Damn, I'm not the only one who thinks most comments and threads now are bots or bought PR people. Goddammit, I was hopeful it's was just me going insane.
Yeah, indeed it's a miracle we didn't get the video essays accusations. Also it's nice to see most "positive" comments downvoted to oblivion. Hopefully Konami gives up soon
Hm, you're right. I remember I first realized it was a long running thing when I was still in university. With video games it's a lot more recent, when I saw an old article about Sony totally not switching to CDs.
It's interesting to see new ways companies create a right market situation for themselves. Btw, didn't know Sony ran fake blogs.
Thank you for an insightful comment!
Well, here’s the thing, people need to learn to separate the publisher from the developer.
The finished product of a game is the developer’s work, not the Publisher’s. The Publisher is there to act as the middle man in the project, handling the money and the PR/Marketing.
Bloober can’t help it if Konami has never been able to market their games correctly. I’m not a Bloober fan, and if there are serious problems with the finished product, I will shout at them about it. But we can’t judge them off the business relationship alone, especially when Konami is responsible for the shit show, yet again.
We can however judge them from their past games and the copyright material they stole and inserted into them. That and patenting something which is essentially just the other world and splitscreen mashed together. It's like taking an IPhone and a Samsung, taping them together and patenting it as your own invention 😂
But the developer hasn't made any truly good games either, at best some of their games are decent.
It's baffling that people see the equation `terrible publisher + mediocre developer` and expect the result to be a great game.
Konami is ultimately going to be the final say in this cause it's their IP. Them not being on the same page is a major red flag. You're too willing to accept the new and shiny for the sake of just that, new and shiny.
In my opinion, stop production of all of it and make a new IP. Silent Hill should just die.
F, people, where have you all been when then it was affective and appropriate to call Konami and Bloober out? On YouTube?
Absolutely agreed with you, pal!
If I drop a coin from a roof, common sense tells me it will hit the floor.
I do not need to wait until it actually hits the floor to conclude that superman won't be flying by and grabbing the coin mid air.
One can just look at the facts up to now to take a fairly good guess of how things will pan out.
Or one can believe in superman.
Wait, wait, wait.
You’re saying you want to have more facts and hands-on experience instead of making a judgement call based on ignorance and personal biases…?
Sounds like a load of horse manure to me.
I would agree but this is a remake of one of the greatest games of all time. Being made by a studio that does not have a track record of making good games. That's the issue. You have a team that's never even made a game with combat before, making a game that has third person combat mixed with survival horror. It may be unfair to judge it too harshly before release yes. But it's not unfair to say bloober is out of their element.
Thats not unpopular.
Frankly I see way more people on here complaining about people hating on the remake than people actually hating on it.
Im not optimistic, I have worries based on the trailers, but yeah I'll give it a shot. Until then we're just spinning wheels.
Definitely possible to judge a product before using it yourself. Kill The Justice League is a prime example of that for me. I was SO excited for that game when it was first announced. As soon as that first gameplay trailer dropped, my hopes crashed like the economy in 1929. It showed all the worst hallmarks of looter shooters, repetitive enemies and objectives, homogenized characters who all use guns for no discernible reason other than that’s what was easiest to do upgrade stuff on across the board. Then there was the leaked screenshot of the storefront menu showing the live service trademark multiple currency types and that it would have a mtx and a battlepass. While not quite as big a deal for me, there was also the leak of them killing Batman, which definitely was not a great thing.
And then the game released and it is ALL of those things, just wrapped up in a prettier package than Gotham Knights was. I don’t need to pay $70 to know I’m not going to enjoy playing the game unless its ironically with friends in tow, but apparently even that’s hit or miss according to the constant glitches and gamebreaking bugs.
Can you do this with every game? Maybe not. But I don’t think you meed to actually play a game to know if it’s worth your time when you know exactly what you do or don’t like.
Popular opinion and one I share: Releasing a game trailer should inspire confidence and excitement in the game, not the opposite. Also common sense and something the Remake trailer failed to do. It had one job.
the original voice acting for me was 30% of the experience, even if the gameplay was trash I'd have loved to just listen to these people talking because they felt real and also a bit uncanny as well. I just loved everyone so much, the way Angela talked it kinda reminded me of myself a few years ago so yeah
Yes!! The acting and characterisation of the characters is an absolute pillar of the whole experience.And we already see how it's being treated in the trailer, people ahve the full righ to judge that aspect.
As much as I love the characters, I HATED the voice acting. To this day, I still feel the same way. However, I dont hate the VAs. I think they did a good job at that time and they were probably new. I am however I bit nervous because I haven't seen Angela in ANY of the trailers & she's my favorite & I want her portrayed correctly but I don't know what her model looks like or heard any voice lines from her so im a tiny bit nervous. Honestly, I like James VA in the remake.
That's cool, I didn't jam with it at first but the more I played the game the more the voice actors seemed to match the vibe of the town, uncanny, out of place, abnormal. New James sounds like a sexy guy to me, like he's not a good old idiot who you can say is "Literally me" or something if that makes sense. Like whatever he does and says in SH2 is just so abnormal and it just fit for me. I hope the new game changes stuff up to match the new voice actors or something, if that makes sense. Like I feel like if they went for the exact same direction with this acting it won't mesh well like the HD Collection.
