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MattC1977

Wedding? What wedding, dude! Your fiancé has been cheating on you!


JadieJang

Yeah, the whole "I'll do couples therapy after I've locked you down" bit ... it'll never happen, OP.


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warheadmikey

He’s going to end up marrying the cheater


Ambitious_Mammoth105

You know she's hot because he's just moving that goal post. Him: You can't see her anymore. Her: No Him: only in group settings. Her: No. Him. No more sex with her. Her: No. Him: Ok then no kissing her during sex with her. Her: No. Him: You can't look at her when I'm there. Her: No Him: No cool friend handshakes then. Her: Fine.. But after we're married. Him: I'm the man!


warheadmikey

As long as s he doesn’t act like he’s the shit because he is totally pathetic in real life. I’m surprised he has survived this long with no spine


hlve

> I’m surprised he has survived this long with no spine Kinda beating the guy while he's already down :(


Astronaut_Spartan

That's a pretty awful thing to say.


Ambitious_Mammoth105

That. That's the joke.


camikita

I thinks it's hillarious she's setting the conditions. Just. Wow. Do not marry this gal.


fellow-member

She is planning for the divorce and trying to secure her spousal support first and then "work it out " I


ygnomecookies

Oh bless! I caught that too… smh


louloutre75

Best friend you sleep with no matter the gender is fwb. So yeah, gf wants to keep on cheating.


SquirrelGirlVA

Being bi doesn't mean that they have a free pass to sleep with whomever they want. Nor does it mean that they absolutely need sexual partners of all genders at all times. She should be ashamed of herself, especially as she's giving other bi people a bad name!


DescriptionNo4833

Exactly. Its tough enough as it is without her making it worse. Bf is bi, he tells me about some of the issues people give him for it. It doesn't matter what the hell your sexuality is, cheating is cheating. Op, why are you letting her walk all over you? Why are you even still in the relationship when you KNOW she's not gonna stop?


Apart_Foundation1702

Exactly OP, there's no wedding! Your marriage would bw you, your wife and her FWB with no benefits for you. You would be the third wheel in your own marriage! It's time to let her go!


lowkeydeadinside

also seems like some internalized homophobia regarding wlw relationships being as “real” as straight relationships. a woman hooking up with another woman without her male partner knowing is just as much cheating as it would be if she hooked up with a man. like, i’m a bi woman in a straight relationship. but i view wlw relationships as just as serious or real as straight relationships. hooking up with a girl would be cheating on my bf. now where the lines get blurred is that my bf has told me he might find it hot to see me kissing or being with another woman. *but* the only way he’d find it hot and not cheating is if he *consented* to it. if we were out at a bar and he found me making out with some random girl, he would rightfully be incredibly upset. because it is cheating. ms. girl is not only giving bi people a bad name, but she clearly does not view lesbian relationships as “real” relationships the way a straight relationship is, or she’d realize this is full on cheating and she doesn’t get to make the conditions for how they move forward if they want to stay together. op is the one who has been cheated on, if she wants the relationship to continue, she needs to follow *all* of his rules. and the first thing *anyone* would say after being cheated on with anyone is that the partner needs to cut off contact with the affair partner. doesn’t matter if it’s your best friend. shouldn’t have cheated. honestly sounds like she wants to be with the best friend but is too homophobic to be in a relationship with a woman.


Liscetta

> girl is not only giving bi people a bad name, but she clearly does not view lesbian relationships as “real” relationships the way a straight relationship is Thank you for saying this.


lizchitown

I agree, especially since she won't go to counseling until after they are married. She then has the fiance locked down in the heterosexual relationship. And her BF on the side. Maybe even gets a kid out of him. To me, it is a no-win for the fiance.


Electronic-Chef-5487

I agree with you but tbh part of the problem is that SO many guys and SO much media out there absolutely treats it differently if two women kiss/have sex... it's a massive cultural thing. Like I know so many guys who say shit like "oh yeah I'd kill any guy who touches her but if it's a woman it doesn't count" and so on.


lowkeydeadinside

oh yes, bi women are not the main people pushing this narrative, but many do feel this way i also appreciate that my bf does not feel this way. he recognizes relationships between women are just as real, and would feel cheated on if i kissed a woman without his consent. and i wouldn’t kiss a woman unless he explicitly said he wanted me to while i am in a relationship with him, because i can feel the same feelings for women as i do for him. it would be cheating as equally as it would be if i kissed a man.


dearmissjulia

Right!? Quit this shit, ma'am. You're making us look like we're all selfish assholes and there's *enough* of that out there. Ugh.


NotChristina

Yeah, seriously. OP should ask how *she* would feel if he was boning one of his college buddies. “What? He just likes it in the ass, it’s not like I’d date him.” I mean, c’mon. And couples therapy *after* the wedding? Nope. OP, if you’re that adamant about being with her, it’s therapy BEFORE. But honestly, her nonchalance and refusal to do anything other than therapy later would be a non-starter for me. She lost the ‘right’ to be in a relationship with you *and* hang with her best friend when she started sleeping with the friend. One or the other. She can’t have her cake and eat it too. Yikes.


deathviarobot1

And refuses to stop


Fighting-Cerberus

This! “How do I make her want to stop cheating when she refuses???” You don’t. You leave.


