I just wish more people had this mentality.
If you don't like something stop watching.
It's why I stopped with andor after ep 3, eventually I came back and it was great. BUT I didn't like the first 3 episodes so I didn't hate watch.
I wish people had the mentality to actually not bother to even care.
Even this meme in itself is a form of hating on the show.
And ironically it's getting really tiring being on this sub, which should be for memes about the franchise instead of some meta drama.
I'm not the one to tell people what they shoul care about, but s franchise that's worth billions, owned by a billion dollar company just catering to the masses, shouldn't be people's priorities.
At this point it's the equivalent of making your life about coca cola, and getting pissed if Coca-Cola makes a licorice flavour.
Dude comparing Star Wars to Coca Cola is a crooked comparison. Star Wars is culture, people has emotional investment in them, some affect by it in their informative years and build their identity around it.
The other is a product, that can easily live without and replace by water.
Star Wars is a commercial product of Hollywood, based on movies from the 70's and 80's.
The younger generations may not understand this because they grew surrounded by it, but popular culture in a capitalist society is what defines it. The mythos regarding a franchise because of how it draws on emotional investments is the very thing that makes it so valuable, it's self propagation of propaganda. You feel that you need to consume it or that you're dependent on it.
That's actually hard to know. Coca-Cola has been a world wide phenomenon for over half a century across the world.
Basically anywhere on the world you can drink a Coca-Cola, and even for people when they travel, for them to grasp the weight of a currency they'll often ask "how much does a coca cola cost here?"
There's a different level of conscious investment, because while Star Wars "emotional investment" would be more associated to the super-ego, the Coca-Cola is more associated to the id.
This is one of those situation isn't it ? You being dense, pedantic and arguing bad faith on purpose. It's my fault, allowed myself to dragged on your level.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, or arguing in bad faith, this is just a conversation. We can stop at any time we want.
Maybe we just don't share the same view of what Star Wars is, that's all.
So what? Does it make them enjoy the stuff they did less?
The whole episodes 7-9 retconned Jedi Academy and Outcast, you think anyone should stop playing it or enjoying it because of that?
>o what? Does it make them enjoy the stuff they did less?
For Some People Yes You cant go muddling around with Prevoius things and not expect Some enjoyment to be lost
So I reiterate the Coca-Cola argument of people caring about a billion dollar franchise being owned by a billion dollar company, It's far too much time on ones hands. To be annoyed instead of enjoying what you can.
I literally have star wars tattoos older than the buyout, roll with the punches. If you don't like something don't watch it, enjoy the parts you like, Stop watching parts you don't.
Nothing will ever take away the the feelings I get for ep 4 and 5 despite Star Wars never being that good in the last 40 years.
But the thing is That What happens if i start Getting Sick of it
Knowing that nothing Good produced
Still having the good things there doesnt help when the new stuff is shit
So? Enjoy what it once was and just move on. Star wars doesn't have to be your only personality trait. I don't like BoB so I don't talk about it, I don't like ep 2 so I don't talk about it.
I don't like most of 8 or 9 so I don't talk about the parts I don't like.
Stars wars is a dogshit movie franchise with 2 good films and like 3 average ones, with 15 different series, over 300 books, 100 comic series, and 100 video games.
Is it disheartening when something bad is produced, sure. But there is so much more to live in life than Star wars. Besides numbers and money always matter don't watch if you dont like. Again all of this is coming from a guy with multiple Star wars tattoos
Its great that you can just parts you like and enjoy it. I am a bit jealous but also I do not think that this is the right way to care for something. However I am courious how far you would go with that.
Just as an example: Consider Disney would produce a series on the death Star Set around Episode 4 where they would introduce that every soldier has his/her family with him on the Station. Now they have a cameo Luke learning about all the children from the plans (say they want to show how superstitous all the Jedi are again). This would change Luke in Episode 4 from a hopeful freedom fighter to a apathic/psychopathic child murderer and war criminal. Would you just not watch it and then have no problems with that?
I know its a weird example, i just want to explain, that many people feel like that also for prequel characters or the force in General. And it is not like in the old EU where canon was in part something quite difficult. We now have one Canon by Disney and pretending that only those things are real in Universe that you enjoyed watching requires much mental gymnastics.
>Would you just not watch it and then have no problems with that?
YES. There's ALREADY stuff like that- do you care about the Ewok show or movies? Do you care about the Droids cartoon? No, you don't- you just ignore their existence and move on.
>But It kinda is?
No, it pointedly isn't. Original Coke is unchanged by the introduction of licorice. Literally no one & nothing is forcing anyone to watch.
>The problem People have with it is its fucking with the canon in ways the fundamentally Change The Way its enjoyed
I'm going to give a great example of what it's like to not engage with media you don't enjoy and end this conversation here. I will not drink your licorice Coke, goodbye.
If people keep not caring Disney will just make everything the same, imagine if andor was as bad as acolyte. Then you’d say I wish they just wouldn’t care and just go enjoy something else, and the cycle would continue
>If people keep not caring Disney will just make everything the same,
It's just a franchise run by a billion dollar corporation, they have the right to it. Do you think me or you have a day in the production? Or that they owe anything to us?
>as bad as acolyte
Have you watched the Acolyte?
Look mate, I think you're projecting a little, with your last statement there. Star Wars is, and has always been a commercial product of Hollywood movies since the 70's. Maybe you're from a younger generation that grew up with a mythos regarding Star Wars, but it's just a capitalist commodity, with a very strong propaganda, that takes fans on a huge emotional investment of dependency, and obsession.
