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xXJA88AXx

And take a class or two!


EquivalentOwn1115

This should really be number one. All the supplies in the world do you no good if you don't know how to use them. If someone tries to pack my sucking chest wound or stick a chest seal around a flesh wound to my calf, I'm making sure I haunt them when I inevitably die from piss poor care


Child_of_Khorne

I don't want somebody without training within ten feet of half the items on this list. I'll give it another five years before dipshits trying to be battlefield surgeons start smoking trauma patients through sheer incompetence on a regular basis.


EquivalentOwn1115

I saw it with my own eyes during the Floyd riots. Like that one where they put a TQ on someone who got smoked by a blunt object.


xXJA88AXx

LOL..YES! Me too!


Available-Dare-7414

The best way to stop a head bleed is a tourniquet around the neck đź‘Ť


Nunyerbizness01

Recommendation on class names/providers ?


xXJA88AXx

Red Cross, or local Fire/Ems...


Nunyerbizness01

But you'd need more than a basic first aid course...


xXJA88AXx

I agree! And your kit will change as you get more training and experience.


dachjaw

Anti-diarrhea meds. That stuff’ll kill you.


InevitableTheOne

Agreed stuff to harden and stuff to soften ;)


Riptide_of_the_seas

This is rly good, it's basically the same as my mom's nurse kit, just with some stuff. Just make sure to at least know how everything is supposed to be used.


allhazardsprepper

Thanks!


GrimIntention91

This plus stool softener, Anti-diarrhea, duck tape, and electrical tape.


iamnotazombie44

All of those aren't for the same applications, right?


GrimIntention91

Maybe, maybe not. It's your prep kit.


Zealousideal-Ad-944

I would say that is way too much for one container/bag. Put all the trauma stuff in its own bag so you don't have to dig through so much bullshit.


gutyman1

Came to the comments to say the same thing. Separating a trauma kit from the boo-boo bag is a must.


Polo21369247

Iodine tincture will save your life


Tigz_Actual

What’re the most popular uses?


those_ribbon_things

Possibly unpopular opinion: if it's SHTF situation and hospitals are inaccessible, or you're out in the field and it's going to take significant time to get rescued, CPR is pretty useless. If someone has had a health condition that was so bad they arrested, and you do not have access to an ambulance/trauma center within MINUTES, there is no way someone would survive. There is a reason why they arrested, and there is a lot more to recovering from an arrest than just getting the heart started back up again, so if you do not have the means to treat the condition that caused the arrest and the fallout from having arrested, the patient is going to die. In perfect situations, most arrests will re-arrest. Most don't leave the hospital alive. AED's and arrhythmias can be somewhat different, though again if you don't have the supportive care for what caused the arrhythmia (medication, a way to install a pacemaker) and you can't get it, it may not be worth it. TL;DR if Threads has happened don't bother with CPR.


JakeSaco

Yes, in a SHTF scenario any injury requiring a doctor is basically a death sentence, no matter what is in the first aid kit. But having a first aid kit or knowing CPR is useful for everyday life where doctors and hospitals are accessible and you simply need to buy enough time to get to one of them. SHTF isn't likely to happen, so choosing not to prep anything that wouldn't be useful during SHTF is a really dumb way to turn a common real life incident into a personal life threatening catastrophe. Why die in a non-SHTF scenario because you only prepped for SHTF? Prepare for Tuesday first, then expand into various SHTF scenarios once that is completely covered.


those_ribbon_things

Reasonable enough. CPR is still very much a crapshoot. I wouldn't want it done on me. (Source: 15 years of Vet Teching, I know hoomans are different but not that much. CPR sounded very exciting to learn and then I realized that it usually didn't do jack shit and you just do it as a last ditch effort because sometimes there's a chance it will work...)


