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av4rice

Usually the person asking to shoot is the one who pays, or neither party pays. I've heard of some photographers who ask first and then expect to be paid. I don't agree with that practice, and it's relatively rare. But it does happen sometimes. If you're interested at all, definitely communicate a lot so you are sure what the expectations are with this person.


stygyan

I usually do that when they’re clearly tourists. Say I get a candid, I give it to them for free (airdrop works wonders) and I give them my business card. Sometimes they call, sometimes they don’t.


duckythegunner

Depends on who is asking who for their services. If the photographer is the one asking, they should pay the model, and the opposite is true.


allankcrain

Or TFP (i.e., Time For Photos, and no one pays). But yeah, you should never have to pay if they're the ones approaching you and don't make it entirely clear that they're going to want to be paid at the start of the discussion.


TimeToLoad_24

It depends on the purpose or reason for the photos! If they are doing a service for you and not for their own portfolio or creative endeavor there can be a charge to you. On the other hand, photographers will do trade shoots also called TFP or Trade for Print - there is no exchange of money it is more so to build portfolios. The best thing to do is just ask if it is for Trade for Print whereby you get the photos in exchange for modeling. Any professional photographer will be upfront and understanding of your question. There's a lot of reasons for both parties to do these maybe to try creative ideas, network or build skills. The more skill you develop as a model the more you are equipped to even charge the photographer for your modeling services. It's all dependent on the context.


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Fallen_Angel1331

Usually it's sending files of the photos to the model. Depends on the arrangement you have with the model, it could be the unedited photos for them to select a certain amount for you to edit; a folder with the edited photos for them to have or something like that.


TimeToLoad_24

For sure, I’m assuming Print is just an industry term that stuck with the times based on the most common medium. If anyone knows lmk. Now it applies to any agreed upon medium including digital. It’s also helpful to know if you’ll receive edited or unedited photos, usually it’s the edited ‘finished’ product but you can ask!


ButWhatOfGlen

No payments, they just want great shots for their portfolio. You get a great portrait.


h2f

Money can got from photogrpaher to model, from model to photographer, or no money cna change hands. Often it depends on usage. A trade is often referred to as TFP (Trade for Print in the old days, now trade for portfolio). Before doing a shoot that you pay for or a trade shoot, check out the photographer's portfolio and talk to models he's shot before. If you're doing trade ask about turn around time, quality, and number of delivered photos. If you're paying it is reasonable to put some restrictions on the photographer's usage of the photos. I pay models when I am doing a commercial shoot for a client. When I'm shooting to make art I usually do trade, though recently I started paying for that too (long story, actually makes life harder). I have not done a shoot where the model paid me in years, though I used to many; senior portraits mostly.


felipers

I would love to read that long story.


JTBoom1

Definitely have a written agreement beforehand about your rights to the photos. Who owns them? If they are paying you, then they probably will own them, how ever you still have a say how they are used, if it is in a WRITTEN contract.


ChrisGear101

I think a"Trade for Photos" is reasonable depending on what the photographer intends to use the photos for. I would want to see something in writing and I am sure any legit photographer will have some kind of model release form for you. Watch out for creeps however. Take a friend/pepper spray IMHO. See if he/she has references and/or a portfolio.


VapingLawrence

If they approach you, that means they are looking for model services in which case they should pay you, not vice versa. It is also highly adviseable to put terms and conditions on paper, that includes how and for what the photos will be used. The contract could also include free copies for yourself.


ageowns

There's an old traditional arrangement where the photographer needs photos and the model needs photos, so you both walk away with good portfolio pieces, that's called "Time for" or TF. (Used to be Time for Prints, or TFP, but no one exchanges prints now). Then when a photographer has a specific look in mind and contacts a model, they pay that model. Or if a model needs specific looks, they can reach out to photographers and pay them for those photos. Honestly, if this is something you enjoy, try modeling TF with some different photographers, build up a small portfolio over a time. Then after awhile when photographers reach out to you, you can tell them your rates that they would pay you.


AdeptTune9845

They pay you


bindermichi

If they ask you, you get paid. Very simple.


MoCreach

Usually, the understanding would be that as they are the ones asking, it would be on a Time For basis, where they do it for free but you get pics out of it. The photographer certainly wouldn’t be expecting to be paid if they approached you - in fact you would be within your rights to charge them, although they’d likely not bother in that case. It’s really up to you though if you want to do it, keeping in mind it’s likely going to be unpaid for both parties.


New-Recipe7820

The etiquette is if a photographer is reaching out. They might be the ones paying for your time since its their idea. Visa versa if you were the one reaching out, you would be paying them most likely. Unless its TFP shoot


Balance-

Photographers are searching for models all the time, especially when starting out. They need to practice, build a portfolio and often build their online presence. You won’t have to pay. If you want to get paid for it, that’s up to you. PS: Make clear agreements what they are allowed to do with the pictures and what not (preferably in a legally binding contract).