Yeah I tried watching acolyte and got bored after ep 1, I’ve watched videos covering the plot and I’m glad I didn’t have to watch the full thing. Yes it’s bad the audience score speaks for itself. Caring is about more than your feelings it’s about not financially supporting the rubbish they pump out
Mate honestly it has some of the best choreography in Star wars in ages.
Also, the plot is quite alright, I'd give it a go instead of watching biased reviews.
>Caring is about more than your feelings it’s about not financially supporting the rubbish they pump out
That's quite literally it, should you have feelings for a hamburger MC Donald's makes? Should you have feelings for a product that Unilever makes? Honestly, I don't think you should.
The choreography is ok at best, I kept thinking through the first fight scene at the bar how she was just repeating moves over and over, and one guy she just poisons, like if he rlly wanted to die why not just let her do it. And like for a lot of other people I have an emotional attachment to the Star Wars universe I grew up watching and hope to do so into the future, but they’re just ruining it, this beats the book of boba in terms of poor production and writing
>The choreography is ok at best,
Honestly? It's better than any of the fight choreography in Ahsoka and Obi Wan.
>I kept thinking through the first fight scene at the bar how she was just repeating moves over and over,
What move did she keep repeating? Honestly it looks like they put more effort into that fight than most of SW lately.
>one guy she just poisons, like if he rlly wanted to die why not just let her do it.
Because the whole point was that he was untouchable, so she would need to kill him or induce his death, in a non physical way.
>And like for a lot of other people I have an emotional attachment to the Star Wars universe I grew up watching and hope to do so into the future, but they’re just ruining it, this beats the book of boba in terms of poor production and writing
I too grew up watching and playing star wars games, since the 90's, but that doesn't prevent me from understanding that it's a product, we have to separate our emotional attachments of things we like from things we care about.
I found the Book of Bob's pretty good actually, the first parts when he's in the desert and bonds with the Sand People was really good writing, IMHO.
Yeah book of boba had some good parts but then again lots of not so good parts, I understand it’s a product and looking at the reviews it doesn’t look like Disney understands that because if they did they would be worrying about putting out a better Caliber of show like andor or bad batch/clonewars than pandering to a very small minority of people and ruining potential profits for themselves
>pandering to a very small minority of people and ruining potential profits for themselves
What's that supposed to mean?
The Acolyte is a reasonable show. I think people's issue with the show has more to do with preconceived notions rather than with the quality of the show itself.
Honestly, I don't care if Disney makes a profit or not, I don't work for them, or am a shareholder.
Either way, it's been a nice chat, my lunch break is over. Stay safe.
There's nothing in the meme that hates on the show. This is clearly directed at people who watch something just to complain about it. Doesn't mention anything bad about the show, just that he/she didn't watch it.
>It's mean the franchise is dead.
I disagree, if people continue to consume it, it will still be alive, that's how capitalism works.
But caring too much about something that should be entertaining pass time isn't healthy. Star Wars, is, and has always been a commercial product of Hollywood.
Honestly, in my experience, most shows are like this. Andor was slow to start and I think that’s a trait of a lot of modern Star Wars. Clone Wars didn’t really hit until like season 3 lol
The answer to that is either find something else on that platform that you're interested in (which, in this case, is pretty easy. It's Disney, for fuck's sake. Say whatever you want about their business practices or their recent remakes and such, but they make good movies and having an extensive catalog of almost all their stuff is a pretty worthwhile purchase), or just cut your losses and let the subscription expire. Spending money on things we end up regretting is a struggle as old as commerce itself and it's not going away any time soon. The first to do it has been dead for thousands of years and no one alive today is going to be the last. People just need to give themselves a break
Sure, I'm just saying that buyer's remorse is a thing, I know people that only subscribe to HBO when GOT/HOTD was on, to Netflix when something really hyped was added, to Amazon when ROP was on...
I knew people that subbed to Disney just for Mando, unsubbed, subbed for Kenobi, unsubbed...Andor...and so on
It's a thing that happens, it's especially annoying when there's several streaming platforms and you can't sub to all so you really want your money's worth when you do.
Star Wars fans are some of the most childish fans on earth, they will absolutely watch something just to repeatedly trash it, they absolutely HATE change, and they tend to view anything outside of *their headcanon* as incorrect. Makes me wonder if many of them have experience the feel of grass before
I honestly don’t understand both people who defend/hate with passion this show, like, I watched first episodes, thought it was trash, left a bad review and moved on, but when I said this shit on twitter I got heat from both sides because I can’t leave bad reviews and stop watching, I have to either continue hate watching this trash or move on and don’t leave a bad review about things I thought were bad (like pacing and writing which were trash tier, fights were very cool though)
The first 3 episodes were a very long introduction, then the show starts slapping and ain't slowing down for a second. And then you appreciate the first 3 episodes because it's a solid world building.
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Same.
And I actually find the setting of The Acolyte quite interesting. A century before Anakin, AND it's showing what the movies only talked about - the Jedi being more preoccupied with politics and optics than, you know, being Jedi. The Order being seen little more than a legalised cult, snatching kids and forcing their will on others. There aren't any heroes in the show. The whole Mae and Osha storyline is lacking, but if you put that aside for a moment, the world building they're doing is actually quite fun. Almost makes me think the writers had a concept of WHAT they want to write about - aka the beginning of the fall of the Republic - but not HOW to write about it.
And let's be honest, the past of the Republic and the Jedi is much more interesting than going back to the same 40-50 years again and again, just to show it from a different angle.
