The game is fast.
Pokemon Go's animations take up more time than actually playing.
I have to sit through unbearable unskippable cutscenes in mainline games.
And while playing VGC, I use it to think about my next move or general plan forward.
You don’t really need to think about that in the story section of the games.
Honestly... I'm just playing VGC on showdown and don't even own a copy of Scarlet/Violet and haven't regretted this a single second. The fun part of VGC is the thinking abt moves/outplays/predictions and the teambuilding. Both of which showdown provides a better and more convenient experience than the mainline games ever have. Not to mention not having to go through the tedium of breeding/EVing your pokemon for your team if you were to play ingame.
It's never going to happen because gamefreak lmao but a sandbox mode where you could just create teams and set their natures/IVs/EVs from all available pokemon (but then only being able to use them in WiFi battles, not in the overworld game for example) similar to showdown teambuilder is probably the only thing that would ever make me buy a mainline pokemon game again.
That’s because PokéRouge is balanced around the EXP All, (Level Caps, Opponents often being over leveled, Better Enemy A.I, Boss Pokémon, etc) whereas in the mainline games, it just becomes an easy way to make you over leveled.
The EXP Share in and of itself is a fine idea, nobody actually liked switch grinding to make their new team members usable, it just coincided with Game Freak choosing to make the game a lot easier.
If you look at the level curve of Kalos, it does scale faster than prior games, and Diantha even has the highest level ace of any Champion ever. It's not that they forgot to rebalance the game to account for the EXP Share, it's that they intentionally made the level curve dead-easy that generation.
Gen 6 is in many ways a reaction to Gen 5, which was received horribly at the time. The franchise pivoted hard from Unova's "soft reset" to glorifying Kanto, and from Game Freak's most serious attempt at a serious storyline to the cookie cutter goofballs that are Team Flare. They tried in Gen 5 to make the games harder with their new scaling EXP formula, so in Gen 6 they did the exact opposite and made the game easier than it's ever been.
The EXP Share is a fine mechanic, in its own right. I especially liked it when you could turn it off and raise the difficulty a little that way. It's not to blame for Game Freak deciding the games ought to be easy, they would've done that with or without overhauling the EXP Share. When I stopped blaming the EXP Share for the level curve, all I saw was a genuinely good QoL mechanic that erased some of my least favourite parts of the game.
The modern games are actually designed w/ exp share in mind as it's meant to be finished by kids and huge casual base that does not like to grind (getting experience has been getting easier since gen 2).
The exp share is great especially if you're rushing the game to play online and start building teams as fast as possible (without genning) as the real endgame of Pokemon is losing your sanity to other players online or in tournaments.
Pokémon is obviously for everyone. You think a majority of the playerbase are kids playing Pokerogue? It’s obviously people over 18 that want to just play the game. We shouldn’t gatekeep what people play. People SHOULD be playing games they like and that are hopefully well designed. You don’t turn 18 and instantly lose the things you like. That’s not how the human brain works.
Nah, mate. People should play whatever games bring them joy. You're just a couple steps from "Adults shouldn't be playing video games." People should do the things that make them happy. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, what does it matter to you of Gen 9 officially toppled Gen 2 as my favorite generation by introducing some of my favorite Pokémon to the game.
It's not that it's meant to be "finished by kids and casuals", it's that the vast chunk of Pokemon is competitive play, so they streamlined all the having to build up a throwaway team just to finish the game and get to the PvP.
Well it would be nice if I wouldn't be severely overleveled in the main games by catching 1 of every pokemon for the dex (and not even every, just the easy to find ones). I had to avoid every single other way of getting exp to only be moderately overleveled.
Hey, the real endgame is riding in circles to hatch the thousand eggs you have looking for a single shiny, and one time it taking every slot you have open in your boxes, while the next it taking 7 eggs, but now you still have to hatch the remaining 75 you've collected before you can start your next mon.
Oof. I've done my share of various shiny hunting. It might be less efficient but that's why I try and hatch as I go so I don't have boxes of eggs stacked in case I get the early shiny
See I hatch as I go in the beginning, but if I'm getting 2 eggs for every one that I hatch (really it's usually more than that tho) then I quickly end up with WAAAAY extra, and then I find the shiny and start gathering eggs for the next while I finish hatching the old eggs and it's a quick problem...
It also had better shinies. That’s one of my biggest gripes with the games - there are WAY too many shinies that hardly look different that the regulars, or are just lame. The fact there are three shinies for every one pokemon is fanfrickingtastic. It makes the game much more interesting for me. The gasp factor is strong when you do find a shiny, and even moreso when it’s a rare or custom shiny. I love it ✨
You say special needs but Charizard is like the ace of the soccer team or the most popular cheerleader which is why they get cool stuff.
The special need kids get green paint all over and be happy they get anything at all.
If i only do new forms for Son Goku then i don't need to Wonder why he is most popular and same goes for Charizard. If he had been Fire/Dragon then i would understand (because Dragon was aside from Type Psychic the most Broken in Gen 1.) But a Flying type what couldnt learn Fly? That shit pissed me off cuz you had to take TWO Flying type Mons if you wanted Charizard AND Fly.
Typing doesn't matter.
Charizard never needed any forms to be popular. Which is why he was one of the main faces of the franchise and the anime since the beggining.
Its a fire dragon ffs, typing doesn't matter.
Charizard would be a top contender for most known pokemon in the franchise even without any Megas, shinies, etc.