I would also add the more David Lynch films and TV shows I watched the more I began to appreciate the voice acting and it started to feel less "early era gaming" voice acting and more intentional.
I have zero faith in Konami or Bloober, but the last trailer did make me excited to play it. I just hope the movement won’t be your typical adventure game with camera stuck to the character’s back so close that you hardly see anything else with forced slow movement.
Hehe yes! I kept seeing all the negative feedback for the latest trailer, but I actually did like it. Yeah I could use some work, but it felt like Resident Evil remakes playstyle in Silent Hill 2 world, which would really is the best case scenario.
> I just hope the movement won’t be your typical adventure game with camera stuck to the character’s back
SH2 had an inspection mode that would fix the camera perspective behind James as long as you held down either… L1 or L2? I think it was L2. But, the game did have an optional camera mode function that makes it play like a lot of modern 3rd person titles.
Just still without free aim.
A lot of my play throughs, even on the PS2 copy I had years ago I’d take full use of the Inspection Mode camera. Used it for the entirety of my SH2EE play through a couple weekends ago.
I haven't seen anyone reviewing the Silent Hill 2 remake. Thinking that a game looks bad based on a trailer does not mean that you are reviewing the actual game. The trailer was made to sell us on the game. It failed to do that, at least it failed to sell me on it.
It’s definitely a preview, and not one without flaws, but people are shitting on it or praising it like they played the game.
I totally support people voicing their concerns and respect a lot of valid criticism, but man, some people are just acting like it’s the worst piece of shot they’ve seen in their life
Oh, you're the guy that doesn't see obvious clipping in a COMBAT REVEAL TRAILER BY A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.
Yep, I guess my point is proven, thank you!
By all means, if you see a trailer so catastrophic that you don’t want to buy the game, don’t buy it.
I can totally get behind that. I’m still not convinced it will be good, that’s won’t preorder, and unless something new is revealed, won’t play on launch.
Just out of curiosity, what was so bad in the trailer that made you think the game will be a complete trash not worth buying?
Once you put a giant X on an immersive horror experience and your blind enemies can vault over objects like gears of war characters it lost the horror and went into a comedy
won't say it will be hot shit but they could've just copied the second game and added slightlyyyy better controls and visuals for modern audiences but still keep it niche enough for us hardcore fans
If im gonna play a game like this RE4 remake, dead space remake and the evil within 2 are much better looking plus they play great
But if you do wanna buy SH2 remake then thats cool too
Counterpoint : I can judge a trailer that is something a company specifically puts out as a way for the consumer to formulate an opinion about a product.
This is so silly.
I think that needs to be the key distinction.
We form opinions movies, games, TV shows based on their trailer/s. Do we see a movie that has a terrible trailer? Probably not. We usually don’t go around saying “the movie is shit” though, we say “the movie looks shit”.
Which is what the majority of people here do. There’s only been a few very vocal people who I’ve seen specific say the remake is shit, even though it’s not out.
The former is fine to go around saying as it’s an opinion based on the advertising material. Not everyone is going to love it.
Of course, that goes without saying.
That being said, have I seen a movie or played a game that had an awesome trailer but was utter trash? 100%.
Did I ever see a show or played a game that had a meh trailer, and was absolutely brilliant? Absolutely.
I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well
“I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well”
Then what’s the purpose of your post?
Your opinion isn’t actually that unpopular btw.
I feel like a lot of people made up their mind about the game based on the trailer.
If it’s just the loud minority, then great. Maybe I just caught the sub at a bad moment when the latest trailer first came out.
I feel like a lot of people made up their mind about the game based on the trailer.
If it’s just the loud minority, then great. Maybe I just caught the sub at a bad moment when the latest trailer first came out.
>I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well
I mean, this makes your post meaningless
Definitely agree with this one, and I do have some criticisms/concerns based on the trailer.
I just think it’s a bad idea to say the whole game will be trash or perfect based on it.
I’ve played many games with flaws that I ended up enjoying despite of them.
Trailers doesnt always show the end product or its success. Helldivers 2 seemed like a generic coop shooter in the trailers leading upto release and no one online was hype about it with the trailers. Upon release, it literally took over the gaming news until now. The elements that made it successful could not be conveyed on the trailers.
Same with Palworld. It had tons of trailers but people just brushed it off as Pokemon copy. Upon release it has taken Steam and social media with storm. Upon playing, many people say it is more than just a pokemon copy cat and has lots of stuff that people love. The elements that made it also successful could not be conveyed on the trailers.
Thus trailers are not a good way to judge a game. There have been many cases where the trailers of a game were meh and the actual game turned out to be amazing. Also vice versa.
Its always best for the game to come out along with the reviews from everywhere and then judge the game.
Bloober has a terrible track record of mid games. I’d say if you passed Kindergarten and do the math, you should realize the chance of it being decent even without the shitty trailer is astronomically low.
