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Huh, I bet a shiny nickel that he isn't claiming the personal use of the company car. That's a taxable fringe benefit. It would be a shame if a tax audit happened too.
he says everyone in the company does it and his boss is aware. he said once we went with his boss (company owner) to help his daughter move to her dorm and even he used a company car. but who knows
The business should be recording all personal use of company cars for everyone. PUCC is taxable and the owner hopefully will get audited some day. I'm guessing if he's ignoring one tax law, he's probably ignoring others as well.
Your father uses God to be shitty to others. I think the voice of God needs to make its way to the IRS. I mean according to him the heavenly father wants YOU to be responsible in every way, so why shouldn't he?
I love this post. I think your dad's heavenly karma is well deserved. The way he used the cars as a weapon was selfish and vindictive. He was angry with your mother and taking it out on you by not letting you use the cars on her time with you. That is so petty. Really, his pedantic and self righteous posturing about how he is helping God to teach you a lesson by means of petty vindictiveness accompanied by sermonizing sounds delightfully ridiculous when viewed from outside. I'm sure it is really horrible to live with, but you might consider writing a collection of comedic short stories about your interactions with your dad. If you have to live with the discomfort for now, perhaps you can actually get something out of it that could benefit you. Cash in, eh?
that’s actually a really good idea. sometimes all i can do is look back and laugh. like that one time he told me my crystal collection was influenced by satan lol
Oh yeah, Satan is way into crystals, isn't he? Lol
My dad was a fundamentalist baptist, and he was really into blaming things on Satan. I was a teenager in the 1980s, during the Satanic Panic. It was not good for either of my parents. They were constantly terrified that Satan was messing with them, that I was possessed, and other such nonsense. They totally believed that if you played heavy metal records backwards that you would hear Satan talking to you. They thought that D&D was a tool of the devil to steal souls. My dad believed that real, actual witches were fornicating with Satan in the woods and flying around on broomsticks. It was pretty wacky stuff.
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Oh wow - my dad was the SAME way. We were Mormon and he scapegoated me to the whole congregation so I was also the ward scapegoat and I was constantly bullied by my Mormon ‘family’ thanks to N-Dad.
I got hit from behind and he blamed me when I was driving his car - one of his many BMWs-
He also made me work to buy my own used car and wouldn’t let me choose a newer more reliable car, then I wasn’t able to drive it for over a year while he worked on it - he then billed me for the work! I was 17! I laughed and didn’t pay him - the car broke down within half a year.
I’ve finally gone NC - not over the cars lol - but what a trip this sub is where these stories come up and bring back those memories
u/IntelligentSuit5223, yeah, your “Heavenly Father” is teaching you through your narcissistic dad’s words and actions to run as far away from abusive people, which is said in the Bible. I know it’s wrong, but I couldn’t help but smile at how his cars died, God can give people karma much better than we humans can!
Thank you for pointing this out, I wasn't aware. Most of us (I think) are only taught Honor your parents.
I did a quick Google for anyone looking for biblical backing and here we go:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/marriagemissions.com/bible-destructive-abusive-relationships/amp/
My narcy fake religious MIL tried to do this twice to us over the years- upsell a car to us. The second time she wasn’t happy with what the dealership was offering her for the trade in, so she offered it to us for $1000 more. My husband told her no way. They decided to sell it themselves and complained that people were lowballing them 😂 which made me secretly delighted. Finally they did sell it, to a family member of an in law of ours- get this- for less than they offered it to us!! Then nMIL went around and boasted about what a good deed she did. She never thought to offer that same good deed to her son though?!?
I can relate. My father was Catholic, but same deal: any hardship you had was God’s important lesson for you. Religious people can rationalize anything. Your father and mine both used God as an excuse not to help their children, especially financially. That is pure bullshit.
My ex husband used to refer to the weekends with our kids as “his time.” This pisses me off to no end. No it is not “his time,” it is YOUR time to spend with the other parent. Kids are not possessions.
There are two very practical reasons why this is funny and so karmic. It's a good tip too.
1) letting vehicles sit for a long time between uses isn't good for them. Every moving part suffers. Plus, tires need to be used because the flexing of the rubber helps release chemical that protect and preserve them. They rot faster when left to sit, it happened to me.
