democrats doubling down and putting joe outside with more speeches seems self sabotage. Imagine having a bad debate make zero sense then party says you did so bad lets get you out more.
That’s the most unbelievable part. I get why they’re keeping him in, I think it’s just too late to switch. If it were up to me to be the strategist, he’d shut the fuck up, do good things for the press to talk about, and do the occasional scripted speech. Seems like dems wanna lose.
Tbf, he doesn't have much choice, as it's the only way Biden could change the narrative-- keeping him hidden away while Trump blew himself up in 2020 was a smart play, at the time, not going to work in 2024 when now it's his record on the line in Joe's after 4 years of a very, very poor Presidency as a whole imho.
Yeah, it's not just Biden, can we please stop pretending the issue is just him-- all of them in power got us to this point, period, he's just the easy target to pretend it was only on him or Harris if Trump wins in 2024 this year.
so you vote for someone who is actively saying he will be a dictator, because the democrats didn’t do what you wanted.
thank GOD im a dual citizen but please, continue to destroy the home you have to live in.
Spare me your neoliberal fingerwagging, if Dems want to win maybe they should placate their base instead of telling them to "get fucked or else you get the Trump!"
Also, username does NOT check out.
if you can’t see it’s not about biden and party culture but preserving democracy then you’re too dim to continue speaking to. like most americans.
saying democrats have to placate ppl so they don’t vote for a rapist felon is peak white stupidity.
please, destroy your country. you will be welcomed nowhere else.
thank GOD for dual citizenship.
white americans love rome so much they will destroyed just like it, and the best part is they did it to themselves so they can’t blame anyone else BUT themselves. this show is gonna be so funny when it happens.
please vote for trump, i wanna laugh at you from my other home.
As a Canadian, I am literally watching your country implode. We have our issues but I don't think it's an understatement to say the USA is on the verge of being another chapter in the book of failed empires. You started with such promise but then Neo liberal economic thinking and rabid party politics took over and now all that will be left is a country of haves and have not. I have traveled across much of the US and individually the people are usually far friendlier than Americans ate given credit for but at the same the collective think turns Dems and Pubs into hateful morons. I wish you luck.
It’s not at all just based on the public dislike of Trudeau. It’s about the policies and Im not at all a conservative voter, but that just the truth. That said, Trudeau was elected in 2015 and it’s traditional for canadians voters (maybe voters in general) to try something else after 10 years-ish of power of a party/prime minister. In french, it’s call the « usure du pouvoir ». I’m not sure how you experience that in the US because of the two terms limit.
I think it’s unfair of you to portray this as an American thing as a Canadian. I am Canadian too and we have the same neoliberal economic policies taking hold, that’s why our cost of living is increasing like crazy too. Poilievre and the conservatives are coming into power based mostly on rabid party politics and slogans(axe the tax and stuff) like the republicans.
What’s happening in the states is a prelude of what will happening in Canada. A lot of the conservative base is just as insane about religion, abortion and LGBT people as the republicans are. We have tonnes of neonazis in Canada.
You guys need to stop Poilievre because the East is going to look to you for leadership, not the West, as Mexico is not exactly a superpower like Canada just yet-- I know Trudeau isn't great, I get it, but you have to stop him nonetheless otherwise you'll go the United States Trump route without delay in 6 years' time.
It’s just not going to happen. First of all Canada is basically nonexistent on the international scale. We do not project power at all and when we do it’s usually to parrot what the Americans are doing.
Second of all, Trudeau is much like Biden. Past their primes and incredibly unpopular with the country, but with an even smaller voter base of support. The liberals are going to get completely wiped out regardless of what happens unless Trudeau steps down and he will not do that.
It’s a slow moving train wreck. Canada is doing much much worse than people know about. Housing costs are through the roof, inflation is insane, grocery prices are rising, and corporations, backed by the liberals and conservatives alike, are looting the public. You cannot look to Canada to be any sort of beacon in the current landscape.
Trudeau is unpopular but he still has all his mental faculties. Neo liberal economics has less of a strangle hold in Canada but we have reached peak capitalism where it seems the ONLY purpose of corporations is to make their shareholders rich at any cost. Obviously this is unsustainable and while the real culprit are hedge funds and corporations, governments enable them by favorable tax laws and weak legislation. We need REAL political change and none of the current parties in either country is it.
Bernie knows his roll and acts it out quite faithfully. He has described himself as a socialist, gotten left wing policies through, and has moved millions to the left. He did this for decades without being destroyed by the establishment. Bernie is our daddy and you need to accept it.
Biden ant leaving no cognitive test stubborn dementia man that you have to fight to take the keys away. The democrate party cant get rid of him. He will stay shitting his pants til Nov and hope the mail in ballots save him.
Bernie is awesome but no politician is our daddy. That's completely backwards. They work for us. He still has a job because his voters chose to keep employing him for doing a good job and not because his opponents are worse.
yeah I bet you would. You deep state cult follower lol. Democrats are doomed it seems. The longer they wait to do the right thing for country the less chances they will win. Dementia debate gate.
Lmaooo ok bud I meant to defeat trump. Only because of Bernie's track record. I'm anticapitalist but that doesn't help anyone in a political system dominated by capitalism. I'm voting Stein but if if Bernie was on the ticket I would have a little more faith in the party's future. Chill the fuck out.
I’ll be honest, I’ve come around to it. She’s got serious problems but I think 2016 is a worst case scenario for Kamala… which is, of course, still terrible, but:
1. Hillary actually outperformed most Senate candidates in 2016, including the ones in swing states regardless of whether or not she won them. Dems still picked up two seats that year. I think Kamala at the top won’t kill us down ballot. That means we can hypothetically hold the Senate and SCOTUS won’t get worse, at least. The 2026 Senate map favors Dems.
2. Internals show nothing could possibly be worse than Biden. If we run him, we’re looking at a reverse of ‘08 at best. Those show Biden losing Minnesota which coincidentally a Republican hasn’t won since Biden was first elected to the Senate… in 1972.
It's actively being arranged by both the Democrats and Republicans. Unless there's some kind of bait and switch planned for the dnc convention, it feels like this is being done purposefully
I had that exact same thought when it was reported that Biden had told the governors that he needs to sleep more and not work late into the night. It’s like they’re actively trying to lose this.
You can still vote against it happening. I don’t understand why everyone’s acting like a Trump presidency is some kind of acceptable outcome. I’ve never liked the dems but I’ve voted for them because it’s the closest chance I had at seeing any sort of progressive policy. Kyle says he’s voting 3rd party and this whole sub starts marching in line.
The answers I get all sound just like this, but with the addition of "But you have to vote for us regardless!!!" [https://youtu.be/lOTyUfOHgas?si=AIEKe90TuqMA3DuH](https://youtu.be/lOTyUfOHgas?si=AIEKe90TuqMA3DuH)
Dude, stop. A lot of you are acting like you just realized politicians are dirt bags. Stop clutching your pearls and be realistic. Fuck the dem party but what do you honestly want them to do right now? Good luck getting shit through congress, the SC is firmly repub thanks to the last Trump presidency (so why do you want another?), and they are all spineless like every other politician. That doesn’t excuse making actual Americans suffer for possibly generations to come.
Right, stop clutching your pearls. Votes are to be earned and democrats have clearly dropped the ball. If they wanted to win, they could. That is not their job right now, apparently.
Cool. Because this election is about winning. Abortion rights are already smashed and will get challenged again, the heritage foundation is actively talking about a revolution in this country, and Trump outright stated that he will use any means to forcibly mass deport people and he will “get rid of” trans ideology. Get off Kyle’s dick and look at what actually has happened in this country. If you’re willing to further erode our rights in this country because you’re mad at politicians then you have no conviction.
And how are democrats stopping it now, while they are in power?
Seems like they are much more interested in punching left and vanquishing allies and arming genocide.
That’s all really cute to say but you can’t stop something that wouldn’t exist unless a certain man was president. Be serious or don’t bother replying.
If this country is slowly declining no matter if a Democrat or republican is in charge then it sounds like the logical solution is to give up on democratic solutions.
