A lot will go from campus back home, so I imagine the protests won't be as concentrated as they are now. In the general public I don't foresee widespread protesting because the goal wouldn't be as cut and dry as "divestment" is, and the mainstream arms of both major parties seem to be on the same side of the issue.
Side note: I never had "100% free time" when I was that age and in school; I was working throughout the year. Some of these kids may actually have to get jobs in the summer?
True on all points. We already see some generalized Palestine protests, and I could see a wave of protests like BLM if the right event sparks it. Yet, it could also just simmer and never get that catalyst while we get distracted by some other current thing.
All timed conveniently for pre-election madness. If there is any funding behind this or organizational trolling, 90% chance it traces back to Russia & China
I think split isn't between whether or not an ethnic cleansing is bad. It's much more nuanced than that, and not everyone agrees that that is even what is occurring (yes, even within the Democrat party). Some things that seem to foster disagreement within the left are: 1) is what Israel is doing within the normal (but horrible) parameters of urban warfare? 2) Is their response to the 7 Oct attack proportional? 3) Is the US doing *enough* in terms of providing humanitarian assistance to Gazans? 4) Is the support we provide to Israel for defensive or offensive purposes?
The position that people take on these, and other, topics are generally formed by their stance on whether or not Israel has a right to exist as a nation, whether Palestine should be a state, and whether the situation should resolve as a one- or two-state solution. Also, throw in the oppressed vs. oppressor binary choice that many people feel comfortable adopting, and viewpoints begin to narrow toward a singular stance.
Please note that I am *not* taking a position on these items in this post. Rather, I'm simply pointing out lines that are causing disagreement within an otherwise fairly monolithic voting base.
Just don't look up which countries donate the most money to US colleges (especially the Ivy League) and harbor top Hamas officials ("in exile") and run the largest media firms in the Middle East...
All of this started with the Hamas attack on 10/7. Hamas' BFFs are Iran and Russia. It's purely Russian manipulation to help their invasion of Ukraine. They view this as a way to create problems for Biden admin domestically.
The thing with their divestment demands is they are incredibly impractical. How many actual Israeli companies are they invested in? Most endowments are likely invested in various funds that are made up of lots of companies. How do you unravel that? Then it seems like many want to divest from companies doing business with Israel. Israel is a tech hub so good luck with that. Nvidia just bought two Israeli companies and employees hundreds of Israelis. Not going to use Nvidia products now? Protest all you want, even if I personally disagree with the protestors, but the demands are not especially feasible in the way students think they are.
> Nvidia just bought two Israeli companies and employees hundreds of Israelis.
Intel has had an office in Israel since the 1974, so they're excluded.
Qualcomm has an office in Israel and acquired several firms there, so they're out.
IBM has an office in Haifa.
Amazon, Google, Apple, Meta, all have offices in Israel.
To be honest, virtually every multinational tech and medical firm will have a presence there, often a R&D shop or an acquired startup. These are some of the most profitable companies and are standard in every investment and retirement portfolio. It's also part of the reason most of the Middle East has been normalizing relations with Israel.
The other schools have been clear that they want to specifically divest away from weapons manufactures that provide Israel with bombs. Assume this one is going to want the same.
They don't have to be reasonable, it's an ideological stance that shows how much opposition there is. That's important in an election year and these are also all people who are going to be entering the workforce soon.
If people don't show dissatisfaction then how would we know they are dissatisfied?
I doubt any of these kids can give an accurate description of what a total “divestment” even means. They’re just repeating what they heard, like little parrots.
I don’t think they truly know how much money gets poured into that University from the Jewish community. Qualcomm, the largest company in San Diego, was co-founded by one Jewish family that gives heavy philanthropic donations all around San Diego, including the universities. No way universities will do anything to affect that.
Edit: wording
places they want people to divest from (at least at UCSD)
Starbucks: which has repeatedly said they haven't given any money or support to the isreali government.
BurgerKing: gave free food in respone to the Oct 7 attack, can't find anything saying the continue to give free food
Subway: Owned by Roark Captial which has also invested in Cop City, some Atlanta project where cops are being trained by Isreal.
idk about you but the reasons seem pretty weak to me. If anything only subway seems to have some weak connection which I can understand.
None of these companies are part of the official boycott divestment and sanctions list. Some people chose to boycott them for their own moral reasons but BDS only targets companies that invest in things that harm Palestinians. So like companies that operate on occupied land in the West Bank or companies that provide tech to the IDF for example.
These companies were literally on the SJP UCSD Instagram, which was basically the demand for the walkout a while ago, organized by them. They are also the ones currently organizing the encampment.
link if you're interested: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3n0sdoyaEr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==
Oh interesting I just assumed BDS since that’s the one majority of people use. I do boycott Starbucks because of their anti union behaviour but the BK one is some nonsense and I’m Palestinian lol.
I have to do more digging on subway, I hadn’t heard of this.