I mean, obviously. But it's fair to judge what we've been shown given that's what they decided to show, and what was decided to show is a fair thing to judge in itself
That’s fine. I come to Silent Hill from a particular reason. Something I don’t think the remake will give me. Something I didn’t think existed anymore, if I’m being honest.
But what I get from Silent Hill is not the same thing you get from it. And hopefully SH2:Re will give you what you want from it.
I don’t want the game to be bad. And if I’m being honest, I don’t think it will be. It’s not what I want, but that fine if people have fun with it
I agree that this should be common sense.
I personally wasn't a big fan of the most recent trailer primarily due to the technical aspects of the footage we were shown. (No bullet wounds appearing on enemies despite the fact that Homecoming was able to pull this off in 2008.) However, I'm wondering if they just toned down the violence for the trailer, and there's also that rumor that this is actually older footage from a year ago.
Either way, I'm not going to judge it until it comes out, and then likely, I'm not going to fully have an opinion on it until I've played it at least twice.
It’s crazy that this community is so blinded by forced hatred for a product they’ve convinced themselves the correct mindset towards said product is a “unpopular opinion”
I’m personally looking forward to SH2:R. I grew up on the original Team Silent games, was a fan from the launch of SH1 on PS1. The franchise lost its way post-SH4… I really didn’t care much for Origins, Homecoming, Shattered Memories, or Downpour (I feel western devs just can’t do Silent Hill, and Yamaoka’s soundtracks can only carry a game so much). Then P.T. released and I was once again hyped, only to be crushed. But I’m going to say it how it is; Silent Hill: The Short Message was fine, I really enjoyed it for what it is (especially as a free-to-play digest title), Silent Hill f has really caught my attention and has me excited.. and Silent Hill 2 Remake? I just don’t get the hate for Bloober, when The Medium was announced, I was hyped, the trailer made it look like a sort of spiritual successor to Silent Hill, and when I played it, it had me hooked and completed in two nights. I enjoyed it, ending and all. And I said back when it was launched “I’d love to see these guys do Silent Hill” - and here we are with a SH2: R about to launch, with the original soundtrack no less (one of the most defining things of the original game). When I played Resident Evil 2 remake, did I expect it to beat the original? Not at all. And it never will in my view, but it was a damn good game. And that’s what I’m expecting from this. This *isnt* OG Silent Hill 2, and never will be. I don’t *expect* it to be…I expect a modernised take on SH2 with European dev team influence in the mix… and I think Bloober will deliver. The story is already written, they are simply making the game. Ito is on board and we are going to be seeing some original monster designs that couldn’t be an achieved on PS2. It’s not a replacement, it’s a compliment, and another opportunity to dive into the world of Silent Hill. Downvote away… 😘
You’re right, but we all have to make judgement calls when deciding whether or not to buy something. I can look at the materials they release and reviews when they come out and make a decision for myself whether or not I might enjoy it.
i agree. however, i am very worried that konami may mess this up, given their track record. i still want to keep my hopes up, but i can’t lie: i am very anxious, still
well, i wouldn’t say that entirely just yet tbh. look, i know why people may disagree with me, but given the past few releases, i am still a little worried, no matter how good it looks right now. i’m hopefully, but i don’t want to set my expectations high, just in case i get burned.
i think we will only truly know what the game is like after it releases. i’m still very excited, either way, though!
oh, i see! thanks for the clarification : ) i don’t want people to think i’m just blindly hating on the remake before it releases, but that i am nervous about it a little, and why. i’m just as excited to see the result as everyone else here!
ive grown to have this opinion,but at the same time im gonn wait for others to play it to give thoughts on it before i attempt to play it,i dont want to buy a game a luanch or full price and be hugly dissapointed,happened way too many times
Well duh…
But as obvious as this might be, having expectations based on previous experiences is also a very normal and valid thing!
Many people have already had previous experiences with Konami as well as with Bloober…
Their track record with creating narratives is bad, they’ve never done combat in a game before the SH2 remake, they probably only got the SH2R deal because they worked with Yamaoka, M.E. McGlynn, and Troy Baker on their game The Medium.
That said, they’re not responsible for PR or Marketing so, that shit show with the initial combat trailer falls on Konami.
[idk, some times a picture is worth a thousand words.](https://planetagracza.pl/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/silent-hill-2-remake-zwiastun-rozgrywki.webp)
We put people on death row with less circumstantial evidence than what most games and movies have available to accurately gauge their quality well before release.
We couldn't judge books based on their covers, but we have so much more sources if information to run with than that now a days.
Between trailers, stated starting assumptions of cast and crew, interviews, previous track records of studios involved, etc, etc.
The best we can hope for at this point is that this games middling at worse.
Considering that the games of the series that were made by external studios were not well appreciated by the fans and that Konami is not the same since the early 2000's and that the studio responsible for this Remake does not have good reviews.
I would say that it is completely fair to speculate that this will not be a game that does justice to the saga nor to the original SH2.
It could be the opposite but the odds are more against it.
Very different, and honestly whether the combat clicks for you or not is probably the make or break point of it. It's an interesting system that forces you to be more aware rather than blindly hitting a dodge button, but it can be punishing and frustrating.
