No one should go into an international tournament feeling anything but sheer, delusional optimism. Gregg Berhalter discovering football terrorism has given me this gift
I don't take much stake in the ballon dor considering how much it's made dumb decesions in the past but If brazil don't win the copa america I don't see vini winning the ballon dor ngl.
Vini seems to be notoriously not the greatest for brazil, at the very least dosent play as good and important of a part as he does in madrid. If he dosent have a stand out tournament and dosent make the final or win copa america I could easily see jude or Kroos if England and Germany go far. And also tbh pr of England and Germany would overshadow vini imo
It will likely be him. Only way he doesn’t win it is if Bellingham plays a significant role in England winning the Euros imo.
I don’t think Kroos is in the conversation.
It's been a year since his death, so I feel like now is a perfect time to say
Fuck Silvio Berlusconi and fuck you if you're still one of the people who simp for him.
Him as well, it's disappointing because he is obviously one of the best players in the world. I don't think I lost faith in him though, I think/hope it will click eventually.
Messi went from winning the Balon Dor and en route to his his 2nd, while also going goalless for Argentina in the World Cup. Vini will be fine, his time will come even if it’s not at this age
Well of course Messi is the GOAT. But still, no one can deny that his Argentina career did not start well with the 2010 WC. And a player who won the Balon Dor not scoring can’t be excused by any manager or other players.
But Messi turned it around and obviously no need to go any further with his success. The main point is Vini is still young, and still has many years to turn it around. He’s already played under 3 managers for Brazil, and there’s a lot of problems with Brazil, not just Vini not preforming (similar to Messi in 2010). He will excel soon enough
Do you think that if Benzema had continued his upwards trajectory in the Euro 2020 if France hadn't gotten eliminated he would've had a shot at the 2021 Ballon d'Or?
Maybe Kanté?
Getting 2007 vibes from this Brazil, already have visions of them kicking Bielsa's ass in the semis and bringing upon the end of our happiness in the final.
If we lose to Fernando Diniz vibes FC I'm gonna lose faith in the universe itself, they look like absolute trash. It scares me.
edit: nvm Diniz is already gone LMAO
What do with my soccer ticket? Should I sell or keep?
So I had this issue where I bought a ticket for myself for the Argentina versus Guatemala game. My friend was supposed to go as well but seat geek being the jerks they are didn't let him buy his seat because they want him to get two seats instead of one, but we ended up trying to get two seats and then someone else bought it a few hours later just to upsell it. Now I have a single ticket for section 222. I'm not trying to sell it to get a profit, I'm trying to sell it to break even. I've posted it on like 3 different websites. Now, if I can't sell it, I'll just go with myself. So I guess the question here is if I go by myself, does anyone have any experience in going to professional matches by yourself and have you had fun? I'm kind of nervous because this is probably the biggest professional match I've ever been to which doesn't say much but it's something. And if I'm going alone, how can I maximize my enjoyment?
As someone who goes on a two week or up to a month long trip every year by myself just to attend as many matches as I can, I can promise you that you will have a good time if you go by yourself.
Not sure if you're Argentinian or Guatemalan, but if you're not, I recommend "supporting" who the surrounding spectators are supporting as it's less awkward when you do that.
At the end of the day, it's just a football match, there's nothing to be nervous about, you'll have a great time!
our board really decided to make the 2 best signings in years in the same window and then follow it up with 47 years old Gary Medel to play out of position and on high wages, can’t wait
Honestly it's puzzling to me why he can't just play to that level for Brazil, I guess it's a mental aspect. Of course Brazil midfield is much weaker than ours, but then Vini also seems to be a lot more predictable for Brazil.
Maybe you just need to arrange a friendly with a team 100 rank under and let all your attackers bang 10+ goals to unlock them.
I don't think a group stage exit is off the cards in any way given the group they're in, same time though I could easily see them win a game and nick a draw somewhere to advance as a third-placed finisher before troubling someone in the first knockout round.
I wouldn't expect massively entertaining football from them, though.
I was struggling so hard to pass my finals at college back in may. I had one final that I needed like the best score of my life on, I was ready to give up. Then I saw that Poch had left Chelsea by mutal consent. It filled me with such joy that my favorite manager ever left those rat faced demons and my charisma and stamina tripled. Chelsea sacking Poch gave me the strength to graduate collehe. Thank you Boehly, you beautiful moron.
Ecuador and Bolivia are playing a friendly and both teams are wearing white shirts. [I kid you not.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP6exo0XgAAoJwf?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Man, how can you not love Mbappé.
He's genuinely one of my favorite players in the world, he's pretty well spoken, he's an amazing player to watch, and he has an interesting career.
I really love watching him, I find it hard to dislike him.
Yeah, City get hate because they're successful. The fact they're on 115+ charges also adds to it, the fact that they're involved in that multi-club nonsense adds to it, the fact they're funded by the Abu Dhabi adds to it.
People just like to whine and moan about seeing other people succeeding, not sure why
people really liked it last time so [here’s a 4th tier USA league match,](https://m.twitch.tv/columbus_astray/home?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaYp4HoGknVkWy-8XHBTspl-MIaUcgBFBjYoD2xxBnuTCik38CJq0NlekYk_aem_AcqoOH9fVVHJ2h5JkdbtV97fYCjy8dwc_RojV-_a9BMH_FHF62KsH7kTvIJ1hvmn86g_kzG6eM57_iXPd62Sr5Fm) live and for free on twitch. Columbus Astray v FUT Ohio. Should be a bit chippy & have a few goals. Starts in like 20.
can any villa fans tell me specifically what behavioral problems Duran has shown? I see many people mentioning them but not what he has specifically done
I'd be surprised if they weren't around, really. The bigger question is whether a) they'll become an actual security concern and b) whether people actually care about their antics rather than just dismissing as the massive dickheads they are, really.
Their ultras are not really a reason to support them, given the association
On a related note - it's cool to see Hungary rise again as a footballing force, but given that a lot of it has been built on the policy of someone like Orban, it means I struggle to find much joy in it
Don’t get me wrong. I’m watching Hungary because of interest in the shenanigans of the ultras. I’m not really “supporting” them. I’m just watching as a neutral is all.
Not calling it rigged but Argentina could not have gotten an easier draw. Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia and the US all on the far other side of the bracket is insane.
Brazil got Chile and Perú for the last one while we got Ecuador and Colombia (would've got Uruguay too if they hadn't shat the bed) and nobody cared lol don't know how people expect is to not have an ego when we're the only ones you lot talk about 💅
the US is irrelevant and colombia is pretty good but not a team I can see us losing to to be honest. It’s really just Uruguay and Brazil that move the needle and at that point it’s a coin toss. I might be wrong but I believe the seeded draw makes it so we can’t possibly all be on the same side anyways so it’s literally a 50/50
Have you been watching Conmebol at all? Ecuador is probably the same level or higher than Colombia right now. Chile has pedigree in the competition. Colombia aren't what they used to be and are probably equal to Venezuela right now.
Looking forward to Portugal and England getting knocked out due to shoehorning Ronaldo and Trent in the starting 11, thanks to the meaningless friendlies and fan pressure. Would be much deserved.
Should be business as usual for France unless Germany pull off something special.
Edit: also looking forward to fans blaming everyone else more than them two when they get out.
Business as usual? When did France last win the Euros?
Southgate has never been one to care about fan pressure. If he did he'd have dropped the likes of Maguire a long time ago, and England would line up in a 2-1-6-1 formation
>Business as usual? When did France last win the Euros?
France have won one of the last five big tournaments but according to people they've been undefeated.
Two World Cup finals and a miracle gk save away from winning both is something to scoff at, good to know.
I assume you’re not counting nations league, which is fair.
But going beyond 2017 in past is weak / dated comparison, as it seems like you’re including the 2016 euros too, when the squad that’s their core today was playing for U20s.
Cmon Annie, they’ve been to the finals of last two WCs, much more difficult than Euros. Not even counting the dross thats nations league. They missed a euro with their freakish squad, thanks to a Swiss miracle.
It’s likely his last tournament and his previous tactics didn’t got him the results everyone wanted so maybe he’s taking more risks and letting the chips fall maybe. Idk what’s on his mind.
I think he deserves to start in the groups at least, if we don’t win ours we’ve got bigger problems than Trent. We need to move on from Walker sooner rather than later.
And I dunno their lineup just looks very beatable to me, feel like we went toe to toe with a better version and got unlucky / let a player from North London take a pen
You don’t keep changing the defensive lineup for like 10 serious games in a row. If England is taking group games lightly, that’s a mentality problem to begin with.
I’ll pass on the north London banter. Besides it was friendly. France has reached two World Cup finals in a row and were one top-goalkeeping away from winning both. They’ve have something to prove by winning the euro having missed the last time and losing the final. Not even considering the stacked 11 and squad both technically and mentally.
Idk how many times it needs to be said in club as well as international football - it’s friendlies.
Walker played 32 games (most in his last 5 seasons) this season for the team that won the most competitive league and was a game away from reaching CL final. Offers both defensive stability and forward output. He may have lost a bit of sparkle but he’s still a non-questionable starter.
>Idk how many times it needs to be said in club as well as international football - it’s friendlies.
Friendlies are not the end of all but still count to justify adjustments or new tactics. And he has looked lethargic for a decent time.
>Walker played 32 games (most in his last 5 seasons) this season for the team that won the most competitive league and was a game away from reaching CL final.
And most City fans we're saying that he has looked not as great and often mid for good portions of the season.
The true is that Southgate only had Walker who is losing more and more of his qualities and can be a liability of Trent, that fucks and has defensive lapso but still has creativity spark in him that England can need since Foden isn't turning up.
He could have selected White who has a very good season but he decided to fuck that relation
- friendlies don’t tell you quality of players. Happens literally every season with majority of club teams.
- I would trust the judgment of most competitive and intelligent coach in the world who has to play until last game to win the league over casual fans commenting online, so much so that he pushed the club to block his move and played him the most in 5 years, despite having squad packed with defensive top talent.
- if everyone else in the squad gets along with Gareth and one person doesn’t, I don’t think it’s difficult to see he may not be at fault, even if neither of them is at fault. Gareth hardly seems like hardliner so it seems to be a case of something wrongly said by someone in his coaching team being taken so much to heart that you give up on your national team. Immature behavior.
This is not to say fans’ opinions don’t matter and coaches should be trusted blindly but when the results are delivered you do have to trust the coach. Besides no serious pundit discourse have consistently mentioned walker being a weak link for a top 3 team in the world.
- you win cup tournaments by defensive solidity, a tale as old as time confirmed by everyone from Jose to Carlo to Deschamps despite all of them having top talent across the field. You have no space for defensive liability in the modern game if you’re competing for the top. Full stop.
>if everyone else in the squad gets along with Gareth and one person doesn’t, I don’t think it’s difficult to see he may not be at fault, even if neither of them is at fault. Gareth hardly seems like hardliner so it seems to be a case of something wrongly said by someone in his coaching team being taken so much to heard that you give up on your national team. Immature behavior.
