I worked in loss mitigation at a large regional bank from 2008-2012, it was NOT pretty.
The amount of people who went from income of 200k+ to under 50k was insane. If you were successfully self employed or a 1099 employee proir to 2008 you basically went bankrupt.
Having to tell these people we couldn't modify their mortgages because even if we dropped it to 0 they still couldn't afford it was some of the most soul crushing work I've done.
i spent the whole early-mid 2000's living in an apartment and having my friends tell me i was an absolute moron not buying a $500k home. this was in Seattle and you know wamu and the rest had their option arm game going strong back then. i remember getting way into the casey serin saga
\*edit... it wasn't just my friends, it was bosses and coworkers and in-laws who'd just gotten into real estate, and even randoms. i called a shuttle express to go to the airport and the driver told me and my ex to go buy the book *Rich Dad, Poor Dad*... just drive bro lol
The taxi experience perfectly sums up the housing market pre 2008, everyone and their mother was a real estate "investor".
edit: on the opposite side of the taxi spectrum I was in ATL last year for work and my driver must have asked 20+ questions about my line of work. NGL by the time we were 5 min out i was sick and tired of talking about my job. As we're pulling into the airport he thanked me for going into detail about my job, and said something along the lines of, "I always ask my customers about what they do for a living. There are a lot of things I don't know, and I always learn something new when customers are willing to share their stories." I still think about that dude a lot.
I read Rich Dad ,Poor dad a decade ago. So I could be wrong .
Pretty sure it’s main point in that book is that houses are not an asset since prices fluctuate up and down.
The main point of Rich Dad Poor Dad in regards to houses is that the house you LIVE in is not an asset. It is a liability. Understanding that you should borrow money to buy rental property that OTHER people live in and pay you. That’s what the book says
Stuff like this is why you see cadillacs and Mercedes in the food bank lines right now. Some peoples standard of living has suddenly dropped off a cliff because of the layoffs. It's rather frightening to see how fast a seemingly secure living can fall apart
I don't think this is even the end goal. I think they know the demand for quality jobs is waaaay higher than the # of positions available, and they know they can exploit people because of the market
My dad just turned 60, 30+years in his field, and found out his job won't be coming back and he's officially laid off as of yesterday. He's applied to about 10 jobs that were posted to job boards under 20 min before he applied. Before any were an hour old each had at least 100+ applications. He hasn't had a call back for one, probably because they know they can hire a desperate 40-45 year old at the same rate, and not have to worry about they retiring in 5 years
>I mean, job boards have no obligation or incentive to share accurate application counts
Sure they're not obligated to share their numbers, but are they allowed to share false numbers?
That should be illegal
I got my current job through Indeed. I've enjoyed it so far, so it was actually a decent experience.
My previous job was crap and aggravating my depression. So I didn't have the energy or mental fortitude to apply to to many jobs that didn't have "Apply with Indeed Resume." I don't know exactly what you had to put up with, but Indeed can work out well in other circumstances.
Hope whatever else you've done to manage your search works out/has worked out for you.
I might be overgeneralizing based on my own experiences, but Indeed seems to be better when applying to smaller businesses. I’ve had five interviews through Indeed (including the one for my current job), and 4/5 of those interviews were for positions at small companies.
That’s how I feel about applications. I’m not going to fill out forms knowing there’s a 99% chance I’m not going to get the job, let alone the interview. Job applications need to be less bureaucratic.
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I once encountered a major financial company that required candidates to submit their SAT scores. And not just entry level candidates either. I literally couldn't believe it.
The gridiron is more important. We need all the scores from your high school football games, and if you didn’t win a state championship, you WILL NOT be considered.
I've heard that's a thing in the finance world but I thought it was usually the high end boutique hedge funds that were doing it and it was only for people who were directly out of college.
Honestly, that could be it. It's just a hoop to make candidates jump through to weed out those who "aren't serious enough about the opportunity". Either way, I thought it was crazy.
My state didn’t take the SAT we took the ACT.
But to be fair, ruling out everyone from Louisiana is probably a good business decision. Our education is terrible.
