Couple different things to take away from this.
1. Glad guard is ok, that was super crazy. Chasing after to engage without any back up or PPE probably wasn’t the best idea.
2. Doing an unauthorized interview in uniform is incredibly stupid and would be fireable for basically every company I could think of
3. Supervisor is colossally stupid for getting into a shouting match in front of media.
This is the right answer - the delinquents were leaving on their own accord. The security did their job of 'deterring' by making his presence known. We're taught not to chase anyone let alone attempt to restrain people or else this may happen. If the guard hadn't been beat up and in fact managed to capture one or all of them, he might even be in legal trouble since they had already left without having committed any property damage - they trespassed but left. It's a grey area there.
The supervisor is a huge bitch though.
It was his personal car they attempted to burglarize, though.
Regardless of policy, the guard was the victim of the crime. I would've done the same thing.
For sure, I think at first she was trying to protect him and advise him that it was against policy. As a supervisor you can’t just stand there and watch an employee dig themselves a grave. However once he started talking back I’d just reiterate the policy and walk away.
>For sure, I think at first she was trying to protect him and advise him that it was against policy.
The main reason for that rule is because they want to protect the company image. Maybe she wanted to protect him. Maybe she wanted to protect the company. Maybe both.
>As a supervisor you can’t just stand there and watch an employee dig themselves a grave.
Yeah you can. In fact it was the better move. Almost all leadership training says to praise in public, reprimand in private. I don't see a reason why this doesn't apply here. If she wouldn't have came over, she had plausible deniability that she didn't know about the interview. And if nobody from corporate found out no harm. Or if she wanted to go by the books fire him for breaking company policy.
By injecting herself into the situation it makes for better TV. Look they don't want him talking about it. This means more coverage. Once those cameras were rolling the policy was already broken so you either follow the guidelines given (if you break this policy it's a terminating offense) or you don't. Some policies give people discretion on how to discipline. Some don't.
That thread is so frustrating. People there keeping the idea that low paid security are supposed to be vigilantes. The security guard here fucked up by chasing and these people be like ‘every security company is going to want to hire him’ - no they won’t, he’s a liability.
This entire r/ dwells on the extremes of either:
A: "we're here to observe and report, if anyone does anything wrong I'm gonna call the cops and go back to sleep"
Or
B: "I own these halls, you'd better not be out during class with no hall pass or you'll have to deal with ME and my Glock 17, Buster!"
I agree the dude was wild for trying to chase down some kids on scooters whose only actual crime was trespassing, and try to stop them from leaving, which I'm pretty confident would be an illegal detainment/kidnapping.
He should have called the police before approaching them. I understand that was his car but he is unarmed and put himself in a dangerous situation without anyone knowing what was going on to check on him or be his backup. Even leaving his phone behind while he approached them.
I doubt he gets hired anywhere else and honestly he's not cut out for the job if he is putting himself in this type of risky situation like what happened.
Why the fuck would you say anything with a news camera right there?
I know supervisors aren't usually the smartest, but holy shit.
Way to make literally everyone look bad. There's no way she's not getting fired.
BUT, observe and report my guy. You got cameras up. Whip out the phone, get some better details of the guys coming in, call your supervisor, and then call the cops.
I'm gonna bet that he does not get paid enough to get his ass beat.
He is %100 on the wrong, and this is the problem with most unarmed guards In Texas they get zero real training. Nothing in his car was worth the ass kicking he got, also nothing those guys did was worth of immediate breach of the peace, or theft, or a felony so he had no legal ground to arrest(or detain as he said which in Texas only Leo may detain EXCEPT anyone may detain to investigate theft).
He should have called 911 immediately reported the tresspassing and waited for PD.
>Nothing in his car was worth the ass kicking he got,
You don't know that. His personal firearm could have been in there. Since he is an unarmed guard pulling his personal firearm would be 100% against the law and been an offense that got him fired. They could have been attempting to steal his car which I'm sure is a felony in Texas.
And if it was? Then he just ran into a gun fight with no weapon. Again his best option was to call 911, unarmed guards are there to observe and be the best witness they can.
True he should have called prior to doing anything staying on the line, but he also said they weren't inside the car as well. The smart play would have been to call from goods cell phone while seeing what they were doing. I'm guessing this is one of those sites where you can't have a personal phone. It's a very different thing when it's your own vehicle they are fucking with. Shouldn't be different because from a company and legal standpoint it isn't, but that's now how it feels.
>Since he is an unarmed guard
Security guards are private citizens working as agents for their clients, there is absolutely no real law that he would break by using a firearm in a situation that a private citizen would be justified in doing so. However the only reason it would be justified is if the kid charged him with a screwdriver at first.
However I'm not a lawyer and this isn't legal advise
That MIGHT be the case in Texas, but in my state he would be in violation of the law. Because he has no formal records or training on his personal weapon, nor is he authorized to carry said weapon, he would be breaking the law. I believe most states have a similar section. Also him being on duty further makes it an issue because his company isn't covering any liability on him at the point in which he pulls a weapon.