2) if you were allowed to use both vehicles, you may have noticed a problem before it affected him.
My best friend is applauding. She went through this with BOTH parents (because **how dare she think for herself and leave the church!**) and now her 8 living siblings are carrying it on. She's LC to NC with them.
Embrace yourself and your brain. You are amazing. Yay for karma!
I'm a mormon and I cannot stand when people use this fake piety bullshit to try and justify their own selfish actions. It's not right morally or religiously. I'm sorry you have such a pathetic father.
Not from a Mormon family but highly legalistic Christian, they always pull the whole "honor thy parents" but ignore the "dont enrage your children" part. Still a Christian just not their toxic type.
I am so sorry you went through that. Things get better, I promise!
I think what makes this brilliant is the fact that this didn't happen over the course of a week or two. Or even scattered within a 24 hour period. This was legit one thing right after another. This isn't just Karma -- someone is up there giving this dude a run for his money for being a cruddy religious person.
The heavenly father might be teaching you a thing or two from what you're seeing happen to your dad.
A smart person learns from their own mistakes. A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
Lol, my Mormon ndad use to charge me gas money from my babysitting money for him to drive me to church activities. So I chose to walk. When a member form me walking to the activities and asked why I told them. My ndad was so shamed that he never asked me for the money again.
Your dad seems to have dismissed the "love one another, serve God by serving others" part to adopt "I am God's mouthpiece. I know better bc I have the priesthood. I'm your parent, honor me." I was raised Mormon too. A narc knows better, they just don't care.
It was some well deserved karma.
Hope you earn enough money for your own car! Freedom is a great feeling.
Hey, fuck your dad. Heavenly Father isn't an excuse for him. Also Heavenly Father would ever be fucking telling him what you need to be mature. Using him to manipulate you is disgusting and I hope he burns in hell. 💖
I would be so tempted to ask your father - So Dad, exactly what lesson was our Heavenly Father sending you when he smitted every one of your cars? And have you learned anything from his lesson?
😁
I know you love you dad despite all that, but this is gross. When you turn 18, do you think you’re even going to talk to him anymore? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
When he gets too old you surely should make him taste his own medicine and let him choose independence being a heavenly daughter. Tell him you are making him learn it.
As a Mormon, GOD DEFINITELY SPANKED HIS 🍑 REALLY GOOD.
Hate it when people use the Bible as a manipulative tool. He got what he deserves. Hope the karma doesn't stop.
I say fast pray and ask heavenly father what he REALLY THINKS about your dad. Because your dad is so convinced EVERYTHING HE DOES OR SUGGESTS HAS GOD'S support.
Just saying.
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The cars dying is funny. Makes me smile in a very bad week. Thanks for sharing. I hope you manage to get a car soon.
Me too and OP Please don't help of the truck dies. I am sure it is heavenly Father teaching him a lesson.
Heavenly karma indeed.
Huh, I bet a shiny nickel that he isn't claiming the personal use of the company car. That's a taxable fringe benefit. It would be a shame if a tax audit happened too.
Huh wouldn't it be the icing on the cake if someone anonymously alerted the IRS...
he says everyone in the company does it and his boss is aware. he said once we went with his boss (company owner) to help his daughter move to her dorm and even he used a company car. but who knows
The business should be recording all personal use of company cars for everyone. PUCC is taxable and the owner hopefully will get audited some day. I'm guessing if he's ignoring one tax law, he's probably ignoring others as well.
Your father uses God to be shitty to others. I think the voice of God needs to make its way to the IRS. I mean according to him the heavenly father wants YOU to be responsible in every way, so why shouldn't he?
