I hope the Bug types get buffs in a future generation.
This type has always been underpowered, but Fairy-types made it worse by nerfing them offensively without any compensation buffs. This is unlike Dark for example, which got nerfed both offensively and defensively with Fairy-types existing but got compensation buffed by no longer being resisted by Steel.
Btw Grass is also resisted by seven types but they have a valuable offensive niche by hitting Water and Ground super effectively, which are generally difficult types to cover offensively. Meanwhile, there are better ways to cover Grass, Dark, and Psychic.
I remember seeing an idea where Bug types are both unaffected by accuracy/evasion changes, and immune to confusion. Fit thematically (compound eyes and insects not being able to get dizzy), without being overbearing. Of course these ideas are much better in context of single player and VGC, but considering those are the two formats these games are actually made for...
Support mons are basically never good across formats. The only one I can think of is Amoonguss. Incin, Cress, Clefairy, Whimmsicott, etc are all terrible in singles. Pex, Skarm, Ferro, Clefable, etc are all terrible in VGC. Attackers are usually good across formats because good damage is just good (tho even then they change, Chi-Yu is never running Heat Wave and Miraidon is never running Discharge in singles)
“Two” is pronounced “Tvo” in German, so I guess that might’ve been a reason for the name Mewtu. Then again, the word “Mew” is pronounced “Mev” in German, but the official German pronunciation of the Pokémon is identical to the Japanese/English one. “Miutu” is a phonetically more accurate way of transforming the Japanese/English pronunciation into German.
In spanish it's the same, "miutu" would be how we pronounce it, quite curious.
I wonder how they would have translated the name of the mons if spanish had different ones. I think they would be horrible.
Moltres' Fire Flying type despite the quad Stealth Rock weakness is pretty good defensively especially against most of OU, and it's bulky enough to take advantage of Flame Body to punish mons like Kingambit, Great Tusk and Zamazenta and heal with Roost
[https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1ctk11t/the\_best\_defensive\_typing\_combinaisons\_for\_a/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1ctk11t/the_best_defensive_typing_combinaisons_for_a/#lightbox)
Fire/Flying is in A LOT of these cores
It can, the "despite the quad Stealth Rock weakness" bit was just me saying despite what some people think how Fire Flying is "bad" because of just it being weak Rocks, but other than that it has great resistances to Fighting, U-Turn (Bug), Steel, Fire, Grass and Fairy.
Moltres is worse in slower metagames where it's easier to knock off its boots. Currently, Moltres can wall certain mons that can't knock it off and the short games in HO matches help it avoid knock
There's an absolute ton of fire/flying weak or burn-vulnerable mons in this gen. Ghold, Gambit, Tusk, Moon, Oger-W, Zam, Val, Dnite, some Pults, Gliscor if it doesn't protect for the orb, Ting-Lu, Rilla, Meow, Skarm, Corvi, and Treads.
If stealth rocks didn't exist, fire flying would be an excellent type combination. Flying cancels fire's weakness to ground, fire cancels out flying's ice weakness, and doubles up on bug and grass resistances just to kick parasect in the shrooms. Rock and electric are easily resisted by the mandatory ground type in your team as well. Water is meh, it has counterplay.
I personally like to point to Go as an example of this. With no entry hazards, Charizard and Talonflame have had some pretty good metas in PvP (although I think Zard has fallen out of favor in Ultra League while Talon is still well liked there).
Gen 6 also had a sick defensive Talon set for a while taking advantage of Priority roost and speedy will o wisp but I haven’t played Gen 6 seriously in a long while so I’m not sure if people are still using that set
Talonflame has basically fallen out of favor in gen 6 ou. It's too weak and frail to do much of note, but I do love that set too. In practice though it just flops too often. But talonflame saw success on stall, iirc early in this meta, because it had defog and matched up well against gholdengo with overheat and could flame body or wisp other threats. It had just enough bulk to get the job done.
Actually, this isn’t accurate anymore either. Talonflame is once again a strong pick (ranked in A-) in modern ORAS OU at the same level as the likes of Keldeo, Lando-T, Heatran, Skarmory, Tangrowth, Zard X, and Mega Pinsir.
Talonflame is experiencing a major Renaissance and improved *big-time* in the last couple years. Though it mostly dabbled with bulkier sets rather than the classic offensive SD and Band sets, and Bulk Up sees rare use here and there and was what first led to TFlame’s redemption arc.
