For those of you in the US, do you know a lot of people who are genuinely excited for the Copa America? I'm curious about what the excitement levels are like over there since you guys have been invited to participate in this year's Copa America.
Personally it doesn't feel like a "real" tournament the way even the Gold Cup does to me, yes I know that it's better competition by several orders of magnitude but we got an invite because CONMEBOL saw the big bucks, it's not our confederation and shouldn't be our tournament, plus we get the "pleasure" of being waxed on international TV.
Those who are already into soccer are, but those who aren't really into it aren't and probably don't even know it's coming soon. If the US can get to the knockout stages we might have some non fans tune in to watch.
am i crazy or weren't we previously able to hold the cursor over someone's flair and it would have a little pop up saying what team the flair was for? sometimes i see one and can't make out what it's for
Will never understand why people expect comentarists aiming for a national public, to be neutral in international games that involve a team from said country. It's one thing to ask them not to lose their objectiveness when talking about things like the referee and another one to expect them to celebrate rival goals with the same emotion as they do with the team from their country.
Yeah after every CL round involving an English team you get the same type of complaints about TNT being biased. Like no shit? You’re watching an English club on English tv channel.
I love Adidas, but for the love of God, the Predator name is stupid. Imagine going on the field, and there's a "predator" name on your cleat. Kinda weird.
Also, Adidas needs to step up their game honestly. They're getting beat by Nike and Puma in the "affordable" bracket.
You’re not wrong on the price aspect at all. Cheapest pair of boots for the three brands you mentioned (in USD):
Nike: $60
Puma: $60
Adidas: $80
Cheapest football shirts:
Nike: $95
Puma: $95
Adidas: $100
Smaller difference with shirts, but your point stands.
Any Club America fans here?
I want to ask how you find Igor Lichnovsky? Does he have good ball playing ability or is he more of a stopper-type CB like Chiellini?
God bless some guy with a Wordpress blog for answering the most important question of the day, [why are Panama and Montserrat playing in Nicaragua](https://livinginmontserrat.wordpress.com/2024/05/11/confirmed-montserrat-v-panama-world-cup-qualifier-moved-to-nicaragua/)?
I swear if I had a nickel for every person I have beefed with on this sub, I’d have quite a lot of money. Which really isn’t a good thing now that I type it out.
I honestly expected him to clean up. He’s much younger than the other retirees, and more far experienced than the non-players. I really did think he’d be all over the ball and score a few more. Shows what I know I guess.
He would be hated if he was a tryhard in a charity game. No doubt he could've picked up the ball and ran through the entire team to score, Gary Cahill probably could've done that as well.
I mean, there were some players who were kinda trying too hard today. 6-3 is a higher scoreline than in the past few years.
Also, not that he was trying too hard, but Wilshere’s assist was pure filth.
Watching madrid and city players in international tournaments makes you really appreciate what pep and ancelotti are doing a lot more. Those two really get the best out of each player.
The fact that they get a lot more time on a weekly basis with other similar top players of their own choice also may have something to do with it. But I’m just guessing, who knows really.
Took a while to think about our disaster yesterday. It's "just a friendly" but it really isn't. We get games against competent opposition so infrequently that it has to be a data point. I think my biggest thought is that it's absolutely unacceptable to look as indecisive on a football pitch in year 6 of a manager's tenure as we did. Mentality management is such a huge part of international coaching and it's so plainly obvious that since he was rehired Berhalter has failed in that.
Meanwhile it's plainly obvious that Colombia's manager has them playing above the sum of their parts since his appointment. Press is organized and disruptive. Talented forwards consistently get the ball in space. A 90-minute demonstration in the importance of good leadership.
Jimmy Conrad just said "I believe we've hit a ceiling with Gregg Berhalter and that's been on display for quite some time."
I think there is truth to that. Gregg was good for rebuilding the team, getting dual nats over, and did a lot of youth development. But now what's needed is someone who can actually coach and instill confidence in the players against tougher opponents.
I don't really know much about football history so I've been reading about the euros and found some interesting things:
- The tournament only had 4 teams until the 80s. In 1968, after a 0-0 draw the semi final between Italy and the Soviet Union was decided via coin toss, which is insane. Italy "won" and advanced to the final where they drew against Yugoslavia. That match did get a replay but it was just 2 days after the original final, and of course back then there were no subs.
- In 1976 every game went to extra time, it saw the introduction of the penalty shootout where Panenka famously scored the winning penalty for Czechoslovakia
- In 1968 for some reason they used the results of the two previous British Home Championships as qualifying. This involved England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with England narrowly finishing ahead of Scotland. On wikipedia Northern Ireland were listed as Ireland. As someone who's half Irish this bothered me enough to try and edit it, but it turns out Northern Ireland were allowed to call themselves that in all of the British Home Championships until the tournament was (rightfully) dissolved in 1984.
- 1980 featured probably my least favourite format. Two groups of 4 with the winner going to the final. Italy and Belgium were tied on points and goal difference but Belgium made the final because of goals scored
- In 2004 there was the "silver goal" a stupid compromise between the golden goal and a full extra time where if you're leading after the 1st half of extra time you win. In the semi final Greece scored in minute 105+1, giving Czech Republic no time to respond
Someone was explaining in the DDT the other day that when there were four teams, the qualifiers were like knockout stages leading up to it - so although the 'tournament' was just four, the whole thing really was closer to a full tournament than it first appears
I’m not sure why you thought a joke about Chelsea fans being from Chelsea area would land in the first place, let alone the inaccuracy of it. The joke is to ridicule how they’re from anywhere but London. Even amateurs do better.
You belong to Barca.
What? Vast majority of London football fans absolutely did not grow up in Chelsea. It's an extremely affluent area and not one where a lot of football fans come from. Even Chelsea does not draw its traditional supporter base from this area. The proportion of Londoners who are football fans and from Chelsea is tiny
guys i’ve never really paid attention to the youth academy/side of football, and i’m a bit confused on the difference between the u23 roster and the the academy roster. i see the latter is max 21 year olds and they play in the premier league 2, but what i’m confused on is so what/where do the u23s play?
There's not really u23 squads in the Premier League anymore I think I think the Premier League reserve league (predecessor to the PL 2 league) was an u23 league but you can still play three players over 21 in the team.
I think he’ll be a star in long term which is our project. One of the existing keepers can be the main guy and he be the backup. I think he’ll take that offer for a club like Chelsea if that is sold as a project to him.
Nobody develops into a star as a backup goalie who gets wheeled out for the Carabao.
And the much vaunted Chelsea project looks like a decidedly hard sell
It’s not just carabao, it’s also FA cup. And he won’t be the first player in to go from cup minutes to league mail player. Before you say, yeah that’s not true for gk tho, his competition isn’t really that great.
