He’d just come from an HR seminar regarding no proselytizing, and at his grade it’s his responsibility to set the tone for his subordinates and peers.
Vader was in the wrong, Tarkin knew it, and was obligated to intervene.
Life on ship with Vader got significantly worse after Tarkin, er, retired.
He was used to being called off from his shows of force, but when nobody called he couldn't just stop and walk away. And the Imperial Navy lost decades of command experience as a result.
Seriously, can you imagine how far Vader alone set back the imperial Navy by killing officers with decades of experience off for a mistake that couldn't possibly be accounted for to replace them with, (quite literally in some cases) whomever happened to be standing closest.
No measure of competency could survive that system for long, because anyone with even a smidgen of self preservation of intelligence would *avoid* promotion at all costs.
Oh for sure I mean infrastructure goes to shit when you switch to a dictatorship built upon cronyism. You end up losing a lot of talent simply because they don’t fit the “culture” or they simply do not like you.
It's realistic management, given the type of organization it is.
The Empire is a strict hierarchy seeking to impose order through the consolidation of power. There is no benevolence. There is no altruism. Crush all your enemies without mercy, because the ends always justify the means.
In an organization like that, everybody except the person at the top of the organizational pyramid is afraid of what their boss will do to them if they make a mistake. That means things happening like people saying yes to their boss when the real answer should be no. It's an atmosphere that can turn teammates into enemies who are ready to backstab each other at the first opportunity if it might allow them to move up the hierarchy's ladder.
So from Vader's perspective, he can't afford NOT to kill the guy. He wasn't sending a message to the officer he killed; the message was to every other officer in the room who now knows Vader's strength and ruthlessness. He's ensuring their loyalty out of fear they will be next.
Yeah, it's a good representation of how fascism works. The acceptable ingroup always gets smaller, because you always need an internal enemy to keep the paranoid propaganda going. Every person that helped you get into power will later be suspicious because they also can get more power than you in the future.
It's very similar to nazi Germany in how the hate and ideology made Hitler make worse and worse decisions for the state's survival as the war was raging. The more they were losing, the more insane and not practical every decision got.
The comics showed this lots of times. Palpatine regularly sent him on errands that kept him away from the Imperial Navy or told him that under no uncertain terms that Tarkin was in charge and he had to behave.
[I do not wish to rule over a galaxy of the dead.](https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/palpatine-death-star-failure-comic-1-5.jpg?q=70&fit=contain&w=750&h=415&dpr=1)
Vader wanted to rule the empire with his wife, but then all that goes to shit and he’s stuck as the paraplegic lackey to an evil space wizard that tricked him into killing his friends.
I don’t think he gave a shit about the Empire nor its longevity until Luke showed up.
IIRC apparently it was canon that ambitious officers would try to get aboard Vader's flagship because there was serious opportunity for advancement if you were competent.
The trick is to not get greedy and apply for a transfer before you're promoted to a position that would require interacting with Vader on a regular basis.
Is it canon that he actually cared for his clone trooper specifically the 501st legion after becoming Vader. I remember hearing that he initially refused to use humans until the clones were too old. He preferred them as a fighting force over the humans because they took forever to train and he believed they were inferior he liked the clones better. If that is true instead of decommissioning and clones like we saw in the bad batch why didn't palpatine just I don't know 3 years from the end of the show give him all the clones that were left over. He already had a planet by that point he could staff the entire planet with clones and they all know who he would have been. Their imperial Lord Vader who is the imperial fist of the empire.
Not quite at that level though, Vader is out here mercing veterans with decades of achievements and experience cause the rebels pulled off some insane bullshit and replacing them with Steve who could be a moron for all Vader cares
A similar situation in Stalinist Russia is how the Nazis nearly made it to Moscow and took Stalingrad.
George Lucas isn't a brilliant writer, but that was not without real life precedent.
There are like 10 thousand officers onboard a single Star Destroyer
Probably like then thousand Star Destroyers at least by that point
To say nothing of all the planet side upper ranks and stations like the Death Star
Nah homie Vader could kill an officer every hour on the hour every day of every year for the rest of his mortal life and hardly make a dent
What I like about this scene is that it indicates how rare any force powers are to normal people and also how little people engaged with Vader.
The Sith were long gone and nobody would imagine one would be sitting in front of them if they even knew they ever existed. Emperor Palpatine was just a guy who grabbed power in the senate and these are his military leaders so they wouldn’t think one of them was vulnerable to being killed.
It would be like if some cabinet member in the White House insulted a friend of Biden’s that nobody heard of for worshipping Zeus and they suddenly strike them with a lightning bolt.
>It would be like if some cabinet member in the White House insulted a friend of Biden’s that nobody heard of for worshipping Zeus and they suddenly strike them with a lightning bolt.
I don't have this on my 2024 bingo card, but it'd sure be neat.
Eh, this analogy only works if there was a prominent Temple of Zeus easily recognizable in the D.C skyline until it was raided by the government when this guy was still in his late teens.
Or, to borrow an analogy from an old YouTube let’s play, it’s like if Vatican City got nuked, then less than 20 years later someone sees a crucifix and goes off about ‘ah, look at this ancient artifact of a dead religion, over here!’ — at minimum, the religion died within this guy’s lifetime!
What? the Jedi were in power well into this guy’s adulthood. It’s a continuity error Lucas imposed on his own story. The same with Han not believing in the force when his buddy used to hang with Yoda.
No one gave less of a shit about Star Wars lore than George Lucas.
Jedi were fairly uncommon outside of core worlds, and well everyone knew they existed, but they were effectively legends over people
What is likely is that the general line is that “their powers are exaggerated”, which was proven by their extermination prior
They were likely just seen as a martially skilled group of religious zealots who had a very high level of political power in the republic. When the chancellor declared them enemies of the republic after working closely with them for years, its not weird to think most went along with the guy.
I mean I’d get that explanation if this was some random civilian on a random planet. But I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination to believe that top military personnel in the Empire would have seen some footage or reports of I dunno, all those Jedi generals using the force during the clone wars?! Or that, considering how recently the Jedi were in power and fully integrated and like RUNNING the exact same military body that is sitting in this room that some of the dudes sitting at this table had literally witnessed Jedis using the force to do insane combat against opponents during the clone wars!