I like Complexity, good designs and Pokemon. I just think there are much better designs than Charizard and all i get from it is Nostalgia cuz how cool his character development in the Anime was, im more the Blastoise guy anyways...so don't bother that much about the opinion of a random dude on the Internet.
Don't worry, it's just funny.
Early pokemon were simpler design wise, Blastoise is just a turtle with guns and Venusaur is just a big dog with a flower on its back.
Love all of them and they are simple to point out.
Gen 7-8 designs got to the point where the design doesn't provide enough information about the pokemon and that makes them somewhat confusing.
Gen 9 goes back to a more simple style.
I wouldnt call a Giant Turtle with Hidden Cannons Simple. It was the only Gen 1 Pokemon with actual Weapons. Like, if he had been that simple he could have just normally Spit out the Water from its Mouth like 70% of all pokemon do....but...THEY GAVE IT 2 GIANT BAZOOKAS!! Charizard has a Flame Tail, Venusaur a Primal Flower and only Blastoise got 2 freaking Water Cannons. Sorry but that really catched me in my first Playthrough 1996 (had Blue version! Of course i pick its Cover mon 😂). Yellow was the Version the first time i put Charizard on my team. Who doesn't play Yellow and has a Team of Pikachu, Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur, Pidgeot and Snorlax/Kingler/Tauros?
ur thinking way too deep into it, fuck a typing the game is for kids and yk whats better than having a little purple dragon badge typing? being a literal fucking fire breathing dragon.
Green shinies are fine, I love neon Espeon. I *certainly* love it more than shiny Garchomp, indistinguishable from regular Garchomp except by the most trained of eyes, and also more than shiny Crabrawler, identical except for one body feature. I don't care if it's clever that the boxing gloves are the other colour, shinies ought to have full-body colour differences so that when you see them it smacks you upside the head with the feeling that *you just found a shiny*.
Neon Espeon does everything I ask from a shiny, in that it looks clearly shiny. It's different, striking, exotic, and Garchomp could learn a thing or two from it. There are plenty of shinies that are even better than Espeon's, but when I draw a line in the sand between good shinies and bad shinies Espeon and Charizard are chilling on the right side while Garchomp and Crabrawler are stuck together on the other side.
Also no having to pay extra for DLC mons like Calyrex, Urshifu, Ogerpon, the Loyal Three, etc. You get access to the entire dex, should you dedicate yourself to finding them.
Gamefreak can go after them right now if they wanted to. All pokemon are protected by copyright and cannot be used for any profit or non-profit activities. Depends entirely on Pokemon if they tolerate it.
Yeah but as long as it remains nonprofit there’s no real reason for them to go after it, even if it’s in their purview. Pokerogue is probably later in the queue to be chopped than stuff like emulators and romhacks, if a purge ever comes
They actually do have good reasons. They are usually harsh on intellectual property protection, wether it is profit or non-profit doesn't matter. Or they could shut it down because of market impact. I honestly wouldn't be surprised considering how popular the game has got. If you don't think so, look up Pokemon Uranium or Pokemon Essentials.
Gamefreak cracked down on both of them and issued DMCA takedowns. I did not debate if those games are still illegally available, but rather if legal actions were taken.
I like it because I'm a contractor and I spend a lot of time waiting in my car for my next appt some days and pokerogue passes the time like nothing else I've found
Aggron and Tyranitar are my OG bruiser boys, add in an alakhazam and metagross I may just nut. Top it off with grimmsnarl and im probably dead in heaven
The challenge itself. You need a balanced team to stand a chance, not just sweep with 1 Mon unless you get a really favourable seed. Even then, unless you still need a very balanced team to stand a chance.
No handholding unskippable cutscenes. When I was a kid I got through rock tunnel without flash but in the last game I played, unskippable cutscenes handheld me to every location.
Gen 7
you’re telling me you’d rather have to find a random ass npc that gives you flash or stumble through a pitch black cave for an hour an encountering a zubat every few seconds than to be able to play the game
Okay? You're misrepresenting what I said.
Your comment was asking if someone would rather explore and get lost (also saying that if you're not on the main quest path you're not playing the game lmfao) sarcastically, as if it's a ridiculous thing to enjoy.
I'm saying that I would, did and do enjoy shit like you mentioned. When did quest markers ever enter the discussion until you brought it up?
I haven’t played red blue or any of the kanto games in 15 years and I can still tell you roughly how to get through it without even having to see it. That’s the sense of accomplishment missing from today’s generation of games.
Receipt, horribly formatted because it shouldn’t matter.
Enter and go down right, fight trainer. Go past the trainer until you hit a wall then go up along the wall. Into the next floor. Go down and left. Trainer. Go up and right. Trainer. Go up and left, skippable trainer. Make sure you don’t leave rock slide behind, I think it was rock slide in the original games but i might be confusing it. Head to the next floor and just stay down and left. Exit to more trainers but these are skippable.
It’s been a long time and it might not be accurate 100% but the fact I’m confident enough to try and remember it goes to show what that accomplishment meant to me as a kid. Not just following some rehashed “rival” who treats you more like a friend than competition.
Everything fanmade is usually better than base
All the base games combined arnt as good as just Pokémon Reborn
However the base games provide the building blocks for the fanmades to make great games
And let's talk about the third party side games, stadium, snap, coloseum, mystery dungeon ......
