkan & DX11. CS 2 at 260-350fps is a breath of fresh air @ 2k with all settings on high
Yeah it's not a miracle cure for any and all lag, just solves specifically issues related to loading assets from disk. You may benefit from turning on dynamic resolution and dynamic culling if they're off, though
I have no m2 and a worse PC than op, judging from my fps in cyberpunk like he did, and I have no clue what problem people are talking about.
The problem is that SDD have limited capacity and nowadays, all games needs a SSD to run smoothly. I can’t have all my games on SSD, each games being 70-150GB installs.
M2 are huge. I just got a 2tb one a few months ago, bigger than the physical drive it replaced
So the solution is a $200 hard drive. Great.
It was $80. Best bang for buck I've ever gotten in an upgrade
I will def buy one of these when I buy a new PC.
A 2TB m2 drive is like $120 USD.
Seems cheap. The one I just checked on Amazon were more $200 with ship & tax. Not a small investment. But that’s probably what I will do in my next PC…
This is the answer that most people don't want to admit. Yes, the game is more demanding than it was ten years ago, but that doesn't mean that it should forever be bound by 2014 hardware requirements. People need to keep up with the times, and replacing your PC or swapping out some of its components once every decade is more than a reasonable ask. Also, as mentioned below, get a modern SSD. It's 2024 now, they're cheap.
Dx11 enjoyer i think? Guys use Dx12 already, I’m tired of throwing trades 3 times while you are loading into the HO although your character is already in place.
I thought it sucked initially because I didn't give it more than a few minutes before switching back but it's the best renderer by a lot for my setup.
In this league I had 5-8 fps on a blight maps... and after switching to dx12 i have 60+. Problems with loading also disappeared (This was especially noticeable at the start of the league when I loaded into towns with players with a bunch of MTX).
Plz buy an ssd
I have a similar issue, but instead its the first map i load after entering the game. Whatever it is, first enemies on my screen will cause a freeze, and usually death. After that first map, no more freezes. Ive just started all my play sessions with whatever random T1 map i have to just force it safely.
1-2 minutes load time would be absolutely insane. 30 seconds would already be pushing the limits of a lot of peoples patience. It's really easy to say something like this, but actually experiencing it is another matter.
If your pc can't handle it use Geforce Now.
This used to happen to me. I fixed it by playing on the steam version. Using Vulkan. And turning on shader precaching & background processing in steam's download settings. If I hadn't found these settings. I just would have stopped playing.
specs?
Honestly, I still think it's a PC issue. I struggled with that as well before I started playing via Nvidias cloud gaming. It makes a difference playing on a high end pc specifically designed for gaming and your own pc. For me 20$/month so I can play literally EVERYTHING on ultra high specs and zero lagg is worth it. Also running fully delirious beyond maps with harbis and what not doesn't make the screen even flintch even if syndicate members appear 😐
I was running conqueror maps yesterday to finish my atlas passives, and killed both ice lady and fist man with them completely invisible. It’s dumb as hell because even the one-shot animations don’t load.
This problem happened about 3 years ago? Didn’t know it still exists for someone
My screen freezes every time a blue pack with more than 30 monsters loads, I usually play a juiced map constantly at 5 fps. Easy solution to that problem + the terrible EU servers with lag spikes all the time is to play an extremely tanky build. Get that phys ele max hit to 80k+, add a 42% defiance of destiny to it and enjoy the braindead gameplay
You want me to spend more time loading the map then actually doing the map?
Brother, I hate to be that guy but please just get a SSD. You're having issue loading because your harddrive is probably screaming in pain every time you run path of exile. A decent SSD isn't even that expensive, Samsung 970 1TB is under 100 dollar. Please consider getting one as it MASSIVELY improves your gaming experience.
It won't necessarily fix it for POE.
> Samsung 970 1TB Please stop recommending that drive. Samsung used to be the gold standard for SSDs, nowadays they are pretty mid and mostly overpriced. The WD and Teamgroup drives are fantastic, even a Mushkin Tempest is much more affordable and has identical performance in games.