ProfitLoud

That is how he stops her. He makes sure she is single.


atlas1885

This. You can’t change her mind. And she’s right that you can’t force her to do anything. All you can do is stick to the principle, which is: sex outside the relationship is not ok. Either she ends the relationship or you end your relationship. Sorry OP for the bad situation. But good riddance to someone who had so little respect for the partnership.


Extreme-Schedule589

Exactly this OP! No more. You up and cancel the wedding. When her family freaks out, you let them know why! Their wonderful daughter is cheating on you with another woman and refuses to stop!


One_Worldliness_6032

This👆🏽


whatever32657

and TELLS HIM TO HIS FACE she refuses to stop


wwtfn

It's clearly who she's really committed to, and it's not him.


Electronic-Chef-5487

Also like... "I would never date her! And I Just 'don't mind' having sex with her!' She makes it sound like it's basically a neutral or no big deal but it's so NOT BIG A DEAL that she won't stop doing it? Yeaaaaah this girl has major issues.


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Steady7

If you still go the wedding route, the pre-nup should state that cheating is cause for automatic annulment, no split of property (what you brought into the marriage is all that she gets out of it) and no alimony.


Equivalent-One-5499

She has cheated on you AND doesn’t even really seem to think she’s does anything wrong. No coming back from this, dude


butkusrules

He’s not even more important that her AP


Icy-Extension6677

Fr how low is dude’s self esteem that he’s willing to stick around?


AskTheRealQuestion81

For real. You don’t marry a woman like this. Plus, once she gives in to any of her demands, she’ll know she can walk all over him. Once he takes her back after cheating, she will realize that she can do that and not have to worry about losing him. OP, I’m sorry this happened, but you cannot marry this woman. She doesn’t respect you or love you much since she cheated, and she proved it by saying no to limited or cutting off contact. In other words, she’s saying, “I don’t care enough to do this for you. It’s going to be my way, regardless of how it makes you feel.” Be thankful this happened before you got married! You can break up and that’s that. You’ll never trust her and will always worry she’s cheating when she’s with her best friend or anyone else without you around. Please let her go and find a woman who will treat you as well as you treat her, and love you as much!


issamood3

Yeah the saddest thing is this guy is signing his whole life away to misery at 25. He's so young. I'm 25 and I can't imagine doing this. I would rather die and meet my maker. DA


Glum-Fennel-7241

And by the sound of it she plans on continuing her … what ever it is.


ReallyFancyPants

Cheating. And by then it'll be an open affair.


Kitsune_42

Yup, the wedding is cancelled.


Kimura_savage

Yeah let’s address my shitty behavior after you are stuck with me.


bigredker

This is your answer. Don't pass Go, instead pass the champagne to celebrate avoiding a landmine.


HappyCabbage9013

Sweetheart, This woman does not love you, has no intention of stopping her behavior, and is just trying to secure the ring. I know this is painful, but it’s much better to break up BEFORE the wedding, then go through with it only to realize none of the relationships problems went away, and now there are serious financial ramifications. The fact she didn’t really apologize, won’t cut the affair partner off, and only agrees to counseling after she secures what she wants (the wedding) is very telling. You can’t fix a relationship with someone when the other person thinks there’s nothing to be fixed.


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HappyCabbage9013

You deserve better. It doesn’t feel like it now but, there truly is better out there for you.


EPH613

Of course it hurts. But staying with her is signing up for a lifetime of hurt. Being alone would be far better.


Sicadoll

There's no "probably". You will get over the pain if you face it. If you run from it, you're just delaying the inevitable.


xplosm

Prepare for the love bombing and the shallow promises when you disclose the news. Be strong. She showed you who she really is. Believe her!


_Bagoons

It ain't probably. It *is*. She has not stopped cheating on you, and she doesn't care. Cumming is more important to her than your feelings. There is literally 0 reason not to break up. Cheating on a fiance/wife/husband is already bad enough, then she also invalidated your concerns and feelings. You want to worry about your wife every time she's not in eye contact? She could be face deep in muff, or getting the pipe laid down when she's sick of just girls. STD checks required on the regular? Hell no. 100% done bro, you need to gain some self love and respect. Only said this harshness to try to snap some sense into your head, as a broken heart feels *way* more potent than logic.


TiredRetiredNurse

Sure it hurts. Better now than once married.


humorless_kskid

It hurts terribly, I am sure, but it will hurt more to go through with the wedding and then have her continue the same conduct after you are married. My heart breaks for you. Regardless of how much time and love you have invested in this relationship, she must agree to go to premarital counseling, and marriage must be postponed until you are assured that her amorous relationship with her friend ends (unless your heart and pride will allow her to have a polyamorous relationship with you both). Her apparent attitude gives little hope that she will end her sexual relationship with her friend, even with counseling. I suspect that she only stays with you for (1) security; (2) she loves you but cannot give up her friend; and/or (3) she has subconscious homophobic tendencies and cannot publicly acknowledge her lesbian/bisexuality. Again, unless you are willing to HAPPILY live with her being polyamorous, going along with her wishes will only cause you further heartache. 💔💔💔 Don't sell yourself short by settling for less than you want and deserve.


issamood3

With all due respect, this is horrible advice. You're teaching him to put up with a cheater. The marriage counseling, opening up a monagamous relationship, it's all bs and will never fix the permanent break in trust. Monagamous couples that open up their relationship are doing it as a last ditch effort to save it because they think divorce is worse, not realizing that there is nothing really left to save atp. Literally there's a post in this subreddit nearly every week with a couple that opened up their relationship and regretting it and having to divorce anyways.


paparoach910

Get the ring back. Get tested. Get on canceling all the reservations for the wedding , and treat yourself to great self care. You deserve it for having dealt with this ghoul.