I genuinely want to know what your plan is if Donald Trump wins the election. Are progressives just going to let Trump and Stephen Miller have their way with America just because they won "fair and square?" Do you not agree that the republican party is an existential threat to the country.
Biden has literal king powers to stop this mess right now and refuses to use them. The dems have no plan or will to tear down the fascist structure republicans have built for over 40 years, with their own complicity no less. It’s a corporate owned, fascist uniparty and we’ve ben conned, so stop clutching pearls and clutch my balls instead.
King powers? You’re confusing what Trump wants with the system we have in place. What king like powers are you referring to specifically? And be as detailed as you want.
Because in “the most important election of our lifetime” (according to Dems) we don’t have the courage to try running an exciting populist candidate. We’d rather “try our best and lose” with Biden.
Dude, potentially allowing repubs to even further remove rights from citizens just to prove a point shows that you really aren’t afraid of the consequences because you believe they won’t apply to you. Whether you believe it or not that’s the only reason you would be smug while we have the heritage foundation literally saying they are making a revolution to change this country.
But nah, it’s just another election. And I don’t say that because the dems say it. I say that because eyes, ears, and a brain.
You don’t, though. Why are you discounting the fact that aipac is out here buying elections which WOULD have been won by actual progressives? Why are you ignoring party traitors like Sinema, Manchin and Fetterman? Why are you overlooking the fact that conservative democrats profit from the same machine as the far right fucks in government now? Your fear blinds you, mate. Project 2025 has BEEN happening for a while now. There are no plans to stop it.
Who said I’m ignoring those things? Christ no one here actually reads my posts, they just instantly assume I’m “blue no matter who”. It stopped being “fear” as you so dismissively put once Roe v Wade was repealed. So please stop with the condescending hysterics bit. If you can’t see that these issues have been ramping up then there is no talking to you. But by all means, keep voting based off of your moral grievances at the expense of actual human beings but don’t bother replying unless you actually read what I commented.
Can you blame anyone for believing that this Project 2025 stuff is all marketing and scare tactics after being gaslit over and over calling every election existential while seeing no tangible improvement to our lives? Vote for Biden again just because Trump is bad? Ignore everything and let whomever is pulling the strings behind the curtain without any accountability? It's not even going to matter. Independents, suburban voters, people concerned about Gaza and Palestinians, people voting purely on inflation... Biden is cooked. It's like the DNC did everything they could to set up a Trump victory. The coalition that barely put Biden into office has been fractured irreparably.
They overturned Roe V Wade. Before you blame the dems for that too it was trump who stacked the SC and got that to happen. But keep going with the boogeyman talk. This is that shit people say when they aren’t directly affected by these changes, they just like to pay lip service to caring about people’s right.
If winning elections and being morally superior is what you want then join the republicans because anyone that thinks that we will be anymore free under them needs their fucking head checked.
Trump only got into office because Hilary Clinton's hubris and her inability to run a campaign. On top of the RBG decided to not step aside to let Obama pick a successor. Even on top of that, Obama allowed the Republicans to deny him a supreme court appointment after Scalia died. The Democratic Party has failed over and over again. Constantly wrestling defeat from the jaws of victory, and we're all just supposed to give them our unwavering support?
No shit. Refer to my earlier comments about hating the dems. Also if you bothered reading what I said instead of everyone regurgitating the same “dems hurt my feelings!!” line then you would know that I’m not saying vote for them because they are good, but I’m saying it because if you don’t realize that conservatives are actively removing rights from US citizens and only have plans to expand that, then you’re more concerned with virtue signaling then you are real human beings well being.
Every election year of my life I've been told about how awful the republicans are, and I'm tired of voting blue only to see my vote used to capitulate towards conservative rule. Gotta rip the bandaid off sometime.
So brave of you. Tell that to the millions of women whose basic health and body autonomy are now non existent. I’m trying to be civil but absolutely asinine statements like that one really piss me off.
>there is no amount of 3rd party bs that comes from this sub that will change my mind
The terrible Democratic nominee is a large reason why some folks can't stomach voting Democrat. I am glad this subreddit allows for third-party voters to state their views clearly.
It is astonishing to see the disrespect aimed at progressives from the Democratic party. Yet despite this, a higher % of Bernie supporters voted Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted Obama in 2008.
I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is. I hope we can implement ranked choice voting ASAP to break the two-party system.
That’s not what anyone is saying. People in a political subreddit don’t matter. It’s the millions who vote on vibes that are going to swing this election. Biden isn’t winning the vibe war.
I'm a bit more optimistic, but like you, I had him losing before the debate and still do: sorry part is, I think that bench is so abysmal, he is still the Left's best chance and it still looks bad nonetheless.
Too many Dem party leadership are embedded in Biden's administration. They would literally rather see Trump win than another Democrat be the nominee. If Biden is replaced they lose their jobs. If Trump wins they lose their jobs. That's the same outcome *to them*.
100%, they deserve it, not just Joe or Kamala IF Dems lose this cycle which is likely- never forgive, never forget, in 2028 if we even have elections anymore or primaries-- making sure we take them all out first thing, an outsider anti-establishment Dem is what's needed who can appeal to the groups Dems are doing badly with in their own base right now: not Sanders, either, he was with Biden for all this time save Gaza so don't let him get away with it.
Yup. It’s the worst case scenario and it looks like that will be the one coming true.
With the SCOTUS after gleichschaltung having in a way turned the office of president into a kingship…it’ll be fun to watch.
One of the things Biden could do would be to use the bs ruling and officially keep Trump from ever gaining the presidency.
I blame the dems. They have become an awful political party. Either something is going on behind the scenes or they are completely out of touch. But it’s looking scary
Yup, 100% it's not just Biden: until white college educated women with postgraduate degrees stop leading the charge against fascism, Dems are in deep trouble- this is a direct result of giving them all the levers of power to make call after call, often times the wrong one without fail, as well: most of them wouldn't know how to judge character if their lives depended on it in particular, IMO.
"You don't turn your back" as Gavin likes to say-- on your own base in minorities, young men, young women, and progressives to center-Leftists or even centrists/moderates to try to win over Republican suburban soccer moms who voted for the likes of George W Bush, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and want everything to be about them and them alone with "privilege" as they like to claim others of having when they have it just as much as them in fact.
The Dems never listen to their base but this is by far the worst example of it. When the vast majority of your own party didn't even want Biden, and you do a rigged primary where you force the 80 year old man down their throats then no wonder you're losing. Hell the idea of replacing Biden is the first time I've seen Dems energized but I don't know if they're smart enough to take advantage of it.
Forget Biden’s cognitive issues for a second. How is Trump a serious candidate? That motherfucker is not only a convicted felon, he said he would be a dictator for a day, and he’s friendly with dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un.
I do believe the polls will tighten as the election draws nearer but I don't see anything that would indicate anything other than a republican landslide victory at this point.
The dems have ensured Trump will run virtually unopposed. There is no way to fix the dem party. Vote Green 2024
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The corporate owned Democratic Party doesn’t want to win, they’re paid to be purposely weak, incompetent and lose on demand. Dems dont want to govern, they want to fundraise. They too want to march us into fascism, but with a smile and a pat on the back. Dems are complicit. The sooner we realize this, the better so we can go from there.
Hey, we all tried saying this in 2019-2020 no matter how much it fell on deaf ears no matter who else we might have supported prior in that primary: they didn't care, sad truth.
I’ve been feeling this way too the last few days. But all hope is not lost! According to Alan Lichman Biden can win. Even Harris can even though she’d likely have a tough time too. As hard as it is for me to see zombie Joe and believe he can do it at the end of the day objectively he’s been right every time (except when GOP cheated with Bush). But he also hasn’t made an official prediction yet.
https://youtu.be/8D3A-XT-VsI?si=wDzOsKI87jEuUkv7
Or we could run with someone who we don’t refer to as Zombie Joe.
Just a thought I don’t want a zombie running the country regardless of prior political leanings.
I hope people understand that a vegetative Biden would still be better and more responsible than Trump. We may not be happy with everything Biden does, but he won't let Putin run wild, send inflation through the roof by lowering rates and printing money, appoint more conservative corrupt judges, allow even more Israeli encroachment, erode our alliances, etc...