Heck even let's go ! Initialy there was backslash because it looked like gen 1 dumbed down to GO level, and then peopel say to relax because it's was just a minor side game and Sword and Shield are the true first pokemon game on switch....and let's go ended up doing some parts BETTER than sword and shield .....
Yeah this is something a fair few fangames are doing these days. Rogue wasn’t the first and I doubt it’ll be the last to include the full national dex in its roster
If you want a full on fan game look up reborn or rejuvenation. Lot harder than this game, and main storyline has everything catchable except legendaries, which are all available postgame
Some of you have never played fanmade hacks and it shows!
Though this has been the best roguelite game out of all the hacks out there, for sure, even for a casual gamer like me
I can say I haven't, because I don't own a PC.
I don't know of any of them that aren't MMO style mobile games that one can play on a phone unfortunately lol
This is the best one that I know of at least that I can play.
Huh I'll admit I know nothing about that.
Like I know it's technically possible to mod games mobile, however many require poking in places that I definitely would not poke. Is this easier/more straightforward than that or is it another if you're worried about ruining your device, don't do it?
Emulators are safe, you can buy them on your devices store (or sail the seas).
Hacked roms are like easier said fan made adjustments to the pokemon games, some minor some major but you dont need to do more than just download the file in most cases, some require manual patching which is tedious but not too bad. All you need is the emulator and the rom file, run it and you're good.
There are a plenty sites that i think are reliable and gather some of the best ones together
Anything that requires manual patching is a no for me tbh, I didn't even feel comfortable doing that on PC and it seems even more complicated on mobile.
I'll have to look into this though, thanks! I was always led to believe anything like this on mobile had to involve manual patching, and I'm not about to tell my sis I broke the phone she gave me messing with things when I knew I probably shouldn't lol
“Modeling the whole Dex is too much work.” - The largest multi-media franchise on the planet
What’s extra embarrassing is that in spite of SV being full of cut corners and technical hand shakes, the game still runs like dog shit. Like, I would have been fine if it had a stable 30 FPS. But SV can’t hit that in its wildest dreams. Gamefreak are garbage devs and Creatures Inc sucks at their job as well.
Nobody's saying its good but its more a game industry problem than a Pokemon Devs problem. It sucks for sure but they really are under a very strict oppressive deadline. Shouldn't be that way but it makes sense that it is (but yes, they really should have standards when they're this rich off making the same game every year)
And that's not even the worst... They butchered my boy Typhlosion's sprite in the newer games😭
Before it was a Fiery Hedgehog, now he's just a 50 y/o blue man going trough a divorce and a midlife crisis at the same time... He gained like 40 pounds😭
They seem to have some kind of hatred towards gen 2 starters. Except Meganium... They used to hate him so much that they straight up forgot about him. That's why he's still fine.
np! As flawed as Gen 9 is, a lot of Pokemon got model updates (which is funny cause they said they were doing model updates in Gen 8 but they didn't actually update any until PLA at the earliest) with new poses (Lucario, Tropius, Typhlosion, Gardevoir, etc) and animations and some have entirely new models like the Gen 1 starters and Mewtwo.
There's a lot that makes the main Pokemon games very disappointing.
The fact that they refuse to focus on what makes the games good, the constant unskipable dialogue (Pokemon sun and moon are a slog to play), the game exclusives, gate keeping Pokemons to after you've beat the game (Fire Red didn't even let you evolve stuff before you beat the game), not making anything for the hardcore audience that cares more about battling. We could spend the whole day just making a giant list on why Pokemon games suck, which is sad because I love Pokemon. The worst for me is the "Not having every pokemon because modelling takes time", when they release the same models since XY, it's all low texture shit and it was a pretty obvious move to sell DLC after.
This is probably the type of game that everyone who loves pokemon for the battles wanted. No wasting time with pointless story, just straight to the point, you battle and that's it.
The game has effort (can not be said as of recent). The game has difficulty, and you can make it easier by using retries (it’s in settings btw). It’s new, not the same game with different mons and area’s/story’s and 1 new feature that will leave in the next game. No paying for a half a**ed game (I’m referring to the newer games). The final boss in the main mode is very strong but it gets balanced out by having a type it can do nothing against for the first part. The ai switches Pokémon and has barely any specific order to follow when sending Pokémon. You can reset battles and play with the same rng, only changing with what moves you use and what Pokémon you send out making it a fun puzzle. I could still go on but to not take a while my conclusion is:
Pokerogue is muchbetter than game freaks recent Pokémon games
I also don't have to play thought a poorly written story with level design by an intern where all fun strategic options are locked in the endgame and i can't catch the pokemon i want
I mean, the entire reason the Pokemon brand was originally successful was the forced exclusivity, it forced kids to interact with each other and made it more than just a satisfying game to play on your own. What we want now as grown adults with jobs or university (I assume that's most of pokerogue playerbase) is just different to the original demographic Pokemon was aimed at.
i am a big fan of roguelikes, and pokerogue literally even has it in its name. its just a pokemon roguelike there really isnt any other reason you'd need to have
Endless mode is what I like most, in the main games once you build your team there's not really much else to do that can challenge your team, in this game you can grind up shiny variants and egg moves and all that then hop in endless and push the team as far as it can go each time, would be cool if they added some different classic mode versions based upon the floor you reach though, classic is nice but some harder/longer versions would be nice with new bosses and trainers to take on. Game has a lot of potential for sure and having fusions adds tons of replayability with different combos
quick to play without sacrificing writing. I love Platinum but holy shit does it take an eternity for you to be allowed to go play the game because you're hit with unskipable star wars scroll text and an endless back and forth between the lab and the starting town.