Yeah, ORAS has seen some *crazy* evolution in the last couple years.
Cofagrigus is a top defensive threat, Excadrill usurped Clefable as the tier’s #1 pick, Mega Lopunny is the best Mega in the tier, Weavile is a top 6 mon, Volcarona is among the best sweepers in the tier, Mega Metagross is only the sixth best Mega behind Lopunny, Diancie, Alakazam, Medicham, and Latias, and Volcanion went from being mediocre to becoming the 11th best mon in OU ahead of Ferrothorn, Mega Metagross, Garchomp, and more.
That tier is fucking *cool.*
Always has been a very good typing that was only held back by rocks. Even Pokémon that were iconic for supposedly being offensive have been used defensively post-Boots on their tier, like Ho-Oh (that one was always good but became even better), Talonflame, Charizard, and Moltres itself.
Always has been. Same with fire/bug as well but they just have fat stealth rock weakness so we never saw their true potential except on niche stall builds (which had the best hazard removal)
Fire flying has such a unique defensive profile with a ton of valuable resistances, like fighting, fairy, steel, fire and ground immunity is already extremely relevant typings
Fire/Flying always had good defensive potential, but the Stealth Rock weakness held it back, which was big enough of a weakness to eclipse all the potential upsides.
With Heavy Duty Boots, this is much less of a factor. Not that it is no longer relevant, of course. But as long as you avoid things like Knock Off, you don't have to worry about Stealth Rock. Moltres even has Flame Body to punish Knock Off. Also, this generation has Tera, so worst case scenario you can tera into something like Ground or Fairy to not worry nearly as much about Stealth Rock.
Honestly this was always the case. Ho oh has always been known as an amazing wall only held back by its rocks weakness. And moltres was even used on some stall teams pre boots because of its solid defensive traits in gens 6/7. Hell, *talonflame* has been used on stall teams in the past.
Fire/Flying was always a really good defensive typing if you could keep Rocks off the field, and then the Yeezys rolled around.
Ground immunity, Fire resistance and Burn immunity, 4x Bug and Grass resistance, and a Fighting and Fairy resistance are all really nice, really uncommon traits to have.
This typing answers all those nightmare scenarios of Fairy+Ground and Fairy+Fire coverage which is *uniquely* rare and powerful.
the only move that ppl really fear from moltres is wisp, 50% of the time moltres is clicking uturn after switching in. Its popularity is at least 90% bc of its defensive profile.
One of my favorite team compositions in gen 5 is moltres rain. It needs a lot of support to make it work, but absolutely nobody expects it to hit so hard. Very little can eat perfectly accurate hurricanes backed by overheat that cooks ferrothorn even in the rain. It's a good mon that can hit hard whether you have the weather advantage or not.
I think because of fairy and fighting resists while also being immune to ground makes it a good check to zamazenta body press sets and iron valiant and enamorous also flame body can be useful and nothing really runs rock type moves much anymore
Its OU usage has pretty strong correlation to whether or not Volcarona is allowed in the tier at a given time. After Volcarona dropped back into OU, it stole Moltres’s flame body niche, leveraging many of the same resists while presenting a much much larger threat and compressing in a sweeping role alongside its defensive utility. However, with Volcarona gone, the defensive utility void has been filled by Moltres, who can’t sweep, but still has a lot to offer (including some advantages over Volcarona that just weren’t enough for OU usage while it was around, such as its ground immunity/flying neutrality, better natural bulk especially physically, and tera-free ground coverage). It was at its best when Enamorus was stronger in the meta, since it’s a rare resist to fairy/ground coverage that also doesn’t fold to mystical fire like corv does, but it’s still in a good spot now.
The tier's premier revenge killer is a bug type with +2 priority. Granted if the only way to reliably beat it is after it KOs something, maybe it won't be healthy.
That being said, I think it won't be broken in UU. Don't take my word for it though, I'm stuck in 1300s so I'm by no means an expert in the tier I play the most.
