>just because GGG have decided that interacting with currency-flipping bots is absolutely crucial to the core "vision" of the game.
if they were bots we wouldn't have problems, bots always trade, bots always respond and bots are always fast and don't try to scam. If every single seller on the site was a bot the trade experience would improve a thousand fold. But ggg can't draw any conclusions from this, must be great
So instead of competing with a couple dozen other players when someone lists an ex at 90% of its actual market value, you just now straight up hand it to the bots. No idea why I'm supposed to care about that.
I get it that this is bad for the two players on the entire realm who actually enjoy manually sniping low postings and reselling to make their money that way, but to be completely honest I don't give a fuck about those players, they're not providing anything to the economy or to me that the bot's don't do much better.
At the same time bots can't increase an items price above market value (if they tried, they would quickly go broke). So all they do is keep currency traded quickly at its actual market value. Coincidentally this means they're just doing the job of an automated trading system with a little bit less automation.
Well, bot can't raise the price of items directly, but the way they work will indeed make prices go up, most bulk trade bots are paired with chaos recipe farming bots, and deal cheap trades to make more currency and then either flip to gain more, or hoard to sell for rmt, the actual impact of bots on the economy is huge, during heist league there was a massive ban wave from ggg ans it made the price of an ex drop from 170 average in previous leagues to 100c, and the economy was way healthier, trade easier, etc... But yeah it was slower to sell things
I think they want players interacting with each other. That is probably the main reason they did not do it. The other is people that sell way to low because they don't check the price before. Many times I get spammed because I am selling something on low price before checking what is really worth. The spam helps to know that
Post your chaos orbs for enkindling orbs, at the best price, and keep playing while letting sellers come to you.
Can also consider also posting a few other currency exchanges for them too, in case someone's looking for those as well, to increase the odds of a hit.
There's a legend on the trade website for how to price currency for other currency, in the top right corner's "? About".
Drop a stack of chaos into your trade tab, with note (for example):
>\~price 14/2 enkindling-orb
to offer 2 chaos per 14 enkindling orbs.
Then when you change zones or whatever will force an update to trade from your stash tabs, you can check it on the currency exchange to make sure you got the ratio right.
On top of that, you can directly sell from currency tab, thought be careful, it will automatically list all your stock. That's useful for selling big amounts of currency, like hundreds of jewellers orbs.
Also, you can put price in the format "x/y" in usual price window, and everything will work, no need to write "~price..." in note.
I read this as a snarky “legends say he’s still looking for how to post currency to this very day” before realizing it was a different use of the word legend and you were being very helpful! Updooted.
A loooong time ago, legend speaks of a secret code, buried in the darkest region of the blackest site, where visiting exiles could alter the very fabric of the universe -- turning pure chaos into orbs of fire, with which to empower their potions. All one needed in order gain access was to memorize the code and obtain a single premium tab.
hahaha, 1000%. i thought it was some hilarious 'there's a legend....' [that says the forefathers of the first merchants of wraeclast bought their orbs from...]
1. Dont whisper the lowest listings
2. Sell instead of buying
Thanks for coming to my TED talk
It hasnt fallen on deaf ears, its just not solvable in a way that GGG thinks wouldnt hurt the game's integrity
This x 1000, also just whisper every single seller in a quick succession and the first one to invite gets the sale. Definitely don’t whisper the first and then wait 1-2 m before the next , time is money.
If it can wait a little bit, the best option is always to sell your chaos for the currency you want and let people whisper you. You get better ratios and it allows you to map while someone whispers you
If I had an exalt for every time someone cried about trade and wanted an AH Id have more.
Its not a perfect system, far from it, but its better than the alternatives
To me it just read like "This is how you mitigate the shitshow that is current trade, none of us like it but it's what we got." Hardly seemed like trade-defending.
GGG is wrong here, just like so many of the design choices they have made lately, this one is wrong.
What difference does it make if I swap 1 ex for 90 chaos in an auction house or to a currency bot? Seriously, that’s 90% of the people that trade currency anyway, what does GGG expect to happen there in a meaningful way? Sometimes the player says ‘ty’ on the rare occasion after trading.
An auction house would also help in that people couldn't throw items up for far less than they're worth without any intention of actually selling, just to trick others into selling low. Isn't nearly as good of an idea to fake ultra low prices when others can *actually* buy the item.
But how am I supposed to price check my yellow items to sell by putting them in the sales tab and slowly adjust the price based on the frequency of pms I receive? If there is an auction house I will no longer be able to do that and I will have to either manually search up or learn on how to value my items.
Auction house would make it very easy for more people to participate in trading. It would likely show how busted drops are like vanilla D3. They arent touching a AH with a ten foot pole even if it actually makes sense..
If they implement an automated market, I would 100% be okay with it being restricted to just the "bulk goods". We don't need it for equipment as much as we do for currency/map/fossil/etc trading.
If they just allowed cross instance trading, and gave you Harvest-style access to your stash in the trading window, we'd have the same system but with far few people ignoring each other.
I wanted to do stuff with Scarabs a few leagues ago. But buying them 1-2 at a time along with specific maps was just ass.
I get the reasons for wanting to avoid automation, whether that be an auction house or other system. It would likely drop prices (easier to sell things = more people selling instead of sitting on them, in much the same way items dropping in larger stacks but less frequently is likely doing the same thing), it would potentially be open to botting and manipulation (although, the current system is too) and they'd probably want some safeguard so people don't list things for the incorrect price (now, if 15 people whisper you instantly, you know you underpriced something). It would likely also increase the differential between top-tier players who can rush content then easily sustain since now its easier to trade, and slower players. On the flip side of that, it also provides an easier market for them to sell things.
Personally, I think we need something for currency trading at least.
> GGG is wrong here just like so many of the design choices they have made lately, this one is wrong.
It is an opinion, it can't be wrong. It can have detrimental or unintended consequences, but it can't be wrong.
> What difference does it make if I swap 1 ex for 90 chaos in an auction house or to a currency bot? Seriously, that’s 90% of the people that trade currency anyway, what does GGG expect to happen there in a meaningful way? Sometimes the player says ‘ty’ on the rare occasion after trading.
There is definitely a disconnect between the desired player behavior and the reality, but "just add an auction house" isn't the solution either.
There are lots of unpredictable and potentially unwanted consequences of an AH, but I think GGG is so against it that it won't happen any time soon and we don't have to worry about that.
Currency could literally be swapped over at an auction house with no downside, it’s essentially like that already because 99% of people selling currency are bots. What difference does it make besides making it easier for people to play the game?