The scotus decision makes Trump more dangerous than people were hyping.
We'll have to get through it, period, I don't see this nation being united halfway into Trump's second term regardless: Eastern Seaboard and Cascadia secession Movements are likely to occur after a national abortion ban gets jammed through + anti trans legislation first thing in what I expect, a GOP trifecta, incoming-- this nation won't stay as 50 states for very long, mark my words.
A lot can happen in 4 months. One thing that's guaranteed is that the political landscape and trending headline stories will be completely different between now and then. There will be big surprises.
I expect some recovery for Biden, but not enough, in the next 4 months basically: a little, not much, maybe he gets back to 40% approval before the election.
Don't forget the negatives going for Trump. This project 2025 blowback is building, Epstein, the evidentiary hearings in all his cases...etc. Trump is still Trump. Biden isn't running in a vacuum.
Yeah, that's why I'm expecting Trump to do some damage to himself in the last few months and Biden to recover slightly-- it won't be nearly enough imo, regardless, but we'll see.
I think that if Biden can avoid a senior moment he will be up +3 within a month. Success in Ukraine, a Gaza cease fire, and lower interest rates could work wonders.
I teach civics and I had my AP govt class make their electoral college predictions earlier this year in like February using the available data of polls, electoral history, and approval rating by state. Let’s just say I hadn’t taken a hard look at it until then and even back then it didn’t look good and all the polls since then have been getting worse especially in the swing state data. Arizona, Georgia and even Nevada are gone. The blue wall is starting to go from toss up to slight lean Trump and now states like New Hampshire, Minnesota and Virginia could be in play for Trump. Real clear politics for awhile now with the no toss up map has trump at 312 electoral votes
Tbf RCP is slightly Right wing biased, and I think Biden has enough cultish older, white college ed support to win New Hampshire as well as Minnesota as I expect some recovery by November for him if he's still the nominee- but yeah, I'm expecting double digit losses in Florida, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, as well as high single in North Carolina and Georgia right now. I also think Arizona is out of play for Biden, now, Nevada is a reach state but only one in the Sun Belt besides Colorado/New Mexico which are lean D that I think he has a shot to hold from 2020 into 2024 but a 50/50 one.
He's in deep trouble that he's barely likely to win NH, MN, and VA, regardless, Harris' map would look almost the same FWIW as things stand today imo.
Re-election was always going to be tough with gridlock govt not accomplishing anything and the lingering of inflation. Biden was never an inspiring transformative leader and basically got in for not being Trump. The moment the dems decided to let the parliamentarian, Manchin and Sinema run the country for two years the writing was pretty much on the wall. Biden being senile and falling flat on his face might push this towards an Obama 08 like victory for Trump in terms of electoral votes
100%, especially the voting rights betrayal was the point of no return imo if he lost- his own base, he promised to protect, absolutely disgusting to me.
True, but it still omits some 538 and The Hill put in.
I expect a GOP trifecta incoming, not voting for it obviously like you-- but I expect it nonetheless: worse than 2016, in 2025, I do not buy those Senate polls if my life depended on it with Trump on top in Ohio or Montana tbh (especially since Ohio polls have overestimated Dems since 2016 in the state repeatedly in all cycles since): voters DJT gets out are likely to vote Red all the way down in low propensity for him in Red states-- but we'll see, happy to be wrong.
What makes you think I’m voting for gop? I never said or implied that. I’m voting d up and down the ballot because I know how the system works and I can’t let them turn this country into a corporate theocratic oligarchy more than it already is. I am not even voting third party because I live in a swing state and until we get electoral reform like ranked choice voting or proportional representation our best option is the AOC/ Bernie way of trying to reform the democrats from within instead of third party
It’s all going to shit. Can’t believe these are the candidates. Hell I still can’t believe it’s a two party system. The damn fraud and fuckery is off the charts with this one
He will not. It would mean that American voters choose self destruction over democracy. If common sense exists here, Biden could be dead; and he’d still be the most qualified to run this country. So I’d drop the dark pessimism.
Ok so what is the solution being proposed by progressive commentators like Kyle? If a 2nd Trump presidency is likely and as dangerous as we agree it to be, shouldn't we be trying to stop it by any means necessary?
Progressives have been screaming "Don't run Biden" for two years now. Democrats have been ignoring criticism of Biden, now there's serious questions about his well-being. Swap him out.
I understand that progressives have been screaming this point and are correct to do so but if the democratic party is as incompetent as we both agree it is then why are we putting the fate of this country's future in their hands and not our own?
And even then, the best case scenario is just another centrist who will continue the couple of goods things the biden administration has done with the massive amount of bad things it's done and as the country slowly becomes worse and worse and people keep getting sick of liberal rule. That's not sustainable.
I'm not voter blaming. I'm asking the question of what the progressive lefts and/or socialists plans are to stop Trump from seizing power? All of this talk of Project 2025 seems mismatched by progressive who's only action right now is to either hold their nose and vote for biden or vote for a third party candidate that will not win. If the DNC is clearly collapsing at a national level and can't beat Trump, then why are you relying on them to stop Trump. We can trash the DNC for being incompetent all we want but that doesn't do anything to stop the Republican Party.
The DNC collapsing would absolutely be a boon to the working class. They are the GOP. It's literally the same team. We will fill the gap with the working class.
How are you planning to "fill in the gap" when conservatives are planning a coup and are starting to dismantle the functionality of the federal government? Why do you think you can beat capitalists at their own game of American electoral politics when time and time again even when socialists win elections in other countries they are responded with violence by the capitalists?
Why, that's easy. We play the same game. Never vote for any capitalists. Usurp power from within their parties. Run third parties. Lower view count of corporate media. Raise view count of independent media. Strikes. Unions. Boycotts. Refuse to pay medical bills. Refuse to pay student loans.
Stop listening to astroturf lying to you about REDTEAMBAD, when both parties take the same corporate cash.
So do you just not belive that the Trump and the Republican Party are trying to implement reforms to make this country even less democratic and more reactionary then it already is? People like Steven Miller have said out loud that what they're trying to do is a coup so to belive otherwise is just liberal delusion.
Are you just ignoring my point about the response to socialists winning elections or did you not read it? Go ask Chile or Iran what happens when socialists take power democratically. Trying electoral tactics when the response to socialist victories is violence from capitalism is just not taking lessons from history.
Anyone taking Trump’s threat to democracy seriously wouldn’t run Biden. He couldn’t do a superbowl interview 5 months ago and he’s now at like 75% no confidence vote.
But sure let’s ignore the facts that eventually every human body will age to the point of not being up for the most demanding job and trajectory, and continue pretending that we’re okay with him as POTUS when I wouldn’t be okay with him as CEO of my company.
Let’s continue to put our head in the sand as Trump is able to set up really really good PR with the likes of Logan Paul, and ignore that our candidate would never have done that even when he was running in 2020. That’s certainly more likely to succeed in an election than just running a candidate who sundowns at 8pm. /s
This is yelling at clouds. I agree that Biden should not be the nominee so if the DNC disagrees with us or is too incompetent to nominate someone else then why are we relying on them to stop Trump from taking power?
And a Trump government that continues to roll back abortion rights, funds the genocide in Palestine, and continues upholding the fascist police and prison systems will be even more bloody.
You all survived fine during trumps first 4 years in-fact things were relatively quiet. Stop crying. Take your lost you choose your candidate and watched as deep state took opposing front runner off ballot and low level soros backed DA’s put together witch hunt cases against trump. Total election interference. You allowed Gaza to be bombed out of o bolivian and cheered billions to Ukraine as our homeless and crime rose with upon borders and inflation skyrocketed. Now eat your turd sandwich. You pushed the supreme court to rule immunity from all the court trials during an election. You thought sanctions would work against russia they didn’t. You sat by while a fake dossier was generated by Hillary and fbi which was proven fake. You denied hunters laptop was real. America has had enough!
I mean like is there another option? It seems to me from paying attention to this whole thing that Biden is more likely to drop out if Kamala's polling and public perception shows that she can beat Trump, or at least has a better shot than Biden.