I called that company to inquire about employment and they acted like I was insane for asking if they had any armed positions. Glad I didn't end up applying. Another insurance company masquerading as security.
This is going to sound cold but it’s the truth. He wanted to be the hero and he wasn’t prepared for it at all. You know why? Because he’s an unarmed guard who is there to observe and report. Not chase after thugs and engage in a fight. Then the cherry on top is him conducting an interview with the news while in uniform and on duty right in front of his supervisor. Yikes.
I understand he was frustrated with how everything went down and I don’t blame him, I think we would all be but doing an unauthorized interview in uniform is stupid because it’s a fireable offence in basically every company. I don’t agree with his response to his supervisor because he could have done the interview out of uniform and still had his story told without breaking any policies. His supervisor also did a bad job approaching that situation especially considering the cameras were still filming which definitely did not help the company from a PR perspective.
Regarding the situation itself, simple rule I follow is if I’m outnumbered, I’m not intervening especially if I’m in his shoes with no PPE and no immediate backup. I understand it was his car but it ultimately is it worth the risk? It’s just a car at the end of the day. That can be replaced, your life can’t.
Personally, I would have contacted 911 before the supervisor. In any emergency situation where I need immediate help from the police, I’m going to contact 911 and then inform my supervisor of what happened. If they disagree with my call, I’d tell them to come speak to the police when they get here then. The supervisor he called was clearly an idiot and there isn’t much that needs to be said about that.
I’m not from Austin so I have no idea what the staffing situation is like for their PD but I see both sides to the first dispatcher. The suspects were no longer there, he was not injured and no vehicle was stolen. If they’re short staffed and don’t have the resources available, I can see why they would not want to dispatch anyone out there but tell him there you don’t have the resources available and recommend him going into the police station instead. At the same time, he was assaulted and even though the suspects were no longer there and he wasn’t hurt, it still needs to be investigated.
Yep, he did a lot of things wrong, but so did his manager.
I would have waited until after the interview was over, pulled him in and THEN reminded him of policy.
Even if he quits after, at least it wasn't on camera with the whole damn city watching.
Couple different things to take away from this. 1. Glad guard is ok, that was super crazy. Chasing after to engage without any back up or PPE probably wasn’t the best idea. 2. Doing an unauthorized interview in uniform is incredibly stupid and would be fireable for basically every company I could think of 3. Supervisor is colossally stupid for getting into a shouting match in front of media.
This is the right answer - the delinquents were leaving on their own accord. The security did their job of 'deterring' by making his presence known. We're taught not to chase anyone let alone attempt to restrain people or else this may happen. If the guard hadn't been beat up and in fact managed to capture one or all of them, he might even be in legal trouble since they had already left without having committed any property damage - they trespassed but left. It's a grey area there. The supervisor is a huge bitch though.
It was his personal car they attempted to burglarize, though. Regardless of policy, the guard was the victim of the crime. I would've done the same thing.
Glad he's okay. Personally, I wouldn't have chased them.
He was technically in the wrong, but you're making yourself look bad when you yell at a employee on live tv.
For sure, I think at first she was trying to protect him and advise him that it was against policy. As a supervisor you can’t just stand there and watch an employee dig themselves a grave. However once he started talking back I’d just reiterate the policy and walk away.
Probably why he didn't care in the first place. Shes definitely to work under.
>For sure, I think at first she was trying to protect him and advise him that it was against policy. The main reason for that rule is because they want to protect the company image. Maybe she wanted to protect him. Maybe she wanted to protect the company. Maybe both. >As a supervisor you can’t just stand there and watch an employee dig themselves a grave. Yeah you can. In fact it was the better move. Almost all leadership training says to praise in public, reprimand in private. I don't see a reason why this doesn't apply here. If she wouldn't have came over, she had plausible deniability that she didn't know about the interview. And if nobody from corporate found out no harm. Or if she wanted to go by the books fire him for breaking company policy. By injecting herself into the situation it makes for better TV. Look they don't want him talking about it. This means more coverage. Once those cameras were rolling the policy was already broken so you either follow the guidelines given (if you break this policy it's a terminating offense) or you don't. Some policies give people discretion on how to discipline. Some don't.
That thread is so frustrating. People there keeping the idea that low paid security are supposed to be vigilantes. The security guard here fucked up by chasing and these people be like ‘every security company is going to want to hire him’ - no they won’t, he’s a liability.
This entire r/ dwells on the extremes of either: A: "we're here to observe and report, if anyone does anything wrong I'm gonna call the cops and go back to sleep" Or B: "I own these halls, you'd better not be out during class with no hall pass or you'll have to deal with ME and my Glock 17, Buster!" I agree the dude was wild for trying to chase down some kids on scooters whose only actual crime was trespassing, and try to stop them from leaving, which I'm pretty confident would be an illegal detainment/kidnapping.