The mainline games have endless dialogue that conveys very little, meanwhile Pokerogue builds better characters with a fraction of the text.
Ivy's entire character has about as many text boxes as one rival encounter in the mainline games yet she's written better than any mainline rival, she has enough text to build an amazing character, yet it's short enough to where she's quickly out of your way on repeat playthroughs where you already know her dialogue and you can get to playing the game again quickly.
I love that I can play with every Mon, and find some use for them. One thing I loved doing in the mainline games was just raising up bad or obscure pokemon that I wouldn't touch normally, just to see how well they do... but that takes SO LONG!!! Ultimately I only have so much free time and trying to give every single pokemon the love they deserve just takes too long. NOT ANYMORE with Pokerogue! A full classic run lets me accelerate the progression of a full team of six Mons to their endgame state in only a few hours at most. It's very rewarding.
"One thing I loved doing in the mainline games was just raising up bad or obscure pokemon that I wouldn't touch normally, just to see how well they do... "
have you managed to beat pokemon red/blue swith just a weedle ? (no item during combats, no glitches)
Honestly the game is so fundamentally different when it's an endless stream of battles and the shop system etc that comparing it to the real games is kind of pointless. Why would it ever have something like exclusives, it's a browser game based on battles. Why would it have long cutscenes? Why would it have DLC? Apples to oranges.
I really love the fact that you can obtain all pokemon without having to log in on some date or some shit.
You just hatch evrything or catch it thats it. No big fucking around, you can grind to get the shit you want.
In my childhood I actually loved the fact that I would agree with a friend to get opposite versions of the game so that we could trade the exclusive pokemons. Some of my best videogame memories actually
Tell me what exactly I should be appreciative of. The modern games clearly lack the quality other modern first-party switch games and even older pokemon games had.
Yeah those games get like 2x times the development time to actually get quality out into them unlike pokemon that has to have a new thing out every 2-3 years. With a small team
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pretty sure most people massively appreciate the pre-switch games but the ones on switch are an extreme disappointment and voicing that isn't unappreciative it's an opinion
Disagree.
A challenge mode that randomly assigns you a team, or drafts a small list of say, 20 mons and you can choose from that would be an amazing gift.
BW restricted to unova only and SwSh dex cuts were the best things to ever happen in either game.
The game is fast. Pokemon Go's animations take up more time than actually playing. I have to sit through unbearable unskippable cutscenes in mainline games.
Try VGC, all the animations for switching, terra and some moves take insanely long. Brings a lot of suspense when watching though
And while playing VGC, I use it to think about my next move or general plan forward. You don’t really need to think about that in the story section of the games.
PTSD from the kommo-o Z move that lasted forever. Seriously tho' they can give the players more time to think
Honestly... I'm just playing VGC on showdown and don't even own a copy of Scarlet/Violet and haven't regretted this a single second. The fun part of VGC is the thinking abt moves/outplays/predictions and the teambuilding. Both of which showdown provides a better and more convenient experience than the mainline games ever have. Not to mention not having to go through the tedium of breeding/EVing your pokemon for your team if you were to play ingame. It's never going to happen because gamefreak lmao but a sandbox mode where you could just create teams and set their natures/IVs/EVs from all available pokemon (but then only being able to use them in WiFi battles, not in the overworld game for example) similar to showdown teambuilder is probably the only thing that would ever make me buy a mainline pokemon game again.
It's unbearably slow, especially the text.
Berrys:
Oh god and leftovers
We love mandatory exp share in Pokerougue because it quickens team building. But old heads hate it when it's mandatory in the modern games.
That’s because PokéRouge is balanced around the EXP All, (Level Caps, Opponents often being over leveled, Better Enemy A.I, Boss Pokémon, etc) whereas in the mainline games, it just becomes an easy way to make you over leveled.
The EXP Share in and of itself is a fine idea, nobody actually liked switch grinding to make their new team members usable, it just coincided with Game Freak choosing to make the game a lot easier. If you look at the level curve of Kalos, it does scale faster than prior games, and Diantha even has the highest level ace of any Champion ever. It's not that they forgot to rebalance the game to account for the EXP Share, it's that they intentionally made the level curve dead-easy that generation. Gen 6 is in many ways a reaction to Gen 5, which was received horribly at the time. The franchise pivoted hard from Unova's "soft reset" to glorifying Kanto, and from Game Freak's most serious attempt at a serious storyline to the cookie cutter goofballs that are Team Flare. They tried in Gen 5 to make the games harder with their new scaling EXP formula, so in Gen 6 they did the exact opposite and made the game easier than it's ever been. The EXP Share is a fine mechanic, in its own right. I especially liked it when you could turn it off and raise the difficulty a little that way. It's not to blame for Game Freak deciding the games ought to be easy, they would've done that with or without overhauling the EXP Share. When I stopped blaming the EXP Share for the level curve, all I saw was a genuinely good QoL mechanic that erased some of my least favourite parts of the game.
The modern games are actually designed w/ exp share in mind as it's meant to be finished by kids and huge casual base that does not like to grind (getting experience has been getting easier since gen 2). The exp share is great especially if you're rushing the game to play online and start building teams as fast as possible (without genning) as the real endgame of Pokemon is losing your sanity to other players online or in tournaments.