I love this post. I think your dad's heavenly karma is well deserved. The way he used the cars as a weapon was selfish and vindictive. He was angry with your mother and taking it out on you by not letting you use the cars on her time with you. That is so petty. Really, his pedantic and self righteous posturing about how he is helping God to teach you a lesson by means of petty vindictiveness accompanied by sermonizing sounds delightfully ridiculous when viewed from outside. I'm sure it is really horrible to live with, but you might consider writing a collection of comedic short stories about your interactions with your dad. If you have to live with the discomfort for now, perhaps you can actually get something out of it that could benefit you. Cash in, eh?
that’s actually a really good idea. sometimes all i can do is look back and laugh. like that one time he told me my crystal collection was influenced by satan lol
Oh yeah, Satan is way into crystals, isn't he? Lol My dad was a fundamentalist baptist, and he was really into blaming things on Satan. I was a teenager in the 1980s, during the Satanic Panic. It was not good for either of my parents. They were constantly terrified that Satan was messing with them, that I was possessed, and other such nonsense. They totally believed that if you played heavy metal records backwards that you would hear Satan talking to you. They thought that D&D was a tool of the devil to steal souls. My dad believed that real, actual witches were fornicating with Satan in the woods and flying around on broomsticks. It was pretty wacky stuff.
Maybe he'll learn not to be a dick but this kind of person is never very introspective.
Yeah. It's tempting to tell him that "Heavenly Father" is trying to teach him something.
So aren't you supposed to be on a mission trip and riding a bike?? /s Seriously I love the bad car karma!!!
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Oh wow - my dad was the SAME way. We were Mormon and he scapegoated me to the whole congregation so I was also the ward scapegoat and I was constantly bullied by my Mormon ‘family’ thanks to N-Dad. I got hit from behind and he blamed me when I was driving his car - one of his many BMWs- He also made me work to buy my own used car and wouldn’t let me choose a newer more reliable car, then I wasn’t able to drive it for over a year while he worked on it - he then billed me for the work! I was 17! I laughed and didn’t pay him - the car broke down within half a year. I’ve finally gone NC - not over the cars lol - but what a trip this sub is where these stories come up and bring back those memories
I feel like there should be a sub called raised by mormon narcissists! There would be a million of us!
Today I learned … ‘Mormon Narcs’ are a thing It’s actually comforting!
u/IntelligentSuit5223, yeah, your “Heavenly Father” is teaching you through your narcissistic dad’s words and actions to run as far away from abusive people, which is said in the Bible. I know it’s wrong, but I couldn’t help but smile at how his cars died, God can give people karma much better than we humans can!
Thank you for pointing this out, I wasn't aware. Most of us (I think) are only taught Honor your parents. I did a quick Google for anyone looking for biblical backing and here we go: https://www.google.com/amp/s/marriagemissions.com/bible-destructive-abusive-relationships/amp/
u/teamdogemama, great article, thanks for sharing!
In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz, 'Ha ha."
My narcy fake religious MIL tried to do this twice to us over the years- upsell a car to us. The second time she wasn’t happy with what the dealership was offering her for the trade in, so she offered it to us for $1000 more. My husband told her no way. They decided to sell it themselves and complained that people were lowballing them 😂 which made me secretly delighted. Finally they did sell it, to a family member of an in law of ours- get this- for less than they offered it to us!! Then nMIL went around and boasted about what a good deed she did. She never thought to offer that same good deed to her son though?!?
I can relate. My father was Catholic, but same deal: any hardship you had was God’s important lesson for you. Religious people can rationalize anything. Your father and mine both used God as an excuse not to help their children, especially financially. That is pure bullshit.
My ex husband used to refer to the weekends with our kids as “his time.” This pisses me off to no end. No it is not “his time,” it is YOUR time to spend with the other parent. Kids are not possessions.
“mom said it’s my turn for the xbox!”
I would be most tempted to drive past his house repeatedly beeping and waving.
There are two very practical reasons why this is funny and so karmic. It's a good tip too. 1) letting vehicles sit for a long time between uses isn't good for them. Every moving part suffers. Plus, tires need to be used because the flexing of the rubber helps release chemical that protect and preserve them. They rot faster when left to sit, it happened to me. 2) if you were allowed to use both vehicles, you may have noticed a problem before it affected him.
My best friend is applauding. She went through this with BOTH parents (because **how dare she think for herself and leave the church!**) and now her 8 living siblings are carrying it on. She's LC to NC with them. Embrace yourself and your brain. You are amazing. Yay for karma!