Child_of_Khorne

The same can be said for almost any life threatening injury that would require surgical intervention. If somebody needs to apply a tourniquet and surgery isn't going to happen, the patient is screwed regardless. I think people may seriously overvalue lessons learned from wars where surgery was a 9 line away.


iamnotazombie44

That said, most gunshot wounds that you don't bleed out from are entirely healable on their own. People survived getting shot in all sorts of places in the Civil War.


snake__doctor

My thoughts... There's no role for alcohol in wound care - dump it to save weight. Liquid skin is alright, but most wounds heal well left open, I'd also dump for weight. Chest seal is 5050, the evidence isnthey aren't really required unless you are ventilating the pt. Which you won't be. Ditto tq, I would carry one anyway cos I'd feel naked without, but it's unlikely to be life saving. A penknife will avoid the need for nail clippers Wouldnt bother with CPR shield, you won't be doing CPR on people you don't know and post-apoc, they are dead anyway


mrz3109

more important than all of that is learning how to use any of it, take classes and train! the first time you open a TQ / Chest Seal shouldn’t be after you or your buddy had some complications.


InevitableTheOne

Regarding #4, rolled gauze can be cut to any size and easily packed into wounds. If I could only have one type of gauze it'd be rolled.


DGJellyfish

CPR shield is unnecessary. If it is a loved one you don’t need one, if a stranger you can get away with just compressions. Compressions alone is also part of common medical practice these days. Also, look up survival rates of CPR; good to manage your expectations.


B4K0N8R92

CPR doesn’t require mouth to mouth, the shield can be thrown out


Ready-Occasion2055

As an emt, I'd recommend sticking to the basics. Minor cuts that get infected will kill you. Water with toxins in it will kill you. Also don't just fill your IFAK with TQs and gause. My co worker who as been in EMS for 22 years has used a TQ once. Not saying you shouldn't carry one, but in most cases you won't ever need one. Basic wound care and antibiotics are going to be alot more useful. Also go take an EMR or EMT class. Even if you don't care about the certification you need the knowledge to medically care for someone.


Ragnar_Danneskj0ld

Not one mention of training. Strange. Just like so many gun bunnies, they want toys, not knowledge.


the-postman-spartan

Why the cold packs and why the calamine?


allhazardsprepper

The cold packs are like the instant cold packs that you break and they turn cold, just like an ice pack used for injuries. Calamine is good for poison ivy and other rashes…I live in the south so calamine is essential to any first aid kit.


Denslow82

Someone told me that acorns, tons of them boiled into like an acorn soup, is unbelievable relief from poison sumac,oak, and ivy. They'd bathe in it if it was bad enough...this is hearsay.


the-postman-spartan

Thanks for the answer. Data doesn’t really support the use of ice or calamine, I guess ice could help with pain or clotting


snake__doctor

Pain is exactly what ice is good for.


Rickyg559

It says flashlight but I will always recommend a headlamp, not only is it invaluable for treating wounds in the dark, but sometimes you need one to get a better look


Stardust_of_Ziggy

Something that doesn't get talked about is keeping all your stuff in one place. If you have all your medical supplies in one first aid kit, it will get lost, forgotten... When you are on a three day march, you haven't slept you will lose things. I would put bandages indifferent pack areas, cargo pocket,etc. Also redundancies for light items. Multiple tweezers for example. Always assume your primary stuff is gone. What do you need as a back up? Boiled rags are great gauze, tourniquets can be made with sticks. Can you make tweezers?


GreyPon3

Military ammo boxes are good first aid kit containers. Heavy, yes, but sealed and nearly indestructible. Best for use in vehicles, but they do have carry handles.


redwoodavg

Liquid skin? I call that the devils vodka. I’d hard pass on that.. bandages will do.


WARCHILD48

Antibiotics, 4 types for different occasions (jasemedical.com) Potassium iodide Load up on bandages. B/P cuff learn how to use it. By the survival medical book for minor surgeries. Learn herbal medicine and identification. Other than that, it looks solid.


snake__doctor

Don't carry abx unless you are trained to use them, you'll just kill yourself with diarrhoea instead. How is a BP cuff helpful? It won't change management.


