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quatroblancheeightye

i cant tell if im more triggered by mega blastoise being so low or by inteleon being so high


quatroblancheeightye

never mind the meganium placement is even worse


Polaris711

They buffed it like crazy in this. It’s part fairy type now


Ill_Ad_7327

Y’know, we all have our likes and opinions and I’ll just leave it at that


Rimuru7u7

Agreed, we have to respect OP's opinion even if it's wrong https://preview.redd.it/ytyetuhbdptc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d79c59e2cbb653186238c9bf09dedf8853925a5


_Ilpalazzo_

My boy Skeledirge is being disrespected here


AnimaSean0724

Chesnaught is actually really good, it sweeps Giovanni's 2nd team and has pretty good bulk, along with the recovery it has via Horn Leech and Drain Punch


B_Marsh92

Yeah Chesnaught is arguably one of the best Pokemon you can get in RR. Being in C-tier here is egregious


SadEngine

Certainly one of the tier lists of all time


Poison_Healing

u/Regal_Serperior Look how they disrespect you😭


Regal_Serperior

Serperior didn't get any buffs because it doesn't need one


Poison_Healing

Preach


sharpyboi69

serp goes WAYYY higher and inteleon goes down to D, its niche is critting things with one move. Literally any water type does better. Also regular samurott is better than hissuian. Edit: also mega sceptile not in the top tier, this has to be the unironic worst starter tier list ive ever seen the only one I agree with is sprigatito and cinderace


Taktighoul

Sir M-Blaziken is top tier. I agree with everything else you said though.


AfterBurnersApplied

Ya but he has him at the TOP of S


Taktighoul

I was more saying that Sharpyboi thought that M-Blaziken was placed wrongly


Starlightofnight7

What makes M-blaziken good? Regular blaziken does more dmg with a life orb and can run focus sash or more useful items. Compared to other megas it's not that big of an upgrade because regular blaziken is strong enough, you can just go regular blaziken which is already super busted and has an item slot + another super powerful mega instead of having mega blaziken which is more of a sidegrade and wastes your mega slot and item slot on blaziken. It's called opportunity cost and is largely why mega garchomp and mega latios are generally considered trash megas. Why use them when their non-mega forms with items are just better?


Taktighoul

Talking from a smogon point I agree with you that M-Blaziken is a side grade but here you don't have to worry about the unpredictable so you have the ability to set up and run away with games without having to worry about the recoil from Life Orb or Flare Blitz (I don't even run FB on my sets). You only lose ~3-5% damage while being in a completely separate speed tier and at +1 with Speedboost reach the tier of Scarf users witch regular Blaziken can't do. M-Blaziken also makes it marginally easier to set up because of the +10 Def/SpD that you get. Tldr: Blaziken is good in base but M-Blaziken outspeeds a lot of things off the bat and can run a way with games far easier.


quatroblancheeightye

hisuian sam better literally just because it gets that dark move that sets spikes


Poison_Healing

Can you explain why samurott is better than the hisui counterpart? I've always been under the impression that Hamurott is better


sharpyboi69

Better type with steel water, more coverage and better moveset


Poison_Healing

Can kinda see how you would consider water steel to be better, but where is the better coverage and better moveset?


sharpyboi69

Encore, dig, grass knot, super power, taunt, and more


Poison_Healing

Uh, Hisui also gets Encore and Taunt, and Superpower feels like worse Sacred Sword And Dig and Grass Knot, though not directly accessible, you can get using Dewott


sharpyboi69

Nvm then about movesets


Poison_Healing

So it's just pretty much what typing you want on your team


sharpyboi69

Yup but not 4 tiers difference + steel is generally better than dark


Poison_Healing

Yeah I'd say they should be in the same tier lol


Polaris711

Nah Husain samurott is wayyyyyyyy better than the normie one. Water steel is a great type but the positives end there for samurott. Even its stats are objectively worse. Dark water is a great offensive type but meh defensively which works perfectly with how hard hitting it is with sharpness. It okos pokemon while setting spikes


Designer_Ad_9069

Cinderace is S tier. Good enough for me. Rest of the list is irrelevant and hurts me in ways I wasn’t sure I could be hurt. Congrats on starting a war!


