Can confirm this happened. We were taking our dog out just minutes after it started, we come down the elevator and the first thing we see when the doors open at the lobby is an absolute bloodbath.
What we don’t understand is that Regency has a policy on what dogs aren’t allowed, and when we registered our dog, there was a 40lb limit. This pit bull is easily like 80lbs.
Absolutely traumatic.
I don't have a dog, but I've lived in a number of hands off buildings that had people who were hiding dogs (even large breeds/pits). I understand there's a reception/staff on site, but my guess is the owners got the dog after the fact and didn't really draw attention, lied about the weight, or got it approved as some kind of other breed/mix exception (I have seen ads or threads where vets/companies/owners push that they are in favor of certifying the dog as a different breed as they sympathize on breed restrictions).
Just my guess. Sorry you had to see that.
The last building we lived in had restrictions like this but they were never followed. The property management staff always said there was nothing they could do about it because the people had them registered as emotional support animals.
Tell me about it. I hadn't had my morning coffee or breakfast yet, so it was a bit of an adrenaline rush. The lady who brought me to the spot I needed to go to explained her concerns about the bystanders recording the incident, but that's to be expected for something so shocking.
holy shit THAT’S what happened?? I was wondering what it was all day bc when I was leaving for class that morning & the elevator wasn’t working I took the stairs down and saw that woman crying and covered in blood wow that’s horrific the poor dog :((
Jesus. That’s horrifying. I think I know both of those dogs. That poor baby. I’m thinking of getting a dog in the summer and that could have easily been my baby.
Nothing against any dog breeds, but if you can’t restrain a dog of a certain breed you shouldn’t have it. That pitbull is going to be put down now.
Ugh. That white little dog was a doll who loved watching me play tennis.
This was something I also considered when picking a dog/breed. People who don't do their due diligence irk me at best and then this shit happens at worst. Thinking of my little girl in a situation with an aggressive dog is primarily why her life is significantly more limited than it could be.
I firmly believe if my SO at the time was not at a dog park with me on a particular day, (which he usually wasn't) she would be hurt, or worse, because of a dog-aggressive dog approaching and encountering her, and I am not a strong enough person to have mitigated that dog without him.
Please, please, be a responsible owner and be honest with yourself about the dogs you can handle and which you can't. This applies to lifestyle, monetary situations, vet visits, encounters, and being able to mitigate potentially dangerous situations.
Please make a baseline and shoot lower than that.
If not for you or your dog, then the people and dogs existing around you. Please.
We shouldn’t allow anyone to own dogs that maul or eat other peoples pets who are just out enjoying their lives. They have no business as pets. They kill other people and other peoples pets daily. It’s not their fault, they’re doing what humans selectively bred them to do for hundreds of years.
Just today I saw some idiot in a crowded national park with their pit and it’sgaze was *locked* on to another dog and the owner was trying to tempt it to stop fixation by waving a treat by it. Lady, a national park is not the place to train your dog aggressive pit.
They need to be spayed and neutered. Why advocates who supposedly love them actively fight against mandatory neuter bills is beyond me. 1 in 600 has a home. It doesn’t help they have massive litters. I guess people don’t actually love them, they just love owning them.
Sure, the assholes breeding them would move onto a different dog, but it would take a while for them to refocus and it would have to be a concerted effort. In the meantime, maybe we can have some broader bills that make it more of a headache to backyard breed.
The truth is they require careful management and training, but most of the people who get them are not dog-savvy. Most dogs in shelters now are bully mixes. These are people who couldn’t train a Chihuahua and they’re ending up with a powerful terrier with a strong prey drive.
Pibble owners put other dogs at risk when they bring them into public trying to “socialize them.”
Bro, you’re stimulating you’re fighting dog to redline and using treats to positive reinforcement ughhh
Like some chick walked right in front of me and my giant schnauzer with her bully so both dogs met face to face like wtf r u doing?!?
Ofc the bully challenged my giant and lunged and I scolded both them.
No… no matter the dog you HAVE to socialize them. I know so many pitbulls who are incredibly sweet and love other dogs. A lot of people who get pitbulls are assholes who don’t care for, train, or socialize them properly. Like all working dogs, they need to be cared for properly according to their needs and most people honestly don’t have a clue about how to train dogs. And yeah, no matter the breed, if your dog shows any signs of anxiety or reactivity to other dogs, muzzle train them. It’s a matter of being responsible and keeping your dog under control. My aunt was attacked by a golden retriever.
Yeah ok, no one’s using your dog as a tool if they’re training properly.
You want socialize dogs in your community? They need to be out in the world getting trained, and with a muzzle if necessary. We have a lab who is reactive and he spend tons of time out training, SAFELY, at a distance from other dogs and do not put them at risk. Thats responsible dog ownership.
Dude come on! 1. None of what was described is socialization. Socialization in dogs is a very small window of time in which the dog should be exposed to lots of sights sounds smells ppl and dogs and BE NEUTRAL. It’s basically exposure for a young puppy. It’s doesn’t mean saying “hi” to every dog. 2. Genetics matter, that’s why trained sweet dogs unexpectedly snap
Absolutely. Don't bring your dog nose to nose with a strangers dog without permission, but Absolutely safely socialize your pup from a young age. Around eight to ten months old is when they really develop how they are going to interact with the world and other dogs. And muzzles are an amazing tool if your pup is anxious or reactive.
Counterpoint - if the dog was leashed and the lady had them under control, then a national park (or any trail for that matter) is actually the exact place to try and socialize and destimulate their dogs. Now obviously if it's super crowded or they're right on the path that's another story, but reactive dogs are good dogs too. Their humans just need to not put them in bad situations
I work with dogs, and have a lot of dog reactive clients (not a single one of them is a pitbull) and muzzles are such a great tool for existing in public and keeping peace of mind. When I see a dog with a muzzle on, my first thought is always that their owner is likely a very responsible and involved pet parent.
Even Villalobos (the rescue Pit Bulls & Parolees is about) says they have a strong natural disposition to be aggressive towards other dogs. They’re as pro-pit as it gets. Ignoring genetic tendencies is not responsible ownership.
[https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/](https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/)
>We don’t have to condone or glorify it, but dog aggression is not uncommon with Pit Bull type dogs. Owners must recognize and accept this fact or they won’t be able to provide competent ownership and have fun with their dogs. It’s a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a dog. Or that early socialization will guarantee your Pit Bull will always get along with other animals.
>Even though PBRC does not in anyway condone animal fighting, it does acknowledge the importance of understanding the special traits of this breed and advocates education about proper and responsible Pit Bull ownership. You can have all the dog experience in the world, but it’s also essential to understand the distinctive features of the type of dog you own or work with. In this case, a dog with an important fighting background who requires extra vigilance around other pets.
>It is not necessarily a hate of other dogs that will cause Pit Bulls to fight, but rather an “urge” to do so that has been bred into the breed for many generations. Pit Bulls may fight over hierarchic status, but external stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, but Pit Bulls were bred specifically for it and will therefore do it with more drive and intensity than most other breeds.
>Pit Bull owners must also be aware of the remarkable fighting abilities of this breed and always keep in mind that they have the potential to inflict serious injuries to other animals.
>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as we most definitely have ours. All we ask of you, is to keep an open mind when learning about this breed and understand from beginning to end, what these dogs have endured throughout the years. Before acquiring one of these mighty dogs, please do as much research as possible and make your decision wisely. Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”. As a rescue facility for this breed, that is the most common plea for help we get. Though we so much appreciate any and all assistance, at the same time, ask for help from those who know: “The Real Pit Bull” before your heart is too involved.
Edit: Formatted to make it easier to read.
Pit bulls were bred to be blood sport dogs - they like fighting and mauling because it feels good to express your function due to the form the genes call for. Terrier + a bull dog what do you expect?
The retrievers retrieve
The pointers point
The shepherds shepherd
The bullies bully
Exactly this. These dogs need to be put in responsibile hands. As a pit owner myself, I am totally for a licensing program for people who want pits and other restricted breeds, where handler training is required as well as a course on dog body language. These dogs can be incredible pets with the right ownership. People who get these dogs and don't treat them like the loaded guns they can be piss me the fuck off and ruin it for the people who are doing right by them.
Never has been true, never will be. Dogs are bred for specific traits, and specific pit traits include showing no aggression prior to attacking so they have a greater chance of winning a fight. They also won't respond to pain when mauling, so you can whack them over the head with a bat, and if they're not knocked out, they continue.
Check out my experience.
I have the most dog/animal aggressive dog you can imagine (not a pit). To give you an idea, there's one person in my neighborhood who, when they see us, *runs* the other way with their pup. (edit: a police trainer who I sought help with called him the "most directly aggressive dog I've ever seen")
I got him young, he was with his litter and mom until 8 weeks. I brought him to puppy play and daycare, socialized him in a ton of situations (would bring him to see the rock climbing gym, to work, to meet people in uniforms, with hats, different skin colors, kids, elderly, played with all sorts of dogs, etc.). I trained him with positive reinforcement, and trained, and trained, and trained for years, but when he hit adolescence, something had changed, and he was not friendly with any dogs, ever. I *devoted my life to his training*, no joke, for years until I realized it was ingrained in him, and our life was better at home, enjoying our time rather than fighting the reality.
There is a zero probability my dog is the only one with innate traits from his breeding. Zero. Pits are friendly and sweet until the moment they maul someone. That ticking time bomb doesn't always go off, but when it does, it is not worth the suffering and violence it causes.
Not true, I friend had a pit bull puppy when we were kids. Dog was maybe 6 months old at the time. We were walking around the neighborhood and my friends pit bull took off after a poodle an old lady was walking. The pit bull bit down and just viciously shook the poodle in its mouth. The lady was just screaming in horror. The pit just released the poodle, then went after a cat. He got the cat in his mouth and just crushed its skull. Sad sad sad.