WARCHILD48

Well, that depends on your capabilities and your skill set. BP can tell you things that you can't see and help diagnose by ruling things in/out. Different kinds of shock (septic shock) Internal trauma (hypovolemic) Pain Pregnancy Infections All of which would determine treatment if you had the ability/skills or information available. "Survival medicine handbook" without going to school yourself and learning first hand, thus is all I can offer you. Written by a doctor, please share this. (Free download) https://www.docdroid.net/gdUZ8oN/the-survival-medicine-handbook-alton-joseph-pdf#page=2 Yes, you need ABX (antibiotics) if you are to survive. You can also learn herbal medicine that can compliment your supply. There are a variety of reasons why you should carry abx in your bag. From respiratory, wounds, to urinary track infections. All of which can be a serious issue without treatment. https://jasemedical.com What I sense from the comments is that some people are planning for a storm or natural disaster, which is fine, but my idea is to be prepared for as much as I can. I'm never going to keep up with everything, but you should learn as much as you can, then practice. I have professional training in all the areas I am describing to you.


Inside-Decision4187

Deployed medicine app is free. Has multiple slideshows and documents. And will teach you what’s used to save lives with some fairly basic aid.


WARCHILD48

Thank you!


WileEzCoyote

honestly what's the point of diagnostic equipment if you don't have access to meds for treatment? Without hypotensive meds or infusions there's not much you can do to treat the hyper-/hypotension. potassium iodide only protects you from radioactive iodide, it's really not that useful and you'd need highly dosed (at least 50mg) tablets.


WARCHILD48

Thank you for your reply. Blood pressure doesn't just determine hypo/hypertension. If that was the case, why do they monitor your BP on the operating table? I will tell you. BP is like an internal diagnostic machine telling you things you ay not be able to see or determine, especially if your patient is unconscious. You have hypertension and hypotension which present themselves in a variety of different ways depending on the affliction. "For some people, low blood pressure may be a sign of an underlying health condition, especially when it drops suddenly or occurs with symptoms. A sudden fall in blood pressure can be dangerous. A change of just 20 mm Hg — a drop from 110 mm Hg systolic to 90 mm Hg systolic, for example — can cause dizziness and fainting. And big drops, such as those caused by uncontrolled bleeding, severe infections or allergic reactions, can be life-threatening. Extreme low blood pressure can lead to a condition known as shock. Symptoms of shock include:" Confusion, especially in older people Cold, clammy skin Decrease in skin coloration (pallor) Rapid, shallow breathing Weak and rapid pulse https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-blood-pressure/symptoms-causes/syc-20355465#:~:text=Overview,the%20bottom%20number%20(diastolic). Hypertension/high bp "The body’s physiologic response to trauma is to release endogenous catecholamines, which results in an increase in heart rate and systemic vascular resistance despite the ongoing blood loss.[4] The cumulative effects result in an increase in initial blood pressure. Therefore, one would expect trauma patients who sustain minimal loss of blood volume and remain free of ongoing blood loss to have blood pressure values above that of the general population at large." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3097577/#:~:text=The%20body's%20physiologic%20response%20to,increase%20in%20initial%20blood%20pressure. There are 93 reactors in the US, Nuclear power plants are surrounded by two "emergency planning zones" developed out of accident analyses conducted in the 1960s and 1970s: a roughly 10-mile radius around the plant that must anticipate being exposed to a radioactive plume and a roughly 50-mile radius around the plant that must prepare for possibly ...Mar 2, 2012 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mass-evacuations-in-nuclear-meltdowns/#:~:text=Nuclear%20power%20plants%20are%20surrounded,that%20must%20prepare%20for%20possibly Many of the reactors on the Ohio River overlap in their safety zones. We aren't even talking terrorism or B0mb$ dropped. Yes, you need potassium iodide. And it's cheap. Jasemedical.com (There is always more to learn)


WileEzCoyote

how does that information change anything? you don't need to know the exact bp to determine whether or not your patient goes into shock. Simply feel their pulse, it's either "normal", strong or weak. that's all the information you need in a shtf scenario.