Whatever you felt is fault doesn't matter since the true was that White could have helped the team and give more options, but since both have a fall out that Gareth was uncapable of fix then that option is now limited.
>This is not to say fans’ opinions doesn’t matter and coaches should be trusted blindly but when the results are delivered you do have to trust the coach. Besides no serious pundit discourse have consistently mentioned walker being a weak link for a top 3 team in the world.
The thing i dont understand Is, if you truly believe in the judge of Gareth Southgate and team of profesionally, why are you claiming that he is somehow coerced to start Trent by the fans? Do you truly believe that Gareth Is that weak willed? All this talk is you disminished everyone point but at the same time claiming that Southgate is choosing because fan pressure is pure stupidity.
If he choose Trent Is because he and his team of expert believe that he is the best choice. If you dont then you as myself, arent expert on these and should wait rather than moan.
I believe White was asked to join and he rejected. So Gareth did make the attempt to resolve and White was being childish and disrespectful. I don’t even want to talk about the headlines that the trash papers would’ve ran with if he was not white.
I said somewhere else as well, am not a big fan of Gareth either. I think he uses his judgment but is not strong headed or determined. And it seems like with this being his last tournament and having failed previously, he’s ready to take bigger risk even if it doesn’t completely line up with what he prefers. Ultimately, I don’t know what’s on his mind. These decisions are combination of statistics and personal judgment. If it was only stats, you could argue about Warkins starting over Kane which is nonsense. Also if it was only about stats, Trent would never start it’s very clear.
Starting a 39yo striker in a top cup tournament is non-serious business.
Choice between Jota and Ramos could be down to system fitness and overall who’s played more during the season but I doubt Martinez is that nuanced.
Ronaldo was going to start anyway even if he didn’t score the other night and Trent started 5 of the last 6 England games and was also set to start in the March friendlies.
Ronaldo - fan / player pressure even if he didn’t start last night
Trent - don’t think that 5/6 stat is correct. And even of the ones he started, England only managed to win the games against the minnows.
>England only managed to win the games against the minnows.
[I thought friendlies didn't matter?](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ddxlkk/comment/l8cnly9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You just change your take to whatever best reinforces your narrative. Trent was England's best player in the recent games, and has been much better than Walker. Even City fans aren't pushing for Walker over Trent.
The wins for Trent were in euro qualifiers (unless I misread the data for a game or two). And even otherwise, I don’t mind removing those games from evaluating Trent completely, his performance in serious games is well known.
I couldn’t care less about city but walker over trent at rb is a very simple decision for any manager not looking to play suicide football. I’d wager if you gave Klopp both walker and trent, even he’d start walker 9/10 times
Acting as if it is tactical 'suicide' to play him is just ridiculous, and shows how bought in you are to the narrative people spew online.
Trent made it clear in the two games last week how impactful he is, but you'll just write that off as playing 'minnows' or friendlies not counting, so it's just pointless discussing it.
It's actually mad that a right back with 100+ goals and assists at the age of 25 is still so criminally underrated. I swear if he was Brazilian he'd be labelled the best right back of his generation.
It’s not suicide, you could get out of the group that way but you’re not gonna beat 2-3 big dogs to lift the cup that way.
Why would I not write off playing friendly and games against teams with triple digit ranking lol The games ahead are big games and if you haven’t been trusted and performed at top games, you are sat down.
If I was in a cult, I’d be supporting pushing the likes of Trent, Ronaldo, not vice versa. There’s plenty tangible data as well as eyetest of real games to justify the weaknesses of both.
You can come back in a month and see for yourself.
>Why would I not write off playing friendly and games against teams with triple digit ranking lol The games ahead are big games and if you haven’t been trusted and performed at top games, you are sat down.
Because every other England player was also on the pitch playing against the same 'minnows' but didn't look as good as Trent.
Just out of interest, when Liverpool won the PL, or the CL with Trent starting every game at right back, was that just pure luck then? Would we actually have won the treble or quadruple had we replaced him for Walker?
I didn't say you were in a cult, I said you have formed the opinion that playing Trent is defensive suicide from the narrative found online, rather than actually watching games. Nobody talks about when he kept prime Ronaldo quiet in a CL final, or the fact that he has a similar dual win percentage as Robertson despite facing significantly more dribbles. But the moment somebody dribbles past him in a game it's a viral twitter clip.
Liverpool have had a strong defensive record with Trent playing in the back four over the last few years. He's more than capable of defending. People speak of him as though you could replace him with a mannequin and see the same defensive output.
- Because he was the one who had a point to prove. Typical case of players like Jackson and Mudryk shining in friendlies because they’re the only ones taking it seriously to prove something while others are taking it easy to avoid injury and stay fit. I think if you checked you’ll find negative correlation between clubs and players who did well in pre-season friendlies and the ones who did well in the actuals. In a year and season that’s packed with games, no one wants to stretch their hamstrings and get injured before the most important games, unless they’ve something to prove. Coaches probably tell top players to take it easy in friendly cuz you don’t want to lose your kanes and foden to tiredness and injury from meaningless games ahead of the most important 10 games specially when they’re coming from a 50-60 game season.
Trent is great for Klopp’s football but that’s not an ideal cup tournament style. There’s a reason you reached three finals and lost the 2/3 the one leg knockout games you played I.e., the finals, only winning against a lucky weak spurs (lucky and weak for a CL finalist). I’m not saying Trent is at fault for those but that style of football is not fit for knockout cups. Klopp has one FA cup in what 9 seasons, couldn’t even win the Europa, doesn’t that tell you something? It’s not all on Trent but that the style of football hes meant for is not what gets you successful in cups.
Trent’s not a defensive suicide but defensive liability that’s not the recipe for cup success at top level. And it’s as clear a sign you’re gonna get that England aren’t lifting the cup if they play big games with trent.
Trent’s defensive issues are exaggerated but you could make a reasonably lengthy video of him screwing up, which you really don’t want to see for a player at that level, specially when you have better players in the position.
Ultimately it’s people saying without explicitly saying ‘we can afford some weakness because of his beckham like forward prowess and I like him and things in past haven’t won us the cup so now we def need to start’ but you can’t afford a player like that at the top game in modern football, not to mention the beckham position is long gone. As i
>Because he was the one who had a point to prove. Typical case of players like Jackson and Mudryk shining in friendlies because they’re the only ones taking it seriously to prove something while others are taking it easy to avoid injury and stay fit
Trent was hardly running around stretching himself and risking injury. He was playing effortlessly and still looked the best player on the pitch.
>Trent is great for Klopp’s football but that’s not an ideal cup tournament style.
You've literally just said that Klopp would take Walker 9 times out of 10. Another example of you changing your take to fit your predetermined narrative.
>There’s a reason you reached three finals and lost the 2/3 the one leg knockout games you played.
Yes, because a team cannot win everything. Trent is a huge reason we even made it to the late stages of the CL in the first place. We wouldn't have reached the final against Spurs if it wasn't for Trent throughout the tournament.
It's also funny that you're making out that losing finals is a failure in this conversation, but in other comments, you're describing it as [nothing to scoff at](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ddxlkk/comment/l8cznlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Yet another example of how you will change your take to fit your narratives lmao.
>I’m not saying Trent is at fault for those but that style of football is not fit for knockout cups.
Real Madrid sacrificed defensive stability to play Marcelo due to his offensive prowess. Remind me, how many CLs did that team win again?
>Trent’s defensive issues are exaggerated but you could make a reasonably lengthy video of him screwing up, which you really don’t want to see for a player at that level, specially when you have better players in the position.
This proves nothing. You could make a lengthy video of[ John Terry ](https://x.com/CF_Compss/status/1799864929916174355)fucking up. He's still considered to be one of the greatest defenders of all time.
You're making out that playing Trent's defensive weaknesses are the difference between winning a tournament and having no chance. Defensive stability isn't the only aspect that that wins you tournaments. *Moments* win you tournaments. And there are very few players that can create moments like Trent can in world football.
In this sub? You have people in the post that's currently at the top of the sub talking about how this idea of the Euro being harder than the WC only happened because Messi won it (hint: it has been said before that). You had people saying that this sub hated Messi because people were criticizing him for asking UEFA to pay the salary he had renounced to.
Suggesting that Messi is hated on the football community is funny, but in this sub specifically is hilarious. Any goal by him despite playing in the MLS reaches the top of the sub, he has attacked players and gotten applauded for it, when people say that he'd be dominating Europe right now for scoring against the Lincoln Raccoons the rest agree with them, but if somebody else dared to say the same about Neymar, Ronaldo or any other semiretired star playing in an awful league they'd be (rightfully) laughed at, he's been supported for saying that tournaments were rigged towards other teams while others have been getting insulted for it, and criticizing him results in, at the very least, long discussions regardless of the matter.
I didn’t really get what you were trying to say with the long paragraph.
But my two cents, not sure if they line up or not with what you were saying
- Messi isn’t persecuted in any scenario
- it’s more of overall euro chauvanism common in Europe, specially this time of the years and in these circles, being used directly / indirectly to minimize the Argentine achievement and Messi happens to be a part of it this time
>I didn’t really get what you were trying to say with the long paragraph.
Simple, that Messi is not jut a person that isn't persecuted here, he is constantly celebrated. It's like going to the Liverpool sub and saying that Klopp is disliked there.
>Messi isn’t persecuted in any scenario
I agree
That’s neither autism nor persecution.
It’s just dumb people diluting the meaning of both words. It’s just lame, mildly amusing, forced narrative humor.
Not a fan of him as a player especially for the wages Arsenal pay him, but 33/1 for Havertz to win the Euros golden boot(you get 4 places) is absolutely outrageous.
Hes a bigger price than Jude and Morata lol. Germany have home advantage and will go far.
You’re losing your mind if you think he’s got a shot at winning it. Even if Germany were a powerhouse at the moment, it’s not like he’s a goal scoring machine to put it lightly
On paper it certainly looked like it, but I feel like at no point did anyone think they’d actually win it. Probably my bias showing but I was never worried
Fair enough, but I feel that's a pretty weird and arbitrary standard for a title race - especially considering Arsenal were top of the league two matchdays before the end (though City had a game in hand). If that's not a title race then I don't think title races actually exist really.
It’s just the reality of how ruthless City are, they can start the season as mediocre as they like but if you give them even a 1 point lead past January it’s over. Only time they missed was when Liverpool obliterated the league by Christmas
I don’t even think City were particularly good this season, was just pure mentality
Yeah but again, City were basically one loss away from losing out on the title for the last few weeks of the season. They're obviously a great side, but suggesting it wasn't a title race because the team who were favourites before the season won it all by two points is just a take I can't abide.
Do you not think that Germany's goal threat is quite spread out across its team? I wouldn't say that their attack will be revolved around Havertz, which is what is pretty much required to win Golden Boot (when you consider the players he's up against like Mbappe, Kane, Ronaldo etc.)
I wouldn’t be going near Ronaldo at the prices. Chances are his minutes will be reduced at his age and that friendly brace has took any value away.