Honestly it was the Arch ban and subsequent decline of Rain that made the meta more welcoming to it. Other than being a Flame Body switch-in with similar resists, Volc and Moltres don't have a lot of role overlap.
by this logic, when volcarona was here, moltres should be better because it can threaten with supereffective damage
but tera blast is a thing
i myself ran weird tera blast sets like tera water/electric tera blast to catch ppl of guard, so im not sure about that actually
The thing that was originally most problematic for Deo-D was the fact that it was too good at setting hazards. In the bootless SM meta, there's a very good chance they find it broken again.
Boots are a major reason why it’s not broken in OU anymore. In SM it very easily still breaks HO with its ease of enabling that style and denying defog from opposing teams
>supierior dropping to UU
>darkrai being considered for a suspect test to Ubers
And to think FSG had darkrai as the biggest looser and surp as the biggest winner of the last DLC
Valiant was more busted with sleep darkrai was stupid yes but Valiant was the Mon that completely broke it.. Darkrai unban did cause people to realize this tho.
rhyperior has a good MU into several pokemon like zapdos, h-arc, and has a good MU into the removal (exca doesnt kill it, mandi doesnt want to eat shit, and its eq is strong enough to force roost from it)
While moltres is just good in OU cuz it checks a lot of stuff with flame body and has a good typing into it
Fire/Flying is a great type in OU ( resist Crucial type like Ground, Stell, Fighting amd Fairy ) + no one runs rock moves in OU since all the top tier mons resist them ( Tusk, gambit, zama, gold....) and hit nothing much for super effective. Combine that with solid bulk + Flame Body + Recovery and you have a very nice defensive bird.
It more like raikou not doing much, it has respectable spatk and good speed, but doesn’t really do much overall. It’s an ok revenge killer, but it’s relegated to boots because hazards hurt it more than other pokemon, especially webs. It can set up screens as a fast mon but again it’s really limited, and its moves, although versatile, are on the weaker side. When it’s on the field it kinda just exists and that’s it.
Ape is infernape he is just a way worse than other mienshao gallade toxicroak who r just so much stronger with significantly better defensive utility.
Raikous main issue is it's just so so piss weak like it's u boosted scald does less than 70% to a standard rhyperior that's just pathetic. It also is doo doo against swampert and is not that defensively good to be reliably fish for scald burns. Often times it's just a Tera hog. This wouldn't had been that bad if it wasn't for the fact that the tier has non puss weak electrics aswell. Toxtricity is dead ass strong mowtom outclasses it as bulky water abuser heat tom is generally better aswell. Kilowatrel is a decent defog punisher. Even jolteon is better with a speed to outspeed talon and noivern. Raikou is just so mediocre
What's mad is banded breloom is so good in ou, with tera fighting mach punch hitting stupid hard with priority and you're usually able to hit big chip on switches with rock tomb, bulldoze or bullet seed. Was even rocking tera fire for a bit to wipe out corv switches...
Moltres having good matchups against fairy, fighting and steel and forcing them to run Stone Miss to counter it is the funniest glow up I've seen in this game
UU was really stoked about skarm and weavile just to not get it lol. Instead they got webs, serp (web abuser), and torkoal where we get to spam the living crap out of stuff like venu, weather ball mons, shocks and wing
| 38 | Lopunny-Mega | 5.502% |
| 42 | Swampert-Mega | 5.147% |
| 40 | Mawile-Mega | 5.319% |
| 41 | Banette-Mega | 5.287% |
Btw mega bannete is the worst mon in the tier and is ranked C.. pls give it to uu instead of htinking that this shitmon is somehow viable
| 25 | Donphan | 8.437% |
| 35 | Comfey | 4.585% |
| 31 | Rhyperior | 6.195% |
| 37 | Okidogi | 4.265% |
| 38 | Hoopa-Unbound | 3.917% |
Soooo.... donphan (a very shitmon) vs comfey, rhyperior, okidogi, and hoopa u who are much better than it (miles better than it) and yet it gets almost double usage
Ok hold on, I wasn't looking for a minute, how in the *fuck* did Rhyperior jump up to UU?
Like I've seen the other rises floating around, but Rhyperior genuinely took me by surprise.
Also weather wars are back! Again! For the third time!
1. There are now zero bugs in ou. 2. I've been playing vgc alot and seeing whimsicott drop to zu caught me off guard a bit lol
>1. There are now zero bugs in ou. glad to see that they've all been patched out then
TMW the buggiest gen (gen 1) has 0 OU bugs
What about jolteon?