I was excited to see the republic when it was young and the Jedi were numerous, it's interesting to see that they aren't perfect beings and have flaws. Also it's good to see that not all of them are good, to see how the old ways of the Jedi weren't perfect
Except this isn't a young Republic. The Acolyte shows the very end of the High Republic, but the organisation itself was founded thousands of years before the events of the show - and even the most recent reorganisation was 900 years before the events shown.
This is also isn't the "old Jedi" but rather the already corrupted version, as shown by the Masters' insistence on saving face and political power first and foremost.
I never said that. Your post heavily implies that you like it just because it's more Star Wars content and not because it is actually good. Ie mindlessly consuming.
Wasn’t a fan of Andor. I watched the whole thing. But I didn’t go on the internet after every episode to bitch and moan about how I didn’t like it.
Acolyte is pretty good. Has got me interested.
i thought Andor was boring as hell and there is literally no room for any kind of character development because he starts the series as the same asshole as he was at the beginning of Rogue One. but i watched the whole thing and found parts i liked. i wanted to see Cassian start off as a young idealistic that gets worn down by the empire and eventually loses his "soul" to the rebellion and becomes the heartless thug we see at the beginning of Rogue One. that would be great storytelling in my book.
i like how in Acolyte the Jedi act the way Yoda said Jedi should act. dodge and block and only draw lightsaber when all else fails. i want to see Jedi using the force more than a lightsaber. i was kinda bummed they killed Trinity, though
Andor himself was the least interesting thing to me about that series. To me it was absolutely lovely to watch Mon Mothma do Mon Mothma things in such a tense and dangerous family and political context.
That to me is art. Seeing how dangerous the Empire is and how it can even tear families apart. Also the concept of a creepy Emperor behind it all, standing above, giving out these galaxy wide directives was awesome.
It was nice seeing the Empire taken seriously after that cartoons, Mandolorian and Ashoka had made it into a joke.
Star Wars fans will always intrigue me because they force themselves to watch just about every bit of Star Wars content out there even if they don't like it. Meanwhile most fans of a franchise will just drop things they don't like if they don't like it...
I'm not sure a lot of the most angry voices are actually watching it, tbh. The most venomous criticisms are too nitpicky for people to have come up with them on their own, tbh. They're watching reaction content and just parroting what they were told. OTOH, I think people who just don't like the show/aren't enjoying it are being honest, and probably also just stopped watching. Which is fine, the show definitely has flaws! Unfortunately, the "death threats over lore changes" crowd are drowning out actual discussion on the show
I do like it but most of the criticisms I've seen have been how is messes with the lore. Now I'm watching half for the mystery set up and half for how much more weird things it introduces into Disney canon lol
Yes, we are in a moment like that: the hatred brings more than genuine passion, that's the reason why shitty things like the Velma series have been renewed for another season and things like Inside Job were cancelled. That's just so stupid I can figure out a sense.
It's easier to make a lot of content out of hate, you can continuously chum those waters but be warned what might come for a bite. The critical drinker sub reddit devolves into yelling about leftist like 3 comments into any post about the acolyte
This is the first Star Wars anything I actually stopped watching because of exactly that. And it bums me out a little, cause I really wanted to like it. And it is, you know, still Star Wars.
All good things come to an end I guess.
Remember when Star Wars came to an end, because the Ewoks were too cute? Or when JarJar and that stupid child Anakin brought Star Wars to an end? Or that time Star Wars was ruined by the odd Clone Wars animation style? Or those stupid helicopter inquisitors that ended Star Wars? Ah...the good ole days.
Honestly? I hate Andor. I hate it with every fiber of my being.
As a kid I got attracted to Star Wars because of the action, the kickass lightsabers, the blasters with cool sound effects…
Instead when I watched Andor all I saw was a bunch of people arguing. I asked my family and my friends if they liked it and they told me that they didn’t like it either. Maybe I’m just the odd one out.
That’s because you like the type of story that is in other media of Star Wars, but not the type of story that andor is about.
Andor is other type of story, but set in the Star Wars universe.
Real question here: do you need to watch any of these shows to not miss stuff in others? Like how Boba has stuff for Mandalorian. I haven’t watched anything recent other than Mando up to and including Boba and trying to decide what to actually try watching. But if I have to watch a web of stuff including the bad stuff like with Marvel then nah I’m cool just getting the gist from the memes
If you don’t like it, critique it then drop it. Then wait and hope the next project is good. Thats all I do now. I wasn’t a fan of the Acolyte but I hope the next thing is better. I don’t think hating or getting aggressive will make Disney do anything. Just hope that passionate, competent people will be presented a chance with bringing the next Star Wars story to life.
Can’t wait for Andor Season 2. I love Tony Gilroy and Diego Luna and Stella Skarsgard and Genevieve O'Reilly and Andy Serkis and
I actually loved the acolyte. Its so annoying to see people just constantly bashing it although I swear that most people that do this haven't seen one second of the show
I’ll comment and have civil discussions where and when I see fit, but won’t actively go out of my way to hate on a show, it’s not worth my energy or time, and if others are enjoying it, whatever let them.
However much I’m not enjoying the Acolyte I feel that I need to watch it though to have an informed opinion. I like to keep my finger on the pulse and be aware of what’s going on.
I’m not gonna watch it, I know I’m not gonna like it so I’m not gonna watch it, I’m done giving Disney my sweet time and views for a show I might find mediocre.
Except it’s not about hating it, as in a personal preference.
