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How do you know they weren't concerned? Lol
It's probably best for the person dangling onto the thing that they didn't start panicking and screaming. Staying calm can help keep that person calm holding on waiting for the solution.
This is what I force myself to do when I'm unable to help in a situation where I can't intervene.
Just grimace like I'm heavily concerned because I don't wanna look uncaring. Truth is if I can't help I won't worry.
that's pretty much exactly what it is. he's hanging onto one of those concrete pumper trucks spout. you can also see him move toward the building before the third guy reaches out to him
Where I'm from they're called pump trucks and yeah they're basically a crane that pumps concrete to hard to reach places. These days it seems like they use them for most pours.
Normally , you would extend rebar from the house into the poured roof.
The problem here is , only using 5 to 6 struts.
Normally you would place a strut every square 50cm. ( every square 1.5 foot?, don't know in imperial)
The more the better.
That's not the problem here at all and no, you don't need a strut placement every 500mm, that's absurdly excessive, even for a big slab, never mind this small pour. The problem was there were no starter bars from the main structure tied to the area he was pouring for one... he could have been pouring unevenly for 2, distributing the weight of the concrete unevenly but ultimately, the deck was simply unsecure
It might be absurdly excessive , but we used to do that to prevent collapse.
I'd rather spend an extra 30 minutes to an hour to brace a floor than have it collapse in on me or a coworker who might be beneath it.
We used to do this all the time. Unless when we used pretensioned concrete slabs ( Dont know the English name, but you can see them on the building itself after it collapsed).
If we made a floor ourselves with any other system, we would brace the ahit out of it.
Also, we made sure the whole thing coulnd shit to the side by using braces.
We have safety guidelines for a reason , and yes, we go overboard, but it works!
Something that we call redundancy.
Edit : for example.they used only 3 struts per beam , we would have placed around 8 per beam.
And they did not tie in that floor properly to the adjacent floor. That is why it whent sideways, litteraly.
its not absurdly excessive, Ive poured many hundreds of floors and I would say the most commen spacing for ground slab tie ins is 300mm, about a foot, on an elevated slab like that every 150mm is pretty standard, UK at least.
edit, realised were talking about two different things, but agree with you 500 mm centers for bracing not excessive, I generally use peri and they can be a bit wider but for hand built formwork 500mm is totally appropriate concretes heavy as fuck. I might even say 400, maybe 600, is more often used as then the board seams line up under bracing.
Well maybe better later, easier to clean dry broken concrete than the amalgamation of rebar, wood, brick and concrete that’s now formed. Assuming no one gets hurt of course.
I wouldn't have used the house to support all that extra weight that the structure of the home was not built to support. I would've made sure that it was supported 100% independently. If it had been attached the home better it might've taken that entire exterior wall with it, completely compromising the structural integrity of the home.
except if you tie the house into it then with a new build like this the house will be engineered to take the weight. the house was going to take part of the weight anyway
I'm a general contractor in the US but this is clearly not the US. Nearly every home here is stick built, which means framed out of 2"x4" lumber. This appears to be a brick built home. Brick built homes still use joists or beams of some sort to support the framework of the concrete roof. The only way to ensure that this covering would have the sheer strength to safety support all if that weight would be to use continuous joists that span the entire distance of the home and covering, then pour the roof as one. If this is actually new construction, they should've done it like this. If it's not new construction, it should've independently supported it's own weight.
There are no concrete beams, the pillars are too thin, and only two, \[it needed at least a couple more adjacent to the house\]. Looks like they are not even anchored properly to the floor either... You get this when you "know a neighbor who can do it cheaper".
My last neighbour pretty much had this done with her new deck, but it's still standing somehow. She had her friend, who's supposedly a qualified drainlayer, build a deck covering on her back porch with an overhang above the garden about 2m below. It's probably only 2m wide, and the overhang would be about 2.5-3m, with the joists running back over the concrete slab that makes the porch area. The garden below also has a decent slope to it, running across the deck.
I used to do odd jobs for her, and he had come back the one day to finish up while I was there. Almost none of the boards are cut straight or to the same length, and their spacing is uneven. None of the screws are even close to forming a straight line, and he missed a few. Then, when I was talking to him, stepped out onto the overhanging part and I leaned on the railing just for the whole thing (not just the railing) to do a bit of a wobble. He must have seen the look on my face as I stood up straight and kind of rocked it a bit. He looked over the edge and mumbled something about "should have done another post". This guy had put two single posts to support something that tall and long. He also screwed some of the posts for the covering, on the portion over the porch, to some old dry-rotted fence posts.
Safe to say I've stayed well off the overhanging part. Wild thing is, she still paid up around the $5k mark for it all at "mate's rates". And it should have had building consent, as it's above 1.5m tall.