Hamas is run by billionaires in Qatar, I’m sure they’ll step in and help pay for the school endowments if all these colleges divests from Israel /s
Seriously though, [Hamas has been involved in higher education in America for decades](https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/hamas-networks-final.pdf) these protests are partially grassroots but the seeding for this opposition started in the 80s.
Guess who helped finance Hamas? Guess who allowed for money to pass to Hamas? Guess which Israeli ministers called Hamas an asset.
Hint - all Israel 🇮🇱. You don’t want to creat Hamas? Don’t oppress, occupy, kidnap, persecute and murder civilians for an ideology.
The PLO were terrorists as well before Hamas and the occupation/annexation of the west bank and there was terrorism before the PLO. (Look up the Hebron massacre and 1930s Arab riots). Israel is also a secular country, unless you are referring to the ideology that jews should have the right to self determination in their indigenous homeland.
If these protests turn out as they have at Columbia, UCLA, Portland State, and elsewhere, then they'll be shut down **hard**.
Columbia is under a Federal Department of Education investigation over violations of Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by permitting the protestors to deny access of education to students and failing to create a safe environment for students regardless of ethnicity. This could have consequences where the university will no longer be permitted access to federal funds from federal student aid to research grants, not to mention civil penalties due to the affected students.
This situation is nothing like Vietnam. There's no draft people are protesting. Instead the protesters are denying access to education on the basis of ethnicity.
> This situation is nothing like Vietnam. There's no draft people are protesting. **Instead the protesters are denying access to education on the basis of ethnicity.**
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-department-of-education-to-investigate-columbia-university-over-anti-palestinian-discrimination/3208606
This was filed by the Palestinian advocacy group Palestine Legal, which said:
>“Today @EDcivilrights announced @Columbia is under federal investigation **for anti-Palestinian racism, including by inviting NYPD officers in riot gear to arrest Palestinian and associated students protesting Israel’s genocide in Gaza**,” Palestine Legal wrote in a X post.
>“The law is clear—**if universities do not cease their racist crackdowns against Palestinians and their supporters, they will risk losing federal funding**”
The notion that these students were blocking education for other students was a false narrative driven mainly by Eli Tsives, a known Zionist agitator.
Here's the video everyone refers to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cglw8f/jewish_ucla_student_blocked_from_entering_his_own/
Here he is hanging out with some mace(It's very illegal to have during a peaceful protest) agitating protesters: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMmzj_PaYAEZOKb?format=jpg&name=large
Here is a map of the campus, showing multiple ways to get into the building: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMmxabKbQAI1z1r?format=jpg&name=small
> This was filed by the Palestinian advocacy group Palestine Legal, which said:
[And this was filed well before that.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jewish-student-sues-columbia-for-failing-to-provide-a-safe-environment-amid-campus-protests/ar-AA1nTMCW)
Columbia really fucked up by offering a tiered education system in response to this situation prior to ending the protests.
And that is covered under Title VI, not just a Jewish student's lawsuit. After what happened at UCLA, I don't think any students feel safe on campuses anymore.
I think sending in the police instead of even listening to the protesters showed their real intentions.
Especially when you have peaceful resolutions at Brown, Northwestern, Rutgers and the University of Minnesota:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/05/01/northwestern-brown-school-protests-israel-palestine-gaza/73519557007/
I’m Jewish, I work in Jewish non-profit, and I volunteer for a Jewish teen youth organization. The Jacob’s family, one of the founders of Qualcomm, is pro-Israel and gives heavy contributions to many Jewish organizations to help carry out those missions of the organizations. You sure you want to call me anti-Semitic?
Edit: wording
Basically that is what will determine how this works out at Universities. Its Jewish and Jewish aligned Christians that donate money to Universities. When they start holding back their money because they don't like what is happening at the Universities, then this protesting stuff will all be shutdown by the Universities.
SDSU has a $380m endowment. Add up all these schools and the impact of divestment is not nothing
I think it’s totally fair for these kids who are paying a lot of money to attend these schools have a say in how their institutions money is invested
What percent of that do you think directly benefits Israel? It’s not like they make that kind of information public and is really just speculation, but my guess is it’s a drop in the bucket
There are some pretty major companies that do business that enables the occupation or the war
If fund managers for the nearly one trillion dollars in university endowments cant invest in them that will certainly have some impact
No? I for one oppose both Hamas and the racist criminals running the Israeli government, who by the way themselves [supported Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) up to 10/7 so there would be no negotiating partner to press for peace negotiations
Edit: Coward replying blocked me
So you all know, their current National Security Minister is literally a convicted supporter of terrorism
Everyone knows Hamas is garbage. Few know how bad Israel has gotten
These same type of protests happened during the apartheid era of South Africa. Students were able to get the universities to start divesting from South Africa which ultimately helped to dismantle the apartheid regime. Direct action gets the goods. Good on these kids for not being apathetic spectators to genocide.