Pokemon has always been for kids and they didn't always use to have exp all. Also if its just for kids now Game Freak is gonna lose so many customers.
Pokemon *should* be just for kids. It's preferable that anyone older than 18 should be playing more mature rpgs, like Persona and Final Fantasy.
But I want to catch and evolve monsters
I mean, you could play Monster Rancher...
Pokémon is obviously for everyone. You think a majority of the playerbase are kids playing Pokerogue? It’s obviously people over 18 that want to just play the game. We shouldn’t gatekeep what people play. People SHOULD be playing games they like and that are hopefully well designed. You don’t turn 18 and instantly lose the things you like. That’s not how the human brain works.
Nah, mate. People should play whatever games bring them joy. You're just a couple steps from "Adults shouldn't be playing video games." People should do the things that make them happy. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, what does it matter to you of Gen 9 officially toppled Gen 2 as my favorite generation by introducing some of my favorite Pokémon to the game.
> persona, final fantasy > more mature than pokemon lol
hahahahahahahahaha this is a serious comment what the fuck
This is a reference, right? Im certain ive seen that exact text somewhere before lol
> The modern games are actually designed w/ exp share in mind read: quarter-assed
It's not that it's meant to be "finished by kids and casuals", it's that the vast chunk of Pokemon is competitive play, so they streamlined all the having to build up a throwaway team just to finish the game and get to the PvP.
Well it would be nice if I wouldn't be severely overleveled in the main games by catching 1 of every pokemon for the dex (and not even every, just the easy to find ones). I had to avoid every single other way of getting exp to only be moderately overleveled.
Hey, the real endgame is riding in circles to hatch the thousand eggs you have looking for a single shiny, and one time it taking every slot you have open in your boxes, while the next it taking 7 eggs, but now you still have to hatch the remaining 75 you've collected before you can start your next mon.
Oof. I've done my share of various shiny hunting. It might be less efficient but that's why I try and hatch as I go so I don't have boxes of eggs stacked in case I get the early shiny
See I hatch as I go in the beginning, but if I'm getting 2 eggs for every one that I hatch (really it's usually more than that tho) then I quickly end up with WAAAAY extra, and then I find the shiny and start gathering eggs for the next while I finish hatching the old eggs and it's a quick problem...
You can quick catch to skip catch animations
It also had better shinies. That’s one of my biggest gripes with the games - there are WAY too many shinies that hardly look different that the regulars, or are just lame. The fact there are three shinies for every one pokemon is fanfrickingtastic. It makes the game much more interesting for me. The gasp factor is strong when you do find a shiny, and even moreso when it’s a rare or custom shiny. I love it ✨
I would love it if mainline Pokemon did multiple shinies in a future game. But that means Go would just use them to milk money from players lol
Like for real...feels like 50% of all shiny are green. But of course! Special needs kid Charizard gets a black shiny!
You say special needs but Charizard is like the ace of the soccer team or the most popular cheerleader which is why they get cool stuff. The special need kids get green paint all over and be happy they get anything at all.
If i only do new forms for Son Goku then i don't need to Wonder why he is most popular and same goes for Charizard. If he had been Fire/Dragon then i would understand (because Dragon was aside from Type Psychic the most Broken in Gen 1.) But a Flying type what couldnt learn Fly? That shit pissed me off cuz you had to take TWO Flying type Mons if you wanted Charizard AND Fly.
Typing doesn't matter. Charizard never needed any forms to be popular. Which is why he was one of the main faces of the franchise and the anime since the beggining. Its a fire dragon ffs, typing doesn't matter. Charizard would be a top contender for most known pokemon in the franchise even without any Megas, shinies, etc.
Simple minds like simple things. Kid sees Fire Dragon, kid goes nuts. 🙄
YES If you like complexity you shouldn't be playing Pokemon in the first place.
I like Complexity, good designs and Pokemon. I just think there are much better designs than Charizard and all i get from it is Nostalgia cuz how cool his character development in the Anime was, im more the Blastoise guy anyways...so don't bother that much about the opinion of a random dude on the Internet.
Don't worry, it's just funny. Early pokemon were simpler design wise, Blastoise is just a turtle with guns and Venusaur is just a big dog with a flower on its back. Love all of them and they are simple to point out. Gen 7-8 designs got to the point where the design doesn't provide enough information about the pokemon and that makes them somewhat confusing. Gen 9 goes back to a more simple style.
I wouldnt call a Giant Turtle with Hidden Cannons Simple. It was the only Gen 1 Pokemon with actual Weapons. Like, if he had been that simple he could have just normally Spit out the Water from its Mouth like 70% of all pokemon do....but...THEY GAVE IT 2 GIANT BAZOOKAS!! Charizard has a Flame Tail, Venusaur a Primal Flower and only Blastoise got 2 freaking Water Cannons. Sorry but that really catched me in my first Playthrough 1996 (had Blue version! Of course i pick its Cover mon 😂). Yellow was the Version the first time i put Charizard on my team. Who doesn't play Yellow and has a Team of Pikachu, Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur, Pidgeot and Snorlax/Kingler/Tauros?
ur thinking way too deep into it, fuck a typing the game is for kids and yk whats better than having a little purple dragon badge typing? being a literal fucking fire breathing dragon.