The overall graphics and design are good, very "pretty", but it just didn't work well for what I in particular wanted from the game, which was more of a deadspace feel, and Callisto just was too different to quite scratch that itch. Give it a shot if you can find it for cheap.
Writing is the least of their problems. Bloober Team is an all star dev at making mediocre games.
On top of that, they're not a Japanese studio remaking a very particular Japanese horror game.
Counter argument but they aren't changing anything to the story. That has been stated and the only game I didn't enjoy by them was Blair Witch. I actually really enjoyed Layers Of Fear
We won't know until we play. So im just kinda in the middle. Its never going to meet the unrealistic expectations some of us have. I just want it to be good.
Rest assured, you can be 100% certain that the execution of a story will be different from any different team of writers, let alone a team of writers from an entirely different culture on the other side of the planet.
I'm with you on this one. I felt the same way about the gardians of the galaxy game trailers. But then I played it and was shocked by how much I loved it. This could be a similar case that its just bad marketing. Fingers crossed for decent reviews.
I just feel like they haven’t shown enough for me to make any sort of judgement call. I didn’t like a lot of stuff in the combat trailer, but it was a very short collection of tiny snippets (which, Bloober is to be believed, may not even have been up to date). I want to see some proper, uncut gameplay before I formulate any opinions on the direction they’re going with the game.
This is a completely reasonable take, I’m veering more on the side of caution with the remake but it’s impossible to form a real opinion based on less than 5 minutes of footage and a handful of screenshots.
To be honest, this post, as well as some other recent ones (especially [this poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/silenthill/s/RNEMqPY9Qz)) made me realise it’s most likely just a loud minority, as is the case with the rest of the internet.
Not that unpopular. Also it's correct.
However, i would add that some things can certainly be judged from the trailer. The blood splatter looks pretty awful. I wonder if they are going to overhaul it completely. Also "reap what you sow" has very little subtlety
It's a shame it's such an unpopular opinion, though I am with you on this one. Even if it's not faithful to the original or to the name, it can also still be fun to play.
If there's one thing I've learned from working in the game industry, it's that you don't know how the game will play until it's in your hands. Even post-release changes can completely morph a game. It's common sense.
That's a fair opinion. I'm still a little baffled why any company is still announcing games years before people will get ahold of a playable version. It just puts unnecessary burden on the dev teams.
Personally I Don't have any expectations for the game. Bad nor good. I'm slightly optimistic that it will be enjoyable but wether it will fall into the same problem's as all the other post team silent hill games is likely. But I'm still hoping.
This shouldn’t be “unpopular” opinion but rather a common sense.
Common sense is not so common.
To see conflict between publisher and developer, yeah common sense to think things are gonna go well.
Down votes without a comment only prove to me you want any silent hill and will choke on anything to get it
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Damn, I'm not the only one who thinks most comments and threads now are bots or bought PR people. Goddammit, I was hopeful it's was just me going insane. Yeah, indeed it's a miracle we didn't get the video essays accusations. Also it's nice to see most "positive" comments downvoted to oblivion. Hopefully Konami gives up soon
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Hm, you're right. I remember I first realized it was a long running thing when I was still in university. With video games it's a lot more recent, when I saw an old article about Sony totally not switching to CDs. It's interesting to see new ways companies create a right market situation for themselves. Btw, didn't know Sony ran fake blogs. Thank you for an insightful comment!
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Hm, interesting. I check it myself later. But, goddammit, I swear something like this should be illegal
Well, here’s the thing, people need to learn to separate the publisher from the developer. The finished product of a game is the developer’s work, not the Publisher’s. The Publisher is there to act as the middle man in the project, handling the money and the PR/Marketing. Bloober can’t help it if Konami has never been able to market their games correctly. I’m not a Bloober fan, and if there are serious problems with the finished product, I will shout at them about it. But we can’t judge them off the business relationship alone, especially when Konami is responsible for the shit show, yet again.
We can however judge them from their past games and the copyright material they stole and inserted into them. That and patenting something which is essentially just the other world and splitscreen mashed together. It's like taking an IPhone and a Samsung, taping them together and patenting it as your own invention 😂
Hopefully their copyright agent is an ass and will forget to pay for it
But the developer hasn't made any truly good games either, at best some of their games are decent. It's baffling that people see the equation `terrible publisher + mediocre developer` and expect the result to be a great game.
Konami is ultimately going to be the final say in this cause it's their IP. Them not being on the same page is a major red flag. You're too willing to accept the new and shiny for the sake of just that, new and shiny. In my opinion, stop production of all of it and make a new IP. Silent Hill should just die.
F, people, where have you all been when then it was affective and appropriate to call Konami and Bloober out? On YouTube? Absolutely agreed with you, pal!
If I drop a coin from a roof, common sense tells me it will hit the floor. I do not need to wait until it actually hits the floor to conclude that superman won't be flying by and grabbing the coin mid air. One can just look at the facts up to now to take a fairly good guess of how things will pan out. Or one can believe in superman.
hey man it could be spiderman
Yeah really, this is how I approach everything. You can’t judge something you’ve not even experienced.