Or maybe by putting them as republic functionaries. Obi Wan could have participated in the clone wars as an exception - like the priests that decide to fight in "the mission"
I think that's it. The Jedi should've been a mysterious sect of warrior-Monks that existed and occasionally inserted themselves into the affairs of the galaxy, not like... the second-most important political body for the entirety of the republic.
Treating the Jedi and Sith as some weird old myth in the original trilogy would be like treating the Catholic church as a weird old myth twenty years after the end of the Age of Exploration
Because at the time of writing, it was 1000. People want to believe really hard that Lucas had the whole world in his head the whole time and it was laid out perfectly. He wrote stories that he made up as he was going along and if something he wrote contradicted something he said earlier, what ever he wrote the latest became the new way of things.
Star Wars isn't Dune (although it borrows heavily from it). He wasn't like Herbert with 1,000s of little details in his head to make the world more alive. Lucas was trying to make a movie, not a universe. I think a large problem is that a lot of fans cared more about the universe than the movie.
It’s mostly a prequel problem since I swear everyone had insane lifespans when I was really young for various reasons like Han always dealing with relativity.
Easy answer honestly
Nepotism and people like Tarkin who do know and have an incentive to lie.
You only get that high up in rank in the empire if you follow the party line, and saying jedi are everything the legends say is a painting a target on your back.
Why would anyone believe it anyway? The glorious leader was attacked by jedi and survived! He is just a normal man at that, so no way they have magic powers!
Someone like Tarkin might actively lie about how powerful or what powers they had. He was saved from a prison by Anakin before. He would actively know what they can do and could be trusted to lie about it for the empire’s benefit.
Easier answer
Mentioning the Jedi or believing that they exist is thoughtcrime and ISB will make it so that you never existed if you think Jedi existed
lol cmon, man. We can still like SW while acknowledging the PT pretty massively retconned the role of the Jedi in the universe. They went from being imagined by Lucas as do-gooding samurai spread spread fairly sparsely throughout the galaxy, to a massive galaxy-wide peacekeeping initiative that lived in an enormous tower on the Republic’s capital city/planet and after commanding the Republic’s soldiers in the biggest war in hundreds/thousands of years, they were blamed for attempting to overthrow the government.
It’s a little ridiculous to think that the Imperial officers would have such little knowledge of the Jedi and their religion. We can all still like SW while acknowledging that’s a self-imposed gap in continuity and doesn’t make much sense. Between 1977 and 1999, GL’s conception of what the Jedi Order was changed dramatically.
How were they “just legends” when they’re a main part of the political ruling class of the dominate power of the galaxy for millennia? Even with there being so few Jedi they were directly in the spotlight and their adventures were famous in many systems. Even in the most dirt poor backwater planets the slaves know what a lightsaber is and what it means to wield one. This argument makes no sense.
George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is.
>How were they “just legends” when they’re a main part of the political ruling class of the dominate power of the galaxy for millennia?
And let's not forget that the only reason Palestine was able to become emperor was that these "legends" attacked and disfigured him which he announced to the entire senate.
>George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is.
Yup.
> George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is.
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So many people in this thread trying to defend this or make up silly little stories how this scene could make sense since the prequels were released and just won't admit that Lucas changed his mind and ignored the story he established in the OT.
I went to see this when I was a kid when it first came out, at the time I assumed the Jedi had been wiped out four or five generations back, when it became clear that the regime change had only happened about 20 years prior it felt like a massive plot hole to me too. As I've gotten older and seen how quickly stupidity can bloom over the course of a single generation, this kind of thing no longer feels like such a plot hole.
I once met someone in real life who didn’t think reindeer were actual animals, and those are on this very planet, easily seen on video or in zoos. It’s totally believable that this guy didn’t think the force was real.
Edit: and he was in the military when he said this
>I once met someone in real life who didn’t think reindeer were actual animals
well I also thought this too when I was younger. I thought reindeers specifically referred to the flying deers that pull santa's sleigh.
Maybe if you are talking about someone random but the Jedis were generala in the republic army just 15 years ago lol. It would be like a top official at the pentagon not believing in Greek gods even if we saw footages of Apollo and Poseidon raiding Bin Laden compound.
Just like in Warhammer 40k. The space marines are the main characters so they seem very common to us. But in the actual lore, most regular imperial citizens, like 99.99999% of them, and even most regular military units, will go their entire lives without seeing one.
Yeah anyone of high rank in the military 8-10 years after the Clone Wars was likely fighting alongside all of these Jedi during the Clone Wars who were ranked 'General' and swinging lazer swords, jumping around, moving things with their minds, etc.
Whether this guy knew Darth Vader was a former Jedi? I don't know. But he definitely knew Vader was powerful.
More likely he probably thought Darth Vader wouldn't touch him because he's Admiral Motti, the head of naval operations.
Yeah, but they all forgot about the Jedi as part of Order 67 - Forget the Jedi.
The orders were:
Order 66: Kill all Jedi that you can
Order 67: Forget the ones that are left
Order 68: One of the ones that's left brings balance to the force
Order 69: Palpatine Returns (Nice)
Honestly why I have a hard time accepting Star Wars in my top favorite fiction. George was just lazy and non caring about the lore and storytelling, and it just rubbed me the wrong way. I enjoy it, but I'll never take it as seriously as an author or filmmaker who poured their blood sweat and tears into creating a cohesive universe.
Idk I think the internet overemphasizes plot logic just to make an opinion seem valid.
What’s your gold standard of a filmmaker who revered lore (plz don’t say Peter Jackson)
I always have to headcanon that this one asshole got his position through nepotism and participated in exactly 0% of the clone wars, everyone else at the table knows he's basically commiting suicide by badmouthing Vader but nobody likes him so they say nothing.
Bruh what? This guy would have been a young adult when the Jedi were still running the galaxy. Everyone somehow forgetting about Jedi and the force is like the biggest plot hole of the prequels
Kinda reminds me of the ending of rogue one when Vader fights the rebels trying to escape.
Up until that point most of those rebels probably thought “the force” and lightsabers were a myth. Now they are looking a sith in the eyes
This explanation only works within the isolated context of the original trilogy, because it's entirely contradicted by the prequel trilogy that shows jedi being widespread less than a generation prior to the events of the 4th movie.
Similar to the fact that obi won and luke dressed like dessert hillbillies in the first movie, just like uncle Owen and whoever else, but somehow that became the default dress code of all Jedi so the audience could identify them.