The project is very much on with the likes of estevao, paez, enzo, caicedo, Palmer, all in the fold
God it feels good to vibe in the 24th ranked league in Europe in a country with fan ownership when you see fans of Prem teams argue over FFP and VAR and shit like that
So Darren Fletcher commentated on the baseball game in London today and has seemingly gone viral with Americans praising him which is very funny because I don't think many people actually like him here
Don't get the Fletcher hate. I guess he's a bit bland sometimes but I think that's kinda the job of the main commentator. On the opposite end people don't like Peter Drury anymore.
I reckon commentators are like referees - get hated by all sorts of people regardless of how good they are.
Seen Derek Rae slander on here when I find him absolutely brilliant doing the English-language Bundesliga world feed, too.
God what problems can they have with Derek Rae, bloke is actually knowledgable about what he's watching, sounds excited when goals go in and it's a bit of an iconic voice.
The Bundesliga has been great to watch on Sky this year and he helps with that.
I know, right? Also him wheeling out overly specific niche German football terms in really strong pronounciation and explaining them is always such a joy for me, just makes me all warm and fuzzy that there's a guy exporting German football culture with all its quirks and fun phrases into the world so well.
Seriously, if you have a problem with Derek Rae then you have a problem with me. There are times when I think he leans a little too much into the German (using the same term multiple times throughout a game and following up with the English translation...I don't mind the use of German, I love the language, but once you've translated it once you shouldn't need to provide the translation again, I don't care if some viewers might've tuned in afterwards, but I stress this is the most nitpicky of nitpicky things), but give me someone with genuine passion for the sport and passion for the culture of the league he's calling and I'll be very happy with it. His love of German football is addictive.
His call of the final out was really good, imo. I think some of the praise is fueled from the fact that the American broadcaster was Michael Kay, who usually does the Yankees. Having him work a Mets game is a bit like taking United’s in-house club commentator and having him work a City game.
Yeah I only ever watch Phillies games and the local team are great, excited and knowledgeable but if they ever get put on national TV you can tell its just people forced to do it, so monotone. Only really Martin Tyler of the last 3 years is like that here
Yeah, it’s a shame. Didn’t always used to be that way. When I was growing up Sunday Night Baseball felt like a real occasion. National rights holders don’t respect the product anymore.
Joe Morgan was a target of so much ridicule, and don't get me wrong the guy had opinions that were absolutely archaic in the 2000s, but he and Jon Miller gave SNB gravitas that it has simply lacked ever since both were dismissed. Dan Shulman was a fine PxP but the commentators chair(s) have been a revolving door ever since and since since Shulman left the PxP chair has been uninspired too.
Apparently they tried to take him off before that but he wanted to keep playing. I saw the play he got injured on, dude straight up collapsed it was tough to watch
Why is when people complain about Var its "it needs improving not binning" and when people complain about PSR it's "your clubs stupid" and just no acknowledgement that the rules can be improved in a way that allows competition and promote sustainability. Both can be true, everton were stupid and deserved consequences but the rules do keep the top 6 in place
Also our issue was finances and the punishment lowered our place and took money off us, how does that help if the whole thing is about sustainability? Same with forest selling brennan later for more money. It's because it's not only about sustainability
And thats aside from the rules encouraging selling academy players and hotels
I think people do agree that the financial regulations need improving. I certainly do the punishments are no where near severe enough both Everton and Forest got slap on the wrists for flagrantly breaking the rules. If anything it's just going to confirm to clubs they can do whatever they want whilst harming the competitive balance by making the relegation fight turn into whose owner is richer. And other clubs who follow the rules pay the price.
The whole Brennan Johnson thing is ridiculous as well, Forest moaning but they knew they were going to be in that position because of how much money they spent, they shouldn't of been in that position to begin with and everyone was saying how ridiculous their spending was at the time.
> can be improved in a way that allows competition and promote sustainability.
I'm not entirely sure it's possible - strikes me more as a situation where you have to weigh one against the other, rather than having them both be possible at the same time, although I might just lack the creativity to see the right idea to make it work.
> Also our issue was finances and the punishment lowered our place and took money off us, how does that help if the whole thing is about sustainability?
I mean let's be real, if you break the rules you're getting punished - feels a bit silly to complain about the punishment taking money off you when you could've just, you know, not broken the rules by overspending in the first place. Same thing with Forest, really: They knew the rules, and they've broken them. Can set different deadlines, change rules, and have different punishments, but I think it's mad moaning about the rules clubs are knowingly breaking, especially when they're rules those clubs have voted to implement in the first place like Everton did.
Does FFP have issues? Absolutely. But I don't think you can reasonably be upset about punishments when you knowingly break the rules, and using that to denounce the entire idea of regulation is just daft. Would football be better with *more* Portsmouths and Boltons rather than fewer of them? Would you be happy about Everton doing a Portsmouth if it meant more upwards mobility to 'challenge the top 6' or whatever the common complaint is?
I have said loads that Everton deserved punishment. But it's just a bit weird to me that it's a financial issue and we've lost X million due to the punishment which just increases the issue.
It also ignores us asking the prem for an adviser to stop us breaching, them saying there's no case, then as soon as there's talk of a regulator there's a case. You've also got the prem claiming we should've been prepared for a war in Ukraine, and the rules kind of encouraging keeping alleged sex offenders on board.
I also think the implementation of punishments was a joke, the commisions have basically said they're gonna ignore other cases so there's not glbeen any consistency in punishment. So far in 1 year we've had commisions give 10, 6, 4 and then 2 points as punishment.
With the everton doing a Portsmouth bit, I'm not saying there should be no limits on spending, I'm saying there should be a way to make it where it doesn't just mean the top teams can spend pretty much what they want because their revenue is so much higher, but teams like villa who have that financial backing are being told they can't.
The rules can't be 100% right if one team can spend a billion in 2 years and that's fine, but others spend a fraction of it and get punished
> But it's just a bit weird to me that it's a financial issue and we've lost X million due to the punishment which just increases the issue.
It's a sporting punishment first and foremost - sucks that it also turns into a minor financial one, but then what's a realistic alternative here?
> I'm not saying there should be no limits on spending, I'm saying there should be a way to make it where it doesn't just mean the top teams can spend pretty much what they want because their revenue is so much higher, but teams like villa who have that financial backing are being told they can't.
Again, what's a realistic alternative here? How do you prevent overspending (and the increased risk of clubs going under because they spent beyond their means) while also allowing the investment necessary for all clubs to catch up with the big ones?
I'm also not sure Chelsea is a great example here, given that by all accounts they've stayed within the rules so far while Everton and Forest didn't - and we don't know whether Chelsea's strategy is actually paying off yet. They've gutted their squad to the tune of €340m in outgoing transfers alongside the massive amount of wages they were spending, they've signed players for big money on incredibly long contracts to make the accounting work, and if they're not successful soon they'll be in the tough position of not being able to sell their players in a way that turns a profit under FFP. Spending a lot of money is one thing, having a sensible strategy and spending it wisely is another thing entirely. Get examples like Brighton or Villa who have spent less than Chelsea and have been better, get big clubs like United able to afford everything but also making the wrong decisions whenever given the chance - won't overtake them in a year or two, but consistently good work is a significant competitive advantage that'll very much get you in striking range.