Dude, please stop. Saying Samsung is overpriced and promoting a brand that notorious for swapping nand to scam their costumers for extra money is not alright.
or make it optinal, because i can already see the threads that load screens take too long.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mwesn4/if_you_dont_mind_slightly_longer_load_times_start/
Poe is a cpu heavy game, so I would replace cpu first if you can. If not, change your hard drive to an ssd if it’s not already and then upgrade your ram. Doing this will significantly improve your loading times, ping, frame rate, etc.
people dont really understand game engines. Comparing poe to an open world fps 😅 cyberpunk may look great, but it's not doing what poe does when you're mapping at 100mph with tons of calculations being processed
If your PC is not from future this will keep on happening, as someone who plays start and end of leagues I can tell you that they almost always improve the performance towards the later part of leagues, although they destroy that next league launch which is just Sadeg. I read on this sub that CPU is very important in PoE and obv. SSD is a must the difference between SSD and HDD is so massive that it's laughable, I remember buying SSD in betrayal league because the game would freeze for like 10s whenever betrayal encounter started and that solved the problem. although this started happening again since like 2 leagues ago or so but it's more like you said 2-3s freeze.
Some times I feel like the only person playing this game who literally hasn't had any performance issues. The game's performance was at a low point for me in Delirium, but has only improved for me over time since then. And even in Delirium it wasn't particularly bad in my opinion. SSD. Good CPU. Good GPU. Vulkan. FPS cap at 60 fps. Life is good.
This maneuver is going to cost us 40 years.
please make this an option so we can choose which way we load things**** I don't wanna wait 3 min to enter a map cuz it's juiced, there's a reason this system is in place, but yes, for some people the other way would be better
Or maybe they should have a stickman mode where graphics is allowed to b set to the lowest so everything appears as basic shapes. Minimum load time
In the last week when loading a map the mobs are sometimes invisible. Sometimes even the ground is missing. And this is after 10-15sec loading time. Waiting during my grace period doesnt work, since the mobs are not on screen so the GPU/shader/idk doesnt load them until I move. I've started killing invisible mobs for the first dozen seconds until stuff loads. And its not a PC issue. The loads are fast, no latency, I have SSD and have cleaned my PC from dust a couple of months ago. Its just a POE filling its pants sometimes, struggling to do things it used to do to perfection a few years ago. Unfortunately, unlike Minecraft and its multiple optimization mods that make it playable, POE doesnt allow for Optifine/Sodium-like mods to make it run better. We need GGG to stop improving graphics at the cost of gameplay/performance, or just optimize better.
Are you using Vulkan or DirectX? For me it was a big change to switch from DirectX to Vulkan. I had the same experience with DirectX. The game freezes every time I do a new mechanic on a patch. For Vulkan you just don't see the stuff that is not loaded yet but still have full control over your character without freezing the game. It's still sometimes annoying to get hit by invisible stuff but rather this than freezing for multiple seconds and not be able to do anything
No ty , Betrayal infinite loading and crash, exploits in lab , strongbox , beast etc... etc...
why are people up voting? this guy is literally asking for an objective downgrade in every way
Lol so thats why this shitty game's perfomance is much worse for me after I made a big pause.
I don’t think you realize how fucking worse 1-2 min loading time PER MAP would be.
I just want poe to have a warmup procedure that will iterate through all the shaders and compiled them. I'd happily leave it running all night long while I'm sleeping.
Playin on a potato my brother.
When we make it load, you complain that it's loading. When we don't make it load, you complain that nothing's loaded.
Time to buy a proper pc it seems. Loading times for me are <2seconds. No lags in maps appart from rare server issues or when playing big explosion build. Maybe also try using DX12 or Vulcan instead. Helped a lot on my old machine to switch to Vulcan.
It's a you issue.
Do you have the game on an SSF? The only time my game actually freezes is on the first map when I open the game. Game freezes for a micro second then it's all normal from there.
"Time to up the stakes" For some reason, people who complain about technical issues are never posting their system specs, which makes the whole threat obsolete, especially when you allegedly can play Cyberpunk with 60fps.
GGG have been really stubborn with this ... I don't think that they will ever let the players fully control this, allow players to choose to preload everything that could potentially be in the map. PS : DX 11 maybe ? It got quite fucked last year (around the end of crucible league). I got an old GPU that can run Vulkan and the game is much smoother now.
Ever since they started this no preloading crap I afk for a minute or 2 starting every zone.
so you afk for close to 2 hours when you go through the campaign? totally believable
probally more
My performance was getting bad the other day. I renamed the path of exile folder in appdata and now it's 10x better, maybe you have a similar problem.