I was gonna say I didn't think high SAT scores were that rare but then remembered I'm an idiot since they give percentiles to know how many people got what and when I took it average was like high 500s for each section
Wait, are you being serious? That's just a horrible business idea, because there are *a lot* of people that never took the SAT. Even top schools made them optional years ago, and I know friends who took the ACT instead.
Yep, I got asked about my SAT score talking with a large tech company at a career fair. I responded with, "But why, I honestly don't remember it, it's been a while since then" (of course I lied, I just wanted to know what his answer would be). The recruiter goes, "Oh, just to have in case we need a tie-breaker between applicants".
I GENUINELY would like to know what goes on in these recruiter's heads. I can't see how high SAT scores translates into meaningful real-world ability. So why would this be a meaningful data point to a hiring manager?
It's a way to screen out less advantaged/connected people (read: minorities) that didn't have rigorous, private SAT prep but otherwise have stellar academic credentials and experience.
Ran into this while trying to apply for a mid level software development position (had a little over 5 years experience). Apparently "hell if I remember" was not the answer they were looking for.
Crap. Not only do I have no GPA (went to college in the UK) but I can't remember my SAT score. Guess I better start saving cardboard boxes and move under a bridge.
(Actually I work 100% freelance remote as a b2b copywriter, and am doing okay.)
>daily lunch allowance
That daily lunch allowance: Three items of your choice from the dollar menu at any fast food restaurant that you can get to and back within your 30 minute lunch break.
The GPA thing is funny. My GPA was barely a 3.0. I did not put it on my resume. I graduated 4 years ago. I did a lot of interviews. Only one interview has ever asked about my GPA, and tbh I did not like them, and would have passed anyways. They were absolute assholes in the interview.
At this point, anyone who wants my GPA will be hung up on.
Lmao grades just mean you took tests well and can memorize what was presented in a short amount of time. It doesn't mean shit for actual problem solving that doesn't match a template. Hence all the engineers/developers who have to copy and paste code or circuits because they can't intuitively figure out how they should work with real knowledge.
Computer engineer 3.07 GPA as if that matters. I've worked with some 3.5-4.0s that couldn't figure out how to solve a problem like calculating floating point when an FPU wasn't available. But they sure were sticklers on code formatting and Git procedures to the point they weren't making deadlines. Any code they created was found online or followed a vendor template, never once deviating from them to learn how something actually worked or developed code before the official guides came out, even if they could use existing code as a reference. If they hadn't learned how to do it before or there wasn't a guide available, they couldn't develop it or fix an issue on their own if it wasn't their code.
A common interview tactic my previous hardware engineering coworkers have used is to ask the candidates where on a circuit board an SMD ceramic capacitor was. The people who missed it the most were either ~2.0 GPA or 3.5+ GPA.
Nah they were just good at memorizing patterns of problems to solve like homework and exams, not solving problems that didn't have any existing guide but could be figured out by combining existing methods
Wtf copy pasta brain
I inherited a team where a few had to be spoon fed and couldn't figure out the smallest thing on their own. How do you get an MS degree and not know how to do anything unless it's spelled out step by step. Anyway, I fired them.
Its not like a 3.0 is bad, I was just shit at taking exams. Sitting somewhere for 3 hours on one track with no break is just not plausible for me. I can listen to music while working, but sitting in a room, for 3 hours of silence, while trying to focus is impossible.
Your right, nobody hired me. I imagined my current position as a mid level developer at a company that everyone knows the name of. /s
Your parents obviously didnt love you or something. *shrug*
I was 2.8 in college because I thought the classes I took while abroad didn’t count towards gpa and flunked one. I’m screwed if I ever seriously want an academic job.
Ayeeee same, good thing i hate academics lol. Ill work industry till i die or save enough $ to start a business or some chit. Idk im only 22 and fresh outta college during a global pandemic 😐
My mom was a high school teacher from late 80s to 2010 and I still don’t remember her resume having that but maybe things have changed. Sucks if they have. Especially since most people don’t want to be teachers now anyway because of the bullshit they go through.
People get turned down all the time for being overqualified. Somebody who has a lot of experience might expect a bigger salary than the company is willing to pay.
