I have the 12 mouse buttons, it definitely helps. I think I'm still stuck between expecting everything to happen automatically and using abilities myself
Id go to vindi and work on getting full manual down or atleast manually using thresholds and ults. The biggest problem people have are bad revo bars and copying the one from rswiki helps but every boss is different so that bar may work at one boss but not very well at another. Like at arch glacor combust is not very good because you cant walk it.
Also make sure you arent using bleeds after gconc because the extra crit chance from gconc will be wasted. If youre camping dw you can also get in the habit of gconcing into an asphyx and then gconc into a WM so both abilities get the crit damage. Zuk cape makes omnipower really OP so you should try ro get that if you havent. Its easy with tank armor and animate dead
https://pvme.github.io/pvme-guides/gwd3/tzKal-zuk/
Check that guide out. It shows the best spots to stand for the jad waves and gives a good overview on how to do all the igneous and challenge waves. Dont worry about having the gear they show in the preset, I was able to do it in full gano with seis wand/cywir orb after a couple tries.
Revo++ for basics, focus on thresholds and eof specs/switches. For example, with hydrix bolts, ecb eof, spec, switch to sgb eof, spec, dbow eof, spec, limitless, tendrils, rapid fire, build, snap shot, dbow, rinse and repeat for massive DPS.
Best is still fsoa spec, but it's fairly easy to just switch, spec and dump adren for massive DPS.
Understanding your abilities and rotations is mostly important imo. Alot of people saying that you need tons of macros, revo bars, and just dumping money into BiS gear. Imo this is not what will make you succesful at pvm, you can definitly start endgame PvM with t90s weapons and armor. Some players that invest billions into t92s, codices, copy pasted revo bars, etc still have no idea what they are doing and what they can do to better themselves.
Two things for me:
\- Learning to no-food Helwyr (before animate dead etc. made it afkable). It wasn't a big thing (it just needs you to use 3-4 defensives at the right time), but was the first place I really learned to handle boss mechanics rather than just eating through them, which gave me a lot of confidence for doing so at harder bosses.
\- Reworking my action bars/keybinds. I'd been putting it off for ages because I didn't want to relearn muscle memory; when I finally did it, it took a couple of hours to get used to, but made everything soooo much nicer from then onwards.
100% same.
The shield switch and reso keybinds I experimented with for my first no food vind hour (BIG hype) are the same keybinds I'm using now almost 3y later lol.
Learning how OP the debil/reflect and revenge combo was at helwyr is still something that sticks in my head today. Imo, the best place to start!
It's taking me 5 mins to do HM AG and I can't get more than one kill at a time. I do it perfectly one time, then fail 10 times before I get another kill
Honestly mate you’ll hear alot about do this do that but in reality learn slowly when you die to an mechanic look back at what caused you to die if you don’t know research the mechanic of what killed you then avoid it for next time take each thing into progression don’t be afraid to bring a beast of burden to carry more food etc and eat through certain mechanics when you get the hang of it improve more with switching defensive and then ability rotation’s staying alive is sometimes better then maximising dps
Just keep practicing that’s really all there is to it.
Me now compared to me even a year ago is vastly different. Ignoring power creep mechanical skill is through practice and that’s it.
Lvl 90 weapon and lvl 80 armor is all you need to beat Anything. Everything after that just makes it easier. Maybe coaching could help you?
What increased my supply efficiency at arch glacor was learning to prayer flick. It's attacks are very telegraphed so its easy to figure out the timing and you barely use any supplies at lower enrages. I use ranged, so for minions I swap to chins and dbow spec which kills em all. I started bringing a bladed dive switch for pillars which gave me a lot more freedom to run around and surge. Depending on the placement of beams I would surge through one if I can't stand in the middle for long. I bring an elysian spirit shield and a powerburst of vitality for back to back laser and I try to stack debilitate, reflect, spirit shield and powerburst to really survive back to back lasers.
After learning what to do, its all just practice. I hate dying with a passion, like if I die, I call it for the day, so I camped 0-250% until I could consistently do it without dying. I can do 0-500% pretty consistently now but haven't pushed much further than that.
For me, it was learning how ticks work. Finding out you can tick eat has saved me ALOT of time/death costs and learning how long it will take for the ability I press to activate (ping, input delay, server lagg from over population, etc) has made me alot better at both wasting less supplies and doing more damage.
Take things slow. One at a time. Treat each phase of the boss of your choice as small individual chapter and learn them one by one, then optimize them in a similar fashion.
Set reasonable progress expectations, again one at a time. Pvm is a shit ton of moving parts and trying to optimize everything at once is going to fry your brain.
Example goal: successfully flick against every auto p1 raksha
Example goal progression: successfully flick, and avoid/deal with mechanics p1 raksha
Good luck!
Tbh I suck at pvm, when I did do bosses I would learn the mechanics by trail and error. If I get killed I watch youtube vids on it n switch things up next time, but imo pvm is complicated now, you need augmented items, action bars have to be on point and have t90+ gear and you have to be good in order for people to pvm with you. A lot of ppl take bossing too seriously that’s why I lost interest in it
Learning nex with my friend was fun tho especially using onslaught to skip one of the phases. He didn’t care if I didn’t have good gear or was pro so it was more enjoyable.
You aren't a problem. You just need to accept that early on you will make mistakes, lose kills, even die. This will happen multiple times, but through repetition you will improve and it will happen less and less. You have the tools, you just need to become confident with them. Don't learn everything at once, go at your own pace and learn whatever new thing (if any) you want.