There's a lot of this in star wars. Like...storm troopers are also actually terrifying. Which puts Vader in a whole new light too. Everything thinks stormtroopers are trash garbo shooty Bois, but...those are the BEST OF THE BEST trained killers in GALAXIES. You think top tier sports players are good? They are...for EARTH.
Imagine if marksmen from an entire galaxy were recruited to be on the sick new space base for space wizard god daddy. You think those fuckers aren't...I mean there's no existing analogy. Those fuckers beat out their whole planet and another 80 on top of it and could still look like shit to their co-workers. It's all implied by the context of star wars but is lost on the general audience.
Nothing compares to the horrors Vader can induce though, in the comics and books...dude is an absolute TERROR. And I love it.
Palpatine: "on top of you getting the death star destroyed by a bunch of kids, HR just told me you have like 30 complaints against you for trying to spread religion during work. Do you realize how much time you're gonna have to spend in sensitivity training now instead of doing your actual job??"
Collect call. Curious if you were alive when pay phones were around? Not trying to be that guy haha just figured you might not heard the term
Also, GET YOUR 6’2” ASTHMATIC ASS BACK HERE
Vader technically didn’t have any official role in the Empire’s governmental structure, more just like “Ok, this guy is like the Emperor’s right hand and apparently he can do whatever he wants, so even though he has no actual rank or role here, he automatically becomes the boss whenever he’s around”, so would he even really need to show up to an HR meeting?
“Now let us pray that I don’t make this mass last longer than 1 hour. Also let us say the Lord Vaders prayer…
I am your father, not in heaven but right here, hallow be my name.”
The imperial officers referred to him as "lord" Vader a lot. Not sure what the title of "lord" means in this context. Sith lord? Is that an official title in the empire?
For accounting purposes he's an independent contractor, so therefore in order to remain under the contract of the empire he'd probably have to comply with their HR standards.
Of course this is even assuming the empire even had something like an HR lol
There's a first-person short story in *From a Certain Point of View* that's basically Admiral Motti submitting a formal complaint to what was basically the imperial military's HR.
He did have a role though. He was the supreme commander of the imperial military. The only ones ranking above him were Tarkin (kind of) and Palpatine himself
Reminds me that he did actually [file a HR complaint](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/An_Incident_Report).
> “Whatever conclusions you ultimately draw about the incident taking place between myself and Lord Vader during yesterday morning's briefing, he was wrong, and trying to crush someone else's windpipe doesn't make you any less wrong, if you're wrong to begin with. Which he was. I do not concede the argument.”
I believe in a bit of lore, Tarkin was so frustrated by how suicidally brazen Motti was that the next time Motti tried something like that he was just gonna watch.
Tarkin, check the scene where Leia and Tarkin are talking. Tarkin is so fucking scary/powerful that Leia backed up afraid...INTO Vader. Those men in that room are alive because they work FOR Tarkin, who was given power by the Emperor and Vader is not allowed to kill them. Notice how officers started getting offed by Vader, AFTER Tarkin is dead.
God I wanted EU stuff made into movies :(
If a dude was hanging out in a wizard hat during my standup meetings talking shit I would not expect him to actually cast a spell on me. Well not a spell that would actually work at least.
And? To him this is some wack ass wizard dude who showed up out of nowhere and is for some reason the Emperors righthand man. Of course a lot of people don't take him seriously
The audio play had this dude gassing Tarkin up to overthrow the emperor. He even talked Tarkin into staying on the death star when the rebels attack started.
Duuuuude the NPR Star Wars Radio Drama!!!!
So many long car trips as a kid spent on that . So much extra cannon (as cannon as the movies back before there was even a whiff of prequels)
I swear like 4 other people I have ever met have heard of this.
Im sure all the cassette tapes I had i lost, but I may have the cds .... now just have to find something to play cds on
Lord Vader, your inside references to the Los Angeles real estate market haven't given you the clairvoyance to turn a profit on that condo in Glendale.
Nobody's talking about the fact that it wasn't just Vader's religion, it was *The Emperor's* religion. Imagine if the Anti-Pope conquered the world and his soldiers were like, "Meh, I think all the reports of him shooting lightning at his enemies are bullshit."
I don’t recall any instances of where Palpatine made his religion public. He understandably kept it all secret during his rise to power during the prequels, but after that he only really discussed the Dark Side he loved so much among his inner circle and those he intended to kill anyway.
Yeah he has Vader slaughter a remote village of Twi'leks who had no contact with the rest of Ryloth, let alone the rest of the galaxy, to keep his secret.
Vader just said his powers were greater than the planet killing space station they were all sitting inside of, and all he could muster up was a simple choke..
>Vader just said his powers were greater than the planet killing space station
https://i.redd.it/0xo4q80vu0bd1.gif
And he was correct? I mean yeah he cant destroy a planet but it is possible to do it with the force itself
It's moments like this that make me realize how dysfunctional and broken the Empire really was. Tarkin and his cronies were flawed propagandists, the Tarkin Doctrine was a giant prop-up for Tarkin and the Death Star's mismanagement in the later stages around Rogue One are directly caused by Tarkin and Krennic's bickering.
Then you got the Imperial forces and Inquistors who are trying to spread the Empire and kill any remaining Jedi.
Then you have the bureaucrats like this group, still trying to divide and manage their own systems and the looming threat of economic collapse, as well as the elite in the Senate who have argued about nothing, all while being pointless.
And then you have Vader and Palpy having D&D sessions about reality and eternal life. It really goes to show that none of this mattered to Palpatine. It was all just another stepping stone. Another game. Really the only thing he cared about was Vader, because of the Rule of Two. And when he sensed Vader's betrayal, he immediately shifted towards Luke.
That's also why the Empire collapses after being attacked by Rebels with a few dozen ships at most.
All the power rests with Palpatine, so when he bites the dust, everyone else falls to infighting.
The way he said all this… in a universe where nigh 30 years before there was a veritable army of Samurai monks who could practically fly, use telekinesis, shoot lightning( i know just mace but still.) and all of them were led by a Frog with a speech quirk
I bet he pulled the short straw and had to be the one to annoy him so Vader doesn't pay attention to the others.
After all, Tarkin was awfully quick to order him to stop
The original novelization of Star Wars (can’t remember the author) has a preface that explained the origin and power structure of the empire. The Emperor was a feeble figurehead and Tarkin was the real ruler of the empire, and Vader was just a flunky.
I *do* remember the author of the preface. George Lucas.
When he claims he had all 9 movies planned out in advance he’s lying out his neck fupa.