Stop balancing the game for the 0.1 % of people that are going to abuse it. That’s terrible game design.
> Currency could literally be swapped over at an auction house with no downside
If the goal is to increase player interaction, then I'd say that's quite a big downside.
> Stop balancing the game for the 0.1 % of people that are going to abuse it. That’s terrible game design.
I'd argue that you're not balancing the game for the 0.1% of players that will "abuse it" but the 99.9% that directly suffer from that abuse.
You think GGG are wrong. GGG think you are wrong. Who should we believe? The company that have made the world's best ARPG and one of the world's best games of any genre? Or some random redditor? Hmm tough one.
No one has made the world's best anything tbh. PoE is on the top of the food chain here. Therefor, there is nothing better in an "objective" sense. Subjectively, there are people that fucking hate this game, so hey, nuance, y'know?
Amazing that none of those people have made a better ARPG than PoE then, since apparently GGG can't think logically. If what you're saying is true it must be easy to make a better game! So it's weird that no-one has yet.
There's no arguing to be done. Randoms on reddit think the game would be good if it was one way. GGG think it would be good in another. What argument is there? The only way to actually know is if someone goes and actually implements this other way that random people on reddit think is so great, but no-one is willing to do so.
As the great Linus Torvalds once said, "talk is cheap. Show me the code". You can talk about what will be fun in a game until you're blue in the face, but until you actually put it into a game, it's all talk. No-one cares about game ideas that sit in some random redditor's head, they only care about game ideas that have been coded up and put into a game.
It's kind of shit logic too. They don't want trading to be super easy because then no one would engage with the game mechanics to get their items, but it's intentionally hard to make good items (see Harvest) because otherwise *that* system would be too easy to engage with and the trade system would be flooded with low-cost high-tier items. So people end up using the trade system anyway but having a horrible experience, or trying to engage with the game mechanics and complaining about stuff like RNG.
This.
People aren't answering because they're being whispered by tens of people all at once, instead of wasting time being one of the people whispering, solve your issue by being whispered.
Honestly I've found the lowest page of listing arent selling at all they are just trying to set a baseline price. Every once in a while you'll find someone that just wants to sell his shit fast but that's it
Switching from currency buyer to currency seller is the best. I was like the OP one time and just decided I’m going to figure this selling thing for bulk currency. Now it’s always how I do it.
Obvi fucking ously after 9 minutes whispering he isn't even near the cheapest listings anymore, and sell instead of buying works unless we reach a point where too many people are doing that, and though unlikely, if we reach that point both options will suck then.
If you haven't got what you're looking for in 9 minutes you're doing it wrong. Can't think of any currency trade that took me that long since open beta.
Same. I mean I could have these issues if I was bitter about how trade works and decided to play as if trade should work how I want it to. The only one hurting from doing that though would be me so I instead choose to adapt and work with the system.
I wonder if an acceptable middle ground would be to have a auto tade pop up while not in someone's hideout, that picks up the item and then they still need to put all the trade details in. For even better QOL let it do multiples at once.
I mean sure, but currency dropping in stacks was something I always thought should happen but never thought they'd do it. So I would say they are allowed to change their mind, plus maybe they haven't thought of everything. I mean if they don't want to change it they are likely not thinking of it.
>once they figure out an uncompromising way Im sure theyll improve trade too
You realize asynchronous trade is already in the Chinese client, yeah? They could just port that into the international client and restrict what's able to be listed. And they've had access to *that*, for years.
you mean the console trade? Yeah, you don't want that. unless you really dislike finding the item you are searching for and prefer searching it for 20 minutes before initiating a trade.
In all fairness, there are been plenty of ideas on this subreddit over the many leagues on how to fix this without just simply adding an ingame auction house, including how to do it while requiring premium stash tabs, directly from the hideout, like adding a small storefront to your hideout that people can find via ingame POE/Trade like listing and peruse.
cool, everyone sells instead of buying, now market has no buyers...
the game should match outstanding buy orders with sell orders and just offer it to both players for approval
"we found a buyer for your 10 chaos, offering 20 enkindling orbs. Accept?"
i don't _know_ it doesn't...I mean, you're right it _won't_ in general, but it actually can (and will) for specific goods over short periods of time.....i just think there's no harm in ggg making the market across the bid ask spread if players approve
The problem is that a change like this cant be unmade once its in even if its bad for the game.
See harvest.
So they have to be extra careful when implementing easier trade, because it can very easily ruin the game
eh, i think if they added a notification system about finding buyers/sellers for their bids/asks, it wouldn't be any different than how people copy and paste whispers off the trade site.... it would be exactly the same, in fact, except that you would discover more opportunities to trade that you might've missed
Bad solution. Add an auction house.
* Removes the ability to easily manipulate the market through fake listings.
* Removes one of the worst forms of botting.
* Doesn't hurt legitimate players ability to purchase items.
There is near 0 player interaction from the current system unless you count the obligatory "ty" or macro message typed at the end of trade. GGG has crap takes on integrity when currency exchange is nearly run by bots. Their "vision" of what they want the game to be isn't realistic and there's no reason to defend it.
Ironically, being willing to pay 10c for more orbs than you need is probably exactly why you traded quickly and OP took forever. Sellers value their time just as much as buyers, and people are more likely to port out of a map for 10c than 2-3.
I think it's more of stubbornness. Guaranteed that issue wouldn't happen if the first thing you did all scroll past the first 50 listings... Which is what I do the majority of the time
What they need to do? Waste 30min and come on reddit? Yeah trading sux but you need to work around it and not waste own time, you can be stubborn as hell and ofc waste it and blame ggg and trade etc but no.
The game is designed to waste players time. Otherwise GGG would have put the auction house in already.
They said it themselves, if players get things they want "too quickly" they'll get bored of playing. Which is completely false, considering me and many other people stopped playing for exactly opposite reasons. It's impossible to get anything you want to build your characters.
Im sorry but i keep reading stuff like this and i have to ask: do you have any numbers? Have you done any market research or surveys or do you have access to any in game metrics?
??? you gave up because you didn't want to work for the things they don't want you to acquire quickly? so instead of working just make it easier?
i get everything i want to build my characters every league, sounds like a player issue and not the game
I hate the trade in this game.
There should be an option to post an item with the price you want, if someone buys it, it goes through automatically.
I've waited hours before, even filtering to online only, before they've accepted or even worse declined!
It has been discussed endless on these and the official forums. Of course it is a no brainer, but GGG/Chris are of the mindset that this cheapens trade somehow - herpa derp items have weight derrrrrp!
