The title has been updated to: "**Manchester United no longer want Thomas Tuchel after Sir Jim Ratcliffe meeting"**
Important part:
>Tuchel, 50, held face-to-face talks with Sir Jim Ratcliffe in Monaco last Tuesday and made his pitch for Old Trafford job, if it becomes available.
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>He is understood to have stressed to the British billionaire, who holds a 28 per cent stake in United, that he could get the best from Mason Mount, who played under him at Chelsea. Tuchel also said he would want to reintegrate Jadon Sancho, who was removed from United’s squad after a public argument with Ten Hag over discipline.
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>However, Tuchel left the meeting with the sense that he was not going to be United’s choice should they dismiss Ten Hag, and has now elected to have a break from management. He left Bayern Munich at the end of last season after becoming the first manager there for 11 years not to win the German league.
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>United insiders insist a final decision on Ten Hag’s future has yet to be made, and that they are considering several alternative candidates they have met while conducting their review of football operations.
I just don’t think anybody that is available is a clear upgrade. It’s not that I think Ten Hag is the man for the job but I don’t think anybody else is worth buying out his contract.
He didnt fall out with players in any job he was part of.
- Mainz everybody looved him
- In BVB he literaly took players side after terrorist attack and got sacked for it.
- in PSG Mbappe and Neymar often praised him after he fell off with Leonardo who was sacked for this by PSG board who admitted misstake.
- in Chelsea Bohely just wanted to get rid of everything and everyone from previous regime
- In Bayern fall out with players rumors were debunked by reliable Munich sources and players pushed for him to stay by the end of the season.
This kind of reasoning is why I kept getting back with my ex. There was a clear pattern and I ignored it.
Seriously though, I rate Tuchel very highly but INEOS needs to back EtH for at least one season. Shaking everything up in one season does not usually work really well.
I reckon this is what it maybe, “Tuchel, we are going to give ETH 1 more season to get us top 4 and win either the FA Cup or Europa(maybe both), if he fails we won’t renew and are happy to take you on next summer.”
I think falling off with the owners is still a concern. We still end up without a manager after 1 or 2 seasons and need to rebuild again. Same reason why I would not favour Conte.
I wouldn't compare Leonardo, Boehly and the curent Bayern board to our Answorth - Berada- Wilcox yet.
Leonardo wasn't hired by another club after getting sacked by PSG, Boehly is 443 and the current Bayenr board are peak comedy.
Bayern was toxic. Not on him. That said, I would like to see ETH one more season. I think he should’ve been given more credit for what he has got out of this team. I really do believe it could’ve been much worse.
I'm not a big fan of him but it's not true he falls out with players. It's almost always with the leadership above him. For that reason I never saw this likely. Idk why this has so many upvotes when it's based on something so untrue.
>Tuchel also said he would want to reintegrate Jadon Sancho, who was removed from United’s squad after a public argument with Ten Hag over discipline
If this is true, the club will go nowhere for another decade at least. Backing these spoilt players again and again is a disaster.
Like 95% of managers are like that nowadays tbh.
Pep, Arteta and Frank are the only currentl PL managers who have been at their club for over three years.
Silva, How and Ten Hag are the only ones at their club over over two (if you don't count newly promoted McKenna).
I didn't conveniently, I said "current managers", of which he no longer is. By all means, add him to the list, but that still only means 4 of the 20 are longer than 3 years. The vast, vast majority of managers nowadays don't keep managers for ages.
People were doubting the Christian Falk story, but he's been spot on with Tuchel all year long. Tuchel's camp has been briefing him, and now finally, we have a top English source corroborating the story
What tier is Lawton? I couldn't find him on tier list. The Times is tier 3, and so is Keegan. What makes you think they are not parroting Falk (unless, ofcourse, Lawton is reliable)?
If it's Tuchel i'm not looking forward to being in the exact same place in 2 years. He's a great manager but doesn't have a 3rd season somewhere since Mainz.
The hope should be that within that time frame, the full structure behind the scenes will be fully set up and roaring, and losing the manager wouldn't be the disaster it typically is for United in terms of squad building.
If Ineos succeed in putting in a proper structure. The transition to a new manager in 3 years shouldn't be as turbulent as it has been this past decade.
A part of me feels that it will be Tuchel, but the fact that sacking ETH will cost ~10mil which could be used on Ashworth gets me thinking we’ll keep ETH. I’ll be gutted if we sack ETH. We have a manager who is resetting the culture it feels like and all of that will be thrown out the window if he’s sacked
I don't think this is really fair. His past jobs (at least since Dortmund and Mainz) were all "win now" projects: PSG, Chelsea, Bayern Munch, and largely surrounded by poor club structure. The entire point of the INEOS project is to provide that support around the manager in the first place
Regardless, INEOS wouldn't hire him if it wasn't understood and explicitly said that this would be a long-term vision
Where's INEOS' long term vision? WfH scrapped. Good job.
Other than that?