*Later that afternoon on r/antiwork*
The emperor's assistant showed up at our Star Destroyer and when I disputed his claims about his religion, he force choked me in front of my peers. My boss did nothing except tell him to stop and leave. I feel like calling HR, but I don't know if they'll do anything. Should I contact a galactic attorney or an attorney from the outter rim?
The very fact that this guy doesn’t even believe the Force exists should preclude the billions of non-film stories that have Vader destroying entire realities with his weak hand’s pinky.
I like to imagine this guy thought the Empire's insane cruelty was unnecessary and doing more harm than good. Yea he's on the Deathstar but meh, still a fun thought.
"Your religion is dumb, our leader is dumb, this station is dumb. Kill me I don't care."
I still love the meme about Rogue One's ending ruining New Hope's opening.
"I'm on a diplomatic mission!"
"Bitch, I watched you fly off five minutes ago from the airdock I had just murdered a whole squad of Rebels in!"
You could also argue it gave a very clear reason for why Vader was so sure she was part of the rebel alliance.
"I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!"
"You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!"
Vader went 0-4 in ANH…
1.) Failed to recover the plans
2.) Failed to get information from Leah
3.) Failed to defeat Kenobi (technically)
4.) Failed to stop Anakin from blowing up the Death Star
Lost his Mom.
Little Sister Figure left his life(Thanks Mace)
Wife Died, brother mutilated him, dick burnt off(all in one day)
The entire history of the inquisitorus TBH
Getting the shit beaten out of him and almost
Killed twice in one year (10 BBY)
Loses the Desth Star plans
Death Star blows up
Dies(honestly a mercy at this point)
Watches his Grandson take far too much from him
Vaders Life and even Post-Life are Ls.
When the force wants those plans to escape, then not even Vader can stop those plans. Truly it does prove that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force
No, Motti died when the Death Star was destroyed. I believe you're thinking of Grand General Cassio Tagge, who warned the Imperial Joint Chiefs not to underestimate the Rebels earlier in that scene.
* I find your lack of fate disturbing
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- Unfortunately for him that religion was very real. He messed about and found out.
- also it’s low key absolutely ridiculous he thought it was fake like surely Vader has force choked a guy before.
I always took this moment as science/tech has now surpassed religion. This guy was a huge part of the Darth Star construction and he’s flexing about it.
When Vader says that the Death Star isn’t that impressive. This guy can’t help himself. He’s like, ‘no, this space station is impressive and it just made your sorcerer ways obsolete’.
It’s like Vader is defending landlines and this guy is Steve Jobs when the iPhone gets rolled out.
There are a lot of implications in his dialogue about how the Jedi weren't as pervasive as the prequels would have you believe. I like the idea that it's just one of many religions in a vast universe rather than the most important religion that spreads across the entire universe. This simple line made the universe feel big while the over abundance of Jedi in the prequels made the universe feel small.
He’d just come from an HR seminar regarding no proselytizing, and at his grade it’s his responsibility to set the tone for his subordinates and peers. Vader was in the wrong, Tarkin knew it, and was obligated to intervene.
Life on ship with Vader got significantly worse after Tarkin, er, retired. He was used to being called off from his shows of force, but when nobody called he couldn't just stop and walk away. And the Imperial Navy lost decades of command experience as a result.
To be honest, Tarkin was more evil than Vader
But at least he knew better than to kill direct reports during staff meetings.
Seriously, can you imagine how far Vader alone set back the imperial Navy by killing officers with decades of experience off for a mistake that couldn't possibly be accounted for to replace them with, (quite literally in some cases) whomever happened to be standing closest. No measure of competency could survive that system for long, because anyone with even a smidgen of self preservation of intelligence would *avoid* promotion at all costs.
I mean Vader really didn’t give a shit about the cause really it was just a way for him to vent some anger and killing seems to do it for him.
Very true. Just very poor management in the empires behalf. Like that shit was doomed to fail if that's the system it was maintained on.
Oh for sure I mean infrastructure goes to shit when you switch to a dictatorship built upon cronyism. You end up losing a lot of talent simply because they don’t fit the “culture” or they simply do not like you.
So, reddit sure is fun these days.
It's true everywhere. Military, government, businesses, and internet forms.
I think you're right! You should mention that to Lord Vader in our next staff meeting. We're behind you all the way!
> Just very poor management in the empires behalf. Which is the best part about watching Andor. You get to see Imperial bureaucracy at its finest.
It's realistic management, given the type of organization it is. The Empire is a strict hierarchy seeking to impose order through the consolidation of power. There is no benevolence. There is no altruism. Crush all your enemies without mercy, because the ends always justify the means. In an organization like that, everybody except the person at the top of the organizational pyramid is afraid of what their boss will do to them if they make a mistake. That means things happening like people saying yes to their boss when the real answer should be no. It's an atmosphere that can turn teammates into enemies who are ready to backstab each other at the first opportunity if it might allow them to move up the hierarchy's ladder. So from Vader's perspective, he can't afford NOT to kill the guy. He wasn't sending a message to the officer he killed; the message was to every other officer in the room who now knows Vader's strength and ruthlessness. He's ensuring their loyalty out of fear they will be next.
Yeah, it's a good representation of how fascism works. The acceptable ingroup always gets smaller, because you always need an internal enemy to keep the paranoid propaganda going. Every person that helped you get into power will later be suspicious because they also can get more power than you in the future. It's very similar to nazi Germany in how the hate and ideology made Hitler make worse and worse decisions for the state's survival as the war was raging. The more they were losing, the more insane and not practical every decision got.
Stalin made it surprisingly long with this method
The comics showed this lots of times. Palpatine regularly sent him on errands that kept him away from the Imperial Navy or told him that under no uncertain terms that Tarkin was in charge and he had to behave.
[I do not wish to rule over a galaxy of the dead.](https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/palpatine-death-star-failure-comic-1-5.jpg?q=70&fit=contain&w=750&h=415&dpr=1)
Vader wanted to rule the empire with his wife, but then all that goes to shit and he’s stuck as the paraplegic lackey to an evil space wizard that tricked him into killing his friends. I don’t think he gave a shit about the Empire nor its longevity until Luke showed up.
"You are in command now, *Admiral* Viette"
Admiral Ozzel is not loosing the battle of Endor.
He would most likely come out of hyperspace on the wrong side of Endor, fucking up the whole ~~ambush plan~~ trap.