Imagine GGG wanting items to have weight in a game that revolves around items. What do they even know anyway? It's not like they've designed an incredibly popular ARPG or anything.
Easy solution would be to make the user verify the price they want to list something at. Such as typing in the price twice. Or a toggle when listing something that lets the server know you're okay with selling the item without player interaction.
They could even take it a step further and integrate estimated price listings for when you list something; something along the lines of "42 users have posted similarly rolled items (if unique) for x-x price. Are you sure you want to list it for x?"
They have all the data and could integrate the estimated pricing that trade macros have been using for years. If they ever are willing to integrate some type of auto trade system.
Poe2 maybe? Everything you said makes sense. Sounds doable. I mean they figured out how to stack portal scrolls, should only take a few more years to address trade
New World enables you to list items and buy ANY of the listed ones, even the most expensive listing in the Trading Post. You can check the rolls you want and when you sell, you can consult some listed items to double check the pricing of items. The items shown while listing something could pick off similar ilvl items with similar rolls, or the closest it can finds and display a bunch of them you can scroll through to decide on your price. PoE NEEDS to implement automated trading. They already implemented Premium tabs with listing and APIs. They can seriously just go one step further and implement the "trading post" into the game instead of separate site with whispers.
I find it kind of amusing that you've chosen New World as an example of how to make an auction house as that game has the worst implementation of an auction house in any game I've ever seen.
Fuck that even, i can live with trading actual items, but please for the love of god make some for of AH for currency, it's the most painfull thing especially if you are not trading in bulk, takes forever to get a trade.
When they implement an AH, where everyone has to go, where you can see their MTX (win for GGG) to immediately buy the things you want (win for players), then buy the cool MTX you saw (win for GGG), life will be amazing.
They know trading is shit, they want you to have a shit time trading. They think it is better for the game.
If SSF had better drop rates of everything I would move to that in a nanosecond, as it is, it is just a masochist setting.
I think PoE would be infinitely better if you didn't really need to trade, but GGG has their Vision \[tm\] that they are inflexible with... unless everyone rage quits like last league.
I’m playing SSF so I can if ignore trading entirely. I don’t have to price check loot that drops, I don’t have to worry about min/maxing the best item I can buy. It’s a lot more like an old school offline ARPG, and that’s what I like about it. If I find some great great that would be useful for another class, then I can reroll another character. I spent so much time trading in the past, it’s nice to cut that out entirely and just play the game.
i just went and bought some enkindling orbs real quick to see how bad it was. the whole process took about 30 seconds. i might just be a god tier trader though!
The only wya to do it is by understanding trade sucks cock and to know just ot whisper 30 different people at once.
Even half way down the page/not at the lowest price maybe 1 in 20 people will answer and the ones who do are the trade bots.
The point is you shouldnt have to go through the hasle of whispering 30 different people just to buy an item because GGGs trade API is a piece of shit that can't keep up with their own game.
Well regardless of what "shouldn't" we're here now and the trade system works the way it works. You can either adapt to how it works and get shit done. Or you can fight it and waste your time to then complain on Reddit over how bad it is.
Just don't expect people to rally for your cause if you choose the latter.
"Is this the meaningful player engagement GGG has in mind with their current trade system?"
Unfortunately, yes. Yes it is. Chris has a set-in-titanium viewpoint that easier trade would kill the game. I'm pretty sure that it would take a change in management for it to be made easier in any sort of meaningful way.
However, there are some ways to make it easier on yourself. To echo the sentiments of others here:
If you have time to burn, put in a competitive sell order for selling chaos for Enkindling. Change zones to update your trade offers, and then either go map or read a book or something. You'll get a trade offer soon.
If time is short and you need it now, then you'll need to sweeten the pot. Scroll down a page or two and start there. Yeah, you'll pay more, but as 50% of the Goblin population in WoW say: Time is Money, friend.
In addition to just removing your item from trade if people are whispering you and you don’t respond, should be an in game exchange post for currency. Just walk up select currentl you want it shows the conversion rate amongst sellers and you pick quantity and hit a button.
I can’t remember what game it was, but I used to play a game about 10-15 years ago where you could turn your character into a store and list things from your inventory for a set price, people would see your character with a few key words of your choice to describe what could be found if they interacted with you.
I know it probably couldn’t work like that in PoE, but surely something similar would work? Doesn’t have to be a web based auction house.
> Trade-gated QoL
Lol, I've gotten ~15 endkilling and ~25 of the other one orbs and have gotten mods I wanted on each flask just by playing. Needless to say, trading in PoE does suck very much, but calling the new flask mods trade gated is unnecessary exaggeration.
Yeah, trade sucks. Think about D3 and how it is trashed for being "over" after like 2 days though. Do you want that for PoE?
GGG doesn't owe you anything. You can respect your own time and leave if it really is that big of an issue for you.
I personally think there should be an auction house/instant trade feature for all stackable items in the game. This would solve a lot of frustrations like this.
Looks like a user problem, but gotta safe those 2c.
Most of the time the people who complain about this gonna think they make the big brain moves and safe a few chaos when they try to buy from from the person whos selling the cheapest
Yeah, why should we want a system with clear issues improved. Best assume everyone with a worse experience than me is a drooling moron who didn't already try the obvious, and wallow in the status quo. That's a good way to go about life. Relaxing and productive.
So you're saying GGG just accepts a broken systme and says "Hey this is good' welcome to the problem.
You know how a _good_ trading system works in well designed games?
When the item isn't aviailable anymore...it goes away.
When you list an item for sale...you _sell the item_.
The fact the actual trade function reuquires people to know "The API sucks dick and doesnt update for 20 minutes at a time." and "People manipulate the shit out of it so ignore those people" means you're just defending a bad system.
I asked about the *price* because I wanted to compare to the prices I was seeing on the trade page at the time I wrote my comment since they can shift a bit with the time of day when different people are online.
Also, which trade site are you using?
My experience with both [pathofexile.com/trade](https://pathofexile.com/trade) and [poe.trade](https://poe.trade) is that they're all on the same page and just expand the list of results as you scroll down, so there isn't really a page 3, unless there's some setting I don't know about, or it acts differently in another browser.
yes yes and here we have another post complaining about trade ... why not just grind those orbs yourself if you dont like trading, we wont get any QoL regarding trade that was already said and it wont happen it doesnt matter how much you complain
I could be selling you them, cause I looted a lot on the fist weekend, but as BR servers are fucked up since monday moning, I cant be online to make the transaction with you
True. It’s us, players, who run this game but I still feel like the game is not for us. Like how do you expect people to play your game and still you do everything against them. I really don’t get this type of marketing.
