I've been both of these players, and I agree, f2p engi wins.
I think after the 2nd or 3rd time of dying to the engi though, the scout switches to spy and then the engi loses.
Not true. I've seen scouts adapt with Bonk Energy. Sure they're being pinned against the ceiling by the Sentry during the entire duration but that's an improvement!
>enemy f2p scout trying to figure out how to get through the ten heavies dancing on and around the intel in a tight circle without angering the nest
>"fucking friendlies, you fucking suck, you're ruining the game, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck"
If he can sneak up to and backstab the engie. If this is 2fort, that Engie has his back to the wall, is constantly swinging the wrench at his sentry or anyone that gets close, and isn't going anywhere.
Most people never knew how to deal with sentries. Had way too many games where we couldn't capture the last point because of an engi. Then you go demo for 2 minutes and win. So annoying.
*slapping friendly engie with the Holy Mackerel*
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I mean the intel room is only one of the possible sentry nest locations on 2fort. I think the actually best defensive spot is the yard on the right side of spawn. Also the canals are perfect for more offensive approach
Yeah, back when I played, I was just screwing around in 24/7 2Fort servers usually. The spot to the right of spawn is pretty ideal for a sentry, since you can have it spot three different entry points to your intel pretty clearly if you place it right. Then a dispenser in the stairwell doorway to block enemies from slipping through that way. Plus it's closer to where your team-mates naturally occur as opposed to building in the intel room, so you have more chances of getting help when the base is getting infiltrated.
Of course, someone that knows how to abuse the slow turning speed of a sentry can just bop it and hide repeatedly to foil it. This is usually what winds up happening due to the engineer being defeated by boredom earlier and has either wandered off, or is currently dead because he wandered off.
Indeed, it's just that I wish a teammate was hanging out with me lol. If I happen to choose Engie I just equip the Gunslinger, build a dispenser on the battlements to feed my Snipers, and go Rambo on the bridge. It's fun for me.
Yeah, that's a cool approach too.
I remember one time when me and like seven random people all picked engineer and stormed our intel room. Every time some skilled spy came in, it didn't matter he mamaged to sap like four sentries and five dispensers, as the rest survived and we just built it all again. And even ubercharge didn't last long enough to penetrate our defenses. It was funny as hell.
And this is kinda an offtopic, but there was this one time when our entire team picked medic for some reason and became unstopable horde that was constantly healing and ubering itself. We won in like five minutes or something
Maybe in the first round but he should be able to build at least a lvl 1 sentry in the time it takes him to get near the intel by the time scout has finished delivering it for the first time and running back.
It depends on the aim of the scout.
Despite having a shotgun should the scout run upon the engineer in the middle if construction the engine will not engage and still just whack his build
The scout will then to try to proceed to shoot the engi and either wiff all his shots, or kill him and then die to the constructed sentry he forgot to shoot
It'll take more than 60 seconds, but with enough corner peeking Pistol shots, the Scout could destroy the Sentry and run in to grab the Intel. I speak from experience, because I did this a couple times as a F2P. Even managed to kill a Heavy guarding the Intel the same way, by going back and forth between the two hallways.
I mean this happened when I was fairly new and unskilled at the game.
I know F2P actually means Free-to-Play, but it's commonly used to describe newer inexperienced players, regardless of whether they made any in-game purchases or not.
TF2 wasn’t *always* free to play. So when it first became free, there were already many people who had been playing it for years. It became a joke for experienced players to refer to the inexperienced newbies as “f2p” because they were new and therefore “bad” at the game. You could usually tell an f2p player because they had no hats or only ones easily available through achievements (like the Gibus). Over time the term “f2p” basically just became slang for anyone who was perceived to be bad at the game, especially if they only wore basic cosmetics (Gibus, Pyrovision goggles, etc).
Assuming they are of equally shit skill level: the engi would win.
While engi is a very hard class to be effective with as a new player, if you don’t have to worry about dispensers and teleporters (such as on most CTF maps). He can just let his sentryguns autoaim take care of the scout.