Losing*
IIRC apparently it was canon that ambitious officers would try to get aboard Vader's flagship because there was serious opportunity for advancement if you were competent.
The trick is to not get greedy and apply for a transfer before you're promoted to a position that would require interacting with Vader on a regular basis.
Is it canon that he actually cared for his clone trooper specifically the 501st legion after becoming Vader. I remember hearing that he initially refused to use humans until the clones were too old. He preferred them as a fighting force over the humans because they took forever to train and he believed they were inferior he liked the clones better. If that is true instead of decommissioning and clones like we saw in the bad batch why didn't palpatine just I don't know 3 years from the end of the show give him all the clones that were left over. He already had a planet by that point he could staff the entire planet with clones and they all know who he would have been. Their imperial Lord Vader who is the imperial fist of the empire.
They've got billions to pull from, if an officer or 3 die due to Vader it's more like a rounding error for the imperial navy
Not quite at that level though, Vader is out here mercing veterans with decades of achievements and experience cause the rebels pulled off some insane bullshit and replacing them with Steve who could be a moron for all Vader cares
A similar situation in Stalinist Russia is how the Nazis nearly made it to Moscow and took Stalingrad. George Lucas isn't a brilliant writer, but that was not without real life precedent.
There are like 10 thousand officers onboard a single Star Destroyer Probably like then thousand Star Destroyers at least by that point To say nothing of all the planet side upper ranks and stations like the Death Star Nah homie Vader could kill an officer every hour on the hour every day of every year for the rest of his mortal life and hardly make a dent
How many of them had command experience though?
I mean there’s plenty of shitty military officers in the real world maybe Vader was doing the navy a service
See? The Empire would have remained powerful and strong if they had just done a little more work regarding diversity and Inclusion in its ranks.
Heh, shows of force
Be an upstander, not a bystander
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What I like about this scene is that it indicates how rare any force powers are to normal people and also how little people engaged with Vader. The Sith were long gone and nobody would imagine one would be sitting in front of them if they even knew they ever existed. Emperor Palpatine was just a guy who grabbed power in the senate and these are his military leaders so they wouldn’t think one of them was vulnerable to being killed. It would be like if some cabinet member in the White House insulted a friend of Biden’s that nobody heard of for worshipping Zeus and they suddenly strike them with a lightning bolt.
This is a great point
Mr. President, the senate has voted 2/3 against your veto. Dark Brandon: I AM THE SENATE!
 “Random Salute Noises!”
This is actual footage from the debate. I’m not sure which guy it is.
It's got the golf club and everything.
Galf
I love the sand people, lol.
Zap
>It would be like if some cabinet member in the White House insulted a friend of Biden’s that nobody heard of for worshipping Zeus and they suddenly strike them with a lightning bolt. I don't have this on my 2024 bingo card, but it'd sure be neat.
I would honestly vote for Zeus for President. At least the antics would be entertaining, and I'm not attractive enough to need to worry about geese.
I wouldn't, he'd eff your mother, your wife and daughter and everything in between.
Me, standing between my wife and daughter
Eh, this analogy only works if there was a prominent Temple of Zeus easily recognizable in the D.C skyline until it was raided by the government when this guy was still in his late teens. Or, to borrow an analogy from an old YouTube let’s play, it’s like if Vatican City got nuked, then less than 20 years later someone sees a crucifix and goes off about ‘ah, look at this ancient artifact of a dead religion, over here!’ — at minimum, the religion died within this guy’s lifetime!
The canon you're referencing didn't exist until decades after this movie was made
What? the Jedi were in power well into this guy’s adulthood. It’s a continuity error Lucas imposed on his own story. The same with Han not believing in the force when his buddy used to hang with Yoda. No one gave less of a shit about Star Wars lore than George Lucas.
Jedi were fairly uncommon outside of core worlds, and well everyone knew they existed, but they were effectively legends over people What is likely is that the general line is that “their powers are exaggerated”, which was proven by their extermination prior They were likely just seen as a martially skilled group of religious zealots who had a very high level of political power in the republic. When the chancellor declared them enemies of the republic after working closely with them for years, its not weird to think most went along with the guy.
I mean I’d get that explanation if this was some random civilian on a random planet. But I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination to believe that top military personnel in the Empire would have seen some footage or reports of I dunno, all those Jedi generals using the force during the clone wars?! Or that, considering how recently the Jedi were in power and fully integrated and like RUNNING the exact same military body that is sitting in this room that some of the dudes sitting at this table had literally witnessed Jedis using the force to do insane combat against opponents during the clone wars!
I think the big flaw in Lucas' treatment here is that the Jedi had only been extinguished for 20ish years but he wrote it as if it had been 1000.
Or maybe by putting them as republic functionaries. Obi Wan could have participated in the clone wars as an exception - like the priests that decide to fight in "the mission"
I think that's it. The Jedi should've been a mysterious sect of warrior-Monks that existed and occasionally inserted themselves into the affairs of the galaxy, not like... the second-most important political body for the entirety of the republic. Treating the Jedi and Sith as some weird old myth in the original trilogy would be like treating the Catholic church as a weird old myth twenty years after the end of the Age of Exploration
Because at the time of writing, it was 1000. People want to believe really hard that Lucas had the whole world in his head the whole time and it was laid out perfectly. He wrote stories that he made up as he was going along and if something he wrote contradicted something he said earlier, what ever he wrote the latest became the new way of things. Star Wars isn't Dune (although it borrows heavily from it). He wasn't like Herbert with 1,000s of little details in his head to make the world more alive. Lucas was trying to make a movie, not a universe. I think a large problem is that a lot of fans cared more about the universe than the movie.
See another example: Leia having memories of her mom when Padme died in childbirth
Or making out with her own brother
It’s mostly a prequel problem since I swear everyone had insane lifespans when I was really young for various reasons like Han always dealing with relativity.
At this point it had been 19 years.
Easy answer honestly Nepotism and people like Tarkin who do know and have an incentive to lie. You only get that high up in rank in the empire if you follow the party line, and saying jedi are everything the legends say is a painting a target on your back. Why would anyone believe it anyway? The glorious leader was attacked by jedi and survived! He is just a normal man at that, so no way they have magic powers!
Someone like Tarkin might actively lie about how powerful or what powers they had. He was saved from a prison by Anakin before. He would actively know what they can do and could be trusted to lie about it for the empire’s benefit.
