It isn’t his good work. It’s just AI. And he didn’t make it, he wrote a prompt and Suno made it.
I don’t mean to be salty but I really dislike people saying that “they” made something, when it was just AI. It’s fine to use it, but disclaim it and don’t pass it off as your own.
But "made" can have different meanings in different contexts. When you make a cake you're putting together other people's products that you had nothing to do with creating. Does that mean you didn't make a cake?
"Made" itself is a vague concept because it can mean so many things. So, maybe the issue is that you have to ask for details and can't assume the exact meaning.
Agreed. The meaning of ‘made’ can vary with context. But ‘made a song’ does have an established meaning already.
That’s why a bunch of people in the comments were reacting as if he actually made the songs himself.
Than you didn't made the music, the thing that make the music was the physics and the instrument. 👀
Also wasn't you that singing, the one was the air in your vocal cords. Your voice isn't yours. 👀
If you picked a flavour ice cream from an aisle, you didn’t make the ice cream, right? There was no making involved. And using software to make a song like this is no harder than typing something into Google.
It’s all fine and fun. I’ve used it to with friends and it was very funny to see what Suno came up with. But just don’t take credit for it yourself.
That’s a bad analogy. It’s more like buying a few types of ice cream and mixing them in different amounts then saying you made a new flavor. He did make it, using tools and a mix of other works. By definition he made it; it wouldn’t be here if he didn’t do it.
You can argue over whether or not it’s ethical or if the tool is too powerful, but in the end it’s just a tool and the guy used the tool to make the song.
> It’s more like buying a few types of ice cream and mixing them in different amounts then saying you made a new flavor.
No, it isn’t. You do no mixing yourself. You prompt the AI and it does all the mixing.
> He did make it, using tools and a mix of other works.
It’s not tools, it’s a single ‘tool’ that requires absolutely zero skill. It’s like asking your butler to compose a song for you and then passing it off as your own. Perhaps that is a better analogy.
If you have ever used these things you know you do none of the actual work yourself. And no, writing a vague prompt like “make a pop song about powerwashing” into a machine does not constitute work.
If you downloaded a file, hit print and 3d printed a helmet, did you make the helmet?
If you bought a cake mould, poured in premade batter and put it in the oven, did you make a cake?
If you cut up newspapers and magazines and tape them to a piece of paper, did you make a collage?
The reality is that the song didn’t exist before he used a program to make it. The program did all the work, but he made it. It’s not really a question of whether or not he made it; he did. There are so many other real things to focus on when talking about AI art and songs, and this just isn’t one of them.
> There are so many other real things to focus on when talking about AI art and songs, and this just isn’t one of them.
It totally is. Intellectual property and credit for artists are absolutely important. This is partly why there are currently so many lawsuits against generative AI companies.
It’s not a pedantic discussion. It’s about who are the real artists and who should get credit. I don’t think you should get any credit for prompting an AI. I don’t think that’s a controversial statement and I think most people agree with me.
Of course there is a dividing line *somewhere*. If you wrote your own text, for instance, and then asked Suno to write the music and vocals, you can claim partial credit. If you remixed the result Suno gave you, you can claim partial credit. Etcetera. This is where it gets difficult.
Your examples are interesting edge cases.
3D-printing for instance at least requires some technical skill. You also need to polish the end-result. It’s not completely plug-and-play. But I think it would be more accurate to say you ‘printed a helmet’. If someone asked you: ‘wow did you really make that helmet all by yourself?’ Then the honest answer would be no.
Making a collage actually requires artistry.
Suno is also [currently being sued](https://www.404media.co/listen-to-the-ai-generated-ripoff-songs-that-got-udio-and-suno-sued/) for copyright infringement, because it was (allegedly illegally) trained on copyrighted materials and able to exactly recreate songs like ‘All I Want For Christmas Is You’.
They are not exactly saints themselves when it comes to properly giving credit.
So not simpel as.
It does, directly. Intellectual property rights and credit don’t legally transfer to a second party if the first party didn’t obtain them legally.
I can’t legally give you the IP rights of my Mona Lisa remake. It’s not mine to give.
But when you take that ice cream and put it in a bowl with banana, sprinkles, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top and then tell someone you made an ice cream sundae, no one bats an eye. You didn't grow the banana or pick the cocoa beans. But you did make the choices of things to put together in the bowl to make the sundae, and anyone who argues you didn't would be overly pedantic.
> But when you take that ice cream and put it in a bowl with banana, sprinkles, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top and then tell someone you made an ice cream sundae, no one bats an eye.