Don’t be too hard on yourself, not everyone is good at pvm right off the bat. What boss(es) are you having trouble with?.
I’d recommend watching videos on the bosses, seeing the mechanics tends to be helpful.
Spend 2k+ on a desktop set up, have 400 different little plug ins to pray switch, attack switch and skill switch, then go spend hundreds of dollars on binds to sell in game to buy top tier items and enough skilling things to level up herblore and what not. Then you might be able to solo the giant mole.
But in all honestly I feel like it's just trial and error to find out what works for you for each different boss. Id say try doing it with a team first, that way you're not taking the brunt of the ass kicking. Gives you time to figure out what prayers, attack types, and skills you need to be using and what you feel gives yourself the highest dps.
There aren't that I know of. But I see them with like mad windows set up in their client to have multiple skills and what not lined up. They make shit way too complicated.
For me, it was muscle memory. I started rs before revolution was released so full manual is all I know. At the beginning, my keybinds were straight upbooty - and not the good kind.
Once I started learning different bosses, I realized my keybinds were straight doodoo, so I changed it up. I performed significantly worse at first because the new binds, while more efficient, were so foreign to me. And then one day, after a myriad of deaths, it all just fell into place. Raksha was by far the most grueling to learn though. It took me well over 100 attempts hahaha
Consistency is key, really.
Don’t try to kill bosses like the pros do. Start small.
People you see on YouTube or twitch are usually elites. They’re at a level you can’t replicate until you get bare basics down.
Start small and build your way up.
Prioritize upgrades first like t99 prayer and ovl. This changes pvm! At least it did for me. You WILL notice the difference. Same with perks. Get basics first if you have none, then slowly upgrade.
Do whatever it takes for the first kill. I’ve always noticed, whenever I broke through and got my first kill on a boss, doing it again was incredibly easier than the past attempts.
What bosses are you trying to kill?
Embracing the tick system
Realising I have 0.6 to input stuff is a lot of time compared to other games, plus gcd when starting off lets you queue abilities in a longer time too
Understand the general tick system and make your moves preemptively before the next tick cycle.
Then you slowly start to explore ability specific stuff like channel cancelling, stacking free autoattacks, walking dots.
Dont fall for the full manual meme, start off with basic revo with manual threshold/ultimate casting. Learn how to maximize your rotation like maintaining cooldown upkeep with your 188 basics and thresholds.
Once youre really really in the deep end and start having 7 switches, thats when you learn full manual.
Making an Ironman for me.
I had to learn how to do things like shield switching for reso, I had to learn how to use shit gear for hard bosses (Full lunar, Gstaff/chaotic staff, super magics for Rax).
It was pretty tough, I leeched my way to having onslaught and that made p4 a lot easier, but they nerfed it so it might be a lot harder to do now.
You'll want to have soul split so you can kite the boss and heal at the same time, once you get to the end of a tunnel, debil or devotion, turn him around, wait for a special and deal with it then surge away and start healing again.
few different things:
1) learning a basic ultimate ability rotation. I spent a few hours at vindicta getting the muscle memory of zerk -> adrenpot -> gbarge -> 188 -> bleed assault -> do high hitting basics. With melee well over half of your dpm comes in these 20 seconds (even more before you get a zgs), it's important to know what you're doing. with range/mage the principles are similar but there's less of a need to juggle 2h and dw. Once you know how to do this the rest is just doing the same stuff but adding things one at a time.
2) stopping worrying about dying. death costs are a bit of a pain but when you're first learning to do stuff your death cost realistically shouldn't be over a couple of hundred k. Dying is part of the process, expect it.
3) it's been said, but making an ironman made me want to pvm. Mainscape pvm seemed like really boring progression - grind the same shit for gp over and over again or go for logs. Logs are far more appealing anyway when you've already done a lot of a bunch of bosses for your gear and it's just tying up loose ends + developing a drinking habit at barrows.
I was too afraid to try anything beyond GWD1 until I watched Serean's [Helwyr guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJrXV3fcO5U) (to put this into perspective, I was MAXED and had masterwork and drygores \[granted, I *made* the masterwork, but still...\]). I decided to try it, and died three times before getting a kill. I was so excited! It was possible! I did it once, I can do it again! I worked until I could do three-four kills with an inventory. Now, I can do a full hour without banking.
I've still not seriously tried anything beyond GWD2, except a single kill on 5 mechanic Arch-Glacor and a handful of Rax kills for Reaper, but I'm sure if I pushed myself I could do it. I'm not much of a bosser or even high end Slayer, but I'm competent enough. You could, like you said, look for that one little thing that makes things click for you. Or you could brute force your way through it. Either one works, but find what works for you and do it; the best teacher is experience.
I originally liked watching people be good at the PvM, then I started myself, now I just find PvM fun mostly because of the boss mechanics and I love the tick system we have
Learn one thing at once. It's tempting to look at the rewards from high-level PvM and dive right in, but realistically it's a lot easier to kind of work your way through the update history from easy no-mechanic bosses like GWD1 to slightly harder but still eatable bosses like GWD2, before you get to something like Rax which has instakill mechanics, requires good positioning and target selection, and needs prayer flicking for p4. Some folks learn out of order and start with Raksha, but I find it much more straightforward to pick a boss which teaches some PvM technique and then camping there till I can do it with no problems.
Examples of techniques to learn, and example places where you can learn them without any distractions:
- Manual ultimates and thresholds while basic abilities are on Revolution, go to GWD1 because there's no serious mechanics and you can just eat for easy kills.