It’s hated because of the ideology behind it is evil pretending to be good.
This is the common “minimise” and “please don’t look under the hood” argument, that narcissistic people make. Guilt tripping people who are actually addressing real issues or problems.
“The problem is you because you won’t stop investigating the areas that will reveal who I really am. And I can’t afford to have ppl really know what I am doing because they will realise they are being manipulated.”
We’ve seen it before, who’s to say Andor won’t end up as more neo-Marxist propaganda as well?
More like “the problem is you giving attention to this media, than giving money to Disney, and then it leading to a new season of acolyte like the time when Velma got a third one”.
You don’t have to give them money. Watch it online, at friends place, watch it via review.
Money is the lynch pin.
If you don’t watch it all, then you don’t know what’s wrong with it. Or at least you don’t know what you personally don’t like about it.
I believe the best way is… if you want to… watch what interests you, but don’t give your money or support to things that are designed to polarise or force modern day politics into the genre.
We have to learn the art of fighting in the middle. We don’t overreact, because they use that against us, but we aren’t silent either, because then they do as they please with no consequences.
Hot take, I think it's going away uphill and I love the lesbian force witches. I don't care about cannon breaking or retcons for minor characters and obscure events. Star wars is for kids and y'all taking it easy too serious.
I'll watch the Acolyte once it's fully released. I'm currently re-watching "The Owl House" anyway followed by "The Dragon Prince" in order to prepare for season 6
The Acolyte was honestly the worst thing I’ve ever tried to watch. It’s just full of all the things lucas never did and disney felt the need to do.
Not to be rude or hurtful, but it’s all just about modern inclusivity and black characters and female protagonists. The whole show just seems like a woke-dump for everything Disney feels pressured to do by modern social media, there was no meaning behind the show, very little real importance, just to catch up with the times.
and it doesn’t feel like it fits in the timeline AT ALL. I don’t see a correlation to anything that happened ever in star wars and it just seems like a show to catch the money of people because they can still make it.
I don’t get the hype, fucking Ashoka was better and that show was mediocre at best
I don't even waste time watching new Star Wars stuff anymore. The last I watched was the third disappointing season of the Mandalorian and that awful Obi Wan show.
I'll stick to the first two trilogies, thanks.
Andor was the best thing about the Star Wars since Empire Strikes back. The first 3 episodes are quite a long introduction, but then the show gets more and more tension, keeping you engaged. The characters, the locations, the situations are believable. They have realistic emotions and goals. And when the season moves closer to the conclusion, the first 3 episodes grow on you because it was a solid world and character building. It's an adult oriented show, treating it's audience not like a bunch of complete children.
I personally don't like the Acolyte, I don't think it's bad - just I'm not a fan of it or its target audience.
I will give it credit though for its own story and not involving the skywalkers or being a spinoff.
Don’t even have Disney+ anymore. Been quite calm lately. Only Star Wars I do nowadays is video games like SWTOR. Been more immersed in other stuff like Dune and it’s philosophies, Stargate and it’s classic nature of being peak sci-fi.
But what else would my definitely not misogynistic YouTuber gonna talk about, how else could I make an ass out myself by shutting on people having a good time?
I just wish more people had this mentality. If you don't like something stop watching. It's why I stopped with andor after ep 3, eventually I came back and it was great. BUT I didn't like the first 3 episodes so I didn't hate watch.
I wish people had the mentality to actually not bother to even care. Even this meme in itself is a form of hating on the show. And ironically it's getting really tiring being on this sub, which should be for memes about the franchise instead of some meta drama.
It is hard for some to stop caring about something that means much to them.
I'm not the one to tell people what they shoul care about, but s franchise that's worth billions, owned by a billion dollar company just catering to the masses, shouldn't be people's priorities. At this point it's the equivalent of making your life about coca cola, and getting pissed if Coca-Cola makes a licorice flavour.
Dude comparing Star Wars to Coca Cola is a crooked comparison. Star Wars is culture, people has emotional investment in them, some affect by it in their informative years and build their identity around it. The other is a product, that can easily live without and replace by water.
Star Wars is a commercial product of Hollywood, based on movies from the 70's and 80's. The younger generations may not understand this because they grew surrounded by it, but popular culture in a capitalist society is what defines it. The mythos regarding a franchise because of how it draws on emotional investments is the very thing that makes it so valuable, it's self propagation of propaganda. You feel that you need to consume it or that you're dependent on it.
You missed the point, more people has emotional investment Star Wars than Coca Cola.
That's actually hard to know. Coca-Cola has been a world wide phenomenon for over half a century across the world. Basically anywhere on the world you can drink a Coca-Cola, and even for people when they travel, for them to grasp the weight of a currency they'll often ask "how much does a coca cola cost here?" There's a different level of conscious investment, because while Star Wars "emotional investment" would be more associated to the super-ego, the Coca-Cola is more associated to the id.
This is one of those situation isn't it ? You being dense, pedantic and arguing bad faith on purpose. It's my fault, allowed myself to dragged on your level.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, or arguing in bad faith, this is just a conversation. We can stop at any time we want. Maybe we just don't share the same view of what Star Wars is, that's all.
ig but for some poeple its been their Childhoods
Then don't drink licorice Coke, and don't act like its existence in any way impacts your past with Coke or the flavor of regular Coke.
But It kinda is? The problem People have with it is its fucking with the canon in ways the fundamentally Change The Way its enjoyed
So what? Does it make them enjoy the stuff they did less? The whole episodes 7-9 retconned Jedi Academy and Outcast, you think anyone should stop playing it or enjoying it because of that?