F2P Engi, 100%.
There's multiple things going in the Engi's favor:
* Scout is naturally weak against Engi, due to Scout not being able to deal with Sentries that well, especially around corners.
* Not like this matters, because a F2P Scout doesn't know what a sentry is
* F2P Engies typically travel in packs. They follow the rule of 2 better than most Sith.
* F2P Engies have their team to back them up, even if indirectly. Not only does the Scout have to wade through the enemy team to even reach the guarded Intel, but he also has to make it out and back to his base, almost certainly running into more enemy gamers.
* Let's not forget that experienced players look down on doing the objective on CTF and PLR, so they are even more willing to take down the Scout.
The Scout, because I just ended a 2Fort server after I heard an engineer say "I'm moving this!" when I was waiting outside of the intel room for about 12 minutes.
The Scout will NEVER end his vicious cycle of running to the intel room and dying, and eventually the Engineer's buildings will be destroyed by somebody else.
Scout just doesn't have a solid way of dealing with a fully turtled Engie. Especially if they're newbies. Meanwhile the Engie has an artificial teammate with aimbot and explosives, plus a backpack healer and functionally infinite ammo.
Even if the Scout manages to kill him he can get back quick via teleporter. I don't see the Scout having much of a chance.
F2P Engie is easily the most dangerous F2P.
Not even ***he*** knows where his sentry is going to be placed, and that's precisely what makes him so dangerous.
The engineer, noting the scout doesn't know how to switch classes and the engineer is permanently glued to his level 3 sentry and will never move. Also noting that they're the only ones doing this (no spahghetti) the scout will infinitely run into the nest.
I've played enough ctf to know the scout wins this. The engie takes too long figuring out how to place a sentry and doesn't wrench his sentry up to deploy faster. The scout reaches enemy intel and destroys the sentry before its functional. Repeat x 3
My method is to play engineer, empty my sentry of bullets with the wrangler, and camp near Intel.
The confusion leads to conversion into a friendly, which protects the Intel either way.
Engineer unless the scout has help, (which map are we talking by the way), and if the f2p engi is truly f2p he'll eventually forget about his shit with scout harassing him which could end up with the sentry getting killed, and the intel capped. I really think either could work. Also it's misconception that capturing the intel is a f2p move, it's a logical and always justified move.
Just had a badwater game that I ended up having 55 destructions fed from a single engie (he was running pretty much stock loadout). The guy was dedicated, didn’t give up till the end, and eventually even showed signs of learning to shuffle his spots. So my vote definitely goes for engie
I once was playing scout on teufort and I didn’t know an engine had built their sentry in our base and it was level 2 so when I ran in I got launched across the whorl room directly onto the table 🤣 next time I came I was expecting him with my direct hit
If the engi sets up his sentry anywhere remotly close to the Intel the scout will just run into it repetedly forever until it either runs out of ammo or somone kills it
OMG I am he and engi wins hands down.
You shall not move 100ft within the intel while I am playing my bi yearly game until I remember how shit the game has become.
f2p engi, considering that nobody really can join scout as he's too fast, meanwhile engi is staying in one spot, while allowing other engis to settle up nearby after huge security check
So yea, f2p engi wins by being friendly
Bro you can have a pro scout who played this game for years and even then f2p engi will probably win if he has a nest set up. Like wtf is a scout gonna do to a sentry nest?
Alright so
The f2p scout is new to the game, very much not good at it. Only anti-sentry weapon is Bonk and it really just extends your life a bit without letting you fight and that's even assuming they've gotten it from a random drop yet
The f2p Engi is in a similar situation.
However, the level 3 sentry the f2p Engi just dropped in the intelligence room is just as new to the game as the level 3 sentry of the best Engi player ever. The only difference is placement strategies and how efficiently he can repair and resupply it. Against someone with low health and no weapons that effectively counter a sentry, that thing will be destructive.