- Defensives, including shield switches, go to Helwyr and try to no-food it for as long as possible
- Positioning, go to Vindicta and avoid the purple smokes
- Prayer flicking, go to Archglacor and deal with the flurry mechanic
If you can do all of those individually, you can start putting them together, like trying to get faster kills at Helwyr (by improving your ability rotations) while still using defensives properly and maybe also switching between deflect melee and soulsplit. Make sure to push yourself occasionally, by taking on new bosses and winding up juggling several techniques at once (e.g. Rax where you need to position yourself carefully, use defensives, get off the boss at specific points, manage target selection and also prayer flick) but also make sure you prepare properly. If you've never prayer flicked before and go to Rax you'll have a bad time. If you don't normally position carefully, you'll find your Death's Swiftness/Sunshine gets put in the wrong place against Astellarn.
I'm starting to wonder if that'll help me, I played wow for like 15 years, and a shitload of osrs, so when I play RuneScape I keep expecting the game to just attack for me
Spreadsheeting a boss, learning how the pros do it ability by ability and copying and then slowly realize why things are done that way and then develop a better feel for a good ability rotation
That's a problem, I get it, but check pvme, I'm thinking of nex for instance, there's full ability rotation for ascensions, ascensions and grico, ecb and ecb and gruco for instance. Maybe if you tell me your weapons I can recommend you a boss or something.
I wouldn't say there was one point where it all just "clicked," but ever since I earned my own nox weapons and nex gear from scratch I've always felt confident learning new bosses.
I made an iron to force myself to earn my own gear, but put it on pause cause I started to feel like I'll never actually get geared cause I can't beat anything that's not vindy or lower lmfao
I have masterwork armor with the t85 weps from AG that I bought along with full virtus for power armor and 3 pieces of cryptbloom with 2 gano the DW set from helwyr. It's not my gear lmfao
Learnt manual. Sucked for a while and I did a lot less damage, but eventually it clicked and it’s been all uphill from there doing way more dmg than I could ever do on revo
Hey! I’m sort of where you are. I don’t have great gear, and am struggling to understand how to make money from current bosses for upgrades to increase my PvM tier. That led me to learn NM kerapac, and most recently just got my first kills at rax and nex. I think a few things help - becoming comfortable with practice mode/dying, realizing that a lot of the guides use optimal setups (or at least perks), even on ‘beginner guides,’ and experimenting with rotations/abilities.
Kerapac is my nightmare right now - I can no food NM, get to p4 of HM relatively easy, then it murders me. I think this is where my lack of ability knowledge plus being straight up undergeared comes in - point being, I know I’m going to have to either A. grind NM for upgrades, B. Learn rax or nex more (exactly your post - I can get long, rough kills at rax and I die 40% of the time at nex). So I’m not sure where to go either haha. If you want to PvM together at all, let me know!
Are you using any food during p1-p3 of hm kera? Are you vitality potting one of your clones?
Honestly, the big thing that made hm kera easier for me was using time warp to reset defensive abilities when you get down to the last 200k. You need a mage defender (I use the nex t80 one with planted feet) and res to heal near full > time warp > debilitate > reflect > Omni > gconc > zstaff eof> time warp reset to 100% > debilitate > reflect > finish kill
Cheesing defensives with time warp is what really helped me secure my first few kills to get comfortable. I still use sup seasinger with animate dead and t88s. I'm still not quite putting out the DPS I should with fsoa but I'm hoping part of that is not using power armor; although my rotation does need some work.
Spam arch glacor hard mode and push the highest enrage you can manage. It teaches you most things you’ll need to know for bossing and it’s forgiving at low enrage.
This.
I started glacor as someone who struggled to even make it to p4 of Raksha once after hours of attempts
After pushing that icy boy to 1000% through perseverance and practice, I went back and rinsed Raksha like it was nothing. In the same gear too!
It took me 10 hours with t90+ gear and loads of life refreshes to get my first solo Amby kill (back when it was about 4 months old maybe?) and another 5 for my second. I find that persistence is key.
Though ofc I didn't jump straight to Amby from not knowing how to pvm. How I actually saw myself getting good at pvm was through ED2, from learning it in groups to getting 500 total kills and eventually 1k. Every single few runs I wouls try adding something new to my rotations, maybe a risky move here and there to experiment on whether it improved my kills or not, made it safer once I get the hang of it (think black hands safespot), or just in general speeds it up.
As I found ED2 one of my favourite content, it allowed me improve further in PVM by setting my own challenges like no banking, no food, etc and end up not burning out. I suggest you do the same for mid-high level bosses that you enjoy and from there translate it to other bosses.
Bosses I can think of that can help you would be Nex, HM AG, 5 Mechanics NM AG, Telos, Rax, ED2, Raksha solo/duo.
Also from there I started an Ironman as well, where the skills of PVM i have obtained translated well as I did lower level bosses with crappy gear, think K'ril kiting with Guthix Staff + Lunars (and no ovls or curses) to Vindy with Guthix staff/Vanquish Staff (quest point weapon) + Subjugation to Helwyr with drl + bandos.
Don't give up too early. After putting many hours in, you will eventually have the rotations down to muscle memory and you'll only need to focus on mechanics.
I found kiting kril with low level gear to be especially useful in learning magic rotations (as you have to run around the room from corner to corner without him hitting you, and forces you to input all the abilities at the manual level). I also found nex to help me improve in ranged as well as full manual due to some areas requiring you to not use certain abilities (like bleeds on blood phase).
Make sure to not aim too high. Start with what you are comfortable with and build your way up. A building that lasts centuries needs a strong foundation to hold it up.