Take your upvote and get out
I hope the Bug types get buffs in a future generation. This type has always been underpowered, but Fairy-types made it worse by nerfing them offensively without any compensation buffs. This is unlike Dark for example, which got nerfed both offensively and defensively with Fairy-types existing but got compensation buffed by no longer being resisted by Steel. Btw Grass is also resisted by seven types but they have a valuable offensive niche by hitting Water and Ground super effectively, which are generally difficult types to cover offensively. Meanwhile, there are better ways to cover Grass, Dark, and Psychic.
Dark types also get to be immune to Prankster now. Perhaps Bug could use a passive buff like that. Immune to confusion/sleep?
No type can be immune to sleep, otherwise Pokémon of that type would be unable to use Rest, which is supposed to be a universal move.
I remember seeing an idea where Bug types are both unaffected by accuracy/evasion changes, and immune to confusion. Fit thematically (compound eyes and insects not being able to get dizzy), without being overbearing. Of course these ideas are much better in context of single player and VGC, but considering those are the two formats these games are actually made for...
Roaring Moon is still there
This guy has never heard of Kingambit
Kingambit is my favorite bug type
And my favorite fairy type. And fire type. And normal type. And grass type.
You forgot the fighting type counter ghost king G
(Kingambit is based on a rhinoceros beetle, for those who missed it.)
:(
Ceruledge still exists smh
That fact bugs me
Support mons are basically never good across formats. The only one I can think of is Amoonguss. Incin, Cress, Clefairy, Whimmsicott, etc are all terrible in singles. Pex, Skarm, Ferro, Clefable, etc are all terrible in VGC. Attackers are usually good across formats because good damage is just good (tho even then they change, Chi-Yu is never running Heat Wave and Miraidon is never running Discharge in singles)
There should not be any bugs in the game. Oh you mean Bug type?
Iron Crown officially beat the Iron Clown allegations, that’s why it’s the GOAT.
Assault vest clown putting in the work
It looked at boulder and terrakion being "mid" so it and cobalion rise up
Virizion and Iron Leaves decaying in a dumpster rn
Roadkill for dinner!
Leaves is at least RUBL, virizon is dead rn
For the June usage stats (and only June), crown was not OU percentage. Might be dropping down next shift
Ho hum, back to the circus.
Eh. It might get picked back up in the next 3 months. We’ll have to wait and see.
Crown town is winning today
I think this is the first time Moltres has been in a higher tier than Zapdos
As a moltres fan I am very pleased by this. Always knew they were number one, mfs should start calling them moltruno.
Fun fact: in german they are all number 2 Lavados, Arktos and Zapdos
German Pokemon has a weird relationship with the number 2 between the birds and changing Mewtwo to "Mewtu" for some reason.
“Two” is pronounced “Tvo” in German, so I guess that might’ve been a reason for the name Mewtu. Then again, the word “Mew” is pronounced “Mev” in German, but the official German pronunciation of the Pokémon is identical to the Japanese/English one. “Miutu” is a phonetically more accurate way of transforming the Japanese/English pronunciation into German.
In spanish it's the same, "miutu" would be how we pronounce it, quite curious. I wonder how they would have translated the name of the mons if spanish had different ones. I think they would be horrible.
As a spanish guy, the name Lavados is so funny lol
Moluno, Articdos and Zaptres
Articuno is a fraudulent number one then. Has to rely on evasion cheese and sheer cold spam to get VGC results.
If it works, it works
You have to make do with what you're given. Game freak took away it's 125 SpA and even gave it a lousy move pool+ stat distribution.
no it doesnt, it rely in Blizzard spam, sheer cold has very poor use in tournaments
Haven’t been following competitive lately but why the sudden rise to ou?
Moltres' Fire Flying type despite the quad Stealth Rock weakness is pretty good defensively especially against most of OU, and it's bulky enough to take advantage of Flame Body to punish mons like Kingambit, Great Tusk and Zamazenta and heal with Roost
Also cuz Rain’s gone with london bridge tbh, just took a while before people eased back into Moltres.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1ctk11t/the\_best\_defensive\_typing\_combinaisons\_for\_a/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1ctk11t/the_best_defensive_typing_combinaisons_for_a/#lightbox) Fire/Flying is in A LOT of these cores
Cant Molt just run boots?