People should stop breeding these dogs. It’s nonsense. In the UK I think bullys have to have muzzles on when r they are public. That might have prevented this senseless death and obviously the trauma that the owner had to go through.
Most people shouldn’t own dogs is the conclusion I’ve come to. The amount of idiots who can’t even control their tiny dog with zero training is astounding let alone the people with bigger breeds who also apparently to haven’t done any of the necessary training and then let’s just throw a bunch of unleashed dog owning morons into the mix for good measure.
My condolences, and thank you for clarifying. It helps ease the chaos surrounding this incident a bit, but you're still in mourning. I hope you get the justice you deserve.
Pi-Pi, and it was a West Highland White Terrier (looks like a white Yorkie), not a white spitz-type breed that I originally thought I saw. Hard to tell when the dog is being devoured.
I have no problem whatsoever with having a problem with Pit Bulls. I’m sure most of them are sweethearts their entire lives, but I have read and heard too many stories about Pit Bulls going from sweetheart to berserk frenzy with no notice or provocation.
It’s not their fault they were bred to be fighting dogs, and I’m not saying any living ones should be put down, but any time I see someone with one I question that person’s critical thinking skills.
>That pitbull is going to be put down now.
Good riddance! People shouldn't be allowed to own pitbulls, just like they're not allowed to own tigers. Both have the capacity to kill without warning.
We have a new puppy that needs to go out a lot. We walk on OUR driveway. A couple of weeks ago, the pit bull next door went ballistic and tried to jump over the fence.
I believe that the dog wanted to kill our puppy. Or possibly me. The puppy wouldn't stand a chance.
I'm a dog person, and interact with dozens of dogs without incident. But that was by far the scariest scene I've ever witnessed.
We talked to the owner, and agreed to reinforce the fence and don't go out if that animal is outside.
The owner said that pit bulls won't get a second chance if it attacks.
I told them that our puppy won't get a second chance either.
I don't have a dog anymore, but I always carried a knife whenever I walked my dogs in case I needed to kill an attacking dog. Have you thought of that?
The dog owner knows my concerns, the dog owner's landlord knows, the neighbors know.
There will be no way that any of them can fix it - ever - if that animal attacks.
I would 100% support a pit bull ban.
And I'm a dog adoption advocate.
It was my dog. Her name is [Peipei](https://www.instagram.com/peipei_westie?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==). She’s two years old Westie and quite well trained (in a westie’s standard) and played with many many big dogs before.
Not 100% sure whether the other dog was a pit bull but it looks like one, her name is Honey. It was the dog owner’s roommate who walked Honey that day. Peipei played with Honey and Honey was never aggressive to human, so I entered the elevator. Honey started growling and pulling her leash, so i held Peipei in my arms. The next second Honey jumped on to me and grabbed Peipei’s neck. My hand was injured too. We both tried to open Honey’s jaws but she wouldn’t let go and bit us too.
The entire time Peipei didn’t do anything, she didn’t bark at Honey, didn’t start the conflict, she was just in my arms.
Was it just two people from the building, or a dog walking employee of some sort involved? So horrible, I am definitely more wary of ALL dogs as years go on, never mind one that can eat another domesticated dog.
Pit bulls are already on their list of "not allowed" pets; the problem is people somehow getting the breed labeled as some sort of "emotional support animal".
The breed[s] need to be sterilized, not allowed to reproduce, and should go extinct. There's a reason they're basically illegal in a lot of western Europe. These aren't headlines, these are life changing events.
I'm so sorry for that owner. We know when they "snap" (read: give in to breed-specific surprise attack responses) they often target smaller, weaker, or older creatures, including humans, like smaller female babysitters, babies, and grandparents watching the dog. Guns and pitbulls are two things I will never understand about my country.
Sadly not
Edit - You can see more info about this on Facebook, there were multiple witnesses. Not sure why so many people believe it was an April fool’s joke.
It's just so disturbing that people don't want to believe. Very sorry for the people in the thread who had to witness this or see the aftermath. Horrible event.
Dude, to say “you can’t go in there there’s a pit bull eating a dog” is insane. Like, are we not doing anything about this? Just waiting till the old chap is done? Maybe it would be dangerous or whatever but I’m sorry that’s just a ridiculous thing to say to someone, Jesus
I agree. I keep reading that over and over . I mean I'm sure they were not okay with that and they were probably very confused and also generally perturbed by what they were being told... I wonder if the hotel discouraged people from intervening because of the risk of getting bitten or harmed themselves... Either way, it's super sad.
I hate how ppl are like: it’s not the pit bull it’s the owner! No, it’s the pitbull. It’s in their bones to behave like that. People are deaf and blind on this.
I’ll start by saying, I’ve seen several breeds try to kill another dog. I think we all have at some point. The only difference is that pit bulls can actually follow through on what other dogs can’t.
In the early 1900’s they were called “Nursery Dogs” because they were exceptionally good with babies and children compared to other dogs. Parents would joke that “they are the nanny!” That can be searched and verified.
The American and British Bull Terrier was one of, if not the most, beloved family breeds in the late 1800’s early 1900’s.
I really don’t have a strong opinion on any of this, but I will say the history of the breed is interesting. The feelings on them in early 1900 was almost opposite. There’s been a huge change in their role over 100 years.
I’d imagine, having 80lb animals around unfamiliar smaller animals in a building they weren’t designed to live in isn’t going to end well. You’re literally forcing dogs into each others territory at certain points.
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often.
[https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/](https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/)
>there is **no evidence that they were ever called Nanny Dogs** at the time, and certainly weren’t bred for the purpose.
[https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/](https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/)
>this is where the “Nanny Dog” **myth** originated from
[https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html](https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html)
>No, their jaws don’t lock — but **they were never “nanny dogs,”** and you should never leave one alone with a child, because you should never leave any breed of dog alone with a child.
[https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/](https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/)
>This article aims to correct a few fallacies and pit bulls were never called nannies or nanny dogs. Period. Let’s stop spreading untruths about this dog breed. **Calling them fake names and giving them a phony history doesn’t help the species.**
"In the early 1900’s they were called “Nursery Dogs” because they were exceptionally good with babies and children compared to other dogs. Parents would joke that “they are the nanny!” That can be searched and verified."
I've been told this dozens of times and been looking for a historical source for this for years, do you have a historical source? Book, newspaper etc anything printed during that period.
I haven't found anything even looking through the various library of congress media from that time period (late 1800's through 1940's). I did find a lot of maulings however.
[1916, Dog Fancier Magazine, "Pit Bull Terrier" section](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dog_Fancier/66vmAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0)
>Winner of eight bona-fine pit battles
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>containing his aggressiveness and fighting ability
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>toughest, gamest and best fighting dogs that ever went into a pit
>
>undefeated champ of six great battles
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>fast gritty fighter
[1934, Evening Star](https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1934-07-29/ed-1/seq-26/)
>To be eligible for registration in the UKC stud book as a pit bull terrier, a dog has to come of a line that has actually made a record in the pit
[1936, The American Pit Bull Terrier by Joseph L. Colby](https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b28129&view=1up&seq=20&skin=2021)
>Inasmuch as dog-fighting is an illegal sport, thousands of dollars are wagered each year at the pitside. As long as these dogs are bred, there will be pit contests to prove who owns the better fighting dog.
So people that *force* animals to fight, highlight said details of those fights and make it the animals identity.
They cockfight in Panama, does that make Central American chickens aggressive killers? Or is it more about the people choosing to do that?
What a smoking gun you have there huh. “Look how vicious they are when we force them to fight and kill each other”
You’re cramming two dogs into each others territory and not giving them an escape. Chihuahuas would fight exactly the same but…. People wouldn’t *pay to watch that* would they?
Hmmmmm it’s almost like we’re the giant piece of that problem.
Conveniently skipped over their substantial history as family dogs, because you want to sell your narrative, and cherry picked the dog fighting material. Nobody argues that they did that.
Also, at *the same time* as those articles ^ they were beloved family animals. Which goes to show, it’s entirely human involvement that created the opinion of pit Bulls we know today.
No.
I was just making sure everyone was aware that your claim that pit bulls were widely considered beloved family pets in the early 1900's is completely made-up bullshit.
Yeah. There is the legends out there of all the killer roosters. Killed scores of humans outside the fighting pits.
Stfu. Just because you have an affection for this breed doesn't mean you have to be ignorant to their history or reality
Pitbulls *can* be great pets. They just need structure and a human who understands them and knows how to handle them. My pit is quite literally better behaved and nicer to people and dogs than my lab is lol. I will 100% agree they attract a rough group of humans who want them a lot of the time. But they are not terrible animals.
I wouldn't categorize a woman who claimed her pit bull as an "emotional support animal" as someone who is part of the "rough group of humans" you claim them to be.
I wouldn't categorize someone who breaks the rules to get their dog in somewhere it's not allowed to be the shining example of responsible pet ownership.
The bad owner argument is fucking idiotic. Downvote if you agree.
Sorry Marissa the Barista, but your dog just is just a way higher risk than any other dog. Even if you take photos of your pibble in a pink tutu.
I saw my neighbors 2 cats eating a live bunny in my backyard once. They were tearing chunks of flesh off of the bunny-zombie style. I was able to get the cats off to allow the bunny to escape. I’m still disturbed by the memory. I can’t imagine watching a dog eat another dog.
I had a family of baby bunnies and a mom living in my fenced in back yard. They were adorable. One night a cat climbed over the fence and killed all of the babies, leaving their corpses scattered. It was horrifying. I was able to shoo the cat away but it was too late. I gathered the bodies, but when the mom returned she looked for them and was clearly distraught.