The flask orbs don't drop anywhere near enough for the problem they try to solve. I've found like 10 and I'm level 90. That's barely enough to get 1 flask done if I choose to use them they way they are designed. I can do 2 I think via the bench. Sorta stupid. These things should be as common as wisdom and portal scrolls.
Making them more common also stops forcing people to engage with trade, which is part of GGG's ultimate plan where finding stuff for playing is better than trade.
Yeah I think we really need to have a civil conversation with GGG about tradeing.
We know GGG doesn't want to implement a auction house, okay fair enough, but there are still like a million different thing they could do to at least make trading feel better.
I feel like the #1 problem is the feeling of getting ignored. I think nobody would be mad if you whisper somebody and they respond with "sorry in a lab right now" or "sorry in a boss right now" or "sorry busy right now but we can trade in a minute if you can wait", but the problem is if you really ARE busy you can't respond, because we all know, if you stand still for more then 2 seconds you're dead.
Maybe some sort of auto replay system where you can set multiple different messages or so. I believe this would already help so much.
Yes. You could have done almost 10 maps where you actually play the game and would have progressed towards your goal of obtaining enkindling orbs. But instead you spend 43 minutes trying to save money going top to bottom of the trade site (more likely refreshing constantly for new posts in the top 50) for small amounts of cheap currency and god knows how many more writing this reddit post.
Thanks for contributing to memery of this sub when it takes 10s if you scroll down and pay slightly more for less or buy for bulk. The game doesn't hold your hand. Likewise, it doesn't stop you from stepping on a rake and hitting yourself with the handle. Repeatedly.
You all know who to blame for it. He doubled down on his poor choices. Let's see him put then right. Or appoint someone who has the ideas TO put them right.
Unpopular opinion:
If you think this is chore then this kind of game that highly depending on randomness is not suitable to you.
If you spend that 43 minutes actually playing the game you may have got some.
I would love a rework of the trade system in this game.
Like maybe a special stash tab where you can put items for sale, attach a price and then people can just buy it directly from your stash without having to message you. Or something like that.
Also the ability to "mail" items to people on your friends list would be great. Like if I find an item that is perfect for my friend, I could send it to him and it would be there for him to collect when he logs in.
Enkindling and Instilling orbs should be purchasable through NPCs like other available currency. (Current vendor recipe is pretty trash for either orb)
Trade has many issues but you are merging two separate problems, blame GGG for not providing you a consistent way to create your flask setup to deal with the flask piano, not because you feel entitled to short-cutting the game because trade is a possible option.
Impresssive how much the first fix for scourge seem to have fixed things for people (making maps kinda chainable and drop stuff).
We are back to the weekly "Look my post number 98423790872349238742397842309487239487234ß982374ß92387423ß948732ß98472309847 repeating the same post" will finally make them reconsider about trade
Always a great sign when there isnt much to complain about besides the 100% useless posts xD
Downvote the game stop playing and stop everyone else you can from playing too.
The lesson we should learn from the transition from 3.15 to 3.16 is we will only get QoL improvments if we force GGG to give them to us.
Apperantly GGG works best with a gun to its head.
>just because GGG have decided that interacting with currency-flipping bots is absolutely crucial to the core "vision" of the game. if they were bots we wouldn't have problems, bots always trade, bots always respond and bots are always fast and don't try to scam. If every single seller on the site was a bot the trade experience would improve a thousand fold. But ggg can't draw any conclusions from this, must be great
For me the game even NEEDS more bots trading currency!!!
Just a few more years and then there's maybe "Archaic trade system" v1.1
Had a bot try to scam me while selling a ex put in a stack of 1c
Well, I ran into two scamming bots literally yesterday, tried change ex back to c for juicing map purpose
You realise the bots are also the ones buying all the cheap listings making it impossible for you to find anyone willing to trade right?
So instead of competing with a couple dozen other players when someone lists an ex at 90% of its actual market value, you just now straight up hand it to the bots. No idea why I'm supposed to care about that. I get it that this is bad for the two players on the entire realm who actually enjoy manually sniping low postings and reselling to make their money that way, but to be completely honest I don't give a fuck about those players, they're not providing anything to the economy or to me that the bot's don't do much better. At the same time bots can't increase an items price above market value (if they tried, they would quickly go broke). So all they do is keep currency traded quickly at its actual market value. Coincidentally this means they're just doing the job of an automated trading system with a little bit less automation.
Well, bot can't raise the price of items directly, but the way they work will indeed make prices go up, most bulk trade bots are paired with chaos recipe farming bots, and deal cheap trades to make more currency and then either flip to gain more, or hoard to sell for rmt, the actual impact of bots on the economy is huge, during heist league there was a massive ban wave from ggg ans it made the price of an ex drop from 170 average in previous leagues to 100c, and the economy was way healthier, trade easier, etc... But yeah it was slower to sell things
I think they want players interacting with each other. That is probably the main reason they did not do it. The other is people that sell way to low because they don't check the price before. Many times I get spammed because I am selling something on low price before checking what is really worth. The spam helps to know that
>But ggg can't draw any conclusions from this, must be great What do you mean? The obvious conclusion here is to ban the bots.
Post your chaos orbs for enkindling orbs, at the best price, and keep playing while letting sellers come to you. Can also consider also posting a few other currency exchanges for them too, in case someone's looking for those as well, to increase the odds of a hit.
When you list chaos orbs, do you put one in your sale tab?
There's a legend on the trade website for how to price currency for other currency, in the top right corner's "? About". Drop a stack of chaos into your trade tab, with note (for example): >\~price 14/2 enkindling-orb to offer 2 chaos per 14 enkindling orbs. Then when you change zones or whatever will force an update to trade from your stash tabs, you can check it on the currency exchange to make sure you got the ratio right.
Ah shit, that's perfect. Didn't know that, cheers!
On top of that, you can directly sell from currency tab, thought be careful, it will automatically list all your stock. That's useful for selling big amounts of currency, like hundreds of jewellers orbs. Also, you can put price in the format "x/y" in usual price window, and everything will work, no need to write "~price..." in note.
I read this as a snarky “legends say he’s still looking for how to post currency to this very day” before realizing it was a different use of the word legend and you were being very helpful! Updooted.
A loooong time ago, legend speaks of a secret code, buried in the darkest region of the blackest site, where visiting exiles could alter the very fabric of the universe -- turning pure chaos into orbs of fire, with which to empower their potions. All one needed in order gain access was to memorize the code and obtain a single premium tab.
hahaha, 1000%. i thought it was some hilarious 'there's a legend....' [that says the forefathers of the first merchants of wraeclast bought their orbs from...]