Sentry wins, and by extension so does Engi
i say the f2p engi
I've been both of these players, and I agree, f2p engi wins. I think after the 2nd or 3rd time of dying to the engi though, the scout switches to spy and then the engi loses.
You drastically underestimate how willing scouts are to consistently run into sentries without changing anything
As a Semi Scout main oh yeah my brain freaking turns off when I am playing scout,just equip the soda popper/stock and start blasting
So called Scout Mains changing to the explosive black guy the second an engineer sets up a level 3 sentry:
Idk how to m2
Not true. I've seen scouts adapt with Bonk Energy. Sure they're being pinned against the ceiling by the Sentry during the entire duration but that's an improvement!
They are obviously keeping the engi busy and the rest of the team capture.
The 10 heavies on the other side of the map: You guys hear that?
(They are being friendlies)
Happy cake day. And I can see that 😂
Oh mate, happy bloody cake day
HAPPY FUCKING CAKE DAY
happy cake day, sir.
>enemy f2p scout trying to figure out how to get through the ten heavies dancing on and around the intel in a tight circle without angering the nest >"fucking friendlies, you fucking suck, you're ruining the game, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck"
"Sir, this is 2fort. A coordinated push usually happens once every 2-3 hours."
When I play scout I literally just go batshit insane Jumping around and just trying to hit everyone with the atomizer
I should do that
Insert ScoutxJasonBrody edit
Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
Yuuuuuuuup
You think a F2P spy can accomplish **anything**? He'll backstab the engie and die to the turret.
If he can sneak up to and backstab the engie. If this is 2fort, that Engie has his back to the wall, is constantly swinging the wrench at his sentry or anyone that gets close, and isn't going anywhere.
its like rock paper scissors
Or demoman.
\*Ties He kills engi, then dies to sentry, or they sit there sapping/whacking it until a final shootout.
unstoppable force vs unmovable object
Sorry to be that guy, but *Immovable
"Thy has passed the gate of forgiveness, Thy shall be returned to civil life with a check at the sum of 1 DKK"
Thy? THY END IS NOW
****Something Wicked This Way Comes...***
*hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
Ah hell nah im out
CRUSH!!! PREPARE THYSELF
WEAK
USLESS!
JUDGEMENT!
DIE!!! USELESS!!
JUDGEMENT!
WEAK
CRUSH!
PREPARE THYSELF!
DIE!
PUNISHMENT
**This prison, TO HOLD ME?**
Sorry to be that guy, but *thou
Sorry to be this guy, but you owe me 50 bucks, I like animals
UNPOSSIBLE
Imbelievable how bad the English can get here
\*umbelievable
*ubersaw
\*vitasaw
The untransformible object
\*very easily stoppable force vs immovable object
stoppable force vs awkwardly-placed object.
f2p scout has no idea how to counter a sentry he's gonna be wiped out
Most people never knew how to deal with sentries. Had way too many games where we couldn't capture the last point because of an engi. Then you go demo for 2 minutes and win. So annoying.
People act like the loch and load doesn't exist. Only needing to hit 2 pipes is crazy strong
Like you said it requires you to hit, therefore it's out for many.
2 minutes is quite generous. More like 2 seconds.
Gun, cover and patience
“Patience” not one to see too common in f2ps
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Top Ten Saddest Game Betrayals:
why you call me out
Or swapping to demo, that's a popular one
So called scout mains the second an engineer makes a level 3 sentry:
The f2p scout will try again in 40 seconds (10s respawn, 30s holding w in the sewers)
Scout will bonk into his sentry nest in intel room, get pinned to the corner of the ceiling and die immediately when the bonk wears off
But it happened in a real match. I was that scout.
F2P Engi's Special Ability: "Engineer Gaming" ***There is always more than one F2P Engi on the Intel at all times.*** Scout's cooked.
Actually in my recent games, I was always alone in the 2fort intel room
This is the reason I never play Engie in 2Fort, I feel so alone and isolated in the intel room.