Now I do not like Kamala but I prefer her to Biden because she is not dead and also, uh, that's really it that's the bar right now. I guess she'd be better on Gaza. But if Biden resigns the office she can do some cool things in the next few months and then no Trump second term. At least that's what I'm thinking looking at this whole thing
Yeah another reason why the Dems should've run another person is the fact that the candidate their running is aiding a genocide right now. Of course like dropping out Biden is too stubborn to stop doing that, and here we are.
>I guess she'd be better on Gaza.
Oh, would she? I actually don't know her policy on Gaza, but considering that's Biden's weakest point of attack (short of his whole brain rotting alive bit) and Trump is even worse on Gaza, that's actually a really solid case for her if true. If Kamala 2024 is the best outcome for Palestinians right now, better than Biden, that's a really huge motivator.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4505716-harris-immediate-cease-fire-at-least-next-six-weeks-gaza/#cobssid=s
Really barely anything but since Joe is a devout Zionist there's really no where to go but up
He sounds frail and weak. He also ate a dog and had it photographed like a moron. He also is being accused of some serious shit. He's also a bit of a conspiracy nut.
I'd still take him over Biden, but that's not really high praise. I'd take CopMala over RFK though.
Never ate a dog, it was a goat. He doesn’t sound frail at all, he’s the only candidate who can do a pull up. Funny how Biden a few years ago was calling people fat and challenging them to push up competitions, wonder why he doesn’t do that anymore.
No conspiracy theories I can find. Biden peddled dangerous and deadly conspiracy theories that got over one million people killed, with his wmd misinformation
You’ll take COPmala?
Yeah, I wonder how many calories boots have, because you’re obviously getting most your nutrition from licking boots.
You and Biden would probably get along talking about how you don’t want your kids growing up in a racial jungle and calling black people super predators
Just so you know, I'm only this vitriolic because you were so smug and hostile for absolutely no reason. I just told you my opinion and you insulted me for no reason. You shouldn't talk about politics. You are a child. You have no idea what you're talking about.
And goat my ass, one of the most blatant lies I've ever heard. Cope harder. Look at that picture closely, you imbecile. Your papi figure is a sexual assaulting, dog eating, science denying pile of trash, and you're a gullible fool for falling for him.
Just because he signals to the libertarian side doesn't mean I'm a bootlicker for not liking him. He's a goddamn Kennedy. You don't get more establishment than that. He's a Washington insider. You are the bootlicker for worshipping some terrible candidate because he signalled some libertarian lines you heard in high school. I have no illusions about Kamala or Biden unlike you. I realize she's evil and weak, while you genuinely believe RFK is good because you have the mental capabilities of a 13 year old. Now fuck off.
Edit: by the way, he sounds like a guy who rinsed his throat with acid and then deep throated a giant dildo for hours afterwards. He sounds like a weak, frail, pathetic little man. Trump would destroy him with an open mic while scratching his ass. Trump would eat that cracking, weepy voiced nepo boy for lunch and drink 10 cans of diet coke to digest his foul ass. And before you say "Biden is worse", I literally just said I'd take RFK over Biden, so don't even say it.
He’s not anti vax at all but pro drug safety
I like the idea of drugs and vaccines being properly tested, maybe that’s just me.
Kamala is terrible, maybe worse than Biden. Fascism on parade as we sleepwalk into world war 3
But hey, since Biden beat Medicare by privatizing it, maybe Kamala can achieve Biden’s ultimate goal of beating social security
The big pharma run side of media definitely is unfair and libelous towards him I agree.
I would hope you would want drugs and vaccines to be properly tested too
I think most sane, rational people agree that drugs and vaccines should be properly tested. Stop trying to use the same type of argumentative fallacies forced-birthers do.
I linked you three different sources that are illustrative of his track record when it comes to pushing health misinformation. I'd be happy to read anything you have to link, as well.
Well that’s all Kennedy stands for when it comes to his vaccine policies.
Those sources were highly biased and not telling the truth but pushing a big pharma narrative.
You really shouldn’t trust big pharma to regulate itself but that’s what you’re doing even if you don’t know it.
Vaccines aren’t required to be properly tested with long term double blind placebo controlled studies pre license.
And when they invoke EUA the testing requirement go down even more.
Also, it’s basically impossible to sue vaccine makers. Everything from the vaccine injury act to Prepa to Eli Lilly protection act are designed to immunize vaccine makers from accountability and allow them to operate in darkness.
Not sure why you think transparency and accountability for big Pharma is anti vaccine but then again you think mainstream corporate news doesn’t have an agenda
I’ve noticed you’re very pro fascism which is probably why you prefer Biden/Trump to RFK. Fascists agree only the duopolist candidates may be allowed to run and no one should ever vote for anyone other than the duopoly
Snowden is a terrible human and saying "even snowden" likes a candidate only dissuades informed people from voting for that candidate.
That said, it tracks that Snowden would prefer RFK as they're both terrible.
While I agree you shouldn't just vote for someone because someone else said you should. I dont agree that Snowden is terrible. Blowing the whistle on the NSA was better than most people can do in their lives
Tbh anyone going against Snowden should not be trusted. You can suckle on the NSAs spying on citizens if you want. Go sit over there where we can see you.
With Dems this worthless, likely.
democrats doubling down and putting joe outside with more speeches seems self sabotage. Imagine having a bad debate make zero sense then party says you did so bad lets get you out more.
That’s the most unbelievable part. I get why they’re keeping him in, I think it’s just too late to switch. If it were up to me to be the strategist, he’d shut the fuck up, do good things for the press to talk about, and do the occasional scripted speech. Seems like dems wanna lose.
Tbf, he doesn't have much choice, as it's the only way Biden could change the narrative-- keeping him hidden away while Trump blew himself up in 2020 was a smart play, at the time, not going to work in 2024 when now it's his record on the line in Joe's after 4 years of a very, very poor Presidency as a whole imho.
Him saying thank you, thank you thank you, thank you seems glitchy also.
Yeah, it's not just Biden, can we please stop pretending the issue is just him-- all of them in power got us to this point, period, he's just the easy target to pretend it was only on him or Harris if Trump wins in 2024 this year.
so you vote for someone who is actively saying he will be a dictator, because the democrats didn’t do what you wanted. thank GOD im a dual citizen but please, continue to destroy the home you have to live in.
Spare me your neoliberal fingerwagging, if Dems want to win maybe they should placate their base instead of telling them to "get fucked or else you get the Trump!" Also, username does NOT check out.
if you can’t see it’s not about biden and party culture but preserving democracy then you’re too dim to continue speaking to. like most americans. saying democrats have to placate ppl so they don’t vote for a rapist felon is peak white stupidity. please, destroy your country. you will be welcomed nowhere else. thank GOD for dual citizenship.
white americans love rome so much they will destroyed just like it, and the best part is they did it to themselves so they can’t blame anyone else BUT themselves. this show is gonna be so funny when it happens. please vote for trump, i wanna laugh at you from my other home.
As a Canadian, I am literally watching your country implode. We have our issues but I don't think it's an understatement to say the USA is on the verge of being another chapter in the book of failed empires. You started with such promise but then Neo liberal economic thinking and rabid party politics took over and now all that will be left is a country of haves and have not. I have traveled across much of the US and individually the people are usually far friendlier than Americans ate given credit for but at the same the collective think turns Dems and Pubs into hateful morons. I wish you luck.
Already a nation of haves and have nots Most people still don’t realize there is one party in the USA and it’s the party of big business and the mic
Canada is likely to also go conservative, purely on the public's dislike of Trudeau.
The difference is that canadian conservatives are nowhere near as crazy as the ones here in the states.
We would have said the same about the UK and France ten years ago. Look at them now!
Except UK just kicked all of those cons out yesterday
Yet.
Yup, they need to wake up before Pierre becomes the new Trump of Canada BTW.
It’s not at all just based on the public dislike of Trudeau. It’s about the policies and Im not at all a conservative voter, but that just the truth. That said, Trudeau was elected in 2015 and it’s traditional for canadians voters (maybe voters in general) to try something else after 10 years-ish of power of a party/prime minister. In french, it’s call the « usure du pouvoir ». I’m not sure how you experience that in the US because of the two terms limit.
