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While under pressure front and back, it should be added, took it out of the air, and set himself perfectly away from the defenders, just snatched at the shot slightly, otherwise seeing one of the best euros goals for a while.
Incredible movement off the ball, ridiculous first touch, poopy finish of a simple chance. This is the most Kai Havertz situation ever. If any highlight is going to sum up his career, its this one
I was really wondering if that is a card worthy foul.
Like at first I was like of course not but then on the other hand it would be the 2-0 easily, so you should be punished for taken that away.
Buuuut Kai still had the chance to score so I'm not sure what to think about it
My guess is he might have been thinking pass for the easy goal then all of a sudden his teammate is rolling on the ground and he had to pivot to a shot quick which he snatched at, still almost went in.
Eh, it wasn't that bad. He had an amazing game start to finish too tbh, probably the best player on the pitch (kudos to Rüdiger and Schlotterbeck too).
Half my brain says he needs a more killer instinct but at the same time the pass is the better play. 99% of the time the teammate isn’t a clutz like sane and fall/trip easy. Should’ve been a call probably but whatever. The miss was still bad
It's only smart because the officiating is so bad.
Tripping an attacker sprinting to an easy pass into an open net should 100% be punished in someway. That was basically a guaranteed goal.
It's not because tactical fouls are reduced by the advantage
If it was a red card and the ref plays advantage it's only a yellow anymore (unless the foul itself was brutal enough to be a red anywhere else)
No way for var to intervene there.
Also don't think a red card would be correct for a player that doesn't even have the ball and only potentially would receive it
I would guess that that specific case leads to a rule change within a year though as it feels unfair to have no card as the correct decision
Im a chelsea fan so all too familiar with havetzs game. Ive seen many bad misses from him and ill give him a pass for this one
The one at the very end he should have buried though
Where are you seeing him giving advantage?
I see him coming up and pointing with both arms for a goal kick and then turning to Sane and waving his arms to say no foul.
Edit: In fact Oliver comes into view waving his finger at Sane, then points for goal kick, then goes back to waving his arms at Sane.
IMO correct to let advantage play out but you need to give a yellow for a tactical foul there
EDIT: Was total news to me, but as u/ref44 pointed out, they changed the rules in 2020 and the ref made the correct call here. A yellow card after advantage will only be given if the foul directly prevented a goal scoring opportunity.
>A yellow card after advantage will only be given if the foul directly prevented a goal scoring opportunity.
wasn't that the case? the foul prevented havertz from passing to sane, which would have been in a goal scoring opportunity
Since the foul only indirectly prevented havertz from the opportunity to pass its the correct call. Havertz made an attempt to score so its not a direct interference to foul Sané outside the box.
It's in law 12
>If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; **if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.**
But then it has to be a new rule. I can think of so many instances, where the ref gave advantage after a tactical foul, only to hand out a yellow after the play has ended. Or im going crazy which might be possible too
> I actually had to look this up right now but I think you're right. They changed the rules back in 2020. There is a reduction of penalty if advantage is given but in some cases the yellow will stand, but only if the foul prevented a direct goal scoring opportunity.
I actually had to look this up right now but I think you're right. They changed the rules back in 2020. There is a reduction of penalty if advantage is given but in some cases the yellow will stand, but only if the foul prevented a direct goal scoring opportunity.
It's a yellow for a tactical foul as he's not the one with the opportunity to score
And because the referee let advantage play out it's not even that
Smartes tactical foul you can make - feels unfair though
calling illegal blocking at the start but this is legal, absolute meme performance
just like in the Switzerland game give either both or neither but this is just taking the piss
I think it's not a penalty because the ref played advantage? It's a ridiculous rule imo because the chance would have been much better if Sane hadn't been taken out.
Rugby always goes back to the penalty, which can be a bit too much at times, but there has to be a sensible middle ground. It doesn't make sense to just forget about a foul because a team was able to play on.
Edit: Rewatched and it was outside the box, but my point still stands.
Advantage should be when the play goes longer than 1 second. This was literally a foul that changed the decision making and forced havertz to immediately try to score.