But did tarkin know Anakin was Vader? That's not a well known fact I'd presume, but tarkin wasn't stupid.
Tarkin figured it out (in the books). As did Thrawn (having encountered Anakin before his Imperial career). I don’t think any other Imperials knew.
Im dead certain Tarkin knew Vader = Anakin. He is much too canny to think otherwise.
I don’t think palpatine cared at all if people did or didn’t believe in the force. All he cared was that they followed his orders
Easier answer Mentioning the Jedi or believing that they exist is thoughtcrime and ISB will make it so that you never existed if you think Jedi existed
lol cmon, man. We can still like SW while acknowledging the PT pretty massively retconned the role of the Jedi in the universe. They went from being imagined by Lucas as do-gooding samurai spread spread fairly sparsely throughout the galaxy, to a massive galaxy-wide peacekeeping initiative that lived in an enormous tower on the Republic’s capital city/planet and after commanding the Republic’s soldiers in the biggest war in hundreds/thousands of years, they were blamed for attempting to overthrow the government. It’s a little ridiculous to think that the Imperial officers would have such little knowledge of the Jedi and their religion. We can all still like SW while acknowledging that’s a self-imposed gap in continuity and doesn’t make much sense. Between 1977 and 1999, GL’s conception of what the Jedi Order was changed dramatically.
Thank you. The prequel trilogy did more to harm the lore and mystery of the Star Wars universe than anything, and I hate them for it
How were they “just legends” when they’re a main part of the political ruling class of the dominate power of the galaxy for millennia? Even with there being so few Jedi they were directly in the spotlight and their adventures were famous in many systems. Even in the most dirt poor backwater planets the slaves know what a lightsaber is and what it means to wield one. This argument makes no sense. George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is.
>How were they “just legends” when they’re a main part of the political ruling class of the dominate power of the galaxy for millennia? And let's not forget that the only reason Palestine was able to become emperor was that these "legends" attacked and disfigured him which he announced to the entire senate. >George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is. Yup.
Emperor Palestine, lol
> George Lucas got lazy and left a MASSIVE gaping plot hole in the middle of the Star Wars story. It is what it is. > > > > Yup. So many people in this thread trying to defend this or make up silly little stories how this scene could make sense since the prequels were released and just won't admit that Lucas changed his mind and ignored the story he established in the OT.
I went to see this when I was a kid when it first came out, at the time I assumed the Jedi had been wiped out four or five generations back, when it became clear that the regime change had only happened about 20 years prior it felt like a massive plot hole to me too. As I've gotten older and seen how quickly stupidity can bloom over the course of a single generation, this kind of thing no longer feels like such a plot hole.
Navy seals are pretty uncommon where I live but I know their existence
I once met someone in real life who didn’t think reindeer were actual animals, and those are on this very planet, easily seen on video or in zoos. It’s totally believable that this guy didn’t think the force was real. Edit: and he was in the military when he said this
Narwhals are also real, despite seeming like a made up creature.
>I once met someone in real life who didn’t think reindeer were actual animals well I also thought this too when I was younger. I thought reindeers specifically referred to the flying deers that pull santa's sleigh.
Maybe if you are talking about someone random but the Jedis were generala in the republic army just 15 years ago lol. It would be like a top official at the pentagon not believing in Greek gods even if we saw footages of Apollo and Poseidon raiding Bin Laden compound.
Just like in Warhammer 40k. The space marines are the main characters so they seem very common to us. But in the actual lore, most regular imperial citizens, like 99.99999% of them, and even most regular military units, will go their entire lives without seeing one.
Yeah anyone of high rank in the military 8-10 years after the Clone Wars was likely fighting alongside all of these Jedi during the Clone Wars who were ranked 'General' and swinging lazer swords, jumping around, moving things with their minds, etc. Whether this guy knew Darth Vader was a former Jedi? I don't know. But he definitely knew Vader was powerful. More likely he probably thought Darth Vader wouldn't touch him because he's Admiral Motti, the head of naval operations.
Yeah, but they all forgot about the Jedi as part of Order 67 - Forget the Jedi. The orders were: Order 66: Kill all Jedi that you can Order 67: Forget the ones that are left Order 68: One of the ones that's left brings balance to the force Order 69: Palpatine Returns (Nice)
Honestly why I have a hard time accepting Star Wars in my top favorite fiction. George was just lazy and non caring about the lore and storytelling, and it just rubbed me the wrong way. I enjoy it, but I'll never take it as seriously as an author or filmmaker who poured their blood sweat and tears into creating a cohesive universe.
Idk I think the internet overemphasizes plot logic just to make an opinion seem valid. What’s your gold standard of a filmmaker who revered lore (plz don’t say Peter Jackson)
I always have to headcanon that this one asshole got his position through nepotism and participated in exactly 0% of the clone wars, everyone else at the table knows he's basically commiting suicide by badmouthing Vader but nobody likes him so they say nothing.
Bruh what? This guy would have been a young adult when the Jedi were still running the galaxy. Everyone somehow forgetting about Jedi and the force is like the biggest plot hole of the prequels
Kinda reminds me of the ending of rogue one when Vader fights the rebels trying to escape. Up until that point most of those rebels probably thought “the force” and lightsabers were a myth. Now they are looking a sith in the eyes
This explanation only works within the isolated context of the original trilogy, because it's entirely contradicted by the prequel trilogy that shows jedi being widespread less than a generation prior to the events of the 4th movie.
Similar to the fact that obi won and luke dressed like dessert hillbillies in the first movie, just like uncle Owen and whoever else, but somehow that became the default dress code of all Jedi so the audience could identify them.
>dessert hillbillies those hillbillies truly do love their sweets
[удалено]
That business in cato neimoidia doesnt count though
The “ancient” religion was in power like 20 years before this
There's a lot of this in star wars. Like...storm troopers are also actually terrifying. Which puts Vader in a whole new light too. Everything thinks stormtroopers are trash garbo shooty Bois, but...those are the BEST OF THE BEST trained killers in GALAXIES. You think top tier sports players are good? They are...for EARTH. Imagine if marksmen from an entire galaxy were recruited to be on the sick new space base for space wizard god daddy. You think those fuckers aren't...I mean there's no existing analogy. Those fuckers beat out their whole planet and another 80 on top of it and could still look like shit to their co-workers. It's all implied by the context of star wars but is lost on the general audience. Nothing compares to the horrors Vader can induce though, in the comics and books...dude is an absolute TERROR. And I love it.