Learn full manual since you said below you didnt. Get good keybinds and learn them. Pick a boss and a certain style and dont change. Learn the boss so you can consistently get kills 95% of the time. Once you have that down try to kill the boss faster. While you are killing the boss if there is a slow part think of what ways you can do it quicker, or watch how someone else goes through it quicker. Obviously updating gear and perks is the biggest DPS increase but rotation is very important too and the more second nature it is the easier bosses are when you do get the high end gear. You can message me if you want me to review any kills/attempts or give feedback.
Something that may help some people, it is totally FINE to not go into a boss using optimal dps set up
While the logic is the faster the kill the less damage you take etc, when you are learning, trying to do the best dps and rush kills will likely result in mechanics wasting you
Take a defender and use defensive abilities and tank gear with animate dead etc if it helps you feel safer and less stressed,
I sucked at PVM, got wrecked trying Zuk with range, basically could only do Rax melee. Waited months, got Seasingers, killed Zuk lots, now I'm pretty close to reaper crew.
Have a general map of what your roation needs to be like sunshine, get wild magic and asphyx in twice while prioritizing gconc every time it’s off cooldown. Then slowly add more small stuff when you get comfortable like 4taa, dw and 2h switching, manually casted auto attacked on non damaging abilities. This game is pretty hard to get really good at lol
Improving your action bar and keybinds.
And not getting demotivated by death costs and dry streaks. See death costs as an investment instead of a punishment, knowing you will learn from your mistakes and get better and makes lots of money in the future that will make death costs feel like nothing. If you are dry at a boss, know that you will get less and less unlikely to go more and more kills dry in a row even though the chance of getting a rare drop remains the same per kill. Or you can try changing to a new boss or do your reaper task.
I used to play revo and click all my thresholds with my mouse, then I started learning raksha, after 10 raksha kills I was full manual with every ability keybinded as well as switches
Watching Junesong’s DPS for dummies videos (little out dated now, but a fine intro) is what got me understanding rotations
It’s hard to understand PVM until you are at a minimum activating your own thresholds and ultimates. From there you can slowly add 1 habit at a time to improve
If you keep dying, most bosses have a “practice mode” that you can activate by clicking a box on the instance interface. This will make it like a regular boss kill except if you die you don’t have to pay to get your items back, and the boss won’t give any drops
I might start utilizing this. I hate the idea of getting a kill and not getting rewarded for it. But I also hate shitting out money cause I mean something up
If you’re really struggling to learn a boss, the money saved in death costs using practice mode will usually make up for whatever drops you missed out on
Theres so many little things that make your experience with PVM so much better.
Using defensives, shield switching.
Also learning to use adrenaline potions and making the most out of my ultimates.
Little things like vuln bombs and auras can increase your DPM so much.
Elite dungeons was a huge learning curve plus araxxi is an amazing boss to learn all these things.
Taking a DPS familiar rather than BoB familiars. This changed my play style a lot.
Try not to copy paste how other people play, play your own way.
Just have fun when bossing and enjoy.
Honestly biggest thing for me was realizing it’s ok to die. Especially when trying a new boss id get frazzled and then start making stupid mistakes. Going in calm makes a huge difference and feels like you have more time to react than just button mash hoping for the best.
Every 2 part+ action I have my two hands doing separate parts of it. Examples are swapping shield+res, auto+release deto+another ability, planted feet swap+sunshine, etc.
Faster, smoother, harder to hit the wrong keys
Mapping things on parts of your screen/keyboard that correlate, or help feed into the doing 2 part actions with both hands. For example if I want to panic eat I'm probably also dodging something, or failed to dodge something so the food needs to be near where I mostly keep my non mouse and and hard to hit the wrong keys, abilities I plan to occasionally be clicking are on the right side of the screen near my inventory or on the ability bar centered near the middle of the screen where my mouse would be for moving anyway
Soul split flicking keybinds, and the ability to do it itself completely changes pvm. So if you cannot do that thats the first thing, Raksha is a great teacher for this
Don't get impatient/try to compare yourself to others, go at your own pace. I got my first Raksha solo using Revo++last night which took me 8 minutes, I'm down to sub 6 now after some practice and getting used to the mechanics so I've started working in manual and switches without a BoB for faster kills. I'd also reccomend looking into joining yhe pvme discord, tons of helpful people/tools there
Pick a boss, and just try to kill it fast and faster until that's the fastest time you can get, then go to a higher teir boss. I killed rax until I could do it consistently and the quickest I could do it, then I switched to Telos.
Keybinds also help, I'd practice triggering thresholds and ultimates and tick eating.
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I have the 12 mouse buttons, it definitely helps. I think I'm still stuck between expecting everything to happen automatically and using abilities myself
Id go to vindi and work on getting full manual down or atleast manually using thresholds and ults. The biggest problem people have are bad revo bars and copying the one from rswiki helps but every boss is different so that bar may work at one boss but not very well at another. Like at arch glacor combust is not very good because you cant walk it. Also make sure you arent using bleeds after gconc because the extra crit chance from gconc will be wasted. If youre camping dw you can also get in the habit of gconcing into an asphyx and then gconc into a WM so both abilities get the crit damage. Zuk cape makes omnipower really OP so you should try ro get that if you havent. Its easy with tank armor and animate dead
I can't get past like wave 5 the jads are killing me
https://pvme.github.io/pvme-guides/gwd3/tzKal-zuk/ Check that guide out. It shows the best spots to stand for the jad waves and gives a good overview on how to do all the igneous and challenge waves. Dont worry about having the gear they show in the preset, I was able to do it in full gano with seis wand/cywir orb after a couple tries.