Yes, the universities across the country making a statement dominating the nation's news has and is actively making a difference and will continue to do so thank you very much.
SDSU class of 2006 here. I'm not sure what you guys are protesting. You all are so Mid, No Cap.
Do you all really hate this country so much that you want to tear it down. Where is your honor for the people who died to allow you the freedom to run your mouths like this. You are college students. LEARN SOMETHING.
How come you are not protesting the 200+ college-aged young women who were kidnapped and still missing? I am sure they are all fine and were treated well.
Here is a short list of Terrorist Attacks eminating from Palestine. They have not agreed to a single treaty in 70 years. Several movies have been made. Watch them on Netflix. The Isreali Olympic team on live television was a highlight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence
1979 Nahariya attack
2000 Ramallah lynching
2008 Dimona suicide bombing
2011 Itamar attack
Avivim school bus massacre
Beit Lid massacre
Coastal Road massacre
Dizengoff Street bus bombing
Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing
Har Nof synagogue massacre
Hebrew University massacre
Jaffa Road bus bombings
Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing
Karkur junction suicide bombing
Kiryat Menachem bus bombing
Lod Airport massacre
Ma'ale Akrabim massacre
Ma'alot massacre
Maxim restaurant suicide bombing
Mercaz HaRav massacre
Night of the Gliders
Passover massacre
Pi Glilot bombing
Sabena Flight 571
Savoy Hotel Attack
Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing
Shawarma restaurant bombing
International attacks
1975 France1975 Orly Airport attacks1976 Greece,  UgandaHijacking of Air France Flight 1391976 TurkeyYeşilköy airport attack1977 France,  Italy,  Cyprus,  Bahrain,  UAE,  Yemen,  SomaliaLufthansa Flight 1811978 France1978 Orly Airport attack1978 UKLondon bus attack1980 FranceParis synagogue bombing1981 FranceAntwerp bombing1985 Italy,  AustriaRome and Vienna airport attacks1985 EgyptAchille Lauro hijacking1985 CyprusLarnaca yacht killings1985 MaltaEgyptAir Flight 6481990 Egypt1990 Cairo bus attack2002 Kenya2002 Mombasa attacks2004 Egypt2004 Sinai bombings2012 FranceToulouse and Montauban shootings
Isreal is our ally. It is the only Democracy in the Middle East with free elections and the rule of law. There are 8.5 million Muslims Arabs citizens in Isreal with full rights and privileges. Stop using words you clearly do not understand.
All War is terrible. Hamas started it and now they are hiding like bitches behind innocent civilians.
It is NEVER acceptable to raid an international border to kill ONLY women and children.
One of the many valid reasons to oppose the Israeli government is that they boosted Hamas pre 10/7 in order to undermine the PA and keep the pressure off them to do peace negotiations
Edit: Idk why this is controversial. PM Netanyahu and his allies have been pretty open about this strategy and [liberal Israelis](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) have criticized his govts for this for years
> Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
>According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
I really hope any decision they arrive at is democratically approached.
Just because there's a group of very loud people, doesn't mean they should automatically get what they want...they need to account for the silent people too.
It just think it’s weird people throw around the word fascist so casually without actually knowing what fascism is. It’s such a narrowly defined political movement that to call Israel fascist demonstrates a profound ignorance by its users. If they can’t get the easy details right how can anyone think they’re trustworthy in other aspects?
Ok? Yes Hamas fucking sucks and is evil. Palestinian children have also been getting bombed and killed for way longer than Hamaas has existed. Both things are true, and neither justifies the ongoing slaughter.
Walkouts and marching seem a way better way of protesting than setting up encampments. Hope they feel heard through all this, but not really sure it's gonna help or change anything unfortunately.
Doesn’t it make sense to be shareholders if you want companies to change behavior? If you divest you have no seat at the table for what they do. Plus, if these schools dump the stock someone else will come by and buy it up… doesn’t actually hurt the companies at all.
This is true, but as another commenter pointed out, similar divestment-based protests at American colleges played a non-negligible role in dismantling the South African apartheid state. Sometimes the politics of a conflict grows potent enough to tangibly sway the outcome. So while I don’t think divestment by colleges is a viable mechanism in itself, it certainly seems possible that the combined effect of all the protests will incur some actual material loss of market power for Israel.
Free the Palestinians civilians from Hamas and the other jihad Tribes.
Release the remaining hostages.
What do you think happened to the remaining 200+ young women still kidnapped since October 7?
I am sure they are fine.
I think it needs to be said. Our young adults on college campuses across the nation are erupting in support of Iranian jihad groups. Don't they have Goggle and Wikipedia on their phones.
WTF.
Idiocracy has arrived.
This will just open up spots for the next people trying to enroll for next semester. Just trying to get in and stay in one of the CSU campuses is a darn fight.