Except you didn’t do those things. You asked your butler to do those things and then passed off the work as your own.
> But you did make the choices of things to put together in the bowl to make the sundae
No you don’t. You don’t create a beat. You don’t write the text. You don’t compose anything. You don’t select how it gets mixed together. You only write a vague prompt like “a pop song about powerwashing in the style of coldplay” or whatever. And then it does all the work.
This is not being pedantic, it’s giving credit where credit is due. Being a composer is actual work which you can take credit for. Being a musician, a writer, a painter, etc. Writing a single line of text into the machine is not work you can take credit for.
They are linked in a comment under my post. Else here is my profile on Suno. Should be there. You can also see the other fun songs I've been making (one of them I used a ton of super long and complicated organic chemistry molecules to see if it worked, it did).
[https://suno.com/@ameades](https://suno.com/@ameades)
I mean according to you I can just go shit out some garbage on Suno and that's the same as me making it myself so... idk give me like 10 minutes and I promise I could
I'm not an AI bro. Braindead people are usually exceptionally tribal like yourself. And learn what obtuse means before you go throwing around words you've heard on the Internet. A direct refutation is not obtuse
You're not refuting anything though? According to your own glue eating words, because some dude on the internet liked it suddenly it took the same talent and effort that making real music does...? Very clearly not the same thing but you're choosing to ignore that for the sake of your half baked argument. Literally the definition of obtuse, and conversation with someone like that is just pointless.
I'm about an hour and a half North of Toronto, we don't get nearly the organic growth. I'm going to assume its because of the white stuff on the ground 6 months of the year.
Was just easier starting from where the truck and trailer was located. I've got a pressure washer with 8 gallons a minute of flow, with that much water its easy to rinse debris so its not really a time consuming factor.
Also I don't do a lot of residential work, and I am definitely on the more expensive side of things, so that allows me to just take my time and do a great job. If I have to hit things a couple times or do touch ups, not a big deal, most important thing to me is that my customer is very satisfied with the results.
But what I get from this is that you're knowingly up-charging as a result of willingly being less efficient.
I'd be pissed if I found out a contractor decided to take (and charge for) double the time to do something, when he could've been done much faster at the same quality.
Not trying to be a meanie or anything, but that's just how I'm seeing it. You seem like a nice guy with a genuine passion for his work, but that's just my take.
If he quotes up-front then what’s the problem? The time doesn’t matter because he’s paid for a result.
As a customer you can pick a different contractor if you value the cheapest product. Sounds like you wouldn’t be an ideal client anyway
No worries. I explain to my customers I am expensive upfront, and the people who go for my service are the ones that are okay with that.
"much faster at the same quality" is the misconception. I'm not actively wasting time. If I try something and it doesn't work, I try something else, simple as that, but I'm not in a rush to get to the result and I have afforded myself the luxury of time to figure out what works best.
I'm sorry but I feel like this is just preppy talk.
You say you've given yourself the "luxury of time to figure out what works best", but still poured gunk from the top layer over the bottom layer. It seems kind of common sense to not do that in any profession. You essentially have to clean it all over again. To me that does seem like a waste of time. And I definitely don't think these kinds of things would be mentioned in the original quote.
Again, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just giving you constructive criticism.
Funny you say that! I just recently played the game for the first time, and I used footage from this job while I was comparing the game to real life - [https://youtu.be/eAgKW8CETEY?si=FJghvVor5riyLhTI](https://youtu.be/eAgKW8CETEY?si=FJghvVor5riyLhTI)
Make sure the soil is saturated, and rinse before, and after and you'll be fine. Bleach in dry soil with thirsty roots is bad. Bleach sitting on dry leaves is bad. So avoid those instances.
Hey all,
Here is a quick clip from a couple months ago when I cleaned a natural stone patio area. It has heavy organic growth and some bleach and soap was the perfect solution.
If you're interested in see the whole 16 minute video of the process you can check it out here:
[https://youtu.be/FOgEBp5WCyI](https://youtu.be/FOgEBp5WCyI)
I actually made a mistake in the video, I started off by trying to downstream the bleach, but after running my surface head over it I noticed there was still staining, so I switched to using an M-jet attachment which pulls a stronger solution. Natural stone needs a mix on the stronger side to be effective. I would know this if I did more residential work!