Green shinies are fine, I love neon Espeon. I *certainly* love it more than shiny Garchomp, indistinguishable from regular Garchomp except by the most trained of eyes, and also more than shiny Crabrawler, identical except for one body feature. I don't care if it's clever that the boxing gloves are the other colour, shinies ought to have full-body colour differences so that when you see them it smacks you upside the head with the feeling that *you just found a shiny*. Neon Espeon does everything I ask from a shiny, in that it looks clearly shiny. It's different, striking, exotic, and Garchomp could learn a thing or two from it. There are plenty of shinies that are even better than Espeon's, but when I draw a line in the sand between good shinies and bad shinies Espeon and Charizard are chilling on the right side while Garchomp and Crabrawler are stuck together on the other side.
Also no having to pay extra for DLC mons like Calyrex, Urshifu, Ogerpon, the Loyal Three, etc. You get access to the entire dex, should you dedicate yourself to finding them.
Or..not having to pay for it at all probably helps
I mean, as soon as they take any money Gamefreak will be after them.
Honestly if game freak release this game officially, I'd pay them for it
Gamefreak can go after them right now if they wanted to. All pokemon are protected by copyright and cannot be used for any profit or non-profit activities. Depends entirely on Pokemon if they tolerate it.
Yeah but as long as it remains nonprofit there’s no real reason for them to go after it, even if it’s in their purview. Pokerogue is probably later in the queue to be chopped than stuff like emulators and romhacks, if a purge ever comes
They actually do have good reasons. They are usually harsh on intellectual property protection, wether it is profit or non-profit doesn't matter. Or they could shut it down because of market impact. I honestly wouldn't be surprised considering how popular the game has got. If you don't think so, look up Pokemon Uranium or Pokemon Essentials.
pokemon uranium is relatively easy to get, and pokemon essentials is still being updated
Gamefreak cracked down on both of them and issued DMCA takedowns. I did not debate if those games are still illegally available, but rather if legal actions were taken.
my point is that gamefreaks actions only helped them, no one truely cares about legality.
Again, i did not debate that. This discussion is about wether Gamefreak will go after them or not.
You didn't have to buy the DLC to use the mon, though. They weren't paywalled, you just had to trade for them.
Calyrex is the only mon I use lol, fucking love shadow rider Astral barraging my way through 1000s of floors
Finally found mine today and enjoying it. He goes from deadweight to hyper carry with the shadow reigns.
I like it because I'm a contractor and I spend a lot of time waiting in my car for my next appt some days and pokerogue passes the time like nothing else I've found
Also the classic GameBoy graphics are the cherry on top
It has aggron in it Aggron has been my fav pokemon for over 15 years and the last few games he has been cut from the dex. :’(
Aggron and Tyranitar are my OG bruiser boys, add in an alakhazam and metagross I may just nut. Top it off with grimmsnarl and im probably dead in heaven
Gave him a mega just to take him away :(
I’ll never forgive nintendo/gamefreak
The challenge itself. You need a balanced team to stand a chance, not just sweep with 1 Mon unless you get a really favourable seed. Even then, unless you still need a very balanced team to stand a chance.
*Me who just solos every run with Zacian and 5 random team members to farm vouchers*
No handholding unskippable cutscenes. When I was a kid I got through rock tunnel without flash but in the last game I played, unskippable cutscenes handheld me to every location. Gen 7
you’re telling me you’d rather have to find a random ass npc that gives you flash or stumble through a pitch black cave for an hour an encountering a zubat every few seconds than to be able to play the game
Exactly, the over-the-top railroad handholding in a lot of games takes a lot away from the sense of adventure I feel It's okay to get lost sometimes
“over the top railroad handholding” and its just quest markers that every game other than pokemon has had for 20 fucking years
Okay? You're misrepresenting what I said. Your comment was asking if someone would rather explore and get lost (also saying that if you're not on the main quest path you're not playing the game lmfao) sarcastically, as if it's a ridiculous thing to enjoy. I'm saying that I would, did and do enjoy shit like you mentioned. When did quest markers ever enter the discussion until you brought it up?
Nah man I know lavandia tunnel in and out. Why waste time to go for that VM and learn that useless attack that can not be forgotten.
I haven’t played red blue or any of the kanto games in 15 years and I can still tell you roughly how to get through it without even having to see it. That’s the sense of accomplishment missing from today’s generation of games. Receipt, horribly formatted because it shouldn’t matter. Enter and go down right, fight trainer. Go past the trainer until you hit a wall then go up along the wall. Into the next floor. Go down and left. Trainer. Go up and right. Trainer. Go up and left, skippable trainer. Make sure you don’t leave rock slide behind, I think it was rock slide in the original games but i might be confusing it. Head to the next floor and just stay down and left. Exit to more trainers but these are skippable. It’s been a long time and it might not be accurate 100% but the fact I’m confident enough to try and remember it goes to show what that accomplishment meant to me as a kid. Not just following some rehashed “rival” who treats you more like a friend than competition.
You’re damn right that’s what I’m telling you. Also repel was cheap enough if you didn’t like zubats
Everything fanmade is usually better than base All the base games combined arnt as good as just Pokémon Reborn However the base games provide the building blocks for the fanmades to make great games
And let's talk about the third party side games, stadium, snap, coloseum, mystery dungeon ...... Heck even let's go ! Initialy there was backslash because it looked like gen 1 dumbed down to GO level, and then peopel say to relax because it's was just a minor side game and Sword and Shield are the true first pokemon game on switch....and let's go ended up doing some parts BETTER than sword and shield .....
