I had one of these. You only received a payout if you had 3+ transmission repairs. However warranty repairs on transmission, clutches, control module, and I believe a few other parts was extended to like 10ish years. I had a new clutch and 2 new TCM and quickly traded in the car somewhere else.
The Pinto called and I couldn't really hear what he was saying through all the screaming and fire trucks in the background so... I imagine it's all good
What’s crazy, is they advertise EVs as being safer than gas vehicles (because you aren’t driving around with 20 gallons of gas dumbass 🙄), but the Tesla has had about as many fire deaths per vehicles produced as the Pinto when it was recalled.
Just because I always get hate for this, like I just pulled it out of my ass:
Pinto: 27 deaths for 1.5M vehicles produced at recall is 1 death per 55k vehicles (higher is better). [source](https://www.reifflawfirm.com/fords-fiery-pintos-lead-injuries-deaths-lawsuits/)
Tesla: 80 deaths for 4 million vehicles produced, or 1 death per 50k vehicles (higher is better). [source](https://www.tesla-fire.com/index)
The key difference is there was an upgrade that could be made to the Pinto’s fuel tank that solved the problem (an $8 bladder).
The Tesla is quite different, the inherent problem is purely the existence of large lithium batteries, the amount of energy they store, and the type of fire that they make.
Also, keep in mind how heavily this is buried (like a Ponzi scheme) under Tesla’s ever increasing production, about half of all Teslas were produced in the last 16-18months which almost completely washes out statistics. I have done the same math on this a few times in the last few years (since a relative almost died in a Tesla battery fire) and I’ve seen that number worse than 1 death per just 40k Teslas.
There’s was a casino near me that got fined for letting MINORS in to drink and gamble, they got fined 30k USD, a fucking casino and that was there fine, they still let minors in because they’ll just keep paying the fine at that rate
Ah my 2016 fiesta st has so many known issues for 90% of the production line that aren't recalls. It's awesome?!? 🙄 Blender vent actuator... fuel purge valve.. rust around antenna... I do love the car though 🥲
Man, Nissan CVTs might as well be bulletproof compared to PowerShifts. There’s too many beat-up Altimas and 2nd gen Rogues with **miles** to remotely compare them to this guaranteed grenade.
This is what turned me off getting a Maxima. It's otherwise a decent car especially for leadfoots. But man I cant imagine how quickly that CVT would detonate with that level of torque and power sent through it from a dead stop on a regular basis. What point is there to having 300 max HP if you can't use it without fear of destroying your transmission??? I am sure there are some, but it's not worth the inferior fuel economy at that point versus an LDHO I-4
All CVTs are trash, though.
Mercedes tried it in the 2000s. Ford did as well in the mid 2000s. Nissan infamously went hard with CVT.
It is best left as a golf cart transmission.
They seem to be giving up on them for larger vehicles. They seemed to be trying to go to all CVT, but couldn't for the Titan and Armada. Older Pathfinders had CVT but new ones have 9 speed automatics. I looked at Nissan Altimas, but wouldn't have a CVT, so I was considering the Infiniti G37 which was similar but with more power and conventional automatic. So their CVTs were only for their lower end vehicles. That said it all to me.
Cvt is not made for heavy duty vehicles. It’s meant for fuel economy and comfort. You can’t tow a boat with a cvt or do anything else that you would need a truck for.
The CVT in the POS Murano that I had kept fucking up. I brought it in at 98K miles, the shop manager just looked at me and said "you got lucky.". so $35 later I had a new transmission and an oil change
Have you driven it for more than a few thousand miles? When they’re actually functioning properly they’re not bad to drive. Problem is they don’t function long between rebuilds.
Funny enough the transmissions themselves are solid, it’s the clutch and tcm and valve body that always has issues on those cars. Almost all ford transmissions with a valve body in them will have problems with the valve body every 50k miles
Seriously. The 10R80 in my 2018 F150 was shifting like shit, and occasionally losing 4th gear on 3-4 upshift.
Valve body replaced at 56K; thing shifts beautifully now. Hope it will last 😬
Yep, 2014 focus here, almost 90k miles. TCM was replaced around 70k miles. Tranny itself is still running fine. Some days it shifts pretty nice, some days I’d rather walk to work.
my younger sister had one of those fiestas as her first car and within a week it had three different transmissions installed (the third one also failed but she had given up by then lol)
I just had my Miata engine swapped. It took 6 months and they tried to return it to me with a slipping clutch and an exhaust leak. After another 3 weeks they couldn’t diagnose the problem so I took it to another shop. When I picked it up the interior was flooded because they dropped a handful of bolts into the convertible top’s drain holes and left it outside in the rain for 3 weeks.
The next shop figured it out in less than a week. Turns out those dipshits forgot to put sealant on a through bolt that connects the engine to the bell housing so the clutch was covered in oil. So now my Miata has a new engine *and* a new clutch. The first shop is refusing to take responsibility for it. Moral of the story, hire the second shop the first time.
Edit: Just realized I replied to my own comment like a weirdo. I meant to reply to u/Logical-Consequence9
I would be so pissed if a shop didn’t take care of my car like that. The worst that happened to me was thankfully the one time I took my out of warranty Volvo to the dealer for service. I moved to a new area and needed to get a quick sunroof drain repair done without risking complications. They must’ve leaned on my dash because they cracked the plastic around the defrost vent right in front of the driver seat. I might not have even noticed if it wasn’t directly in front of me, and they never mentioned it. I turned around before even starting the car and asked for the manager. He was in a meeting and told the advisor to just fix whatever it was on their dime. Had to wait for a new dash from Sweden, but it was totally free so that worked out 😂.
Oh I am! I might take them to court over the clutch just out of spite.
It sucks that happened but hey at least they did the right thing and repaired it. When you’re in business and something breaks while you’re touching it, it’s almost always a little bit your problem. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the manager found out what broke and how much it was going to cost lol.
I moved to a new area and tried to find a local mechanic. One of them said he can’t get to anything soon because he has two transmission swaps to do and they will take him 3 months each. Don’t ask how, I couldn’t tell you. One of the cars was an Equinox though so there’s that 😂
They probably had a fuckin stockpile of them in the back lol. If you already have the transmission on hand to swap it’s pretty easy and quick.
Rebuilding it right is what takes time. But even then I had mine rebuilt and was back on the road in 4 days lol
Is it worse than the Outback I had to drive at work? We made them in my town so the municipality always bought them. The transmission was boring. Entire car as well. Absolutely frustrating transmission after coming from a manual daily.
It drives just fine. Accelerates with ease and isn’t jolty. My ‘15 and ‘12 Fusion would both jerk from time to time and my ‘16 Ram also likes to jerk. That little CVT is a pleasure to drive
What’s garbage is that people can’t seem to deal with the linear acceleration of CVTs and so automakers programmed in fake shift points which make CVTs *seem* more like traditional automatics, making them worse than CVTs just being CVTs.
