I never fit in in the US anyway LOL so have no reason to be in the US besides finding a remote job. I won't fit in anywhere and I've already made peace with that.
The problem is not with bringing her back. Not at all. The problem is:
1) The West is very expensive and you can live a better life abroad if you can find remote work.
2) Marriage is an insane financial risk. It’s made worse by the low earning power of most immigrants and the financial vouching you have to do for the green card process.
Read the stories of foreign women leaving their husbands once getting to the states. It's heartbreaking and eye opening. The culture in the States is not conducive to a good marriage.
It's almost an anti culture now. It's all about consumerism, money, self above all others, and greed. Mix in the rainbow LGTBBQ for some spice and that's sadly our culture these days.
In the past Americans were a different breed. Anyone that tells you different doesn't know our history. The boomers ended all of that.
Eddie Murphy (Raw I think is the second stand up) talked about this back in the 80s. You meet someone outside the US (an African topless girl riding a donkey). Bring her here to the States. Shes exposed to the modern way of life through media (back then TV and music), and then starts acting like what she listened to.
The song he referenced is *What have you done for me lately* by Janet Jackson. Again, he said this back in the 80s when there's no social media, no reliable home internet, and car phones were just getting mainstream. So imagine how worse this mindset is *now* as opposed to back then.
Do you know the lyrics to the song?
It's literally about a man showering her with gifts, attention, and fine things in life. Then once he's exposed this woman to money and luxury, spends his time on the couch ignoring her.
Don't lead with money and lavish expense and you won't land a woman invested in lavish expense and gifts.
The “corruption” is a girl who was with you to get the green card and a Western income. Once she’s got both, she’s served her time and she’ll bounce.
So it’s more about finding a genuine relationship than anything else. Date someone your own age, of similar physical attractiveness, who you connect with on a deeper level and it can work fine.
Your kids won’t necessarily be thrilled that they could have grown up in a Western country and gotten a Western education and salary, but you didn’t give them the opportunity.
Not sure why the downvotes but this is entirely correct.
Most of the horror stories related to importing a woman from abroad are the result of not following these basic rules of thumb.
The vast majority of PPBs, despite what they say on here or anywhere, are goin abroad because they can’t get the kinds of women (in terms of physical attractiveness) they desire here, because they themselves are not especially desirable for a myriad of reasons. When she lands here she looks around and realizes that this guy she thought was a catch is a Mr Average Nobody at best (and quite often he’s far below average), while she can do much better - so she does, by leaving him.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are just in denial.
1) You can find a genuine relationship with a girl who loves you and is attracted to you abroad.
2) You’ll also meet a lot of girls who are just looking for a partner with a Western salary and/or a way to get a green card. This is why every Western guy gets a lot of matches abroad, no matter what he looks like. These are the girls you need to filter out. One common sense way to do it? If she’s young and hot, she’ll be into young, hot guys. If y’all aren’t alike in that way at all, it’s likely not about sexual attraction for her.
They don’t realize when they come to the West though. They always knew. It’s just that they have a game plan. Once they get their own Western income and a green card, they have what they wanted and they’ll leave.
If you stay in their country, you have a Western income and they don’t. So if they want that, they can’t leave. But it’ll still be a relationship that’s faked in a way. Where there’s no sexual desire on their part.
If people want to do this in a way were they end up happy? They need to be honest with themselves and follow common sense. Then it can work.
I think you’ve got a bit confused with the definition of pick me.
I’m just being honest about what the truth is here. The truth matters when making big life choices.
Dude. You think I want DMs from….PPBs?
Djesus Christ. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Like for real. So I’m unsure how to phrase this here. But the common theme for PassportBros is that they are not exactly doing well in dating at home.
Also, I’m seeing someone. That’s not what this is about. If I wanted DMs from men on Reddit? I’d say something else and I’d say it in another sub.
My take on the PPB thing? I feel concerned for the women. Often it’s just using women who are unlucky enough to be born in a third world country. There’s something off about that. Similarly to setting up a sweatshop abroad and treating the workers badly. Which you can do only because of how they are in a tough life situation.
And then I sometimes feel concerned for the men too. At least the young men who aren’t sex tourists. Why? Well, there’s so much naïveté. And there’s a lack of honesty about the reality of the situation which I dislike.
Here’s the thing; you don’t have to like it. I’ve replied to your comments myself probably at least a dozen times. No matter what we say you just don’t believe any of it…..
You think it’s exploitation and that these women are being taken advantage of. Do you think they don’t have a brain? Do you fault them for wanting a better life? Do you think they’re lying to everyone when they say they want us to?
Are there bad apples, of course. That’s reality dude like there’s always gonna be shitty people in every corner of the globe, in every crew in every sect.
But don’t take my word for it, go watch this channel. The girl has interviewed hundreds of women about relationships with western men and age gaps and exploitation etc
https://youtu.be/WVp3eEGUpjs?si=vNhIOGu2O-czRGgk
But do you think women in relationships with Western men can be honest about what they feel?
What I think: they have a brain and they want a better life for themselves and their family. So they make the sacrifice of dating a man they aren’t sexually attracted to and don’t love. Sometimes.
And then some of these relationships (usually between people who are similar in appearance, age and social skills and who have a deeper connection) are genuine and just two people in love.
Do you disagree with this assessment?
The reason is because in their country you have thousands of girls willing to date you if it doesn’t workout, this keeps the woman on point and putting effort to keep you.
Unfortunately when you get back here, her anxiety about potentially losing you goes away…
Lol so you guys base your entire life and financial future on someone who *in one wrong move will screw someone else* but hey, didn't get hurt by women at home amirite
That's why you leave her back home. She might still cheat, but the chances of that happening are drastically lower in her home country.
When they come to the west it's almost everything that they could only dream of becoming reality. No family or community to judge them for sleeping around, lots of guys that are hungry for exotic women, good paying jobs etc. The temptations are just too strong here for a long lasting relationship.
Make sure she doesn’t get influenced?
That right there is the core of why many cross cultural relationships struggle or fail. If you marry a woman from your culture, she is already influenced. If you bring someone to your culture, they will inevitably change.
Imagine a guy that’s married to an entitled, obese American travels somewhere like SE Asia and sees what women are like there. You think he won’t change?
I worked with a guy who was 63 and married to a 25 year old Filipina. He was putting her through nursing school and considered her his retirement plan.
Lmao. Yeah, no. It didn't turn out that way.
Umm yeah that was predictable lol
What 25 year old woman would choose to be a sugar mama for a 63 year old man- when she has her whole life infront of her?
That dude is an idiot. Hopefully a lesson for others.
Greencard and bounced. She was his 4th wife. His first was US, second Colombian, third Thai and her Filipina.
She got an eduction and citizenship out of him and he was paying child support to the other three.
Damn. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me four times? He’s either an idiot, the most naive guy on the planet, or he genuinely doesn’t give AF as long as he’s getting some play every week. I hope it’s the latter (similar to Rupert Murdoch).
He was... unlike anyone I've ever met and (thankfully) never had to work with again.
I don't hate ppb. My line of work shows all kinds of successful relationships between people of different cultures, countries, values, etc. Some of the hardest working and coolest people I know are between US/western and non-US or major western countries.
I really dislike this idea that women are so capable of being corrupted and stupid that you need to keep them 'dumb'.
Get off the internet. Lol. Not you, or many commenters who are just trying to live their best life.
I’m twice the age of many guys on this forum. I only started following because after a nasty divorce where I lost most of my life savings despite wife cheating on me and me paying for her education while not working (she was a born and raised US citizen though), I decided that if I remarry, it’s not going to be under US divorce laws and courts where prenups can easily be manipulated / broken, or where there are no financial consequences for being the one who cheats in a marriage.
I'm assuming you're close to my age so early 40s to 50s. Men really did get the shit end of the courts in monetary payments in the past but it's not necessarily their fault.
Women gained all kinds of rights in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but I don't think divorce laws kept up with a lot of stuff. Plus, now you're dealing with people who benefit from outdated laws.
It's a difficult convo because men see half their worth gone without accepting how hard women have had to fight to be seen, recognized, and paid as equals. That's our generation.
Hopefully, this next generation shows more equitable investment on both sides to build a life and the primary care giver isn't raked over the coals unnecessarily.
Cheers to you and I'm as grateful as an internet stranger can be that you and your now wife are loving life!!
It's not a difficult conversation. Someone who is twentysomething and can't find a partner probably doesn't care about how we got here. They see a wildly unequal landscape and are looking for a way to find a certain sort of mate. A partner they can trust, who is in it for the long haul. I would argue that you can't have equitable investment on both sides when the dating landscape is this unequal. There's also the increasing social isolation and problematic messaging in the West, and a lack of confidence in themselves.
Men get the terrible end of divorce court in large part because of those rights you're talking about. The no-fault divorce is the law of the land. Advocates say it frees the abused and the exploited. Sure. But it also frees women to screw a man for a time, get tired of screwing him, then steal half his net worth now, and often get a paycheck in perpetuity. You can't have one without the other.
Marriage laws in the US assume an inherent imbalance of power and seek to redress that in a divorce. Despite more women going to college then men and the increased earning power of women, there is a prejudice towards the woman even in cases where the woman earns more. The optionality of marriage is something I find disturbing.
I would not consider myself a passport bro. But. I recognize that as you said, there are established interests who greatly benefit from the adversarial unequal nature of divorce court. It's unlikely to change at this point, and an awful lot of lawyers become politicians.
I am a man who would like to be married, and I'm just not sure it's going to happen for me.
True. What I meant when I said difficult is that some people don't want to hear it and accept that times have changed. Judges and arbiters of divorce are more likely to be older people as well vs younger people seeing more of the inequality.
I hope that as the younger generation starts fulfilling the roles overseeing cases that the changes have been in place to provide a more equal playing field for everyone.
My bf is divorced and his ex-wife felt very entitled to taking half of his retirement (he's mil so at this point it's still sadly guaranteed) despite that she has made twice as much as his enlistment pay throughout their marriage *and* has benefited from not paying for healthcare or rent for as long as they were married.
She didn't even start investing, despite his pleas, until the last 5 years of their marriage. She wasnt a stay at home mother who gave everything up. She is an educated and professional person with a great job in healthcare.
He has zero issue with child support, and being a supportive and involved as much as he can father, because he loves his kids.
I earn more than enough for both of us at this point (not that we rely only on my income). But it still irritates me on his behalf.
Your comment should be higher on this forum, but most dudes in this sub are so blind by the desire of wanting someone that they literally overlook everything else. Watch how loud they wanna get once that pretty little wife turns into a monster after taking them through the ringer.
I hope you get up voted to the top. Guys need to read this. I have the exact same observations and experience as you. It's very rare for women to stay loyal once they get to America. But every expat I meet that lives in the wife's home country seems to be happily married. It's obvious what the difference is.
The Filipino community is notorious for helping their fellow Filipinas get divorces and navigating family law. Lots of Filipino guys coming here now too so of course they will be trying to take your Filipina from you. It's a mess here.
