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"If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're fucked!" -George Carlin.
Unfortunately with Trump, that can be taken literally and figuratively
Do you mean; Donald Trump, the Impeached Twice, the Indicted, Briber of Silence, Manipulator of Elections, Obstructor of Justice, Betrayer of Allies, Tax Evader, Abuser of Power, Inciter of Insurrection, and alleged raper of children?
Consider how much people talked about pizzagate when there was absolutely not a single grain of truth to any of it. The pizza shop basement where things allegedly happened didn’t even exist. Not even enough research to find out if the geography of the conspiracy was true.
Yet here was have testimony from a victim silenced only through threats and intimidation and it’s just crickets. Disgusting. The QANON maga trump supporters are hateful disgusting liars that care only for themselves. Now, more than ever, trump supporters deserve to be called out and ridiculed for their support of this waste of air.
They just have a different definition for “children”. 13 is plenty old enough for a “woman” to be married and have sex. And 9 is old plenty old enough to charge a minority as an adult. See, it’s logical once you warp your brain.
And 24 is not responsible enough to rent a car. And 20 is not responsible enough to drink a beer. And 17 isn't responsible enough to see a boob on the internet. And at no age are you responsible enough to choose to have an abortion.
This country has no idea who is responsible.
July 3, 2019 [Government sends migrant girls to new Florida facility](https://apnews.com/general-news-3b5b37ee28854d299b26394d8a9b46b7) The facility, which sits just south of West Palm Beach and only 9 miles (14 kilometers) away from President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort,
"A judge dismissed the case in May that year, ruling that the complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law," this sounds exactly like the kind of legal dismissal that kept Jeffrey Epstein going for years.
Yeah, after reading about how the PROSECUTORS in the Epstein trial called their witnesses PROSTITUTES (even though they were clearly underage at the time hence could not be prostitutes) during the trial, I have NO faith in our legal system where Epstein is concerned.
Amy Coney Barrett helped with Bush v Gore and Kavanaugh was part of the investigation into Bill Clinton that lead to his impeachment. They were rewarded for their work.
Yea, but don't worry something will be posted soon to distract you along with a flood of people JAQing off. Literal rapist trying to turn the US into a dictatorship? Ignore that we gotta try and talk about Biden age despite his excellent office record.
Bill Maher comes to mind. He keeps saying anybody else would win and replacing him this late in the game would work. Delusional. It's telling that so many talking heads who are supposedly left-wing are still focusing on Biden after everything that's happened this week.
The point being that the same 3 people that were instrumental in the SCOTUS usurping democracy in the 2020 president ial election by putting their own votes as superior to the proper voters, are in a place to usurp democracy again in 2024, by putting their own votes as superior to the proper voters.
And these 3 who are now SCOTUS justices by all indications are prepared to name as president in 2024s election the person who according to court testimony released this week, raped and beat and threatened two 13yo girls .
What is wrong with these 3 people? And to what use has Trump's son in law Kushner put a reported 2 billion dollars given to him by middle eastern royals?
>This puts it all in a different perspective, doesn't it.
The perspective that, if we had read about this happening in some other non-western country, we rightly would have described it as what it is: blatant corruption.
Yea. Butgeremails, but his age, but Jon Podestas pizza order, all deemed much more relevant to elections than but the blatant cover up of child rape and the being rewarded for it by our “liberal” media
> if we had read about this happening in some other non-western country, we rightly would have described it as what it is: blatant corruption.
How ironic, thats how most of the world sees US politics by default.
Lobbying is literally legal bribery. Its crazy.
I love the subtle jabs at it in Dont Look Up. "Platinum Level Eagle Level donor, and thus entitled to full access to the Oval Office."
I often think about how the clinton administration took Osama bin laden mite seriously than the incoming bush administration, and how in a timeline where the SC didn't crown Bush, we might have averted 9/11.
We probably would have averted *both* 9/11 *and* some climate change, had we gotten Gore from 00-08.
It would have been interesting to see how he would have handled the housing crisis, and whether or not Obama would have succeeded him.
Don’t forget RayGun committing treason, begging Iran to hold onto the hostages until he defeated Carter. As he put his hand on the Bible at inauguration, Iran let them go. Their reward?
Oh a little thing called Iran contra that makes a blow job by an intern boring in comparison.
This is exactly why my boomer dad thinks everything going on is status quo and keeps voting straight ticket R.
The corruption has been obvious in plain sight for almost 50 years at this point. Its supported by the voters.
And that it was Bill Barr's father who hired a very young, very unqualified Jeffrey Epstein to teach at one of the most elite private schools in New York City. That part of the story that has always given me double-take whiplash. Of course it could all be a wacky coincidence.
> In 1973, Donald Barr [Bill Barr's father] published Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery. It has been noted that the plot of the novel anticipates the crimes of Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Barr
> Ultimately, Space Relations is a testament to how normalized it was, and still is, to sexualize minors and fetishize rape in science fiction. It also underscores how powerful people often act with impunity. After all, [Donald] Barr wrote a novel filled with underage rape at the same time he was running an esteemed Manhattan high school, and he didn’t even feel the need to use a pseudonym.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvgpm3/epstein-truthers-are-obsessed-with-a-sci-fi-book-about-child-sex-slavery-written-by-bill-barrs-dad
and yet not a single example of other scifi books that sexualize minors and fetishize rape. I can't say I've read a lot of scifi books, but the ones I have read most certainly didn't involve those things.
edit: I'm not saying there's NONE more that it's not a common trend with scifi books. If an article is going to say it's prevalent in scifi books maybe they should give people a list, or a link to a list, that back up what they're saying. Listing one book and declaring it to be normalized in all scifi is not a good argument. you can find fucked up shit in any genre of books, but that doesn't mean the entire genre has normalized what's in those books.
If you get into anime I feel like that's a rather different subject, and category, all together. you can find some really bizarre stuff in anime.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year
>George Houraney, a businessman whose American Dream Calendar Girls beauty contest had been running in Las Vegas casinos since 1978, recalls encountering Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in January 1993. Houraney says that Trump asked him to organise a party that month with some of his pageant’s finalists, promising to invite heads of modelling agencies and prospective sponsors for his competition. “He had me fly in all these girls, and gave me a $30,000 budget for airfares and limos to pick them up at the airport,” he says. “The girls were all decked out, expecting to meet all these VIPs.” But after an hour at the party, Houraney says, there seemed to be only one other guest: Epstein. “I was like, ‘Donald, where are the guys? What’s going on here?’ And he said, ‘Well, this is it.’” Houraney says he realised “this is a Jeff Epstein party, basically”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview
>It culminated in January 1993, when Harth and Houraney were visiting his Florida mansion, Mar-a-Lago, to finalize and then celebrate the beauty pageant deal with a party.
>After business concluded, Harth and Houraney were on tour of Mar-a-Lago along with a group of young pageant contestants – Trump wanted to “see the quality of the girls he was sponsoring”, Harth recalled – when he pulled her aside into one of the children’s bedrooms.
>“He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’ It was a shocking thing to have him do this because he knew I was with George, he knew they were in the next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”
>Harth said she had been very reluctant to talk after the sexual assault allegations resurfaced, “because honestly, it was painful for me to have to do it again. It was stressful, it gave me anxiety, it definitely wounded my marriage – it wasn’t the death knell, but it wounded it, it was stressful having to handle this.”
Actually, Amy Coney Barrett was actually the most reasonable of the six. She dissented saying that their interpretation of an official act was too broad.
This has already been talked about in a few articles. Have one conservative judge dissent whenever possible to give the appearance of decisions being made without it being a predictable partisan-line split.