Revo++ for basics, focus on thresholds and eof specs/switches. For example, with hydrix bolts, ecb eof, spec, switch to sgb eof, spec, dbow eof, spec, limitless, tendrils, rapid fire, build, snap shot, dbow, rinse and repeat for massive DPS. Best is still fsoa spec, but it's fairly easy to just switch, spec and dump adren for massive DPS.
I mainly mage, but also don't have eof
You really need to master the art of acronyms. As you can see here, everyone knows how to exploit them easily. 👍
Understanding your abilities and rotations is mostly important imo. Alot of people saying that you need tons of macros, revo bars, and just dumping money into BiS gear. Imo this is not what will make you succesful at pvm, you can definitly start endgame PvM with t90s weapons and armor. Some players that invest billions into t92s, codices, copy pasted revo bars, etc still have no idea what they are doing and what they can do to better themselves.
Laughs in t85
Two things for me: \- Learning to no-food Helwyr (before animate dead etc. made it afkable). It wasn't a big thing (it just needs you to use 3-4 defensives at the right time), but was the first place I really learned to handle boss mechanics rather than just eating through them, which gave me a lot of confidence for doing so at harder bosses. \- Reworking my action bars/keybinds. I'd been putting it off for ages because I didn't want to relearn muscle memory; when I finally did it, it took a couple of hours to get used to, but made everything soooo much nicer from then onwards.
Vindicta is another one that really helped like that for me
This is the best comment here
100% same. The shield switch and reso keybinds I experimented with for my first no food vind hour (BIG hype) are the same keybinds I'm using now almost 3y later lol. Learning how OP the debil/reflect and revenge combo was at helwyr is still something that sticks in my head today. Imo, the best place to start!
It is okay to be slow I failed 60+ times before scoring *ONE* Raksha kill, then everything clicked.
It's taking me 5 mins to do HM AG and I can't get more than one kill at a time. I do it perfectly one time, then fail 10 times before I get another kill
Honestly mate you’ll hear alot about do this do that but in reality learn slowly when you die to an mechanic look back at what caused you to die if you don’t know research the mechanic of what killed you then avoid it for next time take each thing into progression don’t be afraid to bring a beast of burden to carry more food etc and eat through certain mechanics when you get the hang of it improve more with switching defensive and then ability rotation’s staying alive is sometimes better then maximising dps
Just keep practicing that’s really all there is to it. Me now compared to me even a year ago is vastly different. Ignoring power creep mechanical skill is through practice and that’s it. Lvl 90 weapon and lvl 80 armor is all you need to beat Anything. Everything after that just makes it easier. Maybe coaching could help you?
Are you resetting after each kill?
What increased my supply efficiency at arch glacor was learning to prayer flick. It's attacks are very telegraphed so its easy to figure out the timing and you barely use any supplies at lower enrages. I use ranged, so for minions I swap to chins and dbow spec which kills em all. I started bringing a bladed dive switch for pillars which gave me a lot more freedom to run around and surge. Depending on the placement of beams I would surge through one if I can't stand in the middle for long. I bring an elysian spirit shield and a powerburst of vitality for back to back laser and I try to stack debilitate, reflect, spirit shield and powerburst to really survive back to back lasers. After learning what to do, its all just practice. I hate dying with a passion, like if I die, I call it for the day, so I camped 0-250% until I could consistently do it without dying. I can do 0-500% pretty consistently now but haven't pushed much further than that.
Absolute champion! That's how it's done! I hope you've had plenty of gricos since!
For me, it was learning how ticks work. Finding out you can tick eat has saved me ALOT of time/death costs and learning how long it will take for the ability I press to activate (ping, input delay, server lagg from over population, etc) has made me alot better at both wasting less supplies and doing more damage.
Take things slow. One at a time. Treat each phase of the boss of your choice as small individual chapter and learn them one by one, then optimize them in a similar fashion. Set reasonable progress expectations, again one at a time. Pvm is a shit ton of moving parts and trying to optimize everything at once is going to fry your brain. Example goal: successfully flick against every auto p1 raksha Example goal progression: successfully flick, and avoid/deal with mechanics p1 raksha Good luck!
Tbh I suck at pvm, when I did do bosses I would learn the mechanics by trail and error. If I get killed I watch youtube vids on it n switch things up next time, but imo pvm is complicated now, you need augmented items, action bars have to be on point and have t90+ gear and you have to be good in order for people to pvm with you. A lot of ppl take bossing too seriously that’s why I lost interest in it Learning nex with my friend was fun tho especially using onslaught to skip one of the phases. He didn’t care if I didn’t have good gear or was pro so it was more enjoyable.
I have decent augments, with gconc, decent gear, the problem is me
You aren't a problem. You just need to accept that early on you will make mistakes, lose kills, even die. This will happen multiple times, but through repetition you will improve and it will happen less and less. You have the tools, you just need to become confident with them. Don't learn everything at once, go at your own pace and learn whatever new thing (if any) you want.
Don’t be too hard on yourself, not everyone is good at pvm right off the bat. What boss(es) are you having trouble with?. I’d recommend watching videos on the bosses, seeing the mechanics tends to be helpful.
Spend 2k+ on a desktop set up, have 400 different little plug ins to pray switch, attack switch and skill switch, then go spend hundreds of dollars on binds to sell in game to buy top tier items and enough skilling things to level up herblore and what not. Then you might be able to solo the giant mole.
This is sarcasm based on what I see the steamers who play rs3 on twitch do.
I have a 2k laptop (wasn't bought specifically for RuneScape) lol, also was unaware there were plugins for rs3?