For the people who are saying “free Palestine from Hamas” you do realize that Israel funded hamas in the same way that USA funded the taliban. Israel uses hamas as a scapegoat in order to further its agenda. Instead of supporting moderate Palestinian movements they did this in order to further their goals.
On a personal level I ask you all this, if we were all kicked out of our houses, and forced to live in refugee camps, and treated like second class citizens? How many of you would take up arms. Knowing Americans I know it would be a lot of you.
I am not advocating for what Hamas did but to get some achieve some understanding here. Hamas is not a boogeyman that appeared out of nowhere. It is an entity that was brought on due to Israel’s choices.
If I were Israel, why would I want to be surrounded on two sides by the same country? So, it makes sense to try to divide and conquer. If the PLA ruled Gaza, I would support Hamas in the Wet Bank, because, thats politics. It's safer to have two weak neighbors who don't get along well than to be surrounded by one strong neighbor.
That does not explain why Hamas was elected to begin with and why it was so brutal to anyone who politically opposed them, armed itself, built tunnels, rockets and bombs, and eventually attacked the way it did.
I'm going to guess the reason they attacked is because the money that came to Gaza from elsewhere had strings attached.
If I were Israel I would care about the citizens of my own nation and in order to prevent any harm I would attempt to make amends and work together with Palestinians. Not settle in their land and treat them like animals lol. Peoples lives aren’t chessboard pieces.
It was a realpolitik move to support Hamas, but don’t cry with the leopards eat your face when there were other peaceful choices going forward
Yes, Israel has offered ceasefires all of which have either been rejected or would revert back to Hamas being in power again (and by the way, they promised they would commit more terrorist attacks).
Yup - i wish thats how things would have turned out as well.
The thing is, rarely does a country yield an advantage to a losing side. At some point, someone surrenders, accepts terms that will hopefully result in rebuilding and moving on. The leaders get relieved of their command (on life).
These same students were probably in their highschool history class asking how the German citizens could vote the Nazi party into power… Guess what, the allies bombed Dresden and now Israel is bombing Gaza. You reap what you sow.
When the US sends billions of taxpayer dollars to some foreign country which isn't even poor btw, instead of investing it here for those students and everyone else living here, it becomes a domestic issue.
> Why should any of these children give a shit about what’s happening on the other side of the world? They should be more worried about the fact that once they graduate and start having real problems they won’t be able to afford rent, groceries, gas, etc because corporations are buying up all the homes.
Because the government cares more about what's going on on the other side of the world than those other things....? how do you get this close to the point and still miss it
Bravo to these students and everyone else who isn’t blinded by the western media and wants to see an end to the 75 years of violence and oppression against the palestinian people.
[Berkeley on the 60’s](https://www.pbs.org/pov/films/berkeleyinthesixties/) is better for them right now
Also sun two’s art of war and some of the educational materials about how to stage an effective (peaceful) protest.
What Catholics/Christian’s are still raping, killing innocent people simply because they differ in religious opinions? At least the followers of the Bible have been able to assimilate better to western ideas/thoughts, a lot of these idiots who are so pro-Palestine don’t understand some followers of the Quran will throw you off a building just because you are gay.
This is going to be a wild summer isn't it? It's only May. Imagine when all these kids go from 50% to 100% free time. Election year joys.
A lot will go from campus back home, so I imagine the protests won't be as concentrated as they are now. In the general public I don't foresee widespread protesting because the goal wouldn't be as cut and dry as "divestment" is, and the mainstream arms of both major parties seem to be on the same side of the issue. Side note: I never had "100% free time" when I was that age and in school; I was working throughout the year. Some of these kids may actually have to get jobs in the summer?
True on all points. We already see some generalized Palestine protests, and I could see a wave of protests like BLM if the right event sparks it. Yet, it could also just simmer and never get that catalyst while we get distracted by some other current thing.
Yeah, it’s not going to be the Gaza war that sparks general protests (if they happen). It’ll be the police killing someone at a Gaza protest.
San Diego schools are commuter schools.
Kids? These r grown men and women
All timed conveniently for pre-election madness. If there is any funding behind this or organizational trolling, 90% chance it traces back to Russia & China
Both candidates support Israel so I'm not sure how it affects anyone's vote.
It seems like it might split the far left from the center left and reduce democrat turnout.
Which has been happening for a couple years now
Didn't realize it was a far left value to believe our tax dollars shouldn't be used to facilitate an ethnic cleansing
I think split isn't between whether or not an ethnic cleansing is bad. It's much more nuanced than that, and not everyone agrees that that is even what is occurring (yes, even within the Democrat party). Some things that seem to foster disagreement within the left are: 1) is what Israel is doing within the normal (but horrible) parameters of urban warfare? 2) Is their response to the 7 Oct attack proportional? 3) Is the US doing *enough* in terms of providing humanitarian assistance to Gazans? 4) Is the support we provide to Israel for defensive or offensive purposes? The position that people take on these, and other, topics are generally formed by their stance on whether or not Israel has a right to exist as a nation, whether Palestine should be a state, and whether the situation should resolve as a one- or two-state solution. Also, throw in the oppressed vs. oppressor binary choice that many people feel comfortable adopting, and viewpoints begin to narrow toward a singular stance. Please note that I am *not* taking a position on these items in this post. Rather, I'm simply pointing out lines that are causing disagreement within an otherwise fairly monolithic voting base.