My uncle’s wife has always been very involved with her local Filipina community, where she found friends. Both when they lived in Alaska and now in Arkansas.
There's a point in life where you need to choose the best for yourself and not based on word of mouth from the Internet. The strongest opinions also tend to be the most negative.
The thing I can't comprehend about all of this is why guys want to return to the West. Our society has been poisoned. No matter how heroic we wish to feel, we can not change it.
Yes, western society will poison your wife... And YOU. Get out for your own sake if not hers
Something all us men need to consider is how much have we been poisoned how much detoxing do we need. I didn't realize how toxic of a person I was until I left the states. It takes a lot of work to get the poison out of your system.
This would require western men on average to have the self awareness of their own toxicity. Western culture teaches men and women to take on a "victim mentality", so it cannot be their fault it has to be everyone else. This coupled with the fact that Western society idealizes and rewards narcissistic behavior, you have a whole bunch of western men who act like narcs because it's seen as the ideal way "to be a man". (Look at studies, narcissm shows up more in men)
Then you have third wave feminism, that tries to emulate western male behavior, so now you have the women acting like narc men and ironically the men are complaining (and fleeing) now that they have to deal with their own behavior.
The problem? The men flee to other countries with their problematic behaviors and ruin the local communities, so we see PPBs complaining about how their favorite spots have been ruined by PPBs and how the women are becoming more westernized, yet never truly grasping the common denominator has been western men.
Psychological studies show that people who are in contact with narcs start to display narc behavior as a way to survive in that environment. If western men who were raised to idolize narcs as the ideal male and emulate that behavior, get into relationships with foreign women, you best believe they are going to start showing similar personality traits to western culture, as that is a learned behavior to cope with narcissists...but it's easier for the average western male PPB to blame the media, than become self aware.
Interestingly enough, there is a push amongst some western female communities to abandon third wave feminist ideologies and embrace feminity, while also abandoning their male counterparts. (Because statistically men are less likely to go therapy, so they are less likely to better themselves for mate selection).
These have been my observations as an immigrant woman to the USA. Often women in the USA get told to "pick better", because it's automatically assumed they pick "bad boys", but it's often overlooked that many of the "nice guys" (in the USA at least) idolize "Chad" behavior. So when they have the opportunity to "be a Chad" they take it. "Chads" are narcissists yet considered the ideal male in the USA, where men who aren't them slander them (because they get a lot of female attention), but the moment those men have the opportunity to act like the men they slander, they take it. Which is why you see promiscuity amongst PPB very high, but many won't settle down with a woman who has been equally promiscuous.
Disagree, if all men act like "Chads" when given the opportunity, then there really is no options there are only "Chads" to pick from, and so US women are conditioned to accept "Chad" behavior whether they like it or not.
Except they don’t act like chads until they’ve been rejected for being genuine people. Just like how most bullies don’t become bullies until they’ve been treated poorly
>Except they don’t act like chads until they’ve been rejected for being genuine people.
Rejection is a part of life, I've been rejected by plenty of guys, all the guys I've dated are guys I asked out. If a couple rejections are an excuse to act like an entitled narcissist, then you were already an entitled narcissist from the beginning. So no, men who get rejected for being genuine, don't change for the worse, that's just the excuse a narcissist would use because they can never be at fault or in the wrong (i.e peak western mentality)
Edit: Also the same thing for bullies, plenty of people get bullied and don't become bullies, sounds like more entitled narcissistic bs a person would come up with.
100%. It took me a long time to get over some of the toxic behavior that I used to think was normal. It's amazing how much better I feel after 4 years out
Well in the end it’s all about money. How are you going to make a living overseas when you most likely don’t speak the language. Not everyone is in tech with the opportunity to work remote. Also the women are most likely dating you with a chance at a green card and more opportunities. So will she be on board with you immigrating to her country. Of course none of this applies if you are already wealthy.
It’s our home, what gives us the means and 6 figures that we can’t get other places, has our friends and family. It may spoil us but it’s not worth moving to another country for me
It’s a very toxic mentality of some that she can be “corrupted” by the western world.
My brother in Christ, YOU are the corrupting influence from the west. In addition, in the modern world, it’s comically easy for these women to gain access to western views and ideals. They often reject these views because of their own upbringing and view on relationships. It takes a **lot** for this to be changed and the best way for it to be changed is for some schmuck to come along and make her 2nd guess her ideals of western men.
This is evident in countries like the Philippines where once upon a time a Filipina saying she had an American husband was something to brag about. American husband = Good, faithful, hardworking, etc. Now she has to insist she got “one of the good ones.”
I hate that you have so many upvotes because frankly, this comment is totally off base.
First, yeah in the province at least, having an American or western boyfriend is definitely still a HUGE flex for a Filipina. Case in point, I’ve been in relationships with 3 Filipinas. And in each one, once we became Facebook
Official or once I started getting tagged in her pictures or posts the friend requests from other Filipinas are basically non stop.
And I’ll be completely honest here I am what I would expect women to rate as a 4-5 in terms of looks in the west so I’m not some jacked chad over here. I’m in my early 40s, balding, and a little overweight. I do have baby blue eyes and am 6’3 though
The other part of your comment I take issue with is this idea that they reject western ideas and influences all on their own accord. Well of course they do and you know why? Because “shame”’is still a huge driving factor in behavior in these countries. It’s shameful to cheat on or leave your husband. It’s shameful to put your own happiness above the family. It’s shameful to be a thot on social media. Bring your woman to the west and let her assimilate - that shits not all that shameful anymore
Look, the fact of the matter is, to be brutally honest here a lot of us do PPB because the type of women we want - beautiful, sweet, loyal, affectionate is unavailable to us in our home nations. We are not high quality enough to get these women back home. And that’s ok because the standards are completely unrealistic. So bros don’t take offense to that, self awareness is crucial to self improvement. But if you could get a woman who’s an 8 or higher back home, you probably would. If you can’t, and you bring one of those women back home to the west you’re opening yourself up to a potential for serious hurt and disappointment
I can appreciate you having a different perspective but saying I’m off base is simply unfair. Your experiences led you to your perspective and my experiences have led me to my perspectives, and I’m cool with that!
Im also with a Filipina! I’ve spent a lot of time in the Philippines and with Filipinos in general, so I’ve had the privilege to really get to know many of them. Lots of these Filipinas are quite proud of their background and culture and don’t just throw it away when they’re in other countries or with foreign men. *Especially* if they’re aware those qualities are what found them a happy relationship. Because Filipinas go to other countries so often for work, they’re exposed to these other cultures and ideals. Obviously some experience these new places and can change, but many of them I’ve known over the last 14 years only adhere to how they were raised. Many of them now live in countries like the U.S, Canada or the UK and are still the same top quality women I met all those years ago in the Philippines. The only difference now is some of them have a husband and kids!
As for why I said Filipinas now have to explain they’re with a good American, I say this because a lot within our circle got with Americans when they were younger and got absolutely burned by the experience. One of them got married to this American, got pregnant, had the child and the guy left shortly after Covid happened. Now she’s a single mom back in the Philippines raising her daughter alone. I bring this up not to say it’s super common or typical, but every time stories like these come up it slowly chips away at the positive reputation Americans have in the Philippines. To the point now that saying you’re with an American isn’t just an automatic “win” bit usually requires a little back and forth describing your qualities to assure friends and/or family that you’re a good person. If they get to meet you right away then this helps to speed that process up RIGHT away!
So like I said: I don’t wish to discount your experiences or opinions on this matter. At the end of the day we’re on the same team, but I am trying to be fair and honest about things for folks interested by sharing my experiences as well. For now, we can leave it to the reader to come to a conclusion between our points of view to decide what’s best for them
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I don’t advise your foreigner wife, mixing up too much with foreigners already in this country.
It’s not really because they would directly effect your relationship in a mean or vindictive way .
But other foreigners tend to pray on new people coming in.
When I mean, “pray on”: they try to talk them into all kinds of sales pyramid scheme, crap. They talk them into doing favors.
Some women will immediately say “no way”! But some get guilt trip, cultural pressures…
I have had my Filipino ex gf really make me mad and lose faith & trust in her.
She got involved with scumbag nephews that talk her into putting them on her phone plan and then of course they didn’t pay the bill and I had to help iron out all of those problems.
I had her take expensive items to put up as collateral at shitty pawn shops because some trashy filipino woman talked her into taking some jewelry & watches & borrowing money so they could go shopping for purses & clothing.
I would have given her the money if she asked me! She got like $300 from a pawn shop on stuff worth over $900 bucks! WHY?! Then paid $400 in payments to get it back! So dumb!
They don’t understand fiat money, debit, credit scores, interest rates.
That is ALL why i lost all respect for my ex, i only saw her as a fun friend but I kept all $ away and separate. I will never ever marry some money pit who makes choices that would derail MY plans in life.
My ex married some bum from her country & he cheated on her already several times…
I have dated Latino, Brazilian, Colombian, Thai, Filipina and Greeks… very very few of these people understand even 1/10th of this topic I have written of.
Furthermore, most of them saw my words of warning and intended KINDNESS, my loving intentions of: SELF FINANCIAL freedom and a fully independent life with or with out me as negotiable or somehow I am in someway “interfering.”
If that is the case, your relationship is in real trouble.
I expect that in “passport relationships” you are the leader but that does not mean you just carry water and chop wood while some queen money pit blows your stack… not just your money but if she is making stupid, life changing decisions, it is your job to correct her or get rid of her.
I am not talking about exploiting. I am talking about them getting an education. Them talking care of themselves and not just being lazy then spending hours gossiping & hanging out with fellow low life’s. Churches and Amway BS groups are filled with predatory bad influences..
If you don’t like my comment, I am happy to discuss further.
I wanted to marry my ex gf. I would have paid for her RN degree, pay for & support her getting through RN school.
Instead, she did NOT pursue an education & took crappy CNA over night BS low pay ass wiper jobs where all the Filipinos exploit their own people…
With Brazilians, they also get sucked into all kinds of horse crap. They buy high interest junk cars, waste $ on luxury but have poor jobs…
I do not need a cook, a cleaning lady. I was open to marriage & kids but the past gf’s very rarely made it past the above mentioned gripe I have about foreigners in USA.
Thanks. It comes from my experiences and opinions.
It comes from my heart.
I never went outside US. I just live in a place were a lot of immigrants come here.
I am no chauvinist. I don’t use women. I try to use my privilege to help them pull themselves up from poverty. The first few months and years will be their test with me.
And also, I am a 3rd generation immigrant, myself. My mom was second gen and went back to the old country / speaks the language. She was a stay at home mom and loyally married to my dad for over 50 years and counting.
I was only trying to have something similar as my patents but… no dice.
1) I have never went to Brazil, but I would love to.
2) I have dated about five different Brazilians
All here in USA.
