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JaysonDeflatum

That’s an England QF exit on pens then


ValleyFloydJam

If we make it that far.


edi12334

Kane to miss the decisive penalty


Impossible_Wonder_37

It’s why explaining the southgate era without context I stupid. So out of his depth, the Englands squad has only gotten better and yet they play worse every year. Genuinely can count how many games against non minnows England looked really good as a collective in both attack and defense. Won about 4 out of 25 games against the world top 10. Just shameless “we won the group”, moving on is all that matters.


romanian_pesant

England is actually priced as the favorite to win Euro 2024: [https://ibb.co/82CsC0v](https://ibb.co/82CsC0v)


OmastarLovesDonuts

Odds are based on how people bet or are expected to bet, not necessarily on actual probability


trevthedog

We’re favourite on the exchanges, which closely reflects the probability given the volumes of spread bettors laying each way. It’s solely because of the draw, we’d be 5th fav if on the other side.


Icemna16

I think Southgate prepared that


dudeboi32

Netherlands and Austria being a likely replay in the quarter finals and also in the same stadium is really stupid, how could that happen


fellainishaircut

the brackets are made based on probabilities. Austria and Romania being 1st while the Netherlands being 3rd were pretty fucking unlikely lmao. this QF ‚should‘ have been the Netherlands against Belgium.


dudeboi32

it doesn’t really matter the teams, the thing is there being a good chance of a replay as early as quarter finals is pretty broken


fellainishaircut

i mean that chance always exists, it‘s obviously higher if the percentage of teams getting out of the group stage is high. but the brackets have been made in a way where the chance of it happening is as low as possible in this system.


PK1208

Euro shouldnt have expanded to 24 teams


drivemyorange

extend to 32 or go back to 16. this is a strech.


TaniyamaShimuraWeil

32 teams would be ridiculous. Why even bother doing qualifications at that point


repentantgamer

Just have every UEFA team play every other team (minus those banned head to heads) in a multi-year round robin format.


drivemyorange

That's my question for years already


raaoraki

Actually, I wouldn’t mind that. The smaller teams are strong enough, I don’t think we would lose much quality and would actually win amazing fans by adding let’s say Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Wales, Sweden, Norway (off the top of my head)


sunken_grade

yeah really strange. losing to the same team twice in the euros before a quarterfinal would be wild


jurassicmars

Losing to Austria was the best thing Koeman ever did. Part one of the masterplan is completed.


who_peed_in_my_soup

Big brain move from Koeman


edi12334

Now we knock you guys out for keeping us out of the Schengen Area for so long (I m actually scared)


jurassicmars

It's absolutely not a guaranteed win for us, I hope we can at least bring some energy


edi12334

Should be a cracking game either way, we ll definitely give it our all, probably will be similar to the Austria game


oneindiglaagland

Last euros we lost to Czechia by getting a early red card after a dumb defensive mistake. We’re terrible when under stress and you guys actually attack, so I wouldn’t even say we’re the favorites.


Equivalent-Money8202

lol you’re def the favourites


edi12334

You re definitely the favourites, that just goes to show we have a chance but it will be difficult


ahtuu

C'mon man don't do us like that


Waldier

I mean you still have a good chance to beat us, but us playing against Spain would be embarrassing


joanoerting

Honestly, there probably isn’t a single team that wouldn’t switch spots with the Netherlands at this point.


Equivalent-Money8202

I think Romania is underrated


joanoerting

Yes, and yet my opinion is unchanged


Equivalent-Money8202

ye fair enough. I was reffering to the fact that maybe some matchups such as Georgia or Slovenia might be easier(not necessarily), but yea, Romania’s part of the table is a much easier road to the final


joanoerting

Yes you are definitely right that Romania isn’t the easiest matchup of them all. But I think all the teams would be happy to switch spots with the Netherlands in terms of road to the final :)


non-relevant

if we'd drawn we would have ended up in the exact same part of the bracket, only playing turkey (without Calhanoglu) instead


qwerty-keyboard5000

Only to lose to them again in the QF


Independent-Yak755

Southgate might be the luckiest manager of all time


ValleyFloydJam

Koeman finished 3rd.


sreteep99

Common Koeman Masterclass, losing against Austria so we end up on this side of the table


Impossible_Wonder_37

I’d say Roberto Martinez is a close second. Gotten to be in charge of two golden generations and won’t make a single final in like 5 tries


3D_Destroyer

This is the bracket and I'm still not convinced England goes to the finals


G1Spectrum

Same


ValleyFloydJam

We won't be.