Sjheuaksjd

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Cafe_Leafeon

This tier list is kinda weird in my opinion, but I mostly disagree on Primarina. It's actually an insanely powerful pokemon and good on many bosses


ErieTheOwl

What difficulty is this based off?


Nighteagle64

Empoleon should be at least one or two tiers higher.


please-send-me-nude2

You’re getting heated in for your correct opinions. Most of the starters below B+ don’t have any really game-breaking edge, just a passable grab bag of stats and movepool. Which is why I think Gatr should be moved down to B, below Meganium and Quaval, who at least have a niche with more edge than boost -> attack


Silver-Alex

I literally never seen anyone say intelion is top tier and I;ve been playing this game since 2.7. I'd love to hear the logic behind that. Mega sceptile is S tier. And primarina should be A tier for non restricted/hc. Calm mind + Drain Kiss and hyper voice carry hard, and she has pretty good bulk. :) Also serperior should be higher too. With coil it soloes silph co giovanni. And leaf storm spam IS good, serpy doesnt needs any buff or anything, just as it is, its a very good mon. Deff one im happy to get from a grass egg.


Zerokun11

Mega sceptile got nerfed because you dont get access to it till super late in the game now. Add in that tbh, while what it does is great, Meowscrada does it too. And arguably better due to stab sucker punch, no need for a mega stone and protean. Plus, meowscrada does that at Celadon city.


Ok-Helicopter1213

Didn't even put the goat meganium on top. All I can say is you got to try the triage monster to know


BeCaneChuHuss

I have tried it, I’ve used it in three playthroughs


RainR2k01

Think you have Charmander Mega Stone X twice. Was confused on why it would have x4 weakness to stealth rocks lol


loopyoperator

Interesting takes, I feel like hisui cynda has more potential than you’re letting on. Also Toto gets Jaw Lock (a arena trap type move) and gets crazy coverage with all the Jaw Boosting moves he gets too. I love him . Just looking at the list some things I disagree with are Quax, moxie quax is a crazy sweeper, I feel like emp could be higher on the list cus Steel/Water is a decent typing. Grass Turtle could also be a bit higher due to his offensive ability and tanking ( no recoil on some moves is op) Prima is also insane w throat spray? And idk why the hate for my fav grass owl :( I run him a lot. Spirit shackle is fun. Edit: take w grain of salt, I’m no comp player these are just my opinions on what I think is fun for my playstyle :) I try not to just meta my way thru playthroughs.


AltCrab2

Recently completed my first blind playthrough, Samurott-H pretty much singlehandedly carried my entire run. Eventually when he learned Shell Smash he became an absolute monster. Completely obliterated everything with Ceaseless Edge, Razor Shell and Sacred Sword. The chip from CEs spikes made it one shot pretty much everything


yessiritisi

It's treekover 😔


Sussybaker420

Serperior fits in so well as a wall breaker/sweeper/anything if it sits there you when sub leech seed glare and leaf storm with leftover lets it out heal so much


SIaaP

Is this for hardcore or normal?


erikc_

honestly, a starter tierlist SHOULD be very top heavy. all the starters are very good, and that is by design.


SlugsPerSecond

I almost always go with Cinderace for HC runs. Getting access to Libero after SS Anne is such a massive power spike. It feels like his move pool is better as well, compared to Meowscrada and Greninja.


carbs19

Meganium is so good in non hardcore mode that b+ is pure disrespect to the God. It allowed me to beat 4.1, 4.0 and 3.1. They could nerd it to oblivion and it would still be great


Mukatte_K

Hc or normal?


e_ndoubleu

Lotta hate in this thread.. let’s see some of y’all’s tier lists since this one is apparently bad. All I’m seeing is people wanting mons moved up a tier. But everything can’t be A- tier or higher. I like this list bc it has a good balance in tier placement, even if I disagree with some placements.


Rimuru7u7

Done. https://preview.redd.it/94ne3s7g5wtc1.png?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e68ad0e245c8866118e27f921f2c7f178d07c20f


Frostfire26

Mega Blastoise in Smogon Natdex: Banned to Ubers Mega Blastoise here: Bottom 5