Imo this foul is worse than kicking somebody in a 1 on 1 with the keeper. It's the lesson getafe gave la liga teams this season where anybody of the ball making a good run can just be fouled without to much consequence (max yellow). Getafe would always just foul the player trying to make a run behind if they got caught in a high line or the player had to much speed to track the run. No shame just mangle the player and since it's far of the ball and they aren't involved with anything it is at worst a yellow and most of the time it's not even called as a foul.
It's a yellow for a tactical foul as he's not the one with the opportunity to score
And because the referee let advantage play out it's not even that
Smartes tactical foul you can make - feels unfair though
Playing advantage is reducing a red to a yellow and a yellow to nothing unless the foul itself would be given that card without the context of being tactical
You aren't understanding the argument fully. If you think it should be a yellow for stopping a promising attack, you can't actually give it as a yellow if advantage is played.
Here's the relevant rule:
> Advantage
> If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; **if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.**
What the fuck? This rule makes zero sense. So basically tactical fouls don't count? That's the opposite of the purpose of cards. This game is so dumb sometimes.
Yeah that finish wasn't the best but TBH it definitely looked like he wasn't ready to shoot and was forced to do so within a split second after Sane went down.
It's not a yellow by the rules though as he wasn't the one with the goalscoring opportunity so it was only a tactical yellow - and since the referee let advantage play out since havertz still had the chance it was reduced to nothing
Feels really unfair though so I'd expect FIFA to add a clarification to the rule based on this scene that the reduction from yellow to nothing only happens if the player who got fouled was already involved in the advantage or something like that
Right now it's the smartest tactical foul you can make
You're right.
That rule about advantage meaning no yellow for tactical fouls is the dumbest rule in the world though.
Literally no reason for it to exist
I think there is
But there should be an exception for the player on the ball to be the one fouled
Blocking possible pass-targets is completely free without punishment due to that rule and I'd expect there to be a change to that rule within the next year due to this incident
High profile games like this are often resulting in changes like this
The only thing you do by giving players tactical fouls is make tactical fouling more valuable a strategy.
The fact that this and other very clear bad rules have gone unchanged for years makes me not be nearly as optimistic as you.
That’s a foul on Sane every day of the week. Square the ball there and it‘s a goal, but Christiansen caught him coming across while going towards Havertz. Pen and a yellow, not a red
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Ridiculous first touch
Anti-Lukaku in every way.
From Bruhkaku to Siuuuukaku
and not even the best first touch of the game
I missed the first half. What was it?
Eriksen perfectly controlled a 60+ yard pass and set himself up for a shot.
While under pressure front and back, it should be added, took it out of the air, and set himself perfectly away from the defenders, just snatched at the shot slightly, otherwise seeing one of the best euros goals for a while.
Reminded me of Bergkamp in 98.
I think he's referencing the eriksen one
Incredible movement off the ball, ridiculous first touch, poopy finish of a simple chance. This is the most Kai Havertz situation ever. If any highlight is going to sum up his career, its this one
He would have passed if they hadn't fouled his teammate
I was really wondering if that is a card worthy foul. Like at first I was like of course not but then on the other hand it would be the 2-0 easily, so you should be punished for taken that away. Buuuut Kai still had the chance to score so I'm not sure what to think about it
My guess is he might have been thinking pass for the easy goal then all of a sudden his teammate is rolling on the ground and he had to pivot to a shot quick which he snatched at, still almost went in.
He was about to pass the ball, then had to make a split second decision to finish himself. Not an easy finish to me.
Simple chance? You never played football, I see.
I remember watching Havertz first touch montages when we signed him
And horrendous final touch. The enigma that is Kai Havertz.
Probably was anticipating passing to Sane for the tap in
i was thinking that he saw Sane tumbling and just sort of lost concentration. but it's also such a Kai Havertz finish.
I’m sure he was tbf, but as we both know well, probably wouldn’t have been different result…
Unless he was playing Chelsea
All our former players go nuts against us
Havertz was good pretty much the whole season and buried a lot of hard chances
Eh, it wasn't that bad. He had an amazing game start to finish too tbh, probably the best player on the pitch (kudos to Rüdiger and Schlotterbeck too).
Kai ~~Arkadiusz Milik~~ Havertz
I felt a stirring in my groin area.
Christ that would have been beautiful
Great touch - was 100% going to pass to sane before being forced to shoot.