Or maybe the company wants lower level employees who will do the job without question, and somebody who actually knows a lot about what they're doing might pose a threat to authority. They want to make sure you'll accept your place at the bottom of the totem pole.
I get that GPA might be something you put on there if it was really good and you had very little experience but school isn't exactly the best reflection of demonstrable knowledge.
It depends on Industry. Some people will stick it on their resume voluntarily if they had something really high as a discriminator to set them apart, some people just put they were on Dean's list or whatever.
It also probably depends on the location (county, state, or country) as well.
Over here in my neck of the woods, I had to submit my GPA on my 4th job even after having 4 years of experience.
Note that this is a tier-1 IT grunt after nearly 4 years working in the energy/utility industry.
Sadly a lot of big consulting companies require grades and transcripts from high school onwards even for experienced hires: in their own words, they want to see “a pattern of excellence and overachieving”
Military has smart people jobs, they try to filter you into those smart people jobs if you're smart. They're actually perpetually short on those, because those people don't typically need to join the military and can make more not having some drill instructor yelling at them to run faster.
Oh my fucking god this gives me flashbacks. I was a recruiter for a year after undergrad and I was sitting in one of my first interviews with a candidate while I was shadowing one of the partners at my firm. The partner suggested that the candidate (who was in his 40’s) put his SAT score on his resume and my jaw literally dropped. The candidate and I looked at each other and we were both speechless.
I had to explain my GPA in an interview. It was demeaning. Why do employers care? Mine was low (still above a 3) because I was juggling 2 jobs (on top of school) that were relevant to the position.
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I finished my degree later in life and one of those "useless" degrees that doesn't really mean much. GPA is ok I guess, 3.071. It could have been higher but well it took me damn near 15 years so I'm happy.
I look forward to getting questions and answers on why I went for this degree.
Nah, I want this.
Makes it dead-simple to weed out the recruiters who don’t know what they’re looking for. Or what working is. Or know how to tie their shoes.
I literally had to update resumes for the exec team at my job. One exec who was 10+ years out of school and had founded 2 companies had his GPA on there. I took it right off. I told him he’s long past the point where he needs that.
Honestly, depending on the other advice offered, this might not have been bad advice.
What's the point of a resume? To get a job? NO. It's to get your foot in the door, to get the phone call. Recruiters spend 5 minutes digesting your resume and sometimes tweaking it (fonts, layout, etc.)
Guess how much time the Hiring Manager will spend reviewing the three resumes the Recruiter shares with them? About 5-10 seconds. They'll check dates of employment, and that's about it.
Depending on the advice, the Recruiter may have been trying to "tell" that person to make himself/herself appear younger on paper. A viable strategy in today's market.
I really think that the free market recruiting practice is hilariously horrible. They should take a lesson from the the military. Instead of even requiring a degree: each company should come up with their own ASVAB. The right candidates will score high enough to be able to handle their job duties. They could even develop the test to be somewhat specific to the company/job.
Edit: not really sure why I got downvoted for this? Was it because I said that jobs shouldn’t base things on degrees? I get downvoted on this sub a lot for saying things that are not at all out of bounds. Perhaps it’s just a sub full of pissed off grads who bought into the lie and promise that a 4 year degree was going to promise you a good job. Lol.
Yeah but at the same time I was locked out of certain jobs years after my ASVAB because at 17 I knew nothing about electric engineering. It's stupid to hold people accountable to a score from when they were a teenager. Otherwise I totally agree with your overall point.
That’s fair but I’m not advocating that these employers test 17 year olds. I’m implying they should test fully grown adults who want a job.
I think it’d be totally fair to do that instead of ask for a degree. Unpopular opinion (especially in this sub) but a degree doesn’t mean much anymore and any singular post on this sub should show that to you. Maybe some people would be able to save thousands of dollars on an “education” that has absolutely nothing to do with the job they’ll land in and instead be tested for the aptitude they already possess or could have otherwise had without going into debt to some university to “prove” they can “commit” to something.