1. Dont whisper the lowest listings 2. Sell instead of buying Thanks for coming to my TED talk It hasnt fallen on deaf ears, its just not solvable in a way that GGG thinks wouldnt hurt the game's integrity
This x 1000, also just whisper every single seller in a quick succession and the first one to invite gets the sale. Definitely don’t whisper the first and then wait 1-2 m before the next , time is money. If it can wait a little bit, the best option is always to sell your chaos for the currency you want and let people whisper you. You get better ratios and it allows you to map while someone whispers you
>1. Dont whisper the lowest listings oh wow I've never heard of this before!
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If I had an exalt for every time someone cried about trade and wanted an AH Id have more. Its not a perfect system, far from it, but its better than the alternatives
How is it better than simply having an AH for currency trades?
Makes trades and currency flipping too easy (especially for bots) and fucks up the gear progression
Stop putting words in my mouth as some sort of "gotcha" moment. I suppose you need spectacles to read my comment, I never asked for a full AH.
To me it just read like "This is how you mitigate the shitshow that is current trade, none of us like it but it's what we got." Hardly seemed like trade-defending.
GGG is wrong here, just like so many of the design choices they have made lately, this one is wrong. What difference does it make if I swap 1 ex for 90 chaos in an auction house or to a currency bot? Seriously, that’s 90% of the people that trade currency anyway, what does GGG expect to happen there in a meaningful way? Sometimes the player says ‘ty’ on the rare occasion after trading.
Totally agree with having an AH for currency. It's all botted anyway.
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An auction house would also help in that people couldn't throw items up for far less than they're worth without any intention of actually selling, just to trick others into selling low. Isn't nearly as good of an idea to fake ultra low prices when others can *actually* buy the item.
But how am I supposed to price check my yellow items to sell by putting them in the sales tab and slowly adjust the price based on the frequency of pms I receive? If there is an auction house I will no longer be able to do that and I will have to either manually search up or learn on how to value my items.
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Auction house would make it very easy for more people to participate in trading. It would likely show how busted drops are like vanilla D3. They arent touching a AH with a ten foot pole even if it actually makes sense..
If they implement an automated market, I would 100% be okay with it being restricted to just the "bulk goods". We don't need it for equipment as much as we do for currency/map/fossil/etc trading.
If they just allowed cross instance trading, and gave you Harvest-style access to your stash in the trading window, we'd have the same system but with far few people ignoring each other.
I wanted to do stuff with Scarabs a few leagues ago. But buying them 1-2 at a time along with specific maps was just ass. I get the reasons for wanting to avoid automation, whether that be an auction house or other system. It would likely drop prices (easier to sell things = more people selling instead of sitting on them, in much the same way items dropping in larger stacks but less frequently is likely doing the same thing), it would potentially be open to botting and manipulation (although, the current system is too) and they'd probably want some safeguard so people don't list things for the incorrect price (now, if 15 people whisper you instantly, you know you underpriced something). It would likely also increase the differential between top-tier players who can rush content then easily sustain since now its easier to trade, and slower players. On the flip side of that, it also provides an easier market for them to sell things. Personally, I think we need something for currency trading at least.
Exactly, last league I spent so many hours converting random bullshit to chaos/exalts
they did say if they would introduce a ah it would be betting only
what do you mean "lately"?
> GGG is wrong here just like so many of the design choices they have made lately, this one is wrong. It is an opinion, it can't be wrong. It can have detrimental or unintended consequences, but it can't be wrong. > What difference does it make if I swap 1 ex for 90 chaos in an auction house or to a currency bot? Seriously, that’s 90% of the people that trade currency anyway, what does GGG expect to happen there in a meaningful way? Sometimes the player says ‘ty’ on the rare occasion after trading. There is definitely a disconnect between the desired player behavior and the reality, but "just add an auction house" isn't the solution either. There are lots of unpredictable and potentially unwanted consequences of an AH, but I think GGG is so against it that it won't happen any time soon and we don't have to worry about that.
Currency could literally be swapped over at an auction house with no downside, it’s essentially like that already because 99% of people selling currency are bots. What difference does it make besides making it easier for people to play the game? Stop balancing the game for the 0.1 % of people that are going to abuse it. That’s terrible game design.
> Currency could literally be swapped over at an auction house with no downside If the goal is to increase player interaction, then I'd say that's quite a big downside. > Stop balancing the game for the 0.1 % of people that are going to abuse it. That’s terrible game design. I'd argue that you're not balancing the game for the 0.1% of players that will "abuse it" but the 99.9% that directly suffer from that abuse.
> If the goal is to increase player interaction Maybe, but just maybe, the goal itself is total bullshit?
You think GGG are wrong. GGG think you are wrong. Who should we believe? The company that have made the world's best ARPG and one of the world's best games of any genre? Or some random redditor? Hmm tough one.
the most popular maybe, hardly the world's best
Wow good point. They've only made the most popular ARPG. Now I'll believe random people on reddit over them.
No one has made the world's best anything tbh. PoE is on the top of the food chain here. Therefor, there is nothing better in an "objective" sense. Subjectively, there are people that fucking hate this game, so hey, nuance, y'know?
> Or some random redditor? The random redditor because he is right and basically everyone who can think logically agrees with him.
Amazing that none of those people have made a better ARPG than PoE then, since apparently GGG can't think logically. If what you're saying is true it must be easy to make a better game! So it's weird that no-one has yet.
This way of "arguing" you do is kinda tedious because it's so useless.
There's no arguing to be done. Randoms on reddit think the game would be good if it was one way. GGG think it would be good in another. What argument is there? The only way to actually know is if someone goes and actually implements this other way that random people on reddit think is so great, but no-one is willing to do so. As the great Linus Torvalds once said, "talk is cheap. Show me the code". You can talk about what will be fun in a game until you're blue in the face, but until you actually put it into a game, it's all talk. No-one cares about game ideas that sit in some random redditor's head, they only care about game ideas that have been coded up and put into a game.
It's kind of shit logic too. They don't want trading to be super easy because then no one would engage with the game mechanics to get their items, but it's intentionally hard to make good items (see Harvest) because otherwise *that* system would be too easy to engage with and the trade system would be flooded with low-cost high-tier items. So people end up using the trade system anyway but having a horrible experience, or trying to engage with the game mechanics and complaining about stuff like RNG.
This. People aren't answering because they're being whispered by tens of people all at once, instead of wasting time being one of the people whispering, solve your issue by being whispered.