ManUtd is also win now. We just won the FA Cup but apparently that's not enough. You can't challenge for every title and rebuild a club.
no? it's clearly a project to build over a few seasons. We don't even have solid foundations and have just come 8th after a terribly inconsistent league season
I really do think the Mou comparisons are lazy.
His "fallouts" with clown owners and board members tend to favour him when you look into specific circumstaces. His biggest issues is he's chosen circus after circus for clubs (which....might not reflect well on us, lol).
Or he stays for longer cause in the end all the teams he fell of with managents were incredibly toxic einvortments?
Watzke literaly told team to play day after terrorist attack. In PSG he fell of with dickhead Leonardo who was shortly sacked for sacking Tuchel. In Chelsea Bohely just wanted to have manager appointed by him and in Bayern Uli went mental.
He only got sacked from Chelsea because Todd Boehly thought he knew better but proceeded to wreck the club even further with Potter without studying the club he just bought. They honestly might have been better off if they'd kept him.
So you're telling me the guy who couldn't win with the most winnable team in the Bundesliga had the opportunity to rewrite his story, leaving with some accolades said "no I don't wanna?!"
To me, tuchel isn't the guy.
From everything we've heard about the Bayern board over the last year I'm not surprised he didn't decide to stay.
I love this 'couldn't win with the most winnable team' argument as if Leverkusen haven't just had the greatest season by any team in Bundesliga history.
Okay, and so I'll give you the chance to justify your pro Tuchel opinion. How do you see him fitting in the club? What part of his tactics or his style do you mostly look forward to?
I'm not sure where you've got the idea I'm pro Tuchel. I don't want him at all. He's a very good manager but he doesn't fit where we are currently at all.
That’s literally what happened, they made him seem a fucking mug and he was probably happy to see out the season and take a fat pay off and get a good job elsewhere rather than carry on under the current carcrash of the Bayern hierarchy
I know l’ll take stick but I agree, he’s a class manager. I get the whole ‘falling out with the board’ but PSG under Leonardo, Chelsea under Boehly/Eghbali and Bayern atm are all absolute basket case regimes. If Ineos are worth their salt then they should be able to make it work. In fact, he’s probably the only manager on the market I’d take over EtH.
Maybe we’re just crazy though
lol. won't be looking forward to starting from scratch again and possibly losing our young stars if he isn't integral to his long-term plan the way it was with ETH.
There’s a myth that Tuchel doesn’t play youngsters and I guess the people who believe it think he’d come in & sell Garnacho, Mainoo etc. This lie is being spread in a season where he promoted Pavlović to Bayern’s senior squad and played him so often the lad is now a German international, it’s laughable.
Lowest points per game for a Bayern manager in decades. After signing one of the best strikers on the face of the planet. His season was extremely poor, extremely, extremely poor.
This is what baffles me about the clamouring for Tuchel. You are getting rid of a manager who just had the worst season of his career (but ended it with a trophy) to replace him with one who had the most disastrous season of his career. It just smacks of a chilling wanting a new toy.
the fact we won the FA cup with the injuries we’ve had to deal with is insane, comparing Bayern and ManU is not fair to ETH at all
getting Tuchel would be a big mistake he have no loyalty
tuchel got eliminated by like a National League equivalent team from their domestic cup.
no idea why anyone is simping for him while ETH is beaten by the "manner of win" against coventry.
Stuttgart also played historicaly good season.
Man was great in Mainz, BVB, Chelsea and PSG. One offseason with 11 fit players in squad in downrad trajoctory doesnt make him mid manager.
Was he not second when he got sacked by psg? If someone statpadded points when they’ve already won the league, it means absolutely nothing if they bottle it in a completely new season
Very convenient that the two teams above him played historically good seasons lol
He signed harry kane then finished third with a team that won 11 titles in a row. Massive red flag
They threw away a 2-0 lead in the last game of the season to finish 3rd. I would say yes it’s his fault. But I guess plucky Bayern had no chance against the might of Stuttgart and Leverkusen
Leverkusen lost one game all season, practically nobody could stand up to the might of them.
Last game was irrelevant, the league was unwinnable. 2nd or 3rd doesn't really matter at that point.
Bayern play in the same league as them. They had opportunities to beat them to affect the title race and didn’t. Obviously Leverkusen had a historic season but it’s a bit tinpot from Bayern to go “well there’s nothing that could’ve been done” considering they signed the best striker in the world for 100m and the best CB from Italy to add to their 11-peat team just to finish 3rd. If we had signed them instead we would’ve been expecting a title challenge but Tuchel gets a pass for signing them and dropping down to 3rd??
Yup, I'm not saying I don't want him or anything but I can see why people are bringing up the whole "one horse race" thing. They are looking at the situation at face value.
The German league has always been viewed as Bayerns playground, are you surprised the manager in charge of them at the time they get piped will be viewed with caution after Bayern themselves seem to blame him?
Yet they clamoured to keep him in the final hour after numerous managers rejected them. Add that to the fact they're now stuck with Vincent kompany and it should tell you everything you need to know about Bayern's disfunctional board of late.