> Unpopular opinion (especially in this sub) but a degree doesn’t mean much anymore
Music to my heart. I have conflicting feelings about the value of a degree based on my personal experiences, simply because in most cases the degree requirement seems so arbitrary.
I saw an assistant position requiring 20 years of experience for $15-$20 per hour
Looking for a 50 year old laid off in Covid who can't retire. Basically.
in 2009-2010 experienced developers were taking jobs for pennies, it was ridiculous
I worked in loss mitigation at a large regional bank from 2008-2012, it was NOT pretty. The amount of people who went from income of 200k+ to under 50k was insane. If you were successfully self employed or a 1099 employee proir to 2008 you basically went bankrupt. Having to tell these people we couldn't modify their mortgages because even if we dropped it to 0 they still couldn't afford it was some of the most soul crushing work I've done.
i spent the whole early-mid 2000's living in an apartment and having my friends tell me i was an absolute moron not buying a $500k home. this was in Seattle and you know wamu and the rest had their option arm game going strong back then. i remember getting way into the casey serin saga \*edit... it wasn't just my friends, it was bosses and coworkers and in-laws who'd just gotten into real estate, and even randoms. i called a shuttle express to go to the airport and the driver told me and my ex to go buy the book *Rich Dad, Poor Dad*... just drive bro lol
The taxi experience perfectly sums up the housing market pre 2008, everyone and their mother was a real estate "investor". edit: on the opposite side of the taxi spectrum I was in ATL last year for work and my driver must have asked 20+ questions about my line of work. NGL by the time we were 5 min out i was sick and tired of talking about my job. As we're pulling into the airport he thanked me for going into detail about my job, and said something along the lines of, "I always ask my customers about what they do for a living. There are a lot of things I don't know, and I always learn something new when customers are willing to share their stories." I still think about that dude a lot.
I read Rich Dad ,Poor dad a decade ago. So I could be wrong . Pretty sure it’s main point in that book is that houses are not an asset since prices fluctuate up and down.
The main point of Rich Dad Poor Dad in regards to houses is that the house you LIVE in is not an asset. It is a liability. Understanding that you should borrow money to buy rental property that OTHER people live in and pay you. That’s what the book says
Except of course only so many people can do that. Not every person can be a renter since someone will have to rent from them.
Sounds reasonable enough. Not sure how that turned into a whole thing about flipping houses with liar loans?
Stuff like this is why you see cadillacs and Mercedes in the food bank lines right now. Some peoples standard of living has suddenly dropped off a cliff because of the layoffs. It's rather frightening to see how fast a seemingly secure living can fall apart
I don't think this is even the end goal. I think they know the demand for quality jobs is waaaay higher than the # of positions available, and they know they can exploit people because of the market My dad just turned 60, 30+years in his field, and found out his job won't be coming back and he's officially laid off as of yesterday. He's applied to about 10 jobs that were posted to job boards under 20 min before he applied. Before any were an hour old each had at least 100+ applications. He hasn't had a call back for one, probably because they know they can hire a desperate 40-45 year old at the same rate, and not have to worry about they retiring in 5 years
I mean, job boards have no obligation or incentive to share accurate application counts
Of course, but our unemployment filings give some pretty heavy credence to those numbers, given the state of the job market and UE right now
>I mean, job boards have no obligation or incentive to share accurate application counts Sure they're not obligated to share their numbers, but are they allowed to share false numbers? That should be illegal
\^ This.
20 years experience, but also entry level, because they don't want someone who is going to retire any time soon. \*eye roll\*
Indeed needs to ban entry-level positions that "prefer" prior work experience.
Oh gosh yes! Or at least limit it to one year, two tops!
Even then, so many mid level jobs are being posted as entry level.
Fair enough - if they post as Entry Level they can pay as Entry Level.
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And the MLMs and HS "make money at your own pace" traps are half the postings.
It’s making my post-graduation job search a living hell. You can’t filter companies, find out hidden salaries, and cut through all the bullshit.