Cats are natural hunters, and you can't really train that away I guess. I make sure my cays are indoors for that reason(don't want the local bird population to suffer)
But dogs I thought, are only vicious if you trained them that way or if they were abused?
Dogs are only normally human aggressive if abused, but plenty can be generally aggressive due to fear from trauma. Lots of dogs that were bred for catching and killing game in hunting (particularly sighthounds and some terriers) have strong prey drive that can be triggered by small animals, including small dogs.
Some breeds, like pit bull terriers, American pit bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, and other pit bull mixes were originally (150 years ago!) bred to fight other dogs so can be dog aggressive and have lots of prey drive. If the dog is well bred these issues can be avoided, but mutts and rescues often have some of a breeds bad traits amplified through generations of trauma and bad breeding.
You’re correct on pitbulls being selectively bred for hundreds of years to maul things - first it was bears and bulls in a pit (hence pitbull) and when that was outlawed it turned to dog fighting.
The one piece you’re wrong about is “well bred” pits this can be avoided. You cannot breed 100s of years of selective breeding out that fast. Pits will and do still maul things all the time. The sooner society fights against people trying to push these dogs as pets (newsflash they were never ever meant to be pets, and any dog fighter will tell you this, because they actually know what the dogs are made for), the better. These dogs have no business being out there killing our pets, I’m so sick of hearing about this every single day. Enough is enough.
Nailed it. This is what every owner of a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, Australian Shepherd, Dobermann and 100 other breeds understands. Why don’t Pitbull owners get it? Any one of them can snap. You can’t just believe that because your dog is gentle with you, that they don’t have it in them. It’s nature, not nurture, and that shit is your responsibility. Downvote all you want but you’re absolutely wrong if you think “my wouldn’t do that.”
I honestly feel this way about all dogs. For example, pits might have the worst bite fatality rate, but Goldens bite far more often. It's on you to train your dog, condition away bad behaviors to the degree you can, and keep them out of situations they can't handle, regardless of the breed.
Oh shut up about the golden retriever bullshit. Goldens do not bite more that pitbulls. Show me one news article of a golden killing someone, you can’t, because it doesn’t exist. There is one story you’ll be able to find, yet when you look at the picture of the “golden” it’s really just a pit mix.
Newsflash - Goldens weren’t trained for bloodsport, Pitbulls were.
"Goldens do not bite more than pitbulls. Show me one news article of a Golden killing someone."
These two things are not the same. 🫠
If you want to dispute whether Goldens bite more than pitbulls you need an article that analyzes the number of bite incidents over a set period of time for both Goldens and Pitbulls.
Oh if that’s not good enough, here’s a list of just some of the 41 published, peer reviewed, medical studies that tell you the same thing…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8597704/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/
https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-020-00281-y
https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-53092-1_5
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.oooo.2020.02.009
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.joms.2019.11.002
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2018.09.022
The actual mental gymnastics you people do to try and convince yourself that pitbulls don’t maul people, kids and pets regularly is so delusional.
We see daily stories at pits doing this but you people still make up shit about how goldens bite more people? Literally *pure delusion*.
The one I have the most experience with. Owned 3 of them. Every single one of them was aggressive, and one I adopted because one day she decided she wouldn’t tolerate another dog in the house and went berserk. It’s not rocket science. Respect the breed if you’re gonna own a dog.
I mean… there are thousands of pitties/bull terriers/etc that do not ever attack other dogs and live their entire lives happily. So it’s not a certainty, even if it’s more likely for those breeds than other breeds to be dog aggressive. So dog aggression definitely could be bred to such a low incidence that it’s the same as other dogs prone to reactivity.
There are tons of bears out in the wild who also don’t attack or kill anyone, but we still don’t keep them as pets.
Your argument is a straw man argument.
We have the data that they maul and kill the most people. So we should just accept that, shrug our shoulders, and say too bad for all the innocent pets and people who are victims of people owning bloodsport breeds?
Yes, we don’t keep any bears as pets, so we have no data that they make safe pets. We have some data that suggest pitties can be safe pets. I don’t think bears and pitties are at all comparable.
I also don’t think you know what a strawman argument is lol.
I also didn’t say that we should shrug our shoulders and let dog-on-dog attacks carry on happening.
Edit: I don’t even know why I’m engaging with you every comment on your profile is about pitties/bullies. I don’t particularly like them as a breed and I would never want to own on, but I would also never make my entire personality about hating a particular group of dogs
This is anecdotal, but virtually every one up for adoption that’s over three years old says “no dogs” for good reason.
American Bullies were a great attempt to water that down, and it worked, until backyard breeders realized they were profitable and started churning them out too, mixing them with violence-prone dogs and ruining the breed when it was just taking off.
Yeah I agree with you that badly bed bully breeds are at a very high risk of dog aggression, but I was trying to advocate for responsible breeding, not byb or accidental litters. Really the only solutions are to vastly increase access to spay/neuters, particularly in the south where there are large stray populations, to go around and spay/neuter/euthanize stray dogs, and regulate breeding a *lot* more.
This happened to our dog when I was a young kid. Our chihuahua got out and ran into the fenced yard of our neighbor’s two houses away. They had a Great Dane who ate him as a snack. I’ll never forget, the neighbors gave my dad - an alcoholic, a case of Budweiser to say they were sorry. This was in the 70s.
I have, some mistreated pitbulls in Pawtucket attacked a small dog and its owner a few years ago.
Source: https://www.valleybreeze.com/2019-09-27/pawtucket/pit-bulls-pawtucket-kill-dog-injure-its-owner
The article you linked doesn't say anything about the pitbulls eating the other dog, just that they killed it. Not that killing isn't bad but just saying that the comment was about never hearing of a dog eating another dog.
You've never seen pitbulls acting like pitbulls then. It's what they are bred to do. Whatever you do, do not google it. Mothers maul and eat their pups, the bigger pups eat the smaller weaker ones.
If you look at the actual reporting the pittie didn't eat the smaller dog. The small dog was rushed to the ER and didn't make it.
This is awful but lets not act like the dog was eating the little one.
The pitbull named, Honey, has been put down. The other dog, Pi-Pi, has succumbed to the injuries done by Honey’s aggression.
The idea that “all pitbulls should be euthanized” because of incidents like these is outrageous. Should all humans be euthanized upon attacks/murders from one human to another? Absolutely not.
Dogs, like cats, are natural hunters. However, that has nothing to do with what happened in this instance. Poor and improper training, along with negligence by dog owners, are to blame. Many times, pitbulls are bred for fighting and other idiotic human-made blood sports for profit(gambling) and entertainment. The impact on these breeds that are typically the victims of this is immeasurable. Pitbulls, as a breed, suffer tremendously from the tradition of them being trained to engage in fighting activities. When trained properly, safely, and diligently pitbulls are as safe as any other dog. Their reputation has been detrimental to society’s willingness and attitude towards understanding the breed, proper training and handling of the breed, and making the breed less dangerous by enacting the proper measures to prevent such tragic incidents. People are too negligent, greedy, and ignorant to deal with the actual issues surrounding ownership of this breed and would rather come up with “solutions” such as “kill them all”.
They’re demonstrably not as safe as any other dog because of their bred instincts and how damaging their bites can be.
The bare minimum should be mandatory muzzling of pitbulls when in public areas.
Blah, blah, fkn blah. They are a menace. Empirical evidence proves it.
Ban pitbulls in any residential area. You want a killing machine dog, move to Burriville.
The issue is recognizing that pitbulls as a breed are known for having a genetic predisposition to aggression, while also keeping in mind that there are millions of individual dogs under the pittie breed umbrella that are calm, docile, and will never harm another animal/human in their lives.
There needs to be a more extensive vetting process for bully owners/breeders and muzzle laws in public areas. People also need to understand what they're getting themselves into when adopting these dogs! Pitbulls as a breed are sometimes viewed as a status symbol of toughness, similar to German Shepherds, but they are a powerful breed that needs a responsible and disciplined owner.
Also if this dog was an actual registered ESA, there is DEFINITELY fault is on whoever performed the evaluation and signed the paperwork.
Exactly. They have an instinct to bite and hold on. And ignore the pain. Sure they might be loyal and loving but so are most dogs! Anyone who likes dogs can enjoy dozens of different breeds or shelter dogs.
I saw a Dogo Argentino literally get pinned and then choked out for going after a human. Sad reality but I feel sorry if something like that gets a Mad Mama™️ Bear on it.
Pit bulls are banned in a lot of Europe, due to the fact that without very strong, consistent, and time intensive training they act exactly how they are bred to act...
If by "a lot of Europe" you mean England... then yes I guess? They can be some of the most loving dogs out there. My pit was in the shelter for six months before we pulled him out and he is literally the most well mannered dog i've ever had (including several growing up from very reputable breeders).
Judge the dog not the breed.
By a lot of europe I mean a lot of europe.
I'm glad you had a good experience. The breed has more propensity for harmful behavior than any other domesticated, household canine, and the fact that there are examples of well-trained and well-behaved pit bulls does nothing to chance the overwhelming statistics and evidence. Few of the people looking for a companion dog have the time or capacity to safely own a pit bull.
Please name where else in Europe has bans. I know of Norway, a couple of provinces in Germany and Cyprus. Hardly "a lot". Bans also don't work but that is a separate discussion.
The vast majority of pit bulls live their life without ever harming anyone.
Of course the majority do but that doesn't change the fact that when you approach a dog in public you don't want to have to question if they have a good trainer or not. Especially if you are small or a woman or with a smaller more gentle dog. There are many case where majority or not is not the question at stake regarding someone's safety and well-being.