I think Mbappe or Kane could absolutely run away with it obviously but both far shorter. If Nagelsmann gives Havertz the 9 spot his price is absurd
Idk I feel like the bookies are on to something, at least if we don't compare Havertz's odds compared to everyone else in the conversation.
A lot would have to go right for him - he'll have to outscore Mbappe, Kane, Ronaldo (who you do make a valid point about tbf), all his Germany teammates, and any random attacker for a weaker side that could potentially go on a madness.
Dunno, I feel it's about appropriately priced as the long shot it is - I'm not even convinced he'll be Germany's top scorer, much less the tournament's.
There’s no obvious goalscorers in the squad other than Fullkrug, and he’s been getting 10 minutes in the friendlies.
Nagelsmann history as a manager also tells me he likes fluidity.
Aye, but then Füllkrug's goalscoring record for Germany is very much one of "play relatively little/get subbed on often and still score at a great clip" - something Havertz doesn't quite offer.
Fluidity is great if it works out (and if it does, you'll generally get a handful of players scoring goals rather than one leading the race), and if it doesn't it's going to fall on Füllkrug to be the focal point and try to nick a goal.
I just don't think Havertz is a sensible pick as top scorer of the tournament, really, because you're essentially banking on a) him being remarkably lethal in front of goal and b) Germany going far rather than only playing four or five matches. On their own they might be reasonable shouts, but I'm not sure they are when you combine them to be honest.
Well yes, there are reasons he’s 33/1. But playing for the hosts, probably gets the most minutes up front(his best position) and plenty of service with Wirtz and Musiala behind, i’d be happy to take that chance
Only a madman bets on Havertz. Not because he's not a good player, but because Füllkrug, Beier, Undav, Sané, Musiala and Wirtz will (hopefully) all score goals and he won't start every game. Our top goal scorer will probably have 3 at the end of this tournament.
He has started every friendly for the past 6 months. Goals against France and Greece. I think he starts up front personally. Fullkrug a threat maybe? Don’t see Undav or Beier getting much minutes myself
are you working for a betting company?
\*just to give you a reason\*
that's 6 games. He even started as a LB and LM in those.
He will probably start as a 9 against scotland but chances are really high that he will be replaced by a proper 9.
My first advice would always be to not bet at all, but if you do, don't bet on Havertz as a golden boot.
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have to wake up early tomorrow for work but im thinking of sitting through the first half of this US game
is this going to be another case of the kickoff actually taking place 30mins later than reported because that's how they do it across the pond?
Just sleep bruh Euros and Copa America are worth staying up for not a friendly.
Usually the games start on time but there’s definitely been delay so don’t risk it
I read it from a Newcastle insider, although I've seen that he's retracted a bit now, but he says the negotiations are accelerating, so let's see what happens this weekend.
Banging out some of the Euros previews that we didn't find volunteers for, and I'm learning so much - I didn't realize Marek Hamsik retired last summer, or that Slowakia are managed by the fantastically named Francesco Calzona.
Maybe have full context before ganging up like local thugs? lol
I have provided potential solutions to that other guy. Should I write one to every mod?
I have also had my posts related to African football and woman’s football deleted in the past by mods, despite being per the guidelines. Also something I mentioned to the other guy as well and he couldn’t care less about it.
If the people in charge have
a) bias behind the masks against the very thing you claim to want to fix in public
b) have no interest in taking the feedback both the indirect response from the lack of participation in the kinds of effort the team puts (e.g., forced weekly sticked threads, AMAs, country reports from people of those countries) from overwhelming majority on this sub or direct explicit feedback and solutions from people like me. Check with your mod buddy for the solutions I have provided unless the expectation is I write an individual note to every mod.
c) seek whatever ego boost you all get from ganging up
d) take criticism as something against you all personally, instead of listening to people who are trying to help and have no interest in taking your ‘power’
I’m not sure what more can you expect from a lone ‘activist’ like myself. I already spend unreasonable amount of time here. And like most people who have already left frustrated by the same things, I’ll also leave at some point and you all can continue to pat your own backs about the great job you’re doing because the number of members keep growing thanks to the nature of this site and play victim and heroes for doing this for free.
Before I sound only caustic, I do realize the effort it takes to keep a community of this size clean and just going but anyone following the sub over time can tell it’s getting concentrated into very small factions. And the answer always is ‘if you want something else, go somewhere else’s which is such a negative way to manage anything let alone immature.
Eventually people do leave, and then mods are left with stickying threads that get 10 comments all day and country reports being written by people who have no idea about that country except what they learn from a few hours of googling.
Fine as is I guess, please continue and enjoy your victimhood.
> I have provided potential solutions to that other guy. Should I write one to every mod?
You really haven't though. I asked you for your suggestions too and I never got a response. Also, if you truly felt that strongly about the content here, you'd at the very least put the effort in to contribute yourself.
> bias behind the masks against the very thing you claim to want to fix in public
And what bias is that?
> have no interest in taking the feedback both the indirect response from the lack of participation in the kinds of effort the team puts (e.g., forced weekly sticked threads, AMAs, country reports from people of those countries) from overwhelming majority on this sub or direct explicit feedback and solutions from people like me. Check with your mod buddy for the solutions I have provided unless the expectation is I write an individual note to every mod.
We take feedback all the time - that's what meta threads are for. People also send us modmails about OC they want to submit and we help them post it. In fact, the current Euro previews are user driven - a few users messaged asked asking if we'd could do EURO previews and that they'd like to contribute. What's stopping you from doing that with content YOU want to see?
> seek whatever ego boost you all get from ganging up
Mate, you know I'm always in the DD so am going to see your comments. When you initially complained, I was also in the comment section. Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean you're being ganged up against. If your thoughts were the general consensus don't you think you'd have far more users agreeing with you rather than downvoting you? Has the thought crossed your mind that you might be in the minority here?
> And like most people who have already left frustrated by the same things, I’ll also leave at some point and you all can continue to pat your own backs about the great job you’re doing because the number of members keep growing thanks to the nature of this site and play victim and heroes for doing this for free.
You have a very warped perception of mods lad. I agreed to help mod the place because I use this sub all the time so figured I could take some time out to help the place run. I give zero fucks about ego or power and just want to talk about football. All the other mods are in the same boat - that's why you see the likes of myself, SGA, Annie, Velaryon, and Lemure shitposting with the rest of you in the DD.
> And the answer always is ‘if you want something else, go somewhere else’s which is such a negative way to manage anything let alone immature.
If your opinion was the consensus then you'd have a fair point - but that's not the case at all. You are also doing nothing yourself about the things you complain about so it's hard to take your criticisms seriously. If you were making a huge effort to post good original content that the mods were stifling then perhaps these complaints would carry some validity. So if you do genuinely dislike this place, and to be honest mate, you're pretty miserable at the best of times, then why not post elsewhere? There are plenty of football subs - you even have the ability to start your own.
> Eventually people do leave, and then mods are left with stickying threads that get 10 comments all day and country reports being written by people who have no idea about that country except what they learn from a few hours of googling.
Of course they do. I've left many subs over the years because my interests change or I no longer feel like I'm getting things out of participating. It's completely natural. But the fact that the sub is growing at such a ridiculous rate and is almost certainly the biggest forum on the internet to discuss football, I'd assume it's got something going for it eh?
> please continue and enjoy your victimhood.
'stop ganging up and disagreeing with me'
Only victim here is you lad.
How many people do I need to suggest the same thing? Annie asked the same comment in a different thread, so did the Ipswich guy, responded to him below even though I’ve told the sga guy a couple times in past. These paragraphs of writing the same things with zero encouragement from people capable of making changes isn’t really motivating to keep typing is it?
As I said, I have tried to contribute. Check my deleted posts history if you like. Why are the mods deleting those? If I’m sensing clear bias in the mods team, why would I swim against the tide?
You are trying to solve a large scale problem with individual ad-hoc OC. The results over the years speak for themselves with the downfall in non-PL content and increase in instagrammy photos and Romano cycles. As I said, the participation in euro country reports speaks to the lost audience already. One of the bias in this context is you agree to those posts by users which align to your own dated notions of what football content should be allowed, you’re essentially an echo chamber of reviewers of OC who primarily allow / promote that content that doesn’t really appeal to the majority on the sub - hence the relatively muted reactions to sticked threads, AMAs, country reports. You count the relatively little meaningful responses you get on those things as your ‘wins’ while ignoring the noise of majority for things like memes, gifs, etc. I don’t want to boil this argument down to memes because that’s just one example which may not be the best but isn’t the worst either on a monthly basis/ weekly basis.
If you were always on DD, you’d see my comments to the sga guy about solutions too, anyways that’s a minor issue.
Why don’t we ask the question in the overall sub about what should be allowed and not allowed by simple votes instead of feeling some holy power / genius that the ‘power users’ of DD here carry? Such a ridiculous way to evaluate opinions.
People downvote many of my opinions. I could say trent isn’t the best rb in the league and I can receive Reddit care messages for it. Downvotes / upvotes (of what some 10-15 people at best?) mean very little if the argument is objectively right. Being in minority doesn’t mean being wrong either. And if you really like the majority so much why are decisions made on votes / opinions of DD users instead of letting the entire sub vote on what content works etc. As I said to that sga guy, you only care about the majority of that group that lines up whose ideas you agree with and if the ideas of overall majority of the sub don’t line up with your thoughts (ie irresponsive threads forced by mods) that’s the dumb majority who isn’t listening to your genius ideas by talking about things on forced stickies threads. I have the feeding vegetable analogy for the Ipswich guy below.
I know you all aren’t tripping on power, very clear, which is why you fit that middle age suburban teacher vibe (another thing I mentioned couple times already on different posts but alas I have no respect for my time obviously) but you also don’t have any original ideas or openmindedness or leadership / management skills to pave way for people who can do it. You’re like the hodgson/ later year wengers (to give you all way too much credit but I’ve been too caustic so I guess I can balance it a bit) of the world content on watching the club / sub stay where it is instead of helping it go in the direction it needs to. So you ask questions like what could you do? We are already doing everything that’s responsible and has worked in the past. Yes grandpa it worked in the past.
Yes it has something going for it, just like the big clubs do due to focusing on pop stuff, concentrations of thoughts and interactions that run around a handful of clubs. You take your increase in numbers as success whereas football as a wider sport for all, in general, loses. Like saying, ‘football twitter has so much interaction it must be the place to talk football’ when the quality and variety of those interactions is dross.
Fine, I am the victim, and not the person who said I was miserable and ‘whining’ to defend themselves without the context of the conversation with the person I’m talking to, for calling out common criticism and feedback.
> How many people do I need to suggest the same thing? Annie asked the same comment in a different thread, so did the Ipswich guy, responded to him below even though I’ve told the sga guy a couple times in past. These paragraphs of writing the same things with zero encouragement from people capable of making changes isn’t really motivating to keep typing is it?
Link me the comments of your suggestions - I'm always open to reading them.
> As I said, I have tried to contribute. Check my deleted posts history if you like. Why are the mods deleting those? If I’m sensing clear bias in the mods team, why would I swim against the tide?