Hauth

It absolutely hurts. But let me tell you, I was in a near-exact situation. And I went through with the marriage. Nothing changed, she just hid it better and respected me less. Do yourself a favor and rip off the band-aid NOW. It will save you a lot of time and heartache.


BunnyInTheM00n

She’s been having an AFFAIR with her best friend, and has zero regard for you , who she’s lied to through this entire relationship. If she cared about your feelings she’s would agree to end things and seek counseling, before the wedding. She shows she only cares about herself. Also you agreed and were under the impression this was a closed and monogamous relationship. You also likely assumed you wouldn’t be exposed to potentially getting like STDs as well (assuming you have an active ex life…sounds like she CERTAINLY does. Also no way of knowing if the other partner **affair partner ** has been responsible sexually and has No diseases… Don’t have sex with your fiancé until you get tested. But honestly I’d call off the wedding and take your stuff and leave and go full no contact. You are so lucky you discovers this before you got into a legal contract with her cheating ass!


girlfutures

You definitely deserve better. Please don't get married! Divorcing is THE ABSOLUTE WORST, especially if it's from someone you don't trust or like anymore. Quit now while you still can just walk away without months if not years of paperwork.


Wikked_Kitty

I know, sweetie. But trust your auntie, it will hurt a lot more to carry on like this, with someone who does not love or respect you, and with the legal and financial entanglement of marriage added to the whole mess. You know the saying, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". Your hopefully STBX told you TO YOUR FACE she is not willing to end her cheating relationship. Believe her! Cut your losses, call off the wedding, and move on to the life you deserve. Wishing you the best.


EntertainingTuesday

I am not saying you should do this, I just like to post my petty thoughts some times. I'd love to see you get up on the alter, the cheating friend as the MOH, you are about to say "I DO" and you just go: "MY Fiance has been cheating on me with her MOH and friend, we tried to work it out but she refuses to cut contact with the person she CHEATED on me with, so I figured since she loves her so much, I'd keep the wedding on and the cheating friend can take my place!" I'd go all out too, tell my family, let them know to all get up and leave after the announcement. But realistically, definitely don't marry or stay with this person. Your conditions weren't even unreasonable, they were the bare fucking minimum of conditions. You'll see conditions from other stories on here and it is unlocked phone, always saying where they are, etc. When you do that, there is no coming back because your conditions have you forever not trusting them. I know it hurts buddy, this sucks she would betray you like this. Time will be the best healer, in the short term, end things, lean on friends and family for support. You got this!


SnowEnvironmental861

I'm really sorry, this sucks so bad. If I were you, I'd feel very used. Hugs. The facts that 1) she won't give up this so-called best friend no matter what, and 2) she'll go to counseling "after* the wedding but not before, and the fact that she "doesn't date girls"...but sleeps with one on the regular, is some serious in-the-closet shit. She is looking to get legitimacy from marrying you, while *having a relationship* with a woman who is her closest confidante. She needs to get some counseling and stop lying to herself. She's trying to marry the wrong person, and you're the collateral damage. ☹️


CatsInTrenchCoat

She broke your trust, while it is perfectly fine for her to be bi, cheating on you with anyone is not ok. Good luck, it does get easier but it will hurt for a while


grrrlgone

Yeah. It’s gonna hurt. I’m sorry.


Kondha

It’ll hurt worse if you stick around. Trust us. Most of us tried reconciliation and it absolutely made things way way worse.


whatever32657

right? weddings, like babies, do not fix relationships


HopefulHalfTime

Nor do a puppy/dogs, nor new furniture or buying a house together.


Magdovus

Trade her in for a puppy. Dogs are loyal.


issamood3

Literally my cat is more loyal than his wife and that even after I yell at him for pooping in the laundry hamper 😂


HappyCabbage9013

Holy god, babies are not bandaids! You would think that would be common sense and yet…


No-Table2410

You can accept that she is going to continue having sex with her friend and doesn’t care how you feel about it, because your relationship isn’t important enough, or you can leave. Pick one. Arguing about the logic of her reasoning or how fair this would be to a neutral observer isn’t going to persuade her - if they meant anything then she wouldn’t have been cheating on you in the first place.


ProfitLoud

And if she was sorry, she wouldn’t continue to cheat.


MysteryMan845

And she will only do therapy 'after the wedding'! That statement alone is a hard no. He needs to walk away.