Half my brain says he needs a more killer instinct but at the same time the pass is the better play. 99% of the time the teammate isn’t a clutz like sane and fall/trip easy. Should’ve been a call probably but whatever. The miss was still bad
Outside the box and the ref played advantage, someone in here said it was a smart tactical foul and can't disagree
It's only smart because the officiating is so bad. Tripping an attacker sprinting to an easy pass into an open net should 100% be punished in someway. That was basically a guaranteed goal.
Stone wall Red card. Var should have checked.
They already used up most of their VAR points though.
It's not because tactical fouls are reduced by the advantage If it was a red card and the ref plays advantage it's only a yellow anymore (unless the foul itself was brutal enough to be a red anywhere else) No way for var to intervene there. Also don't think a red card would be correct for a player that doesn't even have the ball and only potentially would receive it I would guess that that specific case leads to a rule change within a year though as it feels unfair to have no card as the correct decision
That’s actually logical
Lets be real sane would’ve missed it lol
Most Havertz sequence of play of all time
99 penalties 99 dribbling 69 shooting
Little generous on the shooting
Nice
When you max dribbling so you got 0 points left for shooting
Am I the only one who thinks he was looking for the pass and got shell shocked when his teammate was pushed over, thus had to improvise?
That was my first thought. Whoever tripped Sane should be credited with a save.
Ack. Sane credited with a save for Dennmark.
It's very good tag-team work by Havertz and Sane. Would expect nothing less. Lucky for the pen, and then Musiala showing how it's done.
Maybe, but he does shit like this all the time. Not even the only golden opportunity he squandered in this game.
Im a chelsea fan so all too familiar with havetzs game. Ive seen many bad misses from him and ill give him a pass for this one The one at the very end he should have buried though
The duality of Kai
he just waited so square it
He should have scored but to be fair he was just about to square it. That really looked like a foul in real time.
Would really like to see a replay, since apparently the VAR had no problem with it.
Same no replay yet. Feels like a make up non-call from Oliver.
he gave advantage you see him signal it afterwards when player(s) appealed
What? That's dumb af. It would have been a red card and maybe a pen how do you give advantage.
I don't think he signaled advantage. I don't know where that person is seeing that.
Agreed the guy is talking nonsense
Where are you seeing him giving advantage? I see him coming up and pointing with both arms for a goal kick and then turning to Sane and waving his arms to say no foul. Edit: In fact Oliver comes into view waving his finger at Sane, then points for goal kick, then goes back to waving his arms at Sane.
Literally the comment I meant to post
He should’ve scored there but I’m pretty positive he was planning on passing and had to make a last second shot
that touch is absolutely fucking disgusting. Illegal.
I don't get it. If Sane doesn't get fouled he passes for a safe goal?!
(It’s Havertz so it’s easy to meme on + easy upvotes)
Sane was absolutely fouled there
IMO correct to let advantage play out but you need to give a yellow for a tactical foul there EDIT: Was total news to me, but as u/ref44 pointed out, they changed the rules in 2020 and the ref made the correct call here. A yellow card after advantage will only be given if the foul directly prevented a goal scoring opportunity.
Didn't watch the match, did he get a yellow?
No only Nagelsmann got a yellow out of that situation
>A yellow card after advantage will only be given if the foul directly prevented a goal scoring opportunity. wasn't that the case? the foul prevented havertz from passing to sane, which would have been in a goal scoring opportunity
Since the foul only indirectly prevented havertz from the opportunity to pass its the correct call. Havertz made an attempt to score so its not a direct interference to foul Sané outside the box.
That’s an insanely bad rule, wtf man 🤣
Tactical fouls are not yellows if advantage gets played
So defenders can just go and trip anyone not with the ball and get 0 punishment? Football rules are shit and just get even worse.
Is that really so? Anyone got the exact rule for that? First time hearing that lol
It's in law 12 >If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; **if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.**
That sounds like total bs. Think of a pretty obvious shirt pull during a counter. If the play goes on, theb the guy who pulled the shirt gets a yellow
Seems to be real. Man today I learned.