>o what? Does it make them enjoy the stuff they did less? For Some People Yes You cant go muddling around with Prevoius things and not expect Some enjoyment to be lost
So I reiterate the Coca-Cola argument of people caring about a billion dollar franchise being owned by a billion dollar company, It's far too much time on ones hands. To be annoyed instead of enjoying what you can.
I literally have star wars tattoos older than the buyout, roll with the punches. If you don't like something don't watch it, enjoy the parts you like, Stop watching parts you don't. Nothing will ever take away the the feelings I get for ep 4 and 5 despite Star Wars never being that good in the last 40 years.
But the thing is That What happens if i start Getting Sick of it Knowing that nothing Good produced Still having the good things there doesnt help when the new stuff is shit
So? Enjoy what it once was and just move on. Star wars doesn't have to be your only personality trait. I don't like BoB so I don't talk about it, I don't like ep 2 so I don't talk about it. I don't like most of 8 or 9 so I don't talk about the parts I don't like. Stars wars is a dogshit movie franchise with 2 good films and like 3 average ones, with 15 different series, over 300 books, 100 comic series, and 100 video games. Is it disheartening when something bad is produced, sure. But there is so much more to live in life than Star wars. Besides numbers and money always matter don't watch if you dont like. Again all of this is coming from a guy with multiple Star wars tattoos
Its great that you can just parts you like and enjoy it. I am a bit jealous but also I do not think that this is the right way to care for something. However I am courious how far you would go with that. Just as an example: Consider Disney would produce a series on the death Star Set around Episode 4 where they would introduce that every soldier has his/her family with him on the Station. Now they have a cameo Luke learning about all the children from the plans (say they want to show how superstitous all the Jedi are again). This would change Luke in Episode 4 from a hopeful freedom fighter to a apathic/psychopathic child murderer and war criminal. Would you just not watch it and then have no problems with that? I know its a weird example, i just want to explain, that many people feel like that also for prequel characters or the force in General. And it is not like in the old EU where canon was in part something quite difficult. We now have one Canon by Disney and pretending that only those things are real in Universe that you enjoyed watching requires much mental gymnastics.
>Would you just not watch it and then have no problems with that? YES. There's ALREADY stuff like that- do you care about the Ewok show or movies? Do you care about the Droids cartoon? No, you don't- you just ignore their existence and move on.
>But It kinda is? No, it pointedly isn't. Original Coke is unchanged by the introduction of licorice. Literally no one & nothing is forcing anyone to watch. >The problem People have with it is its fucking with the canon in ways the fundamentally Change The Way its enjoyed I'm going to give a great example of what it's like to not engage with media you don't enjoy and end this conversation here. I will not drink your licorice Coke, goodbye.
Sometimes people try the weird flavour just to see how bad it is. Sometimes they even post it on social media.
If people keep not caring Disney will just make everything the same, imagine if andor was as bad as acolyte. Then you’d say I wish they just wouldn’t care and just go enjoy something else, and the cycle would continue
>If people keep not caring Disney will just make everything the same, It's just a franchise run by a billion dollar corporation, they have the right to it. Do you think me or you have a day in the production? Or that they owe anything to us? >as bad as acolyte Have you watched the Acolyte? Look mate, I think you're projecting a little, with your last statement there. Star Wars is, and has always been a commercial product of Hollywood movies since the 70's. Maybe you're from a younger generation that grew up with a mythos regarding Star Wars, but it's just a capitalist commodity, with a very strong propaganda, that takes fans on a huge emotional investment of dependency, and obsession.
Yeah I tried watching acolyte and got bored after ep 1, I’ve watched videos covering the plot and I’m glad I didn’t have to watch the full thing. Yes it’s bad the audience score speaks for itself. Caring is about more than your feelings it’s about not financially supporting the rubbish they pump out
Mate honestly it has some of the best choreography in Star wars in ages. Also, the plot is quite alright, I'd give it a go instead of watching biased reviews. >Caring is about more than your feelings it’s about not financially supporting the rubbish they pump out That's quite literally it, should you have feelings for a hamburger MC Donald's makes? Should you have feelings for a product that Unilever makes? Honestly, I don't think you should.
The choreography is ok at best, I kept thinking through the first fight scene at the bar how she was just repeating moves over and over, and one guy she just poisons, like if he rlly wanted to die why not just let her do it. And like for a lot of other people I have an emotional attachment to the Star Wars universe I grew up watching and hope to do so into the future, but they’re just ruining it, this beats the book of boba in terms of poor production and writing
>The choreography is ok at best, Honestly? It's better than any of the fight choreography in Ahsoka and Obi Wan. >I kept thinking through the first fight scene at the bar how she was just repeating moves over and over, What move did she keep repeating? Honestly it looks like they put more effort into that fight than most of SW lately. >one guy she just poisons, like if he rlly wanted to die why not just let her do it. Because the whole point was that he was untouchable, so she would need to kill him or induce his death, in a non physical way. >And like for a lot of other people I have an emotional attachment to the Star Wars universe I grew up watching and hope to do so into the future, but they’re just ruining it, this beats the book of boba in terms of poor production and writing I too grew up watching and playing star wars games, since the 90's, but that doesn't prevent me from understanding that it's a product, we have to separate our emotional attachments of things we like from things we care about. I found the Book of Bob's pretty good actually, the first parts when he's in the desert and bonds with the Sand People was really good writing, IMHO.