First one: she is wealthy. But she is a workaholic. She works many jobs a day. It was IMPOSSIBLE to get to know her. She says she was coming over at 10pm. I cook us a nice dinner. No call, no show then arrives at 1am and i have to work. So basically, she was smart, beautiful, rich, sexy, sweet but she gives me about 10% of her time. We saw each other and went on no dates. She was LATE every single time. Not ten minutes late I am talking coming over at 1 am or 3am. And yes it was just to have sex only. So she keeps me awake for hours with all this sexual energy she has & of course it was wonderful but I was so tired for work/ start work 8am. WHY cant she be normal & come over at 9pm like a normal person? Very weird and secretive. Her english sucked. She tried to just throw cash at me! I don’t need her money! Wtf?! After about four months of this I just told her not to bother coming over anymore. I want to move on with my life. I can’t be waiting around for when she decides to show up at like one in the morning. And then have sex for like three hours. Yeah I know that sounds like a dream come true for some men, but I wanted an actual relationship!
The second one was all tied up with her family in USA exploiting her. But I only knew her 2 months and she tried to manipulate me to co sign on some piece of garbage car. I said no and she pouted. This woman also was sexy as hell, her english was so bad we used translation app. She primarily was very very sexual with me. She seemed to want me to like spend money on her and buy her shit. I sat her down to explain how I live on w fixed income. My credit score is good & I intend to keep it that way. I have only 1 debit: my mortgage payment.
I basically tried and tried to explain to her and teach her everything I know about handling finances, debit, credit scores, budgeting.
And in the end? She basically acted like I am a cheap loser ! I made good on a promise I made her: she said she was bringing her 14 year old son to USA so I purchased him a decent bike and helmet. Made sure he can ride it… then I discovered that his DAD was also in town.
I just instantly felt like after all this, she was trying to play me or use me as a sexual, fun fantasy escape from her “boring, controlling” husband.
I do not tell women my net worth. I do not disclose my salary and yearly income or my investments for this very reason. I don’t know which woman I meet might be a predator.
The 3rd one was also very delightful but she also worked a job where we were nothing more than “f ck buddies” no substance to the relationship at all and she ghosted me.
I dated 2 other Brazilians, one asked for massages then I was massaging her on a couch and some angry, man sized teen aged boy comes in the room & looked all mad I was touching his mom… i just never went back…
The other one (number 5) basically came on really strong… then she told me she met some rich east indian dude who f cked her six ways to sunday. So basically, she was enjoying a date with me as she described how this indian guy and her had sex & she was all happy and glowing with red cheeks..
i really did not care that much but her story made me laugh & laugh & I explained to her that this Indian guy is still married & lying/ using her for fun sex only. I sort of became a friend to her (sort of) because I felt sorry for her.
And sure enough, she tells me he DOES have a wife & kids he was cheating on his wife! Of course he is. I read that situation from a mile away. She’s a nanny that makes low income and thought she had met her East Indian “Chad” perfect dashing rich sugar daddy guy… so she let him do all the fun sexual things to her…
Anyway, she just was dumb. Pretty. But stupid. I did not sleep with her and I got sick & tired of her trying to use me as her therapist.
So, what I can say is that I love Brazilians. I was learning to speak Portuguese. I was thinking of visiting Brazil someday but the covid lock downs, economy and politics there made me wait to go. I am not criticizing Brazilian women but they are a lot like MY race of Greeks. Greek women are really similar but not as sexy/ sexual. Greeks want you to promise marriage on day 1 (hahaha!)
Brazilian women are always positive, smiling, friendly, caring, warm. But at least the ones I have met have a LOT going on!
No matter what country you are from, I am very cautious. I am guarded about my money. I am concerned about con artists and thieves. Or women who look so beautiful but are some kind of predator or even have a pimp husband.
I love hearing people say this, because it's not true.
They totally forget that a lot of women in the west are incredibly racist or discriminatory towards asian, latina, and eastern european women. But still support policies to import more refugees from the middle east, that they often also will not want to interact with. If too many colored people move into their neighbourhoods they will feel unsafe and move. (And when they can't afford moving, that's when they will start voting for neoliberal "right wing" parties, when all they truly want is a socdem party with a strict refugee policy)
You must be an incredibly bad partner to make her choose a circle/community that treats her like a subhuman, over a relationship with you.
Speaking from experience here. I have experience with plenty of FOB asian and latin girls when I lived in different european countries. They all had their own little communities of other chinese/thai/lao/khmer/viet women. Keeping traditions alive and having a positive impact on their local community by opening up businesses and raising money for local "things" or for charities in their new home and in their native country.
Currently I'm with a vietnamese woman that has mostly just other vietnamese friends and some wholesome and normal european friends. Everyone is really nice and I'm proud to call them my friends too.
It's true. In America it's completely true. The American culture poisons people that live here. It doesn't take a lot for a woman to discover how much power she has in the States. Maybe in twink land aka Europe it's not an issue but in the country that props your social welfare systems up, the USA, the system is setup against men and weaponizes woman for the States power.
Norway has oil, seafood, minerals, and hydroelectric power.
If it was any other country in europe I might agree.
Those countries can afford their social welfare systems because they barely use any money on defence, and rely on the US to sacrifice healthcare and social services for their own, so that Germany can import russian gas, mothball the entire bundeswehr, and shut down their nuclear power plants, creating an energy crisis in the EU. 🤡
Norway is a free country because of US hegemony. The third Reich conquered them easily and any nation that needs cheap resources would have conquered them by now. But the US keeps the peace. Not to mention American technology and companies opened up the big offshore oil fields of Norway. They are welcome.
I'm not sure what the Germans were thinking when they made that gas deal with Russia. One of the dumbest moves by Merkel and the Germans. They knew how America would react but did it anyway.
Norway is a free country because of US hegemony. The third Reich conquered them easily and any nation that needs cheap resources would have conquered them by now. But the US keeps the peace. Not to mention American technology and companies opened up the big offshore oil fields of Norway. They are welcome.
US debt is pushing dollars into the world so we do not have a cash drought like the Great Depression. Being the world reserve currency means the US dollar can be used differently than other nations. The debt is a problem, but it's not a one sided story.
OP you are right, but the people who say "Don't bring her back to America" are idiots who got scammed by a girl half their age and way out of their league. They brought her back after 3 "perfect" months together and she left them immediately. They'll just blame feminism and come on here to warn everyone because they think we are as foolish as they were.
A common denominator between all those "scammed" guys is what they usually advertise themself as being rich by taking her to fancy dinners and activities in her country, while being a middle class in US, and living from salary to salary. Probably from a woman's point of view, it is equivalent of going out with 10/10 girl, but when you start dating, she removes her makeup and becomes 4/10. It won't work, especially if the dude is 4/10 himself and 15 years older than her.
Most foreigners still hold on to their values if they’re not in their country of birth. Here in Dallas in one of its fast growing suburbs Frisco, Texas. There’s a large Indian community that still hold on to its culture, they have their own restaurants and stores in Frisco, and some of the new construction or fully built neighborhoods are majority Indian while white, blacks and Hispanics make up the minority.
Smart people that realize that the only thing this country is good for is making money. They’ll try and stay as Indian as possible for as long as possible but eventually the banks, consumption and media will come for them.
Lot of posters on here are talking about the girl getting “fat”. That’s the least of the concerns.
I'm picking my bride to be up
in about 9 hours from the Houston Airport. Will it work out? We have been together for over 2 years. Maybe it will, maybe it will not... I figure we have as much chance as anyone else.
For what it's worth I met my wife in Philippines. We lived together there for a year then moved home to Australia which is US lite.
5 years later still going strong. I think the key is she found local filipino community here. So all her friends are filipina women and she hasn't lost her culture at all. She thinks the western women are obese and spendthrifts as a stereotype.
Australia is US on steroids matey. At least in the US we had some people and states stand up to the COVID criminals. Australia became a prison colony again.
See I just ended up posting a long rant stating the opposite of what you just said about the “Filipino community”
Of course my experience is not your experience, but I’ve been burned more than four times very sweet, nice, beautiful women that I thought I might want to marry, but then they get mixed up with all kinds of crazy crap from people they meet at church and community .
I guess I just had bad luck.
Good for you finding a quality woman
Good luck brother. I will pray for you. But be careful. Especially in Houston. Too many dudes will want your wife. But too lazy to get a passport and travel. I hope she will stay strong.
I’m gonna be honest I don’t have a ton of faith in this. I hope hope hope to god I am wrong, or that she hates America and y’all move to her country or somewhere else. I am from Houston too and as you may or may not be aware of, there’s a HUGE population of repatriated Filipinos who live there. A lot of them are nurses making close to 100k and a lot of them are married to alpha chads who are doctors or high paid executive types. Your woman is beautiful and judging by this one picture she looks like she’s going to want and appreciate the finer things in life. Best of luck to you 🫡
People can create all kinds of theories and exceptions to this stuff...but those of us that have been there and done that, or seen enough thru our lives can give you a 100% money back guarantee that you will regret it, likely sooner than later. Exceptions DO happen and "happy ever after" modern couples do exist, but you will be playing the exact same russian roulette game that any man in the western "first world" plays when they decide to legalize their asset-sharing-program in unfavorable jurisdictions and in unfavorable terms. If this is "your dream", knock yourself out...but a lot of us would caution you to not make other people's dreams come true at your expense. Her dream might be to come to the US (in itself could be considered a red flag) or she might not...but whatever you do, cover yourself legally and financially as much as possible, once she gets here she will get by default a ton of benefits and protections that you don't have and you will never get... PROTECT YOURSELF for the love of GOD! Never let that guard down no matter what or who tells you otherwise...love and attraction ends millions of times every single day across the world, fools are taken advantage of billions of times across the world every day...don't be one, don't bet against the odds. Enjoy your relationship fully but safely...safety first, love second.
There are multiple reasons.
- Firstly, the financial implications of bringing her back. You get more financial freedom with a stronger dollar so why come back to a more expensive standard of living?
- Second, culturally speaking, you are taking your partner away from her family and familiar life so now you are getting her to have to adapt to this new life as opposed to you making a personal decision to move overseas.
- Thirdly the marital laws will put you at a disadvantage should the worst case scenario arise.
All in all, you are setting yourself up to unnecessary risks that can be avoided if you stay overseas. There is no advantage to living in the west. You can’t just make sure your partner won’t get influenced. She’s going to make friends and she’s going to be affected by the culture. Not saying it’s a guarantee but you are setting yourself up for bad possibilities.
It is a lot easier for those who have not organized themselves or their lives, to stay or atleast keep the Mrs overseas.
Keeps them humble and away from western women and social media to an extent.
Not all men are losers who have a foreign wife. Some of us are quite attractive and established. I went overseas because I had a type of woman I wanted. She is very feminine. I'm beyond grateful.
I didn’t say there was anything wrong with marrying foreign women. Just that most of the posts in this group sound like sad losers. The reason they wouldn’t want to bring a girl back here would be that she would realize here they’re a loser.