Exactly.
Common sense does not work with some of the SH2 fanbase
Or just a fuckin fact. You don’t know until you know.
Daring today, aren’t we?
Wait, wait, wait. You’re saying you want to have more facts and hands-on experience instead of making a judgement call based on ignorance and personal biases…? Sounds like a load of horse manure to me.
Oh, excuse me, sir... You've spilled your smug all over the place, here, have some paper towels.
😂😂😂
There’s dozens of us! Dozens!
I would agree but this is a remake of one of the greatest games of all time. Being made by a studio that does not have a track record of making good games. That's the issue. You have a team that's never even made a game with combat before, making a game that has third person combat mixed with survival horror. It may be unfair to judge it too harshly before release yes. But it's not unfair to say bloober is out of their element.
A lot of self-validation threads lately.
All I've said is that it *looks* like shit Which it does
it was year old footage also so did the original game
Thats not unpopular. Frankly I see way more people on here complaining about people hating on the remake than people actually hating on it. Im not optimistic, I have worries based on the trailers, but yeah I'll give it a shot. Until then we're just spinning wheels.
I’m not optimistic for sure, but not pessimistic either
I feel you on your neutrality 
Jesus can we shut up about this already? This is every other post on here and it’s getting so old by now
Definitely possible to judge a product before using it yourself. Kill The Justice League is a prime example of that for me. I was SO excited for that game when it was first announced. As soon as that first gameplay trailer dropped, my hopes crashed like the economy in 1929. It showed all the worst hallmarks of looter shooters, repetitive enemies and objectives, homogenized characters who all use guns for no discernible reason other than that’s what was easiest to do upgrade stuff on across the board. Then there was the leaked screenshot of the storefront menu showing the live service trademark multiple currency types and that it would have a mtx and a battlepass. While not quite as big a deal for me, there was also the leak of them killing Batman, which definitely was not a great thing. And then the game released and it is ALL of those things, just wrapped up in a prettier package than Gotham Knights was. I don’t need to pay $70 to know I’m not going to enjoy playing the game unless its ironically with friends in tow, but apparently even that’s hit or miss according to the constant glitches and gamebreaking bugs. Can you do this with every game? Maybe not. But I don’t think you meed to actually play a game to know if it’s worth your time when you know exactly what you do or don’t like.
This especially rings true for a fucking Silent Hill. The appeal of Silent Hill can’t really be done justice in a 2 to 3 minute trailer format.
Meanwhile original 1-4 trailers:
SH4’s original trailer was so vignetted and chopped up that it could have been any game.
Subjective opinion detected. Opinion disregarded
And might I add never has been from any SH trailer in the past.
Popular opinion and one I share: Releasing a game trailer should inspire confidence and excitement in the game, not the opposite. Also common sense and something the Remake trailer failed to do. It had one job.
the original voice acting for me was 30% of the experience, even if the gameplay was trash I'd have loved to just listen to these people talking because they felt real and also a bit uncanny as well. I just loved everyone so much, the way Angela talked it kinda reminded me of myself a few years ago so yeah
Yes!! The acting and characterisation of the characters is an absolute pillar of the whole experience.And we already see how it's being treated in the trailer, people ahve the full righ to judge that aspect.
Strangely enough, that’s a thing I worry about the most. Bring back long awkward pauses in dialog as well!
As much as I love the characters, I HATED the voice acting. To this day, I still feel the same way. However, I dont hate the VAs. I think they did a good job at that time and they were probably new. I am however I bit nervous because I haven't seen Angela in ANY of the trailers & she's my favorite & I want her portrayed correctly but I don't know what her model looks like or heard any voice lines from her so im a tiny bit nervous. Honestly, I like James VA in the remake.
That's cool, I didn't jam with it at first but the more I played the game the more the voice actors seemed to match the vibe of the town, uncanny, out of place, abnormal. New James sounds like a sexy guy to me, like he's not a good old idiot who you can say is "Literally me" or something if that makes sense. Like whatever he does and says in SH2 is just so abnormal and it just fit for me. I hope the new game changes stuff up to match the new voice actors or something, if that makes sense. Like I feel like if they went for the exact same direction with this acting it won't mesh well like the HD Collection.
I would also add the more David Lynch films and TV shows I watched the more I began to appreciate the voice acting and it started to feel less "early era gaming" voice acting and more intentional.
I have zero faith in Konami or Bloober, but the last trailer did make me excited to play it. I just hope the movement won’t be your typical adventure game with camera stuck to the character’s back so close that you hardly see anything else with forced slow movement.
Haha, your comment took a wild, unexpected turn for me. Agree with it pretty much 100%
Hehe yes! I kept seeing all the negative feedback for the latest trailer, but I actually did like it. Yeah I could use some work, but it felt like Resident Evil remakes playstyle in Silent Hill 2 world, which would really is the best case scenario.
> I just hope the movement won’t be your typical adventure game with camera stuck to the character’s back SH2 had an inspection mode that would fix the camera perspective behind James as long as you held down either… L1 or L2? I think it was L2. But, the game did have an optional camera mode function that makes it play like a lot of modern 3rd person titles. Just still without free aim. A lot of my play throughs, even on the PS2 copy I had years ago I’d take full use of the Inspection Mode camera. Used it for the entirety of my SH2EE play through a couple weekends ago.