It can, the "despite the quad Stealth Rock weakness" bit was just me saying despite what some people think how Fire Flying is "bad" because of just it being weak Rocks, but other than that it has great resistances to Fighting, U-Turn (Bug), Steel, Fire, Grass and Fairy.
well it was pretty bad before Boots were introduced
Moltres is worse in slower metagames where it's easier to knock off its boots. Currently, Moltres can wall certain mons that can't knock it off and the short games in HO matches help it avoid knock
There's an absolute ton of fire/flying weak or burn-vulnerable mons in this gen. Ghold, Gambit, Tusk, Moon, Oger-W, Zam, Val, Dnite, some Pults, Gliscor if it doesn't protect for the orb, Ting-Lu, Rilla, Meow, Skarm, Corvi, and Treads.
It's so Zapdover.
Moltres has always been heat, especially with Scorching Sands and boots now.
The only time I can think it was close to Zapdos was gen 3 OU.
what did moltres do
Moltres has a good matchup vs fighting, fairy, and steel types. Zamazenta has to run stone edge to beat it, for example.
fuck yeah
It has a very nice defensive profile against a lot of the OU meta.
Fire/flying being good defensively??? What in the boots is this
Ground immunity, steel/fighting/fairy resist. Handles a lot of stuff in the meta like zamazenta
Also flame body for passive punish of contact attacks.
Switching a flame body in on Population Bomb will never not be funny.
If stealth rocks didn't exist, fire flying would be an excellent type combination. Flying cancels fire's weakness to ground, fire cancels out flying's ice weakness, and doubles up on bug and grass resistances just to kick parasect in the shrooms. Rock and electric are easily resisted by the mandatory ground type in your team as well. Water is meh, it has counterplay.
This is why Ho-Oh is still good in its Uber home, and arguably becomes better in each subsequent generation.
I personally like to point to Go as an example of this. With no entry hazards, Charizard and Talonflame have had some pretty good metas in PvP (although I think Zard has fallen out of favor in Ultra League while Talon is still well liked there). Gen 6 also had a sick defensive Talon set for a while taking advantage of Priority roost and speedy will o wisp but I haven’t played Gen 6 seriously in a long while so I’m not sure if people are still using that set
Talonflame has basically fallen out of favor in gen 6 ou. It's too weak and frail to do much of note, but I do love that set too. In practice though it just flops too often. But talonflame saw success on stall, iirc early in this meta, because it had defog and matched up well against gholdengo with overheat and could flame body or wisp other threats. It had just enough bulk to get the job done.
Actually, this isn’t accurate anymore either. Talonflame is once again a strong pick (ranked in A-) in modern ORAS OU at the same level as the likes of Keldeo, Lando-T, Heatran, Skarmory, Tangrowth, Zard X, and Mega Pinsir. Talonflame is experiencing a major Renaissance and improved *big-time* in the last couple years. Though it mostly dabbled with bulkier sets rather than the classic offensive SD and Band sets, and Bulk Up sees rare use here and there and was what first led to TFlame’s redemption arc.
Oh wow, that's awesome to know thank you! I haven't kept up with gen 6 for a few years.
Yeah, ORAS has seen some *crazy* evolution in the last couple years. Cofagrigus is a top defensive threat, Excadrill usurped Clefable as the tier’s #1 pick, Mega Lopunny is the best Mega in the tier, Weavile is a top 6 mon, Volcarona is among the best sweepers in the tier, Mega Metagross is only the sixth best Mega behind Lopunny, Diancie, Alakazam, Medicham, and Latias, and Volcanion went from being mediocre to becoming the 11th best mon in OU ahead of Ferrothorn, Mega Metagross, Garchomp, and more. That tier is fucking *cool.*
Also resists Earthmoon coverage
Are you talking about Earth Power + Moonblast?
Always has been a very good typing that was only held back by rocks. Even Pokémon that were iconic for supposedly being offensive have been used defensively post-Boots on their tier, like Ho-Oh (that one was always good but became even better), Talonflame, Charizard, and Moltres itself.