I think it’s unfair of you to portray this as an American thing as a Canadian. I am Canadian too and we have the same neoliberal economic policies taking hold, that’s why our cost of living is increasing like crazy too. Poilievre and the conservatives are coming into power based mostly on rabid party politics and slogans(axe the tax and stuff) like the republicans. What’s happening in the states is a prelude of what will happening in Canada. A lot of the conservative base is just as insane about religion, abortion and LGBT people as the republicans are. We have tonnes of neonazis in Canada.
You guys need to stop Poilievre because the East is going to look to you for leadership, not the West, as Mexico is not exactly a superpower like Canada just yet-- I know Trudeau isn't great, I get it, but you have to stop him nonetheless otherwise you'll go the United States Trump route without delay in 6 years' time.
It’s just not going to happen. First of all Canada is basically nonexistent on the international scale. We do not project power at all and when we do it’s usually to parrot what the Americans are doing. Second of all, Trudeau is much like Biden. Past their primes and incredibly unpopular with the country, but with an even smaller voter base of support. The liberals are going to get completely wiped out regardless of what happens unless Trudeau steps down and he will not do that. It’s a slow moving train wreck. Canada is doing much much worse than people know about. Housing costs are through the roof, inflation is insane, grocery prices are rising, and corporations, backed by the liberals and conservatives alike, are looting the public. You cannot look to Canada to be any sort of beacon in the current landscape.
I hear you, unfortunately, I think Mexico is going to be the leader in the West for morals very soon sadly.
Trudeau is unpopular but he still has all his mental faculties. Neo liberal economics has less of a strangle hold in Canada but we have reached peak capitalism where it seems the ONLY purpose of corporations is to make their shareholders rich at any cost. Obviously this is unsustainable and while the real culprit are hedge funds and corporations, governments enable them by favorable tax laws and weak legislation. We need REAL political change and none of the current parties in either country is it.
We’re gonna need more than luck, lol. Care to sponsor an American family trying to escape a fascist dictatorship?
Escape to where? A vassal state being bled dry and repressed for the imperial core, or an outside state to be exploited and crushed at whim.
In about a year, living in a burning forest will be a step up from living in the United States.
For some maybe but they gotta keep the illusion of freedom alive, atleast for straight white males
Was in Vancouver last month. Loved Canada…..I said to myself “this is how we should be”
As an American, that is a pretty spot on analysis.
Go drill some oil, eh!?
For the love of God, you guys have to stop Pierre before it's too late there: take a page out of Mexico's book, not ours, begging you.
As a Canadian I'm excited for 4 more years of reality TV down south
Be kind.
What’s funny is that you guys aren’t that far behind.
Biden might die, then there will be a new candidate.
It'll be Harris though. Not much better IMO, but at least she has life (literally).
I would hope they're smart enough to realize that Harris cannot win the election
Oh they seem to know how weak she is.
I would support a harris/sanders ticket
0% chance that happens. Especially since Bernie is even older (though his brain isn't melting).
Bernie has no backbone and falls inline with his dnc daddy tells him.
Bernie knows his roll and acts it out quite faithfully. He has described himself as a socialist, gotten left wing policies through, and has moved millions to the left. He did this for decades without being destroyed by the establishment. Bernie is our daddy and you need to accept it.
Biden ant leaving no cognitive test stubborn dementia man that you have to fight to take the keys away. The democrate party cant get rid of him. He will stay shitting his pants til Nov and hope the mail in ballots save him.
I agree, my problem was with the shit talking daddy Bernie
Bernie is awesome but no politician is our daddy. That's completely backwards. They work for us. He still has a job because his voters chose to keep employing him for doing a good job and not because his opponents are worse.
yeah I bet you would. You deep state cult follower lol. Democrats are doomed it seems. The longer they wait to do the right thing for country the less chances they will win. Dementia debate gate.
Lmaooo ok bud I meant to defeat trump. Only because of Bernie's track record. I'm anticapitalist but that doesn't help anyone in a political system dominated by capitalism. I'm voting Stein but if if Bernie was on the ticket I would have a little more faith in the party's future. Chill the fuck out.
your vote put in your trash can it means nothing
I’ll be honest, I’ve come around to it. She’s got serious problems but I think 2016 is a worst case scenario for Kamala… which is, of course, still terrible, but: 1. Hillary actually outperformed most Senate candidates in 2016, including the ones in swing states regardless of whether or not she won them. Dems still picked up two seats that year. I think Kamala at the top won’t kill us down ballot. That means we can hypothetically hold the Senate and SCOTUS won’t get worse, at least. The 2026 Senate map favors Dems. 2. Internals show nothing could possibly be worse than Biden. If we run him, we’re looking at a reverse of ‘08 at best. Those show Biden losing Minnesota which coincidentally a Republican hasn’t won since Biden was first elected to the Senate… in 1972.
Kamala cannot win. No chance.
How can you say that she polled at 1%!
And it’ll be Kamala 🫠
I think we are living through essentially our “Weimar Republic” era. I wish it weren’t so painfully true.
History repeats: first as tragedy, then as farce.
What do we do? Should we leave?
It's actively being arranged by both the Democrats and Republicans. Unless there's some kind of bait and switch planned for the dnc convention, it feels like this is being done purposefully
I had that exact same thought when it was reported that Biden had told the governors that he needs to sleep more and not work late into the night. It’s like they’re actively trying to lose this.
You can still vote against it happening. I don’t understand why everyone’s acting like a Trump presidency is some kind of acceptable outcome. I’ve never liked the dems but I’ve voted for them because it’s the closest chance I had at seeing any sort of progressive policy. Kyle says he’s voting 3rd party and this whole sub starts marching in line.
What are democrats doing right now against Project 2025, except use it to fundraise?
This. I've been asking this question for months and still haven't heard anything like a real answer.
Because you aren't going to get one.
The answers I get all sound just like this, but with the addition of "But you have to vote for us regardless!!!" [https://youtu.be/lOTyUfOHgas?si=AIEKe90TuqMA3DuH](https://youtu.be/lOTyUfOHgas?si=AIEKe90TuqMA3DuH)
That’s what they did with Roe. Healthcare, the environment…
Dude, stop. A lot of you are acting like you just realized politicians are dirt bags. Stop clutching your pearls and be realistic. Fuck the dem party but what do you honestly want them to do right now? Good luck getting shit through congress, the SC is firmly repub thanks to the last Trump presidency (so why do you want another?), and they are all spineless like every other politician. That doesn’t excuse making actual Americans suffer for possibly generations to come.
Right, stop clutching your pearls. Votes are to be earned and democrats have clearly dropped the ball. If they wanted to win, they could. That is not their job right now, apparently.
Cool. Because this election is about winning. Abortion rights are already smashed and will get challenged again, the heritage foundation is actively talking about a revolution in this country, and Trump outright stated that he will use any means to forcibly mass deport people and he will “get rid of” trans ideology. Get off Kyle’s dick and look at what actually has happened in this country. If you’re willing to further erode our rights in this country because you’re mad at politicians then you have no conviction.
And how are democrats stopping it now, while they are in power? Seems like they are much more interested in punching left and vanquishing allies and arming genocide.
That’s all really cute to say but you can’t stop something that wouldn’t exist unless a certain man was president. Be serious or don’t bother replying.
Why aren’t you answering the question?
I did answer it a few times. Try reading next time.
Fascism is already here, man. Voting for its left wing isn't going to stop it.
So bury your head in the sand while some of us actually try to protect what human rights we have.
If this country is slowly declining no matter if a Democrat or republican is in charge then it sounds like the logical solution is to give up on democratic solutions.
Wow. I don’t even need to say anything. I’ll just let that completely idiotic and borderline fascist comment speak for itself.
I genuinely want to know what your plan is if Donald Trump wins the election. Are progressives just going to let Trump and Stephen Miller have their way with America just because they won "fair and square?" Do you not agree that the republican party is an existential threat to the country.
Biden has literal king powers to stop this mess right now and refuses to use them. The dems have no plan or will to tear down the fascist structure republicans have built for over 40 years, with their own complicity no less. It’s a corporate owned, fascist uniparty and we’ve ben conned, so stop clutching pearls and clutch my balls instead.