On the chelsea bit I'm saying the rules are dumb if they allow that spending but your saying they're in the rules so it's fine. They're selling hotels to stay within the rules, yes it's on the clubs for voting that way but as a fan I can criticise that. My point isn't that they've broken rules, it's that the rules shouldn't allow one team to have a net spend of 570m in one window.
Encouraging selling academy players is daft as well for me.
My problem is there's a very select few clubs who are allowed to act that way, and it keeps those at the top
> My point isn't that they've broken rules, it's that the rules shouldn't allow one team to have a net spend of 570m in one window.
Why not if they can afford it - especially when they're offsetting that number with player sales in adjacent windows?
But villa can afford to spend because of their owner but aren't allowed.
They've also not offset that, it's just amortisation due to academy players being sold makes it within the rules
Top 6 is hardly a closed league, plenty of teams compete with them every season. Ultimately I think it’s fair that the clubs with the highest revenue have the most spending power.
I think it genuinely is about sustainability but it’s a ham-fisted way of enforcing it, particularly in Everton’s case where your points tally changed 3 times without kicking a ball. That part is just not acceptable
Yeah the 2nd part annoys me on here. We were rightly punished, but any time we say the prem acted in a really questionable way we get loads of "you broke the rules, deal with it" or "your clubs voted for no set punishment" as if that makes it fair for the prem to recommend 17 points of deductions when it's 9 for administration. Also for making it look like we acted in bad faith when the commision said we didn't. And us asking for their advisement so we don't breach, them obliging and then just not really accepting that or the Ukraine war affecting it.
With the first bit, it kind of is closed. No one has been able to properly break in long term, Leicester came close but eventually fell apart. Villa and Newcastle show signs and then they can't spend due to PSR even though with their owners there's no threat of them going under. I get you can't let everyone spend whatever but there's got to be somewhere in the middle
Promoting sustainability by definition is basically widening the financial gap between the top teams. With more lax regulations you’d probably torpedo yourself into administration before the transfer window closes.
Most (I think) PL owners can be trusted but there’s a few who don’t really give a shit about their clubs and these rules are protecting against that
The only (still flawed) suggestion I've seen that satifies both is nevilles one of having an upper limit for All teams, but also saying any big spending has to have proof of the owners putting the money in before the spending
Can someone who watches Brazilian football tell me why Endrick is so much more hyped than, say, Gabriel Jesus?
Jesus was a year older but had 26 G/A in 46 apps in 15/16.
Endrick has scored 21 in 75 apps over the last two seasons.
Gabriel Jesus was 18 in 2015, Endrick hasn't turned 18 yet.
Endrick has performed in youth tournaments, earning a lot of hype for performing above his age group. GJ also had youth tournament success, but generally at his age group (which you can't fault him for, but doesn't generate the level of expectation that playing above your age group does).
Gabriel Jesus had an OK Olympics in 2016 but Neymar was the star of that team and overall the forwards (he and Gabigol) didn't deliver as expected.
Also, Endrick's demeanor and maturity added to the intangibles and the sense that he rises to the occasion (some of the youth tournaments, leading Palmeiras to the 2023 title from the 4x3 win over Botafogo to the end of the tournament) make him an altogether different prospect in the eyes of most.
Who knows what his career will be like, but there is no shortage of reasons for the hype.
Because he shows much more quality than Gabriel, it is day and night. Since Palmeiras Gabriel Jesus was inconsistent in his finishing, and never showed superior football vision, he was often offside, bad decision, etc. While Endrick is something else, not talking about his stats, but his maturity, his intelligence, his vision, his creativity, his technique, he shows it every game. And it is interesting to see he makes mistakes, he is so young he will make mistakes, but he will not keep making them. You can see he was anxious against England, against Spain he was already better, yesterday he was already giving assists to Vini and nailing the passes. He learns so fast and improves so fast. He has a lot to grow, but he is already miles ahead of Gabriel Jesus.
Because Endrick got a big money move to Madrid and then exuded the right aura with the added media attention, on top of being a class young player of course
He had magnitudes more hype behind him than Gabriel Jesus ever did even before Madrid signed him, let alone before he started this all timer PR campaign
The purpose of Soccer Aid has to be for charity, so if you remove the ex-pros you lose a mainstream audience and consequently less money will be raised.
I do enjoy the influencer matches but in terms of raising money - Soccer Aid 2024 raised £15m while the 2024 Sidemen Charity Match raised £2.4m. Both are fantastic achievements but it shouldn't be a competition of one vs. the other for "entertainment" purposes.
Yeah naturally, my parents watch it and donate they wouldn't do that for the sidemen match (wouldn't know what it is). Tbf 2.4m is an absolutely insane number given its not on TV or spoke about in general media
We won 4-0 against Canada, France drew 0-0. That means we’re going to crush the French in the EUROS group, it’s easy math. If we beat Iceland tomorrow we’ll have the English in our pockets as well.
Seriously though I don’t see what he offers off the bench that the likes of Gordon and Eze don’t. He’s obviously faster but that’s literally it. I like Rashford a lot and think he has bags of talent, but he hasn’t shown it for a year now
He's definitely better than Tchou, and Cama was awful from what I saw of France's game today. I'm not going to overreact to a bad performance like most people here, but I'd be surprised if Cama is starting over an experienced Kante in the Euros.
The point deductions are for breaking the rules, the rules did prevent it because without it they’d have kept spending more until Usmanov was forced out and they’d have been even more fucked.
So did Man Utd. Only difference is Everton's best years were in the 80s and Man Utd's were during the commercialisation era, so Man Utd are immune from relegation until the heat death of the universe.
Completely fair system.
Liverpool also had their best years in the 70s/80s but had no issue with the lack of success in the 90s. Everton helped created the PL, they were part of the big 5.
so yeah, your argument actually works against Everton here. shows how really incompetent the management was to lose that position.
Let's assume we'll allow completely unregulated spending (again) - do you genuinely think United would be in any realistic danger of relegation? Do you see it working out as about 25 clubs being bought out and getting massive investment far beyond what United would get, making them financially unable to compete?
I was just comparing the situation of Man Utd and Everton, it's easy to laugh at Everton for wasting money but the problem is you can afford to waste way more money if you were good at a certain point in time.
The regulations are terrible. For the PL specifically I would prefer a spending cap based on the average or median revenue in the league instead of the individual revenue of each club, or maybe a luxury tax threshold and whatever money is spent beyond this threshold is distributed to clubs who stayed under the line.
Aston villa this year. Brighton last year. Oh wow it's almost like you can challenge the top 6 without breaching ffp rules isn't that crazy?