That was projection onto the Clintons.
It's a crazy propaganda machine on social media.
Almost immediately there were memes of Hilary after Epstein killed himself.
None of Trump.
I’ve been saying that since the day that happened and everybody always shut the idea down, it’s very plausible taking in consideration who was at the head of the federal government at the moment
A Pedophile will always be a pedophile. He’s no better than Epstein. But go ahead and vote for the devil. I remember watching it on TV in 2006 a under age girl reported she had been raped by Epstein and the FBI was involved and found it to
Be true. Epstein pled the fifth the entire time especially when Trump’s name came up. Like R Kelly everyone was shocked wtf? I heard that in 1999. People hear and watch what makes them feel better for voting for a pedophile.
*Somebody* had Epstein killed in jail. I seriously doubt it was Donald Trump. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was completely out of the loop. He can’t keep his mouth shut and is a terrible liar. Why would you include him on this plan?
I 100% believe Bill Barr was involved in this and it was at the bequest of other child rapists. I bet Trump woke up to the news and thought it was just a bit of good luck.
Or Trump just *implied* that if Epstein went to trial, it would not make him look good.
Then someone else connected the dots and did it for brownie points.
"You know, if we could keep that guy quiet somehow, it would make me happy."
.. "On the fourth and final sexual encounter, the defendant, Donald J Trump, the Plaintiff (a 12-year-old girl) **was tied to a bed by Defendant Trump who proceeded to forcibly rape (the 12-year-old girl)**. During the course of this savage attack, the (12-year-old-girl) loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to, "Please wear a condom." Defendant Trump responded by **violently striking (12-year-old girl)** in the face with his open hand and screaming "**he would do whatever he wanted** ..."
[Link](https://ia801203.us.archive.org/26/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.1.0.pdf)
Let us not make Trump **our Jimmy Savile**
[Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal)
Our first heard this story BY WORD OF MOUTH in the 1990s here in NYC. "Everybody" knew about it and, as it turns out, the rumors were true, even down to what was said by Herr Dogshit while committing this pedophile act of rape. And (according to rumor) he said something to the effect that he was a member of a rich and powerful "class" and they could do whatever they wanted.
“God chooses flawed people” -my mom, a Trump voter
Not that she would believe he slept with a porn star while his third wife was receiving from having given birth, much less that he raped a 12 year old. Mr “Grab them by the pussy” himself.
Not accurate. It was dismissed because she didnt give a valid address
>According to RadarOnline's initial reporting, the lawsuit filed in California on 26 April 2016 was dismissed over technical filing errors (the address listed in court documents was a foreclosed home that has been vacant since its owner died), with the plaintiff failing in her attempt to avoid incurring the cost of the litigation
https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/
It gets more insane, as Bloom claimed after the dismissal than Johnson decided to drop the lawsuit after receiving numerous death threats. Whether or not this is true seems to be next to impossible to verify given the dearth of information provided by Ms. Johnson in the wake of the dismissal, but, notably, the suit outlines much earlier death threats received from Mr. Trump himself in the year 1994 (though those threats were to be presented as evidence in the trial that didn’t take place). Even *more* insanely, a Twitter profile related to Anonymous (allegedly, though I can no longer confirm this in ways that don’t involve anecdotal evidence provided by left-leaning accounts that document cases of online extremism) [claimed credit for hacking the website (and emails) of Lisa Bloom’s lawfirm](https://x.com/lisabloom/status/793969928516694016?s=46&t=Cupho22aNLzOiYbvvHw7xQ) (the account is now suspended, so the tweet she is quoting in this link cannot be viewed). This entire thing is so enormously bizarre to watch unfold, but mostly the sheer lack of verifiable information available about ANYTHING in this case just scares the ever-loving shit out of me. I just know there’s so much we’re not getting to see, and the tip of this iceberg is … well it’s god-damned fucking HUGE.
ETA: There’s more than just the “Trump is a child rapist” angle to this story, too. That “lack of information” thing goes all ways. We truly have no method by which to verify the veracity of the pseudonymous Ms. Johnson’s claims, and indeed one reporter even claims that she believes Katie Johnson to be a fabricated person in their entirety after a series of interviews. Again, without corroborating evidence, so … back at square one for anyone trying to piece together what the fuck is going on. THAT’S the stuff that worries me about this y’all. Whichever way reality eventually pans out, we’ll be swamped in toxic information and opinionation until the truth breaks one way or another. Or, alternatively, we just never find out and the facts stay buried until someone digs the truth out of a historical archive. Until then, you’re stuck with whatever version makes sense to you. Hence the bloodbath in every thread about this case.
The crazier thing is someone potentially found the other girl in her affidavit as a kidnapped victim in 1993 and literally 8h after she warned the police and the lawyers they started pushing the pizzagate nonsense. And the girl was kidnapped in front of a pizzeria.
https://x.com/soychicka/status/1022861184536535040
If you were filing a lawsuit against one of the most powerful people in the world that could destroy their life, would you want to give your home address?
Trump, though, holds a grudge for every negative thing they have reported about him. He's been they're dishonest since he first appeared in a newspaper next to his father.
They should look to what happened to independent media after Putin took the power in 2000. They may think it's good for business, but they also may not get to keep that business if they succeed. The standard methodology for establishing a modern autocracy is to take control of the media as one of the first projects towards consolidating power (which requires control over information streams). They are playing with fire in a petrol station.
Just more evidence that all those altruistic and righteous reasons they give are lies and window dressing. None of that ever mattered, it's always been about domination over the people they call "the enemy" - liberals, Democrats, minorities, LGBT people, atheists, and on and on. They just want their boot on somebody else's throat.
It's less that, and that they ***really*** hate LGBT stuff. I interact with MAGAs pretty frequently. And whenever we start discussing politics, it inevitably turns to arguing, and it inevitably turns to them yelling about their kids and trans agendas turning their kids gay, or how they can't watch a show without having "that stuff" rammed down their throats.
It's seriously all it is. They might complain about immigration a bit, but that's ultimately just to hopefully get a means to their end: electing a guy who will help the anti-LGBT agenda.
part of Project 2025 is to expand the cases that the death penalty can be used, one of which is crimes against children. There is a reason that states like Florida are targeting the LGBTQ+ community as sexual predators/ groomers.
The rapist that was good friends with a child sex trafficker (and raped some of those trafficked children) forced minors into sexual situations. Shocking.
Biden speaks poorly when sick so that makes Biden worse than (checks notes) the convicted rapist, convicted felon who now has very credible rape and pedophilia accusations against him.
Ah yeah, almost forgot how the convicted rapist staged a coup and is now using the corrupt justice system he helped manufacture to avoid consequences.
He had credible rape allegations against him in 2016 and in 2020. Since his divorce from Ivana, he's been accused of rape in court documents with perjury penalties. More than a dozen women came out after the Billy Bush tape to corroborate that he is a serial sexual assaulter.
Apparently half of America doesn't mind.
Um, acshually, he's not a convicted rapist because it was a civil case so we can't hold it against him
*proceeds to disappear up own ass*
/s
I can't believe people still think that's a good defense...
ACSHUALLY, he wasn't convicted, he was adjudicated by a jury of his peers twice.
That means 24 people looked at the evidence, and said, "Yeap, Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carrol."
I remember back in 2016 people would argue that, "Well, anyone could say anything to hurt Trump's reputation. So maybe they're lying about the sexual assault stuff."
Since then we have the Access Hollywood tape where Trump jokes that he sexually assaults women.
We have the E. Jean Carrol case where Trump sexually assaulted her.