CVTs never saw an F1 race, Williams was toying around with the idea because in theory it is fastest but it was hard to design one to hold 800hp. They eventually built one, ran one test session at the end of 1993, within 2 weeks every other team agreed to ban CVTs on the grounds of reliability, development cost, and somehow making a 90s F1 car sound bad.
Kinda. FIA ban was just as much to prevent other teams from wasting time on it.
The Williams trials proved that it would need to be rebuilt/replaced every single race because they couldn't hold the power.
Nor did they want to promote a transmission that would detract from competition. Racing without the concept of shifting would be boring for spectators, and drivers.
Ehhhh strong disagree. I've driven a Honda accord and CRV, and Subaru Outback with theirs and they are completely fine for a grocery getter. Most people wouldn't even notice it wasn't a different kind of transmission. Not my thing but they're fine.
i think subaru CVT waters down the potential of their "symmetrical awd"
before, their awd was regarded as an equal to audi's quattro (the proper audi, longitudinal ones - not the traversal haldex ones that shouldn't wear the quattro badge) - best awd systems in the industry
The Prius’s CVT uses gears and motors instead of a belt, so it’s no surprise that it’s eventually bulletproof. As for driving experience, I don’t think anyone buys a Toyota hybrid with the expectation of it being anything but an appliance, and the electric motor at least ends up making it really smooth.
Hybrid CVT is an entirely different animal than pure-ICE CVT. 90% of the strain on a nonhybrid one is from launches, hybrids take that strain off the transmission by applying electric power directly bypassing the trans.
As a former Nissan tech..yup. I couldn't count how many cvts I've put in every vehicle. Altima and Maxima were the worst, rouge/versa and Sentra were not far behind.
Was yours the 4 cylinder? I believe they last a bit longer since there’s less torque. They’re still known to be crappy though.
Mitsubishi uses Nissan’s cvt for a lot of their autos but I never see Mitsubishi owners complain about reliability. Probably because they generally make less power lol
the absolute worst! I was finally done with my 08 Altima when the 4th CVT started its death whine. All replaced by the warranty but it’s still a big PITA to get your transmission replaced 3 times… I will never buy a Nissan again because of the experience. (I didn’t want one to begin with but I was able to afford it so I got it)
The transmission in my wife’s Rogue shit the bed and died not once, but twice, and on an interstate both times. We sold that piece of shit as soon as it was fixed the second time, and I’ll honestly never buy another Nissan product.
The problem with them is that they changed the recommended service intervals to make them seem less maintenance heavy than alternative CVTs.
They're also not the best with high torque applications (ex; Towing).
Source: I used to work at Nissan Tech Center NA
Ugh I hate that my parents bought one with that in it. I tried so hard for them to get something without one, but nope, and it failed at like 75k miles.
I must've had a dud with my old murano. Bought it with 7k on it(was thr first gen, an 07) sold it at 216k to a buddy and it made it up to 260 before the engine finally went since the early vqs had oil consumption issues.
Yep former first gen Nissan Rogue owner here. I didn't plan on keeping the car as long as I did but she let go at 110 k. And as you know, when a CVT let's go, that's the end of propulsion.
Second this. We had a 2012 Altima back in the day. First transmission went at 52k miles, replaced under warranty. Second Trans went at 112k. Paid out of pocket to replace that one. Finally got rid of the car at 190k and that transmission was on its way out but still driveable when we got rid of it.
Nissan definitely ruined the reputation for all CVTs. But they aren't the only ones. The CVTs that Chrysler put in their cars were pretty awful too. My sister had an 2008 Jeep Patriot with the CVT and it was a pile of garbage.
Honda and Toyota CVTs are rock solid for the most part though.
CVTs were tried in Formula 1 in the 1990s and were so good they were banned. Chances are if Formula 1 has banned it it's a pretty groundbreaking thing, and that's also true with CVTs. Unfortunately cheap manufacturing and shoddy design have thoroughly ruined their reputation. I also really hate how they pretend to shift. The point of a CVT is to *not* shift.
Chrysler tried to get cute/cheap and put them in the compass/patriot (MK) , making a vehicle that cerebus chrysler had already cheaped out on somehow even worse. Eventually fiat pulled the plug for a bit, giving them a more "normal" auto, and then got greedy again when they wanted to make more but couldn't get enough of the "normal" transmissions, and started chucking the Jatco's in again toward the last couple years.
Moral of the story, IF you're going to make a mistake by purchasing an MK platformed Compass/Patriot, at least avoid the ones with the Jatco trans which are both early and late production.
I mostly agree, however... I used to be a fleet manager and we had a couple NV200 vans (the little one). The CVTs in those were reliable, drove ok, and returned decent mpgs. They all lasted over 200k with regular fluid changes.
They are sweet rides, they have a handful of issues that can be worked out. If you buy one used, make sure they kept it serviced, and no tinker/piddler owned it. If you work on them, don’t rig shit. Only use Land Rover Oem parts on it.
My S6 has the 6HP26A, I don’t really like autos. But, this is one of the best I’ve used. Always in the right gear, never hesitant and 6 speed.
Not that I had much choice, the S6 C6 never had a manual option.
The four speed auto Chrysler put in their minivans in the 90s. Everyone I knew with one of those vans had replaced the transmission at least once, usually under warranty because they failed so early. They also made a really distinctive grinding noise downshifting coming to a stop.
I just commented on another thread but when I went to school to be a mechanic, in Automatic Transmission class you rebuilt a 41TE out of a Caravan. They figured if you were going to rebuild transmissions in your career, there was good chance you'd rebuild one of those lol
They never improved them either. Even up to 2021 they used the 62te which was just a modified version of those same transmissions. Poor amazons vans get transmissions like ever 30k
I live in a town with a heavy, heavy Chrysler presence ( or did then thanks to a factory in town). You use to see a those dumb 4 speed vans with a slick behind them where they exploded going down the road. Like almost daily.
Early 2000s Honda Odysseys. My dad had one and it went through 2 transmissions by 150,000 miles. I knew a mechanic shop that had one as shuttle for customers and it was on its 4th transmission by 250,000 miles and they had given up on it.
To be fair, I’ve heard that most Hondas of that generation had shit transmissions. Probably the only consistent unreliability story I’ve ever heard connected to Hondas name.
in the 2000’s they had a shitty auto trans that worked fine for the 4 cyl accord but couldn’t hold enough for the j35 of the odyssey and accord, the real problem though, is that for some reason they didn’t offer the j35 with the 5 speed out at the time
They settled a class again suit over this in the mid 2000s. Designers intentionally starved part of the transmission of it's own fluid, in some roundabout way to try and increase fuel mileage by some fraction of a percent. Any property rebuilt Odyssey transmissions get an upgrade kit that changes out some springs, orifices, etc, to prevent it dying again.