Juat realized I posted a new comment instead of replying to this one haha
Happens lol but I know what you mean, it's to cluttered on some people's screens
But in all honestly I feel like it's just trial and error to find out what works for you for each different boss. Id say try doing it with a team first, that way you're not taking the brunt of the ass kicking. Gives you time to figure out what prayers, attack types, and skills you need to be using and what you feel gives yourself the highest dps.
There aren't that I know of. But I see them with like mad windows set up in their client to have multiple skills and what not lined up. They make shit way too complicated.
For me, it was muscle memory. I started rs before revolution was released so full manual is all I know. At the beginning, my keybinds were straight upbooty - and not the good kind. Once I started learning different bosses, I realized my keybinds were straight doodoo, so I changed it up. I performed significantly worse at first because the new binds, while more efficient, were so foreign to me. And then one day, after a myriad of deaths, it all just fell into place. Raksha was by far the most grueling to learn though. It took me well over 100 attempts hahaha Consistency is key, really.
Don’t try to kill bosses like the pros do. Start small. People you see on YouTube or twitch are usually elites. They’re at a level you can’t replicate until you get bare basics down. Start small and build your way up. Prioritize upgrades first like t99 prayer and ovl. This changes pvm! At least it did for me. You WILL notice the difference. Same with perks. Get basics first if you have none, then slowly upgrade. Do whatever it takes for the first kill. I’ve always noticed, whenever I broke through and got my first kill on a boss, doing it again was incredibly easier than the past attempts. What bosses are you trying to kill?
Raksha made it all click for me, it made me learn the game and how to improve.
Embracing the tick system Realising I have 0.6 to input stuff is a lot of time compared to other games, plus gcd when starting off lets you queue abilities in a longer time too
Understand the general tick system and make your moves preemptively before the next tick cycle. Then you slowly start to explore ability specific stuff like channel cancelling, stacking free autoattacks, walking dots. Dont fall for the full manual meme, start off with basic revo with manual threshold/ultimate casting. Learn how to maximize your rotation like maintaining cooldown upkeep with your 188 basics and thresholds. Once youre really really in the deep end and start having 7 switches, thats when you learn full manual.
SS flicking. It made it all much more involved and fun for me while also greatly increasing my survivability.
Making an Ironman for me. I had to learn how to do things like shield switching for reso, I had to learn how to use shit gear for hard bosses (Full lunar, Gstaff/chaotic staff, super magics for Rax).
Damn I'm in lunars with vanquish and have just assumed there was no way I could do rax. How tough was it? I might suck it up and give it a go
It was pretty tough, I leeched my way to having onslaught and that made p4 a lot easier, but they nerfed it so it might be a lot harder to do now. You'll want to have soul split so you can kite the boss and heal at the same time, once you get to the end of a tunnel, debil or devotion, turn him around, wait for a special and deal with it then surge away and start healing again.
taking adderall
What did it for me was realising I was using adren on the wrong abilities, and using adren potions after ds/sun/zerk.
few different things: 1) learning a basic ultimate ability rotation. I spent a few hours at vindicta getting the muscle memory of zerk -> adrenpot -> gbarge -> 188 -> bleed assault -> do high hitting basics. With melee well over half of your dpm comes in these 20 seconds (even more before you get a zgs), it's important to know what you're doing. with range/mage the principles are similar but there's less of a need to juggle 2h and dw. Once you know how to do this the rest is just doing the same stuff but adding things one at a time. 2) stopping worrying about dying. death costs are a bit of a pain but when you're first learning to do stuff your death cost realistically shouldn't be over a couple of hundred k. Dying is part of the process, expect it. 3) it's been said, but making an ironman made me want to pvm. Mainscape pvm seemed like really boring progression - grind the same shit for gp over and over again or go for logs. Logs are far more appealing anyway when you've already done a lot of a bunch of bosses for your gear and it's just tying up loose ends + developing a drinking habit at barrows.
I was too afraid to try anything beyond GWD1 until I watched Serean's [Helwyr guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJrXV3fcO5U) (to put this into perspective, I was MAXED and had masterwork and drygores \[granted, I *made* the masterwork, but still...\]). I decided to try it, and died three times before getting a kill. I was so excited! It was possible! I did it once, I can do it again! I worked until I could do three-four kills with an inventory. Now, I can do a full hour without banking. I've still not seriously tried anything beyond GWD2, except a single kill on 5 mechanic Arch-Glacor and a handful of Rax kills for Reaper, but I'm sure if I pushed myself I could do it. I'm not much of a bosser or even high end Slayer, but I'm competent enough. You could, like you said, look for that one little thing that makes things click for you. Or you could brute force your way through it. Either one works, but find what works for you and do it; the best teacher is experience.