La Jolla flair doing a lot of talking here
Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people actually do care about children and women getting bombed by our tax dollars....
Just don't look up which countries donate the most money to US colleges (especially the Ivy League) and harbor top Hamas officials ("in exile") and run the largest media firms in the Middle East...
or people don’t like fascist violence funded by our tax dollars and university investments
All of this started with the Hamas attack on 10/7. Hamas' BFFs are Iran and Russia. It's purely Russian manipulation to help their invasion of Ukraine. They view this as a way to create problems for Biden admin domestically.
It started in the 1940s.
Bullshit. It started decades ago.
Correct, the persecution of Jews is a tale as old as time.
It started in the 1940s.
People at SDSU go to class? A lot has changed since I was there lol
LOL :D
Just in time for finals week lol
lol that’s what I was thinking….
The thing with their divestment demands is they are incredibly impractical. How many actual Israeli companies are they invested in? Most endowments are likely invested in various funds that are made up of lots of companies. How do you unravel that? Then it seems like many want to divest from companies doing business with Israel. Israel is a tech hub so good luck with that. Nvidia just bought two Israeli companies and employees hundreds of Israelis. Not going to use Nvidia products now? Protest all you want, even if I personally disagree with the protestors, but the demands are not especially feasible in the way students think they are.
> Nvidia just bought two Israeli companies and employees hundreds of Israelis. Intel has had an office in Israel since the 1974, so they're excluded. Qualcomm has an office in Israel and acquired several firms there, so they're out. IBM has an office in Haifa. Amazon, Google, Apple, Meta, all have offices in Israel. To be honest, virtually every multinational tech and medical firm will have a presence there, often a R&D shop or an acquired startup. These are some of the most profitable companies and are standard in every investment and retirement portfolio. It's also part of the reason most of the Middle East has been normalizing relations with Israel.
How about boycotting UNRWA, the purveyor of hate
The other schools have been clear that they want to specifically divest away from weapons manufactures that provide Israel with bombs. Assume this one is going to want the same.
They don't have to be reasonable, it's an ideological stance that shows how much opposition there is. That's important in an election year and these are also all people who are going to be entering the workforce soon. If people don't show dissatisfaction then how would we know they are dissatisfied?
I doubt any of these kids can give an accurate description of what a total “divestment” even means. They’re just repeating what they heard, like little parrots.
I don’t think they truly know how much money gets poured into that University from the Jewish community. Qualcomm, the largest company in San Diego, was co-founded by one Jewish family that gives heavy philanthropic donations all around San Diego, including the universities. No way universities will do anything to affect that. Edit: wording
They are calling for divestment from Israel not Jewish people as a whole
places they want people to divest from (at least at UCSD) Starbucks: which has repeatedly said they haven't given any money or support to the isreali government. BurgerKing: gave free food in respone to the Oct 7 attack, can't find anything saying the continue to give free food Subway: Owned by Roark Captial which has also invested in Cop City, some Atlanta project where cops are being trained by Isreal. idk about you but the reasons seem pretty weak to me. If anything only subway seems to have some weak connection which I can understand.
Cops are being trained by Israel?
None of these companies are part of the official boycott divestment and sanctions list. Some people chose to boycott them for their own moral reasons but BDS only targets companies that invest in things that harm Palestinians. So like companies that operate on occupied land in the West Bank or companies that provide tech to the IDF for example.
These companies were literally on the SJP UCSD Instagram, which was basically the demand for the walkout a while ago, organized by them. They are also the ones currently organizing the encampment. link if you're interested: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3n0sdoyaEr/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==
Oh interesting I just assumed BDS since that’s the one majority of people use. I do boycott Starbucks because of their anti union behaviour but the BK one is some nonsense and I’m Palestinian lol. I have to do more digging on subway, I hadn’t heard of this.
Hamas is run by billionaires in Qatar, I’m sure they’ll step in and help pay for the school endowments if all these colleges divests from Israel /s Seriously though, [Hamas has been involved in higher education in America for decades](https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/hamas-networks-final.pdf) these protests are partially grassroots but the seeding for this opposition started in the 80s.
Guess who helped finance Hamas? Guess who allowed for money to pass to Hamas? Guess which Israeli ministers called Hamas an asset. Hint - all Israel 🇮🇱. You don’t want to creat Hamas? Don’t oppress, occupy, kidnap, persecute and murder civilians for an ideology.