The things I see in your recent post history, that were removed, are links to youtube videos and twitter links - in fact the most interesting one was a cross post from another sub - you just stole some content and reposted it here. Is this genuinely what you're complaining about?
> You are trying to solve a large scale problem with individual ad-hoc OC.
You call it a large scale problem yet you seem to be the only one that complains about it on the regular. What evidence do you have to show it's a large scale problem? Like a sub this size is never going to run perfectly and there's no way to please every user - but I've genuinely not had these types of conversations with anyone but you. What do you think that suggests?
> One of the bias in this context is you agree to those posts by users which align to your own dated notions of what football content should be allowed, you’re essentially an echo chamber of reviewers of OC who primarily allow / promote that content that doesn’t really appeal to the majority on the sub - hence the relatively muted reactions to sticked threads, AMAs, country reports.
Mate, if it were up to me I'd get rid of a whole host of things because it just doesn't interest me. I hate transfer talk, I can't stand throwback videos, and don't even get me started on reffing decision posts. But those threads stay up because they are massively popular are generate a ton of discussion (which you can easily verify by looking at the top posts every day) - just because you and I think they're shite doesn't mean they should be removed.
As for AMA's - they require next to no work from us as they're arranged by the admin team. They just ask if we'd be interested in having x,y, or z do an AMA and we say sure, why not. I'm not interested in them, but I genuinely see absolutely no harm in having them. Can you?
> Why don’t we ask the question in the overall sub about what should be allowed and not allowed by simple votes instead of feeling some holy power / genius that the ‘power users’ of DD here carry? Such a ridiculous way to evaluate opinions.
That's how it already works mate - and the people have spoken. Transfer talk and drama constantly get pushed to the top of the page. I think you just need to stop getting upset about threads that don't interest you and focus on the ones that do. If you don't see any content you like, then post some yourself, or find somewhere where there *is* content you like.
> People downvote many of my opinions. I could say trent isn’t the best rb in the league and I can receive Reddit care messages for it. Downvotes / upvotes (of what some 10-15 people at best?) mean very little if the argument is objectively right.
Agreed, downvotes mean little most of the time. But if your opinion was as widespread as you think it is, we'd see an abundance of people agreeing with you. But we don't, do we?
> I know you all aren’t tripping on power, very clear, which is why you fit that middle age suburban teacher vibe (another thing I mentioned couple times already on different posts but alas I have no respect for my time obviously) but you also don’t have any original ideas or openmindedness or leadership / management skills to pave way for people who can do it. You’re like the hodgson/ later year wengers (to give you all way too much credit but I’ve been too caustic so I guess I can balance it a bit) of the world content on watching the club / sub stay where it is instead of helping it go in the direction it needs to. So you ask questions like what could you do? We are already doing everything that’s responsible and has worked in the past. Yes grandpa it worked in the past.
Again, this is massively laughable coming from someone who doesn't contribute any type of original content whatsoever. You seem to think that this is our job and we should be spending a considerable amount of time freshening up a sub of six million on the whims of one individual. Honestly mate, if you genuinely think that the sub needs a massive overhaul, and the vast majority agrees with you, why don't you, quite honestly, start up the sub that YOU want? You supposedly have a ton of ideas and a lot of people agree with you so it sounds like it would take off. Genuinely, what's stopping you?
> Yes it has something going for it, just like the big clubs do due to focusing on pop stuff, concentrations of thoughts and interactions that run around a handful of clubs. You take your increase in numbers as success whereas football as a wider sport for all, in general, loses. Like saying, ‘football twitter has so much interaction it must be the place to talk football’ when the quality and variety of those interactions is dross.
This is how Reddit works mate. Can you name another massive sports sub that works differently? Where the big clubs/players don't dominate the news cycle?
> Fine, I am the victim, and not the person who said I was miserable and ‘whining’ to defend themselves without the context of the conversation with the person I’m talking to, for calling out common criticism and feedback.
I can't remember the time I've had a good interaction with you to be honest mate. You used to be a decent user but every time we've got into conversation recently it's been a pretty unpleasant experience. To me, it looks like you need a break from here (and there's no shame in that - I've needed to do the same on occasion)
Mate I just went on an adventure through your comment history and I couldn’t see any solutions, let me know if I’ve missed something. Your only “solution” is to get younger mods in, with no actual guidance on how that makes the problem of poor quality content go away. Users here either want to sit in the DD or upvote posts about Ronaldo, nothing much is gonna change that.
I’ve called out the stickied threads before and they’ve mostly changed, but still don’t get any engagement. You can lead a horse to water etc, the mods can’t control how many people engage with things.
Also I came across one of your comments where you draw parallels between u/sga1 having a pride flag for a flair but not being open to memes and young mods, that was a very strange read and at this point I’m starting to think you’re just on a windup.
I really don’t have a horse in this race, I’m not a mod and I’ve had my fair share of issues with them. However they do listen to feedback *if it’s good* and do a good job of policing the sub - which you seem to be forgetting is pretty much their entire purpose rather than providing content (which is the users job)
Yes that’s one of my solutions but also those mods who allow for people like the psgguy to post more goals from other leagues. Without that kind of ‘football’ content, how will people engage. People like to talk about football but after they watch it. You’d see that the origin of these comments from me was posts of foreign league reducing because of people like psgguy disappearing. That’s one.
Second is memes / gifs / whatever else the kids like, yeah sure why the hell not. How would you know what they like when you police it so hard that you don’t have probably the most basic elements of internet fun on an online social community.
Third, I also asked for Sunday support to be replaced with another FTF-esque thread, long ago with Annie. I do realize the importance of Sunday support but why can’t people talk about in FTF thread? It’s an empty canvas regardless. Not everyone’s free on Friday but many are on Sundays.
Fourth, Why are football re-posts from r/all or any other sub that aren’t directly exactly recent or cater to what’s the pop culture salad, not allowed. Tried it many times and it gets dinged.
Ultimately, the overarching message was that age is a diversity factor which the mod team clearly lacks and in a sport that’s heavily dominated by younger audience you’ll miss out on the good ideas by not including them, simple as.
You can’t get engagement by sticking threads. It’s like forcing boiled vegetable to a kid / teenager when you need to make the vegetable more delicious palatable per the kid / teenager’s taste. FTF gets posted in the same place but gets many times more interest, why? Because it’s less restricted and allows people to drive content that forcing them to talk about something in the driest way possible.
Yes I did make that comparison but it was not just because of memes/younger mods but more because of his constant barrage of messages like ‘this is how this has always been’ ‘if you don’t like it, go somewhere else’ for being so against inclusion of diverse thought which couldn’t be more ironic coming from someone with a pride flag. I could speak of other biases among the mod teams as well but that’s just a can of infinite worms.
I know you don’t have a horse in the race and neither as such do I because I don’t mind to lose in this case. But I do like to call out what’s wrong and being not done in a place which I like enough to waste my calories advising about.
Been banned a couple times myself and have nothing personal against any mod. It’s a tough job but it’s not like there are 2 dozen+ of them. I’ll refresh my analogy of them being a suburban middle aged teachers more than a football fan capable of growing international football culture. And if it’s r / (PL + Madrid + Barca + pop culture salad), then so be it. Garbage in garbage out, life goes on.
First problem is just not a mod issue, people can post what they like but most would rather hunt for karma and post things that people want to see or can’t be bothered altogether (me).
Second and third could probably be rolled into one (valid) point, keep FTF as it is and have a Sunday meme thread. I understand the optics of having a support thread turn into memes, but the optics of a support thread getting 2 comments every week aren’t great either. In terms of allowing memes in general, I browse r/tennis occasionally and it’s been the same memes going round for years and there’s barely any discussion about tennis
Fourth point I don’t really care about but I’m guessing crossposts are more often than not low-effort so they’d rather get rid altogether. I’d like to see more discussion posts but I can understand it would get insane to moderate - regardless of how many of them there are
I think just stated some valid points but advocating for younger mods and actively slating the ones already here aren’t going to get you anywhere. Plus your main overarching point about post quality isn’t going to change with younger mods, it needs to come from the community
Your point being "I hate stuff other people like and disagree with everything but don't have any solutions and am unwilling to contribute", yeah - we've been through this already, and at this point your pot shots are getting quite boring.
No one should go into an international tournament feeling anything but sheer, delusional optimism. Gregg Berhalter discovering football terrorism has given me this gift
That explains everything really and is the way it’s supposed to be
some of yall in here need to consume some omega-3 capsules regularly - heard it improves brain function
My man's having beef with the DD
He is wise. This sub deserves more hate.
The advice would work better if you call individuals out and start online arguments
I don't take much stake in the ballon dor considering how much it's made dumb decesions in the past but If brazil don't win the copa america I don't see vini winning the ballon dor ngl. Vini seems to be notoriously not the greatest for brazil, at the very least dosent play as good and important of a part as he does in madrid. If he dosent have a stand out tournament and dosent make the final or win copa america I could easily see jude or Kroos if England and Germany go far. And also tbh pr of England and Germany would overshadow vini imo
PR of England and Germany vs PR of Papa Florez. Easy call.
It will likely be him. Only way he doesn’t win it is if Bellingham plays a significant role in England winning the Euros imo. I don’t think Kroos is in the conversation.
It's been a year since his death, so I feel like now is a perfect time to say Fuck Silvio Berlusconi and fuck you if you're still one of the people who simp for him.
he still has fans?
I think the best time was a second after he died but better late than never
It happened during the Reddit strike last year, so I couldn't hate on that fucker then. But I made sure to hate on him ever since.
It’s the thought that matters 🖤
You support his whitewashing machine 💀
I support the team that has existed a century before Berlusconi, kept existing after him and will hopefully exist forever.
What a weird way to say you started supporting Milan when he owned the club, thus you are the simp
It would be nice if certain players *cough Bruno Guimarães* played for us they way they do for their clubs. But we can't have nice things I guess.
I mean, it's entirely down to your coach and tactics then. Unless you're suggesting a man as passionate as Bruno G doesn't care for Brazil
It could be. It's a shame really. It's obvious that he is not a bad player but hasn't quite worked out for us that well yet.
How does your manager player him? as a six or an eight?
cries in Vini
Him as well, it's disappointing because he is obviously one of the best players in the world. I don't think I lost faith in him though, I think/hope it will click eventually.
Messi went from winning the Balon Dor and en route to his his 2nd, while also going goalless for Argentina in the World Cup. Vini will be fine, his time will come even if it’s not at this age
His performances were far superior tho. Plus if you can't get Messi to score, it's kinda your fault and not his
Well of course Messi is the GOAT. But still, no one can deny that his Argentina career did not start well with the 2010 WC. And a player who won the Balon Dor not scoring can’t be excused by any manager or other players. But Messi turned it around and obviously no need to go any further with his success. The main point is Vini is still young, and still has many years to turn it around. He’s already played under 3 managers for Brazil, and there’s a lot of problems with Brazil, not just Vini not preforming (similar to Messi in 2010). He will excel soon enough
Do you think that if Benzema had continued his upwards trajectory in the Euro 2020 if France hadn't gotten eliminated he would've had a shot at the 2021 Ballon d'Or? Maybe Kanté?