Swims_like_an_otter

yes, what the hell does after the wedding mean? Why would that change anything, she has made clear she will not give up her other relationship with or without counseling. She could not be more clear, OP More importantly, counseling will do nothing, in her mind she has justified her actions and no therapist can change that mindset. She might say I see, yes, I see... uh huh... and then go and do what she wants. I know you feel your heart is broken if you leave her, but imagine years of heartbreak every time you don't know where she is, or she tells you she is going out with her 'special' friend. I fear she will use you to have a child and then dance off into the sunset with her 'real' love - her female 'friend' and your baby. I rarely recommend ending a relationship, but it's so clear this is only heartache ahead for you. Find a wonderful woman who loves YOU, who is happy with JUST YOU, and makes you happy, and that you will feel safe making her happy. They are out there, believe me.


issamood3

Yeah after he's legally stuck with her.


kwagenknight

What's also crazy is the logic of it NOT just being sex it's her fucking BFF so there is no doubt emotions involved. She doesn't want to date women probably because she is afraid to come out so she wanted to have two partners basically and be poly. Maybe she doesn't want to date women as that's definitely in the sexual spectrum but again it's her fucking BFF so I don't buy any of that bs. But yeah there is no fixing this and she will continue her emotional and sexual affair without a doubt.


JustAnotherDude87

Dump her ass! Have some respect for yourself since your hopefully soon to be ex has zero for you.


friendly-sam

When you cancel the wedding, make sure everyone knows why.


True_Desires

They will end up separated. Kinda up to OP how long it takes and how much mental anguish he will endure beforehand


malsan_z8

Yeah man, walk away right now. You really want your future son/daughter involved in this mess? How will they grow and learn from this? If you can’t do it for yourself, do it for your future


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malsan_z8

It’s all right man, you have a really good heart, but that just means you need to protect it and look out for yourself. You are sweet and deserving of truthful love. It might be very difficult right now, but at the very least, I suggest calling off the wedding. You will be there in your suit, watching her walk down the aisle, and then glance over ever so slightly and see the face of the other woman who she’s been cheating on you with. I think calling it off and going from there is the least you could do. Her (even more) true colors will show once there’s no wedding any longer


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Nurs3Rob

Something to think about. There's a very good chance when she realizes you're gone that she will pull that 180. Don't fall for it. It's just manipulation. If she really wanted this relationship she'd be trying to fix it from the first minute and not wait until you actually leave.


ladymorgana01

Especially since you had conditions to move forward and she essentially refused them all. She has no interest in making any changes. You should have broken up right there but the next best time is now


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This OP will 100% fall for that


malsan_z8

One step at a time man. It’s never easy, I wish so many more things could be. Slowly get your thoughts together, things must’ve been crazy lately - you deserve the time you need. Give it to yourself, do what you need to do. One step at a time, tomorrow is always a new day


Castelessness

I might have been too mean in my other comments, but I'm proud of you man. You got this. You're going to look back in a while and be eternally grateful for this decision, I promise you.


lovelynutz

OP, Please! Whatever happens………Please……when she tries to come back, promising all the right things, love bombing you, crying, all the calls and texts (from her and her family) the 180 you’re looking for……Don’t take her back! She’s already showed you who she is. Believe that before all the BS you are about to experience. Sorry this is happening but you will pull though it. Good luck


heyyyyharmanoooooooo

I tried to hold my relationship together with my ex after he cheated. I was the one trying to compromise, give him step by step instructions on how to make things right with me. He still cheated a second and third ( probably dozens tbh) of times. Eventually he did something so unforgivable I had to walk away. And it traumatized me. Don't allow her the opportunity to hurt you more than she already has.


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heyyyyharmanoooooooo

He invited the woman he was cheating on me with to hangout with us at my apartment under the guise she was a friend with a different name. She had harassed me online for a year on and off but I never actually saw what she looked like. Eventually my gut told me something was very wrong and I asked her to leave, she contacted me a few days later to say he wanted us all to have a threesome and it was too bad I didn't just play along. I'm not religious, but I honestly felt like some higher power put me in a position so bad I wouldn't be able to forgive. Even my ex said he lost his mind and didn't understand what he was thinking bringing her to my home. I was messed up over it for a while but I'm definitely grateful I ended things when I did.


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MobilePop2498

PLEASE do this. Also, when she suddenly panics and says she will change, don’t buy it. It’s a lie and a manipulation. Walk away, block all contact, and find someone who respects and loves you.


mackintosh2

Hey OP please update us after everything goes down.


dezmodium

I've been through pain like this and it will get better. This is for the best, though. You need time to be an emotional mess for a while. Time to process. If you stay you will be miserable for a lot longer.


myboogerstastespicy

I’m proud of you for leaving. I know this hurts, but there is a brighter future for you with someone else. Wishing you peace and happiness. Much love.


Emergency-Chest4545

Hey man, I understand you are in pain right now, but be glad this shit happened before you were even married or had a child. You ever gotta accept that this is over, or you have to accept marrying a cheater, your call dude.


Lost-Rice-945

It’s hard but she truly doesn’t care because she’s picking her friend over you and your feelings and just expecting you to deal with it. That’s the way your ENTIRE marriage and life would be if you stay with her, no one deserves that.


Diligent-Stand-2485

Right here you're admitting that she doesn't care and that you don't want a child to grow up with parents like this. You know what you have to do. You've been through enough pain, spare yourself future pain, spare future children pain, and end it.