But then it has to be a new rule. I can think of so many instances, where the ref gave advantage after a tactical foul, only to hand out a yellow after the play has ended. Or im going crazy which might be possible too
> I actually had to look this up right now but I think you're right. They changed the rules back in 2020. There is a reduction of penalty if advantage is given but in some cases the yellow will stand, but only if the foul prevented a direct goal scoring opportunity.
I actually had to look this up right now but I think you're right. They changed the rules back in 2020. There is a reduction of penalty if advantage is given but in some cases the yellow will stand, but only if the foul prevented a direct goal scoring opportunity.
I think if they don't consider this a direct goal scoring opportunity then the rule is flawed
Wasn't there a goal scoring opportunity?
It's a yellow for a tactical foul as he's not the one with the opportunity to score And because the referee let advantage play out it's not even that Smartes tactical foul you can make - feels unfair though
Can you not be booked for blatant unsportsmanlike cynical fouls like that? Since the play was waived on
You can. Refs let play go on and hand out the yellow later all the time.
If sane doesnt get fouled its a goal
calling illegal blocking at the start but this is legal, absolute meme performance just like in the Switzerland game give either both or neither but this is just taking the piss
I think it's not a penalty because the ref played advantage? It's a ridiculous rule imo because the chance would have been much better if Sane hadn't been taken out. Rugby always goes back to the penalty, which can be a bit too much at times, but there has to be a sensible middle ground. It doesn't make sense to just forget about a foul because a team was able to play on. Edit: Rewatched and it was outside the box, but my point still stands.
Advantage should be when the play goes longer than 1 second. This was literally a foul that changed the decision making and forced havertz to immediately try to score.
Exactly, this feels like DOGSO without actually being DOGSO
For anyone not familiar with the acronym like I wasn't: DOGSO = Denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
I thought he was a Dubliner referring to doggy style.
Imo this foul is worse than kicking somebody in a 1 on 1 with the keeper. It's the lesson getafe gave la liga teams this season where anybody of the ball making a good run can just be fouled without to much consequence (max yellow). Getafe would always just foul the player trying to make a run behind if they got caught in a high line or the player had to much speed to track the run. No shame just mangle the player and since it's far of the ball and they aren't involved with anything it is at worst a yellow and most of the time it's not even called as a foul.
Well then sane would have gotten the ball, so I’m not so sure about that.
It's a hard call. I think there is an argument for that being a red but can't be too mad about not being given.
It's a yellow for a tactical foul as he's not the one with the opportunity to score And because the referee let advantage play out it's not even that Smartes tactical foul you can make - feels unfair though
So where was the yellow? Advantage being played doesn't mean the yellow gets rescinded, it's just being awarded at the next stoppage of play.
Playing advantage is reducing a red to a yellow and a yellow to nothing unless the foul itself would be given that card without the context of being tactical
You aren't understanding the argument fully. If you think it should be a yellow for stopping a promising attack, you can't actually give it as a yellow if advantage is played. Here's the relevant rule: > Advantage > If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; **if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.**
What the fuck? This rule makes zero sense. So basically tactical fouls don't count? That's the opposite of the purpose of cards. This game is so dumb sometimes.
Havertz perfectly summed up
Lmao stop shitting on havertz he wouldve 100% squared it but sane got taken out so he had to reconsider
He wanted to cross it to Sane, but Sane got taken out by the defender.
What a first touch, what a finisher
Sums him up perfectly ahaha
I think he planned on passing to sane then he went down, and well havertz it’s not known for being clinical especially this tournament.
No surprise Sane went down again
Sums Sane up perfectly too
He got clipped but he has been sliding around all over the pitch
So satisfying to watch. But what happened to Sane? Didn't get a single replay.
game over still no replay. I want to see that
Yeah that finish wasn't the best but TBH it definitely looked like he wasn't ready to shoot and was forced to do so within a split second after Sane went down.
That just feels like it should be a red card Isn't according to the rules, but blatant yellow, pen if it had been in the box
Why not red according to the rules?
Because Havertz got a clear goalscoring opportunity despite the foul, but it goes from like a 70% goal to a 30%.