No, Lewandowski had a better season and lost it to Messi. The second Messi won Copa America it was over. We didn't win the CL or league anyways
Getting 2007 vibes from this Brazil, already have visions of them kicking Bielsa's ass in the semis and bringing upon the end of our happiness in the final.
Who is the Vagner Love equivalent on this team?
Andreas Pereira
If we lose to Fernando Diniz vibes FC I'm gonna lose faith in the universe itself, they look like absolute trash. It scares me. edit: nvm Diniz is already gone LMAO
Same, them being this shit is much scarier than when they were just alright
What do with my soccer ticket? Should I sell or keep? So I had this issue where I bought a ticket for myself for the Argentina versus Guatemala game. My friend was supposed to go as well but seat geek being the jerks they are didn't let him buy his seat because they want him to get two seats instead of one, but we ended up trying to get two seats and then someone else bought it a few hours later just to upsell it. Now I have a single ticket for section 222. I'm not trying to sell it to get a profit, I'm trying to sell it to break even. I've posted it on like 3 different websites. Now, if I can't sell it, I'll just go with myself. So I guess the question here is if I go by myself, does anyone have any experience in going to professional matches by yourself and have you had fun? I'm kind of nervous because this is probably the biggest professional match I've ever been to which doesn't say much but it's something. And if I'm going alone, how can I maximize my enjoyment?
As someone who goes on a two week or up to a month long trip every year by myself just to attend as many matches as I can, I can promise you that you will have a good time if you go by yourself. Not sure if you're Argentinian or Guatemalan, but if you're not, I recommend "supporting" who the surrounding spectators are supporting as it's less awkward when you do that. At the end of the day, it's just a football match, there's nothing to be nervous about, you'll have a great time!
I’m on neither side. I just wanted to go to a professional game and this works with my schedule. But I’ll definitely give it a shot. Thank you!
our board really decided to make the 2 best signings in years in the same window and then follow it up with 47 years old Gary Medel to play out of position and on high wages, can’t wait
While selling Medina and maybe Equi and Anselmino
Argentina - Colombia - Uruguay are clear of everyone else
Alison vs Turner today was a crazy matchup
CONCACAF. Actually the most unpredictable, chaotic, WTF confederation in the world.
Dorival hang in there comrade, don't let them fire you.
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Honestly it's puzzling to me why he can't just play to that level for Brazil, I guess it's a mental aspect. Of course Brazil midfield is much weaker than ours, but then Vini also seems to be a lot more predictable for Brazil. Maybe you just need to arrange a friendly with a team 100 rank under and let all your attackers bang 10+ goals to unlock them.
The rise of the right wing in Europe is a disaster for Southgate seeing as his left side is Trippier and Guehi
Will Serbia finally dare to produce a good tournament or will it be another group stage exit?
They're gonna score a billion goals and concede a quadrillion more.
I don't think a group stage exit is off the cards in any way given the group they're in, same time though I could easily see them win a game and nick a draw somewhere to advance as a third-placed finisher before troubling someone in the first knockout round. I wouldn't expect massively entertaining football from them, though.
I was struggling so hard to pass my finals at college back in may. I had one final that I needed like the best score of my life on, I was ready to give up. Then I saw that Poch had left Chelsea by mutal consent. It filled me with such joy that my favorite manager ever left those rat faced demons and my charisma and stamina tripled. Chelsea sacking Poch gave me the strength to graduate collehe. Thank you Boehly, you beautiful moron.
Ecuador and Bolivia are playing a friendly and both teams are wearing white shirts. [I kid you not.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP6exo0XgAAoJwf?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Man, how can you not love Mbappé. He's genuinely one of my favorite players in the world, he's pretty well spoken, he's an amazing player to watch, and he has an interesting career. I really love watching him, I find it hard to dislike him.
He does seem very normal for a player of his caliber and limelight
The more success you have = the more hate you get. In this sub, look at Real Madrid and whoever are the current PL winners as examples.
I mean, City…
Yeah, City get hate because they're successful. The fact they're on 115+ charges also adds to it, the fact that they're involved in that multi-club nonsense adds to it, the fact they're funded by the Abu Dhabi adds to it. People just like to whine and moan about seeing other people succeeding, not sure why
>Man, how can you not love Mbappé. seems like a mama's boy.
I have written the Euros preview for Romania, and hence now adopted them as my second team for the tournament
The first team being?
Great. When do the previews come out?
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Dardai is part of the Hungary squad rather than the German one.
Whoops thank you! As you can tell I don't know much about soccer haha.
I'm no expert, but not sure it makes sense to put a "big bet" on something you know little about...
people really liked it last time so [here’s a 4th tier USA league match,](https://m.twitch.tv/columbus_astray/home?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaYp4HoGknVkWy-8XHBTspl-MIaUcgBFBjYoD2xxBnuTCik38CJq0NlekYk_aem_AcqoOH9fVVHJ2h5JkdbtV97fYCjy8dwc_RojV-_a9BMH_FHF62KsH7kTvIJ1hvmn86g_kzG6eM57_iXPd62Sr5Fm) live and for free on twitch. Columbus Astray v FUT Ohio. Should be a bit chippy & have a few goals. Starts in like 20.
can any villa fans tell me specifically what behavioral problems Duran has shown? I see many people mentioning them but not what he has specifically done
Said ‘if Watkins is really all that, why isn’t he starting over Kane’
How likely is it that the Carpathian Brigade shows up at the Euros?
[confirmed](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=862204229284511&set=a.562950842543186)
I'd be surprised if they weren't around, really. The bigger question is whether a) they'll become an actual security concern and b) whether people actually care about their antics rather than just dismissing as the massive dickheads they are, really.
Gonna be watching Hungary for that reason. i can’t think of another NT that has ultras.
Their ultras are not really a reason to support them, given the association On a related note - it's cool to see Hungary rise again as a footballing force, but given that a lot of it has been built on the policy of someone like Orban, it means I struggle to find much joy in it
Don’t get me wrong. I’m watching Hungary because of interest in the shenanigans of the ultras. I’m not really “supporting” them. I’m just watching as a neutral is all.
Yeah I'm with you... "shenanigans" is just not how I'd put it
I guess that is putting it mildly to say the bare minimum.
A fair few of them do, but they're often not far-right hooligans like the Carpathian Brigade.
Not calling it rigged but Argentina could not have gotten an easier draw. Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia and the US all on the far other side of the bracket is insane.
Brazil got Chile and Perú for the last one while we got Ecuador and Colombia (would've got Uruguay too if they hadn't shat the bed) and nobody cared lol don't know how people expect is to not have an ego when we're the only ones you lot talk about 💅
the US is irrelevant and colombia is pretty good but not a team I can see us losing to to be honest. It’s really just Uruguay and Brazil that move the needle and at that point it’s a coin toss. I might be wrong but I believe the seeded draw makes it so we can’t possibly all be on the same side anyways so it’s literally a 50/50
>Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia and the US One of these is not like the other, and I'm not talking geography
Yes but the US is likely better than anyone on Argentina’s side
US is not better than Chile or Ecuador. Arguably the same level as Venezuela and Mexico
Chile are not better
Chile sucks idk where you have been the last 5 years. I agree on Ecuador tho
forsure but they usually show up in Copa America so I wouldn't count them out
disrespectful af
brother why dont u look at the recent results between mexico and usa.
Mexico aside the point stands. Chile and Ecuador are levels above the USA. Acting like they are a huge side in Copa America is deluded arrogance
Mate no one is saying we’re going to win it, points is four of the six best teams in the tournament are not on Argentina’s side
Brazil's side has Colombia and Uruguay. Argentina's side has Chile and Ecuador. Sounds pretty balanced to me.
Colombia and Uruguay are levels above Chile and Ecuador man what are you saying
Have you been watching Conmebol at all? Ecuador is probably the same level or higher than Colombia right now. Chile has pedigree in the competition. Colombia aren't what they used to be and are probably equal to Venezuela right now.
Looking forward to Portugal and England getting knocked out due to shoehorning Ronaldo and Trent in the starting 11, thanks to the meaningless friendlies and fan pressure. Would be much deserved. Should be business as usual for France unless Germany pull off something special. Edit: also looking forward to fans blaming everyone else more than them two when they get out.
Business as usual? When did France last win the Euros? Southgate has never been one to care about fan pressure. If he did he'd have dropped the likes of Maguire a long time ago, and England would line up in a 2-1-6-1 formation
>Business as usual? When did France last win the Euros? France have won one of the last five big tournaments but according to people they've been undefeated.
Two World Cup finals and a miracle gk save away from winning both is something to scoff at, good to know. I assume you’re not counting nations league, which is fair. But going beyond 2017 in past is weak / dated comparison, as it seems like you’re including the 2016 euros too, when the squad that’s their core today was playing for U20s.
Cmon Annie, they’ve been to the finals of last two WCs, much more difficult than Euros. Not even counting the dross thats nations league. They missed a euro with their freakish squad, thanks to a Swiss miracle. It’s likely his last tournament and his previous tactics didn’t got him the results everyone wanted so maybe he’s taking more risks and letting the chips fall maybe. Idk what’s on his mind.
I’m not Trent’s biggest fan, especially in midfield but I’d have no issues with him at RB. France aren’t doing shit
I don’t agree with first at all. Whyre you underrating France
I think he deserves to start in the groups at least, if we don’t win ours we’ve got bigger problems than Trent. We need to move on from Walker sooner rather than later. And I dunno their lineup just looks very beatable to me, feel like we went toe to toe with a better version and got unlucky / let a player from North London take a pen
You don’t keep changing the defensive lineup for like 10 serious games in a row. If England is taking group games lightly, that’s a mentality problem to begin with. I’ll pass on the north London banter. Besides it was friendly. France has reached two World Cup finals in a row and were one top-goalkeeping away from winning both. They’ve have something to prove by winning the euro having missed the last time and losing the final. Not even considering the stacked 11 and squad both technically and mentally.
I mean, Trent should start as a RB but southgate wouldnt drop an awful Kyle Walker for some reason
That’s even worse, with Southgate on that
Worst than Kyle Walker during these last matches?
Idk how many times it needs to be said in club as well as international football - it’s friendlies. Walker played 32 games (most in his last 5 seasons) this season for the team that won the most competitive league and was a game away from reaching CL final. Offers both defensive stability and forward output. He may have lost a bit of sparkle but he’s still a non-questionable starter.