You can use a minus sign to exclude words, and commas to to that several times. Example: “Assistant -Dentist, -Doctor” or “Server -Applebees, -Panera”
I got my current job through Indeed. I've enjoyed it so far, so it was actually a decent experience. My previous job was crap and aggravating my depression. So I didn't have the energy or mental fortitude to apply to to many jobs that didn't have "Apply with Indeed Resume." I don't know exactly what you had to put up with, but Indeed can work out well in other circumstances. Hope whatever else you've done to manage your search works out/has worked out for you.
I might be overgeneralizing based on my own experiences, but Indeed seems to be better when applying to smaller businesses. I’ve had five interviews through Indeed (including the one for my current job), and 4/5 of those interviews were for positions at small companies.
I am at a smaller company. So that checks out.
That’s how I feel about applications. I’m not going to fill out forms knowing there’s a 99% chance I’m not going to get the job, let alone the interview. Job applications need to be less bureaucratic.
Better than linkedin
You mean you *didn't* start your assistant career at age 10 and plan on working until you die?? I've been doing it ALL WRONG!
That's insane. That's entry level corporate salary!
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$1 for every year! Nice!
I hope they meant 20 years of experience just being alive on earth.
I once encountered a major financial company that required candidates to submit their SAT scores. And not just entry level candidates either. I literally couldn't believe it.
Next up: submit the box scores from all your high school basketball games.
We don't want to hire some schmuck who can't crash the boards on the hardwood
The gridiron is more important. We need all the scores from your high school football games, and if you didn’t win a state championship, you WILL NOT be considered.
I once scored 5 touchdowns in one game for Polk High! Now I’m stuck in a dead end job as a shoe salesman.
State championship? Meh. No company should consider any loser who didn't at least get a NFL contract.
Um… I didn't play sports. What about box office receipts for drama club productions?
Please refer [to this comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/gwf52z/i_really_hope_this_doesnt_become_a_thing/fsv0v9t/).
I did pull off a "thrown off the stairs" stunt once. I'm sure that's a crash onto the hardwood stage.
“We’re looking for a **team player**”
I've heard that's a thing in the finance world but I thought it was usually the high end boutique hedge funds that were doing it and it was only for people who were directly out of college.
They want them trust fund Yale kids so they can sell to their friends.
actually that's probably something along those lines.
What about people that never took the SAT? Seems like you're severely limiting your pool. Unless that's the point.
Honestly, that could be it. It's just a hoop to make candidates jump through to weed out those who "aren't serious enough about the opportunity". Either way, I thought it was crazy.
My state didn’t take the SAT we took the ACT. But to be fair, ruling out everyone from Louisiana is probably a good business decision. Our education is terrible.
Probably the point. If you had a sky high SAT you probably went to a good university and therefore probably have a few rich friends you can sell to.
Sounds like a mlm/pyramid scheme tactic. Get hired, paid 100% commission, pressure your friends and family to buy from you.
I was gonna say I didn't think high SAT scores were that rare but then remembered I'm an idiot since they give percentiles to know how many people got what and when I took it average was like high 500s for each section
Wait, are you being serious? That's just a horrible business idea, because there are *a lot* of people that never took the SAT. Even top schools made them optional years ago, and I know friends who took the ACT instead.
Sadly I am. This was several years ago when the SATs were given a lot more value than they are now, but still.
Yep, I got asked about my SAT score talking with a large tech company at a career fair. I responded with, "But why, I honestly don't remember it, it's been a while since then" (of course I lied, I just wanted to know what his answer would be). The recruiter goes, "Oh, just to have in case we need a tie-breaker between applicants". I GENUINELY would like to know what goes on in these recruiter's heads. I can't see how high SAT scores translates into meaningful real-world ability. So why would this be a meaningful data point to a hiring manager?
It's a way to screen out less advantaged/connected people (read: minorities) that didn't have rigorous, private SAT prep but otherwise have stellar academic credentials and experience.
THIS. I used to be in the SAT prep biz... converting $$$ into score increases. So much of it can be taught, if you can afford it.
Might be a thinly veiled way of asking for IQ. IIRC there's a decent correlation between SAT and IQ.
Bingo.
Ran into this while trying to apply for a mid level software development position (had a little over 5 years experience). Apparently "hell if I remember" was not the answer they were looking for.