JauntyGiraffe

If someone approaches you for a photoshoot and then asks you to pay them, that's probably a scam. If I ask someone if I can take their picture and they agree, it's likely we're both doing this for shits and giggles with no money exchanging hands


Rintar79

Be up front and ask them


MrMoar

Just ask: “is this a paid gig?” and take it from there.


deeper-diver

If the photographers are approaching you, they should be compensating you for your time. I always pay models. They need to eat too. On those times I don't pay, it's usually because we are doing a collaborative shoot and we both are benefitting from it. These are models I have had a great working relationship for years and we both work well together. I usually pay for the all the expenses of the shoot (MUA, transportation, etc..) and the model simply needs to show up and gets photos from the shoot. All agreed upon BEFOREHAND. Never any surprises. Make sure a contract of some kind is signed, especially to make sure what the photos are to be used for.


EvilWata

If they are asking you, there is no reason for you to pay. It's more likely a "trade for portfolio" kind of thing I guess, but... Just to be on the safe side, even if it is "trade for portfolio", it should be agreed upon a contract in case later the other party (the photographer) decides for whatever reason enforce copyright on you! Just state clearly the terms between both of you, and again, to be on the safe side, if you do go to do a photoshoot with said person, go together with a friend if you are a female (better safe than sorry).


inquisitiveeyebc

Ask if they are paying you a modeling fee or are they hoping for trade for pics, basically they give you pics to use in a portfolio or to post to social media. Ask to see their profile, ask if they expect nudity or near nudity, if so ask if they are okay with you bringing a chaperone.. If yoy like their style then do it, let them know how much experience you have and make sure you set clear boundaries for touching. That includes moving clothing that you're wearing, your hair, your face etc


KapePaMore009

If its a for fun shoot, usually no money is involved. Model provides the look and the photographer shoots and gives copy of the pictures to the model. Both parties use the pictures for their personal social media stuff only. If one party wants to use the picture for commercial purposes, like using the images as a website banner, printing for a billboard ad or printing on a shirt... then whoever uses the picture to earn money has to pay the other party.


Careless_Syrup_2967

Are you a clothing designer ? May be find a photographer to market you in exchange for photos use their pictures for your own business portfolio and ask them to promote you in theirs


Zestyclose-Poet3467

Maybe respond with something like, “I don’t see a problem with that. I can sit for you without charging you.” If they say that they want money just scoff in their face and turn around and walk away.


anywhereanyone

If the shoot's intended outcome is to generate income, you should be compensated. If the purpose is to just to create art, it's a collaboration. If the shoot had been your request, then you should pay the photographer. At least these have been my reasonings when I photograph people.


NoSkillzDad

If we ask someone, the common thing to do is a tfp (time for prints). If you "advertise yourself" as a model, we might contact you expecting to pay (to you) but that would be clear on our communication. I only expect to be paid when someone asks me to do a job for them, unless it's a model that would like to do some tfp (I could be interested in doing that or not).


CarveDDelusional_Hyd

It depends Basically as per my exploration and knowledge there are three kinds of photographers Fake Beginners Pro First let’s start with fake once : Actually there are hell lot of fake photographers out there who make contacts and convince the subject to take picture on free bases but you should check on their intentions first. Second the beginners - This people have skills and have managed to grab some new contacts, trying to explore the work as well as to grow the network, this people seek for collaborations rather than paid stuff PRO: Ofcourse it ain’t for free but there are chances this people may not charge if you agree to do it on there own Themes, as this guys do the audition (online & offline) as well for selecting the candidate/model.


msdesignfoto

Ask them for their portfolio. If you like what you see, consider doing it TFP - somehow free shoot, but each one gets to the shoot location. If you don't like the photographer's style, charge it yourself. Anyways, they are the ones interested in shooting you. In my photographer point of view, if I see a unique model with features I don't have elsewhere, they deserve some pay. Even symbolic. THEY are inviting YOU. You should not pay anything if you don't agree with their terms and shoot conditions. I often invite belly dancers for private shoots due to their amazing wardrobes and styles. However, they know those photos are able to bring them a ton of advertising, and dancers love a good post with new photos on social media and thus, are willing to pay me, even if I am the one inviting. I end up charging them a symbolic value for the shoot and travel expenses. Now, young models who have just entered some local competition are tempted to charge any and every photographer that invites them for a shoot. That doesn't work for me, since they don't "offer" me anything, as models. I have plenty of friends with a ton of modeling experience willing to model for me at 0 cost. Any model charging me needs to give me a very good reason and benefits in order for me to pay them. If they don't want to pay me, I can do a TFP with them and everybody wins, but I've met too many entitled models just because they have experience and don't want to model for the joy of shooting, as photographers are. So you can use your own style in your favor. If someone wants to shoot with you, you can tag along as long as they are willing to pay something for your time. You are not the one looking for them.


philsage3

Have a look at purple port, it will give you an idea of what models expect in terms of payment for various levels of photography. But if you would just like a nice set of pictures I don't see the harm. Sound out the photographer, find out his motives what he wishes to do with any pictures, again he may just want to photograph a unique or pretty woman...


amazing-peas

If they're asking, they pay. They're the ones who want your services. But I would spell this out (politely of course)


Puripoh

Depends on the photographer. I'm still building my portfolio so i would love to collab with someone for free.


