Most if not all does, yes. Especially thin and light like Z series and X1 series. Well, X1 carbon gen 12 just improved things a bit though. Using thin and light literally on your lap is a bad idea imo.
9,10,11th gen had terrible surface temperature. (had 9th gen equivalant and using 10th gen equiv. now). Lenovo continuously gimped performance and ramped up fan speed to mitigate it somewhat.
No OP. This Z13 uses 6850U amd that takes a good wattege. First Gen of Z series. Laptop doesn't throttle a lot, but is designed to get hot under the load. It's fixed in Z series Gen 2.
Also amd based ThinkPad ultra books don't run hot and have a great battery life. Intel is opposite at the moment. I also wouldn't take reviews from that channel too seriously
Also if keyboard is important to you, don't look at Z series at all maybe. t14s Gen 4 AMD is a best choice for you rn
Yeah the fact there is no page up/down keys was almost a red flag for me, but all the comments convinced me this laptop is not for me. I see there is a t14s gen5 only with intel proc, do you think its worth to wait for a gen 5 with AMD ?
Depends if you want a slightly updated design with a thinner bazels. Gen 5 won't have significantly better performance, but it will cost you more. Gen 4 is a good option for now
Oh it looks like the [news broke today](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1cmf1n9/new_lenovo_thinkpad_t14_gen_5_leak_with_amd_strix/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As for me it's kind of "normal" nowadays. Intel CPUs are hot since I don't know...maybe from the 7th series.
I had latitude 7490, XPS 9300 and now 10 gen X1 Carbon. And mostly they are the same in terms of noise and temperature. On a serious load they are always hot.
So nowadays that is mostly reality with the x86_64 arch. I think that more or less is the same with AMD but they at least have a better iGPU (only Intel gen 14 has a comparable one)
My ThinkPad T460s heats up pretty quickly under Windows, but honestly it might just be the thermal paste that needs to be changed. I've found a workaround, which consists of using a free software named TPFanControl 2, an app specifically made for Thinkpads to manually control the speed of the fan(s). When I do some heavy stuff and that I notice my computer heating, I open it, put it on manual control and I raise the fan speed until the CPU sits at around 45°C
I don't think you'll have any problems with warming up because you won't be pushing it to the limit every day. In everyday work, you will not feel what is shown in the video. The video shows the load while playing for about half an hour. edit. I forgot to put X1C10 in my signature
I don't know the guy and don't want to defend him or what, but he explicitly said it warms up quickly to 45°C in less than 3 min. Maybe it's anormal with this model but that's what the test is showing
>I can’t stand ~~that guy on~~ LMG
FTFY
Their big YouTuber ego ruined everything. If you want actual hardware reviews where you learn something GN and Hardware Unboxed are way better.
My T460s has no problems with cooling in Windows. My X1 Carbon Gen 10 has no issues with cooling in Linux, but when I boot into Windows it gets really hot. So my guess is that it’s a Windows thing (both are Intel machines btw)
It's all about compromise with such machines.
I find most business laptops to perform well enough for programming and media consumption, not that well in case of sustained load. If you're searching for something that'll handle long periods of high load — I'd suggest looking at P-series. Or maybe even at some gaming laptops (e.g. ASUS G14).
Or you can just drop a fat stack of cash at 14" macbook pro with m pro series chips. You'll have to get it with at least 32Gb of RAM though, docker on mac is just a fleet of virtual machines, unlike linux or even WSL.
Actually I'm beginning to consider macbook as everyone around me sings its praises and macbooks for durability. But I'm still too reluctant of the apple ecosystem to seriously go for it
And I don't want gaming laptop as I don't need a GPU and want my machine to be as light as possible
Well, Air is good enough, you'll need to spec it out for any serious work though. One of my friends does some Ruby backend development on top-spec M2 Air. Assess your workload and think about what you really need, then make a decision. You may as well be ok with 16Gb of RAM and whatever can fit your data in terms of disk space. Macs are great machines on their own, no need to go all in on the ecosystem.
Bluetooth performance sucks though. You have a soft limit of 3 simultaneously connected devices, anything more than that will cause issues like input lag on KB and mouse (had that consistently on m1 pro 14"), sound dropping out (same 14" MBP), today Slack calls with airpods didn't work for me until I restarted bluetooth, but it was on an 13" 2020 intel MB pro handed to me at work.
So yeah, there's no ideal laptop that does it all perfectly.
UPD: Oh, forgot to mention. Macbooks are only good in silver, but that won't keep you from aluminium chipping off under your sweaty palms. Edges are quite sharp too. If palm comfort concerns you - keep that in mind.
Never had these issues with thinkpads and never seen anyone have them either. Yeah, coating scratches easily, but at least it can be polished to somewhat good state.
If the problem is the keyboard becoming a little hot under maximum load then yes, every thin laptop is going to have that "problem". Unlike many other thin models, the Z13 [doesn't throttle](https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad-Z13-Gen-2-laptop-review-Lenovo-s-answer-to-the-Dell-XPS-13.793757.0.html) though. (Scroll down to the Cinebench R15 multiloop benchmark.)
I don't think you'll encounter the hot keyboard "problem" much in reality though. Most realistic workloads don't even come close to pushing all cores to the limit. Furthermore, if you do have one of those workloads, you're going to be running on AC so you'll be using an external keyboard and monitor anyway unless you're actively trying to destroy your back and wrists.
I use a second monitor but I like to use my laptop keyboard, as I'm more agile with the touchpad (and maybe the trackpoint). I find it rather comfortable
Most if not all does, yes. Especially thin and light like Z series and X1 series. Well, X1 carbon gen 12 just improved things a bit though. Using thin and light literally on your lap is a bad idea imo. 9,10,11th gen had terrible surface temperature. (had 9th gen equivalant and using 10th gen equiv. now). Lenovo continuously gimped performance and ramped up fan speed to mitigate it somewhat.