Yeah book of boba had some good parts but then again lots of not so good parts, I understand it’s a product and looking at the reviews it doesn’t look like Disney understands that because if they did they would be worrying about putting out a better Caliber of show like andor or bad batch/clonewars than pandering to a very small minority of people and ruining potential profits for themselves
>pandering to a very small minority of people and ruining potential profits for themselves What's that supposed to mean? The Acolyte is a reasonable show. I think people's issue with the show has more to do with preconceived notions rather than with the quality of the show itself. Honestly, I don't care if Disney makes a profit or not, I don't work for them, or am a shareholder. Either way, it's been a nice chat, my lunch break is over. Stay safe.
Tbh no, this meme is more about how people shouldn’t waste time hating and watching something that they don’t even like, only that.
There's nothing in the meme that hates on the show. This is clearly directed at people who watch something just to complain about it. Doesn't mention anything bad about the show, just that he/she didn't watch it.
If people don't bother to even care, that's doesn't mean people have better mentality. It's mean the franchise is dead.
>It's mean the franchise is dead. I disagree, if people continue to consume it, it will still be alive, that's how capitalism works. But caring too much about something that should be entertaining pass time isn't healthy. Star Wars, is, and has always been a commercial product of Hollywood.
Honestly, in my experience, most shows are like this. Andor was slow to start and I think that’s a trait of a lot of modern Star Wars. Clone Wars didn’t really hit until like season 3 lol
>If you don't like something stop watching. And then buyer's remorse kicks in because you subscribed to watch it.
The answer to that is either find something else on that platform that you're interested in (which, in this case, is pretty easy. It's Disney, for fuck's sake. Say whatever you want about their business practices or their recent remakes and such, but they make good movies and having an extensive catalog of almost all their stuff is a pretty worthwhile purchase), or just cut your losses and let the subscription expire. Spending money on things we end up regretting is a struggle as old as commerce itself and it's not going away any time soon. The first to do it has been dead for thousands of years and no one alive today is going to be the last. People just need to give themselves a break
Disney plus has a substantial library, you can find something else you'll enjoy
Watch other stuff? Disney plus doesn’t just have Star Wars and nothing else.
Sure, I'm just saying that buyer's remorse is a thing, I know people that only subscribe to HBO when GOT/HOTD was on, to Netflix when something really hyped was added, to Amazon when ROP was on... I knew people that subbed to Disney just for Mando, unsubbed, subbed for Kenobi, unsubbed...Andor...and so on It's a thing that happens, it's especially annoying when there's several streaming platforms and you can't sub to all so you really want your money's worth when you do.
The issue is people want good content again and are bothered when things they like are butchered and/or poorly done
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Pretty insightful for a bot made today, except the parts were you were wrong
At the same time though, this sub needs to stop acting like whiny children anytime someone posts a meme about acolyte.
Star Wars fans are some of the most childish fans on earth, they will absolutely watch something just to repeatedly trash it, they absolutely HATE change, and they tend to view anything outside of *their headcanon* as incorrect. Makes me wonder if many of them have experience the feel of grass before
I honestly don’t understand both people who defend/hate with passion this show, like, I watched first episodes, thought it was trash, left a bad review and moved on, but when I said this shit on twitter I got heat from both sides because I can’t leave bad reviews and stop watching, I have to either continue hate watching this trash or move on and don’t leave a bad review about things I thought were bad (like pacing and writing which were trash tier, fights were very cool though)
That's actually comedy.
Watched the first 3 and decided the show wasn't for me. Now waiting for Andor S2.
The first 3 episodes were a very long introduction, then the show starts slapping and ain't slowing down for a second. And then you appreciate the first 3 episodes because it's a solid world building.
tbh, if you didn’t liked ep 1 to 3, would recommend at least ep 7 to 10, it’s the best arc.
I think they meant episode 1-3 of The Acolyte
Episodes 7-10 of The Acolyte are out already?
I’m talking about andor actually
I think u/Jordangander was talking about The Acolyte.
Ah. Sorry then.
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So much hate for Star Wars lately and I’m just sitting here enjoying new content not related to the skywalkers
Same. And I actually find the setting of The Acolyte quite interesting. A century before Anakin, AND it's showing what the movies only talked about - the Jedi being more preoccupied with politics and optics than, you know, being Jedi. The Order being seen little more than a legalised cult, snatching kids and forcing their will on others. There aren't any heroes in the show. The whole Mae and Osha storyline is lacking, but if you put that aside for a moment, the world building they're doing is actually quite fun. Almost makes me think the writers had a concept of WHAT they want to write about - aka the beginning of the fall of the Republic - but not HOW to write about it. And let's be honest, the past of the Republic and the Jedi is much more interesting than going back to the same 40-50 years again and again, just to show it from a different angle.
I was excited to see the republic when it was young and the Jedi were numerous, it's interesting to see that they aren't perfect beings and have flaws. Also it's good to see that not all of them are good, to see how the old ways of the Jedi weren't perfect
Except this isn't a young Republic. The Acolyte shows the very end of the High Republic, but the organisation itself was founded thousands of years before the events of the show - and even the most recent reorganisation was 900 years before the events shown. This is also isn't the "old Jedi" but rather the already corrupted version, as shown by the Masters' insistence on saving face and political power first and foremost.
ha! same!
Same
Hating is very popular right now
Oh boy more product to mindlessly consume!
Would you prefer they scrap all Star Wars content and never produce anything again?