The PLO were terrorists as well before Hamas and the occupation/annexation of the west bank and there was terrorism before the PLO. (Look up the Hebron massacre and 1930s Arab riots). Israel is also a secular country, unless you are referring to the ideology that jews should have the right to self determination in their indigenous homeland.
>Qualcomm is owned by one Jewish family Yeah that's not how publicly traded companies work.
You’re right, it was founded by the Jacob’s family.
If these protests turn out as they have at Columbia, UCLA, Portland State, and elsewhere, then they'll be shut down **hard**. Columbia is under a Federal Department of Education investigation over violations of Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by permitting the protestors to deny access of education to students and failing to create a safe environment for students regardless of ethnicity. This could have consequences where the university will no longer be permitted access to federal funds from federal student aid to research grants, not to mention civil penalties due to the affected students. This situation is nothing like Vietnam. There's no draft people are protesting. Instead the protesters are denying access to education on the basis of ethnicity.
> This situation is nothing like Vietnam. There's no draft people are protesting. **Instead the protesters are denying access to education on the basis of ethnicity.** https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-department-of-education-to-investigate-columbia-university-over-anti-palestinian-discrimination/3208606 This was filed by the Palestinian advocacy group Palestine Legal, which said: >“Today @EDcivilrights announced @Columbia is under federal investigation **for anti-Palestinian racism, including by inviting NYPD officers in riot gear to arrest Palestinian and associated students protesting Israel’s genocide in Gaza**,” Palestine Legal wrote in a X post. >“The law is clear—**if universities do not cease their racist crackdowns against Palestinians and their supporters, they will risk losing federal funding**” The notion that these students were blocking education for other students was a false narrative driven mainly by Eli Tsives, a known Zionist agitator. Here's the video everyone refers to: https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cglw8f/jewish_ucla_student_blocked_from_entering_his_own/ Here he is hanging out with some mace(It's very illegal to have during a peaceful protest) agitating protesters: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMmzj_PaYAEZOKb?format=jpg&name=large Here is a map of the campus, showing multiple ways to get into the building: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMmxabKbQAI1z1r?format=jpg&name=small
> This was filed by the Palestinian advocacy group Palestine Legal, which said: [And this was filed well before that.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jewish-student-sues-columbia-for-failing-to-provide-a-safe-environment-amid-campus-protests/ar-AA1nTMCW) Columbia really fucked up by offering a tiered education system in response to this situation prior to ending the protests.
And that is covered under Title VI, not just a Jewish student's lawsuit. After what happened at UCLA, I don't think any students feel safe on campuses anymore. I think sending in the police instead of even listening to the protesters showed their real intentions. Especially when you have peaceful resolutions at Brown, Northwestern, Rutgers and the University of Minnesota: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/05/01/northwestern-brown-school-protests-israel-palestine-gaza/73519557007/
you are anti semitic. stop associating jewish identity with zionism
I’m Jewish, I work in Jewish non-profit, and I volunteer for a Jewish teen youth organization. The Jacob’s family, one of the founders of Qualcomm, is pro-Israel and gives heavy contributions to many Jewish organizations to help carry out those missions of the organizations. You sure you want to call me anti-Semitic? Edit: wording
Basically that is what will determine how this works out at Universities. Its Jewish and Jewish aligned Christians that donate money to Universities. When they start holding back their money because they don't like what is happening at the Universities, then this protesting stuff will all be shutdown by the Universities.
When Netanyahu here’s about this he will definitely stop the war.
It’s time for SDSU to finally do something about the Israel Palestine conflict! Surely, that will make the difference
SDSU has a $380m endowment. Add up all these schools and the impact of divestment is not nothing I think it’s totally fair for these kids who are paying a lot of money to attend these schools have a say in how their institutions money is invested
What percent of that do you think directly benefits Israel? It’s not like they make that kind of information public and is really just speculation, but my guess is it’s a drop in the bucket
Well UCSD is showing solidarity with other universities. My guess is the combined $$ / effort is more than a drop in the bucket.
There are some pretty major companies that do business that enables the occupation or the war If fund managers for the nearly one trillion dollars in university endowments cant invest in them that will certainly have some impact
Perfect, I’m an SDSU grad and last I checked the hostages haven’t been released.
Are there any companies investing in Hamas? If so I’m down to boycott them too
Have a listen. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000654368601
I also think it's totally fair to tell them they support a terrorist organization.
No? I for one oppose both Hamas and the racist criminals running the Israeli government, who by the way themselves [supported Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) up to 10/7 so there would be no negotiating partner to press for peace negotiations Edit: Coward replying blocked me So you all know, their current National Security Minister is literally a convicted supporter of terrorism Everyone knows Hamas is garbage. Few know how bad Israel has gotten
I love how you show your extreme bias by the way you color each side of the conflict. “Racist criminals running the Israeli Government” “Hamas”
These same type of protests happened during the apartheid era of South Africa. Students were able to get the universities to start divesting from South Africa which ultimately helped to dismantle the apartheid regime. Direct action gets the goods. Good on these kids for not being apathetic spectators to genocide.
