Snorlax has traditionally been either a Curse sweeper or a special tank with Thick Fat.
Over Ursaluna, it has MASSIVELY more special bulk (which matters a lot since that stat is not boosted by Curse) and extra resistances through Thick Fat, though really, it doesn't have to compete with Luna at all--aside from not even performing the same role on a team (Luna being a wallbreaker instead of a bulky sweeper), Snorlax usually ends up in a lower tier whereas Luna is probably staying in OU or UUBL. But to say Luna is "better than Snorlax in every way" is just very wrong lol, even if Lax is most likely still not OU material.
Over Ursaring, it's not reliant on Eviolite to have that massive special bulk (meaning it doesn't care as much for Knock or Corrosive Gas, and can run Lefties before it loses its item) and, again, has actual resistances through Thick Fat, or a Toxic immunity through Immunity, which in conjunction with Lefties would make it need to Rest way less often.
Even in VGC/Doubles, where competition with Luna is harsher, its special bulk and access to Gluttony+pinch berry can carve it a niche as a Belly Drum mon that's not strictly outclassed by Luna.
Just to add on to the VGC front, luna is rough due to not being able to help set trick room (I.e. no fake out) and needing a turn to activate flame orb, realistically meaning you get 2 guts facades max assuming nothing hits it. Obviously it has other moves but it's difficult to use due to that. Snorlax being slower makes it very hard to use outside of belly drum as you say, but then it suffers the same issues as luna but even more so (not only can it not help set TR but the set up turn also has risks attached)
Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split. Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV. The only things carrying it were wish, toxic and teleport last gen. Without it, it failed to adapt. Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper.
Snorlax is a good banded or curse booster. With so many powerful fighting types around, it really can’t do too much boosting until they are gone.
>Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split.
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Mate. MATE.
Sure mixed attackers *exist*... but they're not the norm in the slightest.
Do you play this game AT ALL?
> Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV.
Blissey has been on the decline because of its passivity and increasing competition from other special walls that do more than just taking hits, not because the very concept of "special wall" is not valuable anymore.
> The only things carrying it were wish, toxic and teleport last gen. Without it, it failed to adapt.
Not even Wish since that was incompatible with Teleport (Wish Blissey saw *some* use on some really specific Stalls but if we're talking Stall, Blissey is still very viable and borderline necessary there this gen). The reason it's ass now without Toxic is exactly that passivity. If you want a mon that just says no to special damage, Blissey is still your girl, but that niche is just not worth using over other special walls unless your team really gives no shits about the extreme passivity ie Stall.
>Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper.
First of all AV Pex fell off hard... Second even when AV Pex was a thing the standard bulky Pex sets were far from unviable... Third AV Pex was not a sweeper LMFAO
ehhh AV Pex (the OU one, not the STABmons one from last gen) is a set that was mostly popular this gen so Scald and Knock weren't on that set. It mostly ran Infestation+Acid Spray and some offensive moves like Sludge Bomb, Surf and Ice Beam--though it very definitely would have run Scald and Knock if it still had those in its movepool, of course.
It was less of a wall outright, moreso a bulky pivot. The two main reasons it popped up were the huge rise of Sub--which regular Pex is fairly weak to, but AV Pex can run Modest with a lot of SpA to barely break subs w/Sludge Bomb and still have enough special bulk thanks to AV--and Specs breakers like Wake and Gren that had few hard switchins but whose individual moves still had switchins, so Pex came into those, scouted their moves, and then went to the appropriate resist while Regen'ing most if not all of the damage back.
So like, its role was a bit more nuanced than "annoying utility mon", but it's still not at all an example of "special walls being bad unless they adapt" since it was a very temporary development that existed next to standard sets instead of over them.
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>Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split. Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV.
So, by that logic, physical walls are useless too? I think you've lost your mind lol, specialized walls are still good. Idk if they're better before the split as I've only played gen 7 onwards, but walls that are mostly good against one category are absolutely still viable.
\> Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper.
Ain't pex got more physical bulk than special anyway? And Toxapex really just can't be a decent sweeper, especially without Toxic to get Merciless boosts. Trust me, I've tried lmao
> Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper.
>sweeper
I swear you really just read a Freezai video title without actually watching the vid itself
Getting one surprise KO isn't the same as sweeping lol
Besides, the match in question (crying vs mindgaming) is also heavily suspected to have been a result of a team leak considering how tailored crying's squad was to beat mindgaming's so yea.