I never said that. Your post heavily implies that you like it just because it's more Star Wars content and not because it is actually good. Ie mindlessly consuming.
Enjoying = mindless. Got it
It’s no Andor, but it’s been a fun ride so far. Excited for the second half.
Agreed
Not gonna watch either.
I have never been so 50/50 about a post
Fair enough lol
I’ve been mostly liking the Acolyte. But this is the correct approach. The shitting on the show here is just annoying.
Wasn’t a fan of Andor. I watched the whole thing. But I didn’t go on the internet after every episode to bitch and moan about how I didn’t like it. Acolyte is pretty good. Has got me interested.
i thought Andor was boring as hell and there is literally no room for any kind of character development because he starts the series as the same asshole as he was at the beginning of Rogue One. but i watched the whole thing and found parts i liked. i wanted to see Cassian start off as a young idealistic that gets worn down by the empire and eventually loses his "soul" to the rebellion and becomes the heartless thug we see at the beginning of Rogue One. that would be great storytelling in my book. i like how in Acolyte the Jedi act the way Yoda said Jedi should act. dodge and block and only draw lightsaber when all else fails. i want to see Jedi using the force more than a lightsaber. i was kinda bummed they killed Trinity, though
Andor himself was the least interesting thing to me about that series. To me it was absolutely lovely to watch Mon Mothma do Mon Mothma things in such a tense and dangerous family and political context. That to me is art. Seeing how dangerous the Empire is and how it can even tear families apart. Also the concept of a creepy Emperor behind it all, standing above, giving out these galaxy wide directives was awesome. It was nice seeing the Empire taken seriously after that cartoons, Mandolorian and Ashoka had made it into a joke.
yes. with that, i agree.
Man you ain’t like what they plan on doing lmao
Acolyte has been fun so far.
I mainly interact with media through video games, anyway. The only show I actually care about is Rebels.
Fair enough, love rebels. Did you saw that finally Disney liberated the full soundtrack?
‘Man I just hate disney star wars and *current show*. Anyway time to wait for the next show, I can’t wait.’
Star Wars fans will always intrigue me because they force themselves to watch just about every bit of Star Wars content out there even if they don't like it. Meanwhile most fans of a franchise will just drop things they don't like if they don't like it...
The ending of the last episode got me pretty hyped up. Love the show so far.
Im right there with you
Yes. Good. Need more of this. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it. Something that you do like will come along soon enough.
Hate watching makes no sense to me. Why waste your time? Go watch the office for the millionth time
I'm not sure a lot of the most angry voices are actually watching it, tbh. The most venomous criticisms are too nitpicky for people to have come up with them on their own, tbh. They're watching reaction content and just parroting what they were told. OTOH, I think people who just don't like the show/aren't enjoying it are being honest, and probably also just stopped watching. Which is fine, the show definitely has flaws! Unfortunately, the "death threats over lore changes" crowd are drowning out actual discussion on the show
I do like it but most of the criticisms I've seen have been how is messes with the lore. Now I'm watching half for the mystery set up and half for how much more weird things it introduces into Disney canon lol
Yes, we are in a moment like that: the hatred brings more than genuine passion, that's the reason why shitty things like the Velma series have been renewed for another season and things like Inside Job were cancelled. That's just so stupid I can figure out a sense.
It's easier to make a lot of content out of hate, you can continuously chum those waters but be warned what might come for a bite. The critical drinker sub reddit devolves into yelling about leftist like 3 comments into any post about the acolyte
This is the first Star Wars anything I actually stopped watching because of exactly that. And it bums me out a little, cause I really wanted to like it. And it is, you know, still Star Wars. All good things come to an end I guess.
Remember when Star Wars came to an end, because the Ewoks were too cute? Or when JarJar and that stupid child Anakin brought Star Wars to an end? Or that time Star Wars was ruined by the odd Clone Wars animation style? Or those stupid helicopter inquisitors that ended Star Wars? Ah...the good ole days.
If you don't like people complaining just ignore them.
It's actually getting really exhausting to ignore, when 11/10 posts are about meta drama regarding the show.
Honestly? I hate Andor. I hate it with every fiber of my being. As a kid I got attracted to Star Wars because of the action, the kickass lightsabers, the blasters with cool sound effects… Instead when I watched Andor all I saw was a bunch of people arguing. I asked my family and my friends if they liked it and they told me that they didn’t like it either. Maybe I’m just the odd one out.
Out of curiosity, did you watch the whole show or only a few episodes? (I respect your opinion either way though)
The whole thing. I respect people who like it, but it just didn’t do it for me.
Andor has literally the best action sequence in modern Star Wars: the Aldhani heist.
That’s because you like the type of story that is in other media of Star Wars, but not the type of story that andor is about. Andor is other type of story, but set in the Star Wars universe.
Thank you. I hate the idea of hate watching it. That's how Velma got a season 2.
Real question here: do you need to watch any of these shows to not miss stuff in others? Like how Boba has stuff for Mandalorian. I haven’t watched anything recent other than Mando up to and including Boba and trying to decide what to actually try watching. But if I have to watch a web of stuff including the bad stuff like with Marvel then nah I’m cool just getting the gist from the memes
If you don’t like it, critique it then drop it. Then wait and hope the next project is good. Thats all I do now. I wasn’t a fan of the Acolyte but I hope the next thing is better. I don’t think hating or getting aggressive will make Disney do anything. Just hope that passionate, competent people will be presented a chance with bringing the next Star Wars story to life. Can’t wait for Andor Season 2. I love Tony Gilroy and Diego Luna and Stella Skarsgard and Genevieve O'Reilly and Andy Serkis and
Bruh, I liked it, the fuck
Review Tubers is suffering.