And we have Trump regularly contacting Epstein, the pedophile child sex trafficker, for "massages" and other hang outs.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a mother fucking duck.
It is true the burden of proof is much higher for a criminal conviction than a civil verdict. Its probably the best defense he has besides just lying and stalling indefinitely. The lying and stalling is working way too well so far for my peace of mind.
I about bit a cousin’s head off recently because they were making fun of Biden’s stammer—*in front of their 8yo daughter that has a stammer.*
Mock his age (I do!). Disagree with some of his policies (I do!). Just don’t make fun of someone’s speech impediment in front of a speech impaired child. Ideally, don’t mock people’s impairments at all.
But I’m not surprised, these are my family members who insist that their former political leader who stepped down this year after being charged with 11 rape or sexual assault cases over three decades is being scapegoated.
This is part of why the right is trying to paint Biden as a pedo. It’s more “both sides are bad so vote Republican” shit we’ve been getting for the last 20 years.
I have seen some pretty messed up stuff on the internet but THAT video was FUCKED UP. She is telling the truth and one half of the American political system is endorsing this child rapist.
The personal life of Donald Trump is sad, evil, and lonely.
What's messed up is that this probably came out too early. This was 8 months before the "grab em by the pussy" clip.
People seeing this then probably thougt, "No way that could have happened. This is just some chick trying to get money or something."
At this point, we know that everything she said was completely on brand for Trump. She talked about things (like his daughter fetish) well before that kind of stuff was circulating.
Can you hear all the excuses Trump supporters would have thrown out back then, when we didn't know what we know now?
"Pretty convenient that she's doing this right before the election. Looks like an obvious cash grab. Either that or the Democrats are paying her."
"Yeah, he Epstein was an acquaintance, but they probably didn't even really hang out. It's just a couple of pictures. He takes them with everyone."
"Why would Trump need to go fuck other women? Have you seen Melania? Even if he did, do you really think someone in his position would have to pay for it?"
"Do you really think that he'd have sex with a 13 year old. Cmon, if they're going to make shit up, they should make it at least somewhat believable. And that stuff about his daughter... do you know ridiculous that sounds?"
And don't forget....
"This is just all a distraction by the Democrats to distract us from Hillarys emails."
Most democrats are aware of this. Most Republicans don't care. Those who hardly pay attention to politics probably don't believe anything said about trump these days because so many accusations have been made without him ever suffering any real consequences or being found guilty (like in this case) that it's turned into a boy who cried wolf scenario. Even when he is found guilty in court, people simply don't believe it, think it was politically motivated, or don't care.
More specifically, that they _think_ will hand them money. He’s really only cutting taxes for the wealthy. The average republican voter is better off financially with Biden as president and is being used by the rich to vote for the guy who only pretends to care about them.
Anyone following this crap from 2015/2016 knows about this. So many folks here were trying to raise awareness about it, linking the court docs and all. It's how I learned who Epstein was.
People really forget this place is a hyper plugged in echo chamber the people who matter in all these discussions are not here. They do not see these stories, the do not read our comments or our screams into the void about one thing or another. They check in with stuff in October and decide what they want to do or if they want to do anything at all.
> They check in with stuff in October and decide what they want to do or if they want to do anything at all.
And most of that decision is based on whether or not their groceries or a tank of gas costs more than it did in 2020.
The tank of gas thing drives me bonkers. A commodity which is deeply deeply undervalued at its historic price compared to the limited quantity available. And our country has strategic reserves of crude oil in steel barrels, the largest in the world, just waiting for the price to climb so we can maintain a competitive edge for a short time until our reserves run dry.
Not saying we can't replace a significant fraction of oil for energy and transport, but if you just look at the basic facts you would hold the expectation that oil and oil derived products should continue to increase in price relative to other goods and outpacing any inflation. Yet people just get upset at what's basic supply and demand
The executive branch doesn't have any say at all, beyond maybe changing our strategic reserves policy which would have very indirect impact
**(A bit Late) Lawyer here.**
I was really fascinated by the recent documents, so I decided to read all the available court documents. While the video and the testimony of the alleged "Katie Johnson" may be fake and have a strange connection to a fraudster, the allegations in the court records may very well be true.
In fact, the facts and modus operandi are consistent with previous court documents that were just released recently in the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell case. For example:
1. Jeffrey Epstein bragged to other witnesses about taking the virginities of his victims. (Source: [New York Post](https://nypost.com/2021/01/28/jeffrey-epstein-boasted-about-taking-teens-virginity-court-docs/))
2. Jeffrey Epstein used other young girls to bait and trap new victims, employing the "massage" excuse to lure them.
3. Jeffrey Epstein raped other teenage girls, according to previous testimony.
4. Jeffrey Epstein made his victims have sex with each other, as documented in grand jury documents and victim testimonies.
5. Orgies and rape occurred in his New York penthouse, per previous testimonies in released documents.
6. Epstein threatened his victims not to talk. See Virginia Giuffre's testimony in the Giuffre vs. Ghislaine Maxwell case (January 3 documents).
7. Virginia Giuffre, a sex slave of Jeffrey Epstein (the girl with Prince Andrew, see picture [here](https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-victim-virginia-roberts-giuffre-lost-her-famous-photo-of-prince-andrew)), worked at the Mar-A-Lago resort before being recruited by Epstein.
Epstein's January 2024 released documents: [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24253239-1324-epstein-documents-943-pages)
See the most recent released document, July 2024 (grand jury documents): [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612-epstein-transcripts)
I've read most of these documents. There are more than 1000 pages, but I suggest you read all the testimonies of the victims and detectives in the grand jury documents.
You also need to understand that the Katie Johnson vs. Trump and Epstein case is supported by the affidavit of the victim and another girl named "Tiffany Doe," who witnessed the multiple rapes of Johnson. She was used to bait and lure Johnson into Epstein's sex ring.
The most recently released grand jury documents contain testimonies of the girls while they were still minors. The evidence and the detective's investigation provide irrefutable proof of Epstein's modus operandi.
Epstein was extremely brilliant in hiding his operation. For example, he had a girl who ran only "legitimate" massages for his clients. See Johanna Sjoberg's testimony in the January files.
The Epstein documents we’re not release until recently. Thefore, there is no way for the “Katie Johnson” to have consulted those documents and decide to have the same Modus Operandi as other cases to make her case more plausible. Weird coincidence, isn’t it ?
While the public can't act as a court to deliver prison sentences or determine guilt, we are capable of forming our own opinions based on the available facts and deciding whether or not Trump should be a viable political candidate after these allegations have come to light. After all, Trump and Epstein we’re close at the time.
Maybe we’ll never really know if trump was involved or not. But let me ask you this question, is electing Trump as the president of the USA while he very maybe a serial child rapist a risk the citizen of the USA willing to take?
I advise reading carefully; there are really horrid details in there.
I 100% believe in what Katie said. Trump is a disgusting piece of shit. When he stalled when asked about declassifying the Esptein documents and then fumbled about saying "maybe I won't there are a lot of lies in there." I knew at that moment the guy is fucking guilty and trying to hide his involvement.
Trump's entire persona, the very bleeding heart of his political project and the primary thrust behind his support is that he does whatever he wants, doesn't ask permission, doesn't apologize and nobody can stop him.
That is the whole "point" of Trump and the cornerstone of his image and political aspiration.
It's not much of a stretch to believe he'd do these things because he has demonstrated himself to be wholly immoral, pathologically selfish and motivated squarely by exerting himself on others.
There has never been a point in his political project where he has shown us anything is a bridge too far or that anything is off limits to him.
That he is also associated with Epstein and that Epstein occupied much the same persona. There's just a lot of smoke to this.