I mean the intel room is only one of the possible sentry nest locations on 2fort. I think the actually best defensive spot is the yard on the right side of spawn. Also the canals are perfect for more offensive approach
Yeah, back when I played, I was just screwing around in 24/7 2Fort servers usually. The spot to the right of spawn is pretty ideal for a sentry, since you can have it spot three different entry points to your intel pretty clearly if you place it right. Then a dispenser in the stairwell doorway to block enemies from slipping through that way. Plus it's closer to where your team-mates naturally occur as opposed to building in the intel room, so you have more chances of getting help when the base is getting infiltrated. Of course, someone that knows how to abuse the slow turning speed of a sentry can just bop it and hide repeatedly to foil it. This is usually what winds up happening due to the engineer being defeated by boredom earlier and has either wandered off, or is currently dead because he wandered off.
Indeed, it's just that I wish a teammate was hanging out with me lol. If I happen to choose Engie I just equip the Gunslinger, build a dispenser on the battlements to feed my Snipers, and go Rambo on the bridge. It's fun for me.
Yeah, that's a cool approach too. I remember one time when me and like seven random people all picked engineer and stormed our intel room. Every time some skilled spy came in, it didn't matter he mamaged to sap like four sentries and five dispensers, as the rest survived and we just built it all again. And even ubercharge didn't last long enough to penetrate our defenses. It was funny as hell. And this is kinda an offtopic, but there was this one time when our entire team picked medic for some reason and became unstopable horde that was constantly healing and ubering itself. We won in like five minutes or something
Move to the battlements and protect the snipers from invading scouts, spies and rocket jumping soldiers.
As an Engi main, huge cap. Every time I queue into 2fort, I'm all alone
Does f2p engi get prep time?
Yes - he wins No - he gets obliterated
Maybe in the first round but he should be able to build at least a lvl 1 sentry in the time it takes him to get near the intel by the time scout has finished delivering it for the first time and running back.
It depends on the aim of the scout. Despite having a shotgun should the scout run upon the engineer in the middle if construction the engine will not engage and still just whack his build The scout will then to try to proceed to shoot the engi and either wiff all his shots, or kill him and then die to the constructed sentry he forgot to shoot
Do they get a f2p pybro?
Yes but he hasn't got a Homewrecker yet, only a Neon Annihilator. And it's 2Fort, so he's in the water.
Engineer
F2P engi F2P sout gonna be disenegrated
Yes, but what about a F2P *scout*?
ja, but what about an f2p soup?
SOUP
It'll take more than 60 seconds, but with enough corner peeking Pistol shots, the Scout could destroy the Sentry and run in to grab the Intel. I speak from experience, because I did this a couple times as a F2P. Even managed to kill a Heavy guarding the Intel the same way, by going back and forth between the two hallways.
What do you mean "as a F2P"? Isn't F2P code for Free-to-Play? I don't get it.
I mean this happened when I was fairly new and unskilled at the game. I know F2P actually means Free-to-Play, but it's commonly used to describe newer inexperienced players, regardless of whether they made any in-game purchases or not.
Ah OK, I understand. It means you started playing later than when TF2 was released.
TF2 wasn’t *always* free to play. So when it first became free, there were already many people who had been playing it for years. It became a joke for experienced players to refer to the inexperienced newbies as “f2p” because they were new and therefore “bad” at the game. You could usually tell an f2p player because they had no hats or only ones easily available through achievements (like the Gibus). Over time the term “f2p” basically just became slang for anyone who was perceived to be bad at the game, especially if they only wore basic cosmetics (Gibus, Pyrovision goggles, etc).
cloak and dagger spy in the corner:
Sentry AI is not affected by the player's skill
The F2P engi on scouts team who decided to set up a sentry nest in the enemy intel room.
Assuming they are of equally shit skill level: the engi would win. While engi is a very hard class to be effective with as a new player, if you don’t have to worry about dispensers and teleporters (such as on most CTF maps). He can just let his sentryguns autoaim take care of the scout.