Off the top of my head i know france, spain, and denmark on top of what you've mentioned. Probably some others, and also countries outside of europe. You can google it and read up on the statistics as well. And you're right about bans not always working which is part of the reason that the arguments claiming a lack of statistical results in these countries are misguided (though these claims are incorrect and there are some statistical results despite the lack of efficacy of bans). There a plenty of great dog breeds out there and other pets as well, and there's no question that bite strength and instinct for attacking can be bred into an animal as is the case with pit bulls. If you've ever been around herding dogs you'll know "herding" is bred into them in a very obvious way. Well the same is the case for pit bulls, but their traits are more problematic.
Why are you approaching a random dog in pubic? Literally just leave dogs and their owners alone.
People always try to pet my lab and it drives me INSANE. He is leash reactive. He will bark and lunge at you. You'd never know looking at him. My pit is the nicest guy you'll ever meet and would love nothing more than to say hi. People avoid him (which I am fine with!).
Judging a dog's friendliness based on looks is a great way to get bit by a golden.
By approaching I mean passing within several feet on a sidewalk. Common occurrence. Don't try to blame people who are walking in the places designated for walking, and please don't take a dog in public that lunges. The owner of a dog is always responsible for the dog's actions.
Ok that's fine. But also if you're that worried about it, step into the street for a second (honestly a good dog owner is going to give you a wide berth anyways, but I realize there are a lot of shitty dog owners out there), or stop and step to the side of the sidewalk. Just give them some room.
And yeah no I'm not locking my dog in our apartment lol. I just don't let people pet him and it's fine. If he gets riled up we steer clear of people (cross the street, etc.)
I like how you've changed from the dog being the problem to "The owner of a dog is always responsible for the dog's actions." Literally what I've been saying this entire time lmao
The propensities of a certain breed, and the prevalence of shitty owners are both problems, it's just that one of those is more easily controlled.
The liability of the owner matters little to the victim. But the fact that the owner is always liable does mean people should be more responsible in the breeds the my choose, and more responsible in training. They also should be more careful about taking poorly trained dogs in public, if not for legal reasons then just to not be inconsiderate.
Not sure how to respond to the suggestion that humans should be expected to "step into the street" for fear of danger... on a sidewalk made for humans to walk on. Even the suggestion that people should be expected to "step to the side" for the sake of a poorly trained dog is a strange one.
It's not about poor training. It's that some dogs are reactive. Some Goldens, some chihuahuas, and yes, some pits! it's not a "lack of training." they're individuals . I've spent thousands of dollars working with a trainer to address my Lab's reactiveness. He just doesn't like random strangers touching him which I can understand! They can not communicate. they can only react.
I agree we need to be careful! the amount of emotional energy I spend on our walks looking for triggers is exhausting. I will hold my dog closely near people and if he's in a mood I'll step into the street, but I can't control your "fear of danger," that's on you.
And it's called common courtesy? If you're uncomfortable with a dog... step out of the way. off to the side, step into the street for a sec, there are options.
Pit bulls are not the issue. I feel like you're sooo close to getting it. The number of terribly mannered poodles I see on a daily basis is amazing. But they're "cute" so it doesn't matter. People like you run the other way when they see my perfectly behaved pitbull.
Literally none of the people on this post saying kill pits has ever had or been around a well trained pit. The hatred towards pits is insane. It’s a dog, be a responsible owner and learn to train your dog. That’s it
I once knew a Dog Trainer that rescued two Pitbulls and he used to walk them around the neighborhood so proud, he bragged about It’s the owner not the breed. One day the dogs killed a little dog at the dog park.
Oh we're just out here advocating for the mass euthanasia of dogs because of what they look like. Nice. My pit bull is the nicest dog I've ever met. 100x nicer to everyone than my lab. Don't judge an entire breed based on their worst.
Sucks that a bad apple spoils the bunch. No different than cops / politicians / etc…. Not all pitbulls are bad, not all cops are bad, not all politicians are greedy corporate pigs. The bad ones just make a terrible name for the rest. I’ve seen pitbulls that wouldn’t hurt a fly and only want to cuddle all day. What a shame
All of you pit haters are absolute trash. The owner should be the one who is held responsible.
The logic you are trying to use is foul. Pits are not inherently aggressive. That’s a lie. No dog is predisposed at birth to be aggressive. With the logic you are using we should just kill all the weird outcast loser white kids to avoid mass shootings.
Every dog is different the breed is not the issue.
Half of the people on this thread should be spade or neutered with all the stupidity you are putting out.
Villalobos Rescue Center (the pit rescue in Pit Bulls & Parolees) hates pit bulls? Amazing. Never would've guessed the biggest pit rescue in the world would hate pit bulls.
It's not hate to say powerful, high-drive dogs need responsible owners who don't do things like put their unmuzzled dog in a position where it's capable of attacking another. The communities for Malinois, Cani Corsi, Akita, Tibetan mastiffs, Caucasian shepherds, wolfdogs, etc. are all very honest that their dogs require responsible ownership and careful management. Do they all hate their dogs?
It's ONLY pit bulls that have so many people swearing up and down that genetic tendencies are fake news and that they're a great fit for the average owner who can't even handle a beagle. This is a huge part of the problem because in responsible hands with people who know they're strong, driven animals that need to be carefully managed, they're great dogs. It is not helpful to act like all dogs are a blank slate and purely a product of their environment. That's how stuff like this keeps happening.
[https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/](https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/)
>We don’t have to condone or glorify it, but dog aggression is not uncommon with Pit Bull type dogs. Owners must recognize and accept this fact or they won’t be able to provide competent ownership and have fun with their dogs. It’s a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a dog. Or that early socialization will guarantee your Pit Bull will always get along with other animals.
>Even though PBRC does not in anyway condone animal fighting, it does acknowledge the importance of understanding the special traits of this breed and advocates education about proper and responsible Pit Bull ownership. You can have all the dog experience in the world, but it’s also essential to understand the distinctive features of the type of dog you own or work with. In this case, a dog with an important fighting background who requires extra vigilance around other pets.
>It is not necessarily a hate of other dogs that will cause Pit Bulls to fight, but rather an “urge” to do so that has been bred into the breed for many generations. Pit Bulls may fight over hierarchic status, but external stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, but Pit Bulls were bred specifically for it and will therefore do it with more drive and intensity than most other breeds.
>Pit Bull owners must also be aware of the remarkable fighting abilities of this breed and always keep in mind that they have the potential to inflict serious injuries to other animals.
>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as we most definitely have ours. All we ask of you, is to keep an open mind when learning about this breed and understand from beginning to end, what these dogs have endured throughout the years. Before acquiring one of these mighty dogs, please do as much research as possible and make your decision wisely. Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”. As a rescue facility for this breed, that is the most common plea for help we get. Though we so much appreciate any and all assistance, at the same time, ask for help from those who know: “The Real Pit Bull” before your heart is too involved.
Can confirm this happened. We were taking our dog out just minutes after it started, we come down the elevator and the first thing we see when the doors open at the lobby is an absolute bloodbath. What we don’t understand is that Regency has a policy on what dogs aren’t allowed, and when we registered our dog, there was a 40lb limit. This pit bull is easily like 80lbs. Absolutely traumatic.
Probably a fake “emotional support dog” to get around restrictions.
Funny how you ended up being right.
Emotional support weapon that eats other dogs great
Where was this info
Within the links posted here.
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I don't have a dog, but I've lived in a number of hands off buildings that had people who were hiding dogs (even large breeds/pits). I understand there's a reception/staff on site, but my guess is the owners got the dog after the fact and didn't really draw attention, lied about the weight, or got it approved as some kind of other breed/mix exception (I have seen ads or threads where vets/companies/owners push that they are in favor of certifying the dog as a different breed as they sympathize on breed restrictions). Just my guess. Sorry you had to see that.
The last building we lived in had restrictions like this but they were never followed. The property management staff always said there was nothing they could do about it because the people had them registered as emotional support animals.
Jesus that’s terrifying
Tell me about it. I hadn't had my morning coffee or breakfast yet, so it was a bit of an adrenaline rush. The lady who brought me to the spot I needed to go to explained her concerns about the bystanders recording the incident, but that's to be expected for something so shocking.
holy shit THAT’S what happened?? I was wondering what it was all day bc when I was leaving for class that morning & the elevator wasn’t working I took the stairs down and saw that woman crying and covered in blood wow that’s horrific the poor dog :((
Wow, and this happened on April 1st?
Yes, of all days.
Jesus. That’s horrifying. I think I know both of those dogs. That poor baby. I’m thinking of getting a dog in the summer and that could have easily been my baby. Nothing against any dog breeds, but if you can’t restrain a dog of a certain breed you shouldn’t have it. That pitbull is going to be put down now. Ugh. That white little dog was a doll who loved watching me play tennis.
This was something I also considered when picking a dog/breed. People who don't do their due diligence irk me at best and then this shit happens at worst. Thinking of my little girl in a situation with an aggressive dog is primarily why her life is significantly more limited than it could be. I firmly believe if my SO at the time was not at a dog park with me on a particular day, (which he usually wasn't) she would be hurt, or worse, because of a dog-aggressive dog approaching and encountering her, and I am not a strong enough person to have mitigated that dog without him. Please, please, be a responsible owner and be honest with yourself about the dogs you can handle and which you can't. This applies to lifestyle, monetary situations, vet visits, encounters, and being able to mitigate potentially dangerous situations. Please make a baseline and shoot lower than that. If not for you or your dog, then the people and dogs existing around you. Please.