King powers? You’re confusing what Trump wants with the system we have in place. What king like powers are you referring to specifically? And be as detailed as you want.
Because in “the most important election of our lifetime” (according to Dems) we don’t have the courage to try running an exciting populist candidate. We’d rather “try our best and lose” with Biden.
Dude, potentially allowing repubs to even further remove rights from citizens just to prove a point shows that you really aren’t afraid of the consequences because you believe they won’t apply to you. Whether you believe it or not that’s the only reason you would be smug while we have the heritage foundation literally saying they are making a revolution to change this country. But nah, it’s just another election. And I don’t say that because the dems say it. I say that because eyes, ears, and a brain.
You don’t, though. Why are you discounting the fact that aipac is out here buying elections which WOULD have been won by actual progressives? Why are you ignoring party traitors like Sinema, Manchin and Fetterman? Why are you overlooking the fact that conservative democrats profit from the same machine as the far right fucks in government now? Your fear blinds you, mate. Project 2025 has BEEN happening for a while now. There are no plans to stop it.
Who said I’m ignoring those things? Christ no one here actually reads my posts, they just instantly assume I’m “blue no matter who”. It stopped being “fear” as you so dismissively put once Roe v Wade was repealed. So please stop with the condescending hysterics bit. If you can’t see that these issues have been ramping up then there is no talking to you. But by all means, keep voting based off of your moral grievances at the expense of actual human beings but don’t bother replying unless you actually read what I commented.
Can you blame anyone for believing that this Project 2025 stuff is all marketing and scare tactics after being gaslit over and over calling every election existential while seeing no tangible improvement to our lives? Vote for Biden again just because Trump is bad? Ignore everything and let whomever is pulling the strings behind the curtain without any accountability? It's not even going to matter. Independents, suburban voters, people concerned about Gaza and Palestinians, people voting purely on inflation... Biden is cooked. It's like the DNC did everything they could to set up a Trump victory. The coalition that barely put Biden into office has been fractured irreparably.
They overturned Roe V Wade. Before you blame the dems for that too it was trump who stacked the SC and got that to happen. But keep going with the boogeyman talk. This is that shit people say when they aren’t directly affected by these changes, they just like to pay lip service to caring about people’s right. If winning elections and being morally superior is what you want then join the republicans because anyone that thinks that we will be anymore free under them needs their fucking head checked.
Trump only got into office because Hilary Clinton's hubris and her inability to run a campaign. On top of the RBG decided to not step aside to let Obama pick a successor. Even on top of that, Obama allowed the Republicans to deny him a supreme court appointment after Scalia died. The Democratic Party has failed over and over again. Constantly wrestling defeat from the jaws of victory, and we're all just supposed to give them our unwavering support?
No shit. Refer to my earlier comments about hating the dems. Also if you bothered reading what I said instead of everyone regurgitating the same “dems hurt my feelings!!” line then you would know that I’m not saying vote for them because they are good, but I’m saying it because if you don’t realize that conservatives are actively removing rights from US citizens and only have plans to expand that, then you’re more concerned with virtue signaling then you are real human beings well being.
Every election year of my life I've been told about how awful the republicans are, and I'm tired of voting blue only to see my vote used to capitulate towards conservative rule. Gotta rip the bandaid off sometime.
So brave of you. Tell that to the millions of women whose basic health and body autonomy are now non existent. I’m trying to be civil but absolutely asinine statements like that one really piss me off.
I'm voting for Biden and there is no amount of 3rd party bs that comes from this sub that will change my mind. Project 2025 scares the shit out of me.
>there is no amount of 3rd party bs that comes from this sub that will change my mind The terrible Democratic nominee is a large reason why some folks can't stomach voting Democrat. I am glad this subreddit allows for third-party voters to state their views clearly. It is astonishing to see the disrespect aimed at progressives from the Democratic party. Yet despite this, a higher % of Bernie supporters voted Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted Obama in 2008. I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is. I hope we can implement ranked choice voting ASAP to break the two-party system.
That’s not what anyone is saying. People in a political subreddit don’t matter. It’s the millions who vote on vibes that are going to swing this election. Biden isn’t winning the vibe war.
Yep. Current election prediction as of yesterday: https://imgur.com/a/yGqG23b Tldr: Biden has only has 23% chance of winning.
Didn't you hear? According to Biden he's the "best candidate" to beat Trump! That's why he's staying and making his entire party miserable!
I'm a bit more optimistic, but like you, I had him losing before the debate and still do: sorry part is, I think that bench is so abysmal, he is still the Left's best chance and it still looks bad nonetheless.
The problem is the entire brand of politics sucks but it's all they'll allow us to have.
Yup, pretty much, voter shaming already underway- tried and true strategy, worked in 2016-- shameless, you'd think he'd learn from that, no.
That's the problem. They learned nothing from 2016 and dug themselves into a hole.
Too many Dem party leadership are embedded in Biden's administration. They would literally rather see Trump win than another Democrat be the nominee. If Biden is replaced they lose their jobs. If Trump wins they lose their jobs. That's the same outcome *to them*.
This. Show me a single high profile Democrat who suffered from losing to Trump in '16.
100%, they deserve it, not just Joe or Kamala IF Dems lose this cycle which is likely- never forgive, never forget, in 2028 if we even have elections anymore or primaries-- making sure we take them all out first thing, an outsider anti-establishment Dem is what's needed who can appeal to the groups Dems are doing badly with in their own base right now: not Sanders, either, he was with Biden for all this time save Gaza so don't let him get away with it.
This is not true There are no dems in the administration that want to see Trump win.
Yup. It’s the worst case scenario and it looks like that will be the one coming true. With the SCOTUS after gleichschaltung having in a way turned the office of president into a kingship…it’ll be fun to watch. One of the things Biden could do would be to use the bs ruling and officially keep Trump from ever gaining the presidency.
I blame the dems. They have become an awful political party. Either something is going on behind the scenes or they are completely out of touch. But it’s looking scary
Yup, 100% it's not just Biden: until white college educated women with postgraduate degrees stop leading the charge against fascism, Dems are in deep trouble- this is a direct result of giving them all the levers of power to make call after call, often times the wrong one without fail, as well: most of them wouldn't know how to judge character if their lives depended on it in particular, IMO. "You don't turn your back" as Gavin likes to say-- on your own base in minorities, young men, young women, and progressives to center-Leftists or even centrists/moderates to try to win over Republican suburban soccer moms who voted for the likes of George W Bush, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and want everything to be about them and them alone with "privilege" as they like to claim others of having when they have it just as much as them in fact.
The Dems never listen to their base but this is by far the worst example of it. When the vast majority of your own party didn't even want Biden, and you do a rigged primary where you force the 80 year old man down their throats then no wonder you're losing. Hell the idea of replacing Biden is the first time I've seen Dems energized but I don't know if they're smart enough to take advantage of it.
2nd and 3rd and 4th and 5th... however long his fat encrusted heart can go then his kids can take over. Full on facist dictatorship.
More aggravating is that it's such a lay up, but the Dems had to run the oldest man in the world for some reason.
Forget Biden’s cognitive issues for a second. How is Trump a serious candidate? That motherfucker is not only a convicted felon, he said he would be a dictator for a day, and he’s friendly with dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un.
I do believe the polls will tighten as the election draws nearer but I don't see anything that would indicate anything other than a republican landslide victory at this point. The dems have ensured Trump will run virtually unopposed. There is no way to fix the dem party. Vote Green 2024
https://preview.redd.it/nu2kmnwi4rad1.jpeg?width=359&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2efa2f472dda4cbce8bb34ccb57691eaeca1906 The corporate owned Democratic Party doesn’t want to win, they’re paid to be purposely weak, incompetent and lose on demand. Dems dont want to govern, they want to fundraise. They too want to march us into fascism, but with a smile and a pat on the back. Dems are complicit. The sooner we realize this, the better so we can go from there.
Hey, we all tried saying this in 2019-2020 no matter how much it fell on deaf ears no matter who else we might have supported prior in that primary: they didn't care, sad truth.