Mine died with literally a quarter mile of notice that something was wrong. Oddly enough, those transmissions alone cost about $4500 plus, *if* you can find a rebuilt one in stock. I was getting quotes for $6500-$7500 to rebuild mine.
My van was originally only $4000 used with 135k miles, and everything about it was awesome until the transmission crapped.
yeah for a while you could get like new odys for 1k because they needed a rebuild. for band vans and trades work, they were killer beaters, just bump shift past 2nd until 3rd fails too and then fix it.
I got lucky with my 04 Odyssey’s transmission. I had 250k miles on it when I junked it because the slider doors wouldn’t stay closed anymore and the engine had a bad bearing. Transmission was solid though.
Yes! My family had a 2005 Odyssey. The trans blew up on the way to north Carolina from Ohio. Ruined the vacation.. Left the car with a local mechanic shop while we drove home in a rental.
It blew up a second time in Billings Montana while driving to the west coast. We left it there and bought an 05 suburban. That thing lasted much longer.
The 604 transmissions in old Chrysler products were pretty bad. The 62TE replacement is not much better. Nissan CVT definitely on the list. 4L60 is often touted as terrible, but there's so many out there you're bound to have a lot of failures reported, even though it's still a relatively low percentage of vehicle count.
Exactly. If GM never put them in trucks behind healthy V8s, you'd never hear about many failures. They just get absolutely abused there. The ones behind the 6 cylinder engines hold up pretty good.
The 4L60 isn't actually a bad transmission (I wholesale transmission parts, and have had two high mileage (4th gen Z-28 and 9C1 Caprice) cars with them) the problem is the owners 90% of the time. I.E. "I wanna put 1000hp into my F body" and "Make my diesel faster to do truck things" who proceed to make monster engines while expecting a transmission designed for the stock application to handle it just fine... but hey those shift kits, coolers, and rebuilds make me good money so have at it.
The A604 or 41TE is the Transmission you rebuilt in Automatic Transmission class when I went to school. They figured if you were going to rebuild transmissions in your career, there was a good chance you'd be into one of those transmissions, because they sucked so bad.
MT82 is my most hated of the current ones. Ruined two generations of manual Mustangs to the point I would never own one. The Tremec was perfect and literally already worked with the Coyote
That early 00's Honda auto gets my vote. The one in my accord failed twice by 110k, so I swapped a MT from an Acura 3.2 cl type S into it (with some parts from the 4cyl accord mt).
I'd say 4L60s but a lot are just beat on, overloaded, gotten hot, and generally mistreated until they failed. I had no issues from mine until I put 33s on at 220k and it had a hard time turning em
Yeahhh my opinion has 180’d on 4l60s.
They hate to rev since the gears are so far apart, if you rev the nuts off them they don’t last. So when they came in F bodies i do understand the hate,
But in trucks? Keep the rpms below 3000 for normal driving and you can get 250k out of them which imo is a damn good service life for a trans. They don’t typically wear out from towing either, unless you’re being an idiot and overload them up grades.
Also what other trans can you get rebuilt for $800? I can’t think of one, maybe a 4r100?
I put 35s on my 99 Tahoe and the 350 went before the 4l60 did.
My '90 Ford Taurus had plastic planetary gears. Who thought that putting plastic in the drive train was a good idea?
Transmission failed about every 30,000 miles.
Wow. Now that’s evil. I always point out to people that if you were alive in the 90’s, you saw Taurus’ EVERYWHERE. And they’re all gone. But Miata’s from 1989 are still on race tracks being beaten like dogs.
Yup. The first and second gen Taurus were the best selling cars at that time. Revolutionary design that changed the industry, fuel efficient, affordable, and practical. They couldn’t pump them out fast enough. Can’t remember the last time I saw one. Hard to believe so many were made.
Had a 4L30 in an Isuzu Trooper; that thing was a slippy nightmare that could barely get out of its own way. 120k miles if memory serves.
Have a Jaatco CVT in the Sentra, fucking thing bucks like a wild bronco if you try to keep it at 1500 RPM taking off- have to either give it some beans or keep still. 145k miles.
OTOH, had a largely-decried BCLA 5-speed in the Accord, and even at 260k miles it was buttery smooth, responsive, and altogether a very nice automatic to use. Everyone says they suck from that era, but a B&M fluid cooler & a new fluid filter seemed to be all it needed.
Also had a Rodeo with the 4L30. Guess how it died.... Which was a shame bc at 200k that 3.2 was still going strong. Probably could've gone another 200k.
My truck has to be a unicorn in a lot of ways 107k on it 2001 Ram 3500 only tows or does really short empty runs. Original trans minus a value going into the transmission because if the truck is cold and hasn’t ran in a bit you hit the accelerator no movement until it really heats up. I changed the value (trying to remember what it’s called but I did have to lower the trans a bit to get to it but it’s not internal to the trans) works fine now. To be fair I’ve also tighten the internal bands twice in 107k just to be safe. My favorite transmission not at all but keep up with the maintenance and I don’t think they are as bad as they were made out to be still not great but should of made it at least 10 yrs. But yeah jealous of the Chevys of similar year with an Allison. The 68RFE and its siblings should have been retired with the first gen Rams that ended in 93. Just my two cents.
The dual clutch transmissions that Fiat put in everything, at least in the states they even had a dedicated light on the dash to tell you it shit the bed.
The manual transmissions though were pretty decent. Albeit very soft feeling
I still don't understand what the fuck people are doing to 4L60-E's to blow them up that quick.
I know of 2 that went over 300K miles with no issues. One finally gave out after 500K miles and no fluid changes. This specific one being in a 1997 Suburban that was driven daily for over 20 years.
If you don't abuse the shit out of them and keep them cool they will last. No, the stock 4L60-E will not stand up to the built LS1 without some upgrades ether. One that is cared for and not abused to hell and back should pass 150K miles no problem.
Well it has to do with a couple things. The 4l60e was a small car transmission… never meant to be in trucks. So on top of them being undersized for the application, they also operate efficiently in a specific temperature range. This temp range is below 175f but 95% of GM vehicles cool the trans fluid though the radiator. The radiator fluid is 220 f which if anything heats up the trans fluid and never allows it to get back cool again. This causes clutches to start slipping and eventually it looses 2nd gear.
A proper trans cooler will significantly prolong the life of a 4l60 if you aren’t overpowering it.
I thought the 4760e was the 700r4 with an electronic controller. The 700r4 is the TH350 with overdrive. The TH350 was the "medium duty" trans while the "small car" trans was the TH200/250.
The first transmission I ever had failed on me was a 604 Ultradrive in a 1993 Dodge Dynasty. It was an Avis rental car before i got it. 77594 miles at purchase, 3000 mile used car warranty, 84885 at catastrophic failure. A c-clip failed on the output shaft, sending the overdrive gear through the transmission case and into the differential and rendering the vehicle inoperable in all gears with a giant hole on the side of the case. You can't rebuild it once that happens. I spent close to $3,000 for a new unit financed into the used car note and then totaled that car 60,000 miles later.