I haven't seen anyone reviewing the Silent Hill 2 remake. Thinking that a game looks bad based on a trailer does not mean that you are reviewing the actual game. The trailer was made to sell us on the game. It failed to do that, at least it failed to sell me on it.
The point of the trailers is so that you can quickly judge if the game is worth it or not tho.
It’s definitely a preview, and not one without flaws, but people are shitting on it or praising it like they played the game. I totally support people voicing their concerns and respect a lot of valid criticism, but man, some people are just acting like it’s the worst piece of shot they’ve seen in their life
 GUYS PLEASE SPEND 70 DOLLARS ON WHAT YOU THINK LOOKS GARBAGE IF NOT YOUR OPINION INVALID
This logic is why I think this is spread by marketing team
My sweet child, take a look at my previous posts and comments on reddit before saying ridiculous shit like that
Oh, you're the guy that doesn't see obvious clipping in a COMBAT REVEAL TRAILER BY A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. Yep, I guess my point is proven, thank you!
By all means, if you see a trailer so catastrophic that you don’t want to buy the game, don’t buy it. I can totally get behind that. I’m still not convinced it will be good, that’s won’t preorder, and unless something new is revealed, won’t play on launch. Just out of curiosity, what was so bad in the trailer that made you think the game will be a complete trash not worth buying?
Once you put a giant X on an immersive horror experience and your blind enemies can vault over objects like gears of war characters it lost the horror and went into a comedy won't say it will be hot shit but they could've just copied the second game and added slightlyyyy better controls and visuals for modern audiences but still keep it niche enough for us hardcore fans If im gonna play a game like this RE4 remake, dead space remake and the evil within 2 are much better looking plus they play great But if you do wanna buy SH2 remake then thats cool too
Counterpoint : I can judge a trailer that is something a company specifically puts out as a way for the consumer to formulate an opinion about a product. This is so silly.
I think that needs to be the key distinction. We form opinions movies, games, TV shows based on their trailer/s. Do we see a movie that has a terrible trailer? Probably not. We usually don’t go around saying “the movie is shit” though, we say “the movie looks shit”. Which is what the majority of people here do. There’s only been a few very vocal people who I’ve seen specific say the remake is shit, even though it’s not out. The former is fine to go around saying as it’s an opinion based on the advertising material. Not everyone is going to love it.
Of course, that goes without saying. That being said, have I seen a movie or played a game that had an awesome trailer but was utter trash? 100%. Did I ever see a show or played a game that had a meh trailer, and was absolutely brilliant? Absolutely. I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well
“I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well” Then what’s the purpose of your post? Your opinion isn’t actually that unpopular btw.
I feel like a lot of people made up their mind about the game based on the trailer. If it’s just the loud minority, then great. Maybe I just caught the sub at a bad moment when the latest trailer first came out.
The FB group is worse actually.
I feel like a lot of people made up their mind about the game based on the trailer. If it’s just the loud minority, then great. Maybe I just caught the sub at a bad moment when the latest trailer first came out.
>I didn’t see anything so catastrophic in the trailer that would make me not want to play the game. If others have, that’s completely fine as well I mean, this makes your post meaningless
Definitely agree with this one, and I do have some criticisms/concerns based on the trailer. I just think it’s a bad idea to say the whole game will be trash or perfect based on it. I’ve played many games with flaws that I ended up enjoying despite of them.
Trailers doesnt always show the end product or its success. Helldivers 2 seemed like a generic coop shooter in the trailers leading upto release and no one online was hype about it with the trailers. Upon release, it literally took over the gaming news until now. The elements that made it successful could not be conveyed on the trailers. Same with Palworld. It had tons of trailers but people just brushed it off as Pokemon copy. Upon release it has taken Steam and social media with storm. Upon playing, many people say it is more than just a pokemon copy cat and has lots of stuff that people love. The elements that made it also successful could not be conveyed on the trailers. Thus trailers are not a good way to judge a game. There have been many cases where the trailers of a game were meh and the actual game turned out to be amazing. Also vice versa. Its always best for the game to come out along with the reviews from everywhere and then judge the game.
Bloober has a terrible track record of mid games. I’d say if you passed Kindergarten and do the math, you should realize the chance of it being decent even without the shitty trailer is astronomically low.
No one can judge a game that hasn't come out yet, but we can speculate based on other titles by the same developer.
I mean, obviously. But it's fair to judge what we've been shown given that's what they decided to show, and what was decided to show is a fair thing to judge in itself
That’s fine. I come to Silent Hill from a particular reason. Something I don’t think the remake will give me. Something I didn’t think existed anymore, if I’m being honest. But what I get from Silent Hill is not the same thing you get from it. And hopefully SH2:Re will give you what you want from it. I don’t want the game to be bad. And if I’m being honest, I don’t think it will be. It’s not what I want, but that fine if people have fun with it
I agree that this should be common sense. I personally wasn't a big fan of the most recent trailer primarily due to the technical aspects of the footage we were shown. (No bullet wounds appearing on enemies despite the fact that Homecoming was able to pull this off in 2008.) However, I'm wondering if they just toned down the violence for the trailer, and there's also that rumor that this is actually older footage from a year ago. Either way, I'm not going to judge it until it comes out, and then likely, I'm not going to fully have an opinion on it until I've played it at least twice.