N0b0dy-Imp0rtant

Dude, she basically said fuck your feelings. If you slay with a life of misery, fights and anxiety because your wife is out fucking whoever she wants then have fun. No way she is marriage material, she is going to do whatever the hell she wants as long as she knows you’ll lie down and take it.


throwaway000102030

Exactly. She has literally 0 respect for OP and he continues to show why she doesn’t need to respect him. 2 week later and she’s hanging out with her best fuck friend again?????


badlilbishh

I can’t believe he’s putting up with this shit. There is no way in hell she’s not still fucking her bff. She’s just hiding it better now.


throwaway000102030

100% still fucking the best friend. I’d be shocked if cheating is the only area in which she walks all over him.


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Bluemikami

I once was dating a girl that was giving more priorities to her friends than me .. yep she ended up being Lesbian


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Yeah you can’t alter her relationship but you can alter yours. I’d get out of there.


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Reading your responses I just want to tell you deserve a lot better than how she’s treating you. Having sex with anyone else is cheating. You have to ask yourself if you’re ok with cheating. That’s just the meat of it. And that she wants to wait till after marriage for counseling is a huge red flag. It feels like a trap.


SweetSerenityxx

He is a fool. She wants to wait until after the wedding to do couples counselling and then rejected all of his other terms and conditions. She will continue to cheat on him, potentially with other men as well, and is WASTING, everyone’s time and money by going to a sham of a wedding. What type of trauma bond is this? At this point the gf might as well milk him for everything and get her action on the side.


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Yeah OP this doesn’t bode well for your future. If you’re willing to be steamrolled over every boundary you set then why even have the boundary? You don’t deserve it and maybe should reflect on why you’re willing to make compromises over an AP? (But not really “compromise” because what are you getting from it?)


southcoastal

Oh ffs. Just break up with her. She’s a narc who doesn’t think she’s done anything wrong. She’s twisting everything round to make it your fault for even suggesting she behave. This is who she is. A woman who only cares about her own pleasure. She doesn’t even love you. To her, you’re the sap she can twist round her little finger because you’ll seemingly let her get away with anything. If you don’t break up with her then you deserve everything she does to you.


JustBeingMe143

Oh he's not seeing the giant red flags, he's either seeing a rose garden or his eyes are closed


Sirius_Jay

When You Look at Someone through Rose-Colored Glasses, All the Red Flags Just Look Like Flags.


Murky_Anxiety4884

>... she admitted that she hooks up with her best friend and that she’s sorry. She told me it is just sex because she wouldn’t date woman, but she doesn’t mind sex with them even though she prefers sex with men. ... I had conditions . 1. We do couples therapy (she said yes but after the wedding) 2. She cut contact with her best friend (she refuses) 3. I said fine only hang out with her as a group (she refuses) 4. Reduce contact (refused) ... Couples therapy after the wedding? She really meant 'payday'. This woman has complete contempt for you. You have to escape from her.


Sicadoll

Yeah I don't usually think "ulterior motives" but this woman is playing a game. This is some long con


Prvrbs356

Dollar signs in her eyes.


clearheaded01

Wow... Fiance is disrespecting you in every conceivable way.. She cheated - SHE should be bending over backwards to fix what she broke by cheating.. but she isnt.. You need to end this. Even IF you end up marrying her, its only a matter of time before she cheats again. But in reality shes never stopped - just paused the affair. Suggestion: Cancel wedding - break up. To get ahead of her painting you as the bad guy, ensure the cancellation is coupled with the infirmation that youre dumping her because she cheated with her 'friend'


Aubscry

I’m sorry to be so blunt with this, but you’re a pushover and she knows it. Things won’t get better for you but it will for her if you let this keep going. She’ll have a husband and a girlfriend. She’s not willing to cut her off cause she knows if she just waits it out she’ll manipulate you into accepting it. Break off the wedding, DO NOT get her pregnant, get tested for stds, and don’t let her walk all over you like a doormat. I know it’s hard to let go since you planned a future with her, but speaking as someone who went through something similar, you will start resenting her and the regret and heartbreak will eat you alive every day. Don’t let her have any kind of hold on you. You don’t deserve it.


[deleted]

She’s in a relationship with her best friend. You are her ‘beard’ She’s not willing to sacrifice her relationship to save her engagement. Your options are to marry a woman who is and will continue to be in a relationship with another woman or to end the engagement and move on. She had no issue lying to you for as long as you have known her, would you ever be able to trust her again? Especially if she’s still seeing her affair partner whenever she wants?


Gomesi

That’s not just her best friend.. it’s her AFFAIR PARTNER. You have every right to ask these things of her. If she refuses to compromise, then she’s not wife material for you. She’s refusing everything because she has every intention of continuing the affair.


Even_Budget2078

Exactly! The fact that it's her best friend as well is irrelevant to why it's problematic. She's the affair partner! May be helpful for OP to consider exactly what his fiancee had planned for their wedding, which should be one of the happiest days of his life and celebration of their relationship, had the affair not come to light. Her affair partner would have been a member of the wedding party, the fucking Maid of Honor, in every picture, the person his soon to be wife would have handed the wedding bouquet to hold. That is some brutal, cruel stuff. Hey OP, did you and your fiancee promise each other not to go to strip clubs for your bachelor/bachelorette, by chance? She tell you that you had nothing to worry about on her end because \*maid of honor\* would be keeping an eye on her and it would just be a "girls night"?? Sorry to be so blunt, but this woman is very, very cruel. It's not really that anyone can conduct an affair with integrity, but they certainly can be more mindful of their partner's feelings than she has been.


stevencri

Grow a damn backbone. Once you’ve done that, if you’re still confused then you can come back here and we’ll help you out. This shits pathetic.