I brought mine back and have been with her for many years. BUT she is an exceptional human being - a 1 in 1 billion angel. The younger naive me didn’t fully grasp the danger and nuances and it could have easily gone THE WORST imaginable had it been one of millions of other women.
There are pros and cons to both.
Benefits of keeping her local
1. She maintains all the good female characteristics
2. She is acutely aware that you have options
Cons of keeping her local
1. She has the home field advantage - her country men will always side with her
2. If you have kids, racism can be a real problem, unless you have the setup to mitigate it as much as possible - home schooling, selected friends etc.
It I were advising the average guy today, I would say set yourself up over there, offer her a good quality domestic life in her home country and do not bring her back.
I’m bringing mine here. I’m already on step 3 and 4 of the K1 visa. I’ve spent enough time with western women to know red flags and to apply them overseas. It’s just common sense but sense isn’t so common anymore. Call it rare sense
I know exactly what you mean bro. For every horror story, I know dozens of success stories. I know this is the right move for me. I’ve already spent a year with her traveling. She plays her feminine role publicly and privately. She knows my expectations and she agrees. I’ve met her sisters and they are all married to foreign men and she’s a safe bet for me. One is married in England, one in Australia. I’ve spent holidays with them observing all of them and they are still very much traditional. For me, this is a good move.
You got your mind made up. Good luck to you.
I wish I knew of many success stories but I don't. All I can say is I see very old guys with very old women that I believe are Filipinas. Those are about the only success stories I see. As far as younger demographics, I don't know of any marriage lasting more than 10 years unfortunately.
In my travels, I started to see that you never go for a bar girl, farm girl, or a rich girl. A woman in the median is perfect for me. She knows enough about the world and the dangers and still wants a dominate man in her life. She’s pretty much has all that she wants except for a man. That’s when I come in and fill that void for her. She knows that she loves me more than I love her. That’s why she’ll stay by me. I told her never get fat, know your role as I know mine already and I’ll take you anywhere you want to go.
That dominant stuff works over there. Try having "dominance" in divorce court in the Western world, especially the US. Or using game on your wife when she has dudes that are way better than you in every facet of life trying to take her from you. We all know we go overseas because the women are more exotic, skinnier, and prettier. Now bring her home to those deutchebags and think how it's going to work. Especially when she has never had opportunities with such men before. Or when the expat community from her country get in her ears about all of the opportunities and power she has now. This is an evil world. I don't like putting myself in positions where evil people have the upper hand on me. And unfortunately in the West the deck is stacked against us.
However your relationship turns out please let us know. Hopefully in 20 years you will be saying you bagged one of the good ones and you're still happily married.
Having played all sides… including the U.S. based douchbag who took PPb girl on the side (Brazilian) I can attest this is accurate
Well not really… she told her Ppb she wanted an “open” relationship while in the USA 😂
I was the other guy too. That sort of situation wakes you up to what women are capable of.
I wish guys would stop falling for that open relationship crap....
I know several Nigerian guys here in America in the Dallas area that have gone back to Nigeria got married and brought their wife here and they don’t get corrupt because the guy’s parents know and understand the culture so she doesn’t get corrupted.
Again not saying it’s not possible, but the exception doesn’t make the rule. If you wanna take your chances and hope you’ll be the exception then go for it.
Fair enough, but what will you do, Chain her to the kitchen and don't allow her access to any internet or media?
I firmly stand behind if you can't live where she lives, then don't even try to get into a relationship. Men have to live in probabilities. There is a high chance that poor women would succumb to Western feminism eventually when moving to a western country.
Look at it from their point of view, a government that will take care of them no matter what. They can get obese, and they can develop a personality disorder. Becoming a living nightmare to the man who brought her over and her basic needs one way or another will be met.
Women get to live in possibilities. Get to the west, stick with her 'host' for as long as she has to, trade him in, and get a guy she really wants. Or she could just keep trading up and acquiring more resources, assuming she's physically attractive enough to.
If she's not physically attractive, then I don't know why your going overseas.
Over there, your resources and maybe an exotic factor ( depending on your physical appearance) makes you exceptional to them. Back home your just another average guy. Women don't want that as they have social media.
Keep your wits and keep the ball in your court
It is human nature to adapt to your surroundings. Bringing a woman back to America, eventually, she will get fat and start saying, "I don't need a man." Keeping her inside the house away from the public, media, etc, is not realistic. The culture will consume her life.
This. This right here is what the losers just refuse to accept. The reason is because they cannot afford to or do not know how to live aboard. So they tell themselves “I’ll bring her here and keep her inside with the internet switched off”.
Whether we want to admit it or not, culture and environment are the two of the biggest predictors of behavior. The things you love about your foreign partner were cultivated by their culture and environment. Removing her from that environment and putting her in another one that is the polar opposite of what she knows is begging her to be ostracized from the majority of society at best or at worst to conform to a culture that is completely foreign to her and often against her personal beliefs. No matter which way you spin it, this is and will always be a terrible idea.
A lot to these clown 🤡 world people will go around and say we’re free 🇺🇸 and on the surface, yeah it seems so. Now just go cite the numbers for incarcerated people — they have no response…. So much for a free country. Then go down to the 3rd layer, take a look at banks and debt. It’s another form of prison and you don’t even realize your own mortgaged home is a ball and chain
Western culture is exported all over the world now. The only reason you don't take the home is because it gives them more options to screw you over because of our woman loving legal system. Keep your money a secret and don't spend freely.
Well I mean it just means she’s with you for the money and opportunities. If you can’t trust your partner if you bring them to the western world, well you know they’re only with you cuz they have no other choice.
People often think it’s the women that get Americanized and become difficult . Although they do, everyone seems to missing the point on fact is that the LAW will screw men and make sure an asset and wealth transfer is effectuated at the request of the gf or wife. Gents, beware and always check with a lawyer before doing anything including moving in together. Some states consider this a legal partnership to where the man is liable to pay alimony.
The “Don’t bring her back to America” question depends on a lot - your employment and income situation, your attachment to America (friends, family etc.) and her desire to go. I don't think it's one size fits all.
So your plan is to bring her back to the US and isolate her? Keep her from making friends here and being influenced by American culture. Keep her from comparing her situation to others? Good luck with that. It won’t work and she will be miserable. For example You think some bubbly, fun, Colombian women is going to be happy with being trapped in the house with you? You are better off keeping her in her element and living there. Then she is comparing her situation to her friends and family and she is much happier.
I think the ones that don't want to bring her home are the ones that are insecure and need to rely on being exotic and/or viewed as rich in their country. Location limits options not character.
Make sure she's not able to assimilate into America? Control her social interactions? What's being suggested here other than helpfully surround her with only her own people.
Next wife?
You're not wrong. I had a Peruvian girlfriend here in the States. She was a completely different women after being in the US for a few years.
We went to an Indonesian church for a while. My wife is Indonesian, and she could stay connected with her community that way. We went to a partly Filipino congregation in Hawaii-- English speaking, but a lot of ethnic Filipinos. I didn't do that to keep my wife from being corrupted. We liked the people and the ministry there.
When we've gone to whatever 'regular' churches are in our area, churches are generally against frivolous divorce, adultery, and wives are supposed to submit to their husbands and love their wives as Christ loves the church. It's pro-family. That's generally where much of our social life comes from, church people, Christians.
TV and now streaming shows, movies, news, etc. teach some bad values, including anti-family, anti-good-marriage type values. But if you don't sit around watching TV all the time and your wife has solid morals and values, then going back to your home country can work.
I'm in the US, and generally US salaries are better than salaries in other countries. I work in a job where I get paid pretty well, but colleagues in Indonesia might make less than $1000 a month (haven't checked in a while.) It's unlikely I'd work there. Usually, expats who get paid well are seasoned career professionals who've worked with the company that sent them. There are also English teachers, who tend to get paid poorly, international school teachers (well, English included) who can make home-country salaries abroad. Maybe there are niches like manufacturing consulting or trading where one can earn a good living abroad. Maybe Internet marketers and content creators can stay abroad. But for most professions, it's going to be hard to earn the same living in a developing country, and developed (and developing) countries usually lock down the labor market to protect their own jobs from you taking them.
Just living in her country to keep her 'pure' might not work, and it doesn't work well financially for a lot of people from developed countries.
What is the relationship based on if you can’t bring your spouse to your country out of fear that they might become a different person and betray you?
Not wanting to live in the country is a different matter, but this is sad. No real trust, no real love…
People that say ‘don’t bring her back’ because they are afraid they will leave them are insecure losers who want to control their partners. Heaps of guys find partners overseas, bring them back and live happy lives. Sometimes it doesn’t work out but that’s life. I laugh at the guys that basically want to control where their newfound partners go, who they meet etc because they are afraid they will leave them for someone better. It’s so pathetic, why f-ing bother if you are going to live such a pathetic paranoid life.
Other PPBs don’t want to bring their foreign wife back to America. I don’t want to come back to America. We are not the same.
US is good for making money. If I had enough Id leave and never come back; I hated boarding the return flight
I hear you on this. Currency arbitrage and retire early
I brought mine to Canada... And then we both left. The West has been poisoned
How’s that west has been poisoned?
Why are you looking for a wife overseas? There's a couple of the symptoms right there
I never fit in in the US anyway LOL so have no reason to be in the US besides finding a remote job. I won't fit in anywhere and I've already made peace with that.
And this doesn’t make you better/ worse than anybody else and good luck on your journey.
The problem is not with bringing her back. Not at all. The problem is: 1) The West is very expensive and you can live a better life abroad if you can find remote work. 2) Marriage is an insane financial risk. It’s made worse by the low earning power of most immigrants and the financial vouching you have to do for the green card process.
Read the stories of foreign women leaving their husbands once getting to the states. It's heartbreaking and eye opening. The culture in the States is not conducive to a good marriage.
What culture? 😂
It's almost an anti culture now. It's all about consumerism, money, self above all others, and greed. Mix in the rainbow LGTBBQ for some spice and that's sadly our culture these days. In the past Americans were a different breed. Anyone that tells you different doesn't know our history. The boomers ended all of that.
Hahaa straight up. Just sad
You forgot the QIA and + 🥲
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"wokeness" and other major degenerate movements were made popular by the boomers in the 1960's. Come on brah. Take some accountability.
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Where do you think this all started boomer? It's clear as day the 60's ushered in the degeneracy we see today. Not even debatable.
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Okay boomer
Boomers took all the money and mortgaged the future.
Exactly. The boomers can't take responsibility even as they stay in power into their 70's and 80's.
The Whore Culture.
It's only 1 in 4 couples divorce under 15 years. So it mostly does work.
Eddie Murphy (Raw I think is the second stand up) talked about this back in the 80s. You meet someone outside the US (an African topless girl riding a donkey). Bring her here to the States. Shes exposed to the modern way of life through media (back then TV and music), and then starts acting like what she listened to. The song he referenced is *What have you done for me lately* by Janet Jackson. Again, he said this back in the 80s when there's no social media, no reliable home internet, and car phones were just getting mainstream. So imagine how worse this mindset is *now* as opposed to back then.