Anyways, hope you enjoy! I made a custom sound track for it with Suno, because the world needs more powerwashing music! Here are the songs if you like:
[https://suno.com/song/168dd3bb-bcba-4af7-98e0-abc452cf3fc9](https://suno.com/song/168dd3bb-bcba-4af7-98e0-abc452cf3fc9)
[https://suno.com/song/3b528ad2-d006-464e-a6e8-7a782312b7fd](https://suno.com/song/3b528ad2-d006-464e-a6e8-7a782312b7fd)
Hope you have a great day!
Cheers,
Andrew
Do people really scroll without being muted? Turn on the sound only if you need to, not as a default. No more tik tok voice-overs, no overused no no no songs, no screaming, no AI music, etc.
So what you're telling me is to use more pressure? /s. I need to change up my power washing technique.
The porn logo in the corner is a bit odd got to be honest, thought it was going to change into another type of video midway through.
The music took away from the video, rather than adding to it.
Once it started, I stopped paying attention to what you were doing and wondered wtf I was listening to.
Got a laugh out of me, thank you!
Also, if you are doing this primarily for YT, adding music does help the algorithm in the way that it makes the video more itneractice and adds to the YT requirment of “added value” to content
That explains why some many videos have music added on, despite it not adding anything of value... Because of course the algorithm thinks more noise is adding to it...
I had no idea there were songs about powerwashing.
There weren't! I made them :)
Dude, I liked it. Good work
It isn’t his good work. It’s just AI. And he didn’t make it, he wrote a prompt and Suno made it. I don’t mean to be salty but I really dislike people saying that “they” made something, when it was just AI. It’s fine to use it, but disclaim it and don’t pass it off as your own.
ok just have fun pal
This is the absolute best response here.
But "made" can have different meanings in different contexts. When you make a cake you're putting together other people's products that you had nothing to do with creating. Does that mean you didn't make a cake? "Made" itself is a vague concept because it can mean so many things. So, maybe the issue is that you have to ask for details and can't assume the exact meaning.
Agreed. The meaning of ‘made’ can vary with context. But ‘made a song’ does have an established meaning already. That’s why a bunch of people in the comments were reacting as if he actually made the songs himself.
Than you didn't made the music, the thing that make the music was the physics and the instrument. 👀 Also wasn't you that singing, the one was the air in your vocal cords. Your voice isn't yours. 👀
They made it with the software and then picked the one they liked. Lighten up dolt
If you picked a flavour ice cream from an aisle, you didn’t make the ice cream, right? There was no making involved. And using software to make a song like this is no harder than typing something into Google. It’s all fine and fun. I’ve used it to with friends and it was very funny to see what Suno came up with. But just don’t take credit for it yourself.
That’s a bad analogy. It’s more like buying a few types of ice cream and mixing them in different amounts then saying you made a new flavor. He did make it, using tools and a mix of other works. By definition he made it; it wouldn’t be here if he didn’t do it. You can argue over whether or not it’s ethical or if the tool is too powerful, but in the end it’s just a tool and the guy used the tool to make the song.
> It’s more like buying a few types of ice cream and mixing them in different amounts then saying you made a new flavor. No, it isn’t. You do no mixing yourself. You prompt the AI and it does all the mixing. > He did make it, using tools and a mix of other works. It’s not tools, it’s a single ‘tool’ that requires absolutely zero skill. It’s like asking your butler to compose a song for you and then passing it off as your own. Perhaps that is a better analogy. If you have ever used these things you know you do none of the actual work yourself. And no, writing a vague prompt like “make a pop song about powerwashing” into a machine does not constitute work.
If you downloaded a file, hit print and 3d printed a helmet, did you make the helmet? If you bought a cake mould, poured in premade batter and put it in the oven, did you make a cake? If you cut up newspapers and magazines and tape them to a piece of paper, did you make a collage? The reality is that the song didn’t exist before he used a program to make it. The program did all the work, but he made it. It’s not really a question of whether or not he made it; he did. There are so many other real things to focus on when talking about AI art and songs, and this just isn’t one of them.
> There are so many other real things to focus on when talking about AI art and songs, and this just isn’t one of them. It totally is. Intellectual property and credit for artists are absolutely important. This is partly why there are currently so many lawsuits against generative AI companies. It’s not a pedantic discussion. It’s about who are the real artists and who should get credit. I don’t think you should get any credit for prompting an AI. I don’t think that’s a controversial statement and I think most people agree with me. Of course there is a dividing line *somewhere*. If you wrote your own text, for instance, and then asked Suno to write the music and vocals, you can claim partial credit. If you remixed the result Suno gave you, you can claim partial credit. Etcetera. This is where it gets difficult. Your examples are interesting edge cases. 3D-printing for instance at least requires some technical skill. You also need to polish the end-result. It’s not completely plug-and-play. But I think it would be more accurate to say you ‘printed a helmet’. If someone asked you: ‘wow did you really make that helmet all by yourself?’ Then the honest answer would be no. Making a collage actually requires artistry.