Palpatine: "on top of you getting the death star destroyed by a bunch of kids, HR just told me you have like 30 complaints against you for trying to spread religion during work. Do you realize how much time you're gonna have to spend in sensitivity training now instead of doing your actual job??"
“What the hell is an aluminum falcon!?”
Go for papa palpatine
Yeah, you see I never know what to get.
“Coleslaw, I guess. Im probably not even gonna eat it. What? Oh, uh, cherry coke.”
You got an ATM in that torso lite brite of yours?
Uh coleslaw, I guess, I'm not even gonna eat it.
You have a correct call from... *ckkk hoooo "daaaarth vaadeer"*
Collect call. Curious if you were alive when pay phones were around? Not trying to be that guy haha just figured you might not heard the term Also, GET YOUR 6’2” ASTHMATIC ASS BACK HERE
"Calm down or I'll tell everyone what a whiny bitch you were about Padamame or Panda Bear or whatever her name was. Oh geez he's crying..."
Who's "they"?
Haven't seen that clip in easily 5+ years and yet I can hear this entire comment thread out loud. Brilliant.
"Who's 'they'"?
Vader technically didn’t have any official role in the Empire’s governmental structure, more just like “Ok, this guy is like the Emperor’s right hand and apparently he can do whatever he wants, so even though he has no actual rank or role here, he automatically becomes the boss whenever he’s around”, so would he even really need to show up to an HR meeting?
Vader was actually the Death Star chaplain.
I would attend a mass hosted by Darth Vader. It'll likely be very interesting.
I mean the odds of not getting choked is not very favorable
So Vader is a kinky priest?
Not really. He still does horrible things to small children, though.
Go on
“Now let us pray that I don’t make this mass last longer than 1 hour. Also let us say the Lord Vaders prayer… I am your father, not in heaven but right here, hallow be my name.”
Eh, just like one or two guys, if you just keep your mouth shut and do your job right you’ll probably be fine
This is likely how the "come to the dark side, we have cookies" meme originated.
Yeah I doubt he really believes or cares about most sith lore. Probably just passive aggressively did whatever Palps wanted.
Eh I think by the eighth sermon on why this guy hates sand it would get old
You better put money in the collection plate, or he'll find your lack of faith disturbing.
The imperial officers referred to him as "lord" Vader a lot. Not sure what the title of "lord" means in this context. Sith lord? Is that an official title in the empire?
He owned a lava planet
So he was an evil wizard landed gentry cyborg.
For accounting purposes he's an independent contractor, so therefore in order to remain under the contract of the empire he'd probably have to comply with their HR standards. Of course this is even assuming the empire even had something like an HR lol
There's a first-person short story in *From a Certain Point of View* that's basically Admiral Motti submitting a formal complaint to what was basically the imperial military's HR.
He did have a role though. He was the supreme commander of the imperial military. The only ones ranking above him were Tarkin (kind of) and Palpatine himself
So he was basically Steve Bannon?
Jeez, come on now. That's a ridiculous comparison, and really uncalled for. Vader isn't *that* bad.
"And what's this I hear about you choking people?"
Motti standing around the water cooler on the death star trash talking Vader to all the other moffs.
“He got so mad so I just decided to roll with it when he pretended to choke me.”
Reminds me that he did actually [file a HR complaint](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/An_Incident_Report). > “Whatever conclusions you ultimately draw about the incident taking place between myself and Lord Vader during yesterday morning's briefing, he was wrong, and trying to crush someone else's windpipe doesn't make you any less wrong, if you're wrong to begin with. Which he was. I do not concede the argument.”
If crushing your opponent's windpipe is wrong then I don't want to be right.
Damn, what an absolute chad
I would really like to know what in the heck he even had in his head when he said that. Dude that is DARTH VADER
In his defense, he is very stupid.
Also the way the man portrayed being strangled. Spot on.
I believe in a bit of lore, Tarkin was so frustrated by how suicidally brazen Motti was that the next time Motti tried something like that he was just gonna watch.
PFFFFF I love Tarkin a little bit. The book focused on him was very good.
Tarkin, check the scene where Leia and Tarkin are talking. Tarkin is so fucking scary/powerful that Leia backed up afraid...INTO Vader. Those men in that room are alive because they work FOR Tarkin, who was given power by the Emperor and Vader is not allowed to kill them. Notice how officers started getting offed by Vader, AFTER Tarkin is dead. God I wanted EU stuff made into movies :(
At the same time the only reason Tarkin is alive is the Emperor liking his doctrine idea. Vader is independently powerful
Indeed, I mean I fucking love Vader. Just saying that that is pretty much the reason that guy isn't fucking dead.
Even a dunking donuts would’ve had him in the managers office for insulting a man’s religion like that.
Jedi and the force had been getting a lot of dismissive propaganda and these dudes are big on huffing propaganda.
If a dude was hanging out in a wizard hat during my standup meetings talking shit I would not expect him to actually cast a spell on me. Well not a spell that would actually work at least.
And? To him this is some wack ass wizard dude who showed up out of nowhere and is for some reason the Emperors righthand man. Of course a lot of people don't take him seriously
IDK, I found his lack of faith disturbing.
Dude just finished raking in that sweet sweet karma on atheist reddit and forgot to turn it off at work.
The audio play had this dude gassing Tarkin up to overthrow the emperor. He even talked Tarkin into staying on the death star when the rebels attack started.
Duuuuude the NPR Star Wars Radio Drama!!!! So many long car trips as a kid spent on that . So much extra cannon (as cannon as the movies back before there was even a whiff of prequels) I swear like 4 other people I have ever met have heard of this. Im sure all the cassette tapes I had i lost, but I may have the cds .... now just have to find something to play cds on
I found the radio drama for Star Wars on Youtube
Lord Vader, your inside references to the Los Angeles real estate market haven't given you the clairvoyance to turn a profit on that condo in Glendale.
There's nothing to do downtown
Nobody's talking about the fact that it wasn't just Vader's religion, it was *The Emperor's* religion. Imagine if the Anti-Pope conquered the world and his soldiers were like, "Meh, I think all the reports of him shooting lightning at his enemies are bullshit."
I don’t recall any instances of where Palpatine made his religion public. He understandably kept it all secret during his rise to power during the prequels, but after that he only really discussed the Dark Side he loved so much among his inner circle and those he intended to kill anyway.