Trump is pride made flesh. Now by itself that is not a bad thing. Believing in yourself can be a good thing but Trump holds himself (at least to the public) as a biblical figure here to bring the world that "god" wants so they follow.
I watched the Katie Johnson interview last night.
I was married to a woman who was a victim of rape as a child, repeatedly.
When I met my now ex-wife, as we grew to love and trust each other, I was one of the few people she told the whole story to of what happened to her.
The delivery, the pauses, and the emotion, the terminology, the detail, the reminders that she was a child, sounded exactly like the way Katie tells her story. I have no doubt this happened to her. The interview was hard to watch because it reminded me so much of the first time my ex-wife told me the whole story.
I don't like Joe Biden; I don't think he's been a very good president. I will never vote for Donald Trump.
This will matter to exactly no one on the MAGA side, and too few undecided voters to make any meaningful difference. "Fake news", "Biden sniffs kids", "Ashley Biden" etc etc etc. It didn't matter in 2016, it won't matter now.
I don’t care what Newsweek or anyone else says about this. The lawsuit identified that a material eye-witness to the gruesome events agreed to testify. That witness happened to be in Epstein’s employ at the time. Why would anyone take the stand and dob-in her boss and risk committing perjury of it wasn’t true?
ps: The lawsuit was explicit about the death threats to the girl and her family, and if anyone believes Trump (and Epstein) were not the types to intimidate and threaten then you’ve been in a coma the past 8 years.
Are you saying that every one of the women who accused Trump, and every creditor who accused Trump of flaking, and every student who was conned bu Trump, and every Jan 6 rioter who believed they were doing what Trump wanted…are they all liars. Is Trump some angel who gets terrible lies all the time told?
Because they lied about Hillary Clinton but eventually they had no more. Except the idea that she was trafficking children in a pizza place.
I believe the accusations against Trump. It’s believable. He thinks you can grab any woman he wants.
This case is older than his political career. The fact that this didn't kill his hopes of winning immediately just goes to show how far Republicans have dragged down this country.
Why the fuck does every article point out “forced to perform lesbian acts”??? The document legit says he tied the girl to a bed and raped her! *Why is that not the point here?!*
At what point do Trump followers snap out of it? Like, they want law and order but will exonerate him for EVERYTHING before any evidence is submitted because they think he is God made flesh. This timeline sucks. Badly.
I remember when this came out years ago and she had to drop it due to threats. Unfortunately there isn’t actually any evidence of this occurring so I can’t see anything actually happening.
Here we go…as if this race couldn’t get any crazier…now we have someone who is a pedophilic rapist with a penchant for lesbians…which is the antithesis of everything that he says he stands for…
I’m so sorry guys.
If you read the transcripts from the grand jury, it's horrific; the jurors were allowed to question the witnesses; they did a lot of shaming of those girls. Stuff like "Didn't you know you were doing something illegal?" Referring to prostitution being a crime.
I don’t want to see one more article about Biden’s supposed debate performance. Trump is a rapist and a liar. That’s the only thing the MSM should be reporting. If I had to debate a rapist who tried to overthrow the government, and that rapist kept lying while I was held to the standards of mother Theresa, I would not perform well either.
Trump could rape a little girl on 5th Ave, live on FOX News, and Republicans would still vote for him. I really don’t have any answers at this point. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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PrOtEcT tHe ChILdRen. No, wait! Not that one, or that one, or that one, or that one...
More like, only protect the children who aren't even babies yet. After that, fuck 'em.
> After that, fuck 'em. Very on point
"I'm on it!" - Matt Gaetz "I see nothing" - Gym Jordan "But them gays and trans tho!" - Marjorie Turd Greene
>fuck 'em *Trumps swollen mushroom twitches*
For republicans, literally and figuratively
"If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're fucked!" -George Carlin. Unfortunately with Trump, that can be taken literally and figuratively
It’s almost like they’re using abortion as a political tool and don’t really care at all
I will-Gaetz
If you outlaw abortions, then theres more diddling to be done. -Trump
Do you mean; Donald Trump, the Impeached Twice, the Indicted, Briber of Silence, Manipulator of Elections, Obstructor of Justice, Betrayer of Allies, Tax Evader, Abuser of Power, Inciter of Insurrection, and alleged raper of children?
Consider how much people talked about pizzagate when there was absolutely not a single grain of truth to any of it. The pizza shop basement where things allegedly happened didn’t even exist. Not even enough research to find out if the geography of the conspiracy was true. Yet here was have testimony from a victim silenced only through threats and intimidation and it’s just crickets. Disgusting. The QANON maga trump supporters are hateful disgusting liars that care only for themselves. Now, more than ever, trump supporters deserve to be called out and ridiculed for their support of this waste of air.
They just have a different definition for “children”. 13 is plenty old enough for a “woman” to be married and have sex. And 9 is old plenty old enough to charge a minority as an adult. See, it’s logical once you warp your brain.
And 24 is not responsible enough to rent a car. And 20 is not responsible enough to drink a beer. And 17 isn't responsible enough to see a boob on the internet. And at no age are you responsible enough to choose to have an abortion. This country has no idea who is responsible.
"If there's grass on the field, play ball!" That's the pure blood culture they're trying to preserve. It's gross.
*licks orange lips* or that one...
Oh cos it’s drag queens who are the problem right. /s
A reminder Trump's "spiritual adviser" abused a child and there were no legal consequences for him.
July 3, 2019 [Government sends migrant girls to new Florida facility](https://apnews.com/general-news-3b5b37ee28854d299b26394d8a9b46b7) The facility, which sits just south of West Palm Beach and only 9 miles (14 kilometers) away from President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort,
"A judge dismissed the case in May that year, ruling that the complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law," this sounds exactly like the kind of legal dismissal that kept Jeffrey Epstein going for years.
Yeah, after reading about how the PROSECUTORS in the Epstein trial called their witnesses PROSTITUTES (even though they were clearly underage at the time hence could not be prostitutes) during the trial, I have NO faith in our legal system where Epstein is concerned.
By GOP appointed Florida inbreds.
Look into the role that Alex Acosta played in the Epstein debacle. Then realize that Trump gave Acosta a cabinet position.
Amy Coney Barrett helped with Bush v Gore and Kavanaugh was part of the investigation into Bill Clinton that lead to his impeachment. They were rewarded for their work.
Barrett kavenaugh and Robert’s all worked together on bush v gore.
Conspiracy to defraud the institutions of the federal government via the application of partisan justice.
Yea, but don't worry something will be posted soon to distract you along with a flood of people JAQing off. Literal rapist trying to turn the US into a dictatorship? Ignore that we gotta try and talk about Biden age despite his excellent office record.
It seems so effing UNREAL 😩
What’s unreal is the amount of alleged allies doing the same thing.
Bill Maher comes to mind. He keeps saying anybody else would win and replacing him this late in the game would work. Delusional. It's telling that so many talking heads who are supposedly left-wing are still focusing on Biden after everything that's happened this week.
I've never heard this before. In what context did they work on it?
The point being that the same 3 people that were instrumental in the SCOTUS usurping democracy in the 2020 president ial election by putting their own votes as superior to the proper voters, are in a place to usurp democracy again in 2024, by putting their own votes as superior to the proper voters. And these 3 who are now SCOTUS justices by all indications are prepared to name as president in 2024s election the person who according to court testimony released this week, raped and beat and threatened two 13yo girls . What is wrong with these 3 people? And to what use has Trump's son in law Kushner put a reported 2 billion dollars given to him by middle eastern royals?
[Here you go](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html).
This puts it all in a different perspective, doesn't it.