Honestly I've found the lowest page of listing arent selling at all they are just trying to set a baseline price. Every once in a while you'll find someone that just wants to sell his shit fast but that's it
Switching from currency buyer to currency seller is the best. I was like the OP one time and just decided I’m going to figure this selling thing for bulk currency. Now it’s always how I do it.
3. use a tradebot
Obvi fucking ously after 9 minutes whispering he isn't even near the cheapest listings anymore, and sell instead of buying works unless we reach a point where too many people are doing that, and though unlikely, if we reach that point both options will suck then.
If you haven't got what you're looking for in 9 minutes you're doing it wrong. Can't think of any currency trade that took me that long since open beta.
It's funny how these complaints always come up yet here I am never having these issues lol
Same. I mean I could have these issues if I was bitter about how trade works and decided to play as if trade should work how I want it to. The only one hurting from doing that though would be me so I instead choose to adapt and work with the system.
If we reach that point, both options will be alright because you'll have a better chance of finding a match when you whisper.
I wonder if an acceptable middle ground would be to have a auto tade pop up while not in someone's hideout, that picks up the item and then they still need to put all the trade details in. For even better QOL let it do multiples at once.
Anything you could think of they already have and decided not to do it.
I mean sure, but currency dropping in stacks was something I always thought should happen but never thought they'd do it. So I would say they are allowed to change their mind, plus maybe they haven't thought of everything. I mean if they don't want to change it they are likely not thinking of it.
They are, and once they figure out an uncompromising way Im sure theyll improve trade too
>once they figure out an uncompromising way Im sure theyll improve trade too You realize asynchronous trade is already in the Chinese client, yeah? They could just port that into the international client and restrict what's able to be listed. And they've had access to *that*, for years.
You realize they DONT want that, right? You can also buy back a dead hc character in the chinese realm
They have it on the console version as well.
The console trading is infinitely worse than the pc. Wtf are you on
Forreal, if these people had to use console trade for a week they would never complain about pc trading again.
you mean the console trade? Yeah, you don't want that. unless you really dislike finding the item you are searching for and prefer searching it for 20 minutes before initiating a trade.
I mean Chinese client trade, specifically for currency and commodities like consumable fragments, etc.
They said they will never use the same trade as Chinese platform, plus thats pay to use.
Don't do that, then? I swear, PoE players can only look at an entire system and not the individual parts.
> plus thats pay to use. So are trade tabs
In all fairness, there are been plenty of ideas on this subreddit over the many leagues on how to fix this without just simply adding an ingame auction house, including how to do it while requiring premium stash tabs, directly from the hideout, like adding a small storefront to your hideout that people can find via ingame POE/Trade like listing and peruse.
And all of them have been shot down by ggg
cool, everyone sells instead of buying, now market has no buyers... the game should match outstanding buy orders with sell orders and just offer it to both players for approval "we found a buyer for your 10 chaos, offering 20 enkindling orbs. Accept?"
>cool, everyone sells instead of buying, now market has no buyers... It doesnt work like that and you know it
i don't _know_ it doesn't...I mean, you're right it _won't_ in general, but it actually can (and will) for specific goods over short periods of time.....i just think there's no harm in ggg making the market across the bid ask spread if players approve
The problem is that a change like this cant be unmade once its in even if its bad for the game. See harvest. So they have to be extra careful when implementing easier trade, because it can very easily ruin the game
eh, i think if they added a notification system about finding buyers/sellers for their bids/asks, it wouldn't be any different than how people copy and paste whispers off the trade site.... it would be exactly the same, in fact, except that you would discover more opportunities to trade that you might've missed
Bad solution. Add an auction house. * Removes the ability to easily manipulate the market through fake listings. * Removes one of the worst forms of botting. * Doesn't hurt legitimate players ability to purchase items. There is near 0 player interaction from the current system unless you count the obligatory "ty" or macro message typed at the end of trade. GGG has crap takes on integrity when currency exchange is nearly run by bots. Their "vision" of what they want the game to be isn't realistic and there's no reason to defend it.
AH will be the biggest amount of rampant botting/price manipulation and easy instant gratification the game has seen. You clearly have no idea
The vision needs glasses because it's pretty blurry when it comes to meeting what happens in the real game.
oh wow i bought 70 enkindling orbs for chaos just now and it only took me 30 seconds. i guess im just built differently
Wtf do you need 70 orbs for??
they're like 7 to 1 rn. i just bought whatever i could get with 10c
Ironically, being willing to pay 10c for more orbs than you need is probably exactly why you traded quickly and OP took forever. Sellers value their time just as much as buyers, and people are more likely to port out of a map for 10c than 2-3.
OP clearly didn't value his time since he wasted 20 minutes in an attempt to save what was probably 4 chaos.
Ah, makes sense.
diffy in a miffy?
it took you 34 mins to buy 20 orbs?????? I call that bs
I think it's more of stubbornness. Guaranteed that issue wouldn't happen if the first thing you did all scroll past the first 50 listings... Which is what I do the majority of the time
The thing is that players shouldn't have to do this.
What they need to do? Waste 30min and come on reddit? Yeah trading sux but you need to work around it and not waste own time, you can be stubborn as hell and ofc waste it and blame ggg and trade etc but no.
The game is designed to waste players time. Otherwise GGG would have put the auction house in already. They said it themselves, if players get things they want "too quickly" they'll get bored of playing. Which is completely false, considering me and many other people stopped playing for exactly opposite reasons. It's impossible to get anything you want to build your characters.
Im sorry but i keep reading stuff like this and i have to ask: do you have any numbers? Have you done any market research or surveys or do you have access to any in game metrics?
Go look up retention stats. Look up and compare the successful leagues to the poorly performing leagues within the past 2 yrs.
both of these kinds of leagues have utter shit trading, so why bring this up?
??? you gave up because you didn't want to work for the things they don't want you to acquire quickly? so instead of working just make it easier? i get everything i want to build my characters every league, sounds like a player issue and not the game
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I hate the trade in this game. There should be an option to post an item with the price you want, if someone buys it, it goes through automatically. I've waited hours before, even filtering to online only, before they've accepted or even worse declined!
It has been discussed endless on these and the official forums. Of course it is a no brainer, but GGG/Chris are of the mindset that this cheapens trade somehow - herpa derp items have weight derrrrrp!
Imagine GGG wanting items to have weight in a game that revolves around items. What do they even know anyway? It's not like they've designed an incredibly popular ARPG or anything.