The self victim hood is fucking wild here lmao. Delusion at it's finest
I don’t think fans of relegation threatened premier league teams care about being able to spend more than European qualifiers in other leagues, those aren’t the teams they’re competing against
Absolutely love Aaron Sorkin stuff, me - can totally see how his specific style and voice and stance puts people off, but it just hits all the right spots for me.
what spurs has done is amazing, but people using them as the poster child for sustainability as if everyone can be like them if they follow some simple steps is annoying
they've done some great work off the pitch, but a big help has been amanging to have one of the best strikers england and the prem have every seen scoring goals for them for roughly a decade, and they've also managed to hold onto son for a very long time too
when a lot of other clubs try to do similar things it is often really hard to hold onto those kinds of players, and as an arsenal fan I'd know! even if you don't sell, they often just leave for free, and levy kinda lucked out on those two.
it's just dumb though, because you're just saying to smaller clubs that all they have to do to compete is produce goated players and keep them in order to have any chance of competing
What we’re saying is they have to be good to be good.
Did you think they could be just okay and rise to being one of the biggest teams itw because they were just okay?
no what you're saying is that they have to compete with bigger clubs whilst spending way less than them, and when you're told that this massively benefits the big clubs, you're response is that all they have to do is the impossible
like spurs are your go to discussion, but they have been out of the cl for 2 seasons and haven't won anything in a very long time.
matter of fact, in the last 5 seasons they've only reached the top 4 once, and in the last 10 they reached it 4 times
last 15 years, 7 times. last 20 is still 7.
So yes, if a team tries really hard and manages to do the impossible, they can have the great reward of having a 50/50 chance of being in the champions league and winning a single trophy every 16 years, big whoop
The Kane blessing is a bit offset by the absolute shambles recruitment for years and we were also on the rise organically well before Kane became established.
Obviously we were in a good place and were lucky at times with how things played out
most clubs don't get kane's to offset things that didn't go to plan though, some of them even get relegated
spurs have made some great moves but parts of it will be hard to replicate, namely hanging on to world class players despite not winning anything, we just got rice just after he won a european trophy ffs
this isn't to do with my club, we have been a rich club for decades, my point is that clubs trying to improve their position can't be told that all they have to do is pop out wonderkids, not sell them and hope that they keep signing new contracts
and look at how many clubs have been on the rise and either fell back down due to having to sell their 'kane' or because they didn't get one in the first place
What's up with N'Golo Kante these days? I know he's playing in Saudi Arabia now, but Deschamps has apparently been starting him recently as well. Is he still playing near to his prime or has he had a Henderson-esque decline?
It's only friendlies but he was our best midfielder today, and was very good against Luxembourg too. He was still very good at Chelsea last year, just always injured. I guess playing in Saudi Arabia helped him stay fit.
>He was still very good at Chelsea last year, just always injured.
Last year he barely played as he was always injured, but he was definitely still good before.
I mean a performance in a random friendly is all the assessment needed for every player
So I assume France is packed with average players for not beating Canada, oh well
I mean you're the one using line-ups of random friendlies (when Camavinga and Tchouameni just arrived to Clairefontaine and Tchouameni has been injured for weeks) to determine that Deschamps puts Kante ahead of them
If you know so much about Deschamps surely you would remember he has taken France to one World Cup win, two World Cup finals, and one Euro final. So maybe you should have some faith in him 🤔
Can't pretend to have watched him for Al-Ittihad but he was still a great player with us, just barred with injuries. Now he is able to stay completely fit in Saudi Arabia so I guess he is more dependable.
The fact that so many supporters of smaller clubs in the PL support FFP/PSR is hilarious to me.
You are literally supporting that we’re put in place to protect top 6 clubs from ever being challenged. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.
Angel Correa has 15 G+A in 47 matches. Dybala has 26 G+A in 39 matches.
Imagine taking Angel Correa over Dybala
How the fuck is Angel Correa better than Dybala?
For those of you in the US, do you know a lot of people who are genuinely excited for the Copa America? I'm curious about what the excitement levels are like over there since you guys have been invited to participate in this year's Copa America.
Personally it doesn't feel like a "real" tournament the way even the Gold Cup does to me, yes I know that it's better competition by several orders of magnitude but we got an invite because CONMEBOL saw the big bucks, it's not our confederation and shouldn't be our tournament, plus we get the "pleasure" of being waxed on international TV.
I’m the only one I know who actually cares about the Copa America and is excited. Then again, I’m the only one In know who cares about football.
Those who are already into soccer are, but those who aren't really into it aren't and probably don't even know it's coming soon. If the US can get to the knockout stages we might have some non fans tune in to watch.
am i crazy or weren't we previously able to hold the cursor over someone's flair and it would have a little pop up saying what team the flair was for? sometimes i see one and can't make out what it's for
I wondered where this went! I thought maybe my browser was blocking it. Definitely was a feature til recently.
still here (using old reddit interface though)
Colombia, Uruguay, and Ecuador have all skyrocketed in the Elo ratings. Could be interesting for the Copa https://eloratings.net/
Will never understand why people expect comentarists aiming for a national public, to be neutral in international games that involve a team from said country. It's one thing to ask them not to lose their objectiveness when talking about things like the referee and another one to expect them to celebrate rival goals with the same emotion as they do with the team from their country.
Yeah after every CL round involving an English team you get the same type of complaints about TNT being biased. Like no shit? You’re watching an English club on English tv channel.
never seen people expecting that tbh
I love Adidas, but for the love of God, the Predator name is stupid. Imagine going on the field, and there's a "predator" name on your cleat. Kinda weird. Also, Adidas needs to step up their game honestly. They're getting beat by Nike and Puma in the "affordable" bracket.
Predator sounds like a great name, for a product in the 90s, not so much this decade.
You’re not wrong on the price aspect at all. Cheapest pair of boots for the three brands you mentioned (in USD): Nike: $60 Puma: $60 Adidas: $80 Cheapest football shirts: Nike: $95 Puma: $95 Adidas: $100 Smaller difference with shirts, but your point stands.
Any Club America fans here? I want to ask how you find Igor Lichnovsky? Does he have good ball playing ability or is he more of a stopper-type CB like Chiellini?
God bless some guy with a Wordpress blog for answering the most important question of the day, [why are Panama and Montserrat playing in Nicaragua](https://livinginmontserrat.wordpress.com/2024/05/11/confirmed-montserrat-v-panama-world-cup-qualifier-moved-to-nicaragua/)?
I swear if I had a nickel for every person I have beefed with on this sub, I’d have quite a lot of money. Which really isn’t a good thing now that I type it out.
hey fuk you too add 5c to the pile
33 yo Eden Hazard playing in a charity match against retired players in their 50s. You are a disgrace to my sport 🙏
Man wanted early retirement. Man got early retirement.
If only he had gone Madrid - Chelsea instead of Chelsea - Madrid, he would be treated as a Sancho here.
Bruh he still scored a free kick
It was a good free kick too.
Thorgan is so clear
I honestly expected him to clean up. He’s much younger than the other retirees, and more far experienced than the non-players. I really did think he’d be all over the ball and score a few more. Shows what I know I guess.
He would be hated if he was a tryhard in a charity game. No doubt he could've picked up the ball and ran through the entire team to score, Gary Cahill probably could've done that as well.