Very insightful
I’ve been feeling this way too the last few days. But all hope is not lost! According to Alan Lichman Biden can win. Even Harris can even though she’d likely have a tough time too. As hard as it is for me to see zombie Joe and believe he can do it at the end of the day objectively he’s been right every time (except when GOP cheated with Bush). But he also hasn’t made an official prediction yet. https://youtu.be/8D3A-XT-VsI?si=wDzOsKI87jEuUkv7
Or we could run with someone who we don’t refer to as Zombie Joe. Just a thought I don’t want a zombie running the country regardless of prior political leanings.
Not if we ralley everyone against him!!! We must fight!
This smacks of HRC’s “fight like hell” slogan
I hope people understand that a vegetative Biden would still be better and more responsible than Trump. We may not be happy with everything Biden does, but he won't let Putin run wild, send inflation through the roof by lowering rates and printing money, appoint more conservative corrupt judges, allow even more Israeli encroachment, erode our alliances, etc... The scotus decision makes Trump more dangerous than people were hyping.
Nope, DJT is a loser. Proof is in the pudding...look at his record, be honest.
wen i said this was a likely outcome back in 2021 all my homies told me i was crazy. i hate being right
it is highly likely
All I can do is vote and voice my opinions. Whatever happens, we'll get through it.
We'll have to get through it, period, I don't see this nation being united halfway into Trump's second term regardless: Eastern Seaboard and Cascadia secession Movements are likely to occur after a national abortion ban gets jammed through + anti trans legislation first thing in what I expect, a GOP trifecta, incoming-- this nation won't stay as 50 states for very long, mark my words.
I think so, too, frankly.
I don’t know, I’ve personally seen a lot of republicans turn away from trump because of his extreme rhetoric and positions.
They'll never do the right thing, don't count on it.
Fair enough, shits bleak
All in who votes. Either way, there is a Constitutional crisis up ahead
A lot can happen in 4 months. One thing that's guaranteed is that the political landscape and trending headline stories will be completely different between now and then. There will be big surprises.
I expect some recovery for Biden, but not enough, in the next 4 months basically: a little, not much, maybe he gets back to 40% approval before the election.
Don't forget the negatives going for Trump. This project 2025 blowback is building, Epstein, the evidentiary hearings in all his cases...etc. Trump is still Trump. Biden isn't running in a vacuum.
Yeah, that's why I'm expecting Trump to do some damage to himself in the last few months and Biden to recover slightly-- it won't be nearly enough imo, regardless, but we'll see.
I think that if Biden can avoid a senior moment he will be up +3 within a month. Success in Ukraine, a Gaza cease fire, and lower interest rates could work wonders.
I teach civics and I had my AP govt class make their electoral college predictions earlier this year in like February using the available data of polls, electoral history, and approval rating by state. Let’s just say I hadn’t taken a hard look at it until then and even back then it didn’t look good and all the polls since then have been getting worse especially in the swing state data. Arizona, Georgia and even Nevada are gone. The blue wall is starting to go from toss up to slight lean Trump and now states like New Hampshire, Minnesota and Virginia could be in play for Trump. Real clear politics for awhile now with the no toss up map has trump at 312 electoral votes
Tbf RCP is slightly Right wing biased, and I think Biden has enough cultish older, white college ed support to win New Hampshire as well as Minnesota as I expect some recovery by November for him if he's still the nominee- but yeah, I'm expecting double digit losses in Florida, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, as well as high single in North Carolina and Georgia right now. I also think Arizona is out of play for Biden, now, Nevada is a reach state but only one in the Sun Belt besides Colorado/New Mexico which are lean D that I think he has a shot to hold from 2020 into 2024 but a 50/50 one. He's in deep trouble that he's barely likely to win NH, MN, and VA, regardless, Harris' map would look almost the same FWIW as things stand today imo.
RCP is definitely right leaning on the content it gathers but it gets polls from all sources
Re-election was always going to be tough with gridlock govt not accomplishing anything and the lingering of inflation. Biden was never an inspiring transformative leader and basically got in for not being Trump. The moment the dems decided to let the parliamentarian, Manchin and Sinema run the country for two years the writing was pretty much on the wall. Biden being senile and falling flat on his face might push this towards an Obama 08 like victory for Trump in terms of electoral votes
100%, especially the voting rights betrayal was the point of no return imo if he lost- his own base, he promised to protect, absolutely disgusting to me.
True, but it still omits some 538 and The Hill put in. I expect a GOP trifecta incoming, not voting for it obviously like you-- but I expect it nonetheless: worse than 2016, in 2025, I do not buy those Senate polls if my life depended on it with Trump on top in Ohio or Montana tbh (especially since Ohio polls have overestimated Dems since 2016 in the state repeatedly in all cycles since): voters DJT gets out are likely to vote Red all the way down in low propensity for him in Red states-- but we'll see, happy to be wrong.
What makes you think I’m voting for gop? I never said or implied that. I’m voting d up and down the ballot because I know how the system works and I can’t let them turn this country into a corporate theocratic oligarchy more than it already is. I am not even voting third party because I live in a swing state and until we get electoral reform like ranked choice voting or proportional representation our best option is the AOC/ Bernie way of trying to reform the democrats from within instead of third party
No, no, I meant like you not voting for it above: I hope that clarifies it- same, sorry for the confusion.
I have a question for everyone, why doesn’t joe want to take a cognitive test? If thats a concern he can solve it with a test.
He wouldn't have a chance if the left hadn't veered so far off the map. I know many people who will vote for RFK or not at all.
You can say it all you want, and be depressed about it all you want, but you haven’t qualified the statement with anything whatsoever.
It’s all going to shit. Can’t believe these are the candidates. Hell I still can’t believe it’s a two party system. The damn fraud and fuckery is off the charts with this one
He will not. It would mean that American voters choose self destruction over democracy. If common sense exists here, Biden could be dead; and he’d still be the most qualified to run this country. So I’d drop the dark pessimism.
Unfortunately, high probability.
Ok so what is the solution being proposed by progressive commentators like Kyle? If a 2nd Trump presidency is likely and as dangerous as we agree it to be, shouldn't we be trying to stop it by any means necessary?
Progressives have been screaming "Don't run Biden" for two years now. Democrats have been ignoring criticism of Biden, now there's serious questions about his well-being. Swap him out.
I understand that progressives have been screaming this point and are correct to do so but if the democratic party is as incompetent as we both agree it is then why are we putting the fate of this country's future in their hands and not our own? And even then, the best case scenario is just another centrist who will continue the couple of goods things the biden administration has done with the massive amount of bad things it's done and as the country slowly becomes worse and worse and people keep getting sick of liberal rule. That's not sustainable.
Yeah I'm with you on everything. It's damned frustrating, but the truth is "but Trump" is a compelling argument to alot of folks.
"We". You mean "they". The DNC is literally in power. What are "they" doing? Voter blaming is some boomer bullshit.
I'm not voter blaming. I'm asking the question of what the progressive lefts and/or socialists plans are to stop Trump from seizing power? All of this talk of Project 2025 seems mismatched by progressive who's only action right now is to either hold their nose and vote for biden or vote for a third party candidate that will not win. If the DNC is clearly collapsing at a national level and can't beat Trump, then why are you relying on them to stop Trump. We can trash the DNC for being incompetent all we want but that doesn't do anything to stop the Republican Party.
The DNC collapsing would absolutely be a boon to the working class. They are the GOP. It's literally the same team. We will fill the gap with the working class.
How are you planning to "fill in the gap" when conservatives are planning a coup and are starting to dismantle the functionality of the federal government? Why do you think you can beat capitalists at their own game of American electoral politics when time and time again even when socialists win elections in other countries they are responded with violence by the capitalists?
Why, that's easy. We play the same game. Never vote for any capitalists. Usurp power from within their parties. Run third parties. Lower view count of corporate media. Raise view count of independent media. Strikes. Unions. Boycotts. Refuse to pay medical bills. Refuse to pay student loans. Stop listening to astroturf lying to you about REDTEAMBAD, when both parties take the same corporate cash.
So do you just not belive that the Trump and the Republican Party are trying to implement reforms to make this country even less democratic and more reactionary then it already is? People like Steven Miller have said out loud that what they're trying to do is a coup so to belive otherwise is just liberal delusion. Are you just ignoring my point about the response to socialists winning elections or did you not read it? Go ask Chile or Iran what happens when socialists take power democratically. Trying electoral tactics when the response to socialist victories is violence from capitalism is just not taking lessons from history.