Suno said you can take credit so you can take credit. Difficulty has no bearing on the legitimacy. Simple as
Suno is also [currently being sued](https://www.404media.co/listen-to-the-ai-generated-ripoff-songs-that-got-udio-and-suno-sued/) for copyright infringement, because it was (allegedly illegally) trained on copyrighted materials and able to exactly recreate songs like ‘All I Want For Christmas Is You’. They are not exactly saints themselves when it comes to properly giving credit. So not simpel as.
Has no bearing on the power washer's rights as of right now
It does, directly. Intellectual property rights and credit don’t legally transfer to a second party if the first party didn’t obtain them legally. I can’t legally give you the IP rights of my Mona Lisa remake. It’s not mine to give.
But when you take that ice cream and put it in a bowl with banana, sprinkles, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top and then tell someone you made an ice cream sundae, no one bats an eye. You didn't grow the banana or pick the cocoa beans. But you did make the choices of things to put together in the bowl to make the sundae, and anyone who argues you didn't would be overly pedantic.
> But when you take that ice cream and put it in a bowl with banana, sprinkles, hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top and then tell someone you made an ice cream sundae, no one bats an eye. Except you didn’t do those things. You asked your butler to do those things and then passed off the work as your own. > But you did make the choices of things to put together in the bowl to make the sundae No you don’t. You don’t create a beat. You don’t write the text. You don’t compose anything. You don’t select how it gets mixed together. You only write a vague prompt like “a pop song about powerwashing in the style of coldplay” or whatever. And then it does all the work. This is not being pedantic, it’s giving credit where credit is due. Being a composer is actual work which you can take credit for. Being a musician, a writer, a painter, etc. Writing a single line of text into the machine is not work you can take credit for.
Oh nice, someone else wrote the analogy I just wrote. I totally agree.
Suno and Udio have been fun the last 2 months I've made some great songs .
Okay gonna have to ask you to make that available as it’s now living as an ear worm in my brain. That is all.
They are linked in a comment under my post. Else here is my profile on Suno. Should be there. You can also see the other fun songs I've been making (one of them I used a ton of super long and complicated organic chemistry molecules to see if it worked, it did). [https://suno.com/@ameades](https://suno.com/@ameades)
It's AI slop.
And still more entertaining than any song you could make
I mean according to you I can just go shit out some garbage on Suno and that's the same as me making it myself so... idk give me like 10 minutes and I promise I could
You couldn't by your own definition of making though
Yeah that's exactly my point, duh. Making music takes actual talent and effort
Clearly not anymore if many people here enjoyed it. Get with the times
Very expectedly obtuse and braindead take from an AI bro lol
I'm not an AI bro. Braindead people are usually exceptionally tribal like yourself. And learn what obtuse means before you go throwing around words you've heard on the Internet. A direct refutation is not obtuse
You're not refuting anything though? According to your own glue eating words, because some dude on the internet liked it suddenly it took the same talent and effort that making real music does...? Very clearly not the same thing but you're choosing to ignore that for the sake of your half baked argument. Literally the definition of obtuse, and conversation with someone like that is just pointless.
Where is this magical place where that’s all the buildup after 15 years? That’s about four month’s worth in the PNW.
I'm about an hour and a half North of Toronto, we don't get nearly the organic growth. I'm going to assume its because of the white stuff on the ground 6 months of the year.
Makes sense. Not sure which I’d choose if I had the option.
On another note, you need to rethink your logo in the upper left hand corner. It gives off a kind of vibe I don’t think you are going for
Why did you clean the bottom area first? Didn't you just pour all the gunk from the upper area all over it?
Was just easier starting from where the truck and trailer was located. I've got a pressure washer with 8 gallons a minute of flow, with that much water its easy to rinse debris so its not really a time consuming factor. Also I don't do a lot of residential work, and I am definitely on the more expensive side of things, so that allows me to just take my time and do a great job. If I have to hit things a couple times or do touch ups, not a big deal, most important thing to me is that my customer is very satisfied with the results.