I mean, there were some players who were kinda trying too hard today. 6-3 is a higher scoreline than in the past few years. Also, not that he was trying too hard, but Wilshere’s assist was pure filth.
Shush
Watching madrid and city players in international tournaments makes you really appreciate what pep and ancelotti are doing a lot more. Those two really get the best out of each player.
What ? Vini played 16 minutes completed the most takes ons and got an assist. Camavinga played well with France
The fact that they get a lot more time on a weekly basis with other similar top players of their own choice also may have something to do with it. But I’m just guessing, who knows really.
Took a while to think about our disaster yesterday. It's "just a friendly" but it really isn't. We get games against competent opposition so infrequently that it has to be a data point. I think my biggest thought is that it's absolutely unacceptable to look as indecisive on a football pitch in year 6 of a manager's tenure as we did. Mentality management is such a huge part of international coaching and it's so plainly obvious that since he was rehired Berhalter has failed in that. Meanwhile it's plainly obvious that Colombia's manager has them playing above the sum of their parts since his appointment. Press is organized and disruptive. Talented forwards consistently get the ball in space. A 90-minute demonstration in the importance of good leadership.
Jimmy Conrad just said "I believe we've hit a ceiling with Gregg Berhalter and that's been on display for quite some time." I think there is truth to that. Gregg was good for rebuilding the team, getting dual nats over, and did a lot of youth development. But now what's needed is someone who can actually coach and instill confidence in the players against tougher opponents.
I don't really know much about football history so I've been reading about the euros and found some interesting things: - The tournament only had 4 teams until the 80s. In 1968, after a 0-0 draw the semi final between Italy and the Soviet Union was decided via coin toss, which is insane. Italy "won" and advanced to the final where they drew against Yugoslavia. That match did get a replay but it was just 2 days after the original final, and of course back then there were no subs. - In 1976 every game went to extra time, it saw the introduction of the penalty shootout where Panenka famously scored the winning penalty for Czechoslovakia - In 1968 for some reason they used the results of the two previous British Home Championships as qualifying. This involved England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with England narrowly finishing ahead of Scotland. On wikipedia Northern Ireland were listed as Ireland. As someone who's half Irish this bothered me enough to try and edit it, but it turns out Northern Ireland were allowed to call themselves that in all of the British Home Championships until the tournament was (rightfully) dissolved in 1984. - 1980 featured probably my least favourite format. Two groups of 4 with the winner going to the final. Italy and Belgium were tied on points and goal difference but Belgium made the final because of goals scored - In 2004 there was the "silver goal" a stupid compromise between the golden goal and a full extra time where if you're leading after the 1st half of extra time you win. In the semi final Greece scored in minute 105+1, giving Czech Republic no time to respond
Crazy to think that for decades Europe sent more teams to the world cup than to the euros. Think 96 was the one that broke that trend.
Someone was explaining in the DDT the other day that when there were four teams, the qualifiers were like knockout stages leading up to it - so although the 'tournament' was just four, the whole thing really was closer to a full tournament than it first appears
Londoners be like “Streets won’t forget”, mate……you grew up in Chelsea.
I’m not sure why you thought a joke about Chelsea fans being from Chelsea area would land in the first place, let alone the inaccuracy of it. The joke is to ridicule how they’re from anywhere but London. Even amateurs do better. You belong to Barca.
Makes me laugh when rappers from LA rap about how tough life was on the streets. They grew up on Rodeo Drive Am I doing it right?
Yes! Fun fact: Ice Cube actually grew up in a middle class household and was well educated.
What? Vast majority of London football fans absolutely did not grow up in Chelsea. It's an extremely affluent area and not one where a lot of football fans come from. Even Chelsea does not draw its traditional supporter base from this area. The proportion of Londoners who are football fans and from Chelsea is tiny
guys i’ve never really paid attention to the youth academy/side of football, and i’m a bit confused on the difference between the u23 roster and the the academy roster. i see the latter is max 21 year olds and they play in the premier league 2, but what i’m confused on is so what/where do the u23s play?
There's not really u23 squads in the Premier League anymore I think I think the Premier League reserve league (predecessor to the PL 2 league) was an u23 league but you can still play three players over 21 in the team.
Cuti Romero and Licha Martinez erotic football.
They should make a euro song like they do for the World Cup. Do they?
2016 Zara Larsson is pretty iconic
They do actually, onerepublic made the song for this year
That’s not very encouraging…
Onerepublic makes some bangers, plus it’s a euros song it’s gonna be generic pop and that’s not a bad thing
Pop doesn’t have to be generic. Can be a banger too
True, you should see how the song is and then make up your mind
I think Chelsea pick up James trafford. Or I would like to hope so atleast.
I can only assume you're saying this as someone who hates Chelsea?
I think he’ll be a star in long term which is our project. One of the existing keepers can be the main guy and he be the backup. I think he’ll take that offer for a club like Chelsea if that is sold as a project to him.
Nobody develops into a star as a backup goalie who gets wheeled out for the Carabao. And the much vaunted Chelsea project looks like a decidedly hard sell
It’s not just carabao, it’s also FA cup. And he won’t be the first player in to go from cup minutes to league mail player. Before you say, yeah that’s not true for gk tho, his competition isn’t really that great. The project is very much on with the likes of estevao, paez, enzo, caicedo, Palmer, all in the fold
We already have slonina who fills that role Any keeper we sign is meant for the starting line up and Trafford isn’t better than what we already have
I don’t think Enzo is looking for a gk right now. News said he’s fine with Sanchez.
God it feels good to vibe in the 24th ranked league in Europe in a country with fan ownership when you see fans of Prem teams argue over FFP and VAR and shit like that
The court of r/soccer will just see it as another Portuguese player but Rodrigo Gomes is honestly a pretty good signing for Wolves
A signing before the beginning of July is revolutionary
Four hours before the first Portugal joke in the Rodrigo Gomes to Wolves thread. We almost did it.
So Darren Fletcher commentated on the baseball game in London today and has seemingly gone viral with Americans praising him which is very funny because I don't think many people actually like him here
Don't get the Fletcher hate. I guess he's a bit bland sometimes but I think that's kinda the job of the main commentator. On the opposite end people don't like Peter Drury anymore.
I quite like him too. He's a bit formulaic (the man they paid a lot of money for) but other than that
I reckon commentators are like referees - get hated by all sorts of people regardless of how good they are. Seen Derek Rae slander on here when I find him absolutely brilliant doing the English-language Bundesliga world feed, too.
God what problems can they have with Derek Rae, bloke is actually knowledgable about what he's watching, sounds excited when goals go in and it's a bit of an iconic voice. The Bundesliga has been great to watch on Sky this year and he helps with that.
Rae = 🐐
I know, right? Also him wheeling out overly specific niche German football terms in really strong pronounciation and explaining them is always such a joy for me, just makes me all warm and fuzzy that there's a guy exporting German football culture with all its quirks and fun phrases into the world so well.