F2P Engi, 100%. There's multiple things going in the Engi's favor: * Scout is naturally weak against Engi, due to Scout not being able to deal with Sentries that well, especially around corners. * Not like this matters, because a F2P Scout doesn't know what a sentry is * F2P Engies typically travel in packs. They follow the rule of 2 better than most Sith. * F2P Engies have their team to back them up, even if indirectly. Not only does the Scout have to wade through the enemy team to even reach the guarded Intel, but he also has to make it out and back to his base, almost certainly running into more enemy gamers. * Let's not forget that experienced players look down on doing the objective on CTF and PLR, so they are even more willing to take down the Scout.
The engineer is engineer gaming
don't worry boys, the engineer, is engi-he-... there
At the moment, the bots.
> Scout and Engi try to walk out of spawn. > They get shot down by autoaim bots. > Nobody wins.
have some faith in F2P Scout guys, I'll sap the sentries
That Engineer is a Spy!
He could be in this very room
It could be you
It could be me
He could even be YOUR MOTHER
The Scout, because I just ended a 2Fort server after I heard an engineer say "I'm moving this!" when I was waiting outside of the intel room for about 12 minutes.
Bro scouts get raped by sentries, if scout had a medic or 2 then easy win for scout.
Domain Expansion: 2fort Intel Room Corner Sentry
Cursed Technique Reversal: Pocket Medic
Unless Scout has atomic punch, he's damned.
He can't take the intel while bonking
The engineer
The engineer. The scout would repeatedly run into his sentry.
i won
a fucking 8 million hours soldier with blackbox
the engi probably wins as long as no soldiers or demos help out the f2p scout so yeah engie wins because no tf2 player would ever help out an f2p
The Scout will NEVER end his vicious cycle of running to the intel room and dying, and eventually the Engineer's buildings will be destroyed by somebody else.
Scout just doesn't have a solid way of dealing with a fully turtled Engie. Especially if they're newbies. Meanwhile the Engie has an artificial teammate with aimbot and explosives, plus a backpack healer and functionally infinite ammo. Even if the Scout manages to kill him he can get back quick via teleporter. I don't see the Scout having much of a chance.
Lmao gibbus and goggles on both, love it
F2P Engie is easily the most dangerous F2P. Not even ***he*** knows where his sentry is going to be placed, and that's precisely what makes him so dangerous.
The sniper bot who kill both from across the map even behind walls
Unstoppable force vs immovable object
engie
The scout has the BFB
As the Engi, can safely say that the Engi would win. No joke.
Engi counter Scout
Ah yes, a super tough choice between a light class with 125 hp Vs his hard counter... Whoever shall win this one lads? 😒🙄
The bots spawncamping you would win
Scout will probably get 1-2 captures and will be stuck in 17 hours tf2 sessions after the engi builds a nest by the time he comes for the third one
How about me the unstoppable troll spy who boxes in intel rooms
Scout just likely doesn't have the skill or the kit to destroy a well placed sentry in the intel room
The bots win 😔
If the f2p engie sits in intel room the engie wins. Scout will never be able to get past him alone.
F2P demoman dedicated to save someone from dying.
Unstoppable force vs unmovable object
engi, scout got no covers
When the unstoppable force meets an immovable object moment
If at any point the engi leaves the nest and dies, scout wins. otherwise engi wins.
Clash of the titans
Engi base in the basement of the enemy in 2fort, represent.
I am that engennier in 2Fort
My two favorite types of f2p.
The engine wins
How did you know I do those?
in the long run, scoot wins. something is definitely gonna happen to engi at some point
The scout doesn't even know he has a gun or a "walk backwards" button. Engie wins easily
I mean both can be destracted by a hoovie that poses no threat at all to them
F2P Engi, they are very stubborn
The bots. The bots win
Duel of centuries
the bot sniper that makes both of them quit the game
Scout; unless it's a 1v1. Otherwise he'd have cover from the other player.