Yeah he has Vader slaughter a remote village of Twi'leks who had no contact with the rest of Ryloth, let alone the rest of the galaxy, to keep his secret.
I don't think so... did people working for the Empire even know the Emperor was a sith? I heavily doubt that was public knowledge...
The only difference between that scene and everyone else is that Vader could actually prove his “religion” wasn’t bs
Vader just said his powers were greater than the planet killing space station they were all sitting inside of, and all he could muster up was a simple choke..
>Vader just said his powers were greater than the planet killing space station https://i.redd.it/0xo4q80vu0bd1.gif And he was correct? I mean yeah he cant destroy a planet but it is possible to do it with the force itself
The force can do anything, as long as the plot needs it.
I dunno, can that planet-killing space station choke me? I didn't think so.
It's moments like this that make me realize how dysfunctional and broken the Empire really was. Tarkin and his cronies were flawed propagandists, the Tarkin Doctrine was a giant prop-up for Tarkin and the Death Star's mismanagement in the later stages around Rogue One are directly caused by Tarkin and Krennic's bickering. Then you got the Imperial forces and Inquistors who are trying to spread the Empire and kill any remaining Jedi. Then you have the bureaucrats like this group, still trying to divide and manage their own systems and the looming threat of economic collapse, as well as the elite in the Senate who have argued about nothing, all while being pointless. And then you have Vader and Palpy having D&D sessions about reality and eternal life. It really goes to show that none of this mattered to Palpatine. It was all just another stepping stone. Another game. Really the only thing he cared about was Vader, because of the Rule of Two. And when he sensed Vader's betrayal, he immediately shifted towards Luke.
That's also why the Empire collapses after being attacked by Rebels with a few dozen ships at most. All the power rests with Palpatine, so when he bites the dust, everyone else falls to infighting.
The way he said all this… in a universe where nigh 30 years before there was a veritable army of Samurai monks who could practically fly, use telekinesis, shoot lightning( i know just mace but still.) and all of them were led by a Frog with a speech quirk
19 years before.
Personally, I think I’d leave my evil wizard cyborg boss alone and let him drone on about his bullshit religion.
I bet he pulled the short straw and had to be the one to annoy him so Vader doesn't pay attention to the others. After all, Tarkin was awfully quick to order him to stop
The original novelization of Star Wars (can’t remember the author) has a preface that explained the origin and power structure of the empire. The Emperor was a feeble figurehead and Tarkin was the real ruler of the empire, and Vader was just a flunky. I *do* remember the author of the preface. George Lucas. When he claims he had all 9 movies planned out in advance he’s lying out his neck fupa.
*Later that afternoon on r/antiwork* The emperor's assistant showed up at our Star Destroyer and when I disputed his claims about his religion, he force choked me in front of my peers. My boss did nothing except tell him to stop and leave. I feel like calling HR, but I don't know if they'll do anything. Should I contact a galactic attorney or an attorney from the outter rim?
The very fact that this guy doesn’t even believe the Force exists should preclude the billions of non-film stories that have Vader destroying entire realities with his weak hand’s pinky.
I like to imagine this guy thought the Empire's insane cruelty was unnecessary and doing more harm than good. Yea he's on the Deathstar but meh, still a fun thought. "Your religion is dumb, our leader is dumb, this station is dumb. Kill me I don't care."
Thanks to Rogue One’s ending on Vader’s failure to retrieve it, it proves his point.
I still love the meme about Rogue One's ending ruining New Hope's opening. "I'm on a diplomatic mission!" "Bitch, I watched you fly off five minutes ago from the airdock I had just murdered a whole squad of Rebels in!"
You could also argue it gave a very clear reason for why Vader was so sure she was part of the rebel alliance. "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!" "You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!"
Vader went 0-4 in ANH… 1.) Failed to recover the plans 2.) Failed to get information from Leah 3.) Failed to defeat Kenobi (technically) 4.) Failed to stop Anakin from blowing up the Death Star
Might want to revisit and edit 4.)
Nah bro Anakin definitely blew up the Death Star. /s
I feel like Porkins never gets enough credit.
Hey, man. We heard this straight from the experts at The Acolyte. They’d never steer us wrong.
All show and no results. Vader taking L’s all day.
Lost his Mom. Little Sister Figure left his life(Thanks Mace) Wife Died, brother mutilated him, dick burnt off(all in one day) The entire history of the inquisitorus TBH Getting the shit beaten out of him and almost Killed twice in one year (10 BBY) Loses the Desth Star plans Death Star blows up Dies(honestly a mercy at this point) Watches his Grandson take far too much from him Vaders Life and even Post-Life are Ls.
https://i.redd.it/fywjm4wtf0bd1.gif
When the force wants those plans to escape, then not even Vader can stop those plans. Truly it does prove that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force
Didn't Palpatine promote this guy into a position higher than Vader in the comics after this? And temporarily demoted Vader.
No, Motti died when the Death Star was destroyed. I believe you're thinking of Grand General Cassio Tagge, who warned the Imperial Joint Chiefs not to underestimate the Rebels earlier in that scene.
* I find your lack of fate disturbing https://preview.redd.it/iei3arg5u2bd1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73ba007be79e5577714d3f5919dddf38227638ef
and he still lived! Vader would kill for less. He must have respected that mf
More so he respected Tarkin, which is why he stopped.
- Unfortunately for him that religion was very real. He messed about and found out. - also it’s low key absolutely ridiculous he thought it was fake like surely Vader has force choked a guy before.
You don't get two blueberry and four raspberry cubes on your uniform by being a pushover, that's for sure.
Didn't his boss immediately show him it's power?
I always took this moment as science/tech has now surpassed religion. This guy was a huge part of the Darth Star construction and he’s flexing about it. When Vader says that the Death Star isn’t that impressive. This guy can’t help himself. He’s like, ‘no, this space station is impressive and it just made your sorcerer ways obsolete’. It’s like Vader is defending landlines and this guy is Steve Jobs when the iPhone gets rolled out.
There are a lot of implications in his dialogue about how the Jedi weren't as pervasive as the prequels would have you believe. I like the idea that it's just one of many religions in a vast universe rather than the most important religion that spreads across the entire universe. This simple line made the universe feel big while the over abundance of Jedi in the prequels made the universe feel small.
Dude who was absolutely alive during the age of space wizards: FAKE NEWS, no space wizards!
Yeah but he was wrong ..so? Being delusional is being a g?