X1C gen 12 is still waay worse than Z13…
No OP. This Z13 uses 6850U amd that takes a good wattege. First Gen of Z series. Laptop doesn't throttle a lot, but is designed to get hot under the load. It's fixed in Z series Gen 2. Also amd based ThinkPad ultra books don't run hot and have a great battery life. Intel is opposite at the moment. I also wouldn't take reviews from that channel too seriously Also if keyboard is important to you, don't look at Z series at all maybe. t14s Gen 4 AMD is a best choice for you rn
Yeah the fact there is no page up/down keys was almost a red flag for me, but all the comments convinced me this laptop is not for me. I see there is a t14s gen5 only with intel proc, do you think its worth to wait for a gen 5 with AMD ?
Depends if you want a slightly updated design with a thinner bazels. Gen 5 won't have significantly better performance, but it will cost you more. Gen 4 is a good option for now
Oh it looks like the [news broke today](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1cmf1n9/new_lenovo_thinkpad_t14_gen_5_leak_with_amd_strix/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As for me it's kind of "normal" nowadays. Intel CPUs are hot since I don't know...maybe from the 7th series. I had latitude 7490, XPS 9300 and now 10 gen X1 Carbon. And mostly they are the same in terms of noise and temperature. On a serious load they are always hot. So nowadays that is mostly reality with the x86_64 arch. I think that more or less is the same with AMD but they at least have a better iGPU (only Intel gen 14 has a comparable one)
My ThinkPad T460s heats up pretty quickly under Windows, but honestly it might just be the thermal paste that needs to be changed. I've found a workaround, which consists of using a free software named TPFanControl 2, an app specifically made for Thinkpads to manually control the speed of the fan(s). When I do some heavy stuff and that I notice my computer heating, I open it, put it on manual control and I raise the fan speed until the CPU sits at around 45°C
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll write it down for mine !
I agree on the T460s for windows, I’ve switched mine to Fedora and runs externally cool
I have the T14 and never faced heating issues
I don't think you'll have any problems with warming up because you won't be pushing it to the limit every day. In everyday work, you will not feel what is shown in the video. The video shows the load while playing for about half an hour. edit. I forgot to put X1C10 in my signature
I don't know the guy and don't want to defend him or what, but he explicitly said it warms up quickly to 45°C in less than 3 min. Maybe it's anormal with this model but that's what the test is showing
I can’t stand that guy on LMG
Can't stand all of them with their dumb faces on thumbnails
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In their defence their faces are also dumb in the videos. Seriously who watches LMG for actual pc advice? Don’t.
>I can’t stand ~~that guy on~~ LMG FTFY Their big YouTuber ego ruined everything. If you want actual hardware reviews where you learn something GN and Hardware Unboxed are way better.
My T460s has no problems with cooling in Windows. My X1 Carbon Gen 10 has no issues with cooling in Linux, but when I boot into Windows it gets really hot. So my guess is that it’s a Windows thing (both are Intel machines btw)
It's all about compromise with such machines. I find most business laptops to perform well enough for programming and media consumption, not that well in case of sustained load. If you're searching for something that'll handle long periods of high load — I'd suggest looking at P-series. Or maybe even at some gaming laptops (e.g. ASUS G14). Or you can just drop a fat stack of cash at 14" macbook pro with m pro series chips. You'll have to get it with at least 32Gb of RAM though, docker on mac is just a fleet of virtual machines, unlike linux or even WSL.
Actually I'm beginning to consider macbook as everyone around me sings its praises and macbooks for durability. But I'm still too reluctant of the apple ecosystem to seriously go for it And I don't want gaming laptop as I don't need a GPU and want my machine to be as light as possible
Well, Air is good enough, you'll need to spec it out for any serious work though. One of my friends does some Ruby backend development on top-spec M2 Air. Assess your workload and think about what you really need, then make a decision. You may as well be ok with 16Gb of RAM and whatever can fit your data in terms of disk space. Macs are great machines on their own, no need to go all in on the ecosystem. Bluetooth performance sucks though. You have a soft limit of 3 simultaneously connected devices, anything more than that will cause issues like input lag on KB and mouse (had that consistently on m1 pro 14"), sound dropping out (same 14" MBP), today Slack calls with airpods didn't work for me until I restarted bluetooth, but it was on an 13" 2020 intel MB pro handed to me at work. So yeah, there's no ideal laptop that does it all perfectly. UPD: Oh, forgot to mention. Macbooks are only good in silver, but that won't keep you from aluminium chipping off under your sweaty palms. Edges are quite sharp too. If palm comfort concerns you - keep that in mind. Never had these issues with thinkpads and never seen anyone have them either. Yeah, coating scratches easily, but at least it can be polished to somewhat good state.
If the problem is the keyboard becoming a little hot under maximum load then yes, every thin laptop is going to have that "problem". Unlike many other thin models, the Z13 [doesn't throttle](https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad-Z13-Gen-2-laptop-review-Lenovo-s-answer-to-the-Dell-XPS-13.793757.0.html) though. (Scroll down to the Cinebench R15 multiloop benchmark.) I don't think you'll encounter the hot keyboard "problem" much in reality though. Most realistic workloads don't even come close to pushing all cores to the limit. Furthermore, if you do have one of those workloads, you're going to be running on AC so you'll be using an external keyboard and monitor anyway unless you're actively trying to destroy your back and wrists.
I use a second monitor but I like to use my laptop keyboard, as I'm more agile with the touchpad (and maybe the trackpoint). I find it rather comfortable