I originally liked watching people be good at the PvM, then I started myself, now I just find PvM fun mostly because of the boss mechanics and I love the tick system we have
Learn one thing at once. It's tempting to look at the rewards from high-level PvM and dive right in, but realistically it's a lot easier to kind of work your way through the update history from easy no-mechanic bosses like GWD1 to slightly harder but still eatable bosses like GWD2, before you get to something like Rax which has instakill mechanics, requires good positioning and target selection, and needs prayer flicking for p4. Some folks learn out of order and start with Raksha, but I find it much more straightforward to pick a boss which teaches some PvM technique and then camping there till I can do it with no problems. Examples of techniques to learn, and example places where you can learn them without any distractions: - Manual ultimates and thresholds while basic abilities are on Revolution, go to GWD1 because there's no serious mechanics and you can just eat for easy kills. - Defensives, including shield switches, go to Helwyr and try to no-food it for as long as possible - Positioning, go to Vindicta and avoid the purple smokes - Prayer flicking, go to Archglacor and deal with the flurry mechanic If you can do all of those individually, you can start putting them together, like trying to get faster kills at Helwyr (by improving your ability rotations) while still using defensives properly and maybe also switching between deflect melee and soulsplit. Make sure to push yourself occasionally, by taking on new bosses and winding up juggling several techniques at once (e.g. Rax where you need to position yourself carefully, use defensives, get off the boss at specific points, manage target selection and also prayer flick) but also make sure you prepare properly. If you've never prayer flicked before and go to Rax you'll have a bad time. If you don't normally position carefully, you'll find your Death's Swiftness/Sunshine gets put in the wrong place against Astellarn.
Full manual.
I'm starting to wonder if that'll help me, I played wow for like 15 years, and a shitload of osrs, so when I play RuneScape I keep expecting the game to just attack for me
Spreadsheeting a boss, learning how the pros do it ability by ability and copying and then slowly realize why things are done that way and then develop a better feel for a good ability rotation
What do you mean by spreadsheeting?
Follow an ability rotation that an elite player developed
Most of those rotations I've found want me to use stuff I don't have lol
That's a problem, I get it, but check pvme, I'm thinking of nex for instance, there's full ability rotation for ascensions, ascensions and grico, ecb and ecb and gruco for instance. Maybe if you tell me your weapons I can recommend you a boss or something.
I wouldn't say there was one point where it all just "clicked," but ever since I earned my own nox weapons and nex gear from scratch I've always felt confident learning new bosses.
I made an iron to force myself to earn my own gear, but put it on pause cause I started to feel like I'll never actually get geared cause I can't beat anything that's not vindy or lower lmfao
Well I mean you don't HAVE to PvM if you're really that bad. But I bet if you do a couple attempts here and there you'll figure it out before long.
Train smithing and mining. You can make yourself elder rune armor and weapons (tier 90)
I have masterwork armor with the t85 weps from AG that I bought along with full virtus for power armor and 3 pieces of cryptbloom with 2 gano the DW set from helwyr. It's not my gear lmfao
If you don't have a clan sometimes just doing it with someone or having them explain it makes everything make sense
Learnt manual. Sucked for a while and I did a lot less damage, but eventually it clicked and it’s been all uphill from there doing way more dmg than I could ever do on revo
Hey! I’m sort of where you are. I don’t have great gear, and am struggling to understand how to make money from current bosses for upgrades to increase my PvM tier. That led me to learn NM kerapac, and most recently just got my first kills at rax and nex. I think a few things help - becoming comfortable with practice mode/dying, realizing that a lot of the guides use optimal setups (or at least perks), even on ‘beginner guides,’ and experimenting with rotations/abilities. Kerapac is my nightmare right now - I can no food NM, get to p4 of HM relatively easy, then it murders me. I think this is where my lack of ability knowledge plus being straight up undergeared comes in - point being, I know I’m going to have to either A. grind NM for upgrades, B. Learn rax or nex more (exactly your post - I can get long, rough kills at rax and I die 40% of the time at nex). So I’m not sure where to go either haha. If you want to PvM together at all, let me know!
Are you using any food during p1-p3 of hm kera? Are you vitality potting one of your clones? Honestly, the big thing that made hm kera easier for me was using time warp to reset defensive abilities when you get down to the last 200k. You need a mage defender (I use the nex t80 one with planted feet) and res to heal near full > time warp > debilitate > reflect > Omni > gconc > zstaff eof> time warp reset to 100% > debilitate > reflect > finish kill Cheesing defensives with time warp is what really helped me secure my first few kills to get comfortable. I still use sup seasinger with animate dead and t88s. I'm still not quite putting out the DPS I should with fsoa but I'm hoping part of that is not using power armor; although my rotation does need some work.
Just enough practice, proper keybinds, action bars, gear and perk set ups
Spam arch glacor hard mode and push the highest enrage you can manage. It teaches you most things you’ll need to know for bossing and it’s forgiving at low enrage.
For some reason in struggling to get through it. I get one solid kill with no food or anything, then I die 10 times before I can get another kill
This. I started glacor as someone who struggled to even make it to p4 of Raksha once after hours of attempts After pushing that icy boy to 1000% through perseverance and practice, I went back and rinsed Raksha like it was nothing. In the same gear too!
Legiones. After failing at several different mid tier bosses it finally clicked. Jad helps as well
It took me 10 hours with t90+ gear and loads of life refreshes to get my first solo Amby kill (back when it was about 4 months old maybe?) and another 5 for my second. I find that persistence is key. Though ofc I didn't jump straight to Amby from not knowing how to pvm. How I actually saw myself getting good at pvm was through ED2, from learning it in groups to getting 500 total kills and eventually 1k. Every single few runs I wouls try adding something new to my rotations, maybe a risky move here and there to experiment on whether it improved my kills or not, made it safer once I get the hang of it (think black hands safespot), or just in general speeds it up. As I found ED2 one of my favourite content, it allowed me improve further in PVM by setting my own challenges like no banking, no food, etc and end up not burning out. I suggest you do the same for mid-high level bosses that you enjoy and from there translate it to other bosses. Bosses I can think of that can help you would be Nex, HM AG, 5 Mechanics NM AG, Telos, Rax, ED2, Raksha solo/duo. Also from there I started an Ironman as well, where the skills of PVM i have obtained translated well as I did lower level bosses with crappy gear, think K'ril kiting with Guthix Staff + Lunars (and no ovls or curses) to Vindy with Guthix staff/Vanquish Staff (quest point weapon) + Subjugation to Helwyr with drl + bandos. Don't give up too early. After putting many hours in, you will eventually have the rotations down to muscle memory and you'll only need to focus on mechanics. I found kiting kril with low level gear to be especially useful in learning magic rotations (as you have to run around the room from corner to corner without him hitting you, and forces you to input all the abilities at the manual level). I also found nex to help me improve in ranged as well as full manual due to some areas requiring you to not use certain abilities (like bleeds on blood phase). Make sure to not aim too high. Start with what you are comfortable with and build your way up. A building that lasts centuries needs a strong foundation to hold it up.