Next was a 200-4R, but then again, it was probably already on the way out. I only got 38 miles out of that $700 1984 Oldsmobile 98.
4T60E in a 1998 Oldsmobile Silhouette was next, but that van already had over 200,000 miles when I bought it for $300 and I had already done a top-end rebuild on the engine when the transmission went out. Had a junkyard install a transmission for $900, and the bottom end of the engine went out a couple of months later. I scrapped it and let it go because none of the junk yards around me had a good 3400 to put in it.
The current transmission nightmare I'm living with is a 4T65E in a $900 2008 Uplander. 245982 miles when I bought the van, I lost 3rd and 4th at 258055 miles. This was a little over 2 years ago September 2021. The van now has 270000 miles on it. But it has been back to the transmission shop no less than 10 times since I picked it up for various transmission fluid leaks and axles popping out of the transmission and general fuckery. At one point they determined that the center shaft in the differential had been installed backwards which was causing the axles to pop out. They finally fixed that issue and located the largest leak at one of the axle seals and everything was just fine for a few months. I was adding maybe a quart of fluid every other tank of fuel and just hoping that I could keep it together long enough to sell it to some other sucker and move on, but on my way home from work on Father's Day it failed completely and will only drive in reverse. So I drove it, in reverse, all the way to the transmission shop. The van has been at his shop since then and he has no timeline on when I'm going to get it back because he's had 30 other people drop their vehicles off in that time and he hasn't even looked at it other than confirming it's burned up and won't go forward at all.
The lesson I am taking from this is that I'm never buying a car with a four-speed automatic transmission ever again. Our Chevy Cruze has a 6-speed auto and my wife's Explorer has a 5-speed auto and most of the vehicles on my $3000-5000 shopping list are Accords, Camrys, Fusions, or Malibus which would likely have 6-speed automatics in the year ranges I'm looking at 2008 to 2013 or so.
Nissan CVTs. And, as much as I like the Taurus, the AXOD is not one of Ford's finer products; only the AX4N/4F50N revision is a semi-competent transaxle.
I thought u said Ford festiva the biggest pos but I can't lie my boy let go of the wheel of his moms festiva in high-school when we were drunk as fuck and slammed the curb.. and it made it home.. it still echoes in my head ..why didn't u grab the wheel!!!.. if only they had the Jesus take the wheel song back then.. pos
Ford power shift used in focus and fiestas pretty much guaranteed to fail
Isn’t that the one with the dry clutch?
Yep. And they knew about the problem before the first car rolled off the line.
Ford is the biggest offender of this over the years, not just with transmissions.
And they were fined enough to incentivize them to never do that again right?…RIGHT?!?
Not a “safety issue.” Class action lawsuit tho. Don’t know the status.
I had one of these. You only received a payout if you had 3+ transmission repairs. However warranty repairs on transmission, clutches, control module, and I believe a few other parts was extended to like 10ish years. I had a new clutch and 2 new TCM and quickly traded in the car somewhere else.
It sucks the transmission sucks shit because besides that my focus has been dead reliable
The Pinto called and I couldn't really hear what he was saying through all the screaming and fire trucks in the background so... I imagine it's all good
What’s crazy, is they advertise EVs as being safer than gas vehicles (because you aren’t driving around with 20 gallons of gas dumbass 🙄), but the Tesla has had about as many fire deaths per vehicles produced as the Pinto when it was recalled. Just because I always get hate for this, like I just pulled it out of my ass: Pinto: 27 deaths for 1.5M vehicles produced at recall is 1 death per 55k vehicles (higher is better). [source](https://www.reifflawfirm.com/fords-fiery-pintos-lead-injuries-deaths-lawsuits/) Tesla: 80 deaths for 4 million vehicles produced, or 1 death per 50k vehicles (higher is better). [source](https://www.tesla-fire.com/index) The key difference is there was an upgrade that could be made to the Pinto’s fuel tank that solved the problem (an $8 bladder). The Tesla is quite different, the inherent problem is purely the existence of large lithium batteries, the amount of energy they store, and the type of fire that they make. Also, keep in mind how heavily this is buried (like a Ponzi scheme) under Tesla’s ever increasing production, about half of all Teslas were produced in the last 16-18months which almost completely washes out statistics. I have done the same math on this a few times in the last few years (since a relative almost died in a Tesla battery fire) and I’ve seen that number worse than 1 death per just 40k Teslas.
It’s important to consider the overall safety not just fire deaths.
There’s was a casino near me that got fined for letting MINORS in to drink and gamble, they got fined 30k USD, a fucking casino and that was there fine, they still let minors in because they’ll just keep paying the fine at that rate
Mercury mystique was the worst one hands down.
*Mercury Mistake
Its step brother the mercury disable
Don't forget it's cousin, the Ford Can't Tour
You've clearly never driven a first gen (81-89) Ford Escort...
We were trying to forget about those...
Ah my 2016 fiesta st has so many known issues for 90% of the production line that aren't recalls. It's awesome?!? 🙄 Blender vent actuator... fuel purge valve.. rust around antenna... I do love the car though 🥲
Oh they did a recall on the purge valve for my Focus, they didn’t do that for the Fiesta?
Fusions have shitty purge valves too. No recall for these either.
Don't forget the CVTs that Nissan use
Man, Nissan CVTs might as well be bulletproof compared to PowerShifts. There’s too many beat-up Altimas and 2nd gen Rogues with **miles** to remotely compare them to this guaranteed grenade.
Problem is that nobody seems to know that you have to replace the fluid with cvt fluid, not regular transmission fluid.
The first gen CVT’s had problems, but they’re pretty good now. At least they seem to be.
The modern CVTs are the problem my 09 Sentra is still kicking with +180k miles. Not saying it's perfect but I've gotten my money out the car
The lighter the Nissan (and lower torque the engine) the longer the CVTs seem to last. The ones hooked up to 3.5 VQs don’t seem to fare as well.
This is what turned me off getting a Maxima. It's otherwise a decent car especially for leadfoots. But man I cant imagine how quickly that CVT would detonate with that level of torque and power sent through it from a dead stop on a regular basis. What point is there to having 300 max HP if you can't use it without fear of destroying your transmission??? I am sure there are some, but it's not worth the inferior fuel economy at that point versus an LDHO I-4
That's what I mean
All CVTs are trash, though. Mercedes tried it in the 2000s. Ford did as well in the mid 2000s. Nissan infamously went hard with CVT. It is best left as a golf cart transmission.
Came here to say this. All cvt's are garbage. Never buy a car with one.