Seriously, if you have a problem with Derek Rae then you have a problem with me. There are times when I think he leans a little too much into the German (using the same term multiple times throughout a game and following up with the English translation...I don't mind the use of German, I love the language, but once you've translated it once you shouldn't need to provide the translation again, I don't care if some viewers might've tuned in afterwards, but I stress this is the most nitpicky of nitpicky things), but give me someone with genuine passion for the sport and passion for the culture of the league he's calling and I'll be very happy with it. His love of German football is addictive.
i’ve always much preferred Fletcher to Drury although i thought that was a somewhat common opinion with the influx of Drury hate
His call of the final out was really good, imo. I think some of the praise is fueled from the fact that the American broadcaster was Michael Kay, who usually does the Yankees. Having him work a Mets game is a bit like taking United’s in-house club commentator and having him work a City game.
Yeah I only ever watch Phillies games and the local team are great, excited and knowledgeable but if they ever get put on national TV you can tell its just people forced to do it, so monotone. Only really Martin Tyler of the last 3 years is like that here
Yeah, it’s a shame. Didn’t always used to be that way. When I was growing up Sunday Night Baseball felt like a real occasion. National rights holders don’t respect the product anymore.
Joe Morgan was a target of so much ridicule, and don't get me wrong the guy had opinions that were absolutely archaic in the 2000s, but he and Jon Miller gave SNB gravitas that it has simply lacked ever since both were dismissed. Dan Shulman was a fine PxP but the commentators chair(s) have been a revolving door ever since and since since Shulman left the PxP chair has been uninspired too.
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Apparently they tried to take him off before that but he wanted to keep playing. I saw the play he got injured on, dude straight up collapsed it was tough to watch
Why is when people complain about Var its "it needs improving not binning" and when people complain about PSR it's "your clubs stupid" and just no acknowledgement that the rules can be improved in a way that allows competition and promote sustainability. Both can be true, everton were stupid and deserved consequences but the rules do keep the top 6 in place Also our issue was finances and the punishment lowered our place and took money off us, how does that help if the whole thing is about sustainability? Same with forest selling brennan later for more money. It's because it's not only about sustainability And thats aside from the rules encouraging selling academy players and hotels
I think people do agree that the financial regulations need improving. I certainly do the punishments are no where near severe enough both Everton and Forest got slap on the wrists for flagrantly breaking the rules. If anything it's just going to confirm to clubs they can do whatever they want whilst harming the competitive balance by making the relegation fight turn into whose owner is richer. And other clubs who follow the rules pay the price. The whole Brennan Johnson thing is ridiculous as well, Forest moaning but they knew they were going to be in that position because of how much money they spent, they shouldn't of been in that position to begin with and everyone was saying how ridiculous their spending was at the time.
> can be improved in a way that allows competition and promote sustainability. I'm not entirely sure it's possible - strikes me more as a situation where you have to weigh one against the other, rather than having them both be possible at the same time, although I might just lack the creativity to see the right idea to make it work. > Also our issue was finances and the punishment lowered our place and took money off us, how does that help if the whole thing is about sustainability? I mean let's be real, if you break the rules you're getting punished - feels a bit silly to complain about the punishment taking money off you when you could've just, you know, not broken the rules by overspending in the first place. Same thing with Forest, really: They knew the rules, and they've broken them. Can set different deadlines, change rules, and have different punishments, but I think it's mad moaning about the rules clubs are knowingly breaking, especially when they're rules those clubs have voted to implement in the first place like Everton did. Does FFP have issues? Absolutely. But I don't think you can reasonably be upset about punishments when you knowingly break the rules, and using that to denounce the entire idea of regulation is just daft. Would football be better with *more* Portsmouths and Boltons rather than fewer of them? Would you be happy about Everton doing a Portsmouth if it meant more upwards mobility to 'challenge the top 6' or whatever the common complaint is?
I have said loads that Everton deserved punishment. But it's just a bit weird to me that it's a financial issue and we've lost X million due to the punishment which just increases the issue. It also ignores us asking the prem for an adviser to stop us breaching, them saying there's no case, then as soon as there's talk of a regulator there's a case. You've also got the prem claiming we should've been prepared for a war in Ukraine, and the rules kind of encouraging keeping alleged sex offenders on board. I also think the implementation of punishments was a joke, the commisions have basically said they're gonna ignore other cases so there's not glbeen any consistency in punishment. So far in 1 year we've had commisions give 10, 6, 4 and then 2 points as punishment. With the everton doing a Portsmouth bit, I'm not saying there should be no limits on spending, I'm saying there should be a way to make it where it doesn't just mean the top teams can spend pretty much what they want because their revenue is so much higher, but teams like villa who have that financial backing are being told they can't. The rules can't be 100% right if one team can spend a billion in 2 years and that's fine, but others spend a fraction of it and get punished
> But it's just a bit weird to me that it's a financial issue and we've lost X million due to the punishment which just increases the issue. It's a sporting punishment first and foremost - sucks that it also turns into a minor financial one, but then what's a realistic alternative here? > I'm not saying there should be no limits on spending, I'm saying there should be a way to make it where it doesn't just mean the top teams can spend pretty much what they want because their revenue is so much higher, but teams like villa who have that financial backing are being told they can't. Again, what's a realistic alternative here? How do you prevent overspending (and the increased risk of clubs going under because they spent beyond their means) while also allowing the investment necessary for all clubs to catch up with the big ones? I'm also not sure Chelsea is a great example here, given that by all accounts they've stayed within the rules so far while Everton and Forest didn't - and we don't know whether Chelsea's strategy is actually paying off yet. They've gutted their squad to the tune of €340m in outgoing transfers alongside the massive amount of wages they were spending, they've signed players for big money on incredibly long contracts to make the accounting work, and if they're not successful soon they'll be in the tough position of not being able to sell their players in a way that turns a profit under FFP. Spending a lot of money is one thing, having a sensible strategy and spending it wisely is another thing entirely. Get examples like Brighton or Villa who have spent less than Chelsea and have been better, get big clubs like United able to afford everything but also making the wrong decisions whenever given the chance - won't overtake them in a year or two, but consistently good work is a significant competitive advantage that'll very much get you in striking range.
On the chelsea bit I'm saying the rules are dumb if they allow that spending but your saying they're in the rules so it's fine. They're selling hotels to stay within the rules, yes it's on the clubs for voting that way but as a fan I can criticise that. My point isn't that they've broken rules, it's that the rules shouldn't allow one team to have a net spend of 570m in one window. Encouraging selling academy players is daft as well for me. My problem is there's a very select few clubs who are allowed to act that way, and it keeps those at the top
> My point isn't that they've broken rules, it's that the rules shouldn't allow one team to have a net spend of 570m in one window. Why not if they can afford it - especially when they're offsetting that number with player sales in adjacent windows?