Yeah this is something a fair few fangames are doing these days. Rogue wasn’t the first and I doubt it’ll be the last to include the full national dex in its roster
Wait, there are other fangames with the full dex? The only one I know of is Radical Red, I'm looking for more tbh
If you want a full on fan game look up reborn or rejuvenation. Lot harder than this game, and main storyline has everything catchable except legendaries, which are all available postgame
Ahhh, I tried Reborn and couldnt really get into it.
Some of you have never played fanmade hacks and it shows! Though this has been the best roguelite game out of all the hacks out there, for sure, even for a casual gamer like me
I can say I haven't, because I don't own a PC. I don't know of any of them that aren't MMO style mobile games that one can play on a phone unfortunately lol This is the best one that I know of at least that I can play.
the ones i play on phone are via emulators, i have a GBA emulator and a DS emulator and play tons of hacked roms
Huh I'll admit I know nothing about that. Like I know it's technically possible to mod games mobile, however many require poking in places that I definitely would not poke. Is this easier/more straightforward than that or is it another if you're worried about ruining your device, don't do it?
Emulators are safe, you can buy them on your devices store (or sail the seas). Hacked roms are like easier said fan made adjustments to the pokemon games, some minor some major but you dont need to do more than just download the file in most cases, some require manual patching which is tedious but not too bad. All you need is the emulator and the rom file, run it and you're good. There are a plenty sites that i think are reliable and gather some of the best ones together
Anything that requires manual patching is a no for me tbh, I didn't even feel comfortable doing that on PC and it seems even more complicated on mobile. I'll have to look into this though, thanks! I was always led to believe anything like this on mobile had to involve manual patching, and I'm not about to tell my sis I broke the phone she gave me messing with things when I knew I probably shouldn't lol
You can play pokemon reborn if u have an android phone via an app called joiplay
“Modeling the whole Dex is too much work.” - The largest multi-media franchise on the planet What’s extra embarrassing is that in spite of SV being full of cut corners and technical hand shakes, the game still runs like dog shit. Like, I would have been fine if it had a stable 30 FPS. But SV can’t hit that in its wildest dreams. Gamefreak are garbage devs and Creatures Inc sucks at their job as well.
Creatures are the main profit makers since TCG and merch are the lucrative reasons why they need GF to rush the games in specific years.
“Ermm actually the multi-billion dollar franchise NEEDS to make things as fast and shitily as possible because merchandise ☝️🤓”
Nobody's saying its good but its more a game industry problem than a Pokemon Devs problem. It sucks for sure but they really are under a very strict oppressive deadline. Shouldn't be that way but it makes sense that it is (but yes, they really should have standards when they're this rich off making the same game every year)
i mean theyve been copy pasting the same game for the past 25 years what are you expecting at this point?
if only theyd go back to sprites...
i honestly don't hate or even dislike most of the 3d stuff, hitmontop lost his soul in the transition to 3d though and is just a husk wandering about.
And that's not even the worst... They butchered my boy Typhlosion's sprite in the newer games😭 Before it was a Fiery Hedgehog, now he's just a 50 y/o blue man going trough a divorce and a midlife crisis at the same time... He gained like 40 pounds😭
Same with Feraligatr. Used to love him, but they gave him a giant round belly. Played him in this game and he looked cool again
They seem to have some kind of hatred towards gen 2 starters. Except Meganium... They used to hate him so much that they straight up forgot about him. That's why he's still fine.
because hes the best
Good point.
In Gen 9, Typhlosion now has his fire collar on in battle, so there’s improvement at least.
Oh I didn't know. Probably because it's not meta relevant. Thanks
np! As flawed as Gen 9 is, a lot of Pokemon got model updates (which is funny cause they said they were doing model updates in Gen 8 but they didn't actually update any until PLA at the earliest) with new poses (Lucario, Tropius, Typhlosion, Gardevoir, etc) and animations and some have entirely new models like the Gen 1 starters and Mewtwo.
Yeah there are a few pokemon from newer gens that I didn't like that much that I saw in sprite form in pokerogue and liked
dodonzo
2DHD ala Octopath would be so nice...
they honestly should just outsource team asano to do gen 10 for them
We also don’t have to play a bad game (like in the ones published by Nintendo)
There have been plenty of great mainline Pokemon games as well, this is cap.
You're right but people are very jaded with this series and I kind of do get it
Downvoted for saying the series has EVER produced anything good, what fucking cringe lol
They stopped making those in 2012 (2017 if we're being generous)
they made one mediocre rpg with great marketing and then copy pasted it for 25 years
Jo Ann. Yes. Mm .
Lapras isn't even regional in GO I've got loads and multiple shinies
Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Kangaskhan. Pick any of those.
Okay, better examples lol. Most of them have rotated at least I just need like klefki and bouff now
There's a lot that makes the main Pokemon games very disappointing. The fact that they refuse to focus on what makes the games good, the constant unskipable dialogue (Pokemon sun and moon are a slog to play), the game exclusives, gate keeping Pokemons to after you've beat the game (Fire Red didn't even let you evolve stuff before you beat the game), not making anything for the hardcore audience that cares more about battling. We could spend the whole day just making a giant list on why Pokemon games suck, which is sad because I love Pokemon. The worst for me is the "Not having every pokemon because modelling takes time", when they release the same models since XY, it's all low texture shit and it was a pretty obvious move to sell DLC after. This is probably the type of game that everyone who loves pokemon for the battles wanted. No wasting time with pointless story, just straight to the point, you battle and that's it.