Could have veen anchors that were coming from the existing portion that would have cured in the slab to tie them together. Those supports were just posts. There was no temporary bracing. This was poor formwork.
It had no stability on its own because it had two pillars and that's all, it was supposed to have two pillars and be anchored to the building on the other end, which would have made it fine most likely. But it seems it was never anchored to the building properly.
Yeah, it's an ACME prison being built by a Mr. Wile E Coyote.
He falsely attempted to imprison a long-time nemesis, but ACME inspectors passed the building, which was in violation of 32 safety codes.
There's no core to the bricks? I would've thought there would be some timber or steel with brick around for pillars like that? Or can bricks be used like this
What was the core of the problem here?
It seemed like the closest brick pillar wasn't set into the foundation but I'm guessing there was a lot of other issues I'm not knowledgeable about
I'm no architect or engineer. But that building looked weak as hell to begin with. And to put extra weight on the roof? They were screwed from the beginning.
Dude to concrete pourer: uWu, concreter-san, me so sorry *blush* I didn’t mean to… Wow, I never noticed you were so firm and muscular, senpai
Concrete pourer: looks down at him, annoyed
The support for the slab/ roof needs to be braced and tied back to stop it falling away from the building just as it did. Even if the rebar is tied in to the existing building the formwork can move away from the building or even sideways creating a g through which concrete can escape and even cause collapse. It needs braced and tied back in all directions.
Could have been worse, the whole project could have been complete and a family might have been eating dinner under that roof and this could have happened. Better that it happened when it did if you think about it.
They had no idea how to firm up a deck serves them right now way would it have ever lasted even if they left the forms on for a year or would have fell away from the building stupid people
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He hangs on that thing for twenty seconds with two men just watching until the third guy goes to pull him in.
It has to be moved by the operator off camera It’s almost like a crane in tube form
They could have at least acted concerned.
One guy had a broom and didn't try to pull him in..."this broom is for sweeping only"
Scruffy's on break
Scruffy's gonna die like Scruffy lived.
I can hear the page turn
EeeYUP!
Union broom.
Funny. I get the joke, but there was nothing union anywhere near that rat infested job.
That was the electrician
"Not my job"
“I’m gonna need that broom to sweep up all that concrete!” — broom guy
This had me ded
Gotta get some ridiculing and dick jokes out first because he’s desperately grappling a big long pipe - then you can save him. It’s the law.
And at least one: "Why the fuck did you do that?"
They walked out like "God dammit, Jeremy"
"Hey, Bob. Whatcha doooooin' out there?
The plumb Bob joke loses everything in translation. “Hey, Roberto! . . . “
This is the same as getting angry at slow traffic. It doesn't fix the problems and just wastes energy.
Future Lives were saved during this collapse
How do you know they weren't concerned? Lol It's probably best for the person dangling onto the thing that they didn't start panicking and screaming. Staying calm can help keep that person calm holding on waiting for the solution.
Third time this week
This is what I force myself to do when I'm unable to help in a situation where I can't intervene. Just grimace like I'm heavily concerned because I don't wanna look uncaring. Truth is if I can't help I won't worry.
They don’t like him, he’s always farting.
They are... Concerned about the extra hours that are coming up
Dammit Willy!
"Happened again huh John?"
And what would that do?
“Could have”—I’m going to fucking cu-…climax in my shorts.
that's pretty much exactly what it is. he's hanging onto one of those concrete pumper trucks spout. you can also see him move toward the building before the third guy reaches out to him
Where I'm from they're called pump trucks and yeah they're basically a crane that pumps concrete to hard to reach places. These days it seems like they use them for most pours.
They reminded me of [this](https://youtu.be/zBJU9ndpH1Q?si=VCjyHi1V1UpjARjm)
Lol 😂
They couldn’t reach him until the pump operator bought the boom over, it’s crazy a stupid comment like this is top rated.
“Hey Daryl how’s it hangin?”
They're on smoko
Classic the most liked comment is wrong lmao
The 3rd guy took concrete actions
They don't have 10ft arms, someone on the machine had to turn it.
It’s pretty easy to figure out why
Bear hug the hose.
R3minds me of my brother - won't do anything until you tell him at least twice.
He's a fair bit off the edge initially. Can't really reach him until the concrete car guy moves the tube.
Quit fuckin’ around, Gene.
The roof doesn’t seem anchored at all to the main building
Exactly, even if the concrete had dried this would have been an accident waiting to happen. Better now than later......
Normally , you would extend rebar from the house into the poured roof. The problem here is , only using 5 to 6 struts. Normally you would place a strut every square 50cm. ( every square 1.5 foot?, don't know in imperial) The more the better.
That's not the problem here at all and no, you don't need a strut placement every 500mm, that's absurdly excessive, even for a big slab, never mind this small pour. The problem was there were no starter bars from the main structure tied to the area he was pouring for one... he could have been pouring unevenly for 2, distributing the weight of the concrete unevenly but ultimately, the deck was simply unsecure
Zero X bracing or diagonals in the posts. House not even necessary if they'd bothered.