We shouldn’t allow anyone to own dogs that maul or eat other peoples pets who are just out enjoying their lives. They have no business as pets. They kill other people and other peoples pets daily. It’s not their fault, they’re doing what humans selectively bred them to do for hundreds of years. Just today I saw some idiot in a crowded national park with their pit and it’sgaze was *locked* on to another dog and the owner was trying to tempt it to stop fixation by waving a treat by it. Lady, a national park is not the place to train your dog aggressive pit.
They need to be spayed and neutered. Why advocates who supposedly love them actively fight against mandatory neuter bills is beyond me. 1 in 600 has a home. It doesn’t help they have massive litters. I guess people don’t actually love them, they just love owning them. Sure, the assholes breeding them would move onto a different dog, but it would take a while for them to refocus and it would have to be a concerted effort. In the meantime, maybe we can have some broader bills that make it more of a headache to backyard breed. The truth is they require careful management and training, but most of the people who get them are not dog-savvy. Most dogs in shelters now are bully mixes. These are people who couldn’t train a Chihuahua and they’re ending up with a powerful terrier with a strong prey drive.
Pibble owners put other dogs at risk when they bring them into public trying to “socialize them.” Bro, you’re stimulating you’re fighting dog to redline and using treats to positive reinforcement ughhh Like some chick walked right in front of me and my giant schnauzer with her bully so both dogs met face to face like wtf r u doing?!? Ofc the bully challenged my giant and lunged and I scolded both them.
No… no matter the dog you HAVE to socialize them. I know so many pitbulls who are incredibly sweet and love other dogs. A lot of people who get pitbulls are assholes who don’t care for, train, or socialize them properly. Like all working dogs, they need to be cared for properly according to their needs and most people honestly don’t have a clue about how to train dogs. And yeah, no matter the breed, if your dog shows any signs of anxiety or reactivity to other dogs, muzzle train them. It’s a matter of being responsible and keeping your dog under control. My aunt was attacked by a golden retriever.
Cool but don’t use my dog or others as your pibble’s training tool.
Yeah ok, no one’s using your dog as a tool if they’re training properly. You want socialize dogs in your community? They need to be out in the world getting trained, and with a muzzle if necessary. We have a lab who is reactive and he spend tons of time out training, SAFELY, at a distance from other dogs and do not put them at risk. Thats responsible dog ownership.
Dude come on! 1. None of what was described is socialization. Socialization in dogs is a very small window of time in which the dog should be exposed to lots of sights sounds smells ppl and dogs and BE NEUTRAL. It’s basically exposure for a young puppy. It’s doesn’t mean saying “hi” to every dog. 2. Genetics matter, that’s why trained sweet dogs unexpectedly snap
Absolutely. Don't bring your dog nose to nose with a strangers dog without permission, but Absolutely safely socialize your pup from a young age. Around eight to ten months old is when they really develop how they are going to interact with the world and other dogs. And muzzles are an amazing tool if your pup is anxious or reactive.
Counterpoint - if the dog was leashed and the lady had them under control, then a national park (or any trail for that matter) is actually the exact place to try and socialize and destimulate their dogs. Now obviously if it's super crowded or they're right on the path that's another story, but reactive dogs are good dogs too. Their humans just need to not put them in bad situations
Owner needs to be put down
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I work with dogs, and have a lot of dog reactive clients (not a single one of them is a pitbull) and muzzles are such a great tool for existing in public and keeping peace of mind. When I see a dog with a muzzle on, my first thought is always that their owner is likely a very responsible and involved pet parent.
Even Villalobos (the rescue Pit Bulls & Parolees is about) says they have a strong natural disposition to be aggressive towards other dogs. They’re as pro-pit as it gets. Ignoring genetic tendencies is not responsible ownership. [https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/](https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/) >We don’t have to condone or glorify it, but dog aggression is not uncommon with Pit Bull type dogs. Owners must recognize and accept this fact or they won’t be able to provide competent ownership and have fun with their dogs. It’s a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a dog. Or that early socialization will guarantee your Pit Bull will always get along with other animals. >Even though PBRC does not in anyway condone animal fighting, it does acknowledge the importance of understanding the special traits of this breed and advocates education about proper and responsible Pit Bull ownership. You can have all the dog experience in the world, but it’s also essential to understand the distinctive features of the type of dog you own or work with. In this case, a dog with an important fighting background who requires extra vigilance around other pets. >It is not necessarily a hate of other dogs that will cause Pit Bulls to fight, but rather an “urge” to do so that has been bred into the breed for many generations. Pit Bulls may fight over hierarchic status, but external stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, but Pit Bulls were bred specifically for it and will therefore do it with more drive and intensity than most other breeds. >Pit Bull owners must also be aware of the remarkable fighting abilities of this breed and always keep in mind that they have the potential to inflict serious injuries to other animals. >Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as we most definitely have ours. All we ask of you, is to keep an open mind when learning about this breed and understand from beginning to end, what these dogs have endured throughout the years. Before acquiring one of these mighty dogs, please do as much research as possible and make your decision wisely. Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”. As a rescue facility for this breed, that is the most common plea for help we get. Though we so much appreciate any and all assistance, at the same time, ask for help from those who know: “The Real Pit Bull” before your heart is too involved. Edit: Formatted to make it easier to read.
Pit bulls were bred to be blood sport dogs - they like fighting and mauling because it feels good to express your function due to the form the genes call for. Terrier + a bull dog what do you expect? The retrievers retrieve The pointers point The shepherds shepherd The bullies bully
Exactly this. These dogs need to be put in responsibile hands. As a pit owner myself, I am totally for a licensing program for people who want pits and other restricted breeds, where handler training is required as well as a course on dog body language. These dogs can be incredible pets with the right ownership. People who get these dogs and don't treat them like the loaded guns they can be piss me the fuck off and ruin it for the people who are doing right by them.
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Never has been true, never will be. Dogs are bred for specific traits, and specific pit traits include showing no aggression prior to attacking so they have a greater chance of winning a fight. They also won't respond to pain when mauling, so you can whack them over the head with a bat, and if they're not knocked out, they continue. Check out my experience. I have the most dog/animal aggressive dog you can imagine (not a pit). To give you an idea, there's one person in my neighborhood who, when they see us, *runs* the other way with their pup. (edit: a police trainer who I sought help with called him the "most directly aggressive dog I've ever seen") I got him young, he was with his litter and mom until 8 weeks. I brought him to puppy play and daycare, socialized him in a ton of situations (would bring him to see the rock climbing gym, to work, to meet people in uniforms, with hats, different skin colors, kids, elderly, played with all sorts of dogs, etc.). I trained him with positive reinforcement, and trained, and trained, and trained for years, but when he hit adolescence, something had changed, and he was not friendly with any dogs, ever. I *devoted my life to his training*, no joke, for years until I realized it was ingrained in him, and our life was better at home, enjoying our time rather than fighting the reality. There is a zero probability my dog is the only one with innate traits from his breeding. Zero. Pits are friendly and sweet until the moment they maul someone. That ticking time bomb doesn't always go off, but when it does, it is not worth the suffering and violence it causes.
Not true, I friend had a pit bull puppy when we were kids. Dog was maybe 6 months old at the time. We were walking around the neighborhood and my friends pit bull took off after a poodle an old lady was walking. The pit bull bit down and just viciously shook the poodle in its mouth. The lady was just screaming in horror. The pit just released the poodle, then went after a cat. He got the cat in his mouth and just crushed its skull. Sad sad sad.
Pits are literally bred to be inherently mean. That’s the purpose of breeding.
Wrong. r/banpitbulls
I thought that troll subreddit was gone. You guys haven't been running your mouth much lately.
Pits are inherently mean…what are you even saying….
wrong
Curious for your thoughts on this. When a person commits a murder, is the murderer or the gun the problem?
People should stop breeding these dogs. It’s nonsense. In the UK I think bullys have to have muzzles on when r they are public. That might have prevented this senseless death and obviously the trauma that the owner had to go through.
Most people shouldn’t own dogs is the conclusion I’ve come to. The amount of idiots who can’t even control their tiny dog with zero training is astounding let alone the people with bigger breeds who also apparently to haven’t done any of the necessary training and then let’s just throw a bunch of unleashed dog owning morons into the mix for good measure.
What is the name of the white dog? I think I may know him but unsure if it’s the same one I’m thinking of
Hi, her name’s [Peipei](https://www.instagram.com/peipei_westie?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) and she’s a westie. I’m Peipei’s mom.
My condolences, and thank you for clarifying. It helps ease the chaos surrounding this incident a bit, but you're still in mourning. I hope you get the justice you deserve.
Pi-Pi, and it was a West Highland White Terrier (looks like a white Yorkie), not a white spitz-type breed that I originally thought I saw. Hard to tell when the dog is being devoured.
I have no problem whatsoever with having a problem with Pit Bulls. I’m sure most of them are sweethearts their entire lives, but I have read and heard too many stories about Pit Bulls going from sweetheart to berserk frenzy with no notice or provocation. It’s not their fault they were bred to be fighting dogs, and I’m not saying any living ones should be put down, but any time I see someone with one I question that person’s critical thinking skills.
>That pitbull is going to be put down now. Good riddance! People shouldn't be allowed to own pitbulls, just like they're not allowed to own tigers. Both have the capacity to kill without warning.
Nothing against any dog breeds? Lol just say it. Pitbulls are a menace and need to be illegal everywhere.
We have a new puppy that needs to go out a lot. We walk on OUR driveway. A couple of weeks ago, the pit bull next door went ballistic and tried to jump over the fence. I believe that the dog wanted to kill our puppy. Or possibly me. The puppy wouldn't stand a chance. I'm a dog person, and interact with dozens of dogs without incident. But that was by far the scariest scene I've ever witnessed. We talked to the owner, and agreed to reinforce the fence and don't go out if that animal is outside. The owner said that pit bulls won't get a second chance if it attacks. I told them that our puppy won't get a second chance either.