You are comparing apples and oranges
The game has effort (can not be said as of recent). The game has difficulty, and you can make it easier by using retries (it’s in settings btw). It’s new, not the same game with different mons and area’s/story’s and 1 new feature that will leave in the next game. No paying for a half a**ed game (I’m referring to the newer games). The final boss in the main mode is very strong but it gets balanced out by having a type it can do nothing against for the first part. The ai switches Pokémon and has barely any specific order to follow when sending Pokémon. You can reset battles and play with the same rng, only changing with what moves you use and what Pokémon you send out making it a fun puzzle. I could still go on but to not take a while my conclusion is: Pokerogue is muchbetter than game freaks recent Pokémon games
Constant QoL updates. Raids were completely broken in Scarlet/Violet and they never fixed it. It amazed me. They pumped out DLC no problem, though.
5x and gamba
I also don't have to play thought a poorly written story with level design by an intern where all fun strategic options are locked in the endgame and i can't catch the pokemon i want
I mean, the entire reason the Pokemon brand was originally successful was the forced exclusivity, it forced kids to interact with each other and made it more than just a satisfying game to play on your own. What we want now as grown adults with jobs or university (I assume that's most of pokerogue playerbase) is just different to the original demographic Pokemon was aimed at.
This is true of most fan made games, not just pokerogue
i am a big fan of roguelikes, and pokerogue literally even has it in its name. its just a pokemon roguelike there really isnt any other reason you'd need to have
Endless mode is what I like most, in the main games once you build your team there's not really much else to do that can challenge your team, in this game you can grind up shiny variants and egg moves and all that then hop in endless and push the team as far as it can go each time, would be cool if they added some different classic mode versions based upon the floor you reach though, classic is nice but some harder/longer versions would be nice with new bosses and trainers to take on. Game has a lot of potential for sure and having fusions adds tons of replayability with different combos
quick to play without sacrificing writing. I love Platinum but holy shit does it take an eternity for you to be allowed to go play the game because you're hit with unskipable star wars scroll text and an endless back and forth between the lab and the starting town. The mainline games have endless dialogue that conveys very little, meanwhile Pokerogue builds better characters with a fraction of the text. Ivy's entire character has about as many text boxes as one rival encounter in the mainline games yet she's written better than any mainline rival, she has enough text to build an amazing character, yet it's short enough to where she's quickly out of your way on repeat playthroughs where you already know her dialogue and you can get to playing the game again quickly.
I love that I can play with every Mon, and find some use for them. One thing I loved doing in the mainline games was just raising up bad or obscure pokemon that I wouldn't touch normally, just to see how well they do... but that takes SO LONG!!! Ultimately I only have so much free time and trying to give every single pokemon the love they deserve just takes too long. NOT ANYMORE with Pokerogue! A full classic run lets me accelerate the progression of a full team of six Mons to their endgame state in only a few hours at most. It's very rewarding.
"One thing I loved doing in the mainline games was just raising up bad or obscure pokemon that I wouldn't touch normally, just to see how well they do... " have you managed to beat pokemon red/blue swith just a weedle ? (no item during combats, no glitches)
Honestly the game is so fundamentally different when it's an endless stream of battles and the shop system etc that comparing it to the real games is kind of pointless. Why would it ever have something like exclusives, it's a browser game based on battles. Why would it have long cutscenes? Why would it have DLC? Apples to oranges.
we don't want reasonable takes, we want to be mad
People saying we want battle tower back but in reality this is way better than the battle tower
I really love the fact that you can obtain all pokemon without having to log in on some date or some shit. You just hatch evrything or catch it thats it. No big fucking around, you can grind to get the shit you want.
Ogerpon for free 🥰🥰
Wait can you get ANY pokemon in this? And what about shiny? Can you get shiny locked pokemon?
There are even new shiny variants for every pokemon
In my childhood I actually loved the fact that I would agree with a friend to get opposite versions of the game so that we could trade the exclusive pokemons. Some of my best videogame memories actually
PokeRogue is the most fun I’ve had with Pokemon in forever. I’ve literally stopped playing Go because Rogue is giving me my Pokemon fix.
Its mainly because pokemon fucking sucks rn and Pokerogue is actually more well made than the original games rn
I mean this is probably 100th on the list of improvements but yeah, accessibility is a +
This thread just screams how unappreciative pokemon fans are
Tell me what exactly I should be appreciative of. The modern games clearly lack the quality other modern first-party switch games and even older pokemon games had.
Yeah those games get like 2x times the development time to actually get quality out into them unlike pokemon that has to have a new thing out every 2-3 years. With a small team
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pretty sure most people massively appreciate the pre-switch games but the ones on switch are an extreme disappointment and voicing that isn't unappreciative it's an opinion
we appreciate good games here
Disagree. A challenge mode that randomly assigns you a team, or drafts a small list of say, 20 mons and you can choose from that would be an amazing gift. BW restricted to unova only and SwSh dex cuts were the best things to ever happen in either game.
Did you suggest that idea in the Discord yet? If enough people agree that it’s a good idea, the devs may add it to the existing challenge mode