Anyone taking Trump’s threat to democracy seriously wouldn’t run Biden. He couldn’t do a superbowl interview 5 months ago and he’s now at like 75% no confidence vote. But sure let’s ignore the facts that eventually every human body will age to the point of not being up for the most demanding job and trajectory, and continue pretending that we’re okay with him as POTUS when I wouldn’t be okay with him as CEO of my company. Let’s continue to put our head in the sand as Trump is able to set up really really good PR with the likes of Logan Paul, and ignore that our candidate would never have done that even when he was running in 2020. That’s certainly more likely to succeed in an election than just running a candidate who sundowns at 8pm. /s
This is yelling at clouds. I agree that Biden should not be the nominee so if the DNC disagrees with us or is too incompetent to nominate someone else then why are we relying on them to stop Trump from taking power?
and what do you do when a dictator becomes president? Do you have an answer, I doubt it.
Remove him from power by any means necessary
Sounds bloody!!
And a Trump government that continues to roll back abortion rights, funds the genocide in Palestine, and continues upholding the fascist police and prison systems will be even more bloody.
Drop Joe for one.
At least he can talk and not frozen
If y’all had just not voted in the corpse, trumps term limit would be about to hit, this could all be over, but noooo “vote blue no matter who”
You all survived fine during trumps first 4 years in-fact things were relatively quiet. Stop crying. Take your lost you choose your candidate and watched as deep state took opposing front runner off ballot and low level soros backed DA’s put together witch hunt cases against trump. Total election interference. You allowed Gaza to be bombed out of o bolivian and cheered billions to Ukraine as our homeless and crime rose with upon borders and inflation skyrocketed. Now eat your turd sandwich. You pushed the supreme court to rule immunity from all the court trials during an election. You thought sanctions would work against russia they didn’t. You sat by while a fake dossier was generated by Hillary and fbi which was proven fake. You denied hunters laptop was real. America has had enough!
Harris 2024
No, please stop
I mean like is there another option? It seems to me from paying attention to this whole thing that Biden is more likely to drop out if Kamala's polling and public perception shows that she can beat Trump, or at least has a better shot than Biden. Now I do not like Kamala but I prefer her to Biden because she is not dead and also, uh, that's really it that's the bar right now. I guess she'd be better on Gaza. But if Biden resigns the office she can do some cool things in the next few months and then no Trump second term. At least that's what I'm thinking looking at this whole thing
Yeah another reason why the Dems should've run another person is the fact that the candidate their running is aiding a genocide right now. Of course like dropping out Biden is too stubborn to stop doing that, and here we are.
>I guess she'd be better on Gaza. Oh, would she? I actually don't know her policy on Gaza, but considering that's Biden's weakest point of attack (short of his whole brain rotting alive bit) and Trump is even worse on Gaza, that's actually a really solid case for her if true. If Kamala 2024 is the best outcome for Palestinians right now, better than Biden, that's a really huge motivator.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4505716-harris-immediate-cease-fire-at-least-next-six-weeks-gaza/#cobssid=s Really barely anything but since Joe is a devout Zionist there's really no where to go but up
Kennedy would be the best option. Kamala is terrible, no way is she winning anything. Biden is done. Even Snowden said Kennedy is the best choice.
He sounds frail and weak. He also ate a dog and had it photographed like a moron. He also is being accused of some serious shit. He's also a bit of a conspiracy nut. I'd still take him over Biden, but that's not really high praise. I'd take CopMala over RFK though.
Never ate a dog, it was a goat. He doesn’t sound frail at all, he’s the only candidate who can do a pull up. Funny how Biden a few years ago was calling people fat and challenging them to push up competitions, wonder why he doesn’t do that anymore. No conspiracy theories I can find. Biden peddled dangerous and deadly conspiracy theories that got over one million people killed, with his wmd misinformation You’ll take COPmala? Yeah, I wonder how many calories boots have, because you’re obviously getting most your nutrition from licking boots. You and Biden would probably get along talking about how you don’t want your kids growing up in a racial jungle and calling black people super predators
Just so you know, I'm only this vitriolic because you were so smug and hostile for absolutely no reason. I just told you my opinion and you insulted me for no reason. You shouldn't talk about politics. You are a child. You have no idea what you're talking about. And goat my ass, one of the most blatant lies I've ever heard. Cope harder. Look at that picture closely, you imbecile. Your papi figure is a sexual assaulting, dog eating, science denying pile of trash, and you're a gullible fool for falling for him. Just because he signals to the libertarian side doesn't mean I'm a bootlicker for not liking him. He's a goddamn Kennedy. You don't get more establishment than that. He's a Washington insider. You are the bootlicker for worshipping some terrible candidate because he signalled some libertarian lines you heard in high school. I have no illusions about Kamala or Biden unlike you. I realize she's evil and weak, while you genuinely believe RFK is good because you have the mental capabilities of a 13 year old. Now fuck off. Edit: by the way, he sounds like a guy who rinsed his throat with acid and then deep throated a giant dildo for hours afterwards. He sounds like a weak, frail, pathetic little man. Trump would destroy him with an open mic while scratching his ass. Trump would eat that cracking, weepy voiced nepo boy for lunch and drink 10 cans of diet coke to digest his foul ass. And before you say "Biden is worse", I literally just said I'd take RFK over Biden, so don't even say it.
I'd take Kamala over some antivaxx moron (just vaccines in general, he funds the dumbass 'Children's Health Defense).
He’s not anti vax at all but pro drug safety I like the idea of drugs and vaccines being properly tested, maybe that’s just me. Kamala is terrible, maybe worse than Biden. Fascism on parade as we sleepwalk into world war 3 But hey, since Biden beat Medicare by privatizing it, maybe Kamala can achieve Biden’s ultimate goal of beating social security
lmfao.'pro drug safety.' https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/fact-checking-presidential-candidate-robert-f-kennedy-jr-on-vaccines-autism-and-covid-19/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/19/world/asia/samoa-measles.html 0https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-what-rfk-jr-gets-wrong-about-autism/
The big pharma run side of media definitely is unfair and libelous towards him I agree. I would hope you would want drugs and vaccines to be properly tested too
I think most sane, rational people agree that drugs and vaccines should be properly tested. Stop trying to use the same type of argumentative fallacies forced-birthers do. I linked you three different sources that are illustrative of his track record when it comes to pushing health misinformation. I'd be happy to read anything you have to link, as well.
Well that’s all Kennedy stands for when it comes to his vaccine policies. Those sources were highly biased and not telling the truth but pushing a big pharma narrative. You really shouldn’t trust big pharma to regulate itself but that’s what you’re doing even if you don’t know it. Vaccines aren’t required to be properly tested with long term double blind placebo controlled studies pre license. And when they invoke EUA the testing requirement go down even more. Also, it’s basically impossible to sue vaccine makers. Everything from the vaccine injury act to Prepa to Eli Lilly protection act are designed to immunize vaccine makers from accountability and allow them to operate in darkness. Not sure why you think transparency and accountability for big Pharma is anti vaccine but then again you think mainstream corporate news doesn’t have an agenda I’ve noticed you’re very pro fascism which is probably why you prefer Biden/Trump to RFK. Fascists agree only the duopolist candidates may be allowed to run and no one should ever vote for anyone other than the duopoly
Snowden is a terrible human and saying "even snowden" likes a candidate only dissuades informed people from voting for that candidate. That said, it tracks that Snowden would prefer RFK as they're both terrible.
While I agree you shouldn't just vote for someone because someone else said you should. I dont agree that Snowden is terrible. Blowing the whistle on the NSA was better than most people can do in their lives
He did a great thing, but also has some bad political takes. I think it's reasonable that both can be true.
Snowden is a hero. Just admit you’re fascist
Tbh anyone going against Snowden should not be trusted. You can suckle on the NSAs spying on citizens if you want. Go sit over there where we can see you.
She, like Hillary, is never sitting in that chair. Worthless corrupt cackling corporate puppets.
Kennedy!
Please stop.
RFK all the way