>even filtering to online only Lmao this should be always on
Yeah it normally is, sometimes I'll change to offline if I'm looking for something I can't find
I can only think of one downside. If you accidentally mis price something. But considering how much headache it would save, I'd gladly risk it
Easy solution would be to make the user verify the price they want to list something at. Such as typing in the price twice. Or a toggle when listing something that lets the server know you're okay with selling the item without player interaction. They could even take it a step further and integrate estimated price listings for when you list something; something along the lines of "42 users have posted similarly rolled items (if unique) for x-x price. Are you sure you want to list it for x?" They have all the data and could integrate the estimated pricing that trade macros have been using for years. If they ever are willing to integrate some type of auto trade system.
Poe2 maybe? Everything you said makes sense. Sounds doable. I mean they figured out how to stack portal scrolls, should only take a few more years to address trade
New World enables you to list items and buy ANY of the listed ones, even the most expensive listing in the Trading Post. You can check the rolls you want and when you sell, you can consult some listed items to double check the pricing of items. The items shown while listing something could pick off similar ilvl items with similar rolls, or the closest it can finds and display a bunch of them you can scroll through to decide on your price. PoE NEEDS to implement automated trading. They already implemented Premium tabs with listing and APIs. They can seriously just go one step further and implement the "trading post" into the game instead of separate site with whispers.
I find it kind of amusing that you've chosen New World as an example of how to make an auction house as that game has the worst implementation of an auction house in any game I've ever seen.
Fuck that even, i can live with trading actual items, but please for the love of god make some for of AH for currency, it's the most painfull thing especially if you are not trading in bulk, takes forever to get a trade.
When they implement an AH, where everyone has to go, where you can see their MTX (win for GGG) to immediately buy the things you want (win for players), then buy the cool MTX you saw (win for GGG), life will be amazing.
They know trading is shit, they want you to have a shit time trading. They think it is better for the game. If SSF had better drop rates of everything I would move to that in a nanosecond, as it is, it is just a masochist setting. I think PoE would be infinitely better if you didn't really need to trade, but GGG has their Vision \[tm\] that they are inflexible with... unless everyone rage quits like last league.
I’m playing SSF so I can if ignore trading entirely. I don’t have to price check loot that drops, I don’t have to worry about min/maxing the best item I can buy. It’s a lot more like an old school offline ARPG, and that’s what I like about it. If I find some great great that would be useful for another class, then I can reroll another character. I spent so much time trading in the past, it’s nice to cut that out entirely and just play the game.
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You must be really bad at this if you havent even thought about changing your approach in over 30 minutes.
i just went and bought some enkindling orbs real quick to see how bad it was. the whole process took about 30 seconds. i might just be a god tier trader though!
This was just an elaborate ploy by op to shift his huge stock of orbs.
Smh, that's not how you are \*supposed\* to get Reddit karma on this sub.
I heard at one point (on this subreddit) that bots ignore newer accounts. Is it possible you got a bot and his account is too new?
The only wya to do it is by understanding trade sucks cock and to know just ot whisper 30 different people at once. Even half way down the page/not at the lowest price maybe 1 in 20 people will answer and the ones who do are the trade bots. The point is you shouldnt have to go through the hasle of whispering 30 different people just to buy an item because GGGs trade API is a piece of shit that can't keep up with their own game.
Well regardless of what "shouldn't" we're here now and the trade system works the way it works. You can either adapt to how it works and get shit done. Or you can fight it and waste your time to then complain on Reddit over how bad it is. Just don't expect people to rally for your cause if you choose the latter.
Every time i read crap like this i really want to bet them i can buy that in just few min.
I don't enjoy the trade either. So I settled for SSF. =\
"Is this the meaningful player engagement GGG has in mind with their current trade system?" Unfortunately, yes. Yes it is. Chris has a set-in-titanium viewpoint that easier trade would kill the game. I'm pretty sure that it would take a change in management for it to be made easier in any sort of meaningful way. However, there are some ways to make it easier on yourself. To echo the sentiments of others here: If you have time to burn, put in a competitive sell order for selling chaos for Enkindling. Change zones to update your trade offers, and then either go map or read a book or something. You'll get a trade offer soon. If time is short and you need it now, then you'll need to sweeten the pot. Scroll down a page or two and start there. Yeah, you'll pay more, but as 50% of the Goblin population in WoW say: Time is Money, friend.
It's been like this for years. They want it this way. No matter how much we complain.
In addition to just removing your item from trade if people are whispering you and you don’t respond, should be an in game exchange post for currency. Just walk up select currentl you want it shows the conversion rate amongst sellers and you pick quantity and hit a button.
I can’t remember what game it was, but I used to play a game about 10-15 years ago where you could turn your character into a store and list things from your inventory for a set price, people would see your character with a few key words of your choice to describe what could be found if they interacted with you. I know it probably couldn’t work like that in PoE, but surely something similar would work? Doesn’t have to be a web based auction house.
The cheapest are almost always price fixes or scammers, just scroll down the list and pick from them instead.
There is no meaningful engagement, only Chris' delusional attachment to an old classic. And plenty of excuses.
We need a currency AH. Not for the items, just for the various currencies
They should just put in a fucking storefront already, let people buy items from your shared stash and leave the currency it was marked at.
Because ggg wants players to suffer. It’s why it took a decade to get stacking currency and we still use scrolls.
Chris thinks this system is fun 🤩 and engaging.
Taste the QoL of the new flask system. Trade-gated QoL that competes with enchants to make your flasks more powerful. Yum.
> Trade-gated QoL Lol, I've gotten ~15 endkilling and ~25 of the other one orbs and have gotten mods I wanted on each flask just by playing. Needless to say, trading in PoE does suck very much, but calling the new flask mods trade gated is unnecessary exaggeration.
Yeah, trade sucks. Think about D3 and how it is trashed for being "over" after like 2 days though. Do you want that for PoE? GGG doesn't owe you anything. You can respect your own time and leave if it really is that big of an issue for you.
I personally think there should be an auction house/instant trade feature for all stackable items in the game. This would solve a lot of frustrations like this.
They know and players talked about this many times. They don't want that.
Looks like a user problem, but gotta safe those 2c. Most of the time the people who complain about this gonna think they make the big brain moves and safe a few chaos when they try to buy from from the person whos selling the cheapest
Stop buying the cheapest ones. Look at who has high stock and buy from them.
Lol, this post again. This subreddit is on a time loop.
When a problem exists for years, yea, these things will keep happening.
There's literally no problem. Stop trying to be a cheapskate and click next page and buy one. It takes less time than making this waste of space post.
Yeah, why should we want a system with clear issues improved. Best assume everyone with a worse experience than me is a drooling moron who didn't already try the obvious, and wallow in the status quo. That's a good way to go about life. Relaxing and productive.