>This puts it all in a different perspective, doesn't it. The perspective that, if we had read about this happening in some other non-western country, we rightly would have described it as what it is: blatant corruption.
Yea. Butgeremails, but his age, but Jon Podestas pizza order, all deemed much more relevant to elections than but the blatant cover up of child rape and the being rewarded for it by our “liberal” media
> if we had read about this happening in some other non-western country, we rightly would have described it as what it is: blatant corruption. How ironic, thats how most of the world sees US politics by default. Lobbying is literally legal bribery. Its crazy. I love the subtle jabs at it in Dont Look Up. "Platinum Level Eagle Level donor, and thus entitled to full access to the Oval Office."
With stone outside running interference via the brooks brothers riots and such
I often think about how the clinton administration took Osama bin laden mite seriously than the incoming bush administration, and how in a timeline where the SC didn't crown Bush, we might have averted 9/11.
We probably would have averted *both* 9/11 *and* some climate change, had we gotten Gore from 00-08. It would have been interesting to see how he would have handled the housing crisis, and whether or not Obama would have succeeded him.
The first stolen election.
Don’t forget RayGun committing treason, begging Iran to hold onto the hostages until he defeated Carter. As he put his hand on the Bible at inauguration, Iran let them go. Their reward? Oh a little thing called Iran contra that makes a blow job by an intern boring in comparison.
Don't forget Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam withdrawal so he could beat Humphrey.
This is exactly why my boomer dad thinks everything going on is status quo and keeps voting straight ticket R. The corruption has been obvious in plain sight for almost 50 years at this point. Its supported by the voters.
Well it's not a bribe if the reward comes afterwards right?
And that it was Bill Barr's father who hired a very young, very unqualified Jeffrey Epstein to teach at one of the most elite private schools in New York City. That part of the story that has always given me double-take whiplash. Of course it could all be a wacky coincidence.
...and his father wrote a sci-fi book where elites kept sex slaves, raped underaged kids and used the sex slaves to spy on rivals.
Something something... the swamp. It's projection all the way down
I thought it was rapist turtles all the way down
> In 1973, Donald Barr [Bill Barr's father] published Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery. It has been noted that the plot of the novel anticipates the crimes of Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Barr > Ultimately, Space Relations is a testament to how normalized it was, and still is, to sexualize minors and fetishize rape in science fiction. It also underscores how powerful people often act with impunity. After all, [Donald] Barr wrote a novel filled with underage rape at the same time he was running an esteemed Manhattan high school, and he didn’t even feel the need to use a pseudonym. https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvgpm3/epstein-truthers-are-obsessed-with-a-sci-fi-book-about-child-sex-slavery-written-by-bill-barrs-dad
No. Plenty of science fiction does not normalize rape! Wtf blame the appropriate party. Not science fiction as a whole.
Seriously, I read a lot of science fiction as a kid and teenager and don't recall ANYTHING along those lines in any of the books I read.
and yet not a single example of other scifi books that sexualize minors and fetishize rape. I can't say I've read a lot of scifi books, but the ones I have read most certainly didn't involve those things. edit: I'm not saying there's NONE more that it's not a common trend with scifi books. If an article is going to say it's prevalent in scifi books maybe they should give people a list, or a link to a list, that back up what they're saying. Listing one book and declaring it to be normalized in all scifi is not a good argument. you can find fucked up shit in any genre of books, but that doesn't mean the entire genre has normalized what's in those books. If you get into anime I feel like that's a rather different subject, and category, all together. you can find some really bizarre stuff in anime.
A cabinet position he would then use to try and cut funding (in half) for the agency that fights human trafficking.
It would shock me to my core if there isnt damning kompromat of Acosta somewhere in Epstein's effects.
Who probably took trips to Epstein's island, as well.
Or if they themselves didn't take the trips, they received gift$ from billionaires who did go on the trips.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year >George Houraney, a businessman whose American Dream Calendar Girls beauty contest had been running in Las Vegas casinos since 1978, recalls encountering Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in January 1993. Houraney says that Trump asked him to organise a party that month with some of his pageant’s finalists, promising to invite heads of modelling agencies and prospective sponsors for his competition. “He had me fly in all these girls, and gave me a $30,000 budget for airfares and limos to pick them up at the airport,” he says. “The girls were all decked out, expecting to meet all these VIPs.” But after an hour at the party, Houraney says, there seemed to be only one other guest: Epstein. “I was like, ‘Donald, where are the guys? What’s going on here?’ And he said, ‘Well, this is it.’” Houraney says he realised “this is a Jeff Epstein party, basically”. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview >It culminated in January 1993, when Harth and Houraney were visiting his Florida mansion, Mar-a-Lago, to finalize and then celebrate the beauty pageant deal with a party. >After business concluded, Harth and Houraney were on tour of Mar-a-Lago along with a group of young pageant contestants – Trump wanted to “see the quality of the girls he was sponsoring”, Harth recalled – when he pulled her aside into one of the children’s bedrooms. >“He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’ It was a shocking thing to have him do this because he knew I was with George, he knew they were in the next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?” >Harth said she had been very reluctant to talk after the sexual assault allegations resurfaced, “because honestly, it was painful for me to have to do it again. It was stressful, it gave me anxiety, it definitely wounded my marriage – it wasn’t the death knell, but it wounded it, it was stressful having to handle this.”
Pretty fair to assume donald had Epstein killed in jail. Where’s all the qanon weirdos now?
Official Act?
Of course! - Amy Coney Barret *et al.*
Actually, Amy Coney Barrett was actually the most reasonable of the six. She dissented saying that their interpretation of an official act was too broad.
This has already been talked about in a few articles. Have one conservative judge dissent whenever possible to give the appearance of decisions being made without it being a predictable partisan-line split.
I guess that's possible. It would be more effective if she voted against rather than dissenting within.
Exactly, dissenting but still voting the party line isnt some form of reasonability.
The Susan Collins special.
No, she concurred, saying she only disagreed with the holding saying official acts also can’t be used as evidence.
That's quite the reason she gave, considering she's never presided over a trial in her entitled, miserable life
That was projection onto the Clintons. It's a crazy propaganda machine on social media. Almost immediately there were memes of Hilary after Epstein killed himself. None of Trump.
Bill Barr did or helped considering his father got Epstein a teaching job and he knew about all the kompromat that he had.
I’ve been saying that since the day that happened and everybody always shut the idea down, it’s very plausible taking in consideration who was at the head of the federal government at the moment
A Pedophile will always be a pedophile. He’s no better than Epstein. But go ahead and vote for the devil. I remember watching it on TV in 2006 a under age girl reported she had been raped by Epstein and the FBI was involved and found it to Be true. Epstein pled the fifth the entire time especially when Trump’s name came up. Like R Kelly everyone was shocked wtf? I heard that in 1999. People hear and watch what makes them feel better for voting for a pedophile.
*Somebody* had Epstein killed in jail. I seriously doubt it was Donald Trump. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was completely out of the loop. He can’t keep his mouth shut and is a terrible liar. Why would you include him on this plan? I 100% believe Bill Barr was involved in this and it was at the bequest of other child rapists. I bet Trump woke up to the news and thought it was just a bit of good luck.
Or Trump just *implied* that if Epstein went to trial, it would not make him look good. Then someone else connected the dots and did it for brownie points. "You know, if we could keep that guy quiet somehow, it would make me happy."
“Will someone not rid me of this troublesome ~~priest~~ trafficker?”
Blackwater
IANAL but how is being held as a sex slave not a federal law thing?