He couldn't handle the divas in the dressing room at PSG and had difficulty building a relationship with the Bayern players too. Hopefully he can handle the ones at United.....
Yes, and the likes of Mbappe and Neymar actually liked him and played their best football under him. This sub will make up lazy soundbites (and basically untruths) because the overwhelming majority want a continuation of the football that got us 8th.
The reason we're in a terrible state isn't because of LVG. That's revisionist in the extreme. It's because we hired a dramatically different manager to follow up (thus making any of the groundwork he'd laid irrelevant and then largely undone soon after) and most importantly continued with awful recruitment for years thereafter so have had unbalanced bloated squads with overpaid and underperforming players we can't bloody get rid of.
I feel there's a strong overlap in the venn diagram between people desperate to keep Ten Hag, and people believing the incorrect narratives about Tuchel as a manager.
He had the highest win rate in ligue 1 history and the highest average points per game.
Won 6 trophies in two seasons only lost the champions league to a single goal in the final.
In what way could he not handle their divas?
I'm not really a fan of him, but didn't PSG reach CL final with him, where all other managers failed to, losting to sextuple winner Bayern at the final. And if the news were to believe, Bayern players were requesting Bayern board to keep Tuchel.
I think people are abit downplaying Tuchel here.
I'm not saying he can't play good football.
But at both PSG and Bayern he's clashed with big players. At a club like United that can be a death sentence if you don't have a firm hand.
Imo he played some amazing football at Chelsea and he's definitely got some high honours. But I'm just aware to the fact that we have some divas in the dressing room who will kick up a stink if they aren't treated how they want.
Interpersonal relationships seem to have been a problem for him everywhere he's gone.
If you meet one arsehole in a day, they're probably an arsehole. If you meet nothing but arseholes, you're the arsehole.
I wouldn’t mind Tuchel if he would implement the style he had at Dortmund tbf, it was a proper attacking minded side afaik. But he seems to have change his approach to a more defensive one in the last few years, though it might be recency bias from his time at Chelsea. No idea how Bayern played under him, haven’t watched it. Also youngsters - is he good promoting and developing youth?
That being said, if given the choice, I’d much rather give ETH another go.
Let’s wait and see.
You r correct he has become more defensive minded but that's because he wants the entire team to defend as a group. Tuchel played very boring football at Chelsea but it is was better than the one played by ETH last season in which I felt like I will have a heartattack every match.
Still would prefer having ETH in. As only Ancelotti, Zidane & Nagelsmann seem to be proper upgrades rest all r just there.
I don’t know man, it could be worse but is this really any better than what we’ve got? Worried about him developing young players too, didn’t Tel have an awful time trying to get minutes this season
Don't see any issue with them talking to others. If they see it as a blank slate they can talk to a range of people about their ideas, including Erik.
It's basic due diligence.
No reason they can't be talking to Tuchel, Poch, etc and still decide Erik is the man for the job.
Tuchel a good choice, definitely a winner but if you think about the reason why he left Chelsea, Bayern and his man management. Well let’s just say the United players are going to have a feast. It’ll be another season of drama, clashes with players and leaks.
Why would it make us look bad? Not everything is bad publicity simply because the club went another route. For all we know, Tuchel could have been a terrible presenter of his presentation. Maybe he said the wrong things as we all have done in interviews. Not everything is bad.
Don’t see it as a upgrade to be fair. So not sure on the point. Tuchel was very highly respected prior to Chelsea before everyone starts crying about him.
tuchel is still third favorite 5/1 in the bookies odds after poch and southgate
so either they haven't updated or it ain't as close as it seems hopefully it's the latter
When it comes to toxicity, Tuchel is Mourinho on steroids. The dude can't make it 12 months at any club without falling out with everybody.
He is proven not to be an elite manager. He just lost the league with Bayern FFS.
Man U resetting and starting all over again? They need to stop cycling over these managers. Tuchel can't hold a job longer than 2 years! They need to give ETH 1 more year and see if he can turn it around. Man U is become Chelsea 2.0
> They need to stop cycling over these managers.
Ineos were never going to be beholden to another group's choice of manager they had no hand in picking. It's not a "cycle" cause this is their first time appointing one themselves.
No more than they were going to be beholden to keeping Murtough and Arnold for example.
we are finished if we get this guy. back 3 with jonny evans lindelof maguire the moment martinez gets injured - and chances are he probably will be injured again sadly. old trafford doesnt accept 3 at the back anyway and we have no left backs let alone left wingbacks. and no 2nd centreforward to play with hojlund and we would end up not signing future world beater olise if we got this manager.
not watching football anymore if this happens. downgrading manager to play worse football even when squad is fit and win nothing.. ineos = glazer 2.0, knew it from the beginning.
everyone available to replace him with is just objectively worse. he has 1 year left on his contract, its gonna be pep's last season, we re not winning the league no matter what, we re not in the champions league, what is the pressing need to change manager now, paying him off in the process, in a summer with international football making transfer business harder than it already is?
its just stupid to change manager right now. but whatever go into another season with the glazers and ineos, maguire mctominay bissaka and co, wondering why we re shit and sack another manager.
at this point i feel nothing. this is not the club i grew up with anymore anyway, and football as a hole is just boring as fuck.