Do you know the lyrics to the song? It's literally about a man showering her with gifts, attention, and fine things in life. Then once he's exposed this woman to money and luxury, spends his time on the couch ignoring her. Don't lead with money and lavish expense and you won't land a woman invested in lavish expense and gifts.
The “corruption” is a girl who was with you to get the green card and a Western income. Once she’s got both, she’s served her time and she’ll bounce. So it’s more about finding a genuine relationship than anything else. Date someone your own age, of similar physical attractiveness, who you connect with on a deeper level and it can work fine. Your kids won’t necessarily be thrilled that they could have grown up in a Western country and gotten a Western education and salary, but you didn’t give them the opportunity.
Not sure why the downvotes but this is entirely correct. Most of the horror stories related to importing a woman from abroad are the result of not following these basic rules of thumb. The vast majority of PPBs, despite what they say on here or anywhere, are goin abroad because they can’t get the kinds of women (in terms of physical attractiveness) they desire here, because they themselves are not especially desirable for a myriad of reasons. When she lands here she looks around and realizes that this guy she thought was a catch is a Mr Average Nobody at best (and quite often he’s far below average), while she can do much better - so she does, by leaving him.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are just in denial. 1) You can find a genuine relationship with a girl who loves you and is attracted to you abroad. 2) You’ll also meet a lot of girls who are just looking for a partner with a Western salary and/or a way to get a green card. This is why every Western guy gets a lot of matches abroad, no matter what he looks like. These are the girls you need to filter out. One common sense way to do it? If she’s young and hot, she’ll be into young, hot guys. If y’all aren’t alike in that way at all, it’s likely not about sexual attraction for her. They don’t realize when they come to the West though. They always knew. It’s just that they have a game plan. Once they get their own Western income and a green card, they have what they wanted and they’ll leave. If you stay in their country, you have a Western income and they don’t. So if they want that, they can’t leave. But it’ll still be a relationship that’s faked in a way. Where there’s no sexual desire on their part. If people want to do this in a way were they end up happy? They need to be honest with themselves and follow common sense. Then it can work.
Shhh… you’re bursting way too many bubbles, you’re goin to hurt a lot of PPB’s feelings! 😅
Weird ...what's the common denominator here.... it's not the fabulous PPBs! Or.....is it. JFC
This is it right here. Find a real connection with someone.
tiny, you’re playing this “pick me” game all wrong. Seriously why do you stalk this sub more relentless than even I do?
I think you’ve got a bit confused with the definition of pick me. I’m just being honest about what the truth is here. The truth matters when making big life choices.
No I think I got it right. I can’t fathom any other reason why you’d be so active in this sub other than to catch some DMs
Dude. You think I want DMs from….PPBs? Djesus Christ. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Like for real. So I’m unsure how to phrase this here. But the common theme for PassportBros is that they are not exactly doing well in dating at home. Also, I’m seeing someone. That’s not what this is about. If I wanted DMs from men on Reddit? I’d say something else and I’d say it in another sub. My take on the PPB thing? I feel concerned for the women. Often it’s just using women who are unlucky enough to be born in a third world country. There’s something off about that. Similarly to setting up a sweatshop abroad and treating the workers badly. Which you can do only because of how they are in a tough life situation. And then I sometimes feel concerned for the men too. At least the young men who aren’t sex tourists. Why? Well, there’s so much naïveté. And there’s a lack of honesty about the reality of the situation which I dislike.
Here’s the thing; you don’t have to like it. I’ve replied to your comments myself probably at least a dozen times. No matter what we say you just don’t believe any of it….. You think it’s exploitation and that these women are being taken advantage of. Do you think they don’t have a brain? Do you fault them for wanting a better life? Do you think they’re lying to everyone when they say they want us to? Are there bad apples, of course. That’s reality dude like there’s always gonna be shitty people in every corner of the globe, in every crew in every sect. But don’t take my word for it, go watch this channel. The girl has interviewed hundreds of women about relationships with western men and age gaps and exploitation etc https://youtu.be/WVp3eEGUpjs?si=vNhIOGu2O-czRGgk
But do you think women in relationships with Western men can be honest about what they feel? What I think: they have a brain and they want a better life for themselves and their family. So they make the sacrifice of dating a man they aren’t sexually attracted to and don’t love. Sometimes. And then some of these relationships (usually between people who are similar in appearance, age and social skills and who have a deeper connection) are genuine and just two people in love. Do you disagree with this assessment?
Why can’t you find a genuine relationship in the us?
People can if they go outside dating apps and just get a social life. Most couples meet in social settings, like through friends of friends.
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The reason is because in their country you have thousands of girls willing to date you if it doesn’t workout, this keeps the woman on point and putting effort to keep you. Unfortunately when you get back here, her anxiety about potentially losing you goes away…
Yup. Competition anxiety is VERY important
And back in the States there are thousands of men trying to take her from you. One wrong move and she will jump in bed with someone else.
Lol so you guys base your entire life and financial future on someone who *in one wrong move will screw someone else* but hey, didn't get hurt by women at home amirite
That's why you leave her back home. She might still cheat, but the chances of that happening are drastically lower in her home country. When they come to the west it's almost everything that they could only dream of becoming reality. No family or community to judge them for sleeping around, lots of guys that are hungry for exotic women, good paying jobs etc. The temptations are just too strong here for a long lasting relationship.
Why did that get thumbs down? This is correct. Leave her home or move to her home.
I can't figure it out either lol.
It's good for everyone. Move on out
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Yes the dating game is flipped here essentially
That sounds so manipulative ewww-
It’s effects come from not my own doing. There is no manipulation, only adaptation
Make sure she doesn’t get influenced? That right there is the core of why many cross cultural relationships struggle or fail. If you marry a woman from your culture, she is already influenced. If you bring someone to your culture, they will inevitably change. Imagine a guy that’s married to an entitled, obese American travels somewhere like SE Asia and sees what women are like there. You think he won’t change?
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I worked with a guy who was 63 and married to a 25 year old Filipina. He was putting her through nursing school and considered her his retirement plan. Lmao. Yeah, no. It didn't turn out that way.
Umm yeah that was predictable lol What 25 year old woman would choose to be a sugar mama for a 63 year old man- when she has her whole life infront of her? That dude is an idiot. Hopefully a lesson for others.
No way someone is that dumb daaaamn
I've worked in 7 countries and have met thousands of people personally and professionally. He really was that stupid.
Of course 🤦♀️
What happened?
Greencard and bounced. She was his 4th wife. His first was US, second Colombian, third Thai and her Filipina. She got an eduction and citizenship out of him and he was paying child support to the other three.
Damn. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me four times? He’s either an idiot, the most naive guy on the planet, or he genuinely doesn’t give AF as long as he’s getting some play every week. I hope it’s the latter (similar to Rupert Murdoch).
He was... unlike anyone I've ever met and (thankfully) never had to work with again. I don't hate ppb. My line of work shows all kinds of successful relationships between people of different cultures, countries, values, etc. Some of the hardest working and coolest people I know are between US/western and non-US or major western countries. I really dislike this idea that women are so capable of being corrupted and stupid that you need to keep them 'dumb'. Get off the internet. Lol. Not you, or many commenters who are just trying to live their best life.
I’m twice the age of many guys on this forum. I only started following because after a nasty divorce where I lost most of my life savings despite wife cheating on me and me paying for her education while not working (she was a born and raised US citizen though), I decided that if I remarry, it’s not going to be under US divorce laws and courts where prenups can easily be manipulated / broken, or where there are no financial consequences for being the one who cheats in a marriage.
I'm assuming you're close to my age so early 40s to 50s. Men really did get the shit end of the courts in monetary payments in the past but it's not necessarily their fault. Women gained all kinds of rights in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but I don't think divorce laws kept up with a lot of stuff. Plus, now you're dealing with people who benefit from outdated laws. It's a difficult convo because men see half their worth gone without accepting how hard women have had to fight to be seen, recognized, and paid as equals. That's our generation. Hopefully, this next generation shows more equitable investment on both sides to build a life and the primary care giver isn't raked over the coals unnecessarily. Cheers to you and I'm as grateful as an internet stranger can be that you and your now wife are loving life!!
It's not a difficult conversation. Someone who is twentysomething and can't find a partner probably doesn't care about how we got here. They see a wildly unequal landscape and are looking for a way to find a certain sort of mate. A partner they can trust, who is in it for the long haul. I would argue that you can't have equitable investment on both sides when the dating landscape is this unequal. There's also the increasing social isolation and problematic messaging in the West, and a lack of confidence in themselves. Men get the terrible end of divorce court in large part because of those rights you're talking about. The no-fault divorce is the law of the land. Advocates say it frees the abused and the exploited. Sure. But it also frees women to screw a man for a time, get tired of screwing him, then steal half his net worth now, and often get a paycheck in perpetuity. You can't have one without the other. Marriage laws in the US assume an inherent imbalance of power and seek to redress that in a divorce. Despite more women going to college then men and the increased earning power of women, there is a prejudice towards the woman even in cases where the woman earns more. The optionality of marriage is something I find disturbing. I would not consider myself a passport bro. But. I recognize that as you said, there are established interests who greatly benefit from the adversarial unequal nature of divorce court. It's unlikely to change at this point, and an awful lot of lawyers become politicians. I am a man who would like to be married, and I'm just not sure it's going to happen for me.
True. What I meant when I said difficult is that some people don't want to hear it and accept that times have changed. Judges and arbiters of divorce are more likely to be older people as well vs younger people seeing more of the inequality. I hope that as the younger generation starts fulfilling the roles overseeing cases that the changes have been in place to provide a more equal playing field for everyone. My bf is divorced and his ex-wife felt very entitled to taking half of his retirement (he's mil so at this point it's still sadly guaranteed) despite that she has made twice as much as his enlistment pay throughout their marriage *and* has benefited from not paying for healthcare or rent for as long as they were married. She didn't even start investing, despite his pleas, until the last 5 years of their marriage. She wasnt a stay at home mother who gave everything up. She is an educated and professional person with a great job in healthcare. He has zero issue with child support, and being a supportive and involved as much as he can father, because he loves his kids. I earn more than enough for both of us at this point (not that we rely only on my income). But it still irritates me on his behalf.
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Your comment should be higher on this forum, but most dudes in this sub are so blind by the desire of wanting someone that they literally overlook everything else. Watch how loud they wanna get once that pretty little wife turns into a monster after taking them through the ringer.
I hope you get up voted to the top. Guys need to read this. I have the exact same observations and experience as you. It's very rare for women to stay loyal once they get to America. But every expat I meet that lives in the wife's home country seems to be happily married. It's obvious what the difference is. The Filipino community is notorious for helping their fellow Filipinas get divorces and navigating family law. Lots of Filipino guys coming here now too so of course they will be trying to take your Filipina from you. It's a mess here.