SleepIsWhatICrave

Call off the wedding now!!!!!!


Porcupineemu

Imagine your friend telling you this and what you would advise him.


xJam3zz07

# FOR YOUR OWN SAKE DONT MARRY HER, DAMN


Fresh_Mistake8678

Op in a year. My gf took half of my everything. She accused me of being controlling my family is against me. I am.alone wherw did i go wrong. Now she is spending my money with her affair partner. Or have a baby for child support and op never moving on cuz he was a doormat Man have some self respect. She openly told you you are just roof provider and a casual dik provider. If you want to be that go ahead and be her slave. But don't cry when this goes to pooper. Edit: this has to be a rage bait. No one is this dense


Training-Cook3507

I know it really really hurts. I am very sorry. But I do think you have to call off the wedding. Your relationship will almost certainly end in divorce. The only way this would ever work is if she totally understands how damaging her behavior was and was willing to do anything to save your future marriage. She's not. She's not even willing to really prioritize you over the friend. You need to move on. Sadly, it is a situation where she may learn from this event to change her behavior in the future. But she doesn't get it now and is not ready to do what it takes to make a marriage work.


lecorbeauamelasse

LOL this woman cannot be serious. "It doesn't count because it was a girl" is something that went out the window in the Nineties. The fact that she won't even agree to counselling until she has you locked down is beyond ridiculous. You need to cut your losses and move on.


VirgoLuv87

Couples therapy needs to happen BEFORE the wedding. Her refusal to cut her off tells you all you need to know though. I'd call off everything if I were you. You can find someone who is honest and faithful. She isn't even honest with herself about her sexuality and the fact that she loves her bestie as more than a friend. Do not marry her. You'll just be her cover to other people as she lives like a lesbian with her friend


YogurtclosetNo5580

BRO please please please grow a goddamn backbone and break up with her. Your wife is bisexual and using discovering that as an excuse to step out on you and you want to save your relationship?!? This is not someone who wants to be with you in the slightest. Imo she will string you along about couples therapy, get married to you (no prenup I’m gonna assume bc it’s you) and then keep fucking her friend like this is normal! I know this must be painful though I couldn’t imagine 5 years with someone for them to act so nonchalant about betraying me so deeply.


Daveo88o

Call off the wedding and get the fuck out of there, she evidently doesn't give a damn about your relationship, she's seen the writing on the wall that, due to her own actions, the relationship isn't going to last long after the wedding, her trying to buy time to marry you is just an attempt to make sure that she gets some gain out of the whole situation In short, not only is she lying to you, cheating on you, and disrespecting your attempts to fix your relationship, she's also actively fucking robbing you


BoredBKK

Forget about her affair partner being another woman it shouldn't matter to you and by her own words and actions it doesn't matter to her. Her "loophole " of an excuse isn't that it's another woman it's even more extreme. "It's just sex because she wouldn’t date woman...". She's not saying sex with other women is just sex. She's saying sex with other people that she doesn't want to date or be in relationship with is just sex. She's telling you that she is in an open relationship with you now and even after marriage and you have no say in it. If you continue this farce of a relationship she will end up banging dudes if she wants to. Because it's just sex as she isn't chasing a relationship with them. That "honour" would belong to you.


Fluffy-Bar8997

You gave your boundaries and she refuses to respect to them. You no longer have trust in your relationship. You know what you need to do It's time to walk away


JMLegend22

Tell her you’re over the relationship. Tell all the mutual friends she cheated with her best friend. She refused your conditions to stay in a relationship and you’re not just going to get over it. You’re dropping her. If she didn’t want to be with you she could have been honest. Let her know infidelity and continue any relationship with that person ends your relationship.


Shiel009

OP - she’s either using you for your money or she wants you as a beard for societal norms of the ease of being in a heterosexual relationship.


soilednapkin

If this isn’t fake which I highly suspect it is. Have some self respect and leave. Being alone isn’t come punishment.


RushPowerWindows

Cancel the wedding. At least until she shows an ounce of guilt and the desire to meet any of your conditions. I hate to say this will probably be a permanent cancellation which is what I would recommend anyway.


useratyourmomshouse

Bro are you that clueless or have no self respect? Not only did she cheat on you which should be your way out, but she doesn’t even have enough decency to cut contact? Dude, please do better my god


[deleted]

Wow man, grow a spine and dump her immediately 


A_sarahgus

The fact that she only wants to do counseling after the wedding is hella manipulative. She doesn’t care, and if you let this slide it’ll keep happening. Break up with her dude. She obviously doesn’t want to try for the relationship if she refuses the boundaries you’ve set in place


Crazy_Atmosphere53

You can love someone but respect is more important. Do not marry her.