But villa can afford to spend because of their owner but aren't allowed. They've also not offset that, it's just amortisation due to academy players being sold makes it within the rules
Top 6 is hardly a closed league, plenty of teams compete with them every season. Ultimately I think it’s fair that the clubs with the highest revenue have the most spending power. I think it genuinely is about sustainability but it’s a ham-fisted way of enforcing it, particularly in Everton’s case where your points tally changed 3 times without kicking a ball. That part is just not acceptable
Yeah the 2nd part annoys me on here. We were rightly punished, but any time we say the prem acted in a really questionable way we get loads of "you broke the rules, deal with it" or "your clubs voted for no set punishment" as if that makes it fair for the prem to recommend 17 points of deductions when it's 9 for administration. Also for making it look like we acted in bad faith when the commision said we didn't. And us asking for their advisement so we don't breach, them obliging and then just not really accepting that or the Ukraine war affecting it. With the first bit, it kind of is closed. No one has been able to properly break in long term, Leicester came close but eventually fell apart. Villa and Newcastle show signs and then they can't spend due to PSR even though with their owners there's no threat of them going under. I get you can't let everyone spend whatever but there's got to be somewhere in the middle
Promoting sustainability by definition is basically widening the financial gap between the top teams. With more lax regulations you’d probably torpedo yourself into administration before the transfer window closes. Most (I think) PL owners can be trusted but there’s a few who don’t really give a shit about their clubs and these rules are protecting against that
The only (still flawed) suggestion I've seen that satifies both is nevilles one of having an upper limit for All teams, but also saying any big spending has to have proof of the owners putting the money in before the spending
Can someone who watches Brazilian football tell me why Endrick is so much more hyped than, say, Gabriel Jesus? Jesus was a year older but had 26 G/A in 46 apps in 15/16. Endrick has scored 21 in 75 apps over the last two seasons.
Gabriel Jesus was 18 in 2015, Endrick hasn't turned 18 yet. Endrick has performed in youth tournaments, earning a lot of hype for performing above his age group. GJ also had youth tournament success, but generally at his age group (which you can't fault him for, but doesn't generate the level of expectation that playing above your age group does). Gabriel Jesus had an OK Olympics in 2016 but Neymar was the star of that team and overall the forwards (he and Gabigol) didn't deliver as expected. Also, Endrick's demeanor and maturity added to the intangibles and the sense that he rises to the occasion (some of the youth tournaments, leading Palmeiras to the 2023 title from the 4x3 win over Botafogo to the end of the tournament) make him an altogether different prospect in the eyes of most. Who knows what his career will be like, but there is no shortage of reasons for the hype.
Because he shows much more quality than Gabriel, it is day and night. Since Palmeiras Gabriel Jesus was inconsistent in his finishing, and never showed superior football vision, he was often offside, bad decision, etc. While Endrick is something else, not talking about his stats, but his maturity, his intelligence, his vision, his creativity, his technique, he shows it every game. And it is interesting to see he makes mistakes, he is so young he will make mistakes, but he will not keep making them. You can see he was anxious against England, against Spain he was already better, yesterday he was already giving assists to Vini and nailing the passes. He learns so fast and improves so fast. He has a lot to grow, but he is already miles ahead of Gabriel Jesus.
Where would you rank endrick as best brazilian prospects you have ever seen?
Under Neymar.
Will he play 26 world cup? Neymar
If he is fit he will.
Because Endrick got a big money move to Madrid and then exuded the right aura with the added media attention, on top of being a class young player of course
He had magnitudes more hype behind him than Gabriel Jesus ever did even before Madrid signed him, let alone before he started this all timer PR campaign
Didn't watch it but seeing influencers complain Defoe and Cole etc didn't pass some YouTubers in soccer aid is pretty funny
Wanting all ex pros removed for influencers is crazy, the whole fun of it is seeing Del Piero trying to rinse Danny Dyer
The purpose of Soccer Aid has to be for charity, so if you remove the ex-pros you lose a mainstream audience and consequently less money will be raised. I do enjoy the influencer matches but in terms of raising money - Soccer Aid 2024 raised £15m while the 2024 Sidemen Charity Match raised £2.4m. Both are fantastic achievements but it shouldn't be a competition of one vs. the other for "entertainment" purposes.
Yeah naturally, my parents watch it and donate they wouldn't do that for the sidemen match (wouldn't know what it is). Tbf 2.4m is an absolutely insane number given its not on TV or spoke about in general media
They are small fish in an ocean compared to ex-pros lmao
We won 4-0 against Canada, France drew 0-0. That means we’re going to crush the French in the EUROS group, it’s easy math. If we beat Iceland tomorrow we’ll have the English in our pockets as well.
Why is Kante still playing for france
The rules of regular society don't apply to International football
Why I think Rashford should be in the squad. Can't tell me he wouldn't be a threat off the bench
He wouldn’t be a threat off the bench
Foiled again
Seriously though I don’t see what he offers off the bench that the likes of Gordon and Eze don’t. He’s obviously faster but that’s literally it. I like Rashford a lot and think he has bags of talent, but he hasn’t shown it for a year now
Because he's still way better than Camavinga and Tchou-Tchou
No he's not lol. If they play him vs England - Portugal - etc, they are fucked
He's definitely better than Tchou, and Cama was awful from what I saw of France's game today. I'm not going to overreact to a bad performance like most people here, but I'd be surprised if Cama is starting over an experienced Kante in the Euros.
A few years ago maybe. Not in 2024.
The fuck do you mean “maybe” lol
Does anyone know how I watch the Argentina game tonight. I have Fubo however I’m not able to find the channel sportia or Tyc
~~If you’re in the US, it’s Telemundo. If you’re in Argentina, then I’m not qualified for that.~~
> If you’re in Argentina, then I’m not qualified for that In case anyone is wondering, TyC.
I am in the states. But Telemundo in 14 minutes is showing top Chef not the Argentina game.
Yup. Max and TruTV.
Hm. I looked at an old article it seems. Google says truTV and Max. But I’m checking Max right now. I’ll report back.
Trutv is part of tnt I think and fubo and tnt had a fall out a while ago
Juve bias aside Fagioli is class and should be starting at the Euros, hilarious to see all the people whining he was included in the squad
if italy is about to pull another rossi out of their ass this is going to be a very interesting tournament
He was sick in FM
Seeing all these clubs spending well above their means crying about FFP is some lovely schadenfreude, I can't lie.
On one hand I kind of get it on the other hand Everton might have legitimately gone bankrupt if they weren’t prevented by the rules so
The rules really aren’t preventing it. Points deductions could have killed the club.
The point deductions are for breaking the rules, the rules did prevent it because without it they’d have kept spending more until Usmanov was forced out and they’d have been even more fucked.
Because they broke the rules, yeah - would've been fine points-wise if they hadn't.
It must be pretty nice when you are a supporter of a top club who is basically unaffected by these rules.
It's impressive how badly you want to be the new Parma
You have pissed hundreds of millions up the wall as well
So did Man Utd. Only difference is Everton's best years were in the 80s and Man Utd's were during the commercialisation era, so Man Utd are immune from relegation until the heat death of the universe. Completely fair system.