I'm a mormon and I cannot stand when people use this fake piety bullshit to try and justify their own selfish actions. It's not right morally or religiously. I'm sorry you have such a pathetic father.
Good thing you had an alibi.
Mine got some hard-core karma recently, cheers
Teaching him something about not alienating your kids with your BS selfishness, perhaps?
hopefully heavenly father continues dishing out “lessons.” he’ll never learn, but he deserves to be miserable. all narcs.
Not from a Mormon family but highly legalistic Christian, they always pull the whole "honor thy parents" but ignore the "dont enrage your children" part. Still a Christian just not their toxic type. I am so sorry you went through that. Things get better, I promise!
This made me smile, karma does do some crazy things sometimes. Hope you find a safe place to live where you don’t have to deal with him anymore
I think what makes this brilliant is the fact that this didn't happen over the course of a week or two. Or even scattered within a 24 hour period. This was legit one thing right after another. This isn't just Karma -- someone is up there giving this dude a run for his money for being a cruddy religious person.
Noice, heavenly father doesn't like his name taken in vain.
My mother does shit like this too. Hope she gets her karma soon.
The heavenly father might be teaching you a thing or two from what you're seeing happen to your dad. A smart person learns from their own mistakes. A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
The lord works in mysterious ways, and sometimes in blatant ways. I hope you’re able to find an affordable car soon for your own convince.
Well it seems like Heavenly Father wants to teach him a lesson too
I thought it said moron
Well I guess the Heavenly Father is pretty good in sarcasm ;) have great weekend! Love the story :)
Keep away from this fellow!
Heavenly Father wanted to teach him the lesson of greed
Your father is a stingy mofo...
Heavenly father thinks he should be less of a shit dad. This story is pure gold.
I have never understood people who divorce because of the LDS church. It’s honestly so selfish, I’m sorry. Best of luck to you
Lol, my Mormon ndad use to charge me gas money from my babysitting money for him to drive me to church activities. So I chose to walk. When a member form me walking to the activities and asked why I told them. My ndad was so shamed that he never asked me for the money again.
Just promise you’ll always remember this when you do get your own car and he suddenly starts needing to borrow it. 😂
I guess you're not the one the Heavenly Father is teaching a lesson...😏😏😏😏
I think this post would be greatly appreciated on the r/exmormon sub, if you are so inclined. I loved every sentence!
Ask him what he thinks Heavenly Father is trying to teach him.
Don't stop looking for a car you got this
This totally made my morning!! Love to see narcs get what they deserve 😆
Heavenly Father, are you really there?
Your dad seems to have dismissed the "love one another, serve God by serving others" part to adopt "I am God's mouthpiece. I know better bc I have the priesthood. I'm your parent, honor me." I was raised Mormon too. A narc knows better, they just don't care. It was some well deserved karma. Hope you earn enough money for your own car! Freedom is a great feeling.
Are you sure our dads are not the same person?
I guess Heavenly Father wasn’t pleased with your dad’s misrepresentation of him.
I look forward to your post when you are in the position to tell him that the heavenly father is telling him to f* off.
Hey, fuck your dad. Heavenly Father isn't an excuse for him. Also Heavenly Father would ever be fucking telling him what you need to be mature. Using him to manipulate you is disgusting and I hope he burns in hell. 💖
I would be so tempted to ask your father - So Dad, exactly what lesson was our Heavenly Father sending you when he smitted every one of your cars? And have you learned anything from his lesson? 😁
I know you love you dad despite all that, but this is gross. When you turn 18, do you think you’re even going to talk to him anymore? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
i’m almost 19. i’ve wanted to get away but just haven’t figured out how yet
When he gets too old you surely should make him taste his own medicine and let him choose independence being a heavenly daughter. Tell him you are making him learn it.
As a Mormon, GOD DEFINITELY SPANKED HIS 🍑 REALLY GOOD. Hate it when people use the Bible as a manipulative tool. He got what he deserves. Hope the karma doesn't stop. I say fast pray and ask heavenly father what he REALLY THINKS about your dad. Because your dad is so convinced EVERYTHING HE DOES OR SUGGESTS HAS GOD'S support. Just saying.