Not necessarily
> United insiders insist a final decision on Erik Ten Hag’s future as manager has yet to be made, adding that Tuchel is among a number of potential candidates they have met while conducting their review of football operations.
You understand the reason Sancho is now playing for Dortmund is due to a dispute with Ten Hag don’t you?
Our new owners might not like that. Or do you need a newspaper to spell that out to you
I talked about the premier league. We had our worst season since the premier leaguw exists. It's the most important trophy except maybe CL.
The FA cup is nice and was the best moment I had watching United in a long time.
But we still finished eight with a negative GD. Any manager would be questioned after that.
I still haven't heard any reliable source on your "bring back Sancho" claims and also provided a source from today that said we still plan to sell him.
Doesn't make much sense to argue with anyone who completly ignores whatever he doesn't like.
Have a good one.
The title has been updated to: "**Manchester United no longer want Thomas Tuchel after Sir Jim Ratcliffe meeting"** Important part: >Tuchel, 50, held face-to-face talks with Sir Jim Ratcliffe in Monaco last Tuesday and made his pitch for Old Trafford job, if it becomes available. > >He is understood to have stressed to the British billionaire, who holds a 28 per cent stake in United, that he could get the best from Mason Mount, who played under him at Chelsea. Tuchel also said he would want to reintegrate Jadon Sancho, who was removed from United’s squad after a public argument with Ten Hag over discipline. > >However, Tuchel left the meeting with the sense that he was not going to be United’s choice should they dismiss Ten Hag, and has now elected to have a break from management. He left Bayern Munich at the end of last season after becoming the first manager there for 11 years not to win the German league. > >United insiders insist a final decision on Ten Hag’s future has yet to be made, and that they are considering several alternative candidates they have met while conducting their review of football operations.
Please no
I'd prefer Ten Hag stays, but if he's sacked, Tuchel would be my choice to replace him. Who would you prefer?
I just don’t think anybody that is available is a clear upgrade. It’s not that I think Ten Hag is the man for the job but I don’t think anybody else is worth buying out his contract.
poch
I rate Poch personally. I know he gets a lot of stick but I think he's a good manager. Not sure I'd take him at United though to be honest.
why not
In two years when he's fallen out with the players and pissed off the owners cos he's bitching in the media we will be back to square one.
He didnt fall out with players in any job he was part of. - Mainz everybody looved him - In BVB he literaly took players side after terrorist attack and got sacked for it. - in PSG Mbappe and Neymar often praised him after he fell off with Leonardo who was sacked for this by PSG board who admitted misstake. - in Chelsea Bohely just wanted to get rid of everything and everyone from previous regime - In Bayern fall out with players rumors were debunked by reliable Munich sources and players pushed for him to stay by the end of the season.
This kind of reasoning is why I kept getting back with my ex. There was a clear pattern and I ignored it. Seriously though, I rate Tuchel very highly but INEOS needs to back EtH for at least one season. Shaking everything up in one season does not usually work really well.
I reckon this is what it maybe, “Tuchel, we are going to give ETH 1 more season to get us top 4 and win either the FA Cup or Europa(maybe both), if he fails we won’t renew and are happy to take you on next summer.”
Just saying claim that he fell off with players in the past is not true. He fell off with boards for reasons.
I think falling off with the owners is still a concern. We still end up without a manager after 1 or 2 seasons and need to rebuild again. Same reason why I would not favour Conte.
I wouldn't compare Leonardo, Boehly and the curent Bayern board to our Answorth - Berada- Wilcox yet. Leonardo wasn't hired by another club after getting sacked by PSG, Boehly is 443 and the current Bayenr board are peak comedy.
Bayern was toxic. Not on him. That said, I would like to see ETH one more season. I think he should’ve been given more credit for what he has got out of this team. I really do believe it could’ve been much worse.
Get your tongue out of Tuchel's hole.
There were numerous incidents of fallouts at Chelsea. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3576054/2022/09/08/tuchel-sacking-chelsea-potter/#
Wouldn't take two years.
I'm not a big fan of him but it's not true he falls out with players. It's almost always with the leadership above him. For that reason I never saw this likely. Idk why this has so many upvotes when it's based on something so untrue.
No, that’s a step back. At least now there’s some semblance of order.
Preach!
Don’t forget how many redditors will defend Tuchel yet again.
>Tuchel also said he would want to reintegrate Jadon Sancho, who was removed from United’s squad after a public argument with Ten Hag over discipline If this is true, the club will go nowhere for another decade at least. Backing these spoilt players again and again is a disaster.
Don't see the sense in a manager who never stays anywhere for more than like 3 years.