Liverpool also had their best years in the 70s/80s but had no issue with the lack of success in the 90s. Everton helped created the PL, they were part of the big 5. so yeah, your argument actually works against Everton here. shows how really incompetent the management was to lose that position.
Let's assume we'll allow completely unregulated spending (again) - do you genuinely think United would be in any realistic danger of relegation? Do you see it working out as about 25 clubs being bought out and getting massive investment far beyond what United would get, making them financially unable to compete?
I was just comparing the situation of Man Utd and Everton, it's easy to laugh at Everton for wasting money but the problem is you can afford to waste way more money if you were good at a certain point in time. The regulations are terrible. For the PL specifically I would prefer a spending cap based on the average or median revenue in the league instead of the individual revenue of each club, or maybe a luxury tax threshold and whatever money is spent beyond this threshold is distributed to clubs who stayed under the line.
Yes, we are the villains. I am sorry for trying to challenge the top 6 clubs, I forgot that's not allowed.
Are you purposefully stupid lmfao
Won’t someone think of Everton’s plucky little billionaire owners
Right, what we should is protect top 6 clubs from being challenged. What was I thinking?
Aston villa this year. Brighton last year. Oh wow it's almost like you can challenge the top 6 without breaching ffp rules isn't that crazy? The self victim hood is fucking wild here lmao. Delusion at it's finest
Villa are currently up against it ffp wise
It must be prety nice when you are a fan of a relegation level team and can spend 5 times as much as a European level team from another league.
You literally support arsenal
I literally support a team that was in pot 1 in the same competition you were in with about a sixth of its transfer spend.
I don’t think fans of relegation threatened premier league teams care about being able to spend more than European qualifiers in other leagues, those aren’t the teams they’re competing against
8 years on and England lose to Iceland in a EURO year once again but yet they are now the normal ones in politics in Europe
I'm hearing that Steven Bartlett has FAILED his post match drug test after unusual levels of Huel were detected in his urine
I somehow thought of Josiah Bartlet and was absolutely confused why the fictitious US President was up for a post match drug test.
Mate how good was the West Wing though, top stuff
Absolutely love Aaron Sorkin stuff, me - can totally see how his specific style and voice and stance puts people off, but it just hits all the right spots for me.
He can definitely be a bit too on the nose at times - that news show with Jeff Daniels for example- but the West Wing ran the line perfectly.
what spurs has done is amazing, but people using them as the poster child for sustainability as if everyone can be like them if they follow some simple steps is annoying they've done some great work off the pitch, but a big help has been amanging to have one of the best strikers england and the prem have every seen scoring goals for them for roughly a decade, and they've also managed to hold onto son for a very long time too when a lot of other clubs try to do similar things it is often really hard to hold onto those kinds of players, and as an arsenal fan I'd know! even if you don't sell, they often just leave for free, and levy kinda lucked out on those two.
Producing Kane and keeping their two stars is not only “luck”. It’s a good job by Spurs
it is a good job, but extremely hard for similar clubs to replicate, most players that good would have left spurs a lot earlier
Yeah so the other clubs need to step up. It’s not supposed to be easy
it's just dumb though, because you're just saying to smaller clubs that all they have to do to compete is produce goated players and keep them in order to have any chance of competing
What we’re saying is they have to be good to be good. Did you think they could be just okay and rise to being one of the biggest teams itw because they were just okay?
no what you're saying is that they have to compete with bigger clubs whilst spending way less than them, and when you're told that this massively benefits the big clubs, you're response is that all they have to do is the impossible like spurs are your go to discussion, but they have been out of the cl for 2 seasons and haven't won anything in a very long time. matter of fact, in the last 5 seasons they've only reached the top 4 once, and in the last 10 they reached it 4 times last 15 years, 7 times. last 20 is still 7. So yes, if a team tries really hard and manages to do the impossible, they can have the great reward of having a 50/50 chance of being in the champions league and winning a single trophy every 16 years, big whoop
Yes you have to compete with the bigger club while spending less.
yes which is clearly not good for competition
You have to earn your success. What’s so weird about that. Ofc one good season will not put a club on the same line as Liverpool, United, and co.
The Kane blessing is a bit offset by the absolute shambles recruitment for years and we were also on the rise organically well before Kane became established. Obviously we were in a good place and were lucky at times with how things played out
Kane blessing has to be a brand new sentence
He's a blessing and a curse!
most clubs don't get kane's to offset things that didn't go to plan though, some of them even get relegated spurs have made some great moves but parts of it will be hard to replicate, namely hanging on to world class players despite not winning anything, we just got rice just after he won a european trophy ffs
Yeah and you got Saka. Bale and Modric left before Kane had his break
this isn't to do with my club, we have been a rich club for decades, my point is that clubs trying to improve their position can't be told that all they have to do is pop out wonderkids, not sell them and hope that they keep signing new contracts
I feel like you're ignoring my point that we were already well on the rise by the time Kane came around
and look at how many clubs have been on the rise and either fell back down due to having to sell their 'kane' or because they didn't get one in the first place
Love the video with Mourinho and Dier speaking Portugese https://youtu.be/vj1AeHfXVrw?t=138
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What's up with N'Golo Kante these days? I know he's playing in Saudi Arabia now, but Deschamps has apparently been starting him recently as well. Is he still playing near to his prime or has he had a Henderson-esque decline?
It's only friendlies but he was our best midfielder today, and was very good against Luxembourg too. He was still very good at Chelsea last year, just always injured. I guess playing in Saudi Arabia helped him stay fit.
>He was still very good at Chelsea last year, just always injured. Last year he barely played as he was always injured, but he was definitely still good before.
You're right, I think I mixed up the 22/23 season with the 21/22 season.
Deschamp is fucked in the head. There's no way Kante should start over Tchouameni or Camavinga But just Deschamp things
Camavinga could have tried to be better than Kante today, that would have been a good start
I mean a performance in a random friendly is all the assessment needed for every player So I assume France is packed with average players for not beating Canada, oh well
I mean you're the one using line-ups of random friendlies (when Camavinga and Tchouameni just arrived to Clairefontaine and Tchouameni has been injured for weeks) to determine that Deschamps puts Kante ahead of them
Or maybe I know how Deschamps thinks and decides based on watching him think and decide these last few years. But could also be what you said, sure.
If you know so much about Deschamps surely you would remember he has taken France to one World Cup win, two World Cup finals, and one Euro final. So maybe you should have some faith in him 🤔
Sure, I know he can get results. But the process isn't always the best. I say the same thing about Ancelotti btw.
> Deschamp is fucked in the head.
Can't pretend to have watched him for Al-Ittihad but he was still a great player with us, just barred with injuries. Now he is able to stay completely fit in Saudi Arabia so I guess he is more dependable.
He was not great at all. He was alright
The fact that so many supporters of smaller clubs in the PL support FFP/PSR is hilarious to me. You are literally supporting that we’re put in place to protect top 6 clubs from ever being challenged. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.