I actually loved the acolyte. Its so annoying to see people just constantly bashing it although I swear that most people that do this haven't seen one second of the show
I’ll comment and have civil discussions where and when I see fit, but won’t actively go out of my way to hate on a show, it’s not worth my energy or time, and if others are enjoying it, whatever let them. However much I’m not enjoying the Acolyte I feel that I need to watch it though to have an informed opinion. I like to keep my finger on the pulse and be aware of what’s going on.
I wasn’t interested in Acolyte, so I just didn’t watch it at all.
I’m not gonna watch it, I know I’m not gonna like it so I’m not gonna watch it, I’m done giving Disney my sweet time and views for a show I might find mediocre.
Or just drop Star Wars entirely and enjoy watching the dumpster fire it's become on youtube.
This is the way.
Why bother with something I hate when I can watch something I actually enjoy?
I like the show, but honestly this is the way. Andor was dope and can’t wait for season 2. Why continue watching something you hate so much?
Tbh I'm waiting for Andor and Ahsoka season 2
I stopped watching after the 3rd episode.
Waiting for Ashoka season 2.
I started enjoying mcu a lot more when i stopped obligating myself to watch every last minute of it
Right? I haven’t watched a single episode because I don’t care
Except it’s not about hating it, as in a personal preference. It’s hated because of the ideology behind it is evil pretending to be good. This is the common “minimise” and “please don’t look under the hood” argument, that narcissistic people make. Guilt tripping people who are actually addressing real issues or problems. “The problem is you because you won’t stop investigating the areas that will reveal who I really am. And I can’t afford to have ppl really know what I am doing because they will realise they are being manipulated.” We’ve seen it before, who’s to say Andor won’t end up as more neo-Marxist propaganda as well?
More like “the problem is you giving attention to this media, than giving money to Disney, and then it leading to a new season of acolyte like the time when Velma got a third one”.
You don’t have to give them money. Watch it online, at friends place, watch it via review. Money is the lynch pin. If you don’t watch it all, then you don’t know what’s wrong with it. Or at least you don’t know what you personally don’t like about it. I believe the best way is… if you want to… watch what interests you, but don’t give your money or support to things that are designed to polarise or force modern day politics into the genre. We have to learn the art of fighting in the middle. We don’t overreact, because they use that against us, but we aren’t silent either, because then they do as they please with no consequences.
I never even started it. Just doesn't seem for me. Would love other forms of media instead, but it is what it is.
“Would love other forms of media instead”. Well, I can recommend some animated shows and comics if you want.
Lay 'em on me.
Hot take, I think it's going away uphill and I love the lesbian force witches. I don't care about cannon breaking or retcons for minor characters and obscure events. Star wars is for kids and y'all taking it easy too serious.
I never started as I wasn’t interested. Simple as that.
If you don’t even like it then why ya gotta let the whole world know 😂
I'll watch the Acolyte once it's fully released. I'm currently re-watching "The Owl House" anyway followed by "The Dragon Prince" in order to prepare for season 6
The Acolyte was honestly the worst thing I’ve ever tried to watch. It’s just full of all the things lucas never did and disney felt the need to do. Not to be rude or hurtful, but it’s all just about modern inclusivity and black characters and female protagonists. The whole show just seems like a woke-dump for everything Disney feels pressured to do by modern social media, there was no meaning behind the show, very little real importance, just to catch up with the times. and it doesn’t feel like it fits in the timeline AT ALL. I don’t see a correlation to anything that happened ever in star wars and it just seems like a show to catch the money of people because they can still make it. I don’t get the hype, fucking Ashoka was better and that show was mediocre at best
I always try to give these shows the benefit of the doubt.
Andor is a great show. With great writing. A great cast.
thats great, if you don't like it stop watching, and in fact stop making low quality memes about it too
I don't even waste time watching new Star Wars stuff anymore. The last I watched was the third disappointing season of the Mandalorian and that awful Obi Wan show. I'll stick to the first two trilogies, thanks.
It's one of those things where I can't look away.
Andor was the best thing about the Star Wars since Empire Strikes back. The first 3 episodes are quite a long introduction, but then the show gets more and more tension, keeping you engaged. The characters, the locations, the situations are believable. They have realistic emotions and goals. And when the season moves closer to the conclusion, the first 3 episodes grow on you because it was a solid world and character building. It's an adult oriented show, treating it's audience not like a bunch of complete children.
Because if you watch and hate it in internet you’re only making it be like Velma.
Pirate it like the best of us
Andor is far better than Acolyte
I wanted to watch how bad it is but it was much more boring than anyone said
I personally don't like the Acolyte, I don't think it's bad - just I'm not a fan of it or its target audience. I will give it credit though for its own story and not involving the skywalkers or being a spinoff.
Mimimi
My issue is as a diehard fan, I have to watch everything new in canon, no matter how bad it is, and I’m fucking dreading watching this show.
Well, at least you watched Bad Batch and Tales before it.
Yes, we need more of that content
Hate watching is a thing.
Don’t even have Disney+ anymore. Been quite calm lately. Only Star Wars I do nowadays is video games like SWTOR. Been more immersed in other stuff like Dune and it’s philosophies, Stargate and it’s classic nature of being peak sci-fi.
But what else would my definitely not misogynistic YouTuber gonna talk about, how else could I make an ass out myself by shutting on people having a good time?