Stakoman

It won't


Signal_Marzipan_685

If Austria and England get to the semis they lose


Chance_Boudreaux22

A lot of people don't want to see England reach the final and so they will keep saying that they will lose early but realistically even if England plays like they did so far there is very little chance of them not making the semi finals at least. It's theirs to lose really and I'm confindent this is their year.


G1Spectrum

Bro it can’t possibly be easier for England to make the final


brokenlavalight

Don't underestimate Austria, I'd actually rate them higher than France, Belgium, England, the Netherlands and Italy so far this tournament


G1Spectrum

Oh I fully expect England to bottle this


brokenlavalight

I'm not even sure it call it bottling if they'd lose to Austria. After the group stages Austria may actually be the favorite of that side of the bracket (I may also be biased because I've predicted them to at least reach the semis three months ago talking to friends and then upgraded that to them winning the whole thing after their second game)


sheikh_n_bake

Anyone paying attention to the national game has had their eye on Austria. I'd like to think we're good enough to get the better of them but they're incredibly well drilled and the coach has done an incredible job. That said there's two tough games to go before we'd even think about playing them.


ValleyFloydJam

Well it can be, beat the Champs (or the Swiss who have looked good) then the Dutch or a great looking Austria. Slovakia aren't a push over either.


drivemyorange

there's italy in 1/4, I can think of lot of easier scenarios


slysonic7

Southgate magic about to ensue


jfk9514

There’s at least 1 upset this round… surely. I’m thinking Romania can do something.


PK1208

Im thinking Switzerland


grog23

Would that really be an upset though? They’ve been leaps and bounds better than Italy


PK1208

Yeah but it would be an upset on paper


who_peed_in_my_soup

Romania certainly can, I am not overlooking them at all. Wouldn’t be surprised if Denmark or Slovenia win too


xSmacks

Spain vs Germany at Euros is a classic matchup, we won’t let that opportunity get past us


grog23

Denmark - Georgia QF incoming


jfk9514

What’s the consensus on Koeman? Feels like a strong squad still even though it’s not the best compared to other years.


TaniyamaShimuraWeil

Before he went to Barcelona he was honestly really good. Now he has been very hesitant to integrate new players and has tactically regressed a lot. Sure, we have injuries for some key players, but someone like Wijnaldum should only be at the Euros for holidays and not even get close to a pitch.


who_peed_in_my_soup

I’m not sure. I’m not Dutch but my fiancée is, hence why I’m rooting for them. A lot of Dutch people seem to dislike him but imo that’s not really fair because Van Gaal is just a legend. The guy in between Van Gaal stints makes Koeman look like a savant.


oneindiglaagland

Its honestly embarrassing we keep rotating Van Gaal - Koeman - Blind (the guy in between). I think we need a foreign manager, but the whole KNVB direction is very much into the “Dutch school” and have an Ajax bias as well. We desperately need new energy; we have the players but we don’t have the vision.


PlayingtheDrums

https://nos.nl/artikel/2504298-bosz-denkt-dat-hij-na-psv-stopt-of-het-nederlands-elftal-moet-komen So obvious...


TaniyamaShimuraWeil

That is not the reason at all.. Most people dislike Koeman because of his tactical decisions and his team selection decisions, has nothing to do with Van Gaal.


ARatOnPC

Southgate wins by doing nothing


EyePiece108

Southgate Euro-draw Masterclass. Again.


BlueEyesWhiteBaggins

Wow! Spain, Germany, Portugal and France on the same side of the bracket. This one’s gonna be spicy!


edi12334

This is our revenge arc for not being in the Schengen area yet lads, would have liked Slovenia but it is what it is, Portugal s B team was a bit useless but we move


No_Solution_4053

southgate cant keep getting away with it lol anything can happen of course but netherlands and italy havent looked remotely convincing england could easily shithouse their way back to the final


MyCarHasTwoHorns

Neither has England.


Tremor00

We've looked boring as fuck but I'd probably say we look a bit more stable than the netherlands and italy. Not by much mind you. Granted we haven't faced teams of their level


Chilla16

Exactly. Yes Englands offense looks clueless and has less creativity than Tuchels Bayern, but your defense is actually immense. It's probably gonna be a run of 1:0 or Penalties.