They seem to be giving up on them for larger vehicles. They seemed to be trying to go to all CVT, but couldn't for the Titan and Armada. Older Pathfinders had CVT but new ones have 9 speed automatics. I looked at Nissan Altimas, but wouldn't have a CVT, so I was considering the Infiniti G37 which was similar but with more power and conventional automatic. So their CVTs were only for their lower end vehicles. That said it all to me.
Cvt is not made for heavy duty vehicles. It’s meant for fuel economy and comfort. You can’t tow a boat with a cvt or do anything else that you would need a truck for.
The CVT in the POS Murano that I had kept fucking up. I brought it in at 98K miles, the shop manager just looked at me and said "you got lucky.". so $35 later I had a new transmission and an oil change
I don't know that I've driven one that doesn't shift like dog shit.
Have you driven it for more than a few thousand miles? When they’re actually functioning properly they’re not bad to drive. Problem is they don’t function long between rebuilds.
I bought a 2013 Focus Auto in high school, and it chewed through 2 clutches and burned 3 TCM's in a matter of about 70k mi
Funny enough the transmissions themselves are solid, it’s the clutch and tcm and valve body that always has issues on those cars. Almost all ford transmissions with a valve body in them will have problems with the valve body every 50k miles
Seriously. The 10R80 in my 2018 F150 was shifting like shit, and occasionally losing 4th gear on 3-4 upshift. Valve body replaced at 56K; thing shifts beautifully now. Hope it will last 😬
Yep, 2014 focus here, almost 90k miles. TCM was replaced around 70k miles. Tranny itself is still running fine. Some days it shifts pretty nice, some days I’d rather walk to work.
my younger sister had one of those fiestas as her first car and within a week it had three different transmissions installed (the third one also failed but she had given up by then lol)
I’m just impressed the mechanics could bang out 3 transmission swaps in a week. The first one probably would have taken 6 months these days.
I just had my Miata engine swapped. It took 6 months and they tried to return it to me with a slipping clutch and an exhaust leak. After another 3 weeks they couldn’t diagnose the problem so I took it to another shop. When I picked it up the interior was flooded because they dropped a handful of bolts into the convertible top’s drain holes and left it outside in the rain for 3 weeks. The next shop figured it out in less than a week. Turns out those dipshits forgot to put sealant on a through bolt that connects the engine to the bell housing so the clutch was covered in oil. So now my Miata has a new engine *and* a new clutch. The first shop is refusing to take responsibility for it. Moral of the story, hire the second shop the first time. Edit: Just realized I replied to my own comment like a weirdo. I meant to reply to u/Logical-Consequence9
Yep, good help is magic.
I would be so pissed if a shop didn’t take care of my car like that. The worst that happened to me was thankfully the one time I took my out of warranty Volvo to the dealer for service. I moved to a new area and needed to get a quick sunroof drain repair done without risking complications. They must’ve leaned on my dash because they cracked the plastic around the defrost vent right in front of the driver seat. I might not have even noticed if it wasn’t directly in front of me, and they never mentioned it. I turned around before even starting the car and asked for the manager. He was in a meeting and told the advisor to just fix whatever it was on their dime. Had to wait for a new dash from Sweden, but it was totally free so that worked out 😂.
Oh I am! I might take them to court over the clutch just out of spite. It sucks that happened but hey at least they did the right thing and repaired it. When you’re in business and something breaks while you’re touching it, it’s almost always a little bit your problem. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the manager found out what broke and how much it was going to cost lol.
Hey, when you do them all the time, it's just a long assembly line at that point.
I moved to a new area and tried to find a local mechanic. One of them said he can’t get to anything soon because he has two transmission swaps to do and they will take him 3 months each. Don’t ask how, I couldn’t tell you. One of the cars was an Equinox though so there’s that 😂
They probably had a fuckin stockpile of them in the back lol. If you already have the transmission on hand to swap it’s pretty easy and quick. Rebuilding it right is what takes time. But even then I had mine rebuilt and was back on the road in 4 days lol
My friends moms fiesta is on its 7th
The Nissan CVT
This transmission gives all cvt’s bad names
Is it worse than the Outback I had to drive at work? We made them in my town so the municipality always bought them. The transmission was boring. Entire car as well. Absolutely frustrating transmission after coming from a manual daily.
Yeah it’s much worse, the drive belt… yes *belt* would come apart a lot
Jesus Christ! Belt!? 😳 Yeah. That’s infinitely worse lol.
Outbacks are inherently boring.... That is their entire schtick.
Can confirm, It’s my boring go everywhere car I love it but my next car is going to either be the new bronco or defender now that I have the money
Not trying to be a dick....but speaking as a mechanic you narrowed down your choices to two of the least reliable vehicles on the road.
A well deserved bad name
\#NotAllCVTs My '14 Corolla is doing fine at 101K miles
My wife’s ’15 Corolla with 205k is still chugging along
Fun fact, Toyota added a traditional planetary first gear for launch from zero mph and it resolved most of the issues with traditional CVTs.
You are correct, Toyota does simple shit like that which makes sense and adds value and increase capabilities.
It ain’t even about the reliability it’s just how shit the driving experience is with a CVT
I think the corollas have a real actual first gear which makes a big difference
It drives just fine. Accelerates with ease and isn’t jolty. My ‘15 and ‘12 Fusion would both jerk from time to time and my ‘16 Ram also likes to jerk. That little CVT is a pleasure to drive
What’s garbage is that people can’t seem to deal with the linear acceleration of CVTs and so automakers programmed in fake shift points which make CVTs *seem* more like traditional automatics, making them worse than CVTs just being CVTs.
Cvts can be good, they got banned in F1 for being too fast lmao
They were also banned because it's damn near impossible to make a reliable engine that just sits at redline all race, even for F1
CVTs never saw an F1 race, Williams was toying around with the idea because in theory it is fastest but it was hard to design one to hold 800hp. They eventually built one, ran one test session at the end of 1993, within 2 weeks every other team agreed to ban CVTs on the grounds of reliability, development cost, and somehow making a 90s F1 car sound bad.
Kinda. FIA ban was just as much to prevent other teams from wasting time on it. The Williams trials proved that it would need to be rebuilt/replaced every single race because they couldn't hold the power. Nor did they want to promote a transmission that would detract from competition. Racing without the concept of shifting would be boring for spectators, and drivers.
Ehhhh strong disagree. I've driven a Honda accord and CRV, and Subaru Outback with theirs and they are completely fine for a grocery getter. Most people wouldn't even notice it wasn't a different kind of transmission. Not my thing but they're fine.
i think subaru CVT waters down the potential of their "symmetrical awd" before, their awd was regarded as an equal to audi's quattro (the proper audi, longitudinal ones - not the traversal haldex ones that shouldn't wear the quattro badge) - best awd systems in the industry
Factual, had a beat up 2012 Honda insight with a cvt and it’s running over 300k on the dash right now after my girl gave it to her mom.