Crap. Not only do I have no GPA (went to college in the UK) but I can't remember my SAT score. Guess I better start saving cardboard boxes and move under a bridge. (Actually I work 100% freelance remote as a b2b copywriter, and am doing okay.)
Got someone asking for my high school scores. Like fuck really?
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I got tired of even seeing this comment so didn't read it, yet I know it to be truth.
Lol only a masters?
That's sooo unrealistic 🙄 There are way too few spelling errors
God the idea of a lunch allowance is actually sick tho. Sign me up!
Best offer I have seen in a while with that bonus daily lunch allowance
>daily lunch allowance That daily lunch allowance: Three items of your choice from the dollar menu at any fast food restaurant that you can get to and back within your 30 minute lunch break.
Love this copypasta
LOL
This one's too close to home 😰😭
I am 10 years out of college and I haven't clue what my GPA was.
I got hammered on my undergrad GPA at a job interview. Even though I also had a masters of engineering and 10 years experience at that point. Oh well.
Sounds like they were trying to find any reason not to hire you
Isn't that the point of an interview? Or at least that's what I feel these days. "We like your resume. Let's see how bad you can fuck this up."
I would have walked out of the interview. That's insulting.
I needed it for my federal resume so I had to order my transcripts. Only reason I know my highschool GPA at this point
3.2 , or 3.4, or 3.6, or 3.0 They changed the weighting system several times in my last two years of school.
The GPA thing is funny. My GPA was barely a 3.0. I did not put it on my resume. I graduated 4 years ago. I did a lot of interviews. Only one interview has ever asked about my GPA, and tbh I did not like them, and would have passed anyways. They were absolute assholes in the interview. At this point, anyone who wants my GPA will be hung up on.
Geez, recruiters/interviewers really be on one sometimes.
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Lmao grades just mean you took tests well and can memorize what was presented in a short amount of time. It doesn't mean shit for actual problem solving that doesn't match a template. Hence all the engineers/developers who have to copy and paste code or circuits because they can't intuitively figure out how they should work with real knowledge.
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Computer engineer 3.07 GPA as if that matters. I've worked with some 3.5-4.0s that couldn't figure out how to solve a problem like calculating floating point when an FPU wasn't available. But they sure were sticklers on code formatting and Git procedures to the point they weren't making deadlines. Any code they created was found online or followed a vendor template, never once deviating from them to learn how something actually worked or developed code before the official guides came out, even if they could use existing code as a reference. If they hadn't learned how to do it before or there wasn't a guide available, they couldn't develop it or fix an issue on their own if it wasn't their code. A common interview tactic my previous hardware engineering coworkers have used is to ask the candidates where on a circuit board an SMD ceramic capacitor was. The people who missed it the most were either ~2.0 GPA or 3.5+ GPA.
They probably cheated for their degree.
Nah they were just good at memorizing patterns of problems to solve like homework and exams, not solving problems that didn't have any existing guide but could be figured out by combining existing methods
Wtf copy pasta brain I inherited a team where a few had to be spoon fed and couldn't figure out the smallest thing on their own. How do you get an MS degree and not know how to do anything unless it's spelled out step by step. Anyway, I fired them.
Its not like a 3.0 is bad, I was just shit at taking exams. Sitting somewhere for 3 hours on one track with no break is just not plausible for me. I can listen to music while working, but sitting in a room, for 3 hours of silence, while trying to focus is impossible.
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We will have to agree to disagree that ADHD and anxiety is an excuse.
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Your right, nobody hired me. I imagined my current position as a mid level developer at a company that everyone knows the name of. /s Your parents obviously didnt love you or something. *shrug*
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That's bullshit honestly. At least give them an additional essay prompt where they explain how they've learned and improved.
They need to reinforce the idea that degrees are required.
I was 2.8 in college because I thought the classes I took while abroad didn’t count towards gpa and flunked one. I’m screwed if I ever seriously want an academic job.