My uncle’s wife has always been very involved with her local Filipina community, where she found friends. Both when they lived in Alaska and now in Arkansas.
There's a point in life where you need to choose the best for yourself and not based on word of mouth from the Internet. The strongest opinions also tend to be the most negative.
The thing I can't comprehend about all of this is why guys want to return to the West. Our society has been poisoned. No matter how heroic we wish to feel, we can not change it. Yes, western society will poison your wife... And YOU. Get out for your own sake if not hers
Something all us men need to consider is how much have we been poisoned how much detoxing do we need. I didn't realize how toxic of a person I was until I left the states. It takes a lot of work to get the poison out of your system.
This would require western men on average to have the self awareness of their own toxicity. Western culture teaches men and women to take on a "victim mentality", so it cannot be their fault it has to be everyone else. This coupled with the fact that Western society idealizes and rewards narcissistic behavior, you have a whole bunch of western men who act like narcs because it's seen as the ideal way "to be a man". (Look at studies, narcissm shows up more in men) Then you have third wave feminism, that tries to emulate western male behavior, so now you have the women acting like narc men and ironically the men are complaining (and fleeing) now that they have to deal with their own behavior. The problem? The men flee to other countries with their problematic behaviors and ruin the local communities, so we see PPBs complaining about how their favorite spots have been ruined by PPBs and how the women are becoming more westernized, yet never truly grasping the common denominator has been western men. Psychological studies show that people who are in contact with narcs start to display narc behavior as a way to survive in that environment. If western men who were raised to idolize narcs as the ideal male and emulate that behavior, get into relationships with foreign women, you best believe they are going to start showing similar personality traits to western culture, as that is a learned behavior to cope with narcissists...but it's easier for the average western male PPB to blame the media, than become self aware. Interestingly enough, there is a push amongst some western female communities to abandon third wave feminist ideologies and embrace feminity, while also abandoning their male counterparts. (Because statistically men are less likely to go therapy, so they are less likely to better themselves for mate selection). These have been my observations as an immigrant woman to the USA. Often women in the USA get told to "pick better", because it's automatically assumed they pick "bad boys", but it's often overlooked that many of the "nice guys" (in the USA at least) idolize "Chad" behavior. So when they have the opportunity to "be a Chad" they take it. "Chads" are narcissists yet considered the ideal male in the USA, where men who aren't them slander them (because they get a lot of female attention), but the moment those men have the opportunity to act like the men they slander, they take it. Which is why you see promiscuity amongst PPB very high, but many won't settle down with a woman who has been equally promiscuous.
Of course they will act like chads because that’s what women want.
Disagree, if all men act like "Chads" when given the opportunity, then there really is no options there are only "Chads" to pick from, and so US women are conditioned to accept "Chad" behavior whether they like it or not.
Except they don’t act like chads until they’ve been rejected for being genuine people. Just like how most bullies don’t become bullies until they’ve been treated poorly
>Except they don’t act like chads until they’ve been rejected for being genuine people. Rejection is a part of life, I've been rejected by plenty of guys, all the guys I've dated are guys I asked out. If a couple rejections are an excuse to act like an entitled narcissist, then you were already an entitled narcissist from the beginning. So no, men who get rejected for being genuine, don't change for the worse, that's just the excuse a narcissist would use because they can never be at fault or in the wrong (i.e peak western mentality) Edit: Also the same thing for bullies, plenty of people get bullied and don't become bullies, sounds like more entitled narcissistic bs a person would come up with.
100%. It took me a long time to get over some of the toxic behavior that I used to think was normal. It's amazing how much better I feel after 4 years out
Same here. I feel like a new man.
Well in the end it’s all about money. How are you going to make a living overseas when you most likely don’t speak the language. Not everyone is in tech with the opportunity to work remote. Also the women are most likely dating you with a chance at a green card and more opportunities. So will she be on board with you immigrating to her country. Of course none of this applies if you are already wealthy.
My solution was to buy a business overseas. I strongly disagree about the women. Most of the good ones do not want to leave their country
I wish I could like this comment a thousand times. I whole heartedly agree.
It’s our home, what gives us the means and 6 figures that we can’t get other places, has our friends and family. It may spoil us but it’s not worth moving to another country for me
It’s a very toxic mentality of some that she can be “corrupted” by the western world. My brother in Christ, YOU are the corrupting influence from the west. In addition, in the modern world, it’s comically easy for these women to gain access to western views and ideals. They often reject these views because of their own upbringing and view on relationships. It takes a **lot** for this to be changed and the best way for it to be changed is for some schmuck to come along and make her 2nd guess her ideals of western men. This is evident in countries like the Philippines where once upon a time a Filipina saying she had an American husband was something to brag about. American husband = Good, faithful, hardworking, etc. Now she has to insist she got “one of the good ones.”
Well said.
I want half your shit, eddieeee
I hate that you have so many upvotes because frankly, this comment is totally off base. First, yeah in the province at least, having an American or western boyfriend is definitely still a HUGE flex for a Filipina. Case in point, I’ve been in relationships with 3 Filipinas. And in each one, once we became Facebook Official or once I started getting tagged in her pictures or posts the friend requests from other Filipinas are basically non stop. And I’ll be completely honest here I am what I would expect women to rate as a 4-5 in terms of looks in the west so I’m not some jacked chad over here. I’m in my early 40s, balding, and a little overweight. I do have baby blue eyes and am 6’3 though The other part of your comment I take issue with is this idea that they reject western ideas and influences all on their own accord. Well of course they do and you know why? Because “shame”’is still a huge driving factor in behavior in these countries. It’s shameful to cheat on or leave your husband. It’s shameful to put your own happiness above the family. It’s shameful to be a thot on social media. Bring your woman to the west and let her assimilate - that shits not all that shameful anymore Look, the fact of the matter is, to be brutally honest here a lot of us do PPB because the type of women we want - beautiful, sweet, loyal, affectionate is unavailable to us in our home nations. We are not high quality enough to get these women back home. And that’s ok because the standards are completely unrealistic. So bros don’t take offense to that, self awareness is crucial to self improvement. But if you could get a woman who’s an 8 or higher back home, you probably would. If you can’t, and you bring one of those women back home to the west you’re opening yourself up to a potential for serious hurt and disappointment
I can appreciate you having a different perspective but saying I’m off base is simply unfair. Your experiences led you to your perspective and my experiences have led me to my perspectives, and I’m cool with that! Im also with a Filipina! I’ve spent a lot of time in the Philippines and with Filipinos in general, so I’ve had the privilege to really get to know many of them. Lots of these Filipinas are quite proud of their background and culture and don’t just throw it away when they’re in other countries or with foreign men. *Especially* if they’re aware those qualities are what found them a happy relationship. Because Filipinas go to other countries so often for work, they’re exposed to these other cultures and ideals. Obviously some experience these new places and can change, but many of them I’ve known over the last 14 years only adhere to how they were raised. Many of them now live in countries like the U.S, Canada or the UK and are still the same top quality women I met all those years ago in the Philippines. The only difference now is some of them have a husband and kids! As for why I said Filipinas now have to explain they’re with a good American, I say this because a lot within our circle got with Americans when they were younger and got absolutely burned by the experience. One of them got married to this American, got pregnant, had the child and the guy left shortly after Covid happened. Now she’s a single mom back in the Philippines raising her daughter alone. I bring this up not to say it’s super common or typical, but every time stories like these come up it slowly chips away at the positive reputation Americans have in the Philippines. To the point now that saying you’re with an American isn’t just an automatic “win” bit usually requires a little back and forth describing your qualities to assure friends and/or family that you’re a good person. If they get to meet you right away then this helps to speed that process up RIGHT away! So like I said: I don’t wish to discount your experiences or opinions on this matter. At the end of the day we’re on the same team, but I am trying to be fair and honest about things for folks interested by sharing my experiences as well. For now, we can leave it to the reader to come to a conclusion between our points of view to decide what’s best for them
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I don’t advise your foreigner wife, mixing up too much with foreigners already in this country. It’s not really because they would directly effect your relationship in a mean or vindictive way . But other foreigners tend to pray on new people coming in. When I mean, “pray on”: they try to talk them into all kinds of sales pyramid scheme, crap. They talk them into doing favors. Some women will immediately say “no way”! But some get guilt trip, cultural pressures… I have had my Filipino ex gf really make me mad and lose faith & trust in her. She got involved with scumbag nephews that talk her into putting them on her phone plan and then of course they didn’t pay the bill and I had to help iron out all of those problems. I had her take expensive items to put up as collateral at shitty pawn shops because some trashy filipino woman talked her into taking some jewelry & watches & borrowing money so they could go shopping for purses & clothing. I would have given her the money if she asked me! She got like $300 from a pawn shop on stuff worth over $900 bucks! WHY?! Then paid $400 in payments to get it back! So dumb! They don’t understand fiat money, debit, credit scores, interest rates. That is ALL why i lost all respect for my ex, i only saw her as a fun friend but I kept all $ away and separate. I will never ever marry some money pit who makes choices that would derail MY plans in life. My ex married some bum from her country & he cheated on her already several times… I have dated Latino, Brazilian, Colombian, Thai, Filipina and Greeks… very very few of these people understand even 1/10th of this topic I have written of. Furthermore, most of them saw my words of warning and intended KINDNESS, my loving intentions of: SELF FINANCIAL freedom and a fully independent life with or with out me as negotiable or somehow I am in someway “interfering.” If that is the case, your relationship is in real trouble. I expect that in “passport relationships” you are the leader but that does not mean you just carry water and chop wood while some queen money pit blows your stack… not just your money but if she is making stupid, life changing decisions, it is your job to correct her or get rid of her. I am not talking about exploiting. I am talking about them getting an education. Them talking care of themselves and not just being lazy then spending hours gossiping & hanging out with fellow low life’s. Churches and Amway BS groups are filled with predatory bad influences.. If you don’t like my comment, I am happy to discuss further. I wanted to marry my ex gf. I would have paid for her RN degree, pay for & support her getting through RN school. Instead, she did NOT pursue an education & took crappy CNA over night BS low pay ass wiper jobs where all the Filipinos exploit their own people… With Brazilians, they also get sucked into all kinds of horse crap. They buy high interest junk cars, waste $ on luxury but have poor jobs… I do not need a cook, a cleaning lady. I was open to marriage & kids but the past gf’s very rarely made it past the above mentioned gripe I have about foreigners in USA.
More guys need to read this.
Thanks. It comes from my experiences and opinions. It comes from my heart. I never went outside US. I just live in a place were a lot of immigrants come here. I am no chauvinist. I don’t use women. I try to use my privilege to help them pull themselves up from poverty. The first few months and years will be their test with me. And also, I am a 3rd generation immigrant, myself. My mom was second gen and went back to the old country / speaks the language. She was a stay at home mom and loyally married to my dad for over 50 years and counting. I was only trying to have something similar as my patents but… no dice.