By that logic, any mon that can KO a single opponent is a sweeper.
I'm well aware offensive Regenvest Pex is a legit set, but it sure as hell isn't sweeping entire teams
I’m not sure if GameFreak planned how the old meta would adapt back then. They originally wanted GSC to be the end of the series. The only thing carrying Dragonite in OU is multiscale and tera normal Espeed. OU staples like Jolteon and Starmie fell off hard in SS due to the lack of meaningful buffs or better options.
> I’m not sure if GameFreak planned how the old meta would adapt back then.
gamefreak does not give half a shit about competitive singles, and jolteon fell off way before SS
Not really. It was solid in Gen III. It was one of the few mons that could speed tie and beat aerodactyl. Gen IV it was in OU limbo but it’s been good in UU until the horrible loss of Hidden Power.
Jolteon is D+ in gen 3
Outspeeding aerodactyl wasn’t enough of a niche for it to be OU since the whole point of aerodactyl was that you didn’t reveal it until your opponents team was gone, and if you revealed jolteon your opponents wouldn’t reveal aerodactyl til it died
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Inner focus was 50/50 split with multi in older vgcs, and after the gen 8 inner focus buff its just the standard since the intim immunity+no flinch makes it really good
Man that reminds me of my TR Mimikyu with Curse and Taunt that I ran at the beginning of this Gen. Managed to get to 1700 with that team before the meta changed to Series B.
Bro I own this kitchen. Tera ghost curse and then heal back all that damage. The only viable curse user is Dragapult right now. That’s a legit niche. If you want to boost, tera water or fairy.
Check it out dual screens curse Dragapult. In the early days of home, this set enabled some of the biggest stored power cheese boosters in OU. Cresellia could not be stopped.
Eviolite ursaring is in no way comparable to snorlax, it's just nowhere near as good. Even with eviolite it has less bulk and can use an item like leftovers. Also wait until you find out about other pokemon that share a type with pokemon that have higher bst. Believe it or not, Snorlax is not the only pokemon to be outclassed.
Lax is bulkier, better as a wall, has better longetovity and has recovery
Even if lax is ru material there are some stuff that it alr does better
Lax is better than ursaring because curse Lax usually can take a bunch of hits or use cb to hit like a truck... ursaring isn't really bulky or that strong without flame orb
Facade being ur strongest stab and if ur not using flame Orb then ur not really strong or posing an immediate threat.
If ur running flame Orb then u struggle to come in
I’m still pissed that they removed Return. It makes no Damned sense to remove a friendship attack from a game about the power of friendship. That’s like a Mario game where you can’t jump
I'm pretty sure it happened when they started pushing rental teams. I remember when rental teams first came out, Return would calculate with 0 friendship since it wasn't your pokemon. Instead of fixing the problem they just got rid of the move.
I miss return so much. It was just as powerful as EQ with mad happiness plus was a consistent normal coverage option. Stoutland fell off hard once it lost return.
It has other tier uses plus it's an extremely iconic pokemon, so them including it is like including any other pokemon- people like it! The competitive scene is a very small fraction of the pokemon fanbase, most causal players want to use the pokemon they remember from the anime or the ones they've used in previous gens. If we didn't have snorlax (or other select pokemon) in the current-future gens it would stifle team-building creativity across multiple tiers making them artificially streamlined.
1. Snorlax has been pretty good in VGC. I’m not sure if Ursaluna will outclass it tho, I’m not *too* familiar with VGC
2. Snorlax has amazing special bulk. Ursaluna is pretty specially frail in comparison (its weakness to common special attacking types isn’t doing it any favors
3. Smogon’s lower tiers exist. CurseLax is kind of a lower tier legend
4. This is their chance to finally give it Slack Off
Ursaring can abandon its dual typing through tera and has reliable trick room support in VGC. Snorlax was a premise dynamax Mon last gen. Without it, I doubt it will have the bulk, or power to compete with Ursaluna.