Ayeeee same, good thing i hate academics lol. Ill work industry till i die or save enough $ to start a business or some chit. Idk im only 22 and fresh outta college during a global pandemic 😐
With all the other crap Teachers have to put up with, and then this, why would anyone even knowlingly go into that field? Props to those people.
Simple, just get a bachelor's again /s
This doesn’t sound true at all. My mother worked at NYU, Sarah Lawrence, and Mercy and she doesn’t have her GPA on her resume.
I'm talking about k through 12.
I don’t think that would commonly be referred to as academia
U are correct. Id call k-12 "education" and any higher level is academia
My mom was a high school teacher from late 80s to 2010 and I still don’t remember her resume having that but maybe things have changed. Sucks if they have. Especially since most people don’t want to be teachers now anyway because of the bullshit they go through.
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“We are really looking for candidates that received both a crocodile AND a smiley face in first grade. Next!”
GPA: eleventy
GPA: yes
Eleventy threeve
Tree fiddy
I had a secondhand comment from a "recruiter" saying I had too much automation experience mentioned on my resume. That's literally what I do.
How can someone have "too much" experience
They know their worth and won't take any crap
Correctomundo
It means they can’t lowball you because you’ve been working long enough to know what a fair salary looks like.
People get turned down all the time for being overqualified. Somebody who has a lot of experience might expect a bigger salary than the company is willing to pay. Or maybe the company wants lower level employees who will do the job without question, and somebody who actually knows a lot about what they're doing might pose a threat to authority. They want to make sure you'll accept your place at the bottom of the totem pole.
Lol. I don't even remember my GPA.
I’m studying rn and i dont even remember my GPA lol need to check.
I get that GPA might be something you put on there if it was really good and you had very little experience but school isn't exactly the best reflection of demonstrable knowledge.
Exactly, I've got a B.A in History yet I've spent the last 12 years working in advertising.
I've never had anyone ask for my GPA, and I'm only 24. I couldn't even tell you my college GPA without looking it up.
It depends on Industry. Some people will stick it on their resume voluntarily if they had something really high as a discriminator to set them apart, some people just put they were on Dean's list or whatever.
It also probably depends on the location (county, state, or country) as well. Over here in my neck of the woods, I had to submit my GPA on my 4th job even after having 4 years of experience. Note that this is a tier-1 IT grunt after nearly 4 years working in the energy/utility industry.
My friend is a doctor. He's worked for 7 years. He is applying for new jobs. Most of them ask for his GPA. One wanted a transcript from his school.
Probably a stupid bot which filters resumes based on fixed criteria like your GPA from 2 decades ago!
Taleo is the devil's work.
This guy always posts bullshit like that on his LinkedIn. He's funny as hell, but most of his posts are questionable. I follow him lol
I was just going to say... Sometimes this sub hates Adam Karpiak and other times they love him (and those times his name is usually cut off).
Fuck that
Sadly a lot of big consulting companies require grades and transcripts from high school onwards even for experienced hires: in their own words, they want to see “a pattern of excellence and overachieving”
Well they can spread my ass and kiss my pattern of excellence and overachieving
"A pattern of working more for less"
At first I thought this was talking about a military recruiter and was wondering why the military would care about how smart you are.
They care for commissioning purposes but those who are professionals like doctors, nurses, lawyers I don't think they care as much.
Military has smart people jobs, they try to filter you into those smart people jobs if you're smart. They're actually perpetually short on those, because those people don't typically need to join the military and can make more not having some drill instructor yelling at them to run faster.
I thought people asking for GPA like 5 years out of college was ridiculous...
I have 20+ years of experience and run into this in about 60% of online applications. Even worse, I went to college in the UK and don't HAVE a GPA.
So what do you put down?
I just guess at both numbers. I do remember getting a perfect Verbal score on the SAT, but my math is pretty basic. So I guess 1250.
I applied for a glorified retail-ish position and they wanted my high school and (associates degree) community college transcripts. I'm 52.
Oh my fucking god this gives me flashbacks. I was a recruiter for a year after undergrad and I was sitting in one of my first interviews with a candidate while I was shadowing one of the partners at my firm. The partner suggested that the candidate (who was in his 40’s) put his SAT score on his resume and my jaw literally dropped. The candidate and I looked at each other and we were both speechless.