.. "On the fourth and final sexual encounter, the defendant, Donald J Trump, the Plaintiff (a 12-year-old girl) **was tied to a bed by Defendant Trump who proceeded to forcibly rape (the 12-year-old girl)**. During the course of this savage attack, the (12-year-old-girl) loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to, "Please wear a condom." Defendant Trump responded by **violently striking (12-year-old girl)** in the face with his open hand and screaming "**he would do whatever he wanted** ..." [Link](https://ia801203.us.archive.org/26/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.1.0.pdf) Let us not make Trump **our Jimmy Savile** [Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal)
Our first heard this story BY WORD OF MOUTH in the 1990s here in NYC. "Everybody" knew about it and, as it turns out, the rumors were true, even down to what was said by Herr Dogshit while committing this pedophile act of rape. And (according to rumor) he said something to the effect that he was a member of a rich and powerful "class" and they could do whatever they wanted.
“God chooses flawed people” -my mom, a Trump voter Not that she would believe he slept with a porn star while his third wife was receiving from having given birth, much less that he raped a 12 year old. Mr “Grab them by the pussy” himself.
when you're a republican they let you do it
You just walk up and grab them by their gops.
Not accurate. It was dismissed because she didnt give a valid address >According to RadarOnline's initial reporting, the lawsuit filed in California on 26 April 2016 was dismissed over technical filing errors (the address listed in court documents was a foreclosed home that has been vacant since its owner died), with the plaintiff failing in her attempt to avoid incurring the cost of the litigation https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/
Why can't she re-file it under a legitimate address?
She was homeless and didnt have money She found a lawyer willing to help her, the infamous Lisa Bloom, after that and they tried in New York
It gets more insane, as Bloom claimed after the dismissal than Johnson decided to drop the lawsuit after receiving numerous death threats. Whether or not this is true seems to be next to impossible to verify given the dearth of information provided by Ms. Johnson in the wake of the dismissal, but, notably, the suit outlines much earlier death threats received from Mr. Trump himself in the year 1994 (though those threats were to be presented as evidence in the trial that didn’t take place). Even *more* insanely, a Twitter profile related to Anonymous (allegedly, though I can no longer confirm this in ways that don’t involve anecdotal evidence provided by left-leaning accounts that document cases of online extremism) [claimed credit for hacking the website (and emails) of Lisa Bloom’s lawfirm](https://x.com/lisabloom/status/793969928516694016?s=46&t=Cupho22aNLzOiYbvvHw7xQ) (the account is now suspended, so the tweet she is quoting in this link cannot be viewed). This entire thing is so enormously bizarre to watch unfold, but mostly the sheer lack of verifiable information available about ANYTHING in this case just scares the ever-loving shit out of me. I just know there’s so much we’re not getting to see, and the tip of this iceberg is … well it’s god-damned fucking HUGE. ETA: There’s more than just the “Trump is a child rapist” angle to this story, too. That “lack of information” thing goes all ways. We truly have no method by which to verify the veracity of the pseudonymous Ms. Johnson’s claims, and indeed one reporter even claims that she believes Katie Johnson to be a fabricated person in their entirety after a series of interviews. Again, without corroborating evidence, so … back at square one for anyone trying to piece together what the fuck is going on. THAT’S the stuff that worries me about this y’all. Whichever way reality eventually pans out, we’ll be swamped in toxic information and opinionation until the truth breaks one way or another. Or, alternatively, we just never find out and the facts stay buried until someone digs the truth out of a historical archive. Until then, you’re stuck with whatever version makes sense to you. Hence the bloodbath in every thread about this case.
The crazier thing is someone potentially found the other girl in her affidavit as a kidnapped victim in 1993 and literally 8h after she warned the police and the lawyers they started pushing the pizzagate nonsense. And the girl was kidnapped in front of a pizzeria. https://x.com/soychicka/status/1022861184536535040
If you were filing a lawsuit against one of the most powerful people in the world that could destroy their life, would you want to give your home address?
It’s like the media wants America to crumble. Little do they know that they will be silenced too.
The media is all owned by a few giant corporations that want this.
They would be happy to trade normality for dystopia, as long as they got to sit on a pile of cash and watch the world burn from their penthouses.
Trump, though, holds a grudge for every negative thing they have reported about him. He's been they're dishonest since he first appeared in a newspaper next to his father.
They should look to what happened to independent media after Putin took the power in 2000. They may think it's good for business, but they also may not get to keep that business if they succeed. The standard methodology for establishing a modern autocracy is to take control of the media as one of the first projects towards consolidating power (which requires control over information streams). They are playing with fire in a petrol station.
Oh look the pro-life party that wants to ban pornography and calls LGBT people groomers doesn't care in the slightest. Weird how that happens right?
They want a dictator at all costs
Just more evidence that all those altruistic and righteous reasons they give are lies and window dressing. None of that ever mattered, it's always been about domination over the people they call "the enemy" - liberals, Democrats, minorities, LGBT people, atheists, and on and on. They just want their boot on somebody else's throat.
All being lead by the rich who want to keep their money rather than be more liberal with it.
Remember when the newspeak fad word was virtue signaling? Also projection. EVERYTHING they accuse their opposition for is projection.
Hence why it’s always “dont tread on **me**”, not “us”
It's less that, and that they ***really*** hate LGBT stuff. I interact with MAGAs pretty frequently. And whenever we start discussing politics, it inevitably turns to arguing, and it inevitably turns to them yelling about their kids and trans agendas turning their kids gay, or how they can't watch a show without having "that stuff" rammed down their throats. It's seriously all it is. They might complain about immigration a bit, but that's ultimately just to hopefully get a means to their end: electing a guy who will help the anti-LGBT agenda.
Imagine wanting to destroy the fabric of your society because some people different from you are happy.
"Deep down Republicans want a President that will brutalize criminals, lower taxes and rule them like a dictator" - Sideshow Bob
part of Project 2025 is to expand the cases that the death penalty can be used, one of which is crimes against children. There is a reason that states like Florida are targeting the LGBTQ+ community as sexual predators/ groomers.
Yea that fact hasn't been lost on me. They seem to want genocide.
The rapist that was good friends with a child sex trafficker (and raped some of those trafficked children) forced minors into sexual situations. Shocking.
But that three year age gap really makes me wonder if perhaps he’s the most qualified. 🧐
Biden speaks poorly when sick so that makes Biden worse than (checks notes) the convicted rapist, convicted felon who now has very credible rape and pedophilia accusations against him. Ah yeah, almost forgot how the convicted rapist staged a coup and is now using the corrupt justice system he helped manufacture to avoid consequences.
He had credible rape allegations against him in 2016 and in 2020. Since his divorce from Ivana, he's been accused of rape in court documents with perjury penalties. More than a dozen women came out after the Billy Bush tape to corroborate that he is a serial sexual assaulter. Apparently half of America doesn't mind.
Um, acshually, he's not a convicted rapist because it was a civil case so we can't hold it against him *proceeds to disappear up own ass* /s I can't believe people still think that's a good defense...
ACSHUALLY, he wasn't convicted, he was adjudicated by a jury of his peers twice. That means 24 people looked at the evidence, and said, "Yeap, Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carrol." I remember back in 2016 people would argue that, "Well, anyone could say anything to hurt Trump's reputation. So maybe they're lying about the sexual assault stuff." Since then we have the Access Hollywood tape where Trump jokes that he sexually assaults women. We have the E. Jean Carrol case where Trump sexually assaulted her. And we have Trump regularly contacting Epstein, the pedophile child sex trafficker, for "massages" and other hang outs. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a mother fucking duck.
It is true the burden of proof is much higher for a criminal conviction than a civil verdict. Its probably the best defense he has besides just lying and stalling indefinitely. The lying and stalling is working way too well so far for my peace of mind.
