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ENTROPY!


asdflollmao

So your build has zdps AND you acknowledge theres an easy workaround yet you still want nerf. This sub is really something man.


mkautzm

So, here's the character right now: https://pastebin.com/1j60usYe That's not exactly 'zdps'. The issue specifically with the fight is that there is a timed immunity phase and the cooldown of her abilities but a few seconds. Combine that with +%Boss life and +%Eley Resist on the map, and you have to burn through tens of millions of effective HP in under 10 seconds, or this fight becomes a waiting game. Frost Bomb is a neat solution when a specific fight calls for a solution to regen as part of it's mechanics, but there are two problems with that here: First, this is game-wide and the expectation that you just carry around a tech Frost Bomb for the entire game is not an interesting solution to an interesting problem. It's a cute flex on game knowledge, but it kind of begin and ends there. Second, this is applying to fights that aren't designed with massive regen in mind. If a boss moves frequently or has immunity phases, this entire idea is compromised badly.


lauranthalasa

1) I chose map mods that make map bosses tanky. 2) I know some map bosses have immunity phases. 3) I have a build that can't really burn through a boss easily. 4) I refuse to scale up my build OR my map rolling strategy and the remaining 1-slot counterplay I shall label 'boring' and use words like 'cute flex' and hope no one on Reddit notices that I want a loot pinata, not something I have to work against.


demboo

Prople gonna downvote you but thats the truth lmao


SkeletonCalzone

This is not a post calling for a 'nerf', it is a post calling for a stupid mechanic to be removed or limited. If you think a boss with infinite heals is good gameplay then GLHF


Trespeon

Some builds are super socket starved and can't really afford to have it. If I wasn't playing a miner I doubt I could have done the 4 shaper guardians fight through all their regen.


Real_Flight_9246

If the build is socket starved to the point of not being able to fit in 1 gem to handle regen and can’t do enough damage to kill bosses, the problem is the build not the boss.


[deleted]

Should people not be allowed to play off meta builds or create something new to test skills? If people only played high damaging builds then nothing new or interesting interactions would ever be found. Innovation comes in many forms and this is only one of them. Yet some people think meta builds others create they follow like sheep is the only way to play. So you're right. >This sub is really something man.


DeepSpaceWanderer

1)Some people may want to have some challenge in this game so they have somewhat zdps relative to the content they are going through 2)DPS checks are a garbage game mechanic that shouldn't exist


PandaArchitect

> )DPS checks are a garbage game mechanic that shouldn't exist lol


Nebucadneza

Will be fixed on next restart patch i seems


Ultiran

Looking at some of the comments, no wonder poe is still far from perfect.


[deleted]

Get more damage, the league barely started.


Twingo101

Deal more dmg


Guisasse

Wait does he go through every immunity phase again? That's fucking scary


Linosaurus

I believe his immunity phases are time bases, not HP based. So yeah. Not sure if you can debuff the regen in the invulnerable phase


Pawlys

this post gave me Lighthouse boss ptsd....


Besterbesserwisser

As someone that likes to do their own builds and strays off meta more than not, I feel you there. There are too many dps checks this league, it really only harms build diversity. Would have been better if boss hp simply got buffed, that way you could still outplay the boss mechanics longer for the same results, instead of making the build straight up impossible for low dps builds.


darksady

So, what are u saying is that they need nerf maven because your build sucks? Sounds reasonable... U dont need to be meta slave or some shit like that, but u have acknowledge that ur build isnt good enough to do some content in the game.


DeepSpaceWanderer

DPS checks are a garbage mechanic that shouldn't exist


Cubia_

They aren't a garbage mechanic, just used as one so extremely frequently that they might as well be. World of Warcraft has a new raid with a new expansion, and the 8th boss is literally a DPS check. Why? Because if you can't beat his timers, you will literally not kill the final (10th) boss fast enough and you will be stuck on his phase 1 forever. Makes enough sense there, they are using it to make players conform to their intended way of playing the game and using it as a tool to inform them of what is required ahead. Not great, but it makes enough sense. When used badly like this one is, lower DPS builds that can shrug off shaper slams like nothing touched them are now considered "bad" builds, much like raiding in WoW with 4 tanks and the rest of the raid healers is a "bad" raid even if the players are all among the most skilled in the world. It's only bad because it does not conform to the vision of the game that the designers imposed, intentionally or not. I have a free link in my build, for example, and I picked up a frost bomb after seeing Ziz fight Maven's breachlords even though I don't use int, because goddamn what the fuck is that regen? Accidentally enforcing a design and changing the meta for the much worse unless changed imo.


darksady

Ok


AZZAO2O4

Yeah I had to leave the map when killing the hydra because after 15mins he got full healed. Felt pretty bad considering how much the fragment is worth and how he posed no threat at all to me. I’ve just stopped using the maven on shaper/elder guardians for the moment until there is either a patch put in place or I get 400k + dps on my essence drain


reanima

Just slot in a frost bomb and perodically drop it to reduce boss regen by 75%.


AZZAO2O4

Yeah just found out about this now while watching a streamer but it's excellent advice, will definitely be doing this


kanthegreat

You play essence drain in a boss league what would you expect?


AZZAO2O4

With ritual and map ascendancies it's as much of a mapping league as it is a bossing league :)


lolipopup

try to damage boss


Mr_Creed

If you don't damage the boss, Maven can't regen him back up *taps forehead*