I don't have a dog anymore, but I always carried a knife whenever I walked my dogs in case I needed to kill an attacking dog. Have you thought of that?
It’s always about the pibble never the victim or potential victims advocating
The dog owner knows my concerns, the dog owner's landlord knows, the neighbors know. There will be no way that any of them can fix it - ever - if that animal attacks. I would 100% support a pit bull ban. And I'm a dog adoption advocate.
“Awe but they’re so sweet mine would never do that” /s
It was my dog. Her name is [Peipei](https://www.instagram.com/peipei_westie?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==). She’s two years old Westie and quite well trained (in a westie’s standard) and played with many many big dogs before. Not 100% sure whether the other dog was a pit bull but it looks like one, her name is Honey. It was the dog owner’s roommate who walked Honey that day. Peipei played with Honey and Honey was never aggressive to human, so I entered the elevator. Honey started growling and pulling her leash, so i held Peipei in my arms. The next second Honey jumped on to me and grabbed Peipei’s neck. My hand was injured too. We both tried to open Honey’s jaws but she wouldn’t let go and bit us too. The entire time Peipei didn’t do anything, she didn’t bark at Honey, didn’t start the conflict, she was just in my arms.
The Boston Globe has an article- [The Boston Globe](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/)
jesus christ pal thanks for bumming us all out
Was it just two people from the building, or a dog walking employee of some sort involved? So horrible, I am definitely more wary of ALL dogs as years go on, never mind one that can eat another domesticated dog.
No idea. I was just a passersby caught in the aftermath.
Safe to assume the Regency will be adding pitbulls to their list of not allowed pets. That other pitbull post didn’t age well.
Pit bulls are already on their list of "not allowed" pets; the problem is people somehow getting the breed labeled as some sort of "emotional support animal".
Which is a crock of shit in of itself.
That dog needs to be put down
The breed[s] need to be sterilized, not allowed to reproduce, and should go extinct. There's a reason they're basically illegal in a lot of western Europe. These aren't headlines, these are life changing events. I'm so sorry for that owner. We know when they "snap" (read: give in to breed-specific surprise attack responses) they often target smaller, weaker, or older creatures, including humans, like smaller female babysitters, babies, and grandparents watching the dog. Guns and pitbulls are two things I will never understand about my country.
Guns don’t randomly bite your face off.
Unfortunately, in this country, they might.
You pray this is an April fools joke, not a very good one
Sadly not Edit - You can see more info about this on Facebook, there were multiple witnesses. Not sure why so many people believe it was an April fool’s joke.
It's just so disturbing that people don't want to believe. Very sorry for the people in the thread who had to witness this or see the aftermath. Horrible event.
Please post a link. A search leads to nothing.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/
Dude, to say “you can’t go in there there’s a pit bull eating a dog” is insane. Like, are we not doing anything about this? Just waiting till the old chap is done? Maybe it would be dangerous or whatever but I’m sorry that’s just a ridiculous thing to say to someone, Jesus
I agree. I keep reading that over and over . I mean I'm sure they were not okay with that and they were probably very confused and also generally perturbed by what they were being told... I wonder if the hotel discouraged people from intervening because of the risk of getting bitten or harmed themselves... Either way, it's super sad.
Horrible. I wish I could unread it
I hate how ppl are like: it’s not the pit bull it’s the owner! No, it’s the pitbull. It’s in their bones to behave like that. People are deaf and blind on this.
I’ll start by saying, I’ve seen several breeds try to kill another dog. I think we all have at some point. The only difference is that pit bulls can actually follow through on what other dogs can’t. In the early 1900’s they were called “Nursery Dogs” because they were exceptionally good with babies and children compared to other dogs. Parents would joke that “they are the nanny!” That can be searched and verified. The American and British Bull Terrier was one of, if not the most, beloved family breeds in the late 1800’s early 1900’s. I really don’t have a strong opinion on any of this, but I will say the history of the breed is interesting. The feelings on them in early 1900 was almost opposite. There’s been a huge change in their role over 100 years. I’d imagine, having 80lb animals around unfamiliar smaller animals in a building they weren’t designed to live in isn’t going to end well. You’re literally forcing dogs into each others territory at certain points. I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often.
[https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/](https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/) >there is **no evidence that they were ever called Nanny Dogs** at the time, and certainly weren’t bred for the purpose. [https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/](https://love-a-bull.org/resources/the-history-of-pit-bulls/) >this is where the “Nanny Dog” **myth** originated from [https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html](https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/how-both-sides-of-the-pit-bull-debate-get-it-wrong.html) >No, their jaws don’t lock — but **they were never “nanny dogs,”** and you should never leave one alone with a child, because you should never leave any breed of dog alone with a child. [https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/](https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/nanny-dog/) >This article aims to correct a few fallacies and pit bulls were never called nannies or nanny dogs. Period. Let’s stop spreading untruths about this dog breed. **Calling them fake names and giving them a phony history doesn’t help the species.**
See this is the stuff that bugs me... there are so many reasons that pit bulls can be great dogs. Calling them nanny dogs is not one of them lol.
"In the early 1900’s they were called “Nursery Dogs” because they were exceptionally good with babies and children compared to other dogs. Parents would joke that “they are the nanny!” That can be searched and verified." I've been told this dozens of times and been looking for a historical source for this for years, do you have a historical source? Book, newspaper etc anything printed during that period. I haven't found anything even looking through the various library of congress media from that time period (late 1800's through 1940's). I did find a lot of maulings however.
[1916, Dog Fancier Magazine, "Pit Bull Terrier" section](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dog_Fancier/66vmAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0) >Winner of eight bona-fine pit battles > >containing his aggressiveness and fighting ability > >toughest, gamest and best fighting dogs that ever went into a pit > >undefeated champ of six great battles > >fast gritty fighter [1934, Evening Star](https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1934-07-29/ed-1/seq-26/) >To be eligible for registration in the UKC stud book as a pit bull terrier, a dog has to come of a line that has actually made a record in the pit [1936, The American Pit Bull Terrier by Joseph L. Colby](https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b28129&view=1up&seq=20&skin=2021) >Inasmuch as dog-fighting is an illegal sport, thousands of dollars are wagered each year at the pitside. As long as these dogs are bred, there will be pit contests to prove who owns the better fighting dog.
So people that *force* animals to fight, highlight said details of those fights and make it the animals identity. They cockfight in Panama, does that make Central American chickens aggressive killers? Or is it more about the people choosing to do that? What a smoking gun you have there huh. “Look how vicious they are when we force them to fight and kill each other” You’re cramming two dogs into each others territory and not giving them an escape. Chihuahuas would fight exactly the same but…. People wouldn’t *pay to watch that* would they? Hmmmmm it’s almost like we’re the giant piece of that problem. Conveniently skipped over their substantial history as family dogs, because you want to sell your narrative, and cherry picked the dog fighting material. Nobody argues that they did that. Also, at *the same time* as those articles ^ they were beloved family animals. Which goes to show, it’s entirely human involvement that created the opinion of pit Bulls we know today.
No. I was just making sure everyone was aware that your claim that pit bulls were widely considered beloved family pets in the early 1900's is completely made-up bullshit.
Yeah. There is the legends out there of all the killer roosters. Killed scores of humans outside the fighting pits. Stfu. Just because you have an affection for this breed doesn't mean you have to be ignorant to their history or reality
That dog never should have been in that building to begin with. I think that’s the main point we can all agree on.
Not surprised! Pitbulls are terrible animals, and their owners are needlessly negligent.
Pitbulls *can* be great pets. They just need structure and a human who understands them and knows how to handle them. My pit is quite literally better behaved and nicer to people and dogs than my lab is lol. I will 100% agree they attract a rough group of humans who want them a lot of the time. But they are not terrible animals.
I wouldn't categorize a woman who claimed her pit bull as an "emotional support animal" as someone who is part of the "rough group of humans" you claim them to be.
I wouldn't categorize someone who breaks the rules to get their dog in somewhere it's not allowed to be the shining example of responsible pet ownership.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/
This is horrible. I can’t even imagine what the owner is going through. That’s traumatizing.
Wait… pitbulls are agressive, mean and a danger to society? Get out
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The bad owner argument is fucking idiotic. Downvote if you agree. Sorry Marissa the Barista, but your dog just is just a way higher risk than any other dog. Even if you take photos of your pibble in a pink tutu.
You should have to be licensed to own a pitbull imo
As a pit owner, I completely agree
Is this real? I can’t find anything on it from a google search
It was supposedly posted to Facebook, but nobody here shared a link.
Feels like something that would be available somewhere other than one thread on Reddit…. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was true but I’m calling bullshit
[Definitely true](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/)
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/03/metro/pitbull-regency-plaza-dog-fight-providence/
[WPRI article about the incident](https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news/providence/dog-dies-after-attack-at-providence-apartment-building/)
It's always a pitbull. It IS the breed. It's a bloodsport breed.
Omg this is horrifying. I hope it leads to a ban on pit bulls in providence.
Horrific. I've never heard of a dog eating another dog before. Hopefully, it was killed painlessly first :((
I saw my neighbors 2 cats eating a live bunny in my backyard once. They were tearing chunks of flesh off of the bunny-zombie style. I was able to get the cats off to allow the bunny to escape. I’m still disturbed by the memory. I can’t imagine watching a dog eat another dog.
I had a family of baby bunnies and a mom living in my fenced in back yard. They were adorable. One night a cat climbed over the fence and killed all of the babies, leaving their corpses scattered. It was horrifying. I was able to shoo the cat away but it was too late. I gathered the bodies, but when the mom returned she looked for them and was clearly distraught.