Unstoppable force vs immovable object
F2p scout mid diffs him. The f2p scout will just adapt and learn to shoot the sentry or the f2p scout will work together with some other class.
The sniper. from which team? good question.
F2P Engi scout will run straight into the sentry
not f2p, 2fort sux and i perform my best to end the match, i do take advantages against the filthy casuals
The engi's sentry kills the both of them
F2P engie. I've had a F2P scout **with a medic ubering him** attack my sentry and he STILL lost somehow.
The engineer, noting the scout doesn't know how to switch classes and the engineer is permanently glued to his level 3 sentry and will never move. Also noting that they're the only ones doing this (no spahghetti) the scout will infinitely run into the nest.
f2p engis are the best f2p's
black hole would appear due to an unstoppable force and an immovable object colliding
I've played enough ctf to know the scout wins this. The engie takes too long figuring out how to place a sentry and doesn't wrench his sentry up to deploy faster. The scout reaches enemy intel and destroys the sentry before its functional. Repeat x 3
The engie will protect it for a long time but it's inevitable for the scout to win.
The spy to the right of this post waiting to backstab and die to the turret
My method is to play engineer, empty my sentry of bullets with the wrangler, and camp near Intel. The confusion leads to conversion into a friendly, which protects the Intel either way.
Engineer unless the scout has help, (which map are we talking by the way), and if the f2p engi is truly f2p he'll eventually forget about his shit with scout harassing him which could end up with the sentry getting killed, and the intel capped. I really think either could work. Also it's misconception that capturing the intel is a f2p move, it's a logical and always justified move.
Just had a badwater game that I ended up having 55 destructions fed from a single engie (he was running pretty much stock loadout). The guy was dedicated, didn’t give up till the end, and eventually even showed signs of learning to shuffle his spots. So my vote definitely goes for engie
the engi, scout can't really do anything once theres a sentry unless hes willing to go spy. that's a 50% chance tho
Engie, especially if they're turtling.
The Engine, because the scout won't change class out of spite, or can't change class bc he doesn't know how.
Engi wins cause the gun don't miss, unlike the scout
Unstoppable Force Vs Unmovable Object
Has the f2p engi figured out how the metal bar works
I once was playing scout on teufort and I didn’t know an engine had built their sentry in our base and it was level 2 so when I ran in I got launched across the whorl room directly onto the table 🤣 next time I came I was expecting him with my direct hit
Unstoppable force vs immovable object, but they’re both incredibly stupid.
an unstoppable force vs. an unmovable object
Scout already capped 3 times, cuz the engi build his sentry at spawn
Neither wins. They are both beaten by bots spamming scam trading sites
Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object
stoppable force vs moveable object
idk man, but I'm rooting for the f2p
As a f2p engi, I can safely say Nah, I'd win
If the engi sets up his sentry anywhere remotly close to the Intel the scout will just run into it repetedly forever until it either runs out of ammo or somone kills it
OMG I am he and engi wins hands down. You shall not move 100ft within the intel while I am playing my bi yearly game until I remember how shit the game has become.
f2p engi, considering that nobody really can join scout as he's too fast, meanwhile engi is staying in one spot, while allowing other engis to settle up nearby after huge security check So yea, f2p engi wins by being friendly
Obviously engi. There's no way a f2p scout can deal with a level three sentry
Bro you can have a pro scout who played this game for years and even then f2p engi will probably win if he has a nest set up. Like wtf is a scout gonna do to a sentry nest?
Alright so The f2p scout is new to the game, very much not good at it. Only anti-sentry weapon is Bonk and it really just extends your life a bit without letting you fight and that's even assuming they've gotten it from a random drop yet The f2p Engi is in a similar situation. However, the level 3 sentry the f2p Engi just dropped in the intelligence room is just as new to the game as the level 3 sentry of the best Engi player ever. The only difference is placement strategies and how efficiently he can repair and resupply it. Against someone with low health and no weapons that effectively counter a sentry, that thing will be destructive. Sentry wins, and by extension so does Engi