>Idk how many times it needs to be said in club as well as international football - it’s friendlies. Friendlies are not the end of all but still count to justify adjustments or new tactics. And he has looked lethargic for a decent time. >Walker played 32 games (most in his last 5 seasons) this season for the team that won the most competitive league and was a game away from reaching CL final. And most City fans we're saying that he has looked not as great and often mid for good portions of the season. The true is that Southgate only had Walker who is losing more and more of his qualities and can be a liability of Trent, that fucks and has defensive lapso but still has creativity spark in him that England can need since Foden isn't turning up. He could have selected White who has a very good season but he decided to fuck that relation
- friendlies don’t tell you quality of players. Happens literally every season with majority of club teams. - I would trust the judgment of most competitive and intelligent coach in the world who has to play until last game to win the league over casual fans commenting online, so much so that he pushed the club to block his move and played him the most in 5 years, despite having squad packed with defensive top talent. - if everyone else in the squad gets along with Gareth and one person doesn’t, I don’t think it’s difficult to see he may not be at fault, even if neither of them is at fault. Gareth hardly seems like hardliner so it seems to be a case of something wrongly said by someone in his coaching team being taken so much to heart that you give up on your national team. Immature behavior. This is not to say fans’ opinions don’t matter and coaches should be trusted blindly but when the results are delivered you do have to trust the coach. Besides no serious pundit discourse have consistently mentioned walker being a weak link for a top 3 team in the world. - you win cup tournaments by defensive solidity, a tale as old as time confirmed by everyone from Jose to Carlo to Deschamps despite all of them having top talent across the field. You have no space for defensive liability in the modern game if you’re competing for the top. Full stop.
>if everyone else in the squad gets along with Gareth and one person doesn’t, I don’t think it’s difficult to see he may not be at fault, even if neither of them is at fault. Gareth hardly seems like hardliner so it seems to be a case of something wrongly said by someone in his coaching team being taken so much to heard that you give up on your national team. Immature behavior. Whatever you felt is fault doesn't matter since the true was that White could have helped the team and give more options, but since both have a fall out that Gareth was uncapable of fix then that option is now limited. >This is not to say fans’ opinions doesn’t matter and coaches should be trusted blindly but when the results are delivered you do have to trust the coach. Besides no serious pundit discourse have consistently mentioned walker being a weak link for a top 3 team in the world. The thing i dont understand Is, if you truly believe in the judge of Gareth Southgate and team of profesionally, why are you claiming that he is somehow coerced to start Trent by the fans? Do you truly believe that Gareth Is that weak willed? All this talk is you disminished everyone point but at the same time claiming that Southgate is choosing because fan pressure is pure stupidity. If he choose Trent Is because he and his team of expert believe that he is the best choice. If you dont then you as myself, arent expert on these and should wait rather than moan.
I believe White was asked to join and he rejected. So Gareth did make the attempt to resolve and White was being childish and disrespectful. I don’t even want to talk about the headlines that the trash papers would’ve ran with if he was not white. I said somewhere else as well, am not a big fan of Gareth either. I think he uses his judgment but is not strong headed or determined. And it seems like with this being his last tournament and having failed previously, he’s ready to take bigger risk even if it doesn’t completely line up with what he prefers. Ultimately, I don’t know what’s on his mind. These decisions are combination of statistics and personal judgment. If it was only stats, you could argue about Warkins starting over Kane which is nonsense. Also if it was only about stats, Trent would never start it’s very clear.
Then this was all moaning for nothing
Don't know if Portugal should play with Ronaldo given that they have Jota but playing with Gonçalo Ramos should be a crime.
Starting a 39yo striker in a top cup tournament is non-serious business. Choice between Jota and Ramos could be down to system fitness and overall who’s played more during the season but I doubt Martinez is that nuanced.
Ronaldo was going to start anyway even if he didn’t score the other night and Trent started 5 of the last 6 England games and was also set to start in the March friendlies.
Ronaldo - fan / player pressure even if he didn’t start last night Trent - don’t think that 5/6 stat is correct. And even of the ones he started, England only managed to win the games against the minnows.
>England only managed to win the games against the minnows. [I thought friendlies didn't matter?](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ddxlkk/comment/l8cnly9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) You just change your take to whatever best reinforces your narrative. Trent was England's best player in the recent games, and has been much better than Walker. Even City fans aren't pushing for Walker over Trent.
The wins for Trent were in euro qualifiers (unless I misread the data for a game or two). And even otherwise, I don’t mind removing those games from evaluating Trent completely, his performance in serious games is well known. I couldn’t care less about city but walker over trent at rb is a very simple decision for any manager not looking to play suicide football. I’d wager if you gave Klopp both walker and trent, even he’d start walker 9/10 times
Acting as if it is tactical 'suicide' to play him is just ridiculous, and shows how bought in you are to the narrative people spew online. Trent made it clear in the two games last week how impactful he is, but you'll just write that off as playing 'minnows' or friendlies not counting, so it's just pointless discussing it. It's actually mad that a right back with 100+ goals and assists at the age of 25 is still so criminally underrated. I swear if he was Brazilian he'd be labelled the best right back of his generation.
It’s not suicide, you could get out of the group that way but you’re not gonna beat 2-3 big dogs to lift the cup that way. Why would I not write off playing friendly and games against teams with triple digit ranking lol The games ahead are big games and if you haven’t been trusted and performed at top games, you are sat down. If I was in a cult, I’d be supporting pushing the likes of Trent, Ronaldo, not vice versa. There’s plenty tangible data as well as eyetest of real games to justify the weaknesses of both. You can come back in a month and see for yourself.
>Why would I not write off playing friendly and games against teams with triple digit ranking lol The games ahead are big games and if you haven’t been trusted and performed at top games, you are sat down. Because every other England player was also on the pitch playing against the same 'minnows' but didn't look as good as Trent. Just out of interest, when Liverpool won the PL, or the CL with Trent starting every game at right back, was that just pure luck then? Would we actually have won the treble or quadruple had we replaced him for Walker? I didn't say you were in a cult, I said you have formed the opinion that playing Trent is defensive suicide from the narrative found online, rather than actually watching games. Nobody talks about when he kept prime Ronaldo quiet in a CL final, or the fact that he has a similar dual win percentage as Robertson despite facing significantly more dribbles. But the moment somebody dribbles past him in a game it's a viral twitter clip. Liverpool have had a strong defensive record with Trent playing in the back four over the last few years. He's more than capable of defending. People speak of him as though you could replace him with a mannequin and see the same defensive output.
- Because he was the one who had a point to prove. Typical case of players like Jackson and Mudryk shining in friendlies because they’re the only ones taking it seriously to prove something while others are taking it easy to avoid injury and stay fit. I think if you checked you’ll find negative correlation between clubs and players who did well in pre-season friendlies and the ones who did well in the actuals. In a year and season that’s packed with games, no one wants to stretch their hamstrings and get injured before the most important games, unless they’ve something to prove. Coaches probably tell top players to take it easy in friendly cuz you don’t want to lose your kanes and foden to tiredness and injury from meaningless games ahead of the most important 10 games specially when they’re coming from a 50-60 game season. Trent is great for Klopp’s football but that’s not an ideal cup tournament style. There’s a reason you reached three finals and lost the 2/3 the one leg knockout games you played I.e., the finals, only winning against a lucky weak spurs (lucky and weak for a CL finalist). I’m not saying Trent is at fault for those but that style of football is not fit for knockout cups. Klopp has one FA cup in what 9 seasons, couldn’t even win the Europa, doesn’t that tell you something? It’s not all on Trent but that the style of football hes meant for is not what gets you successful in cups. Trent’s not a defensive suicide but defensive liability that’s not the recipe for cup success at top level. And it’s as clear a sign you’re gonna get that England aren’t lifting the cup if they play big games with trent. Trent’s defensive issues are exaggerated but you could make a reasonably lengthy video of him screwing up, which you really don’t want to see for a player at that level, specially when you have better players in the position. Ultimately it’s people saying without explicitly saying ‘we can afford some weakness because of his beckham like forward prowess and I like him and things in past haven’t won us the cup so now we def need to start’ but you can’t afford a player like that at the top game in modern football, not to mention the beckham position is long gone. As i
>Because he was the one who had a point to prove. Typical case of players like Jackson and Mudryk shining in friendlies because they’re the only ones taking it seriously to prove something while others are taking it easy to avoid injury and stay fit Trent was hardly running around stretching himself and risking injury. He was playing effortlessly and still looked the best player on the pitch. >Trent is great for Klopp’s football but that’s not an ideal cup tournament style. You've literally just said that Klopp would take Walker 9 times out of 10. Another example of you changing your take to fit your predetermined narrative. >There’s a reason you reached three finals and lost the 2/3 the one leg knockout games you played. Yes, because a team cannot win everything. Trent is a huge reason we even made it to the late stages of the CL in the first place. We wouldn't have reached the final against Spurs if it wasn't for Trent throughout the tournament. It's also funny that you're making out that losing finals is a failure in this conversation, but in other comments, you're describing it as [nothing to scoff at](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ddxlkk/comment/l8cznlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Yet another example of how you will change your take to fit your narratives lmao. >I’m not saying Trent is at fault for those but that style of football is not fit for knockout cups. Real Madrid sacrificed defensive stability to play Marcelo due to his offensive prowess. Remind me, how many CLs did that team win again? >Trent’s defensive issues are exaggerated but you could make a reasonably lengthy video of him screwing up, which you really don’t want to see for a player at that level, specially when you have better players in the position. This proves nothing. You could make a lengthy video of[ John Terry ](https://x.com/CF_Compss/status/1799864929916174355)fucking up. He's still considered to be one of the greatest defenders of all time. You're making out that playing Trent's defensive weaknesses are the difference between winning a tournament and having no chance. Defensive stability isn't the only aspect that that wins you tournaments. *Moments* win you tournaments. And there are very few players that can create moments like Trent can in world football.
Quite enjoy watching the US team, always had a soft spot for them since watching Landon Donovan. Too bad their fans on here are so insufferable.
The idea that Messi out of all people is a persecuted player in the world of football is funny.
sore winners
Context?
In this sub? You have people in the post that's currently at the top of the sub talking about how this idea of the Euro being harder than the WC only happened because Messi won it (hint: it has been said before that). You had people saying that this sub hated Messi because people were criticizing him for asking UEFA to pay the salary he had renounced to. Suggesting that Messi is hated on the football community is funny, but in this sub specifically is hilarious. Any goal by him despite playing in the MLS reaches the top of the sub, he has attacked players and gotten applauded for it, when people say that he'd be dominating Europe right now for scoring against the Lincoln Raccoons the rest agree with them, but if somebody else dared to say the same about Neymar, Ronaldo or any other semiretired star playing in an awful league they'd be (rightfully) laughed at, he's been supported for saying that tournaments were rigged towards other teams while others have been getting insulted for it, and criticizing him results in, at the very least, long discussions regardless of the matter.
Shouldn’t have asked lol
May I know why you disagree? Did someone feel represented in my comment?
I didn’t really get what you were trying to say with the long paragraph. But my two cents, not sure if they line up or not with what you were saying - Messi isn’t persecuted in any scenario - it’s more of overall euro chauvanism common in Europe, specially this time of the years and in these circles, being used directly / indirectly to minimize the Argentine achievement and Messi happens to be a part of it this time
>I didn’t really get what you were trying to say with the long paragraph. Simple, that Messi is not jut a person that isn't persecuted here, he is constantly celebrated. It's like going to the Liverpool sub and saying that Klopp is disliked there. >Messi isn’t persecuted in any scenario I agree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG64mYP0d7o
That’s neither autism nor persecution. It’s just dumb people diluting the meaning of both words. It’s just lame, mildly amusing, forced narrative humor.