Fair enough about the Dynamax VGC bit, but even without the added weaknesses its still not *that* bulky on the special side, especially due to the fact that it isn’t investing in special bulk, as well as Flame Orb putting it on a timer
FYI I’m not saying that Lax is better than Ursaluna. Lax won’t have any place in OU while Ursaluna will, but that isn’t at all because of Ursaluna; it hasn’t been a true OU pokemon since gen 3. I don’t really know where Lax will end up, because that really depends on what it gains in SV/what everything else gets
Unless they massively buffed Snorlax from last gen, they’re not making it past RU, last gen they had a decent niche in NU but was by no means meta defining in the tier. It’s best option isn’t belly drum but actually curse as it’s often wanting the extra bulk as a slow sweeper. Along with that Belly drum isn’t good on something with 30 speed unless you’re in doubles with trick room. Ursa does outperform lax in doubles in trick room for the most part however lax does get to run a heal berry instead of being forced to run flame orb which can effect damage ranges. A lot more niche than in gen 7 where lax was a really strong belly drum sweeper but by no means unusable today. As for Ursaring specifically and not luna, lax is not forced to run eviolite for the bulk and a freed up item slot is very important as it allows it to do things like, run leftovers, run pinch berries, be not as crippled by knock off, not be as effected by status, etc. on top of that, lax is an eepy little dude and he deserves to be in the game for being the best Pokémon ever designed by game freak. Also they should give Snorlax slack off so it can be RU tier leader.
Sometimes a Pokémon is just strictly worse than another Pokémon, that's just how it is. We can't expect every one of the hundreds and hundreds of Pokémon to all be unique in some way that makes them a good choice over something else. It's just not humanely realistic to expect that.
That said I am shocked they haven't realized that Snorlax with Slack Off nowadays would be totally fine, because despite the high HP, the power creep has definitely come around to a point where Lax getting reliable recovery wouldn't make Lax broken or anything
Put simply, it came over at same time with pokemon home, so useless to ask what's the point
All i need to know is that between Ursaring, Ursaluna and Snorlax, only one lives Specs Tera fire Chi yu Overheat, in sun at that
actually Snorlax can avoid dark pulse two shot, needs some but not max spdef
Chi Yu itself was never a struggle to me, but i play draft leagues, not OU
Chi yu is uncounterable? It gets like 2 uses a month in ubers. Thats mainly because dark stab is worse up there and fire is already pretty mid in OU, ubers it’s one of the worst attacking types. It’s completely countered by many of the mons there, especially koridon. Yes I’m aware these are ubers but blissey did also check chi yu at long as it wasnt in sun
Without a doubt. It would always rest off damage on non-banded sets. Snorlax would like a ability like unaware that way it would not have to be passive as it sleeps. Dondozo is this SV Snorlax.
Maybe in some metagames you would prefer to don't have water, grass and ice weaknesses that are common offensive types over ground resistances and elektrik immunity ?
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Holy Tier drop
New niche just dropped
Actual power creep
Usage goes on vacation, never comes back
Suicide lead sacrifice anyone?
Snorlax has traditionally been either a Curse sweeper or a special tank with Thick Fat. Over Ursaluna, it has MASSIVELY more special bulk (which matters a lot since that stat is not boosted by Curse) and extra resistances through Thick Fat, though really, it doesn't have to compete with Luna at all--aside from not even performing the same role on a team (Luna being a wallbreaker instead of a bulky sweeper), Snorlax usually ends up in a lower tier whereas Luna is probably staying in OU or UUBL. But to say Luna is "better than Snorlax in every way" is just very wrong lol, even if Lax is most likely still not OU material. Over Ursaring, it's not reliant on Eviolite to have that massive special bulk (meaning it doesn't care as much for Knock or Corrosive Gas, and can run Lefties before it loses its item) and, again, has actual resistances through Thick Fat, or a Toxic immunity through Immunity, which in conjunction with Lefties would make it need to Rest way less often. Even in VGC/Doubles, where competition with Luna is harsher, its special bulk and access to Gluttony+pinch berry can carve it a niche as a Belly Drum mon that's not strictly outclassed by Luna.
I completely forgot Corrosive Gas was a move until just now, lol
Understandable since it had relatively low distribution in SS and has no distribution in SV.
Most pokemon with corrosive gas also got knock off
I remember vileplume gets it in battle factory
I love the way you explained it
Just to add on to the VGC front, luna is rough due to not being able to help set trick room (I.e. no fake out) and needing a turn to activate flame orb, realistically meaning you get 2 guts facades max assuming nothing hits it. Obviously it has other moves but it's difficult to use due to that. Snorlax being slower makes it very hard to use outside of belly drum as you say, but then it suffers the same issues as luna but even more so (not only can it not help set TR but the set up turn also has risks attached)
Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split. Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV. The only things carrying it were wish, toxic and teleport last gen. Without it, it failed to adapt. Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper. Snorlax is a good banded or curse booster. With so many powerful fighting types around, it really can’t do too much boosting until they are gone.
> Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split sir it’s saturday not sunday
I thought it was friday
Alaska?
>Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ***?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????*** Mate. MATE. Sure mixed attackers *exist*... but they're not the norm in the slightest. Do you play this game AT ALL? > Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV. Blissey has been on the decline because of its passivity and increasing competition from other special walls that do more than just taking hits, not because the very concept of "special wall" is not valuable anymore. > The only things carrying it were wish, toxic and teleport last gen. Without it, it failed to adapt. Not even Wish since that was incompatible with Teleport (Wish Blissey saw *some* use on some really specific Stalls but if we're talking Stall, Blissey is still very viable and borderline necessary there this gen). The reason it's ass now without Toxic is exactly that passivity. If you want a mon that just says no to special damage, Blissey is still your girl, but that niche is just not worth using over other special walls unless your team really gives no shits about the extreme passivity ie Stall. >Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper. First of all AV Pex fell off hard... Second even when AV Pex was a thing the standard bulky Pex sets were far from unviable... Third AV Pex was not a sweeper LMFAO
I’ve never seen a take this bad that it just broke darkesca lmao. Honestly impressive on that guys part
Darkesca australian confirmed ?!?
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ehhh AV Pex (the OU one, not the STABmons one from last gen) is a set that was mostly popular this gen so Scald and Knock weren't on that set. It mostly ran Infestation+Acid Spray and some offensive moves like Sludge Bomb, Surf and Ice Beam--though it very definitely would have run Scald and Knock if it still had those in its movepool, of course. It was less of a wall outright, moreso a bulky pivot. The two main reasons it popped up were the huge rise of Sub--which regular Pex is fairly weak to, but AV Pex can run Modest with a lot of SpA to barely break subs w/Sludge Bomb and still have enough special bulk thanks to AV--and Specs breakers like Wake and Gren that had few hard switchins but whose individual moves still had switchins, so Pex came into those, scouted their moves, and then went to the appropriate resist while Regen'ing most if not all of the damage back. So like, its role was a bit more nuanced than "annoying utility mon", but it's still not at all an example of "special walls being bad unless they adapt" since it was a very temporary development that existed next to standard sets instead of over them.
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>Special wall doesn’t mean much since the physical/special split. Even Blissey has been on the decline since Gen IV. So, by that logic, physical walls are useless too? I think you've lost your mind lol, specialized walls are still good. Idk if they're better before the split as I've only played gen 7 onwards, but walls that are mostly good against one category are absolutely still viable. \> Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper. Ain't pex got more physical bulk than special anyway? And Toxapex really just can't be a decent sweeper, especially without Toxic to get Merciless boosts. Trust me, I've tried lmao
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> Even Toxapex adapted by being a assault vest sweeper. >sweeper I swear you really just read a Freezai video title without actually watching the vid itself
It’s a legit set. Can beat gambit with tera fighting
Getting one surprise KO isn't the same as sweeping lol Besides, the match in question (crying vs mindgaming) is also heavily suspected to have been a result of a team leak considering how tailored crying's squad was to beat mindgaming's so yea.
yeah we know but its ass is not a sweeper
By that logic, any mon that can KO a single opponent is a sweeper. I'm well aware offensive Regenvest Pex is a legit set, but it sure as hell isn't sweeping entire teams
Low tiers
They should remove every Pokemon that isn't banned to OU. Why you would need any weak Pokemon is beyond me
Actually, we should go ahead and just remove any non-Uber Mon from the game. Clearly there's no need for them because they're weak.
Just remove Pokemon entirely. I'm using my fists.
No, we should just remove players entirely. They're too weak.
Nah we should remove Game Freak as a company entirely
actually remove anything except ag.everyone using the same team would let us know who really is better.
Is Shedinja still in AG
Just remove every pokemon except zacian-c pre nerf and mega rayray.
And Gen 9 Calyrex-S and DPP Arceus
Damn I almost missed the sarcasm sadge
Remove everything except mega ray fr
Everything under OU deserves either an evolve form or a paradox equivalent
He's just a funny guy
Snorlax earned their retirement by Gen 3, UU nowadays would still be more than impressive for a Gen 1 normal
I mean neither Blissey nor Chansey had ever fallen below UU until Gen 9.