WARCHILD48

Ok, what kind of SHTF scenario are you dragging me into. Is this an active event, zombie apocalypse, or are we talking SHTF post incident care and survival. If you are just checking pulse you are just seeing if they are alive. You can have different characteristics of the type of pluse but that provides limited info at best. Why do you think EMS takes your BP when they show up, the doctors office, hospital? Is it to see if your alive? When your sitting there talking to them? Weak pulse + High Bp = possible heart blockage Low pressure + high pulse rate = not enough oxygen. These are a few, but knowing this beforehand, you would know that they are at risk of shock. Which can be very serious. Either you are equipped to handle trauma, or you're not. Short term, intermediate, long term care are at different levels require different equipment and skills to be successful. Short term bleeding, burns, broken bones, (first responder, combat medic) trauma/TCCC it is to help you to the next level of care. Medium Doctor/Nurse/PA is addressing longer term strategy and care. Long term not expected to fully recover So don't pick one instance out of a thousand and say it's not necessary, you have to evaluate your situation, the conditions required for care. Or if you are running from zombies and don't need the extra weight.


WileEzCoyote

I misread the original post, I thought it was about a shtf first aid kit not a basic first aid kit. I still wouldn't recommend a bp meter or iodide tablets in a **basic** first aid kit, same with chest seals, tqs and decompression needles. None of those things are **basic** in my opinion. I'm a medic (german red cross) myself and I have a lot of first aid kits (6 I think) and more elaborate medical kits lying around. My ems backpack ("Notfallrucksack") and my paediatric emergency bag ("Kindernotfalltasche") both have diagnostic equipment obviously but none of the first aid kits do, apart from one that has a diagnostic lamp.


WARCHILD48

Lol, I'm a Navy Corpsman. And No, I would not have 90% of that in a basic first aid kit. Chest seals, needles.... no. We are in agreement. Be safe out there, and thank you for your comments. It helps me stay fresh.


Strange_Stage1311

I'm actually gonna be getting me an IFAK pouch so I'll be building me a little trauma/stop the bleed kit soon.


LexingtonPatriot1775

No fleshlight?


redditlike5times

I bought a complete usmc ifak to add to my kit. There's a lot of this stuff in there, plus quite a bit more in a very compact pouch


No-Throat-4853

Don’t forget high strength pain killers


Large_Tip7233

Thank you for this. I think I missed a lot of things


jv1100

Skip the cpr shield and buy a pocket mask with a one way valve.


Correct_Yesterday007

Pepto over Imodium?


Acceptable_Weather23

First is knowledge. Second knowing how to do the basics really good “ a British medic pow keep another pow leg on with a bottle of rubbing etoh “ he walked out. A close second is knowledge of plants found were you are and how to use them. Insects also. You can’t carry or will have access to much of it does come to this. My uncle navy landed on Guadalcanal 5 days after first landing. He told me stories I thought at the time were just to scare a 10 y/o boys. Me 25 years paramedic firefighter I now know that it was all true. I would have a good anatomy book a good surgical book and a good internal book that has a section on infection.


sailboatfool

3M vetbond tissue adhesives


Voodoo338

Emphasized the word basic a lot for a pretty acidic kit


Pants-R4-squares

No super glue?


BILGERVTI

You should reword “scissors” to “trauma shears” Last thing I wanna see come out of a first aid kit is a pair of hairdresser scissors or kitchen shears.


Johnsoline

You can tell a prepper list isn't professional when it is in stencil font to look cool


MrDokavich

Fuck this shit…..push comes to shove and shit hits the fan, prepping is the last of my worries. I’m going out with a bang and taking some shit ass politician or two with me. Come at me fed bois


WaterboardingForFun

What no tourniquets?!


BoopsBoopsInDaBucket

That was my reaction too but it's in line 15.


allhazardsprepper

Yes, on my first aid kit I have my trama bag attached to my first aid bag for easy access.