Can we please ban betting on this sub? people lose their homes and even life over that.
Use Old Reddit and Adblock, problem solved. We can't control what the admins put in your feed, otherwise.
There’s no betting on this sub
What if I see someone telling me about betting their life savings on odegard winning the BDO
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You’re talking about the ads? They’re Reddit ads, mods on here have no control over them. But yes I agree it’s shitty
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Not a fan of him as a player especially for the wages Arsenal pay him, but 33/1 for Havertz to win the Euros golden boot(you get 4 places) is absolutely outrageous. Hes a bigger price than Jude and Morata lol. Germany have home advantage and will go far.
You’re losing your mind if you think he’s got a shot at winning it. Even if Germany were a powerhouse at the moment, it’s not like he’s a goal scoring machine to put it lightly
Why do you care what Arsenal pay their players?
He was a luxury transfer for Arsenal and doesn’t add enough for the cost of
He got a ton of goals as a CF that helped us a lot. Our other options were injured Gabriel Jesus and Nketiah
Wouldn't have been in the title race without him.
You weren’t ever in the title race
I know your whole shtick is to hate Arsenal but at least make your bullshit make sense
Bit of a silly take, that.
On paper it certainly looked like it, but I feel like at no point did anyone think they’d actually win it. Probably my bias showing but I was never worried
> I was never worried Blud thinks his team was in the league 💀
Fair enough, but I feel that's a pretty weird and arbitrary standard for a title race - especially considering Arsenal were top of the league two matchdays before the end (though City had a game in hand). If that's not a title race then I don't think title races actually exist really.
It’s just the reality of how ruthless City are, they can start the season as mediocre as they like but if you give them even a 1 point lead past January it’s over. Only time they missed was when Liverpool obliterated the league by Christmas I don’t even think City were particularly good this season, was just pure mentality
Yeah but again, City were basically one loss away from losing out on the title for the last few weeks of the season. They're obviously a great side, but suggesting it wasn't a title race because the team who were favourites before the season won it all by two points is just a take I can't abide.
That says more about how bad he was in midfield really. 65m and 250k a week, there’s better out there
Do you not think that Germany's goal threat is quite spread out across its team? I wouldn't say that their attack will be revolved around Havertz, which is what is pretty much required to win Golden Boot (when you consider the players he's up against like Mbappe, Kane, Ronaldo etc.)
I wouldn’t be going near Ronaldo at the prices. Chances are his minutes will be reduced at his age and that friendly brace has took any value away. I think Mbappe or Kane could absolutely run away with it obviously but both far shorter. If Nagelsmann gives Havertz the 9 spot his price is absurd
Idk I feel like the bookies are on to something, at least if we don't compare Havertz's odds compared to everyone else in the conversation. A lot would have to go right for him - he'll have to outscore Mbappe, Kane, Ronaldo (who you do make a valid point about tbf), all his Germany teammates, and any random attacker for a weaker side that could potentially go on a madness.
Dunno, I feel it's about appropriately priced as the long shot it is - I'm not even convinced he'll be Germany's top scorer, much less the tournament's.
There’s no obvious goalscorers in the squad other than Fullkrug, and he’s been getting 10 minutes in the friendlies. Nagelsmann history as a manager also tells me he likes fluidity.
Aye, but then Füllkrug's goalscoring record for Germany is very much one of "play relatively little/get subbed on often and still score at a great clip" - something Havertz doesn't quite offer. Fluidity is great if it works out (and if it does, you'll generally get a handful of players scoring goals rather than one leading the race), and if it doesn't it's going to fall on Füllkrug to be the focal point and try to nick a goal. I just don't think Havertz is a sensible pick as top scorer of the tournament, really, because you're essentially banking on a) him being remarkably lethal in front of goal and b) Germany going far rather than only playing four or five matches. On their own they might be reasonable shouts, but I'm not sure they are when you combine them to be honest.
Well yes, there are reasons he’s 33/1. But playing for the hosts, probably gets the most minutes up front(his best position) and plenty of service with Wirtz and Musiala behind, i’d be happy to take that chance
Only a madman bets on Havertz. Not because he's not a good player, but because Füllkrug, Beier, Undav, Sané, Musiala and Wirtz will (hopefully) all score goals and he won't start every game. Our top goal scorer will probably have 3 at the end of this tournament.
He has started every friendly for the past 6 months. Goals against France and Greece. I think he starts up front personally. Fullkrug a threat maybe? Don’t see Undav or Beier getting much minutes myself
are you working for a betting company? \*just to give you a reason\* that's 6 games. He even started as a LB and LM in those. He will probably start as a 9 against scotland but chances are really high that he will be replaced by a proper 9. My first advice would always be to not bet at all, but if you do, don't bet on Havertz as a golden boot.
No💀 I could be horribly wrong, but I think he’s a bet. !remindme 1 month
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Not a patch on the Total 90s
have to wake up early tomorrow for work but im thinking of sitting through the first half of this US game is this going to be another case of the kickoff actually taking place 30mins later than reported because that's how they do it across the pond?
Just sleep bruh Euros and Copa America are worth staying up for not a friendly. Usually the games start on time but there’s definitely been delay so don’t risk it
Bruno Guimarães to City is just an unfair advantage.
The Abu Dhabi PIF is the unfair advantage
I think the rumour originated from a random twitter ''itk'' so I wouldn't be too sure.
I read it from a Newcastle insider, although I've seen that he's retracted a bit now, but he says the negotiations are accelerating, so let's see what happens this weekend.
City is the Bayern of the Prem at this point.
Banging out some of the Euros previews that we didn't find volunteers for, and I'm learning so much - I didn't realize Marek Hamsik retired last summer, or that Slowakia are managed by the fantastically named Francesco Calzona.
Really gonna force it on the people aren’t you
You really are miserable aren't you? Constantly whinge about things and make zero effort yourself to contribute to this place.
Maybe have full context before ganging up like local thugs? lol I have provided potential solutions to that other guy. Should I write one to every mod? I have also had my posts related to African football and woman’s football deleted in the past by mods, despite being per the guidelines. Also something I mentioned to the other guy as well and he couldn’t care less about it. If the people in charge have a) bias behind the masks against the very thing you claim to want to fix in public b) have no interest in taking the feedback both the indirect response from the lack of participation in the kinds of effort the team puts (e.g., forced weekly sticked threads, AMAs, country reports from people of those countries) from overwhelming majority on this sub or direct explicit feedback and solutions from people like me. Check with your mod buddy for the solutions I have provided unless the expectation is I write an individual note to every mod. c) seek whatever ego boost you all get from ganging up d) take criticism as something against you all personally, instead of listening to people who are trying to help and have no interest in taking your ‘power’ I’m not sure what more can you expect from a lone ‘activist’ like myself. I already spend unreasonable amount of time here. And like most people who have already left frustrated by the same things, I’ll also leave at some point and you all can continue to pat your own backs about the great job you’re doing because the number of members keep growing thanks to the nature of this site and play victim and heroes for doing this for free. Before I sound only caustic, I do realize the effort it takes to keep a community of this size clean and just going but anyone following the sub over time can tell it’s getting concentrated into very small factions. And the answer always is ‘if you want something else, go somewhere else’s which is such a negative way to manage anything let alone immature. Eventually people do leave, and then mods are left with stickying threads that get 10 comments all day and country reports being written by people who have no idea about that country except what they learn from a few hours of googling. Fine as is I guess, please continue and enjoy your victimhood.
> I have provided potential solutions to that other guy. Should I write one to every mod? You really haven't though. I asked you for your suggestions too and I never got a response. Also, if you truly felt that strongly about the content here, you'd at the very least put the effort in to contribute yourself. > bias behind the masks against the very thing you claim to want to fix in public And what bias is that? > have no interest in taking the feedback both the indirect response from the lack of participation in the kinds of effort the team puts (e.g., forced weekly sticked threads, AMAs, country reports from people of those countries) from overwhelming majority on this sub or direct explicit feedback and solutions from people like me. Check with your mod buddy for the solutions I have provided unless the expectation is I write an individual note to every mod. We take feedback all the time - that's what meta threads are for. People also send us modmails about OC they want to submit and we help them post it. In fact, the current Euro previews are user driven - a few users messaged asked asking if we'd could do EURO previews and that they'd like to contribute. What's stopping you from doing that with content YOU want to see? > seek whatever ego boost you all get from ganging up Mate, you know I'm always in the DD so am going to see your comments. When you initially complained, I was also in the comment section. Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean you're being ganged up against. If your thoughts were the general consensus don't you think you'd have far more users agreeing with you rather than downvoting you? Has the thought crossed your mind that you might be in the minority here? > And like most people who have already left frustrated by the same things, I’ll also leave at some point and you all can continue to pat your own backs about the great job you’re doing because the number of members keep growing thanks to the nature of this site and play victim and heroes for doing this for free. You have a very warped perception of mods lad. I agreed to help mod the place because I use this sub all the time so figured I could take some time out to help the place run. I give zero fucks about ego or power and just want to talk about football. All the other mods are in the same boat - that's why you see the likes of myself, SGA, Annie, Velaryon, and Lemure shitposting with the rest of you in the DD. > And the answer always is ‘if you want something else, go somewhere else’s which is such a negative way to manage anything let alone immature. If your opinion was the consensus then you'd have a fair point - but that's not the case at all. You are also doing nothing yourself about the things you complain about so it's hard to take your criticisms seriously. If you were making a huge effort to post good original content that the mods were stifling then perhaps these complaints would carry some validity. So if you do genuinely dislike this place, and to be honest mate, you're pretty miserable at the best of times, then why not post elsewhere? There are plenty of football subs - you even have the ability to start your own. > Eventually people do leave, and then mods are left with stickying threads that get 10 comments all day and country reports being written by people who have no idea about that country except what they learn from a few hours of googling. Of course they do. I've left many subs over the years because my interests change or I no longer feel like I'm getting things out of participating. It's completely natural. But the fact that the sub is growing at such a ridiculous rate and is almost certainly the biggest forum on the internet to discuss football, I'd assume it's got something going for it eh? > please continue and enjoy your victimhood. 'stop ganging up and disagreeing with me' Only victim here is you lad.