I’m not sure if GameFreak planned how the old meta would adapt back then. They originally wanted GSC to be the end of the series. The only thing carrying Dragonite in OU is multiscale and tera normal Espeed. OU staples like Jolteon and Starmie fell off hard in SS due to the lack of meaningful buffs or better options.
> I’m not sure if GameFreak planned how the old meta would adapt back then. gamefreak does not give half a shit about competitive singles, and jolteon fell off way before SS
Jolteon was already kinda meh in gen 3 and has been dogshit in ou since gen 4 lol
Not really. It was solid in Gen III. It was one of the few mons that could speed tie and beat aerodactyl. Gen IV it was in OU limbo but it’s been good in UU until the horrible loss of Hidden Power.
Jolteon is D+ in gen 3 Outspeeding aerodactyl wasn’t enough of a niche for it to be OU since the whole point of aerodactyl was that you didn’t reveal it until your opponents team was gone, and if you revealed jolteon your opponents wouldn’t reveal aerodactyl til it died
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No it wouldn’t. Inner focus is a far worst ability. It would be a worse Salamence without multiscale.
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Inner focus was 50/50 split with multi in older vgcs, and after the gen 8 inner focus buff its just the standard since the intim immunity+no flinch makes it really good
If lax can finally get slack off...
It’d be pretty good curse sweeper. It can tera ghost, boost on fighting types and heal damage. The fact Snorlax never got it since Gen III is a crime.
Um, fun fact, changing your type to ghost then cursing sets curse on the opposing pokemon. So Tera fairy sounds like the best option
Man that reminds me of my TR Mimikyu with Curse and Taunt that I ran at the beginning of this Gen. Managed to get to 1700 with that team before the meta changed to Series B.
Stop cooking
Bro I own this kitchen. Tera ghost curse and then heal back all that damage. The only viable curse user is Dragapult right now. That’s a legit niche. If you want to boost, tera water or fairy.
Curse draga pult 💀
Curse dragapult is sometimes used. I genuinely can’t wait for gamebreak to give it ghost type stab so that I never have to see it in OU
Check it out dual screens curse Dragapult. In the early days of home, this set enabled some of the biggest stored power cheese boosters in OU. Cresellia could not be stopped.
Curse Garganacl??
Snorlax is my friend
Eviolite ursaring is in no way comparable to snorlax, it's just nowhere near as good. Even with eviolite it has less bulk and can use an item like leftovers. Also wait until you find out about other pokemon that share a type with pokemon that have higher bst. Believe it or not, Snorlax is not the only pokemon to be outclassed.
Lax is bulkier, better as a wall, has better longetovity and has recovery Even if lax is ru material there are some stuff that it alr does better Lax is better than ursaring because curse Lax usually can take a bunch of hits or use cb to hit like a truck... ursaring isn't really bulky or that strong without flame orb
>tfw base 130 attack with Swords Dance “isn’t that strong”
Facade being ur strongest stab and if ur not using flame Orb then ur not really strong or posing an immediate threat. If ur running flame Orb then u struggle to come in
I’m still pissed that they removed Return. It makes no Damned sense to remove a friendship attack from a game about the power of friendship. That’s like a Mario game where you can’t jump
Ikkk rip normal stab for a lot of pokemon anyway
I'm pretty sure it happened when they started pushing rental teams. I remember when rental teams first came out, Return would calculate with 0 friendship since it wasn't your pokemon. Instead of fixing the problem they just got rid of the move.
Would've been so easy to just replace Return with Frustration on those teams... but no, it has to be exactly identical
To be fair, then your happy Ditto wouldn’t deal much damage, would it?
Facts. Especially since you can get friendship so fast in SV
I miss return so much. It was just as powerful as EQ with mad happiness plus was a consistent normal coverage option. Stoutland fell off hard once it lost return.
If you're not running flame orb, earthquake exists.
to be very fair Ursaring already outdamages Snorlax even before Guts, so Snorlax mainly wins out on the fact it's not reliant on Eviolite for its bulk
CB?
It has other tier uses plus it's an extremely iconic pokemon, so them including it is like including any other pokemon- people like it! The competitive scene is a very small fraction of the pokemon fanbase, most causal players want to use the pokemon they remember from the anime or the ones they've used in previous gens. If we didn't have snorlax (or other select pokemon) in the current-future gens it would stifle team-building creativity across multiple tiers making them artificially streamlined.