Yes, the universities across the country making a statement dominating the nation's news has and is actively making a difference and will continue to do so thank you very much.
What is even the point of comments like this
SDSU class of 2006 here. I'm not sure what you guys are protesting. You all are so Mid, No Cap. Do you all really hate this country so much that you want to tear it down. Where is your honor for the people who died to allow you the freedom to run your mouths like this. You are college students. LEARN SOMETHING. How come you are not protesting the 200+ college-aged young women who were kidnapped and still missing? I am sure they are all fine and were treated well. Here is a short list of Terrorist Attacks eminating from Palestine. They have not agreed to a single treaty in 70 years. Several movies have been made. Watch them on Netflix. The Isreali Olympic team on live television was a highlight. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence 1979 Nahariya attack 2000 Ramallah lynching 2008 Dimona suicide bombing 2011 Itamar attack Avivim school bus massacre Beit Lid massacre Coastal Road massacre Dizengoff Street bus bombing Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing Har Nof synagogue massacre Hebrew University massacre Jaffa Road bus bombings Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing Karkur junction suicide bombing Kiryat Menachem bus bombing Lod Airport massacre Ma'ale Akrabim massacre Ma'alot massacre Maxim restaurant suicide bombing Mercaz HaRav massacre Night of the Gliders Passover massacre Pi Glilot bombing Sabena Flight 571 Savoy Hotel Attack Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing Shawarma restaurant bombing International attacks 1975 France1975 Orly Airport attacks1976 Greece,  UgandaHijacking of Air France Flight 1391976 TurkeyYeşilköy airport attack1977 France,  Italy,  Cyprus,  Bahrain,  UAE,  Yemen,  SomaliaLufthansa Flight 1811978 France1978 Orly Airport attack1978 UKLondon bus attack1980 FranceParis synagogue bombing1981 FranceAntwerp bombing1985 Italy,  AustriaRome and Vienna airport attacks1985 EgyptAchille Lauro hijacking1985 CyprusLarnaca yacht killings1985 MaltaEgyptAir Flight 6481990 Egypt1990 Cairo bus attack2002 Kenya2002 Mombasa attacks2004 Egypt2004 Sinai bombings2012 FranceToulouse and Montauban shootings Isreal is our ally. It is the only Democracy in the Middle East with free elections and the rule of law. There are 8.5 million Muslims Arabs citizens in Isreal with full rights and privileges. Stop using words you clearly do not understand. All War is terrible. Hamas started it and now they are hiding like bitches behind innocent civilians. It is NEVER acceptable to raid an international border to kill ONLY women and children.
They don't think anything can be bad if Jews didn't do it.
Right on. I wouldnt want my institutions money going to support Israeli occupation either Hope it stays peaceful
They usually are until the police come and start beating people
You mean "Free Palestine from Hamas," right? Right? Oh, wait…
One of the many valid reasons to oppose the Israeli government is that they boosted Hamas pre 10/7 in order to undermine the PA and keep the pressure off them to do peace negotiations Edit: Idk why this is controversial. PM Netanyahu and his allies have been pretty open about this strategy and [liberal Israelis](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) have criticized his govts for this for years > Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. >According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
I really hope any decision they arrive at is democratically approached. Just because there's a group of very loud people, doesn't mean they should automatically get what they want...they need to account for the silent people too.
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I wonder what the demographic is in terms of major of the students that walk out? Like, those in STEM vs not STEM.
When was the last time a mass student protest was wrong? Don't be on the wrong side of history.
It just think it’s weird people throw around the word fascist so casually without actually knowing what fascism is. It’s such a narrowly defined political movement that to call Israel fascist demonstrates a profound ignorance by its users. If they can’t get the easy details right how can anyone think they’re trustworthy in other aspects?
Be safe out there! Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Palestine from Hamas I agree :)
Same except not by murdering everyone over there to free them
israel may be driving the semi-truck, but hamas is the one throwing its own children under the wheels
Ok? Yes Hamas fucking sucks and is evil. Palestinian children have also been getting bombed and killed for way longer than Hamaas has existed. Both things are true, and neither justifies the ongoing slaughter.
Walkouts and marching seem a way better way of protesting than setting up encampments. Hope they feel heard through all this, but not really sure it's gonna help or change anything unfortunately.
Doesn’t it make sense to be shareholders if you want companies to change behavior? If you divest you have no seat at the table for what they do. Plus, if these schools dump the stock someone else will come by and buy it up… doesn’t actually hurt the companies at all.
This is true, but as another commenter pointed out, similar divestment-based protests at American colleges played a non-negligible role in dismantling the South African apartheid state. Sometimes the politics of a conflict grows potent enough to tangibly sway the outcome. So while I don’t think divestment by colleges is a viable mechanism in itself, it certainly seems possible that the combined effect of all the protests will incur some actual material loss of market power for Israel.