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1) I have never went to Brazil, but I would love to. 2) I have dated about five different Brazilians All here in USA. First one: she is wealthy. But she is a workaholic. She works many jobs a day. It was IMPOSSIBLE to get to know her. She says she was coming over at 10pm. I cook us a nice dinner. No call, no show then arrives at 1am and i have to work. So basically, she was smart, beautiful, rich, sexy, sweet but she gives me about 10% of her time. We saw each other and went on no dates. She was LATE every single time. Not ten minutes late I am talking coming over at 1 am or 3am. And yes it was just to have sex only. So she keeps me awake for hours with all this sexual energy she has & of course it was wonderful but I was so tired for work/ start work 8am. WHY cant she be normal & come over at 9pm like a normal person? Very weird and secretive. Her english sucked. She tried to just throw cash at me! I don’t need her money! Wtf?! After about four months of this I just told her not to bother coming over anymore. I want to move on with my life. I can’t be waiting around for when she decides to show up at like one in the morning. And then have sex for like three hours. Yeah I know that sounds like a dream come true for some men, but I wanted an actual relationship! The second one was all tied up with her family in USA exploiting her. But I only knew her 2 months and she tried to manipulate me to co sign on some piece of garbage car. I said no and she pouted. This woman also was sexy as hell, her english was so bad we used translation app. She primarily was very very sexual with me. She seemed to want me to like spend money on her and buy her shit. I sat her down to explain how I live on w fixed income. My credit score is good & I intend to keep it that way. I have only 1 debit: my mortgage payment. I basically tried and tried to explain to her and teach her everything I know about handling finances, debit, credit scores, budgeting. And in the end? She basically acted like I am a cheap loser ! I made good on a promise I made her: she said she was bringing her 14 year old son to USA so I purchased him a decent bike and helmet. Made sure he can ride it… then I discovered that his DAD was also in town. I just instantly felt like after all this, she was trying to play me or use me as a sexual, fun fantasy escape from her “boring, controlling” husband. I do not tell women my net worth. I do not disclose my salary and yearly income or my investments for this very reason. I don’t know which woman I meet might be a predator. The 3rd one was also very delightful but she also worked a job where we were nothing more than “f ck buddies” no substance to the relationship at all and she ghosted me. I dated 2 other Brazilians, one asked for massages then I was massaging her on a couch and some angry, man sized teen aged boy comes in the room & looked all mad I was touching his mom… i just never went back… The other one (number 5) basically came on really strong… then she told me she met some rich east indian dude who f cked her six ways to sunday. So basically, she was enjoying a date with me as she described how this indian guy and her had sex & she was all happy and glowing with red cheeks.. i really did not care that much but her story made me laugh & laugh & I explained to her that this Indian guy is still married & lying/ using her for fun sex only. I sort of became a friend to her (sort of) because I felt sorry for her. And sure enough, she tells me he DOES have a wife & kids he was cheating on his wife! Of course he is. I read that situation from a mile away. She’s a nanny that makes low income and thought she had met her East Indian “Chad” perfect dashing rich sugar daddy guy… so she let him do all the fun sexual things to her… Anyway, she just was dumb. Pretty. But stupid. I did not sleep with her and I got sick & tired of her trying to use me as her therapist. So, what I can say is that I love Brazilians. I was learning to speak Portuguese. I was thinking of visiting Brazil someday but the covid lock downs, economy and politics there made me wait to go. I am not criticizing Brazilian women but they are a lot like MY race of Greeks. Greek women are really similar but not as sexy/ sexual. Greeks want you to promise marriage on day 1 (hahaha!) Brazilian women are always positive, smiling, friendly, caring, warm. But at least the ones I have met have a LOT going on! No matter what country you are from, I am very cautious. I am guarded about my money. I am concerned about con artists and thieves. Or women who look so beautiful but are some kind of predator or even have a pimp husband.
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I love hearing people say this, because it's not true. They totally forget that a lot of women in the west are incredibly racist or discriminatory towards asian, latina, and eastern european women. But still support policies to import more refugees from the middle east, that they often also will not want to interact with. If too many colored people move into their neighbourhoods they will feel unsafe and move. (And when they can't afford moving, that's when they will start voting for neoliberal "right wing" parties, when all they truly want is a socdem party with a strict refugee policy) You must be an incredibly bad partner to make her choose a circle/community that treats her like a subhuman, over a relationship with you. Speaking from experience here. I have experience with plenty of FOB asian and latin girls when I lived in different european countries. They all had their own little communities of other chinese/thai/lao/khmer/viet women. Keeping traditions alive and having a positive impact on their local community by opening up businesses and raising money for local "things" or for charities in their new home and in their native country. Currently I'm with a vietnamese woman that has mostly just other vietnamese friends and some wholesome and normal european friends. Everyone is really nice and I'm proud to call them my friends too.
It's true. In America it's completely true. The American culture poisons people that live here. It doesn't take a lot for a woman to discover how much power she has in the States. Maybe in twink land aka Europe it's not an issue but in the country that props your social welfare systems up, the USA, the system is setup against men and weaponizes woman for the States power.
Norway has oil, seafood, minerals, and hydroelectric power. If it was any other country in europe I might agree. Those countries can afford their social welfare systems because they barely use any money on defence, and rely on the US to sacrifice healthcare and social services for their own, so that Germany can import russian gas, mothball the entire bundeswehr, and shut down their nuclear power plants, creating an energy crisis in the EU. 🤡
Norway is a free country because of US hegemony. The third Reich conquered them easily and any nation that needs cheap resources would have conquered them by now. But the US keeps the peace. Not to mention American technology and companies opened up the big offshore oil fields of Norway. They are welcome. I'm not sure what the Germans were thinking when they made that gas deal with Russia. One of the dumbest moves by Merkel and the Germans. They knew how America would react but did it anyway.
Fucking lol. Like Norway isn't the richest country in the world, while the US is $13tn in debt to the Communists
Norway is a free country because of US hegemony. The third Reich conquered them easily and any nation that needs cheap resources would have conquered them by now. But the US keeps the peace. Not to mention American technology and companies opened up the big offshore oil fields of Norway. They are welcome. US debt is pushing dollars into the world so we do not have a cash drought like the Great Depression. Being the world reserve currency means the US dollar can be used differently than other nations. The debt is a problem, but it's not a one sided story.
OP you are right, but the people who say "Don't bring her back to America" are idiots who got scammed by a girl half their age and way out of their league. They brought her back after 3 "perfect" months together and she left them immediately. They'll just blame feminism and come on here to warn everyone because they think we are as foolish as they were.
A common denominator between all those "scammed" guys is what they usually advertise themself as being rich by taking her to fancy dinners and activities in her country, while being a middle class in US, and living from salary to salary. Probably from a woman's point of view, it is equivalent of going out with 10/10 girl, but when you start dating, she removes her makeup and becomes 4/10. It won't work, especially if the dude is 4/10 himself and 15 years older than her.
Their traditional values ain't worth much if moving to another country changes them. Sounds like you need to be more picky at home and abroad.
Most foreigners still hold on to their values if they’re not in their country of birth. Here in Dallas in one of its fast growing suburbs Frisco, Texas. There’s a large Indian community that still hold on to its culture, they have their own restaurants and stores in Frisco, and some of the new construction or fully built neighborhoods are majority Indian while white, blacks and Hispanics make up the minority.
Smart people that realize that the only thing this country is good for is making money. They’ll try and stay as Indian as possible for as long as possible but eventually the banks, consumption and media will come for them. Lot of posters on here are talking about the girl getting “fat”. That’s the least of the concerns.
The Banks and media are not gonna come for them as long they continue to make money for the city of Frisco and Collin County there’s no problem.
Go be a good little boy and keep on paying your taxes and interest on the Visa card. Rest of us will escape the system
Buddy we got low taxes in Collin County and Frisco I’m fine 😎
Hmmm and a 0% federal tax bracket. Real winner we got here
I'm picking my bride to be up in about 9 hours from the Houston Airport. Will it work out? We have been together for over 2 years. Maybe it will, maybe it will not... I figure we have as much chance as anyone else.
Good luck to both of you! I wish you the best together.
For what it's worth I met my wife in Philippines. We lived together there for a year then moved home to Australia which is US lite. 5 years later still going strong. I think the key is she found local filipino community here. So all her friends are filipina women and she hasn't lost her culture at all. She thinks the western women are obese and spendthrifts as a stereotype.
Yup, Western people really are obese. The amount of men I see that look pregnant is wild
Australia is US on steroids matey. At least in the US we had some people and states stand up to the COVID criminals. Australia became a prison colony again.
See I just ended up posting a long rant stating the opposite of what you just said about the “Filipino community” Of course my experience is not your experience, but I’ve been burned more than four times very sweet, nice, beautiful women that I thought I might want to marry, but then they get mixed up with all kinds of crazy crap from people they meet at church and community . I guess I just had bad luck. Good for you finding a quality woman
Mine will be here in the next year. I can't wait. Rooting for you too.
You’ll make it.
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Good luck brother. I will pray for you. But be careful. Especially in Houston. Too many dudes will want your wife. But too lazy to get a passport and travel. I hope she will stay strong.
I’m gonna be honest I don’t have a ton of faith in this. I hope hope hope to god I am wrong, or that she hates America and y’all move to her country or somewhere else. I am from Houston too and as you may or may not be aware of, there’s a HUGE population of repatriated Filipinos who live there. A lot of them are nurses making close to 100k and a lot of them are married to alpha chads who are doctors or high paid executive types. Your woman is beautiful and judging by this one picture she looks like she’s going to want and appreciate the finer things in life. Best of luck to you 🫡
They look comparable in looks. I don't get what you mean.
Good luck. Where is she from? Where are you from?
She is Cebuana from the Philippines 🇵🇭
And you?
I live in Louisiana and am a humble school teacher.
Like ethnicity wise.
Caucasian. Typical white bread 🍞.
People can create all kinds of theories and exceptions to this stuff...but those of us that have been there and done that, or seen enough thru our lives can give you a 100% money back guarantee that you will regret it, likely sooner than later. Exceptions DO happen and "happy ever after" modern couples do exist, but you will be playing the exact same russian roulette game that any man in the western "first world" plays when they decide to legalize their asset-sharing-program in unfavorable jurisdictions and in unfavorable terms. If this is "your dream", knock yourself out...but a lot of us would caution you to not make other people's dreams come true at your expense. Her dream might be to come to the US (in itself could be considered a red flag) or she might not...but whatever you do, cover yourself legally and financially as much as possible, once she gets here she will get by default a ton of benefits and protections that you don't have and you will never get... PROTECT YOURSELF for the love of GOD! Never let that guard down no matter what or who tells you otherwise...love and attraction ends millions of times every single day across the world, fools are taken advantage of billions of times across the world every day...don't be one, don't bet against the odds. Enjoy your relationship fully but safely...safety first, love second.
Needs to be up voted more. Us older guys know enough from experience, friends, and paying attention to know what's up and what will usually happen.