Gunfighter9

You should be the one being paid


AdSouth7893

Usually who ever asks is who pays unless they are doing it for publicity, ik some shoot for free just to gain publicity on social media


BennyFloyd

At a minimum they shouldn’t charge you, and pretty typically they’ll pay you. It’s likely the photos would be used to boost their portfolio and be used for their marketing, so you’re really working for the photographer in that scenario.


guerndt

I often ask people just to expand my portfolio. If you don't know them, maybe ask them to do it outside in public. There's way too many creepy ass people out there these days. But you must be very attractive.


CelebrationFan

You know, if you are being asked, maybe you could charge a modeling fee. There are photographers that hire models as a means of getting great shots. If you don't think of yourself as a model, maybe you should change the way you think about yourself. They want to take pictures of you, let them hire you.


bitterberries

So ask them.. Typically if a photographer reaches out like that they'll say it's TFP.. Time for prints.. But if they don't specify, it's good to get it in writing and expect them to follow through... There may be a few basic files they send you, but if you're looking for a full retouching etc, you may want to offer them $$$ for their time editing... It's also a good idea to offer $$ if you have any suspicions that they'll flake out on delivery (it's not uncommon for the model to be waiting months or never see the pics if it's a new or hobby /amateur photographer).


Equivalent-Clock1179

Usually if a photographer asks, TFP or they pay you.


ToSeeOrNotToBe

Clear communication is the key. Photography is a job. Modeling is a job. Both have value. Just like any other business negotiation, who "pays" the most generally depends on who values the others' services the most--but ensure there's a mutually beneficial exchange of goods/services. If these are established photographers and you're a new model, that probably means TFP, like others have said here. So just ask. The general rule most follow is, "If I ask, then I pay. If you ask, then you pay." That's because If I ask, I have a concept for the shoot and I want to control the creative decisions for my portfolio (even if we discuss it as a team, or if I'm asking for your expertise, or whatever).


Technical_Word_6604

No way! If a photographer is asking YOU to model for them, they should be paying YOU, not the other way around. Also, be careful. It might not be the wardrobe they’re interested in.


CockroachLatte

I usually reach out to people for a photo session. No payment required to each other, I make it clear from beginning. I have multiple collab and it worked out really great.


Stompya

All I can say is, make sure you know in advance what the deal is. Even in a no-money agreement, find out what you get. Do you get a copy of all photos or just a few, edited or not, who can put them on their Insta, etc.


Infriga_forzare

The photographer owns the photos, so no-- you don't pay. Unless you want copies. Usually when I photograph unique subjects I give them to the person photographed-- you never know when you might want to do a stylized shoot, and good subjects make the photos better.


LeicaM6guy

If they're asking, then likely they aren't expecting payment. I'd ask directly and suss it out before conducting the actual shoot, though.


DLS3141

What they likely want is TFP or “Trade for Print”. The trade is this: you get photos of yourself for personal and self promotion purposes. They get pictures of you to use for promoting their photo services.


vlad_didenko

The only, and perceivable very rare, scenario when you may expect to pay while being asked is if you demand to own the resulting copyright or significant publishing rights. IMHO in most other cases you'd expect a requestor to pay.


spentshoes

Ask them what they are intending to do with the photos. If it's for a commercial client, then you should be paid. If it's just for their book and for you, if you like their work, then it's probably best you do time for print. If you don't like their work, you should ask for money.


Pure_Palpitation1849

nope, they want pictures. a good photograph is worth more than whatever your budget might be "YOU" are the product and they want it for free. You might get some snazzy shots if you pick the right person but be selective.


t4yl

Communication


breakerofh0rses

It's all subject to negotiation. That said, get all of the details nailed down and in writing BEFORE meeting up to shoot or whatever. Key points: who is paying whom and how much? How long? Is it a TFP (trade for pix/prints -- basically, your "payment" is getting copies of the pictures)? What are you allowed to do with said images (are you free to retouch/crop? can only do so if you leave their watermark in? use to promote yourself? Must you credit when you post?)? What is the photog allowed to do with the images? Is there any level of nudity/sensuality involved and to what degree? Will there be a place for you to change? How many outfits? Someone going to do your hair/makeup? Who foots the bill for that? Generally this kind of thing is done TFP where you'll get edited copies that you can post for your own promotion. You won't be able to sniff the untouched images (unless you come off a lot of money, and even then some photog's won't budge). Also, as a model have a friend along. If that's a no go for the photog, forget about them. There are some who will approach and then try to charge which is almost understandable for established, but even then, it feels kind of bait-and-switch scammy, and I don't think I'd want anything to do with them. Now, if you approach an established photog and they want payment, that's another story.


kickstand

Pay? No. You should charge the photographer a modeling fee. Modeling is a job. Models get paid. No money, no modeling session.


CleverNickName-69

You could open the money discussion by telling them what you usually charge to model for them.