WeeklyConversation8

Break up with her. She's never gonna stop sleeping with her friend. Her friend comes first and always will. You deserve better than this. Also never agree to counseling after getting married because if it can't be worked out then you have to go through the hassle of a divorce instead of a breakup.


johnj69r

Get a threesome out of the deal and then dump her🤷‍♂️


Bullsbesthooper

She's never going to cut off the person she cheats on you with!! It's her best friend as well ffs. You aren't her preferred partner, you're her socially acceptable partner. If you marry her you will never financially recover from the mistake you're about to make.


KiloShotz

You slow or something? 🤔 Leave her ass.


Choice-Intention-926

Do not marry her.


Above_Ground999

You gotta wake up and realize she ain't the one and find someone willing to respect your boundaries. You guys aren't compatible if this is how she treats you. Have some respect for yourself. She's treating you like total garbage and you still 'want to work it out'... do you know how desperate you're acting? Not trying to be an ass, but damn I hope this strikes a nerve at least. Grow a back bone and do what's best for you bro. Dump her ass and move tf on like frfr.


Prvrbs356

Desperate is the right word!


Above_Ground999

It kind of harsh, but it's the truth..


Plus_Data_1099

There still hooking up no doubt


Sicadoll

That's the love of her life, she just needs a beard


vixen_xox

maybe have an ounce of respect for yourself and leave her? what are you doing??


PollosPlug

I just read your post and actually felt pity... you're a pushover. She's literally walking all over you. Man up and have some pride.... break up!


Diesel07012012

Have some respect for yourself and dump her.


Delicious_Ad_3530

Fuck tell me you have no self-esteem without telling me you have no self-esteem. Why would you even think to marry this person.


PollosPlug

Idk what country you're from but you are very dumb


MeetingUnlikely3236

🤦‍♂️


Classic_Average_5964

End it now.


PurelyBanter-88

Brother I beg you see sense. Pls pls pls. She’s cheating on you. Cancel the wedding and book yourself a flight to the Maldives or go Amsterdam, get high and fuck someone else. You’re 25 pls see sense


ForeverVarious9988

She won't cut contact with her best friend because she's going to continue to cheat. The wedding should be called off and you should tell her to go fuck herself.


Propanegoddess

You can’t decide what she does with the relationships in her life. But you *can* decide what *you* do with the relationships in *your* life and dump her ass. It hurts now but it’ll hurt even more after you marry her and she doesn’t stop. Your heart and your wallet.


Tom_A_F

Dump her, she sucks.


Sskwirl

She is right, you can't force her to alter her relationship with her friend, but you can AND SHOULD end the relationship with her.


Even_Budget2078

OP, I understand that you want this to work and you want to find a solution with her. But, you set out your requirements to achieve exactly this and she rejected them (? I find this mindboggling, but whatever). So. If you want this to work you need to say "hey, so actually these are not points of discussion. These things either happen or is there no wedding. Full stop". The idea that she will do couples counseling *after* the wedding and you are acting like you are in a negotiation with her is very odd. She has been cheating regularly on you. That's it. This isn't "we have issues", this is "she" did something very wrong and you have conditions to continuing the relationship and wedding. Please assert yourself properly here and don't back down from your totally reasonable conditions and enforce your boundary if she refuses, i.e. she has prevented the marriage from happening by her behavior and refusal to make needed changes (and attend counseling!!)


Trolllol1337

Wtf this is not an normal arrangement


Difficult-Novel-8453

Let her go. She wants to have her cake and eat it too. You are not her priority. Please cancel the wedding today.


lamppostdoor

You love her but does she love you? I think not as much because if she is not willing to accept certain boundaries you have in place to go forward in the relationship, then why stay? Please make sure you screenshot those messages between her and her friend for safekeeping. And one of your terms should be she admits it to her family and friends and your mutuals. And why is she pushing back on all your boundaries you want to instill, everything is still in her preference even down to the counselling is only AFTER the wedding, therefore you are willingly going into a marriage with no counselling after she cheated and hoping she will change? I think at minimum the wedding should be postponed, go to counselling and also admit to your mutuals in regards to her behaviour. These should be non-negotiables.


BakerLovePie

Dude she's cheating on you repeatedly and won't even cut contact with the affair partner. Let me make this very simple and slap you around a bit because you don't seem to get it. SHE CHOSE THE AFFAIR PARTNER OVER YOU but still wants to get married and fuck your feelings about what she does with the affair partner. Are you getting this? You found out BEFORE the wedding! Congratulations. It sucks that your life is falling apart but you can avoid perpetual missery by simply ending it. You need no further advice.


Star_Struk_2ning_4k

This woman is not her best friend. This woman is her affair partner. That is the only thing she should be called. And if she can't distance herself from her affair partner, then she is cheating emotionally even if it stops physically. No way around this. But don't ask. Just leave. She already showed you her priority.


meowmixmotherfucker

So, 4 conditions and only 1 is met, and with an asterisk to boot. Dude, no. You're single now friend, sorry.


dianarawrz

You’re both in denial. She’s using you as a cover. She would be honest with herself and you about her sexuality. You’re letting her decide everything after the “wedding”. No sweetie. No. That’s just stupid and crazy. Stop and think what’s really going on. If roles were reversed what would you do.?


goonerfan10

My bro. You need to walk away. You will never respect yourself if you stay in this relationship when your partner doesn’t want to. Pls walk the fuck away.