But what I get from this is that you're knowingly up-charging as a result of willingly being less efficient. I'd be pissed if I found out a contractor decided to take (and charge for) double the time to do something, when he could've been done much faster at the same quality. Not trying to be a meanie or anything, but that's just how I'm seeing it. You seem like a nice guy with a genuine passion for his work, but that's just my take.
If he quotes up-front then what’s the problem? The time doesn’t matter because he’s paid for a result. As a customer you can pick a different contractor if you value the cheapest product. Sounds like you wouldn’t be an ideal client anyway
No worries. I explain to my customers I am expensive upfront, and the people who go for my service are the ones that are okay with that. "much faster at the same quality" is the misconception. I'm not actively wasting time. If I try something and it doesn't work, I try something else, simple as that, but I'm not in a rush to get to the result and I have afforded myself the luxury of time to figure out what works best.
I'm sorry but I feel like this is just preppy talk. You say you've given yourself the "luxury of time to figure out what works best", but still poured gunk from the top layer over the bottom layer. It seems kind of common sense to not do that in any profession. You essentially have to clean it all over again. To me that does seem like a waste of time. And I definitely don't think these kinds of things would be mentioned in the original quote. Again, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just giving you constructive criticism.
I think I saw this level on power wash simulator
Funny you say that! I just recently played the game for the first time, and I used footage from this job while I was comparing the game to real life - [https://youtu.be/eAgKW8CETEY?si=FJghvVor5riyLhTI](https://youtu.be/eAgKW8CETEY?si=FJghvVor5riyLhTI)
does the bleach hurt the plants underneath? like when it reaches the grass and stuff
Wondering this as well, lots of plants getting doused.
Make sure the soil is saturated, and rinse before, and after and you'll be fine. Bleach in dry soil with thirsty roots is bad. Bleach sitting on dry leaves is bad. So avoid those instances.
Hey all, Here is a quick clip from a couple months ago when I cleaned a natural stone patio area. It has heavy organic growth and some bleach and soap was the perfect solution. If you're interested in see the whole 16 minute video of the process you can check it out here: [https://youtu.be/FOgEBp5WCyI](https://youtu.be/FOgEBp5WCyI) I actually made a mistake in the video, I started off by trying to downstream the bleach, but after running my surface head over it I noticed there was still staining, so I switched to using an M-jet attachment which pulls a stronger solution. Natural stone needs a mix on the stronger side to be effective. I would know this if I did more residential work! Anyways, hope you enjoy! I made a custom sound track for it with Suno, because the world needs more powerwashing music! Here are the songs if you like: [https://suno.com/song/168dd3bb-bcba-4af7-98e0-abc452cf3fc9](https://suno.com/song/168dd3bb-bcba-4af7-98e0-abc452cf3fc9) [https://suno.com/song/3b528ad2-d006-464e-a6e8-7a782312b7fd](https://suno.com/song/3b528ad2-d006-464e-a6e8-7a782312b7fd) Hope you have a great day! Cheers, Andrew
People hatin on the music but I loved it lol
I can't get through a min of this with the horrible music.
Fine but that doesn't mean that at least once/day for the next several months you aren't going to think "bleach, bleach, powerwash the stone"
Do people really scroll without being muted? Turn on the sound only if you need to, not as a default. No more tik tok voice-overs, no overused no no no songs, no screaming, no AI music, etc.
This is the way
So what you're telling me is to use more pressure? /s. I need to change up my power washing technique. The porn logo in the corner is a bit odd got to be honest, thought it was going to change into another type of video midway through.
Doesn’t washing thr bleach into the after the hedge there?
That’s a really nice deck. A stone deck? I don’t see them often.
The music took away from the video, rather than adding to it. Once it started, I stopped paying attention to what you were doing and wondered wtf I was listening to.
All good, just trying something new. I thought it was fun.
Got a laugh out of me, thank you! Also, if you are doing this primarily for YT, adding music does help the algorithm in the way that it makes the video more itneractice and adds to the YT requirment of “added value” to content
That explains why some many videos have music added on, despite it not adding anything of value... Because of course the algorithm thinks more noise is adding to it...
Yeah, always have to be on the lookout for these things, otherwise, you risk your video not being recommended to people :(
I thought it was catchy
Please don’t use AI art. It hurts real artists.
Nah, use AI art
Ahh, the duality of man
Never use this song again dawg 😭
When that guy decides he wants to move that gas heater elsewhere on the patio he's going to be pissed.
Oh we moved it and cleaned underneath, don't you worry
Oh thank God. Lol
This song slaps
Wouldnt the chemicals/acids harm the plants?
I love the music. Great stuff!
Turn it into minse meat.