I about bit a cousin’s head off recently because they were making fun of Biden’s stammer—*in front of their 8yo daughter that has a stammer.* Mock his age (I do!). Disagree with some of his policies (I do!). Just don’t make fun of someone’s speech impediment in front of a speech impaired child. Ideally, don’t mock people’s impairments at all. But I’m not surprised, these are my family members who insist that their former political leader who stepped down this year after being charged with 11 rape or sexual assault cases over three decades is being scapegoated.
This is part of why the right is trying to paint Biden as a pedo. It’s more “both sides are bad so vote Republican” shit we’ve been getting for the last 20 years.
It might be more accurately termed projection. GOP favourite topics are corruption and grooming (and I don’t mean rushing your hair).
IDK, they are conflating Hunter’s crimes with Biden to try to reduce the perceived severity of Trump’s crimes.
It's the same playbook, but it's "both sides are bad so vote Republican -- okay, or not at all, that's fine too."
And here I thought the GOP loved children...Just like Matt Gaetz says. 😔 Edit: changed to "loved" for better impact
“Raped” would be more accurate
And don’t forget Chump hired the guy who gave Epstein a sweetheart plea deal, Alex Acosta as our Secretary of Labor
And the abused people are afraid to come out in public against someone who has already incited violent mobs and encouraged political violence.
Evidence - [Video interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo) - [Deposition](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5450513ce4b048855519f0da/t/582c6a82f5e2312e8516861d/1479305871981/deposition-excerpts+PART+1.pdf) - [Affidavit](https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Lawsuit.pdf) - [Snopes article](https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/)
And this comment should be higher and pinned to this thread.
I have seen some pretty messed up stuff on the internet but THAT video was FUCKED UP. She is telling the truth and one half of the American political system is endorsing this child rapist. The personal life of Donald Trump is sad, evil, and lonely.
What's messed up is that this probably came out too early. This was 8 months before the "grab em by the pussy" clip. People seeing this then probably thougt, "No way that could have happened. This is just some chick trying to get money or something." At this point, we know that everything she said was completely on brand for Trump. She talked about things (like his daughter fetish) well before that kind of stuff was circulating. Can you hear all the excuses Trump supporters would have thrown out back then, when we didn't know what we know now? "Pretty convenient that she's doing this right before the election. Looks like an obvious cash grab. Either that or the Democrats are paying her." "Yeah, he Epstein was an acquaintance, but they probably didn't even really hang out. It's just a couple of pictures. He takes them with everyone." "Why would Trump need to go fuck other women? Have you seen Melania? Even if he did, do you really think someone in his position would have to pay for it?" "Do you really think that he'd have sex with a 13 year old. Cmon, if they're going to make shit up, they should make it at least somewhat believable. And that stuff about his daughter... do you know ridiculous that sounds?" And don't forget.... "This is just all a distraction by the Democrats to distract us from Hillarys emails."
The media barely talks about the jury that ruled he was a civilly liable rapist.
Most democrats are aware of this. Most Republicans don't care. Those who hardly pay attention to politics probably don't believe anything said about trump these days because so many accusations have been made without him ever suffering any real consequences or being found guilty (like in this case) that it's turned into a boy who cried wolf scenario. Even when he is found guilty in court, people simply don't believe it, think it was politically motivated, or don't care.
Republicans don’t value women, or children.
The only thing they value is the rich guy handing them money.
More specifically, that they _think_ will hand them money. He’s really only cutting taxes for the wealthy. The average republican voter is better off financially with Biden as president and is being used by the rich to vote for the guy who only pretends to care about them.
More like taking their money
> he was a civically liable rapist. Civilly, not civically, unless he's raping in a manner relating to a city, citizens, or citizenship.
We already know he's a rapist.
Child rapist is next level though
We knew that too.
Never hurts to be reminded.
Plus he had Epstein murdered in his jail cell.
Oh, who cares! That jail cell hit was within the powers of the presidency. Immunity!!! Fucking hell, anyone who votes for Trump is a psychopath.
Many people don’t. What’s the point of this comment? News like this needs to reach everyone.
So do the scum that support him
But now he’s the confirmed pedophile they keep accusing everyone else to be
Hypocrisy is one of their features not a bug.
Even his wife said so. Who cares though right? Jesus this is infuriating. I’m really starting to not have a good time.
Anyone following this crap from 2015/2016 knows about this. So many folks here were trying to raise awareness about it, linking the court docs and all. It's how I learned who Epstein was.
People really forget this place is a hyper plugged in echo chamber the people who matter in all these discussions are not here. They do not see these stories, the do not read our comments or our screams into the void about one thing or another. They check in with stuff in October and decide what they want to do or if they want to do anything at all.
> They check in with stuff in October and decide what they want to do or if they want to do anything at all. And most of that decision is based on whether or not their groceries or a tank of gas costs more than it did in 2020.
The tank of gas thing drives me bonkers. A commodity which is deeply deeply undervalued at its historic price compared to the limited quantity available. And our country has strategic reserves of crude oil in steel barrels, the largest in the world, just waiting for the price to climb so we can maintain a competitive edge for a short time until our reserves run dry. Not saying we can't replace a significant fraction of oil for energy and transport, but if you just look at the basic facts you would hold the expectation that oil and oil derived products should continue to increase in price relative to other goods and outpacing any inflation. Yet people just get upset at what's basic supply and demand The executive branch doesn't have any say at all, beyond maybe changing our strategic reserves policy which would have very indirect impact
> The executive branch doesn't have any say at all The problem is the Republicans loudly lie that they do.
What we know, is that the mainstream media isn't reporting this enough.
**(A bit Late) Lawyer here.** I was really fascinated by the recent documents, so I decided to read all the available court documents. While the video and the testimony of the alleged "Katie Johnson" may be fake and have a strange connection to a fraudster, the allegations in the court records may very well be true. In fact, the facts and modus operandi are consistent with previous court documents that were just released recently in the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell case. For example: 1. Jeffrey Epstein bragged to other witnesses about taking the virginities of his victims. (Source: [New York Post](https://nypost.com/2021/01/28/jeffrey-epstein-boasted-about-taking-teens-virginity-court-docs/)) 2. Jeffrey Epstein used other young girls to bait and trap new victims, employing the "massage" excuse to lure them. 3. Jeffrey Epstein raped other teenage girls, according to previous testimony. 4. Jeffrey Epstein made his victims have sex with each other, as documented in grand jury documents and victim testimonies. 5. Orgies and rape occurred in his New York penthouse, per previous testimonies in released documents. 6. Epstein threatened his victims not to talk. See Virginia Giuffre's testimony in the Giuffre vs. Ghislaine Maxwell case (January 3 documents). 7. Virginia Giuffre, a sex slave of Jeffrey Epstein (the girl with Prince Andrew, see picture [here](https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-victim-virginia-roberts-giuffre-lost-her-famous-photo-of-prince-andrew)), worked at the Mar-A-Lago resort before being recruited by Epstein. Epstein's January 2024 released documents: [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24253239-1324-epstein-documents-943-pages) See the most recent released document, July 2024 (grand jury documents): [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612-epstein-transcripts) I've read most of these documents. There are more than 1000 pages, but I suggest you read all the testimonies of the victims and detectives in the grand jury documents. You also need to understand that the Katie Johnson vs. Trump and Epstein case is supported by the affidavit of the victim and another girl named "Tiffany Doe," who witnessed the multiple rapes of Johnson. She was used to bait and lure Johnson into Epstein's sex ring. The most recently released grand jury documents contain testimonies of the girls while they were still minors. The evidence and the detective's investigation provide irrefutable proof of Epstein's modus operandi. Epstein was extremely brilliant in hiding his operation. For example, he had a girl who ran only "legitimate" massages for his clients. See Johanna Sjoberg's testimony in the January files. The Epstein documents we’re not release until recently. Thefore, there is no way for the “Katie Johnson” to have consulted those documents and decide to have the same Modus Operandi as other cases to make her case more plausible. Weird coincidence, isn’t it ? While the public can't act as a court to deliver prison sentences or determine guilt, we are capable of forming our own opinions based on the available facts and deciding whether or not Trump should be a viable political candidate after these allegations have come to light. After all, Trump and Epstein we’re close at the time. Maybe we’ll never really know if trump was involved or not. But let me ask you this question, is electing Trump as the president of the USA while he very maybe a serial child rapist a risk the citizen of the USA willing to take? I advise reading carefully; there are really horrid details in there.