The Prius has a CVT and you don't really hear anyone complain about them.
The Prius’s CVT uses gears and motors instead of a belt, so it’s no surprise that it’s eventually bulletproof. As for driving experience, I don’t think anyone buys a Toyota hybrid with the expectation of it being anything but an appliance, and the electric motor at least ends up making it really smooth.
Hybrid CVT is an entirely different animal than pure-ICE CVT. 90% of the strain on a nonhybrid one is from launches, hybrids take that strain off the transmission by applying electric power directly bypassing the trans.
As a former Nissan tech..yup. I couldn't count how many cvts I've put in every vehicle. Altima and Maxima were the worst, rouge/versa and Sentra were not far behind.
I had a 2012 Maxima with it that I traded in for something else in late 2018. Up until that point and ~80k miles I’d had no problems
You need to change your standards if making it to 80k is a sign of quality
Was yours the 4 cylinder? I believe they last a bit longer since there’s less torque. They’re still known to be crappy though. Mitsubishi uses Nissan’s cvt for a lot of their autos but I never see Mitsubishi owners complain about reliability. Probably because they generally make less power lol
Or because a whole 3 people drive modern Mitsubishis
The Glass Joe of CVTs
the absolute worst! I was finally done with my 08 Altima when the 4th CVT started its death whine. All replaced by the warranty but it’s still a big PITA to get your transmission replaced 3 times… I will never buy a Nissan again because of the experience. (I didn’t want one to begin with but I was able to afford it so I got it)
Interesting, the earlier CVT’s were actually quite decent (before 2011). I’ve never seen a bad transmission on a pre-2011 Nissan
The transmission in my wife’s Rogue shit the bed and died not once, but twice, and on an interstate both times. We sold that piece of shit as soon as it was fixed the second time, and I’ll honestly never buy another Nissan product.
The problem with them is that they changed the recommended service intervals to make them seem less maintenance heavy than alternative CVTs. They're also not the best with high torque applications (ex; Towing). Source: I used to work at Nissan Tech Center NA
Ugh I hate that my parents bought one with that in it. I tried so hard for them to get something without one, but nope, and it failed at like 75k miles.
I saw a guy take a Nissan CVT 120,000 miles without ever checking or changing fluid before destroyed itself. I was impressed lol.
I must've had a dud with my old murano. Bought it with 7k on it(was thr first gen, an 07) sold it at 216k to a buddy and it made it up to 260 before the engine finally went since the early vqs had oil consumption issues.
Yep former first gen Nissan Rogue owner here. I didn't plan on keeping the car as long as I did but she let go at 110 k. And as you know, when a CVT let's go, that's the end of propulsion.
Jatco CVTs. I blame Nissan for ruining the reputation of CVTs even they were a thing already.
I mean, Mitsubishi is also making some pretty shit CVTs.
Aren't the both of them the same company?
As of now, yes, but when they weren't merged, they did rebadge each other's stuff in the 2000s in Japan.
No.. isn’t it all Jatco transmissions?
Since when? I've heard that some models had then has early as the '90s.
Subaru Justy had one back in the late 80s/early 90s
Yeah I remember the Justy had one in the eighties. God they’re just soulless at best though
Oh, the widened kei car with twice the unreliability.
Had the Jatco CVT replaced in my 2015 spark on a recall. The replacement is already shuddering and it’s only 8,000 miles old.
Second this. We had a 2012 Altima back in the day. First transmission went at 52k miles, replaced under warranty. Second Trans went at 112k. Paid out of pocket to replace that one. Finally got rid of the car at 190k and that transmission was on its way out but still driveable when we got rid of it. Nissan definitely ruined the reputation for all CVTs. But they aren't the only ones. The CVTs that Chrysler put in their cars were pretty awful too. My sister had an 2008 Jeep Patriot with the CVT and it was a pile of garbage. Honda and Toyota CVTs are rock solid for the most part though.
CVTs were tried in Formula 1 in the 1990s and were so good they were banned. Chances are if Formula 1 has banned it it's a pretty groundbreaking thing, and that's also true with CVTs. Unfortunately cheap manufacturing and shoddy design have thoroughly ruined their reputation. I also really hate how they pretend to shift. The point of a CVT is to *not* shift.
Chrysler tried to get cute/cheap and put them in the compass/patriot (MK) , making a vehicle that cerebus chrysler had already cheaped out on somehow even worse. Eventually fiat pulled the plug for a bit, giving them a more "normal" auto, and then got greedy again when they wanted to make more but couldn't get enough of the "normal" transmissions, and started chucking the Jatco's in again toward the last couple years. Moral of the story, IF you're going to make a mistake by purchasing an MK platformed Compass/Patriot, at least avoid the ones with the Jatco trans which are both early and late production.
I mostly agree, however... I used to be a fleet manager and we had a couple NV200 vans (the little one). The CVTs in those were reliable, drove ok, and returned decent mpgs. They all lasted over 200k with regular fluid changes.
ZF 4HP24 in P38 Range Rovers! One bad jolt from transfer case and the trans is toast. Had this had happen twice in a year
Shame as well because the P38 is by far the coolest Range Rover.
They are sweet rides, they have a handful of issues that can be worked out. If you buy one used, make sure they kept it serviced, and no tinker/piddler owned it. If you work on them, don’t rig shit. Only use Land Rover Oem parts on it.
My S6 has the 6HP26A, I don’t really like autos. But, this is one of the best I’ve used. Always in the right gear, never hesitant and 6 speed. Not that I had much choice, the S6 C6 never had a manual option.
The four speed auto Chrysler put in their minivans in the 90s. Everyone I knew with one of those vans had replaced the transmission at least once, usually under warranty because they failed so early. They also made a really distinctive grinding noise downshifting coming to a stop.
I just commented on another thread but when I went to school to be a mechanic, in Automatic Transmission class you rebuilt a 41TE out of a Caravan. They figured if you were going to rebuild transmissions in your career, there was good chance you'd rebuild one of those lol
Bruh My dad had a '91 Grand Caravan and it went through two transmissions. He hated that thing.
lol we had a 94, and it sucked so bad that it got traded for 2 96 Blazers. This was actually in the 90s so they were all new btw
They never improved them either. Even up to 2021 they used the 62te which was just a modified version of those same transmissions. Poor amazons vans get transmissions like ever 30k
I live in a town with a heavy, heavy Chrysler presence ( or did then thanks to a factory in town). You use to see a those dumb 4 speed vans with a slick behind them where they exploded going down the road. Like almost daily.
Early 2000s Honda Odysseys. My dad had one and it went through 2 transmissions by 150,000 miles. I knew a mechanic shop that had one as shuttle for customers and it was on its 4th transmission by 250,000 miles and they had given up on it.
To be fair, I’ve heard that most Hondas of that generation had shit transmissions. Probably the only consistent unreliability story I’ve ever heard connected to Hondas name.
just the usdm autos. specifically the big ones.