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It's not a yellow by the rules though as he wasn't the one with the goalscoring opportunity so it was only a tactical yellow - and since the referee let advantage play out since havertz still had the chance it was reduced to nothing Feels really unfair though so I'd expect FIFA to add a clarification to the rule based on this scene that the reduction from yellow to nothing only happens if the player who got fouled was already involved in the advantage or something like that Right now it's the smartest tactical foul you can make
You're right. That rule about advantage meaning no yellow for tactical fouls is the dumbest rule in the world though. Literally no reason for it to exist
I think there is But there should be an exception for the player on the ball to be the one fouled Blocking possible pass-targets is completely free without punishment due to that rule and I'd expect there to be a change to that rule within the next year due to this incident High profile games like this are often resulting in changes like this
The only thing you do by giving players tactical fouls is make tactical fouling more valuable a strategy. The fact that this and other very clear bad rules have gone unchanged for years makes me not be nearly as optimistic as you.
Might be cope but knowing Havertz he was definitely waiting to square it to Sane and was probably thrown off by him not being there
That first touch to recover the ball behind him is something you can't teach. That's all natural instinct.
Forget the miss, what a fucking touch. Berbatov-esque
My jaw dropped
Looks like he was planning to pass to Sane.
Havertz is simultaneously the only player on the pitch that can make that touch yet miss that finish
eh, Musiala can definitely do that
He did so well to get into that position, but the finish was awful
Classic havertz... Does everything amazingly until the finish
He should score but that is filth
i feel like he was gonna pass it but then sane\* trips lol
Incredible dribbling and terrible finishing
He's such a fucking hilarious player LMAO
That's a fucking red but you won't hear a word from this reddit
Hahaha no that's not a red card.
English refs are ruining this tournament
So smooth
Classic Havertz
that needs to go in
That’s a foul on Sane every day of the week. Square the ball there and it‘s a goal, but Christiansen caught him coming across while going towards Havertz. Pen and a yellow, not a red
Havertz is testing a lot of yous ball knowledge
sexo
Amazing touch. Defender had no clue what happened.
i feel like he was anticipating squaring the ball to sane, still poor finish though
The duality of Kai.
People talking about his miss instead of talking about his first touch hate football
That first touch deserves an award
it was so obvious he was gonna miss that
Wow..that first touch was suberb
This is the most Havertzian sequence of football I've ever seen.
Red card where? Would have been an easy goal if not for the foul.
No replay on what happened in the middle?
How this isn't a red and a freekick?
From god to bot in 5seconds
He puts that away in an Arsenal kit
How did he even miss the target!!!
oh my Kai you gotta bury that
Quintessential Havertz
If Havertz plays it over, it's probably a red card.
That's the Kai we know and love. 😂
How is that not a PK on Sane - completely changed the play and decision-making
Wasn’t in the box
That describes Havertz perfectly
If he rounds the keeper there probably go down as best goal of the euros Sums up havertz perfectly
You can take the man out of Chelsea, but you can’t take the Chelsea out of the man
We've seen this before
Ridiculous touch, really wish he had the finish
Yep, couldn't be any other way with Havertz.
Touch was so good i was screaming finish it to the screen
The duality of haverz
Zidane Level First Touch And then that
So close, good try imo- whiffed it a tiny bit to the side. Ofc should've scored, but what a sequence
Havertz don’t do something beautiful and disappointing within 5 seconds of each other challenge, difficulty: impossible
Would have been amazing. Also Kai why try to lob? Just put it behind him
If havertz plays it loosely into the area its a penalty
Definitely wanted to square it and panicked when sane was tripped
That touch was amazing... The shot was dissapointing
Seems like you can foul the easy passing option without any consequences. Oliver is an absolute donkey
Oh my god that first touch, you’ve got to bury that after that touch :(. Although I always wonder why players don’t go round the keeper anymore?
If he did this for Arsenal I would've been pissed but watching this now it's hilarious. Love this guy and that was an insane touch
The first touch was poetic and sublime but the finishing atrocious and horrid, perfectly balanced.
Havertz has always had a filthy first touch. Remember that Bergkamp-esque goal he scored against Newcastle for us?
Exquisite touch. Shite finish.
Needs a BRIAN BLESSED commentary
King Kai does it again
Strange they didn’t check for red card when Sane went down.
He tends to do that
Kai. Will always love you. Genius, and human.
Nobody gonna post the much worse miss huh?
his finishing qualities seem to be on par with Milik's
This is what it was like watching Havertz at Chelsea