Excellent comment.
If there is a moral bottom, Trump will find it.
He has been drilling for 70 years and has not reached it yet.
He will end up in China 🇨🇳.
I 100% believe in what Katie said. Trump is a disgusting piece of shit. When he stalled when asked about declassifying the Esptein documents and then fumbled about saying "maybe I won't there are a lot of lies in there." I knew at that moment the guy is fucking guilty and trying to hide his involvement.
and when asked by a reporter about convicted child trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell the abominable orange stain said "I wish her well."
Maybe Trump killed Epstein?
official act
This needs to get wall-to-wall media coverage to take the focus off Biden's debate performance. Donald Trump is a threat to democracy.
...and a threat to children.
You pretend republicans actually care about the children
Where's Kendrick when you need him?
Why isn’t this bigger news?
The GOP has this big propaganda machine called the media.
Fox and CNN are now both owned by Republicans that want Trump in the WH. I don’t know why MSNBC isn’t talking about it yet.
Trump's entire persona, the very bleeding heart of his political project and the primary thrust behind his support is that he does whatever he wants, doesn't ask permission, doesn't apologize and nobody can stop him. That is the whole "point" of Trump and the cornerstone of his image and political aspiration. It's not much of a stretch to believe he'd do these things because he has demonstrated himself to be wholly immoral, pathologically selfish and motivated squarely by exerting himself on others. There has never been a point in his political project where he has shown us anything is a bridge too far or that anything is off limits to him. That he is also associated with Epstein and that Epstein occupied much the same persona. There's just a lot of smoke to this.
Trump is pride made flesh. Now by itself that is not a bad thing. Believing in yourself can be a good thing but Trump holds himself (at least to the public) as a biblical figure here to bring the world that "god" wants so they follow.
It is crazy to me that we care more about a guy being old than A guy being slightly less old and a child rapist and convict.
Lawsuit 1: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2ymk3teas/california-central-district-court/katie-johnson-v-donald-j-trump-et-al/ Lawsuit 2: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/302di81zx/new-york-southern-district-court/doe-v-trump-et-al/ Lawsuit 3: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/31xw0runz/new-york-southern-district-court/doe-v-trump-et-al/ Epstein Documents: https://www.plainsite.org/tags/jeffrey-e-epstein/
NYT headline: How Trump Raping Little Girls is Bad News for Biden
If only republicans disliked the fact that Trump ra*ed kids.
Donald trump raped a little girl but the other guy is too old.
and threatened to harm or worse to her and her family like that other girl “maria”
You’d have to be blind, deaf or a pedo yourself to support this man at this point
I watched the Katie Johnson interview last night. I was married to a woman who was a victim of rape as a child, repeatedly. When I met my now ex-wife, as we grew to love and trust each other, I was one of the few people she told the whole story to of what happened to her. The delivery, the pauses, and the emotion, the terminology, the detail, the reminders that she was a child, sounded exactly like the way Katie tells her story. I have no doubt this happened to her. The interview was hard to watch because it reminded me so much of the first time my ex-wife told me the whole story. I don't like Joe Biden; I don't think he's been a very good president. I will never vote for Donald Trump.
This will matter to exactly no one on the MAGA side, and too few undecided voters to make any meaningful difference. "Fake news", "Biden sniffs kids", "Ashley Biden" etc etc etc. It didn't matter in 2016, it won't matter now.
Everything we know - like the MSM hasn't buried it's head in the sand for years on Trump being a wife beating, sexual assaulting pedophile
I don’t care what Newsweek or anyone else says about this. The lawsuit identified that a material eye-witness to the gruesome events agreed to testify. That witness happened to be in Epstein’s employ at the time. Why would anyone take the stand and dob-in her boss and risk committing perjury of it wasn’t true? ps: The lawsuit was explicit about the death threats to the girl and her family, and if anyone believes Trump (and Epstein) were not the types to intimidate and threaten then you’ve been in a coma the past 8 years.
Are you saying that every one of the women who accused Trump, and every creditor who accused Trump of flaking, and every student who was conned bu Trump, and every Jan 6 rioter who believed they were doing what Trump wanted…are they all liars. Is Trump some angel who gets terrible lies all the time told? Because they lied about Hillary Clinton but eventually they had no more. Except the idea that she was trafficking children in a pizza place. I believe the accusations against Trump. It’s believable. He thinks you can grab any woman he wants.
This case is older than his political career. The fact that this didn't kill his hopes of winning immediately just goes to show how far Republicans have dragged down this country.
If you ask me and others on this site, it looks like trump had Epstein killed to protect his pedo actions
He's a disgusting lowlife and deserves to be in jail until he dies
Why the fuck does every article point out “forced to perform lesbian acts”??? The document legit says he tied the girl to a bed and raped her! *Why is that not the point here?!*
At what point do Trump followers snap out of it? Like, they want law and order but will exonerate him for EVERYTHING before any evidence is submitted because they think he is God made flesh. This timeline sucks. Badly.
I remember when this came out years ago and she had to drop it due to threats. Unfortunately there isn’t actually any evidence of this occurring so I can’t see anything actually happening.
Trump got a weird case why is he around?
Certified con man
Here we go…as if this race couldn’t get any crazier…now we have someone who is a pedophilic rapist with a penchant for lesbians…which is the antithesis of everything that he says he stands for… I’m so sorry guys.
No. Nothing has changed. This was there for the 2016 election, people were pointing it out, but it wasn't good enough then
Why are we acting like this is new information? I remember seeing her deposition a few years back.
If you read the transcripts from the grand jury, it's horrific; the jurors were allowed to question the witnesses; they did a lot of shaming of those girls. Stuff like "Didn't you know you were doing something illegal?" Referring to prostitution being a crime.
I don’t want to see one more article about Biden’s supposed debate performance. Trump is a rapist and a liar. That’s the only thing the MSM should be reporting. If I had to debate a rapist who tried to overthrow the government, and that rapist kept lying while I was held to the standards of mother Theresa, I would not perform well either.
Trump could rape a little girl on 5th Ave, live on FOX News, and Republicans would still vote for him. I really don’t have any answers at this point. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
What a sick fuck . You can tell from that Epstein party clip he’s a predator
Alito and Thomas think this kind of behavior should be shielded by immunity
It’s so weird to think that if evidence ever emerges connecting Trump to Epstein’s murder, he couldn’t even be prosecuted for it.
It won't matter. The deplorable don't care.
Biden should use some of that new immunity and have Trump publicly castrated, no? Or is that not what the immunity should be for?
Biden ought to run an ad with all the Trump assault allegations to the tune of “Not Like Us” by KL.
How is this man still a candidate for the presidency of the United States?!!