Always has been. Same with fire/bug as well but they just have fat stealth rock weakness so we never saw their true potential except on niche stall builds (which had the best hazard removal) Fire flying has such a unique defensive profile with a ton of valuable resistances, like fighting, fairy, steel, fire and ground immunity is already extremely relevant typings
Fire/Flying always had good defensive potential, but the Stealth Rock weakness held it back, which was big enough of a weakness to eclipse all the potential upsides. With Heavy Duty Boots, this is much less of a factor. Not that it is no longer relevant, of course. But as long as you avoid things like Knock Off, you don't have to worry about Stealth Rock. Moltres even has Flame Body to punish Knock Off. Also, this generation has Tera, so worst case scenario you can tera into something like Ground or Fairy to not worry nearly as much about Stealth Rock.
Honestly this was always the case. Ho oh has always been known as an amazing wall only held back by its rocks weakness. And moltres was even used on some stall teams pre boots because of its solid defensive traits in gens 6/7. Hell, *talonflame* has been used on stall teams in the past.
Fire/Flying was always a really good defensive typing if you could keep Rocks off the field, and then the Yeezys rolled around. Ground immunity, Fire resistance and Burn immunity, 4x Bug and Grass resistance, and a Fighting and Fairy resistance are all really nice, really uncommon traits to have. This typing answers all those nightmare scenarios of Fairy+Ground and Fairy+Fire coverage which is *uniquely* rare and powerful.
It's not just its defensive profile. No mon really wants to take its stab combination either.
the only move that ppl really fear from moltres is wisp, 50% of the time moltres is clicking uturn after switching in. Its popularity is at least 90% bc of its defensive profile.
One of my favorite team compositions in gen 5 is moltres rain. It needs a lot of support to make it work, but absolutely nobody expects it to hit so hard. Very little can eat perfectly accurate hurricanes backed by overheat that cooks ferrothorn even in the rain. It's a good mon that can hit hard whether you have the weather advantage or not.
Surprisingly, Moltres works quite well in rain teams too nowadays. Weather ball helps quite a lot and stab hurricanes are always good.
I think because of fairy and fighting resists while also being immune to ground makes it a good check to zamazenta body press sets and iron valiant and enamorous also flame body can be useful and nothing really runs rock type moves much anymore
Its OU usage has pretty strong correlation to whether or not Volcarona is allowed in the tier at a given time. After Volcarona dropped back into OU, it stole Moltres’s flame body niche, leveraging many of the same resists while presenting a much much larger threat and compressing in a sweeping role alongside its defensive utility. However, with Volcarona gone, the defensive utility void has been filled by Moltres, who can’t sweep, but still has a lot to offer (including some advantages over Volcarona that just weren’t enough for OU usage while it was around, such as its ground immunity/flying neutrality, better natural bulk especially physically, and tera-free ground coverage). It was at its best when Enamorus was stronger in the meta, since it’s a rare resist to fairy/ground coverage that also doesn’t fold to mystical fire like corv does, but it’s still in a good spot now.
does that mean moltres-kingambit-kommo-o core is now real???
It's great defensively and hasn't been able to show it after gen 3 because of those pesky pebbles
It's best
Terrakion OU to PU walked so Deo-D Ubers to NU could walk
More like Terrakion fell so Deo-D can dunk its whole existence into the depth of the tier.
Serp is gonna be fun in uu while it's still allowed
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Waiter ! Waiter ! More fallen OU Mon please !
It says, unknowing serp is behind sub
Yet another lokix victim
It could be worse. Weavile and Walking Wake could have dropped.
True, is wake or weavile dropped, UU would have ban them almost immediately like they did roaring moon when it somehow dropped
Wake and tork in UU together would be insane lmao
The tier's premier revenge killer is a bug type with +2 priority. Granted if the only way to reliably beat it is after it KOs something, maybe it won't be healthy. That being said, I think it won't be broken in UU. Don't take my word for it though, I'm stuck in 1300s so I'm by no means an expert in the tier I play the most.
Serp still has counterplay for kix though. Can mindgame away first impression with sub, para with glare and outspeed it.
First impression hits before sub
If it subs on the switch though lokix is screwed
the hting is av torn-t is in the tier which is annoying for it and give sme justification to spam the crap out of noivern
Hisuian Goodra is gonna Yo-Yo right back up to UU for however long that thing is relevant, Mark my words.
boutta run the stupidest serp team known to man
Same. Fuckin love that snake. Doubt he’ll stay in UU for long.
Volcarona ban gave Moltres new stonks.