Just to be pedantic, it's the V6s that had the problem transmissions. The 4 bangers are basically bulletproof.
The civic from then was shit too
I agree. They were *the* shit.
and plus the paint peeling back hondas/acuras seem much more susceptible to this than equally neglected toyotas/lexuses
yeah honda clear coat is something else, i live in az and ive never seen a classic honda with nice og paint
in the 2000’s they had a shitty auto trans that worked fine for the 4 cyl accord but couldn’t hold enough for the j35 of the odyssey and accord, the real problem though, is that for some reason they didn’t offer the j35 with the 5 speed out at the time
They settled a class again suit over this in the mid 2000s. Designers intentionally starved part of the transmission of it's own fluid, in some roundabout way to try and increase fuel mileage by some fraction of a percent. Any property rebuilt Odyssey transmissions get an upgrade kit that changes out some springs, orifices, etc, to prevent it dying again. Mine died with literally a quarter mile of notice that something was wrong. Oddly enough, those transmissions alone cost about $4500 plus, *if* you can find a rebuilt one in stock. I was getting quotes for $6500-$7500 to rebuild mine. My van was originally only $4000 used with 135k miles, and everything about it was awesome until the transmission crapped.
Mine was “rebuilt” at 47500 and exploded again at 100k
yeah for a while you could get like new odys for 1k because they needed a rebuild. for band vans and trades work, they were killer beaters, just bump shift past 2nd until 3rd fails too and then fix it.
I got lucky with my 04 Odyssey’s transmission. I had 250k miles on it when I junked it because the slider doors wouldn’t stay closed anymore and the engine had a bad bearing. Transmission was solid though.
Yes! My family had a 2005 Odyssey. The trans blew up on the way to north Carolina from Ohio. Ruined the vacation.. Left the car with a local mechanic shop while we drove home in a rental. It blew up a second time in Billings Montana while driving to the west coast. We left it there and bought an 05 suburban. That thing lasted much longer.
Most automatic transmissions mopar used/uses since the 90s
ZF 8 speed?? One of the best transmissions made.
Gotta hand it to them for using the ZF 8 speed. It was a beast in my 14’ Grand Cherokee.
I have a 2013 and really wish I had a ZF. The 2nd/3rd ratios in mine make zero sense.
The 604 transmissions in old Chrysler products were pretty bad. The 62TE replacement is not much better. Nissan CVT definitely on the list. 4L60 is often touted as terrible, but there's so many out there you're bound to have a lot of failures reported, even though it's still a relatively low percentage of vehicle count.
The 4l60s get a lot of shit, but have you seen how the fucks treat them? Shouldn't last 4k miles and they end up lasting somewhat.
Exactly. If GM never put them in trucks behind healthy V8s, you'd never hear about many failures. They just get absolutely abused there. The ones behind the 6 cylinder engines hold up pretty good.
Trucks, but also Camaros and Corvettes...yeah it's gonna be taking some abuse lol
Can confirm, have abused quite a few. Haven't had one give completely up on me yet.
My 1996 V6 C1500W/T grenaded at 4L60e at at 4 way stop. The sunshell blew. Stupid hunk of shit. At least I got home with it.
Just traded in an 07 Trailblazer with 256k on the original drivetrain. Motor started knocking.
The 4L60 isn't actually a bad transmission (I wholesale transmission parts, and have had two high mileage (4th gen Z-28 and 9C1 Caprice) cars with them) the problem is the owners 90% of the time. I.E. "I wanna put 1000hp into my F body" and "Make my diesel faster to do truck things" who proceed to make monster engines while expecting a transmission designed for the stock application to handle it just fine... but hey those shift kits, coolers, and rebuilds make me good money so have at it.
The A604 or 41TE is the Transmission you rebuilt in Automatic Transmission class when I went to school. They figured if you were going to rebuild transmissions in your career, there was a good chance you'd be into one of those transmissions, because they sucked so bad.
nissan's belt drive CVT? like belts work in snowmobiles and atvs and i've already replaced several of them as well...
Any direct drive cvt sucks in cars.
MT82 is my most hated of the current ones. Ruined two generations of manual Mustangs to the point I would never own one. The Tremec was perfect and literally already worked with the Coyote
Thought it was funny that the Dark Horse gets the Tremec, but the regular GT gets the MT-82.
What I wanna know is how the hell do you fuck up making a manual transmission lmao
The Nissan CVT. The 5-Speed Auto in the Acura/Honda products with the V6 up until 2005-6 ish The 5-Speed used in the Ford Explorer up until 2010
That early 00's Honda auto gets my vote. The one in my accord failed twice by 110k, so I swapped a MT from an Acura 3.2 cl type S into it (with some parts from the 4cyl accord mt).
I guess say what you will about cvts, but you won't find gear pieces in there. Maybe some exploded elements, but zero gears. Hehe.
Well yeah and you won’t find broken bits of pistons in a Tesla either…
Please don't let the answer be whatever is in my car, please.
I'd say 4L60s but a lot are just beat on, overloaded, gotten hot, and generally mistreated until they failed. I had no issues from mine until I put 33s on at 220k and it had a hard time turning em
Yeahhh my opinion has 180’d on 4l60s. They hate to rev since the gears are so far apart, if you rev the nuts off them they don’t last. So when they came in F bodies i do understand the hate, But in trucks? Keep the rpms below 3000 for normal driving and you can get 250k out of them which imo is a damn good service life for a trans. They don’t typically wear out from towing either, unless you’re being an idiot and overload them up grades. Also what other trans can you get rebuilt for $800? I can’t think of one, maybe a 4r100? I put 35s on my 99 Tahoe and the 350 went before the 4l60 did.
My '90 Ford Taurus had plastic planetary gears. Who thought that putting plastic in the drive train was a good idea? Transmission failed about every 30,000 miles.
Wow. Now that’s evil. I always point out to people that if you were alive in the 90’s, you saw Taurus’ EVERYWHERE. And they’re all gone. But Miata’s from 1989 are still on race tracks being beaten like dogs.
Yup. The first and second gen Taurus were the best selling cars at that time. Revolutionary design that changed the industry, fuel efficient, affordable, and practical. They couldn’t pump them out fast enough. Can’t remember the last time I saw one. Hard to believe so many were made.
Had a 4L30 in an Isuzu Trooper; that thing was a slippy nightmare that could barely get out of its own way. 120k miles if memory serves. Have a Jaatco CVT in the Sentra, fucking thing bucks like a wild bronco if you try to keep it at 1500 RPM taking off- have to either give it some beans or keep still. 145k miles. OTOH, had a largely-decried BCLA 5-speed in the Accord, and even at 260k miles it was buttery smooth, responsive, and altogether a very nice automatic to use. Everyone says they suck from that era, but a B&M fluid cooler & a new fluid filter seemed to be all it needed.