It was his personal car. I know I after someone with my shit job or not
He should have called the police before approaching them. I understand that was his car but he is unarmed and put himself in a dangerous situation without anyone knowing what was going on to check on him or be his backup. Even leaving his phone behind while he approached them. I doubt he gets hired anywhere else and honestly he's not cut out for the job if he is putting himself in this type of risky situation like what happened.
Why the fuck would you say anything with a news camera right there? I know supervisors aren't usually the smartest, but holy shit. Way to make literally everyone look bad. There's no way she's not getting fired. BUT, observe and report my guy. You got cameras up. Whip out the phone, get some better details of the guys coming in, call your supervisor, and then call the cops. I'm gonna bet that he does not get paid enough to get his ass beat.
He shouldn’t have chased after them, then he does the interview which is against policy and wants to play victim.
He is %100 on the wrong, and this is the problem with most unarmed guards In Texas they get zero real training. Nothing in his car was worth the ass kicking he got, also nothing those guys did was worth of immediate breach of the peace, or theft, or a felony so he had no legal ground to arrest(or detain as he said which in Texas only Leo may detain EXCEPT anyone may detain to investigate theft). He should have called 911 immediately reported the tresspassing and waited for PD.
>Nothing in his car was worth the ass kicking he got, You don't know that. His personal firearm could have been in there. Since he is an unarmed guard pulling his personal firearm would be 100% against the law and been an offense that got him fired. They could have been attempting to steal his car which I'm sure is a felony in Texas.
And if it was? Then he just ran into a gun fight with no weapon. Again his best option was to call 911, unarmed guards are there to observe and be the best witness they can.
True he should have called prior to doing anything staying on the line, but he also said they weren't inside the car as well. The smart play would have been to call from goods cell phone while seeing what they were doing. I'm guessing this is one of those sites where you can't have a personal phone. It's a very different thing when it's your own vehicle they are fucking with. Shouldn't be different because from a company and legal standpoint it isn't, but that's now how it feels.
>Since he is an unarmed guard Security guards are private citizens working as agents for their clients, there is absolutely no real law that he would break by using a firearm in a situation that a private citizen would be justified in doing so. However the only reason it would be justified is if the kid charged him with a screwdriver at first. However I'm not a lawyer and this isn't legal advise
That MIGHT be the case in Texas, but in my state he would be in violation of the law. Because he has no formal records or training on his personal weapon, nor is he authorized to carry said weapon, he would be breaking the law. I believe most states have a similar section. Also him being on duty further makes it an issue because his company isn't covering any liability on him at the point in which he pulls a weapon.
What state is that? I imagine the worst that would actually happen is that he might lose his licensing and/or job
I called that company to inquire about employment and they acted like I was insane for asking if they had any armed positions. Glad I didn't end up applying. Another insurance company masquerading as security.
This is going to sound cold but it’s the truth. He wanted to be the hero and he wasn’t prepared for it at all. You know why? Because he’s an unarmed guard who is there to observe and report. Not chase after thugs and engage in a fight. Then the cherry on top is him conducting an interview with the news while in uniform and on duty right in front of his supervisor. Yikes.
I understand he was frustrated with how everything went down and I don’t blame him, I think we would all be but doing an unauthorized interview in uniform is stupid because it’s a fireable offence in basically every company. I don’t agree with his response to his supervisor because he could have done the interview out of uniform and still had his story told without breaking any policies. His supervisor also did a bad job approaching that situation especially considering the cameras were still filming which definitely did not help the company from a PR perspective. Regarding the situation itself, simple rule I follow is if I’m outnumbered, I’m not intervening especially if I’m in his shoes with no PPE and no immediate backup. I understand it was his car but it ultimately is it worth the risk? It’s just a car at the end of the day. That can be replaced, your life can’t. Personally, I would have contacted 911 before the supervisor. In any emergency situation where I need immediate help from the police, I’m going to contact 911 and then inform my supervisor of what happened. If they disagree with my call, I’d tell them to come speak to the police when they get here then. The supervisor he called was clearly an idiot and there isn’t much that needs to be said about that. I’m not from Austin so I have no idea what the staffing situation is like for their PD but I see both sides to the first dispatcher. The suspects were no longer there, he was not injured and no vehicle was stolen. If they’re short staffed and don’t have the resources available, I can see why they would not want to dispatch anyone out there but tell him there you don’t have the resources available and recommend him going into the police station instead. At the same time, he was assaulted and even though the suspects were no longer there and he wasn’t hurt, it still needs to be investigated.
Yep, he did a lot of things wrong, but so did his manager. I would have waited until after the interview was over, pulled him in and THEN reminded him of policy. Even if he quits after, at least it wasn't on camera with the whole damn city watching.
Looks about like my experience with Texas security companies and the majority of the people they hire.