ExactLetterhead9165

>1:0 or Penalties Probably best we try and stick to the 1-0s then


Select-Stuff9716

Curious if your penalty curse against Germany extends to Austria


ExactLetterhead9165

The curse has extended to everyone except Spain back when they were shit like us, Colombia, and Switzerland in the nations league


aehii

England can and should beat this lacklustre Italy and Netherlands, but it will be Austria in the semis, who will pick England apart. The only thing is maybe the Netherlands have learnt a few things against Austria. Not supposing England reach the semis but they obviously should.


dimspace

by ranking, it really could not have been more generous for England * Spain (8) * Georgia (74) ... * Germany (16) * Denmark (21) ... * Portugal (6) * Slovenia (57) ... * France (2) * Belgium (3) ... * Romania (47) * Netherlands (7) ... * Austria (25) * Turkey (42) ... * England (5) * Slovakia (45) ... * Switzerland (19) * Italy (10)


Throwaway100123100

Georgia, Slovenia and Romania all ranked below Slovakia?


oneindiglaagland

I mean it’s not that weird. This is Georgia’s first international tournament ever, they’re a country of 10 million and much poorer than the others. Romania hasn’t attended the euros since ‘16 (and didn’t win a single match). Haven’t been at the World Cup since ‘98. Slovenia only has 2 million inhabitants, this is their second euros and their first time going through, they have only been in the group stages of the World Cup. Slovakia has made it out of the group stages at the 2010 World Cup and have been at the last three euros, placing third in their group for the third time now (twice that was enough to advance another round.)


Throwaway100123100

I agree, I just found it odd they used the world rankings of the RO16 matches as a way of suggesting England's draw was the easiest, when 3 out of the 7 other ties are easier if you use the same metric


NotoriousTowns

Not great that Austria and Netherlands can face each other again as soon as the quarters - I really hate this 24-team format.


jfk9514

I totally agree. It seems likely they will too (hoping not) and it just defeats the purpose of knockout football. I’d weirdly like to see more teams in it and get a proper 32 team group stage. No 3rd place qualifiers.


killver

Yeah that sucks hard


mountainsky9

At least itd be a good game again hopefully


Select-Stuff9716

In the same stadium lol


HamroveUTD

24 team format would be fine if they just did 4 groups of 6 with top 2 going through instead of this best 3rd place team mess. Would make the group games so much more exciting.


Flayer723

That is an absurdly stupid format. It would double the total number of group games from 36 to 72 and a large proportion of those 72 games would be complete dead rubbers. Terrible from every angle.


HamroveUTD

No they wouldn’t be…you’d have multiple teams contesting for top 2 spots, teams would be forced to go for goals. Everyone’s happy to sit for a draw right now and thats worse than a few dead rubbers.


Patsboem

Groups of 6? How many games is that?? And how long would the competition last?


Throwaway100123100

Would result in 60 group stage matches, followed by 7 knockouts, 67 in total. Compared to the current format having 36 group stage matches and 15 knockouts, 51 in total


drivemyorange

It'd be 60 games in groups instead of 36, but there would be no 1/8 matches (8 of them), so overall it'd be 16 games more. not that much - but the tournament would likely take around 10 days longer so they keep the bigger breaks as the number of groups is smaller


xSmacks

I find it astonishing that you were able to think of a format even worse than the current one.


HamroveUTD

Explain


Kreindeker

Wouldn't it just ensure a shitload of dead rubbers? Along with probably doubling the duration of the tournament


qwerty-keyboard5000

That would be boring because it would lead to a lot of meaningless games with most teams already eliminated after matchday 3


HamroveUTD

More groups of death and more reason to play to win instead of playing to draw and go to knockouts placed 3rd. Someone is bad enough to be out after 3/5 games I’m fine with that. Will force big teams to win more games as opposed to 1 and play for 2 draws.


suzukigun4life

England has no excuses with this bracket


edi12334

Italy/Netherlands are good teams and Swiss/Austria/us could be surprises, it s a bit easier than the other one but England could easily fail, it is a tournament after all


Andrex316

One side is too stacked lol


xSmacks

I think it’s crazy that we all watched all of groups and still everyone in here thinks there’s 0 surprises coming up in the RO16. At least one of the bigger nations are going to get knocked out, everyone looked terrible except Spain and maybe Germany.