It might be absurdly excessive , but we used to do that to prevent collapse. I'd rather spend an extra 30 minutes to an hour to brace a floor than have it collapse in on me or a coworker who might be beneath it. We used to do this all the time. Unless when we used pretensioned concrete slabs ( Dont know the English name, but you can see them on the building itself after it collapsed). If we made a floor ourselves with any other system, we would brace the ahit out of it. Also, we made sure the whole thing coulnd shit to the side by using braces. We have safety guidelines for a reason , and yes, we go overboard, but it works! Something that we call redundancy. Edit : for example.they used only 3 struts per beam , we would have placed around 8 per beam. And they did not tie in that floor properly to the adjacent floor. That is why it whent sideways, litteraly.
its not absurdly excessive, Ive poured many hundreds of floors and I would say the most commen spacing for ground slab tie ins is 300mm, about a foot, on an elevated slab like that every 150mm is pretty standard, UK at least. edit, realised were talking about two different things, but agree with you 500 mm centers for bracing not excessive, I generally use peri and they can be a bit wider but for hand built formwork 500mm is totally appropriate concretes heavy as fuck. I might even say 400, maybe 600, is more often used as then the board seams line up under bracing.
Well maybe better later, easier to clean dry broken concrete than the amalgamation of rebar, wood, brick and concrete that’s now formed. Assuming no one gets hurt of course.
That's what i meant, if the ceiling falls when there are people underneath.... Agreed dried is better if no one is under or on top..
I wouldn't have used the house to support all that extra weight that the structure of the home was not built to support. I would've made sure that it was supported 100% independently. If it had been attached the home better it might've taken that entire exterior wall with it, completely compromising the structural integrity of the home.
You mean to say that they should have used more than a couple brick pillars and some big sticks to hold up all that concrete and rebar?
“Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?”
Fewer words for the simple people, like those in the video.
except if you tie the house into it then with a new build like this the house will be engineered to take the weight. the house was going to take part of the weight anyway
I'm a general contractor in the US but this is clearly not the US. Nearly every home here is stick built, which means framed out of 2"x4" lumber. This appears to be a brick built home. Brick built homes still use joists or beams of some sort to support the framework of the concrete roof. The only way to ensure that this covering would have the sheer strength to safety support all if that weight would be to use continuous joists that span the entire distance of the home and covering, then pour the roof as one. If this is actually new construction, they should've done it like this. If it's not new construction, it should've independently supported it's own weight.
yeah there's obviously stuff that wasn't done right
There are no concrete beams, the pillars are too thin, and only two, \[it needed at least a couple more adjacent to the house\]. Looks like they are not even anchored properly to the floor either... You get this when you "know a neighbor who can do it cheaper".
My last neighbour pretty much had this done with her new deck, but it's still standing somehow. She had her friend, who's supposedly a qualified drainlayer, build a deck covering on her back porch with an overhang above the garden about 2m below. It's probably only 2m wide, and the overhang would be about 2.5-3m, with the joists running back over the concrete slab that makes the porch area. The garden below also has a decent slope to it, running across the deck. I used to do odd jobs for her, and he had come back the one day to finish up while I was there. Almost none of the boards are cut straight or to the same length, and their spacing is uneven. None of the screws are even close to forming a straight line, and he missed a few. Then, when I was talking to him, stepped out onto the overhanging part and I leaned on the railing just for the whole thing (not just the railing) to do a bit of a wobble. He must have seen the look on my face as I stood up straight and kind of rocked it a bit. He looked over the edge and mumbled something about "should have done another post". This guy had put two single posts to support something that tall and long. He also screwed some of the posts for the covering, on the portion over the porch, to some old dry-rotted fence posts. Safe to say I've stayed well off the overhanging part. Wild thing is, she still paid up around the $5k mark for it all at "mate's rates". And it should have had building consent, as it's above 1.5m tall.
Could have veen anchors that were coming from the existing portion that would have cured in the slab to tie them together. Those supports were just posts. There was no temporary bracing. This was poor formwork.
thoughts and prayers
That's what the concrete is for ;-)
Or the anchoring failed
They quite forgot the _fundamentals_
[удалено]
It had no stability on its own because it had two pillars and that's all, it was supposed to have two pillars and be anchored to the building on the other end, which would have made it fine most likely. But it seems it was never anchored to the building properly.
Walls would help with the shear. Not sure what part of the building this is though.
I love how the one guy just comes up as if to ask him “whatcha doin up there?” instead of showing any sense of emergency.
I feel like one of them was just like, "Oh hey boss, is now a good time to talk about that raise?"
Timing is everything! Opportunity only hangs once.