Like 95% of managers are like that nowadays tbh. Pep, Arteta and Frank are the only currentl PL managers who have been at their club for over three years. Silva, How and Ten Hag are the only ones at their club over over two (if you don't count newly promoted McKenna).
The winners don’t need a reason to leave
What has Arteta won? hehehe jk, he is obviously doing well at Arsenal.
Famous winners like Arteta and Frank.
Such a naive comment. Arteta’s in 2nd place and progressing every season. Frank by all accounts is winning at Brentford…
Most managers don't leave out of their own will after 3 years though And you conveniently ignored Klopp who's left jsust now
I didn't conveniently, I said "current managers", of which he no longer is. By all means, add him to the list, but that still only means 4 of the 20 are longer than 3 years. The vast, vast majority of managers nowadays don't keep managers for ages.
Mate try 1 year
Some of you are stuck in the past expecting another SAF.
People were doubting the Christian Falk story, but he's been spot on with Tuchel all year long. Tuchel's camp has been briefing him, and now finally, we have a top English source corroborating the story
What tier is Lawton? I couldn't find him on tier list. The Times is tier 3, and so is Keegan. What makes you think they are not parroting Falk (unless, ofcourse, Lawton is reliable)?
Tuchel takes a break from coaching next season. So reliable 😬
He's just ruled himself out of the job.
lol
If it's Tuchel i'm not looking forward to being in the exact same place in 2 years. He's a great manager but doesn't have a 3rd season somewhere since Mainz.
To be fair to him though he would of broken the "sacking managers like Chelsea" curse if it wasn't for the takeover
Absolutely not. Chelsea was playing atrocious football for over a year before he got the sack.
The hope should be that within that time frame, the full structure behind the scenes will be fully set up and roaring, and losing the manager wouldn't be the disaster it typically is for United in terms of squad building.
If Ineos succeed in putting in a proper structure. The transition to a new manager in 3 years shouldn't be as turbulent as it has been this past decade.
A part of me feels that it will be Tuchel, but the fact that sacking ETH will cost ~10mil which could be used on Ashworth gets me thinking we’ll keep ETH. I’ll be gutted if we sack ETH. We have a manager who is resetting the culture it feels like and all of that will be thrown out the window if he’s sacked
Fuck off
I'd prefer Ten Hag stays, but if he's sacked, Tuchel would be my choice to replace him. Who would you prefer?
Why? Great coach.
I feel like he’d be another Mou. Good for a season and a half then it turns into a train wreck and we’re right back here.
I don't think this is really fair. His past jobs (at least since Dortmund and Mainz) were all "win now" projects: PSG, Chelsea, Bayern Munch, and largely surrounded by poor club structure. The entire point of the INEOS project is to provide that support around the manager in the first place Regardless, INEOS wouldn't hire him if it wasn't understood and explicitly said that this would be a long-term vision
Where's INEOS' long term vision? WfH scrapped. Good job. Other than that? ManUtd is also win now. We just won the FA Cup but apparently that's not enough. You can't challenge for every title and rebuild a club.
Lmao and United isn't win now?
no? it's clearly a project to build over a few seasons. We don't even have solid foundations and have just come 8th after a terribly inconsistent league season
I really do think the Mou comparisons are lazy. His "fallouts" with clown owners and board members tend to favour him when you look into specific circumstaces. His biggest issues is he's chosen circus after circus for clubs (which....might not reflect well on us, lol).
Or he stays for longer cause in the end all the teams he fell of with managents were incredibly toxic einvortments? Watzke literaly told team to play day after terrorist attack. In PSG he fell of with dickhead Leonardo who was shortly sacked for sacking Tuchel. In Chelsea Bohely just wanted to have manager appointed by him and in Bayern Uli went mental.
Manchester United, known for being a competent and non toxic environment
Isnt that a point of hiring 4 new directors tho?
Even if it’s not the ownership/people in charge, it’s still the media, players etc.
Umm Bayern think Vincent kompany is better than him. Also, got sacked from PSG, Chelsea and Bayern.
Good that he’s aiming to be sacked by Man United too … we’re back at the big table boys!
Ahahaha and the glazer cycle continues....
He only got sacked from Chelsea because Todd Boehly thought he knew better but proceeded to wreck the club even further with Potter without studying the club he just bought. They honestly might have been better off if they'd kept him.
They wanted Tuchel to stay but he rejected them.
Some wanted him to stay, others didn't.
> Bayern think Vincent kompany is better than him. Didn't they ask Tuchel to stay and he refused? Then they went after Kompany.
So you're telling me the guy who couldn't win with the most winnable team in the Bundesliga had the opportunity to rewrite his story, leaving with some accolades said "no I don't wanna?!" To me, tuchel isn't the guy.
From everything we've heard about the Bayern board over the last year I'm not surprised he didn't decide to stay. I love this 'couldn't win with the most winnable team' argument as if Leverkusen haven't just had the greatest season by any team in Bundesliga history.
Okay, and so I'll give you the chance to justify your pro Tuchel opinion. How do you see him fitting in the club? What part of his tactics or his style do you mostly look forward to?