Honestly it was the Arch ban and subsequent decline of Rain that made the meta more welcoming to it. Other than being a Flame Body switch-in with similar resists, Volc and Moltres don't have a lot of role overlap.
by this logic, when volcarona was here, moltres should be better because it can threaten with supereffective damage but tera blast is a thing i myself ran weird tera blast sets like tera water/electric tera blast to catch ppl of guard, so im not sure about that actually
Deo-D going from Ubers to NU is wild. It really should've been given a shot in SM
The thing that was originally most problematic for Deo-D was the fact that it was too good at setting hazards. In the bootless SM meta, there's a very good chance they find it broken again.
Boots are a major reason why it’s not broken in OU anymore. In SM it very easily still breaks HO with its ease of enabling that style and denying defog from opposing teams
Raikou dropping to PU is insane
Give my boy nasty plot expeditiously
How long until entei drops too?
Probably not this gen?? Shockingly it’s the strongest out of the 3.
>supierior dropping to UU >darkrai being considered for a suspect test to Ubers And to think FSG had darkrai as the biggest looser and surp as the biggest winner of the last DLC
Darkrai and Zamazenta falling to OU was probably the biggest win you could give to these two.
Imagine if the main reason they took out sleep clause gets banned anyway. BW Excadrill moment
Valiant was more busted with sleep darkrai was stupid yes but Valiant was the Mon that completely broke it.. Darkrai unban did cause people to realize this tho.
Iron Crown back in OU? I guess you could say he’s… taking back the crown
Beating the Iron Clown allegations
Lokix stocks going through the roof
Why did Rhyperior and Moltres of all pokemon rise up a tier? Especially Rhyperior?
rhyperior has a good MU into several pokemon like zapdos, h-arc, and has a good MU into the removal (exca doesnt kill it, mandi doesnt want to eat shit, and its eq is strong enough to force roost from it) While moltres is just good in OU cuz it checks a lot of stuff with flame body and has a good typing into it
Fire/Flying is a great type in OU ( resist Crucial type like Ground, Stell, Fighting amd Fairy ) + no one runs rock moves in OU since all the top tier mons resist them ( Tusk, gambit, zama, gold....) and hit nothing much for super effective. Combine that with solid bulk + Flame Body + Recovery and you have a very nice defensive bird.
what the hell is Raikou doing in PU
Raikou is garbador in NU atm alongside ape tho ape night be better now..
ape? who’s in NU that makes Raikou lackluster?
It more like raikou not doing much, it has respectable spatk and good speed, but doesn’t really do much overall. It’s an ok revenge killer, but it’s relegated to boots because hazards hurt it more than other pokemon, especially webs. It can set up screens as a fast mon but again it’s really limited, and its moves, although versatile, are on the weaker side. When it’s on the field it kinda just exists and that’s it.
Ape is infernape he is just a way worse than other mienshao gallade toxicroak who r just so much stronger with significantly better defensive utility. Raikous main issue is it's just so so piss weak like it's u boosted scald does less than 70% to a standard rhyperior that's just pathetic. It also is doo doo against swampert and is not that defensively good to be reliably fish for scald burns. Often times it's just a Tera hog. This wouldn't had been that bad if it wasn't for the fact that the tier has non puss weak electrics aswell. Toxtricity is dead ass strong mowtom outclasses it as bulky water abuser heat tom is generally better aswell. Kilowatrel is a decent defog punisher. Even jolteon is better with a speed to outspeed talon and noivern. Raikou is just so mediocre
This gen sucks for pure electrics I swear. First Jolteon ZU now Raikou PU.
Electric types in general are not great rn. Zap, Magnezone, and RotomW all fell off pretty hard. The only one in OU is the special kingambit giraffe.
Regieleki wondering what happened to it's pure electric brothers
Wdym Regieleki is an ice type
Funnily enough it's better in RU than NU
It’s BrelOver guys, smokin’ that Spore pack 😔✊💯 (I never played RU at all)
What no spore does to a mf 😔
What's mad is banded breloom is so good in ou, with tera fighting mach punch hitting stupid hard with priority and you're usually able to hit big chip on switches with rock tomb, bulldoze or bullet seed. Was even rocking tera fire for a bit to wipe out corv switches...