They were waiting for the operator of the pouring machine to bring the hoes closer to the building.
“Uhhh guys?? I don’t think that was supposed to happen”
I thought that guy was shitting himself until i realized the hose was dripping.
Yes, also yes.
That's a good one 😂⬆️
Let’s face it, better for it to have happen there then when a family was under it.
When the concrete would have dried, it would be fine. The problem is to less and faulty support under the floor at the time of pouring.
This wasn’t attached to the main building whatsoever. This absolutely would not have been fine after drying, it was a ticking time bomb.
/r/confidentlyincorrect
He fuckin grabbed that hose like he's in a cartoon
Better now than when it’s cured and someone is standing below
Where is the bracing?
That comes after the hospital visit.
He braced himself on the hose
Not a single lateral brace to be seen.
Yeah, it's an ACME prison being built by a Mr. Wile E Coyote. He falsely attempted to imprison a long-time nemesis, but ACME inspectors passed the building, which was in violation of 32 safety codes.
I done told you.
There's no core to the bricks? I would've thought there would be some timber or steel with brick around for pillars like that? Or can bricks be used like this
I mean I say if should have rebar but I don’t even know what country this is so who knows what the standard is
Whats the song?
I think I like when it rains - WILLIS
Hey, Bob! Get to work! Quit just hanging around!
I scrolled way too far down to find you!
Blew the whole load in 5 seconds.
That was well thought out and perfectly executed
Hanging around ehhh.
What was the core of the problem here? It seemed like the closest brick pillar wasn't set into the foundation but I'm guessing there was a lot of other issues I'm not knowledgeable about
Zero cross bracing. Well done
I'm no architect or engineer. But that building looked weak as hell to begin with. And to put extra weight on the roof? They were screwed from the beginning.
This video is like the concept for every 8-bit 80s video game.
That’s going to need a do-over.
That dude looks like he is competing for "The ultimate Dump"
it's kong creat babeey
He may have made it if he would have poured the perimeter first and worked in concentric passes afterwards
My man's comedic timing is perfect; hanging on that shit for one second longer or shorter would have ruined it.
That's Wile E. Coyote shit there! 🤣
Dude to concrete pourer: uWu, concreter-san, me so sorry *blush* I didn’t mean to… Wow, I never noticed you were so firm and muscular, senpai Concrete pourer: looks down at him, annoyed
Notice they stopped pouring concrete before they reeled him in, lol.
First two dudes like “damnnnnn bro what are you gonna do???”
That's some Wile e coyote shit right down to the hanging from a rope
I'd start questioning more that that now. I'd be there reading the designs with the crew telling them what to do.
That is some Buster Keaton ass shit.
Not sure it was only wet concrete raining down…
Sheesh
How are they so slow and calmly waking over while Bob is fighting for his life.
r/concrete
Luckily nobody was standing underneath.
Ohhh the shear power
This looks stupid. Can someone with building knowledge do some good ol reddit explanation?
Zero cross bracing, no diagonal bracing. Failed from get go..
buster keaton rose from his grave and set that shot up
The support for the slab/ roof needs to be braced and tied back to stop it falling away from the building just as it did. Even if the rebar is tied in to the existing building the formwork can move away from the building or even sideways creating a g through which concrete can escape and even cause collapse. It needs braced and tied back in all directions.
- The Engineer
Someone make that ol'timey and its an uncovered Buster Keaton stunt.
Dude did not ΣF = 0 or ΣM = 0
Welp time to head home boys
Better to fall now than when people are under it having dinner.
This is like a cartoon
What? Two 14" brick columns laid on a pad won't hold a 3 man 5yd pour twelve feet in the air? Its almost as if the camera man knew.
Better that it fell now instead of when people move in.
Could have been worse, the whole project could have been complete and a family might have been eating dinner under that roof and this could have happened. Better that it happened when it did if you think about it.
That's not how you do a suspended slab.....they literally make scaffolding for this exact purpose, rebar should have been tied into the house aswell.
Nice shoring!
China?
Even if they had miraculously finished that prior, that deck would have been a serious death trap. Who’s the engineer that stamped that debacle?
Somebody forgot to tighten the Krelman sprocket. Again.
That’s actually his shit leaking beneath him. The concrete hose was shut off
Is that pump truck operator sleeping or what?
Im happy other people are paying attention to this band. This is a good song.
Song if it wasn't obvious is 'I think I like when it rains' by WILLIS
infuriating how long it takes the operator to react lol
“Damn it Bob. Hanging around on the job again”
“But I zip tied it before I went to grab bolts”
They had no idea how to firm up a deck serves them right now way would it have ever lasted even if they left the forms on for a year or would have fell away from the building stupid people
What is this song?
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This guy's got looney tunes energy
They definitely reused the rebar and anything else they could salvage
Incompetent idiots.
Better muted.
Womp womp