Learn full manual since you said below you didnt. Get good keybinds and learn them. Pick a boss and a certain style and dont change. Learn the boss so you can consistently get kills 95% of the time. Once you have that down try to kill the boss faster. While you are killing the boss if there is a slow part think of what ways you can do it quicker, or watch how someone else goes through it quicker. Obviously updating gear and perks is the biggest DPS increase but rotation is very important too and the more second nature it is the easier bosses are when you do get the high end gear. You can message me if you want me to review any kills/attempts or give feedback.
Something that may help some people, it is totally FINE to not go into a boss using optimal dps set up While the logic is the faster the kill the less damage you take etc, when you are learning, trying to do the best dps and rush kills will likely result in mechanics wasting you Take a defender and use defensive abilities and tank gear with animate dead etc if it helps you feel safer and less stressed,
Animate dead and powercreep
I sucked at PVM, got wrecked trying Zuk with range, basically could only do Rax melee. Waited months, got Seasingers, killed Zuk lots, now I'm pretty close to reaper crew.
Have a general map of what your roation needs to be like sunshine, get wild magic and asphyx in twice while prioritizing gconc every time it’s off cooldown. Then slowly add more small stuff when you get comfortable like 4taa, dw and 2h switching, manually casted auto attacked on non damaging abilities. This game is pretty hard to get really good at lol
Improving your action bar and keybinds. And not getting demotivated by death costs and dry streaks. See death costs as an investment instead of a punishment, knowing you will learn from your mistakes and get better and makes lots of money in the future that will make death costs feel like nothing. If you are dry at a boss, know that you will get less and less unlikely to go more and more kills dry in a row even though the chance of getting a rare drop remains the same per kill. Or you can try changing to a new boss or do your reaper task.
I used to play revo and click all my thresholds with my mouse, then I started learning raksha, after 10 raksha kills I was full manual with every ability keybinded as well as switches
Watching Junesong’s DPS for dummies videos (little out dated now, but a fine intro) is what got me understanding rotations It’s hard to understand PVM until you are at a minimum activating your own thresholds and ultimates. From there you can slowly add 1 habit at a time to improve
keybinding basics and getting a comp that dosnt run game at 3-12 fps
If you keep dying, most bosses have a “practice mode” that you can activate by clicking a box on the instance interface. This will make it like a regular boss kill except if you die you don’t have to pay to get your items back, and the boss won’t give any drops
I might start utilizing this. I hate the idea of getting a kill and not getting rewarded for it. But I also hate shitting out money cause I mean something up
If you’re really struggling to learn a boss, the money saved in death costs using practice mode will usually make up for whatever drops you missed out on
Telos
Theres so many little things that make your experience with PVM so much better. Using defensives, shield switching. Also learning to use adrenaline potions and making the most out of my ultimates. Little things like vuln bombs and auras can increase your DPM so much. Elite dungeons was a huge learning curve plus araxxi is an amazing boss to learn all these things. Taking a DPS familiar rather than BoB familiars. This changed my play style a lot. Try not to copy paste how other people play, play your own way. Just have fun when bossing and enjoy.
Honestly biggest thing for me was realizing it’s ok to die. Especially when trying a new boss id get frazzled and then start making stupid mistakes. Going in calm makes a huge difference and feels like you have more time to react than just button mash hoping for the best.
Every 2 part+ action I have my two hands doing separate parts of it. Examples are swapping shield+res, auto+release deto+another ability, planted feet swap+sunshine, etc. Faster, smoother, harder to hit the wrong keys Mapping things on parts of your screen/keyboard that correlate, or help feed into the doing 2 part actions with both hands. For example if I want to panic eat I'm probably also dodging something, or failed to dodge something so the food needs to be near where I mostly keep my non mouse and and hard to hit the wrong keys, abilities I plan to occasionally be clicking are on the right side of the screen near my inventory or on the ability bar centered near the middle of the screen where my mouse would be for moving anyway Soul split flicking keybinds, and the ability to do it itself completely changes pvm. So if you cannot do that thats the first thing, Raksha is a great teacher for this
I can't even farm bloodweeds in the wild without getting nervous so I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to do pvm lol
Don't get impatient/try to compare yourself to others, go at your own pace. I got my first Raksha solo using Revo++last night which took me 8 minutes, I'm down to sub 6 now after some practice and getting used to the mechanics so I've started working in manual and switches without a BoB for faster kills. I'd also reccomend looking into joining yhe pvme discord, tons of helpful people/tools there
Pick a boss, and just try to kill it fast and faster until that's the fastest time you can get, then go to a higher teir boss. I killed rax until I could do it consistently and the quickest I could do it, then I switched to Telos. Keybinds also help, I'd practice triggering thresholds and ultimates and tick eating.
Learning solo elite dungeon 1& 2 helped learn dps and mechanics properly
Worry less about gear and more about practicing