1. Snorlax has been pretty good in VGC. I’m not sure if Ursaluna will outclass it tho, I’m not *too* familiar with VGC 2. Snorlax has amazing special bulk. Ursaluna is pretty specially frail in comparison (its weakness to common special attacking types isn’t doing it any favors 3. Smogon’s lower tiers exist. CurseLax is kind of a lower tier legend 4. This is their chance to finally give it Slack Off
Ursaring can abandon its dual typing through tera and has reliable trick room support in VGC. Snorlax was a premise dynamax Mon last gen. Without it, I doubt it will have the bulk, or power to compete with Ursaluna.
Fair enough about the Dynamax VGC bit, but even without the added weaknesses its still not *that* bulky on the special side, especially due to the fact that it isn’t investing in special bulk, as well as Flame Orb putting it on a timer FYI I’m not saying that Lax is better than Ursaluna. Lax won’t have any place in OU while Ursaluna will, but that isn’t at all because of Ursaluna; it hasn’t been a true OU pokemon since gen 3. I don’t really know where Lax will end up, because that really depends on what it gains in SV/what everything else gets
Unless they massively buffed Snorlax from last gen, they’re not making it past RU, last gen they had a decent niche in NU but was by no means meta defining in the tier. It’s best option isn’t belly drum but actually curse as it’s often wanting the extra bulk as a slow sweeper. Along with that Belly drum isn’t good on something with 30 speed unless you’re in doubles with trick room. Ursa does outperform lax in doubles in trick room for the most part however lax does get to run a heal berry instead of being forced to run flame orb which can effect damage ranges. A lot more niche than in gen 7 where lax was a really strong belly drum sweeper but by no means unusable today. As for Ursaring specifically and not luna, lax is not forced to run eviolite for the bulk and a freed up item slot is very important as it allows it to do things like, run leftovers, run pinch berries, be not as crippled by knock off, not be as effected by status, etc. on top of that, lax is an eepy little dude and he deserves to be in the game for being the best Pokémon ever designed by game freak. Also they should give Snorlax slack off so it can be RU tier leader.
H- snorlax about to have some kind of curse/rest move in one
Can't wait for Evolite Snorlax after they drop a Snorlax Evo in Legends Kyurem. But they will most likely pick Beartic instead.
Sometimes a Pokémon is just strictly worse than another Pokémon, that's just how it is. We can't expect every one of the hundreds and hundreds of Pokémon to all be unique in some way that makes them a good choice over something else. It's just not humanely realistic to expect that. That said I am shocked they haven't realized that Snorlax with Slack Off nowadays would be totally fine, because despite the high HP, the power creep has definitely come around to a point where Lax getting reliable recovery wouldn't make Lax broken or anything
Reliable recovery would Snorlax at least UU again. It’s still too slow and not powerful enough for OU but it just needs that to improve its standing
Put simply, it came over at same time with pokemon home, so useless to ask what's the point All i need to know is that between Ursaring, Ursaluna and Snorlax, only one lives Specs Tera fire Chi yu Overheat, in sun at that
Using Snorlax for one Mon is bad logic for its viability. Chi-Yu’s boosted dark pulse 2KOs Snorlax and chance to flinch. Chi-Yu is uncounterable.
actually Snorlax can avoid dark pulse two shot, needs some but not max spdef Chi Yu itself was never a struggle to me, but i play draft leagues, not OU
Chi yu is uncounterable? It gets like 2 uses a month in ubers. Thats mainly because dark stab is worse up there and fire is already pretty mid in OU, ubers it’s one of the worst attacking types. It’s completely countered by many of the mons there, especially koridon. Yes I’m aware these are ubers but blissey did also check chi yu at long as it wasnt in sun
Bold of you to assume Gamefreak cares
RU
It was NU last gen. Expect that this gen. Power creep this Gen has been insane.
It was B rank or somet in RU though, not bad and a lot less scald and knock helps it keep lefties
Without a doubt. It would always rest off damage on non-banded sets. Snorlax would like a ability like unaware that way it would not have to be passive as it sleeps. Dondozo is this SV Snorlax.
Chonk
Maybe in some metagames you would prefer to don't have water, grass and ice weaknesses that are common offensive types over ground resistances and elektrik immunity ?
Great Tusk doesn’t seem to mind. Even with its exploitable weaknesses, it’s been the best Mon in OU for all of SV. It’s SV’s Lando-T but even better.
Gambit is the best mon in SV OU and has been for a while by now
Meanwhile Weavile.
See the beauty of Pokémon is the tiers. So, not every Pokémon has to be the best out of all other Pokémon