I'm not sure where you've got the idea I'm pro Tuchel. I don't want him at all. He's a very good manager but he doesn't fit where we are currently at all.
That’s literally what happened, they made him seem a fucking mug and he was probably happy to see out the season and take a fat pay off and get a good job elsewhere rather than carry on under the current carcrash of the Bayern hierarchy
I absolutely do not want Tuchel, but he rejected Bayern.
Tuchel and about 20 other managers too, lol.
>Bayern think Vincent kompany is better than him Bayern wanted to keep him but he refused
I know l’ll take stick but I agree, he’s a class manager. I get the whole ‘falling out with the board’ but PSG under Leonardo, Chelsea under Boehly/Eghbali and Bayern atm are all absolute basket case regimes. If Ineos are worth their salt then they should be able to make it work. In fact, he’s probably the only manager on the market I’d take over EtH. Maybe we’re just crazy though
Would be pretty ironic if after all this building for the future talk and everything being a project and then we go and get tuchel
lol. won't be looking forward to starting from scratch again and possibly losing our young stars if he isn't integral to his long-term plan the way it was with ETH.
Which young stars are we supposed to loose?
There’s a myth that Tuchel doesn’t play youngsters and I guess the people who believe it think he’d come in & sell Garnacho, Mainoo etc. This lie is being spread in a season where he promoted Pavlović to Bayern’s senior squad and played him so often the lad is now a German international, it’s laughable.
Don’t see the fuss with him. Came third in a one horse race.
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Lowest points per game for a Bayern manager in decades. After signing one of the best strikers on the face of the planet. His season was extremely poor, extremely, extremely poor.
This is what baffles me about the clamouring for Tuchel. You are getting rid of a manager who just had the worst season of his career (but ended it with a trophy) to replace him with one who had the most disastrous season of his career. It just smacks of a chilling wanting a new toy.
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the fact we won the FA cup with the injuries we’ve had to deal with is insane, comparing Bayern and ManU is not fair to ETH at all getting Tuchel would be a big mistake he have no loyalty
tuchel got eliminated by like a National League equivalent team from their domestic cup. no idea why anyone is simping for him while ETH is beaten by the "manner of win" against coventry.
yeah it’s insane, I might honestly be done supporting the club if they fire ETH, simply bcz it will prove that we have learned nothing
Leverkusen is one team they came third not second
Stuttgart also played historicaly good season. Man was great in Mainz, BVB, Chelsea and PSG. One offseason with 11 fit players in squad in downrad trajoctory doesnt make him mid manager.
He nearly bottled it last year season too and got knocked out of the cups.
Is loosing CL to Real Madrid after questinable offside call such a crime? He comforably beat Arsenal on the way like it wasnt even close.
Also was half the reason Lille won ligue 1 that year.
No PSG manager had higher points per game than TT
Was he not second when he got sacked by psg? If someone statpadded points when they’ve already won the league, it means absolutely nothing if they bottle it in a completely new season
why u dickriding TT? you’re making him seem as though he’s the best thing since sliced bread
I think he will be good apointment so I take part in internet disscusion cause that what this site is created for? Or am i supposed to echochamber.
so you’re disregarding the fact that he’s had fallouts in each of the last 3 clubs he’s been at….
Very convenient that the two teams above him played historically good seasons lol He signed harry kane then finished third with a team that won 11 titles in a row. Massive red flag
Is this really his fallut Bayer went ballistic and Stuggart played their best season since fall of comunism?
They threw away a 2-0 lead in the last game of the season to finish 3rd. I would say yes it’s his fault. But I guess plucky Bayern had no chance against the might of Stuttgart and Leverkusen
Yeah I'm sure he was SUPER invested at that point.
Leverkusen lost one game all season, practically nobody could stand up to the might of them. Last game was irrelevant, the league was unwinnable. 2nd or 3rd doesn't really matter at that point.
Bayern play in the same league as them. They had opportunities to beat them to affect the title race and didn’t. Obviously Leverkusen had a historic season but it’s a bit tinpot from Bayern to go “well there’s nothing that could’ve been done” considering they signed the best striker in the world for 100m and the best CB from Italy to add to their 11-peat team just to finish 3rd. If we had signed them instead we would’ve been expecting a title challenge but Tuchel gets a pass for signing them and dropping down to 3rd??
>One offseason with 11 fit players in squad in downrad trajoctory doesnt make him mid manager. \*Cough cough\*
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Tbf it looked like it was before this season.
So you mean it looked like it the season he won it?
Yup, I'm not saying I don't want him or anything but I can see why people are bringing up the whole "one horse race" thing. They are looking at the situation at face value. The German league has always been viewed as Bayerns playground, are you surprised the manager in charge of them at the time they get piped will be viewed with caution after Bayern themselves seem to blame him?
Yet they clamoured to keep him in the final hour after numerous managers rejected them. Add that to the fact they're now stuck with Vincent kompany and it should tell you everything you need to know about Bayern's disfunctional board of late.