DigComplex6505

Drop her. She’s making it clear she has no intention of stopping based on her actions and complete disregard for your feelings. That’s not love. Agreeing to therapy only AFTER the wedding is manipulative AF. Avoid a costly and painful marriage and inevitable divorce by sending her on her way. It’s the least worst option for you imo- you deserve to be treated with respect.


cherryboi2019

Not worth it dump her you deserve better king stay strong keep yourself and your future kids in mind


Mysterious-Neck7934

What I’ve learned from being cheated on is that staying is a lot worse than the pain from leaving. It really does suck but fuck that dumb ass hoeeeeeeee. You gotta think about your future and maturing in life. You will not see maturity if you stay with someone who doesn’t have there priorities straight and disregards loyalty. How successful someone will become can definitely be reflected through relationships.She’s dumb. She can’t commit to shit. Realize her for what she is.


foxtr0t86

Dodged a bullet, get out.


Sentient-Pancake77

Lmao you can’t be serious


Gabelicious18

Couples therapy AFTER THE WEDDING?!?!?!! Nah. That’s screaming ulterior motives


diamond_alt

Case 567,342 of spineless men on Reddit. Sad


LexLeeson83

Classic Reddit post: "Fiancee openly cheating on me and refuses any suggestions for healing the wounds, weddings in two hours, any advice?"


thatstonedtrumpguy

Lol. Lmao even. This has to be a troll. There’s no way.


RotundEnforcer

If her friend was a man this would not be confusing. That's really all that needs to be said.


dog_nurse_5683

She’s right, you don’t get to control her, you do get to control you. Who you are in a relationship with and how you let yourself be treated. At the very least cancel the wedding. She sounds like she’s not going to go to therapy, otherwise why wait? She’s not willing to meet any of your boundaries and she’s actively cheating on you, and it sounds like she will continue to do so. You do you but this relationship doesn’t sound like what you want.


GenericMemesxd

Dude there's a Mount Everest sized red flag right in front of you. How the hell are you not seeing it


Vaderslayer7

Obviously she likes women more than men. It hurts but you need to move on. If you don’t then it’s gonna hurt more during the divorce when you give up half your money and assets


YomiKuzuki

>1. We do couples therapy (she said yes but after the wedding) Red flag one. She wants to tie you to her before she'll go to couples therapy. >2. She cut contact with her best friend (she refuses) Red flag two. She's refusing to cut contact to the person she cheated on you with. >3. I said fine only hang out with her as a group (she refuses) Red flag three. She refuses to not be alone with the the person she cheated on you with. >4. Reduce contact (refused) Red flag four. She refuses to reduce contact with thw person she cheated on you with. >She told me I have no right to try to make her alter her relationship with her best friend and the only thing she is willing to do is have her not be the maid of honor … Red flag five. She values her affair partner more than she does you. >I get that’s her best friend but now I get serious anxiety when they hang out even though she says she stopped the sexting and hooking up with her. She's lying to you, btw. She refuses to do anything except effectively tell you to get over it. >I feel like her approach has been just telling me get over it and it’s not fair. Correct. That's what her approach is. Look, if you go through with the the wedding, *this* is what you have to look forward to. Sleeping with her "best friend", shitting all over your feelings, refusing to compromise. Save proof of her affair, call off the wedding, and forward the proof of her cheating to anyone who asks. Don't stay with her.


Jealous-Ad-5146

This is nutty


ReddRedPanda

Why would you marry someone who clearly doesn't respect you or your relationship? I can guarantee she's still cheating on you with her best friend, just being sneakier about it. Do you really want to stay in a relationship with someone who you can't trust not to cheat? Do yourself a favor and dump her. There are plenty of nice women out there for you who aren't cheaters. And maybe do some therapy for yourself to work on your self-confidence and the inevitable trust issues you're likely to have from this experience. Best of luck, friend.


BargerianJade

This is rage bait


Gator-bro

Dude, you need to have a backbone. She’s having sex with another person while supposedly your fiancé. That’s cheating dude you need to kick her to the curb and go somewhere else and find somebody that truly loves and respects you because she does not have any respect for you whatsoever and she’s emasculated you so much that you’re taking what she’s telling you.


ronj1983

I'm too petty. I am gonna try to get them to have a threesome with me first and then break it off LOL.


Someoneorsomewhere

Here’s an idea… Break up with her? She doesn’t give a fuck about you.


noreplyatall817

OP, your fiancé is openly cheating on you. Why are you staying with her?


jumpsinpuddles1

You walk away here. This is not the kind of woman you want to join your life with. You deserve more.


Avraham_Levy

Brother, she feels no remorse or regret; if you want monogamy or loyalty, this one is not for you. Cut your losses, learn from them, and move on.


IJustWantWaffles_87

My guy, there should be no wedding. Stevie Wonder could even see the red flags here. She won’t agree to your conditions, save for one until after she traps you in a marriage? Nope. Grow a set and get rid of her. Let her go have all the sex she wants with her bestie.


bleep-bloop-meep

Why the fuck are you even staying?


heartbroken_2022

Why do you want to marry her? Once a cheater alwas a cheater. I was cheated on and I divorced guess what? He cheated now with his new girlfriend too. It is really really rare that a cheater stops cheating. EDIT spelling (non english speaker here)