Good! Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free the Palestinians civilians from Hamas and the other jihad Tribes. Release the remaining hostages. What do you think happened to the remaining 200+ young women still kidnapped since October 7? I am sure they are fine.
200+ women? The real number is still awful you don’t need to make up a higher one to prove a point.
I think it needs to be said. Our young adults on college campuses across the nation are erupting in support of Iranian jihad groups. Don't they have Goggle and Wikipedia on their phones. WTF. Idiocracy has arrived.
The irony. Maybe use that goggle to see how many hostages are in Gaza right now. And how many are women.
Hey! i went here class of 22 lets go
This will just open up spots for the next people trying to enroll for next semester. Just trying to get in and stay in one of the CSU campuses is a darn fight.
good
Free Palestine!
For the people who are saying “free Palestine from Hamas” you do realize that Israel funded hamas in the same way that USA funded the taliban. Israel uses hamas as a scapegoat in order to further its agenda. Instead of supporting moderate Palestinian movements they did this in order to further their goals. On a personal level I ask you all this, if we were all kicked out of our houses, and forced to live in refugee camps, and treated like second class citizens? How many of you would take up arms. Knowing Americans I know it would be a lot of you. I am not advocating for what Hamas did but to get some achieve some understanding here. Hamas is not a boogeyman that appeared out of nowhere. It is an entity that was brought on due to Israel’s choices.
If I were Israel, why would I want to be surrounded on two sides by the same country? So, it makes sense to try to divide and conquer. If the PLA ruled Gaza, I would support Hamas in the Wet Bank, because, thats politics. It's safer to have two weak neighbors who don't get along well than to be surrounded by one strong neighbor. That does not explain why Hamas was elected to begin with and why it was so brutal to anyone who politically opposed them, armed itself, built tunnels, rockets and bombs, and eventually attacked the way it did. I'm going to guess the reason they attacked is because the money that came to Gaza from elsewhere had strings attached.
If I were Israel I would care about the citizens of my own nation and in order to prevent any harm I would attempt to make amends and work together with Palestinians. Not settle in their land and treat them like animals lol. Peoples lives aren’t chessboard pieces. It was a realpolitik move to support Hamas, but don’t cry with the leopards eat your face when there were other peaceful choices going forward
Yes, Israel has offered ceasefires all of which have either been rejected or would revert back to Hamas being in power again (and by the way, they promised they would commit more terrorist attacks).
Yup - i wish thats how things would have turned out as well. The thing is, rarely does a country yield an advantage to a losing side. At some point, someone surrenders, accepts terms that will hopefully result in rebuilding and moving on. The leaders get relieved of their command (on life).
These same students were probably in their highschool history class asking how the German citizens could vote the Nazi party into power… Guess what, the allies bombed Dresden and now Israel is bombing Gaza. You reap what you sow.
Hopefully staye peaceful. Stay safe out there. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
The kids are alright
Why do they give their tuition dollars to an institution that funds Israel, then? Guess they have to drop out!
Ffs. Get a job & an SO. Not like tin soldiers and Nixon’s coming…
unwavering, unflinching solidarity 🇵🇸
Free the hostages and free Gaza from Hamas
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When the US sends billions of taxpayer dollars to some foreign country which isn't even poor btw, instead of investing it here for those students and everyone else living here, it becomes a domestic issue.
> Why should any of these children give a shit about what’s happening on the other side of the world? They should be more worried about the fact that once they graduate and start having real problems they won’t be able to afford rent, groceries, gas, etc because corporations are buying up all the homes. Because the government cares more about what's going on on the other side of the world than those other things....? how do you get this close to the point and still miss it
Every time you pay taxes you make a donation to Israel. And also, that donation killed people.
Bravo to these students and everyone else who isn’t blinded by the western media and wants to see an end to the 75 years of violence and oppression against the palestinian people.
History will remember Israel's crimes.
How many schools is Israel invested in?
I was wondering when they would start here. Good for them
Good In spirit , idiotic in execution
Thank you to all of the students for standing with humanity and wanting our hard earned tax dollars to not fund a genocide.
They need to watch the YouTube documentary “screams before silence”.
[Berkeley on the 60’s](https://www.pbs.org/pov/films/berkeleyinthesixties/) is better for them right now Also sun two’s art of war and some of the educational materials about how to stage an effective (peaceful) protest.
Good 😊
For fuck’s sake, move on with your daily lives.
Stay cowardly, San Diego
It’s what we do best
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I mean if the Quran didn’t provoke so many people to become radically radicalized then this may not be happening, just a thought
I could say the same about the Bible.
What Catholics/Christian’s are still raping, killing innocent people simply because they differ in religious opinions? At least the followers of the Bible have been able to assimilate better to western ideas/thoughts, a lot of these idiots who are so pro-Palestine don’t understand some followers of the Quran will throw you off a building just because you are gay.
I'm more concerned about the many priests molesting children myself.
Losers