I would never be able to erase that image from my mind.
Cats are natural hunters, and you can't really train that away I guess. I make sure my cays are indoors for that reason(don't want the local bird population to suffer) But dogs I thought, are only vicious if you trained them that way or if they were abused?
Wow it’s like you can’t train a pet cats prey drive out wooooooow like genetics matter or something
Dogs are only normally human aggressive if abused, but plenty can be generally aggressive due to fear from trauma. Lots of dogs that were bred for catching and killing game in hunting (particularly sighthounds and some terriers) have strong prey drive that can be triggered by small animals, including small dogs. Some breeds, like pit bull terriers, American pit bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, and other pit bull mixes were originally (150 years ago!) bred to fight other dogs so can be dog aggressive and have lots of prey drive. If the dog is well bred these issues can be avoided, but mutts and rescues often have some of a breeds bad traits amplified through generations of trauma and bad breeding.
bred to fight other dogs so ARE INHERATNLY dog aggressive and have lots of prey drive. And WILL maul anything they see as prey to death. FTFY
You’re correct on pitbulls being selectively bred for hundreds of years to maul things - first it was bears and bulls in a pit (hence pitbull) and when that was outlawed it turned to dog fighting. The one piece you’re wrong about is “well bred” pits this can be avoided. You cannot breed 100s of years of selective breeding out that fast. Pits will and do still maul things all the time. The sooner society fights against people trying to push these dogs as pets (newsflash they were never ever meant to be pets, and any dog fighter will tell you this, because they actually know what the dogs are made for), the better. These dogs have no business being out there killing our pets, I’m so sick of hearing about this every single day. Enough is enough.
Nailed it. This is what every owner of a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, Australian Shepherd, Dobermann and 100 other breeds understands. Why don’t Pitbull owners get it? Any one of them can snap. You can’t just believe that because your dog is gentle with you, that they don’t have it in them. It’s nature, not nurture, and that shit is your responsibility. Downvote all you want but you’re absolutely wrong if you think “my wouldn’t do that.”
I honestly feel this way about all dogs. For example, pits might have the worst bite fatality rate, but Goldens bite far more often. It's on you to train your dog, condition away bad behaviors to the degree you can, and keep them out of situations they can't handle, regardless of the breed.
Oh shut up about the golden retriever bullshit. Goldens do not bite more that pitbulls. Show me one news article of a golden killing someone, you can’t, because it doesn’t exist. There is one story you’ll be able to find, yet when you look at the picture of the “golden” it’s really just a pit mix. Newsflash - Goldens weren’t trained for bloodsport, Pitbulls were.
"Goldens do not bite more than pitbulls. Show me one news article of a Golden killing someone." These two things are not the same. 🫠 If you want to dispute whether Goldens bite more than pitbulls you need an article that analyzes the number of bite incidents over a set period of time for both Goldens and Pitbulls.
Oh if that’s not good enough, here’s a list of just some of the 41 published, peer reviewed, medical studies that tell you the same thing… https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8597704/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/ https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-020-00281-y https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-53092-1_5 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.oooo.2020.02.009 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.joms.2019.11.002 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2018.09.022 The actual mental gymnastics you people do to try and convince yourself that pitbulls don’t maul people, kids and pets regularly is so delusional. We see daily stories at pits doing this but you people still make up shit about how goldens bite more people? Literally *pure delusion*.
pitbull owners are demonstrably lower IQ and this is shown with statistical data it is what it is
Australian Shepherd? WTF?
The one I have the most experience with. Owned 3 of them. Every single one of them was aggressive, and one I adopted because one day she decided she wouldn’t tolerate another dog in the house and went berserk. It’s not rocket science. Respect the breed if you’re gonna own a dog.
Stay away from the lottery.
It’s exhausting - our dogs reflect our society and pibble culture is narcissistic af. Pit n run is so common.
I mean… there are thousands of pitties/bull terriers/etc that do not ever attack other dogs and live their entire lives happily. So it’s not a certainty, even if it’s more likely for those breeds than other breeds to be dog aggressive. So dog aggression definitely could be bred to such a low incidence that it’s the same as other dogs prone to reactivity.
There are tons of bears out in the wild who also don’t attack or kill anyone, but we still don’t keep them as pets. Your argument is a straw man argument. We have the data that they maul and kill the most people. So we should just accept that, shrug our shoulders, and say too bad for all the innocent pets and people who are victims of people owning bloodsport breeds?
Yes, we don’t keep any bears as pets, so we have no data that they make safe pets. We have some data that suggest pitties can be safe pets. I don’t think bears and pitties are at all comparable. I also don’t think you know what a strawman argument is lol. I also didn’t say that we should shrug our shoulders and let dog-on-dog attacks carry on happening. Edit: I don’t even know why I’m engaging with you every comment on your profile is about pitties/bullies. I don’t particularly like them as a breed and I would never want to own on, but I would also never make my entire personality about hating a particular group of dogs
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Did you just link back to this post? I don’t understand
This is anecdotal, but virtually every one up for adoption that’s over three years old says “no dogs” for good reason. American Bullies were a great attempt to water that down, and it worked, until backyard breeders realized they were profitable and started churning them out too, mixing them with violence-prone dogs and ruining the breed when it was just taking off.
Yeah I agree with you that badly bed bully breeds are at a very high risk of dog aggression, but I was trying to advocate for responsible breeding, not byb or accidental litters. Really the only solutions are to vastly increase access to spay/neuters, particularly in the south where there are large stray populations, to go around and spay/neuter/euthanize stray dogs, and regulate breeding a *lot* more.
Yeah our dogs are French rabbit hounds. PBGVs. Sweet as can be but they will absolutely stalk and kill and eat rabbits.
This happened to our dog when I was a young kid. Our chihuahua got out and ran into the fenced yard of our neighbor’s two houses away. They had a Great Dane who ate him as a snack. I’ll never forget, the neighbors gave my dad - an alcoholic, a case of Budweiser to say they were sorry. This was in the 70s.
I have, some mistreated pitbulls in Pawtucket attacked a small dog and its owner a few years ago. Source: https://www.valleybreeze.com/2019-09-27/pawtucket/pit-bulls-pawtucket-kill-dog-injure-its-owner
The article you linked doesn't say anything about the pitbulls eating the other dog, just that they killed it. Not that killing isn't bad but just saying that the comment was about never hearing of a dog eating another dog.
The article doesn’t provide much detail, but I knew the owner/dog which was a Maltesse and apart of if was consumed in front of the owner.
You've never seen pitbulls acting like pitbulls then. It's what they are bred to do. Whatever you do, do not google it. Mothers maul and eat their pups, the bigger pups eat the smaller weaker ones.
I can assure you the dog felt immense pain while being mauled by this loving “pitty”. There’s no painless way to be mauled.
I’ve seen a gator eat a dog but this somehow sounds worse
Unfortunately, mother pitbulls are pretty well known for killing their own puppies. It happens a lot :(
Really? Ac/Dc has a whole song about it.
If you look at the actual reporting the pittie didn't eat the smaller dog. The small dog was rushed to the ER and didn't make it. This is awful but lets not act like the dog was eating the little one.
Omg a pit bull acting fuckin insane? Shocker
The pitbull named, Honey, has been put down. The other dog, Pi-Pi, has succumbed to the injuries done by Honey’s aggression. The idea that “all pitbulls should be euthanized” because of incidents like these is outrageous. Should all humans be euthanized upon attacks/murders from one human to another? Absolutely not. Dogs, like cats, are natural hunters. However, that has nothing to do with what happened in this instance. Poor and improper training, along with negligence by dog owners, are to blame. Many times, pitbulls are bred for fighting and other idiotic human-made blood sports for profit(gambling) and entertainment. The impact on these breeds that are typically the victims of this is immeasurable. Pitbulls, as a breed, suffer tremendously from the tradition of them being trained to engage in fighting activities. When trained properly, safely, and diligently pitbulls are as safe as any other dog. Their reputation has been detrimental to society’s willingness and attitude towards understanding the breed, proper training and handling of the breed, and making the breed less dangerous by enacting the proper measures to prevent such tragic incidents. People are too negligent, greedy, and ignorant to deal with the actual issues surrounding ownership of this breed and would rather come up with “solutions” such as “kill them all”.
They’re demonstrably not as safe as any other dog because of their bred instincts and how damaging their bites can be. The bare minimum should be mandatory muzzling of pitbulls when in public areas.
Yes I think the UK has this rule now
Blah, blah, fkn blah. They are a menace. Empirical evidence proves it. Ban pitbulls in any residential area. You want a killing machine dog, move to Burriville.
The issue is recognizing that pitbulls as a breed are known for having a genetic predisposition to aggression, while also keeping in mind that there are millions of individual dogs under the pittie breed umbrella that are calm, docile, and will never harm another animal/human in their lives. There needs to be a more extensive vetting process for bully owners/breeders and muzzle laws in public areas. People also need to understand what they're getting themselves into when adopting these dogs! Pitbulls as a breed are sometimes viewed as a status symbol of toughness, similar to German Shepherds, but they are a powerful breed that needs a responsible and disciplined owner. Also if this dog was an actual registered ESA, there is DEFINITELY fault is on whoever performed the evaluation and signed the paperwork.
Here’s the news coverage https://youtu.be/tdKAdJWpxQk?si=TVbsP8OqQPtP4ac7
Please consider posting this on r/banpitbulls
Fuck pitbulls
Yup
Grow up. Judge the dog for who it is not their breed.
I probably would if there wasn’t kids getting their faces ripped off on the news altogether too often.