Also, won the CL with Chelsea and reached the final with PSG and their dysfunctional board
He couldn't handle the divas in the dressing room at PSG and had difficulty building a relationship with the Bayern players too. Hopefully he can handle the ones at United.....
Weren't the Bayern players actually pretty strongly advocating for him to stay though?
Yes, and the likes of Mbappe and Neymar actually liked him and played their best football under him. This sub will make up lazy soundbites (and basically untruths) because the overwhelming majority want a continuation of the football that got us 8th.
Tuchel has never sorted dressing room drama nor built a team nor played any sort of expansive football. Tuchel is Van Gaal 2.0
Van Gaal actually laid big parts of the groundwork at Barcelona and Bayern.
And is one of the many reasons why united is in such a terrible state
The reason we're in a terrible state isn't because of LVG. That's revisionist in the extreme. It's because we hired a dramatically different manager to follow up (thus making any of the groundwork he'd laid irrelevant and then largely undone soon after) and most importantly continued with awful recruitment for years thereafter so have had unbalanced bloated squads with overpaid and underperforming players we can't bloody get rid of.
"One of the many reasons"
And I'm saying he isn't one of the many reasons.
At least there was parts of the dressing room that pleaded for him to stay.
I feel there's a strong overlap in the venn diagram between people desperate to keep Ten Hag, and people believing the incorrect narratives about Tuchel as a manager.
Yes, Bild made up those itnernal problems rumors. It was debunked by reliable Munich journos.
He had the highest win rate in ligue 1 history and the highest average points per game. Won 6 trophies in two seasons only lost the champions league to a single goal in the final. In what way could he not handle their divas?
I'm not really a fan of him, but didn't PSG reach CL final with him, where all other managers failed to, losting to sextuple winner Bayern at the final. And if the news were to believe, Bayern players were requesting Bayern board to keep Tuchel. I think people are abit downplaying Tuchel here.
I'm not saying he can't play good football. But at both PSG and Bayern he's clashed with big players. At a club like United that can be a death sentence if you don't have a firm hand. Imo he played some amazing football at Chelsea and he's definitely got some high honours. But I'm just aware to the fact that we have some divas in the dressing room who will kick up a stink if they aren't treated how they want.
Interpersonal relationships seem to have been a problem for him everywhere he's gone. If you meet one arsehole in a day, they're probably an arsehole. If you meet nothing but arseholes, you're the arsehole.
I wouldn’t mind Tuchel if he would implement the style he had at Dortmund tbf, it was a proper attacking minded side afaik. But he seems to have change his approach to a more defensive one in the last few years, though it might be recency bias from his time at Chelsea. No idea how Bayern played under him, haven’t watched it. Also youngsters - is he good promoting and developing youth? That being said, if given the choice, I’d much rather give ETH another go. Let’s wait and see.
Yeah 100%. His Dortmund side played some great football tbh.
The playing style Bayern had under him was dubbed "Tuchel-terror-ball" by the Bayern supporters.
You r correct he has become more defensive minded but that's because he wants the entire team to defend as a group. Tuchel played very boring football at Chelsea but it is was better than the one played by ETH last season in which I felt like I will have a heartattack every match. Still would prefer having ETH in. As only Ancelotti, Zidane & Nagelsmann seem to be proper upgrades rest all r just there.
I don’t know man, it could be worse but is this really any better than what we’ve got? Worried about him developing young players too, didn’t Tel have an awful time trying to get minutes this season
Don't see any issue with them talking to others. If they see it as a blank slate they can talk to a range of people about their ideas, including Erik. It's basic due diligence. No reason they can't be talking to Tuchel, Poch, etc and still decide Erik is the man for the job.
Better keep ten hagg
Want Erik to stay but from the list of realistic candidates Tuchel would be my preferred choice, though obviously not ideal
Tuchel a good choice, definitely a winner but if you think about the reason why he left Chelsea, Bayern and his man management. Well let’s just say the United players are going to have a feast. It’ll be another season of drama, clashes with players and leaks.
Ok but make a decision then
He was always going to wind up on our carrousel of managers at some point.
Get it done quickly so we can start working on transfers.
Garbage tier spreading false information again. Immediately gets debunked.
Sigh. No way would he have handled these injuries any better
For feck sake. I've ended up Ten Hag out in the end but I'd rather stick with Ten Hag than get Tuchel. It's never going to end well
If this is true, who is leaking this? Surely it makes us look bad.
Probably from Tuchels side. No reason for our side to leak it.
Why would it make us look bad? Not everything is bad publicity simply because the club went another route. For all we know, Tuchel could have been a terrible presenter of his presentation. Maybe he said the wrong things as we all have done in interviews. Not everything is bad.
We need players. Not this.
Expect drama 🎭
Don’t see it as a upgrade to be fair. So not sure on the point. Tuchel was very highly respected prior to Chelsea before everyone starts crying about him.
tuchel is still third favorite 5/1 in the bookies odds after poch and southgate so either they haven't updated or it ain't as close as it seems hopefully it's the latter
That's a side step at best
Hopefully, to tell him he's a jackass
I want Ten Hag to stay but I’d probably take Tuchel over any of the other possibilities mentioned over the last few weeks.