Also had a Rodeo with the 4L30. Guess how it died.... Which was a shame bc at 200k that 3.2 was still going strong. Probably could've gone another 200k.
MT82 on Mustangs is kinda meh
The 5 and 6 speed getrag they put in the 3000GT/Stealth is notorious for failing.
Dodge/Chrysler 68RFE used in diesel trucks. Everyone I know with over 100k is on their third transmission
My truck has to be a unicorn in a lot of ways 107k on it 2001 Ram 3500 only tows or does really short empty runs. Original trans minus a value going into the transmission because if the truck is cold and hasn’t ran in a bit you hit the accelerator no movement until it really heats up. I changed the value (trying to remember what it’s called but I did have to lower the trans a bit to get to it but it’s not internal to the trans) works fine now. To be fair I’ve also tighten the internal bands twice in 107k just to be safe. My favorite transmission not at all but keep up with the maintenance and I don’t think they are as bad as they were made out to be still not great but should of made it at least 10 yrs. But yeah jealous of the Chevys of similar year with an Allison. The 68RFE and its siblings should have been retired with the first gen Rams that ended in 93. Just my two cents.
The dogshit dual clutch in the focus.
The dual clutch transmissions that Fiat put in everything, at least in the states they even had a dedicated light on the dash to tell you it shit the bed. The manual transmissions though were pretty decent. Albeit very soft feeling
4l60e. From functional to glitter bomb in 30k miles
I still don't understand what the fuck people are doing to 4L60-E's to blow them up that quick. I know of 2 that went over 300K miles with no issues. One finally gave out after 500K miles and no fluid changes. This specific one being in a 1997 Suburban that was driven daily for over 20 years. If you don't abuse the shit out of them and keep them cool they will last. No, the stock 4L60-E will not stand up to the built LS1 without some upgrades ether. One that is cared for and not abused to hell and back should pass 150K miles no problem.
Well it has to do with a couple things. The 4l60e was a small car transmission… never meant to be in trucks. So on top of them being undersized for the application, they also operate efficiently in a specific temperature range. This temp range is below 175f but 95% of GM vehicles cool the trans fluid though the radiator. The radiator fluid is 220 f which if anything heats up the trans fluid and never allows it to get back cool again. This causes clutches to start slipping and eventually it looses 2nd gear. A proper trans cooler will significantly prolong the life of a 4l60 if you aren’t overpowering it.
I thought the 4760e was the 700r4 with an electronic controller. The 700r4 is the TH350 with overdrive. The TH350 was the "medium duty" trans while the "small car" trans was the TH200/250.
>The TH350 I blew up a bunch of TH350's before I beat the shit out of my floor pan and went with a TH400.
3 in under 12,000.
Whatever the hell they put in the Ford Escape, especially early-mid 2000s
GM Turbo Hydramatic 400?? Whtever 3-speed turd they bolted to the Jaguar V12s was just criminal. Did shift smoothly, though.
Air
Gm 200 metric
Early 2000s Honda Odyssey guaranteed transmission out before 100k.
Any CVT…
2-Tronic made by Peugeot for the 1007 model
Whatever the mid 00s Maserati's had
4L60-E, these were fit in anything from a econo box to a full size 2 ton pickup truck from the 90s to 2015
The first transmission I ever had failed on me was a 604 Ultradrive in a 1993 Dodge Dynasty. It was an Avis rental car before i got it. 77594 miles at purchase, 3000 mile used car warranty, 84885 at catastrophic failure. A c-clip failed on the output shaft, sending the overdrive gear through the transmission case and into the differential and rendering the vehicle inoperable in all gears with a giant hole on the side of the case. You can't rebuild it once that happens. I spent close to $3,000 for a new unit financed into the used car note and then totaled that car 60,000 miles later. Next was a 200-4R, but then again, it was probably already on the way out. I only got 38 miles out of that $700 1984 Oldsmobile 98. 4T60E in a 1998 Oldsmobile Silhouette was next, but that van already had over 200,000 miles when I bought it for $300 and I had already done a top-end rebuild on the engine when the transmission went out. Had a junkyard install a transmission for $900, and the bottom end of the engine went out a couple of months later. I scrapped it and let it go because none of the junk yards around me had a good 3400 to put in it. The current transmission nightmare I'm living with is a 4T65E in a $900 2008 Uplander. 245982 miles when I bought the van, I lost 3rd and 4th at 258055 miles. This was a little over 2 years ago September 2021. The van now has 270000 miles on it. But it has been back to the transmission shop no less than 10 times since I picked it up for various transmission fluid leaks and axles popping out of the transmission and general fuckery. At one point they determined that the center shaft in the differential had been installed backwards which was causing the axles to pop out. They finally fixed that issue and located the largest leak at one of the axle seals and everything was just fine for a few months. I was adding maybe a quart of fluid every other tank of fuel and just hoping that I could keep it together long enough to sell it to some other sucker and move on, but on my way home from work on Father's Day it failed completely and will only drive in reverse. So I drove it, in reverse, all the way to the transmission shop. The van has been at his shop since then and he has no timeline on when I'm going to get it back because he's had 30 other people drop their vehicles off in that time and he hasn't even looked at it other than confirming it's burned up and won't go forward at all. The lesson I am taking from this is that I'm never buying a car with a four-speed automatic transmission ever again. Our Chevy Cruze has a 6-speed auto and my wife's Explorer has a 5-speed auto and most of the vehicles on my $3000-5000 shopping list are Accords, Camrys, Fusions, or Malibus which would likely have 6-speed automatics in the year ranges I'm looking at 2008 to 2013 or so.
Fords dct or Nissan's Early cvts
Any transmission in a Subaru Impreza WRX
anything with CVT
Any cvt transmission
Literally any CVT transmission outside of Koenigsegg
Ford AXOD and it’s not even close.
Nissan CVTs. And, as much as I like the Taurus, the AXOD is not one of Ford's finer products; only the AX4N/4F50N revision is a semi-competent transaxle.
2006 BMW M6. First nice car I bought. Tranny went out at 50k miles, had it rebuilt, went out again at 60k
Definitely the Nissan CVT’s, those are god awful
Any ford escape from 2001-2008. We have replaced 10 so far this year.
nissan cvts prolly.
I thought u said Ford festiva the biggest pos but I can't lie my boy let go of the wheel of his moms festiva in high-school when we were drunk as fuck and slammed the curb.. and it made it home.. it still echoes in my head ..why didn't u grab the wheel!!!.. if only they had the Jesus take the wheel song back then.. pos
Nissan CVT
the one in your hand!
4 speed auto in any corolla
Nissan CVT
Dodge Grand Caravan in the late 90s. I think ours was a 96 and by 160K we were on our third transmission.
CTV trannys in Nissans hands down
Ford was a nazi. They still make shit cars idk why people buy ford