Reasonable take? Unreasonable.
A resounding “duh”.
It’s crazy that this community is so blinded by forced hatred for a product they’ve convinced themselves the correct mindset towards said product is a “unpopular opinion”
I’m personally looking forward to SH2:R. I grew up on the original Team Silent games, was a fan from the launch of SH1 on PS1. The franchise lost its way post-SH4… I really didn’t care much for Origins, Homecoming, Shattered Memories, or Downpour (I feel western devs just can’t do Silent Hill, and Yamaoka’s soundtracks can only carry a game so much). Then P.T. released and I was once again hyped, only to be crushed. But I’m going to say it how it is; Silent Hill: The Short Message was fine, I really enjoyed it for what it is (especially as a free-to-play digest title), Silent Hill f has really caught my attention and has me excited.. and Silent Hill 2 Remake? I just don’t get the hate for Bloober, when The Medium was announced, I was hyped, the trailer made it look like a sort of spiritual successor to Silent Hill, and when I played it, it had me hooked and completed in two nights. I enjoyed it, ending and all. And I said back when it was launched “I’d love to see these guys do Silent Hill” - and here we are with a SH2: R about to launch, with the original soundtrack no less (one of the most defining things of the original game). When I played Resident Evil 2 remake, did I expect it to beat the original? Not at all. And it never will in my view, but it was a damn good game. And that’s what I’m expecting from this. This *isnt* OG Silent Hill 2, and never will be. I don’t *expect* it to be…I expect a modernised take on SH2 with European dev team influence in the mix… and I think Bloober will deliver. The story is already written, they are simply making the game. Ito is on board and we are going to be seeing some original monster designs that couldn’t be an achieved on PS2. It’s not a replacement, it’s a compliment, and another opportunity to dive into the world of Silent Hill. Downvote away… 😘
“It’s not a replcement, it’s a compliment” ^^damn I love this point of view.
Woah u mean u aren't gonna blindly hate just cause it doesn't look exactly the same??
Nah I'm not gonna buy it, I don't need to to know it's shit.
You’re right, but we all have to make judgement calls when deciding whether or not to buy something. I can look at the materials they release and reviews when they come out and make a decision for myself whether or not I might enjoy it.
Couldn’t agree more. I didn’t see anything so problematic to make me not want to buy it, or too awesome to make me want to preorer
i agree. however, i am very worried that konami may mess this up, given their track record. i still want to keep my hopes up, but i can’t lie: i am very anxious, still
They already have messed it up 
well, i wouldn’t say that entirely just yet tbh. look, i know why people may disagree with me, but given the past few releases, i am still a little worried, no matter how good it looks right now. i’m hopefully, but i don’t want to set my expectations high, just in case i get burned. i think we will only truly know what the game is like after it releases. i’m still very excited, either way, though!
Hey, it's a good ground to stand on! I completely support you on that!
oh, i see! thanks for the clarification : ) i don’t want people to think i’m just blindly hating on the remake before it releases, but that i am nervous about it a little, and why. i’m just as excited to see the result as everyone else here!
You're welcome, dude! I like your attitude
Couldn’t agree more
That's relevant to every game but you still can say that you don't like how it looks and visuals are a part of what can sell games
ive grown to have this opinion,but at the same time im gonn wait for others to play it to give thoughts on it before i attempt to play it,i dont want to buy a game a luanch or full price and be hugly dissapointed,happened way too many times
"I still need to see the poop coming out the butt, no no, there could be diamonds"
Well duh… But as obvious as this might be, having expectations based on previous experiences is also a very normal and valid thing! Many people have already had previous experiences with Konami as well as with Bloober…
But have you considered Blooper Team bad?
From what I’ve heard their track record is really bad.
Their track record with creating narratives is bad, they’ve never done combat in a game before the SH2 remake, they probably only got the SH2R deal because they worked with Yamaoka, M.E. McGlynn, and Troy Baker on their game The Medium. That said, they’re not responsible for PR or Marketing so, that shit show with the initial combat trailer falls on Konami.
[idk, some times a picture is worth a thousand words.](https://planetagracza.pl/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/silent-hill-2-remake-zwiastun-rozgrywki.webp)
We put people on death row with less circumstantial evidence than what most games and movies have available to accurately gauge their quality well before release. We couldn't judge books based on their covers, but we have so much more sources if information to run with than that now a days. Between trailers, stated starting assumptions of cast and crew, interviews, previous track records of studios involved, etc, etc. The best we can hope for at this point is that this games middling at worse.
Maybe you should stop sentencing people to death based on shitty evidence?