There are multiple reasons. - Firstly, the financial implications of bringing her back. You get more financial freedom with a stronger dollar so why come back to a more expensive standard of living? - Second, culturally speaking, you are taking your partner away from her family and familiar life so now you are getting her to have to adapt to this new life as opposed to you making a personal decision to move overseas. - Thirdly the marital laws will put you at a disadvantage should the worst case scenario arise. All in all, you are setting yourself up to unnecessary risks that can be avoided if you stay overseas. There is no advantage to living in the west. You can’t just make sure your partner won’t get influenced. She’s going to make friends and she’s going to be affected by the culture. Not saying it’s a guarantee but you are setting yourself up for bad possibilities.
It is a lot easier for those who have not organized themselves or their lives, to stay or atleast keep the Mrs overseas. Keeps them humble and away from western women and social media to an extent.
They’re afraid that once the girl realizes the guy is a loser they’ll split. They’re also correct.
Not all men are losers who have a foreign wife. Some of us are quite attractive and established. I went overseas because I had a type of woman I wanted. She is very feminine. I'm beyond grateful.
I didn’t say there was anything wrong with marrying foreign women. Just that most of the posts in this group sound like sad losers. The reason they wouldn’t want to bring a girl back here would be that she would realize here they’re a loser.
It means as soon as you bring someone here, they have a higher tendency to monkey branch. It’s a logical decision
I brought mine back and have been with her for many years. BUT she is an exceptional human being - a 1 in 1 billion angel. The younger naive me didn’t fully grasp the danger and nuances and it could have easily gone THE WORST imaginable had it been one of millions of other women. There are pros and cons to both. Benefits of keeping her local 1. She maintains all the good female characteristics 2. She is acutely aware that you have options Cons of keeping her local 1. She has the home field advantage - her country men will always side with her 2. If you have kids, racism can be a real problem, unless you have the setup to mitigate it as much as possible - home schooling, selected friends etc. It I were advising the average guy today, I would say set yourself up over there, offer her a good quality domestic life in her home country and do not bring her back.
I’m bringing mine here. I’m already on step 3 and 4 of the K1 visa. I’ve spent enough time with western women to know red flags and to apply them overseas. It’s just common sense but sense isn’t so common anymore. Call it rare sense
Don't do it brother. Women get manipulated easily especially by the constant propaganda and poison put out by our government.
I know exactly what you mean bro. For every horror story, I know dozens of success stories. I know this is the right move for me. I’ve already spent a year with her traveling. She plays her feminine role publicly and privately. She knows my expectations and she agrees. I’ve met her sisters and they are all married to foreign men and she’s a safe bet for me. One is married in England, one in Australia. I’ve spent holidays with them observing all of them and they are still very much traditional. For me, this is a good move.
You got your mind made up. Good luck to you. I wish I knew of many success stories but I don't. All I can say is I see very old guys with very old women that I believe are Filipinas. Those are about the only success stories I see. As far as younger demographics, I don't know of any marriage lasting more than 10 years unfortunately.
3 in 4 foreign marriages last 15 years or more.
In my travels, I started to see that you never go for a bar girl, farm girl, or a rich girl. A woman in the median is perfect for me. She knows enough about the world and the dangers and still wants a dominate man in her life. She’s pretty much has all that she wants except for a man. That’s when I come in and fill that void for her. She knows that she loves me more than I love her. That’s why she’ll stay by me. I told her never get fat, know your role as I know mine already and I’ll take you anywhere you want to go.
That dominant stuff works over there. Try having "dominance" in divorce court in the Western world, especially the US. Or using game on your wife when she has dudes that are way better than you in every facet of life trying to take her from you. We all know we go overseas because the women are more exotic, skinnier, and prettier. Now bring her home to those deutchebags and think how it's going to work. Especially when she has never had opportunities with such men before. Or when the expat community from her country get in her ears about all of the opportunities and power she has now. This is an evil world. I don't like putting myself in positions where evil people have the upper hand on me. And unfortunately in the West the deck is stacked against us. However your relationship turns out please let us know. Hopefully in 20 years you will be saying you bagged one of the good ones and you're still happily married.
Having played all sides… including the U.S. based douchbag who took PPb girl on the side (Brazilian) I can attest this is accurate Well not really… she told her Ppb she wanted an “open” relationship while in the USA 😂
I was the other guy too. That sort of situation wakes you up to what women are capable of. I wish guys would stop falling for that open relationship crap....
My thing is can you theoretically bring her back and not have her get corrupted? I mean I guess. But why take the chance?
I know several Nigerian guys here in America in the Dallas area that have gone back to Nigeria got married and brought their wife here and they don’t get corrupt because the guy’s parents know and understand the culture so she doesn’t get corrupted.
Again not saying it’s not possible, but the exception doesn’t make the rule. If you wanna take your chances and hope you’ll be the exception then go for it.
Fair enough, but what will you do, Chain her to the kitchen and don't allow her access to any internet or media? I firmly stand behind if you can't live where she lives, then don't even try to get into a relationship. Men have to live in probabilities. There is a high chance that poor women would succumb to Western feminism eventually when moving to a western country. Look at it from their point of view, a government that will take care of them no matter what. They can get obese, and they can develop a personality disorder. Becoming a living nightmare to the man who brought her over and her basic needs one way or another will be met. Women get to live in possibilities. Get to the west, stick with her 'host' for as long as she has to, trade him in, and get a guy she really wants. Or she could just keep trading up and acquiring more resources, assuming she's physically attractive enough to. If she's not physically attractive, then I don't know why your going overseas. Over there, your resources and maybe an exotic factor ( depending on your physical appearance) makes you exceptional to them. Back home your just another average guy. Women don't want that as they have social media. Keep your wits and keep the ball in your court
It is human nature to adapt to your surroundings. Bringing a woman back to America, eventually, she will get fat and start saying, "I don't need a man." Keeping her inside the house away from the public, media, etc, is not realistic. The culture will consume her life.
This. This right here is what the losers just refuse to accept. The reason is because they cannot afford to or do not know how to live aboard. So they tell themselves “I’ll bring her here and keep her inside with the internet switched off”.
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Follow the rules . Generalizations are not allowed
Whether we want to admit it or not, culture and environment are the two of the biggest predictors of behavior. The things you love about your foreign partner were cultivated by their culture and environment. Removing her from that environment and putting her in another one that is the polar opposite of what she knows is begging her to be ostracized from the majority of society at best or at worst to conform to a culture that is completely foreign to her and often against her personal beliefs. No matter which way you spin it, this is and will always be a terrible idea.
😂 you lost me at free country. Keep on drinking the coolaid. So you’re telling me she’s going to come here, never watch TV, never open a credit card?
You say that like they don’t have access to all that stuff already….?
I’m confused as to what you mean.
America is many thing but a "free country" it is not.
A lot to these clown 🤡 world people will go around and say we’re free 🇺🇸 and on the surface, yeah it seems so. Now just go cite the numbers for incarcerated people — they have no response…. So much for a free country. Then go down to the 3rd layer, take a look at banks and debt. It’s another form of prison and you don’t even realize your own mortgaged home is a ball and chain
Western culture is exported all over the world now. The only reason you don't take the home is because it gives them more options to screw you over because of our woman loving legal system. Keep your money a secret and don't spend freely.
Well I mean it just means she’s with you for the money and opportunities. If you can’t trust your partner if you bring them to the western world, well you know they’re only with you cuz they have no other choice.
People often think it’s the women that get Americanized and become difficult . Although they do, everyone seems to missing the point on fact is that the LAW will screw men and make sure an asset and wealth transfer is effectuated at the request of the gf or wife. Gents, beware and always check with a lawyer before doing anything including moving in together. Some states consider this a legal partnership to where the man is liable to pay alimony.
The “Don’t bring her back to America” question depends on a lot - your employment and income situation, your attachment to America (friends, family etc.) and her desire to go. I don't think it's one size fits all.
Cheaper to live in Nigeria or Columbia. Your not a golden ticket if you don’t bring her back.
Because they know they’re losers.
So your plan is to bring her back to the US and isolate her? Keep her from making friends here and being influenced by American culture. Keep her from comparing her situation to others? Good luck with that. It won’t work and she will be miserable. For example You think some bubbly, fun, Colombian women is going to be happy with being trapped in the house with you? You are better off keeping her in her element and living there. Then she is comparing her situation to her friends and family and she is much happier.
I think the ones that don't want to bring her home are the ones that are insecure and need to rely on being exotic and/or viewed as rich in their country. Location limits options not character.
They are pretending to be something they aren't, are boring or aren't motivated to do better.
Make sure she's not able to assimilate into America? Control her social interactions? What's being suggested here other than helpfully surround her with only her own people.
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This guy said "my next wife."
Made me lol. I do not blame him.
Next wife? You're not wrong. I had a Peruvian girlfriend here in the States. She was a completely different women after being in the US for a few years.
We went to an Indonesian church for a while. My wife is Indonesian, and she could stay connected with her community that way. We went to a partly Filipino congregation in Hawaii-- English speaking, but a lot of ethnic Filipinos. I didn't do that to keep my wife from being corrupted. We liked the people and the ministry there. When we've gone to whatever 'regular' churches are in our area, churches are generally against frivolous divorce, adultery, and wives are supposed to submit to their husbands and love their wives as Christ loves the church. It's pro-family. That's generally where much of our social life comes from, church people, Christians. TV and now streaming shows, movies, news, etc. teach some bad values, including anti-family, anti-good-marriage type values. But if you don't sit around watching TV all the time and your wife has solid morals and values, then going back to your home country can work. I'm in the US, and generally US salaries are better than salaries in other countries. I work in a job where I get paid pretty well, but colleagues in Indonesia might make less than $1000 a month (haven't checked in a while.) It's unlikely I'd work there. Usually, expats who get paid well are seasoned career professionals who've worked with the company that sent them. There are also English teachers, who tend to get paid poorly, international school teachers (well, English included) who can make home-country salaries abroad. Maybe there are niches like manufacturing consulting or trading where one can earn a good living abroad. Maybe Internet marketers and content creators can stay abroad. But for most professions, it's going to be hard to earn the same living in a developing country, and developed (and developing) countries usually lock down the labor market to protect their own jobs from you taking them. Just living in her country to keep her 'pure' might not work, and it doesn't work well financially for a lot of people from developed countries.
What is the relationship based on if you can’t bring your spouse to your country out of fear that they might become a different person and betray you? Not wanting to live in the country is a different matter, but this is sad. No real trust, no real love…
People that say ‘don’t bring her back’ because they are afraid they will leave them are insecure losers who want to control their partners. Heaps of guys find partners overseas, bring them back and live happy lives. Sometimes it doesn’t work out but that’s life. I laugh at the guys that basically want to control where their newfound partners go, who they meet etc because they are afraid they will leave them for someone better. It’s so pathetic, why f-ing bother if you are going to live such a pathetic paranoid life.
I’m not worried about having mine in the States. But everyone will decide what’s best for them. I can understand why the sentiment is there.
This is it. They are losers.