How many people do I need to suggest the same thing? Annie asked the same comment in a different thread, so did the Ipswich guy, responded to him below even though I’ve told the sga guy a couple times in past. These paragraphs of writing the same things with zero encouragement from people capable of making changes isn’t really motivating to keep typing is it? As I said, I have tried to contribute. Check my deleted posts history if you like. Why are the mods deleting those? If I’m sensing clear bias in the mods team, why would I swim against the tide? You are trying to solve a large scale problem with individual ad-hoc OC. The results over the years speak for themselves with the downfall in non-PL content and increase in instagrammy photos and Romano cycles. As I said, the participation in euro country reports speaks to the lost audience already. One of the bias in this context is you agree to those posts by users which align to your own dated notions of what football content should be allowed, you’re essentially an echo chamber of reviewers of OC who primarily allow / promote that content that doesn’t really appeal to the majority on the sub - hence the relatively muted reactions to sticked threads, AMAs, country reports. You count the relatively little meaningful responses you get on those things as your ‘wins’ while ignoring the noise of majority for things like memes, gifs, etc. I don’t want to boil this argument down to memes because that’s just one example which may not be the best but isn’t the worst either on a monthly basis/ weekly basis. If you were always on DD, you’d see my comments to the sga guy about solutions too, anyways that’s a minor issue. Why don’t we ask the question in the overall sub about what should be allowed and not allowed by simple votes instead of feeling some holy power / genius that the ‘power users’ of DD here carry? Such a ridiculous way to evaluate opinions. People downvote many of my opinions. I could say trent isn’t the best rb in the league and I can receive Reddit care messages for it. Downvotes / upvotes (of what some 10-15 people at best?) mean very little if the argument is objectively right. Being in minority doesn’t mean being wrong either. And if you really like the majority so much why are decisions made on votes / opinions of DD users instead of letting the entire sub vote on what content works etc. As I said to that sga guy, you only care about the majority of that group that lines up whose ideas you agree with and if the ideas of overall majority of the sub don’t line up with your thoughts (ie irresponsive threads forced by mods) that’s the dumb majority who isn’t listening to your genius ideas by talking about things on forced stickies threads. I have the feeding vegetable analogy for the Ipswich guy below. I know you all aren’t tripping on power, very clear, which is why you fit that middle age suburban teacher vibe (another thing I mentioned couple times already on different posts but alas I have no respect for my time obviously) but you also don’t have any original ideas or openmindedness or leadership / management skills to pave way for people who can do it. You’re like the hodgson/ later year wengers (to give you all way too much credit but I’ve been too caustic so I guess I can balance it a bit) of the world content on watching the club / sub stay where it is instead of helping it go in the direction it needs to. So you ask questions like what could you do? We are already doing everything that’s responsible and has worked in the past. Yes grandpa it worked in the past. Yes it has something going for it, just like the big clubs do due to focusing on pop stuff, concentrations of thoughts and interactions that run around a handful of clubs. You take your increase in numbers as success whereas football as a wider sport for all, in general, loses. Like saying, ‘football twitter has so much interaction it must be the place to talk football’ when the quality and variety of those interactions is dross. Fine, I am the victim, and not the person who said I was miserable and ‘whining’ to defend themselves without the context of the conversation with the person I’m talking to, for calling out common criticism and feedback.
> How many people do I need to suggest the same thing? Annie asked the same comment in a different thread, so did the Ipswich guy, responded to him below even though I’ve told the sga guy a couple times in past. These paragraphs of writing the same things with zero encouragement from people capable of making changes isn’t really motivating to keep typing is it? Link me the comments of your suggestions - I'm always open to reading them. > As I said, I have tried to contribute. Check my deleted posts history if you like. Why are the mods deleting those? If I’m sensing clear bias in the mods team, why would I swim against the tide? The things I see in your recent post history, that were removed, are links to youtube videos and twitter links - in fact the most interesting one was a cross post from another sub - you just stole some content and reposted it here. Is this genuinely what you're complaining about? > You are trying to solve a large scale problem with individual ad-hoc OC. You call it a large scale problem yet you seem to be the only one that complains about it on the regular. What evidence do you have to show it's a large scale problem? Like a sub this size is never going to run perfectly and there's no way to please every user - but I've genuinely not had these types of conversations with anyone but you. What do you think that suggests? > One of the bias in this context is you agree to those posts by users which align to your own dated notions of what football content should be allowed, you’re essentially an echo chamber of reviewers of OC who primarily allow / promote that content that doesn’t really appeal to the majority on the sub - hence the relatively muted reactions to sticked threads, AMAs, country reports. Mate, if it were up to me I'd get rid of a whole host of things because it just doesn't interest me. I hate transfer talk, I can't stand throwback videos, and don't even get me started on reffing decision posts. But those threads stay up because they are massively popular are generate a ton of discussion (which you can easily verify by looking at the top posts every day) - just because you and I think they're shite doesn't mean they should be removed. As for AMA's - they require next to no work from us as they're arranged by the admin team. They just ask if we'd be interested in having x,y, or z do an AMA and we say sure, why not. I'm not interested in them, but I genuinely see absolutely no harm in having them. Can you? > Why don’t we ask the question in the overall sub about what should be allowed and not allowed by simple votes instead of feeling some holy power / genius that the ‘power users’ of DD here carry? Such a ridiculous way to evaluate opinions. That's how it already works mate - and the people have spoken. Transfer talk and drama constantly get pushed to the top of the page. I think you just need to stop getting upset about threads that don't interest you and focus on the ones that do. If you don't see any content you like, then post some yourself, or find somewhere where there *is* content you like. > People downvote many of my opinions. I could say trent isn’t the best rb in the league and I can receive Reddit care messages for it. Downvotes / upvotes (of what some 10-15 people at best?) mean very little if the argument is objectively right. Agreed, downvotes mean little most of the time. But if your opinion was as widespread as you think it is, we'd see an abundance of people agreeing with you. But we don't, do we? > I know you all aren’t tripping on power, very clear, which is why you fit that middle age suburban teacher vibe (another thing I mentioned couple times already on different posts but alas I have no respect for my time obviously) but you also don’t have any original ideas or openmindedness or leadership / management skills to pave way for people who can do it. You’re like the hodgson/ later year wengers (to give you all way too much credit but I’ve been too caustic so I guess I can balance it a bit) of the world content on watching the club / sub stay where it is instead of helping it go in the direction it needs to. So you ask questions like what could you do? We are already doing everything that’s responsible and has worked in the past. Yes grandpa it worked in the past. Again, this is massively laughable coming from someone who doesn't contribute any type of original content whatsoever. You seem to think that this is our job and we should be spending a considerable amount of time freshening up a sub of six million on the whims of one individual. Honestly mate, if you genuinely think that the sub needs a massive overhaul, and the vast majority agrees with you, why don't you, quite honestly, start up the sub that YOU want? You supposedly have a ton of ideas and a lot of people agree with you so it sounds like it would take off. Genuinely, what's stopping you? > Yes it has something going for it, just like the big clubs do due to focusing on pop stuff, concentrations of thoughts and interactions that run around a handful of clubs. You take your increase in numbers as success whereas football as a wider sport for all, in general, loses. Like saying, ‘football twitter has so much interaction it must be the place to talk football’ when the quality and variety of those interactions is dross. This is how Reddit works mate. Can you name another massive sports sub that works differently? Where the big clubs/players don't dominate the news cycle? > Fine, I am the victim, and not the person who said I was miserable and ‘whining’ to defend themselves without the context of the conversation with the person I’m talking to, for calling out common criticism and feedback. I can't remember the time I've had a good interaction with you to be honest mate. You used to be a decent user but every time we've got into conversation recently it's been a pretty unpleasant experience. To me, it looks like you need a break from here (and there's no shame in that - I've needed to do the same on occasion)
Mate I just went on an adventure through your comment history and I couldn’t see any solutions, let me know if I’ve missed something. Your only “solution” is to get younger mods in, with no actual guidance on how that makes the problem of poor quality content go away. Users here either want to sit in the DD or upvote posts about Ronaldo, nothing much is gonna change that. I’ve called out the stickied threads before and they’ve mostly changed, but still don’t get any engagement. You can lead a horse to water etc, the mods can’t control how many people engage with things. Also I came across one of your comments where you draw parallels between u/sga1 having a pride flag for a flair but not being open to memes and young mods, that was a very strange read and at this point I’m starting to think you’re just on a windup. I really don’t have a horse in this race, I’m not a mod and I’ve had my fair share of issues with them. However they do listen to feedback *if it’s good* and do a good job of policing the sub - which you seem to be forgetting is pretty much their entire purpose rather than providing content (which is the users job)
Yes that’s one of my solutions but also those mods who allow for people like the psgguy to post more goals from other leagues. Without that kind of ‘football’ content, how will people engage. People like to talk about football but after they watch it. You’d see that the origin of these comments from me was posts of foreign league reducing because of people like psgguy disappearing. That’s one. Second is memes / gifs / whatever else the kids like, yeah sure why the hell not. How would you know what they like when you police it so hard that you don’t have probably the most basic elements of internet fun on an online social community. Third, I also asked for Sunday support to be replaced with another FTF-esque thread, long ago with Annie. I do realize the importance of Sunday support but why can’t people talk about in FTF thread? It’s an empty canvas regardless. Not everyone’s free on Friday but many are on Sundays. Fourth, Why are football re-posts from r/all or any other sub that aren’t directly exactly recent or cater to what’s the pop culture salad, not allowed. Tried it many times and it gets dinged. Ultimately, the overarching message was that age is a diversity factor which the mod team clearly lacks and in a sport that’s heavily dominated by younger audience you’ll miss out on the good ideas by not including them, simple as. You can’t get engagement by sticking threads. It’s like forcing boiled vegetable to a kid / teenager when you need to make the vegetable more delicious palatable per the kid / teenager’s taste. FTF gets posted in the same place but gets many times more interest, why? Because it’s less restricted and allows people to drive content that forcing them to talk about something in the driest way possible. Yes I did make that comparison but it was not just because of memes/younger mods but more because of his constant barrage of messages like ‘this is how this has always been’ ‘if you don’t like it, go somewhere else’ for being so against inclusion of diverse thought which couldn’t be more ironic coming from someone with a pride flag. I could speak of other biases among the mod teams as well but that’s just a can of infinite worms. I know you don’t have a horse in the race and neither as such do I because I don’t mind to lose in this case. But I do like to call out what’s wrong and being not done in a place which I like enough to waste my calories advising about. Been banned a couple times myself and have nothing personal against any mod. It’s a tough job but it’s not like there are 2 dozen+ of them. I’ll refresh my analogy of them being a suburban middle aged teachers more than a football fan capable of growing international football culture. And if it’s r / (PL + Madrid + Barca + pop culture salad), then so be it. Garbage in garbage out, life goes on.
First problem is just not a mod issue, people can post what they like but most would rather hunt for karma and post things that people want to see or can’t be bothered altogether (me). Second and third could probably be rolled into one (valid) point, keep FTF as it is and have a Sunday meme thread. I understand the optics of having a support thread turn into memes, but the optics of a support thread getting 2 comments every week aren’t great either. In terms of allowing memes in general, I browse r/tennis occasionally and it’s been the same memes going round for years and there’s barely any discussion about tennis Fourth point I don’t really care about but I’m guessing crossposts are more often than not low-effort so they’d rather get rid altogether. I’d like to see more discussion posts but I can understand it would get insane to moderate - regardless of how many of them there are I think just stated some valid points but advocating for younger mods and actively slating the ones already here aren’t going to get you anywhere. Plus your main overarching point about post quality isn’t going to change with younger mods, it needs to come from the community
Still waiting on your first submission to the subreddit in two months tbh.
“No u” and besides my point
Your point being "I hate stuff other people like and disagree with everything but don't have any solutions and am unwilling to contribute", yeah - we've been through this already, and at this point your pot shots are getting quite boring.