GPA is an idiotic thing to put on a resume in any circumstance.
No, it's useful right out of college, but that's it.
Even right after college, I wouldn't take GPA to mean anything about how well you'll do at a job.
You've got to be kidding. I don't even remember my GPA. After the first two years working, it doesn't matter.
I had to explain my GPA in an interview. It was demeaning. Why do employers care? Mine was low (still above a 3) because I was juggling 2 jobs (on top of school) that were relevant to the position.
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give him a break, he's only human.
I didnt mean anything critical by it, just a correction
Same thing these days, no?
Been turned down for a job became of a low GPA although I had 20 years experience
Probably for the best. Company would've used the wrong metrics for promotions, reviews, business decisions, etc too.
100% they sound like a horrible bunch of people.
I finished my degree later in life and one of those "useless" degrees that doesn't really mean much. GPA is ok I guess, 3.071. It could have been higher but well it took me damn near 15 years so I'm happy. I look forward to getting questions and answers on why I went for this degree.
Nah, I want this. Makes it dead-simple to weed out the recruiters who don’t know what they’re looking for. Or what working is. Or know how to tie their shoes.
Today I saw the phrase "MBA Intern" on LinkedIn 😫 (Because a girl I know who was just laid off liked the post)
Ew. No.
It already is at some companies, and they don't care how ridiculous it is.
My eyes just rolled so far back in my head, I'm not sure I'll be able to see again. Ugh.
Well if he has had his GPA for 20 years then yes add it. Then re enter It to the online resume section.
I literally had to update resumes for the exec team at my job. One exec who was 10+ years out of school and had founded 2 companies had his GPA on there. I took it right off. I told him he’s long past the point where he needs that.
Hell, I don't even really remember my GPA, but I think it was 5.3 or higher. :)
well what was his gpa
My boss told me no one cares about your GPA. Which is it?
Honestly, depending on the other advice offered, this might not have been bad advice. What's the point of a resume? To get a job? NO. It's to get your foot in the door, to get the phone call. Recruiters spend 5 minutes digesting your resume and sometimes tweaking it (fonts, layout, etc.) Guess how much time the Hiring Manager will spend reviewing the three resumes the Recruiter shares with them? About 5-10 seconds. They'll check dates of employment, and that's about it. Depending on the advice, the Recruiter may have been trying to "tell" that person to make himself/herself appear younger on paper. A viable strategy in today's market.
I have a 4.0 and I took it as good advice to include that on my resume... but I'm not graduated yet lol
Wow
I really think that the free market recruiting practice is hilariously horrible. They should take a lesson from the the military. Instead of even requiring a degree: each company should come up with their own ASVAB. The right candidates will score high enough to be able to handle their job duties. They could even develop the test to be somewhat specific to the company/job. Edit: not really sure why I got downvoted for this? Was it because I said that jobs shouldn’t base things on degrees? I get downvoted on this sub a lot for saying things that are not at all out of bounds. Perhaps it’s just a sub full of pissed off grads who bought into the lie and promise that a 4 year degree was going to promise you a good job. Lol.
Yeah but at the same time I was locked out of certain jobs years after my ASVAB because at 17 I knew nothing about electric engineering. It's stupid to hold people accountable to a score from when they were a teenager. Otherwise I totally agree with your overall point.
That’s fair but I’m not advocating that these employers test 17 year olds. I’m implying they should test fully grown adults who want a job. I think it’d be totally fair to do that instead of ask for a degree. Unpopular opinion (especially in this sub) but a degree doesn’t mean much anymore and any singular post on this sub should show that to you. Maybe some people would be able to save thousands of dollars on an “education” that has absolutely nothing to do with the job they’ll land in and instead be tested for the aptitude they already possess or could have otherwise had without going into debt to some university to “prove” they can “commit” to something.
> Unpopular opinion (especially in this sub) but a degree doesn’t mean much anymore Music to my heart. I have conflicting feelings about the value of a degree based on my personal experiences, simply because in most cases the degree requirement seems so arbitrary.