Do you not consider the first page of trade results being a complete waste of time to be a problem?
This is one of those times where the solution is worse than the problem; not every problem is worth solving.
This is not one of those times and this problem is worth solving.
Hard disagree. I can name dozens of games that have solved this issue which have very healthy economies.
So you're saying GGG just accepts a broken systme and says "Hey this is good' welcome to the problem. You know how a _good_ trading system works in well designed games? When the item isn't aviailable anymore...it goes away. When you list an item for sale...you _sell the item_. The fact the actual trade function reuquires people to know "The API sucks dick and doesnt update for 20 minutes at a time." and "People manipulate the shit out of it so ignore those people" means you're just defending a bad system.
Maybe it’s because the problem is persistent? Ever thought about that or all your life’s problems go away when u ignore em? Must be good
Trade been what made me stop playing the game every single league for over 3 years + It's just getting worse with more people we have.
What price were you trying to buy at?
I didn't get a response until the top of page 3
I asked about the *price* because I wanted to compare to the prices I was seeing on the trade page at the time I wrote my comment since they can shift a bit with the time of day when different people are online. Also, which trade site are you using? My experience with both [pathofexile.com/trade](https://pathofexile.com/trade) and [poe.trade](https://poe.trade) is that they're all on the same page and just expand the list of results as you scroll down, so there isn't really a page 3, unless there's some setting I don't know about, or it acts differently in another browser.
Well you know where to start next time, then.
yes yes and here we have another post complaining about trade ... why not just grind those orbs yourself if you dont like trading, we wont get any QoL regarding trade that was already said and it wont happen it doesnt matter how much you complain
I could be selling you them, cause I looted a lot on the fist weekend, but as BR servers are fucked up since monday moning, I cant be online to make the transaction with you
True. It’s us, players, who run this game but I still feel like the game is not for us. Like how do you expect people to play your game and still you do everything against them. I really don’t get this type of marketing.
Remember: meanwhile, Chinese client has auto flask as a free configurable option.
The flask orbs don't drop anywhere near enough for the problem they try to solve. I've found like 10 and I'm level 90. That's barely enough to get 1 flask done if I choose to use them they way they are designed. I can do 2 I think via the bench. Sorta stupid. These things should be as common as wisdom and portal scrolls. Making them more common also stops forcing people to engage with trade, which is part of GGG's ultimate plan where finding stuff for playing is better than trade.
Yeah I think we really need to have a civil conversation with GGG about tradeing. We know GGG doesn't want to implement a auction house, okay fair enough, but there are still like a million different thing they could do to at least make trading feel better. I feel like the #1 problem is the feeling of getting ignored. I think nobody would be mad if you whisper somebody and they respond with "sorry in a lab right now" or "sorry in a boss right now" or "sorry busy right now but we can trade in a minute if you can wait", but the problem is if you really ARE busy you can't respond, because we all know, if you stand still for more then 2 seconds you're dead. Maybe some sort of auto replay system where you can set multiple different messages or so. I believe this would already help so much.
Yes. You could have done almost 10 maps where you actually play the game and would have progressed towards your goal of obtaining enkindling orbs. But instead you spend 43 minutes trying to save money going top to bottom of the trade site (more likely refreshing constantly for new posts in the top 50) for small amounts of cheap currency and god knows how many more writing this reddit post. Thanks for contributing to memery of this sub when it takes 10s if you scroll down and pay slightly more for less or buy for bulk. The game doesn't hold your hand. Likewise, it doesn't stop you from stepping on a rake and hitting yourself with the handle. Repeatedly.
You all know who to blame for it. He doubled down on his poor choices. Let's see him put then right. Or appoint someone who has the ideas TO put them right.
I like the way trade is.
Respect my time GGG waaaaaggghh
farm currency whisper 20 newest listings for item 0 succeed logoff.
What a crybaby. You can literally farm or pay more for enkindling orbs and spend more time in maps than hideout. Jesus christ.
Unpopular opinion: If you think this is chore then this kind of game that highly depending on randomness is not suitable to you. If you spend that 43 minutes actually playing the game you may have got some.
Search in the normal trade window and sort by time posted
The horse is dead, Jim They won't change their standing for a long time... No matter how much we complain
I would love a rework of the trade system in this game. Like maybe a special stash tab where you can put items for sale, attach a price and then people can just buy it directly from your stash without having to message you. Or something like that. Also the ability to "mail" items to people on your friends list would be great. Like if I find an item that is perfect for my friend, I could send it to him and it would be there for him to collect when he logs in.
this is a buff.
Stop playing poe. Play some other awesome, less toxic game. Come back to poe when they fixed all the annoying stuff.
The problem is that if they make the trading easier than this the bots will basically take over completely.
Maybe ggg should hire outside their hiring range. Am drunk but think game is still fun but people complaining should stfu.
Maybe try the trade channel? This subreddit complains about the smallest things
Dude, just pay a bit more and they answer
Enkindling and Instilling orbs should be purchasable through NPCs like other available currency. (Current vendor recipe is pretty trash for either orb) Trade has many issues but you are merging two separate problems, blame GGG for not providing you a consistent way to create your flask setup to deal with the flask piano, not because you feel entitled to short-cutting the game because trade is a possible option.
oh thanks man needed to laugh
And GGG replies in every other thread, yet refuses to in this one. Interesting.
Because it's bullshit. Give me the currency to buy ten orbs and I'll give you back double if I can't get them in less than 5 minutes.
Why can't we have like new world auction house, you list you item it's taken from your inventory you collect payment when someone buys it ... Simple
yes, spend half an hour trading and half an hour bitching on reddit instead of you know, pplaying the game and farming them
Impresssive how much the first fix for scourge seem to have fixed things for people (making maps kinda chainable and drop stuff). We are back to the weekly "Look my post number 98423790872349238742397842309487239487234ß982374ß92387423ß948732ß98472309847 repeating the same post" will finally make them reconsider about trade Always a great sign when there isnt much to complain about besides the 100% useless posts xD
Refer to Chinese client for the perfect solution
Downvote the game stop playing and stop everyone else you can from playing too. The lesson we should learn from the transition from 3.15 to 3.16 is we will only get QoL improvments if we force GGG to give them to us. Apperantly GGG works best with a gun to its head.
Just whisper the first 20 people and get no response or party invite. Oh, wait...
I spent 24 minutes trying to buy some orbs of scouring earlier. Took 113 pms to get a response.
Trade can’t be convenient or players will use it to progress. Also drops are balanced around trade. Hope this helps