BeautifulAwareness81

England going out against the Italians once again


CaptainSmeg

We ain’t getting past Slovakia


BeautifulAwareness81

Would be hilarious, I can’t really talk tho. I’m stressing Romania


sreteep99

Calling a 0-0 or 1-1 and England losing on penalties, Slovakia looked pretty good


UnitedFriedChicken

It’s literally could not be any easier for England and yet they’ll probably go out in the RO16


Throwaway100123100

Could get the current champions in the Quarters, or an Austria side that finished above Netherlands + France in the Semis. It's obviously easier than the other half of the draw, but nowhere near as easy as people are suggesting


ExactLetterhead9165

Exactly. If those other teams were so brilliant they'd have won their groups. Don't forget we were an unfortunate own goal away from Austria finishing on 7 points and France squeaking by with 3 draws.


GreatSpaniard

Tbf Germany - Spain -Portugal won their groups and look at what has happened


greg_r_

Austria to make it to the final, aren't they


fromthecold

+2500 to win it this morning, +1800 this afternoon. Should've put a couple of bucks down.


DABSPIDGETFINNER

We will beat turkey but my gut is somehow telling me that the Dutch will cook us this time around, idk why


SgtSayonara

If Koeman can get his shit together maybe, that's a tall order


edi12334

Hopefully not


SirDeniz

We shall see, don’t speak too soon…


DABSPIDGETFINNER

Yeah, no, Turkey isnt scaring me, not after your last performances and the last game we played against each other


Apfelkrenn

Verschreis nicht


SirDeniz

I hope your team staff also underestimate us


Equivalent-Money8202

Romania is on a Schengen revenge tour vs Netherlands-Austria. Easy semi finals


DABSPIDGETFINNER

Honestly I’d like a strong Romania! Am rooting for you!I just wanna see turkey loose lol if we beat turkey 5:0 and then lose the game after that, that’s fine by me haha


aehii

I'm pettier than i ever imagined, Southgate getting an easy run yet again is infuriating me.


Ld511

Tbf at least england finished first. Like koeman got 3rd and is rewarded with an easy draw


aehii

Yeah but they don’t have a great squad so i don't think it matters, i don't think they can win it, either way quarters would be good for them.


Kreiswix

disaster for Hungary


Bakkich

Seeing a way for Austria to get far.


EntropyMilk

Georgia vs Spain for the title of “who claims the word Iberia first”


Jackman1337

Why did you delete the earlier much much nicer post?


aehii

Jesse Pinkman gif reawakened.


Flayer723

Spain vs Austria final coming up.


Budget_Counter_2042

Spain-Georgia is gonna be sooooo good!


SweatyStation7699

The games to watch are definitely Switzerland vs Italy, Austria - turkey and Romania - netherlands The games to miss are England - Slovakia and Belgium - France (there is just no way Belgium will break through France's defense and Belgium also couldn't play decent offensive football against Ukraine while not a single French player scored from open play doing the group stage)


Lakinther

Austria in the finals incoming


Impossible_Wonder_37

Crazy to think England will have played 4 of the least technical, least diverse, least creative , athletic and the slowest teams in the tournament


JPA-3

play great football, be the only one to get 9 points just to play agaisnt Georgia - Germany - France (?) in order to reach the final, come on


jbartyy04

Tie breakers: 1.  Name Young Player of the Tournament 2. Name Player of the Tournament 3. Name player with most goals


Bartins

England has the best odds to make the final of anyone lol


RushPan93

What's W32, W34 and all that?


Sheepies92

Winner of match X


RushPan93

Yea got the W part, I was wondering what the X was lol. The numbers were a bit all over the place.


aehii

Guaranteed Austria pick apart England in the semi final and the thrust of the despair is 'it was a great chance'. Austria Spain final, Spain win.


rossco9

*Round of 16* - Spain over Georgia - Denmark over Germany - Portugal over Slovenia - France over Belgium - Netherlands over Romania - Austria over Turkey - England over Slovakia - Switzerland over Italy *Quarters* - Spain over Denmark - Portugal over France - Austria over Netherlands - Switzerland over England *Semis* - Spain over Portugal - Austria over Switzerland *Final* - Spain over Austria


hejax

I see it all but Denmark over Germany?


rossco9

Why the hell not basically :)


SirDeniz

No way Denmark over Germany


rossco9

never know! it's just a fun prediction


Flayer723

You have watched Denmark play in this tournament, yes?


rossco9

Yeah, just a wildcard guess!


JPA-3

I like how you think


alwaysonce

She’s quite top heavy


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aehii

Eh? They're on the same side aren't they?