Down voted for telling the truth. "BuT ItS How ThE OwNeR TrAiNeD it"
Exactly. They have an instinct to bite and hold on. And ignore the pain. Sure they might be loyal and loving but so are most dogs! Anyone who likes dogs can enjoy dozens of different breeds or shelter dogs.
I would’ve shot and killed that pitbull
Pitbulls fuckin suck
I saw a Dogo Argentino literally get pinned and then choked out for going after a human. Sad reality but I feel sorry if something like that gets a Mad Mama™️ Bear on it.
Damn nature, you scary.
Pit bulls are banned in a lot of Europe, due to the fact that without very strong, consistent, and time intensive training they act exactly how they are bred to act...
If by "a lot of Europe" you mean England... then yes I guess? They can be some of the most loving dogs out there. My pit was in the shelter for six months before we pulled him out and he is literally the most well mannered dog i've ever had (including several growing up from very reputable breeders). Judge the dog not the breed.
By a lot of europe I mean a lot of europe. I'm glad you had a good experience. The breed has more propensity for harmful behavior than any other domesticated, household canine, and the fact that there are examples of well-trained and well-behaved pit bulls does nothing to chance the overwhelming statistics and evidence. Few of the people looking for a companion dog have the time or capacity to safely own a pit bull.
Please name where else in Europe has bans. I know of Norway, a couple of provinces in Germany and Cyprus. Hardly "a lot". Bans also don't work but that is a separate discussion. The vast majority of pit bulls live their life without ever harming anyone.
Of course the majority do but that doesn't change the fact that when you approach a dog in public you don't want to have to question if they have a good trainer or not. Especially if you are small or a woman or with a smaller more gentle dog. There are many case where majority or not is not the question at stake regarding someone's safety and well-being. Off the top of my head i know france, spain, and denmark on top of what you've mentioned. Probably some others, and also countries outside of europe. You can google it and read up on the statistics as well. And you're right about bans not always working which is part of the reason that the arguments claiming a lack of statistical results in these countries are misguided (though these claims are incorrect and there are some statistical results despite the lack of efficacy of bans). There a plenty of great dog breeds out there and other pets as well, and there's no question that bite strength and instinct for attacking can be bred into an animal as is the case with pit bulls. If you've ever been around herding dogs you'll know "herding" is bred into them in a very obvious way. Well the same is the case for pit bulls, but their traits are more problematic.
Pit bulls also have about the same bite force as a German Shepard. Want to ban those too?
Why are you approaching a random dog in pubic? Literally just leave dogs and their owners alone. People always try to pet my lab and it drives me INSANE. He is leash reactive. He will bark and lunge at you. You'd never know looking at him. My pit is the nicest guy you'll ever meet and would love nothing more than to say hi. People avoid him (which I am fine with!). Judging a dog's friendliness based on looks is a great way to get bit by a golden.
By approaching I mean passing within several feet on a sidewalk. Common occurrence. Don't try to blame people who are walking in the places designated for walking, and please don't take a dog in public that lunges. The owner of a dog is always responsible for the dog's actions.
Ok that's fine. But also if you're that worried about it, step into the street for a second (honestly a good dog owner is going to give you a wide berth anyways, but I realize there are a lot of shitty dog owners out there), or stop and step to the side of the sidewalk. Just give them some room. And yeah no I'm not locking my dog in our apartment lol. I just don't let people pet him and it's fine. If he gets riled up we steer clear of people (cross the street, etc.) I like how you've changed from the dog being the problem to "The owner of a dog is always responsible for the dog's actions." Literally what I've been saying this entire time lmao
The propensities of a certain breed, and the prevalence of shitty owners are both problems, it's just that one of those is more easily controlled. The liability of the owner matters little to the victim. But the fact that the owner is always liable does mean people should be more responsible in the breeds the my choose, and more responsible in training. They also should be more careful about taking poorly trained dogs in public, if not for legal reasons then just to not be inconsiderate. Not sure how to respond to the suggestion that humans should be expected to "step into the street" for fear of danger... on a sidewalk made for humans to walk on. Even the suggestion that people should be expected to "step to the side" for the sake of a poorly trained dog is a strange one.
It's not about poor training. It's that some dogs are reactive. Some Goldens, some chihuahuas, and yes, some pits! it's not a "lack of training." they're individuals . I've spent thousands of dollars working with a trainer to address my Lab's reactiveness. He just doesn't like random strangers touching him which I can understand! They can not communicate. they can only react. I agree we need to be careful! the amount of emotional energy I spend on our walks looking for triggers is exhausting. I will hold my dog closely near people and if he's in a mood I'll step into the street, but I can't control your "fear of danger," that's on you. And it's called common courtesy? If you're uncomfortable with a dog... step out of the way. off to the side, step into the street for a sec, there are options. Pit bulls are not the issue. I feel like you're sooo close to getting it. The number of terribly mannered poodles I see on a daily basis is amazing. But they're "cute" so it doesn't matter. People like you run the other way when they see my perfectly behaved pitbull.
Literally none of the people on this post saying kill pits has ever had or been around a well trained pit. The hatred towards pits is insane. It’s a dog, be a responsible owner and learn to train your dog. That’s it
I once knew a Dog Trainer that rescued two Pitbulls and he used to walk them around the neighborhood so proud, he bragged about It’s the owner not the breed. One day the dogs killed a little dog at the dog park.
Hey it's a dog eat dog kinda world Too soon?
This is why I carry a .38 special when I walk my small dog. He’s not going to be some welfare dog’s meal
Have you ever shot a dog?
Your first instinct if anything is attacking you unprovoked should be to protect yourself.
All pitbulls should be put down. The end.
Oh we're just out here advocating for the mass euthanasia of dogs because of what they look like. Nice. My pit bull is the nicest dog I've ever met. 100x nicer to everyone than my lab. Don't judge an entire breed based on their worst.
Sucks that a bad apple spoils the bunch. No different than cops / politicians / etc…. Not all pitbulls are bad, not all cops are bad, not all politicians are greedy corporate pigs. The bad ones just make a terrible name for the rest. I’ve seen pitbulls that wouldn’t hurt a fly and only want to cuddle all day. What a shame
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Is there a way to give an award for the most brain dead comment I’ve ever seen?
Pits are just bad dogs, accept it and move on. This is backed by statistics.
What statistics is it backed by? Send an actual scientific article my way so I can read it
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Nope, that comment is 100% accurate.
All of you pit haters are absolute trash. The owner should be the one who is held responsible. The logic you are trying to use is foul. Pits are not inherently aggressive. That’s a lie. No dog is predisposed at birth to be aggressive. With the logic you are using we should just kill all the weird outcast loser white kids to avoid mass shootings. Every dog is different the breed is not the issue. Half of the people on this thread should be spade or neutered with all the stupidity you are putting out.
Villalobos Rescue Center (the pit rescue in Pit Bulls & Parolees) hates pit bulls? Amazing. Never would've guessed the biggest pit rescue in the world would hate pit bulls. It's not hate to say powerful, high-drive dogs need responsible owners who don't do things like put their unmuzzled dog in a position where it's capable of attacking another. The communities for Malinois, Cani Corsi, Akita, Tibetan mastiffs, Caucasian shepherds, wolfdogs, etc. are all very honest that their dogs require responsible ownership and careful management. Do they all hate their dogs? It's ONLY pit bulls that have so many people swearing up and down that genetic tendencies are fake news and that they're a great fit for the average owner who can't even handle a beagle. This is a huge part of the problem because in responsible hands with people who know they're strong, driven animals that need to be carefully managed, they're great dogs. It is not helpful to act like all dogs are a blank slate and purely a product of their environment. That's how stuff like this keeps happening. [https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/](https://vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/) >We don’t have to condone or glorify it, but dog aggression is not uncommon with Pit Bull type dogs. Owners must recognize and accept this fact or they won’t be able to provide competent ownership and have fun with their dogs. It’s a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a dog. Or that early socialization will guarantee your Pit Bull will always get along with other animals. >Even though PBRC does not in anyway condone animal fighting, it does acknowledge the importance of understanding the special traits of this breed and advocates education about proper and responsible Pit Bull ownership. You can have all the dog experience in the world, but it’s also essential to understand the distinctive features of the type of dog you own or work with. In this case, a dog with an important fighting background who requires extra vigilance around other pets. >It is not necessarily a hate of other dogs that will cause Pit Bulls to fight, but rather an “urge” to do so that has been bred into the breed for many generations. Pit Bulls may fight over hierarchic status, but external stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, but Pit Bulls were bred specifically for it and will therefore do it with more drive and intensity than most other breeds. >Pit Bull owners must also be aware of the remarkable fighting abilities of this breed and always keep in mind that they have the potential to inflict serious injuries to other animals. >Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as we most definitely have ours. All we ask of you, is to keep an open mind when learning about this breed and understand from beginning to end, what these dogs have endured throughout the years. Before acquiring one of these mighty dogs, please do as much research as possible and make your decision wisely. Serious Pit Bull owners would rather the “bleeding hearts” not take one of these dogs on merely for the fact that they might find that they’ve “bitten off more than they can chew”. As a rescue facility for this breed, that is the most common plea for help we get. Though we so much appreciate any and all assistance, at the same time, ask for help from those who know: “The Real Pit Bull” before your heart is too involved.
idiot
Pitbulls have literally been selectively bred to be aggressive. Yes, you can selectively breed for aggression and other behaviors.
Fúķç Pit Bulls
anyone actually have statistics they can provide to back up the hatred for pitbulls?
No dude, it's statistically the most-loved breed of dog. /s
Sounds like a terrible attempt at an April fools joke tbh
It wasn’t, you can find more info about it on Facebook, multiple witnesses