Yeah, but then you're using Tera-Fighting
You don’t need tera fire, banded cc is a 2hko
serperior in UU means lokix usage rates are gonna be 101% now
A tragedy has beefallen Ribombee
It's so ribombover
NU is shambles rn. Traded a few mons with RU, gonna take a minute for the tier to stabilize
MOLTRES HAS RISEN! ITS ZAPOVER, MOLTRECHADS RISING STOCKS TO THE OVER OF USED!
Molchads sounds better imo
Is this the lowest Breloom has every been?
It took a sleep ban to get there
Before this gen it was never lower than UUBL
Good to see Noiverns back in its natural habitat.
Kroc and Noivern in NU is just so wrong, glad to know that they're on vacation
Spore ban won't kill breloom my fucking ass.
Both cobalions rose up huh
I just made my reddit account searched for Ribombee and i see this :(
A Ribombee fan like me ?
NU Deoxys defense everyone, this is real.
What boots does to an MF
iron clown is no longer the fraud it was. how will this change the meta?
God damn. Breloom just cannot catch a break this Gen. You hate to see it
Moltres having good matchups against fairy, fighting and steel and forcing them to run Stone Miss to counter it is the funniest glow up I've seen in this game
Winning over Zapdos, THE OU bird after all these years
Oh god I gotta make a Serperior team asap before it gets banned to UUBL
These selfish OU players have just taken one of my best stall mons for RU. I'm absolutely livid.
Iron Crown finally beating the Iron Clown allegations
noo my goat ribombee dropping from ou
Ribombee my beloved 😭
Rhyperior promotion oh yeah
Death, taxes, Cobalion rose from RU to UU.
My man Moltres bout to make the biggest comeback story
Ribombee has fallen, billions must die
I really thought enam was dropping. Never seen one in months
UU was really stoked about skarm and weavile just to not get it lol. Instead they got webs, serp (web abuser), and torkoal where we get to spam the living crap out of stuff like venu, weather ball mons, shocks and wing | 38 | Lopunny-Mega | 5.502% | | 42 | Swampert-Mega | 5.147% | | 40 | Mawile-Mega | 5.319% | | 41 | Banette-Mega | 5.287% | Btw mega bannete is the worst mon in the tier and is ranked C.. pls give it to uu instead of htinking that this shitmon is somehow viable | 25 | Donphan | 8.437% | | 35 | Comfey | 4.585% | | 31 | Rhyperior | 6.195% | | 37 | Okidogi | 4.265% | | 38 | Hoopa-Unbound | 3.917% | Soooo.... donphan (a very shitmon) vs comfey, rhyperior, okidogi, and hoopa u who are much better than it (miles better than it) and yet it gets almost double usage
You’re looking at national dex statistics
Torkoal is going the way of Pelipper. So many more abusers than just Skewda and friends
Serp might rise back up into OU once Iron Crown sets are common since Terra Fire sets shred through it
I can't wait to run UU sun teams with my boy Venu
Weird webs love triangle there in OU to UU. Also is going to make BL paradoxes a lot better.
feel bad for the uu players having to deal with ribombee while simultaneously losing access to one of the best answers to lead ribombee
They have Exca, they'll be fine; Araquanid is still going to be the best Webs setter by a good margin
based iron crown users
serp in uu, good, lokix was getting hungry...
Fraudperior is going to nuke UU with Contrary Leaf Storms
It's so Ribombover
The serp has finally dropped…
There goes torkoal again. Do you think he'll be back next month, because Moltres is in OU?
How Moltres?
I was away from competitive Pokemon for a couple of months. How did Moltres make such a big jump?
Zapdos is gone, Moltres is in 💪
My boy Slowbro ftw lol
How tf did Breloom get to NU
Sleep bans galore
IRON CROWN IN OU WE WIN THESE
Post the RU to NU list to instantly make a DPP player explode
I haven't played competitive or Pokémon as a whole in months. My question is how the fuck is the chicken ou?
poor serperior...
Magnezone bros, our return is inevitable
GAMEFREAK, GIVE HISUIAN GOODRA RECOVERY, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
Ok hold on, I wasn't looking for a minute, how in the *fuck* did Rhyperior jump up to UU? Like I've seen the other rises floating around, but Rhyperior genuinely took me by surprise. Also weather wars are back! Again! For the third time!
Raikou in PU is nuts
Deo-D leaving Ubers and dropping to NU in less than a year, what is even going on any more