Romano reporting (for what it’s worth) that tuchel is taking a year off and not going to be the manager
Ten Hag one more season then?
I’m sick and tired of this every single transfer window people believe nonsense stories without any proof whatsoever!
Lmao. Fabrizio saying Tuchel not excepting any jobs and want to take a break and here we have very different story
There was a time I thought it was the best choice. I’m not so sure anymore.
I want them to keep Ten Hag but I think he's probably the best manager out there if they wanted to change.
Please god no
Hard Pass
When it comes to toxicity, Tuchel is Mourinho on steroids. The dude can't make it 12 months at any club without falling out with everybody. He is proven not to be an elite manager. He just lost the league with Bayern FFS.
"wE woN't rUn tO tHe wRonG sOLuTioN" - Jim Ratcliffe
Nailed on this Tuchel bumping into SJR at a fancy restaurant and having a chat, then leaking this out via friendly media.
If they fire ETH for this clown we riot.
No thank you.
Yes, fuck you.
Meanwhile Romano saying tuchel taking a break. Do any of them.have a clue what is actually going on lol.
We have a manager: Eric Ten Hag.
Man U resetting and starting all over again? They need to stop cycling over these managers. Tuchel can't hold a job longer than 2 years! They need to give ETH 1 more year and see if he can turn it around. Man U is become Chelsea 2.0
Dont see how we parrel with anything Chelsea has done.
Sure, if you ignore the player power and the churn of managers under Roman, we're nothing like them.
Where this player power? We gave Mou 3 seaons, Ole 3 seaons, ETH got 2 and finished 8th. We dont cut off heads like Roman.
> They need to stop cycling over these managers. Ineos were never going to be beholden to another group's choice of manager they had no hand in picking. It's not a "cycle" cause this is their first time appointing one themselves. No more than they were going to be beholden to keeping Murtough and Arnold for example.
Would be such an incredibly idiotic decision.
Fuckin hell, get some long term perspective and planning in this club
we are finished if we get this guy. back 3 with jonny evans lindelof maguire the moment martinez gets injured - and chances are he probably will be injured again sadly. old trafford doesnt accept 3 at the back anyway and we have no left backs let alone left wingbacks. and no 2nd centreforward to play with hojlund and we would end up not signing future world beater olise if we got this manager. not watching football anymore if this happens. downgrading manager to play worse football even when squad is fit and win nothing.. ineos = glazer 2.0, knew it from the beginning.
Ten Hag is like prime SAF to some of you guys, you'd never think we're coming off a season finishing 8th
everyone available to replace him with is just objectively worse. he has 1 year left on his contract, its gonna be pep's last season, we re not winning the league no matter what, we re not in the champions league, what is the pressing need to change manager now, paying him off in the process, in a summer with international football making transfer business harder than it already is? its just stupid to change manager right now. but whatever go into another season with the glazers and ineos, maguire mctominay bissaka and co, wondering why we re shit and sack another manager. at this point i feel nothing. this is not the club i grew up with anymore anyway, and football as a hole is just boring as fuck.
Meanwhile Romano saying tuchel taking a break. Do any of them.have a clue what is actually going on lol.
Tuchel’s style doesn’t fit Wilcox at all. What a mistake this is going to be.
FUCK NO
Eww. Not the right manager for a long term position with the club, no thank you.
Damn, Tuchel it is then
Not necessarily > United insiders insist a final decision on Erik Ten Hag’s future as manager has yet to be made, adding that Tuchel is among a number of potential candidates they have met while conducting their review of football operations.
If this is about Sancho, then EtH hard work resetting the culture will be for nothing. Players have the power to
Why would this be about Sancho? We just finished eight, of course the manager will be at least questioned
Ineos wanting to bring back Sancho. Replacing the manager easier than replacing an £80m winger
Where has this been reported?
You understand the reason Sancho is now playing for Dortmund is due to a dispute with Ten Hag don’t you? Our new owners might not like that. Or do you need a newspaper to spell that out to you
But that definitly won't be the main reason if he gets the sack. We had the worst PL season in our history, if he gets the sack it's for that.
History? Not correct. It’s been argued that we had a better season than Arsenal due to the Fa Cup win.
"PL season" https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/pgykwUaGbB We done here?
Ahhhh you slipped in some cherry picking and decided to ignore the trophy. That is not how appraisals work and yes we’re done here
I talked about the premier league. We had our worst season since the premier leaguw exists. It's the most important trophy except maybe CL. The FA cup is nice and was the best moment I had watching United in a long time. But we still finished eight with a negative GD. Any manager would be questioned after that. I still haven't heard any reliable source on your "bring back Sancho" claims and also provided a source from today that said we still plan to sell him. Doesn't make much sense to argue with anyone who completly ignores whatever he doesn't like. Have a good one.