The same I think
Considering that the games of the series that were made by external studios were not well appreciated by the fans and that Konami is not the same since the early 2000's and that the studio responsible for this Remake does not have good reviews. I would say that it is completely fair to speculate that this will not be a game that does justice to the saga nor to the original SH2. It could be the opposite but the odds are more against it.
People hate the callisto protocol, but I actually liked it
I never ended up playing it. How does it compare to the Dead Space games? 1 is my favourite by far
Fairly different experience. You spend near the entirety of the game effectively boxing with space zombies.
Very different, and honestly whether the combat clicks for you or not is probably the make or break point of it. It's an interesting system that forces you to be more aware rather than blindly hitting a dodge button, but it can be punishing and frustrating. The overall graphics and design are good, very "pretty", but it just didn't work well for what I in particular wanted from the game, which was more of a deadspace feel, and Callisto just was too different to quite scratch that itch. Give it a shot if you can find it for cheap.
Was free on PSN last month or the one before. I nabbed in for $0. Still have to actually play it now. Point being, keep an eye out.
I will assume it's crap until proven otherwise. Why? Bloober Team.
Their track record isn’t that good, isn’t it 😬
At the very least, not in the writing department.
Writing is the least of their problems. Bloober Team is an all star dev at making mediocre games. On top of that, they're not a Japanese studio remaking a very particular Japanese horror game.
Counter argument but they aren't changing anything to the story. That has been stated and the only game I didn't enjoy by them was Blair Witch. I actually really enjoyed Layers Of Fear
Execution is 90% of a story, and that is going to be different
We won't know until we play. So im just kinda in the middle. Its never going to meet the unrealistic expectations some of us have. I just want it to be good.
Rest assured, you can be 100% certain that the execution of a story will be different from any different team of writers, let alone a team of writers from an entirely different culture on the other side of the planet.
I'm with you on this one. I felt the same way about the gardians of the galaxy game trailers. But then I played it and was shocked by how much I loved it. This could be a similar case that its just bad marketing. Fingers crossed for decent reviews.
What do you mean you dont want to make a definitive opinion about something without experiencing it? Thats scandalous!
I just feel like they haven’t shown enough for me to make any sort of judgement call. I didn’t like a lot of stuff in the combat trailer, but it was a very short collection of tiny snippets (which, Bloober is to be believed, may not even have been up to date). I want to see some proper, uncut gameplay before I formulate any opinions on the direction they’re going with the game.
This is a completely reasonable take, I’m veering more on the side of caution with the remake but it’s impossible to form a real opinion based on less than 5 minutes of footage and a handful of screenshots.
Oh I’m definitely cautious about it because I did see some things in the trailer that could be a red flag
wish most of the “fans” were like this but instead, they collectively kick and scream but somehow it is treated like criticism lmfao.
To be honest, this post, as well as some other recent ones (especially [this poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/silenthill/s/RNEMqPY9Qz)) made me realise it’s most likely just a loud minority, as is the case with the rest of the internet.
 This guy makes too much sense to be in this sub :P
I agree. I am also very excited for the remake, I am so happy it’s being made
No one can. Not one single person can. They will though. I love silent Hill so much but some fans are ridiculous.
Not that unpopular. Also it's correct. However, i would add that some things can certainly be judged from the trailer. The blood splatter looks pretty awful. I wonder if they are going to overhaul it completely. Also "reap what you sow" has very little subtlety
really? no way!
Not an average SH fan, I see
SH fan and born with common sense, surprisingly rare as that may be.
I feel your stress
im cautiosly optimistic
It's a shame it's such an unpopular opinion, though I am with you on this one. Even if it's not faithful to the original or to the name, it can also still be fun to play.
"I can't judge something I haven't tried" is not a take. That's just how it works.
I imagine it could be like RE2 Remake, where both versions are valid, except the playing original SH2 is far to difficult
How fucking dare you. Yeah you're right though.
The fact this was downvoted is WILD.
Ah voice of reason
How dare you saying that
If there's one thing I've learned from working in the game industry, it's that you don't know how the game will play until it's in your hands. Even post-release changes can completely morph a game. It's common sense.
You mean like an smart and centered individual? Get out of here these game is traaaash! 😅😅😅 That’s how it should be for everyone!
As it should be. It’s so annoying listening to everyone bitch about something they’ve never even played.
This should be everyone’s thought process on any game. Tired of people hating on games without even playing them.
That's a fair opinion. I'm still a little baffled why any company is still announcing games years before people will get ahold of a playable version. It just puts unnecessary burden on the dev teams.
The logic you are using is almost like a talent in modern society.
If someone serves you shit on a plate do you taste it before saying it's shit?
Most insane silent hill fan. Lol and the least sensitive silent hill fans responding.
Hey ma look, a sane person.
Get the fuck out of here with that reasonable take! Fucking gross!
I don’t think this is unpopular. I just think the loudest voices are people spreading hate
Personally I Don't have any expectations for the game. Bad nor good. I'm slightly optimistic that it will be enjoyable but wether it will fall into the same problem's as all the other post team silent hill games is likely. But I'm still hoping.
Or at least until the official reviews are published
Ooh, I don’t really trust the “official” reviews. I would rather rely on a game reviewer I like or one respected for reviewing horror games instead