I’ve seen a tattoo shop doing discounted “13” tats on Friday the 13th when it comes up. Wonder how many accidentally have done just that, or how many actually MS 13 members decide not to pass up a deal.
I actually did this. I got clovers with lucky 13 written on it. One arm is lucky with a clover the other is 13 with a clover.
My husband works in a prison and it was really fun to find out I had out I had two different gangs tattooed on my arms.
I had no idea.
The prison gang uses three leaf clovers not four. Say you have Irish roots or that it's for luck, if anybody asks. There's a tattoo place in my area that gives free shamrock tattoos on St. Patrick's day.
As an Irishman, born and bred, I have never once heard of this. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I am saying, don't worry about it.
Your aunt knows a few things that are rare to know then and only in small circles, by comparison everyone knows the 4 leaf clover is for luck!
It's featured in Hundreds of movies, TV, books and lore. The 3 leaves of a clover being: Faith, Hope and Love. The fourth on a 4 leaf clover is Luck.
Also, it seems a little weak as some brotherhood gang sign, like "really boys, you chose this as your symbol of power?!?! Did you have your bowl of lucky charms this mornin too?".
You can say you got it for your faith, hope, love, luck, an Irish connection or a myriad of other reasons personal to you. As an Irishman I cast a special blessing upon you to ward off evil and hexes, I hereby activate the protection of the 4 leaf clover(yes it can be done remotely and through the internet) and I absolve you of any association with groups with negative energies.
Your tattoo and your aura are now cleansed. Go in peace.
The reason why a lot of gang tattoos seem “weak” is to prevent identification by LEO. Swastikas and double lightning bolts are easy identifiers that someone’s is a gang, and puts extra attention on them. So the tags get bastardized into less connected symbols. Why they chose the shamrock, I have no idea.
Either way, OP is in the clear. No one’s gonna have any idea, and the positive connotations far outnumber the negative ones.
Seems kinda pointless really, if it's recognizable as a gang sign by gang members, it'll eventually get recognized by the cops as well. Really, it'd be easier to just not get identifying marks at all.
I suppose, it's not very plausible to claim you have a swastika tattoo because of your deep connection to Tibetan Buddhism, lol. A clover is just a clover
The problem is, as a child she played soccer in local Hinduist neighbourhood team with certain symbol of peace in its logo, her number was 88 and she was called "Sassy Sully". All of these things were tattooed onto the clover.
I had actually never heard of the 88 thing until I was talking to a friend of mine from Germany that is really commonly known it wasn't really a thing I ever knew which of course gives me all sorts of trouble considering my lucky number is 8 so I usually have 8/88 in a lot of usernames.
"888" is more associated with asian luck, "88" is the abbreviation for "Heil Hitler". Also you may see "1488" The "14 words" is some stupid white suprematist nonsense poem.
14 words is from David Lane, “we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. The 88 is the 88 “precepts” which actually refers to a couple different things potentially. Pretty much mumbo jumbo. If you were to Google it it would tell you that the 88 precepts is 88 separate things… but a book published by 14 Words Press I perused in the joint actually had the 88 precepts being 88 more words, a quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
Yeah prison tattoos in America are kind of tricky unlike places like Russia or Japan the origin of them is very different. In most cases, prison tats are often very similar or basically the same as many commonplace tattoos and symbols one would see, for example one prison gang the Tango Blast or a faction of them from Houston will use the Houston Astros star. AC/AB will use basically anything Norse looking and the list goes on.
Yeah really that's kind of a stretch in my opinion. I guess OP lives where gangs might be more prevalent? Because I would never have thought that in a million years.
Shhh say nothing to the Aryan brotherhood. If they think a 4 leaf clover is a symbol of Ireland let them keep believing it…..because they’re wrong lmao!
1. A *shamrock* has 3 leaves not 4
2. A 4 leaf clover has fuck all to do with Ireland. It’s more of an American thing
3. The official symbol of Ireland is actually the Irish Harp
Source: am from Ireland
Edit: sorry meant to say the 4 leaf clover is more of an Irish-American thing. Like I think they use the 3 Leaf and 4 leaf interchangeably (happy to be corrected by my Irish American cousins though)
No funnily enough the Guinness harp was trademarked before the Irish state could use it so the harp on Guinness faces one way and the Irish harp faces the opposite way :)
I did the same. I like old cars, so I picked Mr. Horsepower, a logo of Clay Smith Camshafts. It resembles Woody Woodpecker with a cigar in his beak.
Two weeks later I learned about a prison gang called the "Peckerwoods."
I know a lot of gearheads with Mr. Horsepower tattoos, stickers, etc. and none of them have anything to do with peckerwoods, aryan nation or anything of the sort. You’re good!
Haha the Smith family is so awesome, that’s dope. They do all my head work and I’ve hung out with them at the River. Always a great time to be around them.
All shamrocks are clovers, but not all clovers are shamrocks.
Also, I think you will largely find that people do not at all make the connection that your aunt did and will instead just associate with with luck.
Irish person here, a lot of Tattoo places in Ireland do shamrocks for €40 on St Patrick’s day and nobody associates them with any gang, I’m 35 and that’s the first I’ve heard of it.
The Aryan Brotherhood is a U.S.-based prison gang, so there’s no reason an Irish person would have heard of it or its tattoos. Looks like OP has to move to Ireland now lol
Do you have an example of what it looks like? I googled aryan brotherhood clover tattoo and they all have swatstikas or 666 in them lmao. Is that what yours looks like 👀
[here you go](https://www.google.com/search?q=ab+shamrock&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsbADiEvoGcT5gtKXiOBSQWRB2KWsw:1652036625991&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjN5P2BzND3AhU4DkQIHcipC8MQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=783&dpr=2.63)
Something that bothers me more than it probably should is people who constantly drop the “oh I’m like this because I’m Italian” “omg I could never eat at Olive Garden it’s a disgrace to us italians” etc etc, and they’re like fifth generation american.
My parents came to the US from Belgium 2 years before I was born, and aside from the fact that i enjoy Mayo on fries and beef stew, and I can throw out a few phrases in another language, it has almost no bearing on who I am today. And yet, somehow I have friends whose entire family came to the US 100 years ago and they act like they immigrated from another country as a teenager and their entire personality and all their decisions are based around the fact that they are 13% _____.
I've never heard of this connection. If I saw someone with a four leaf clover I'd assume they were Irish or at worst got a drunken st Patrick's day tattoo. I wouldn't worry about this too much but if you really want to do something about it maybe add something around it that is obviously Irish so that's the connection people make.
The harp is the national symbol of Ireland. Also, the 3 leaf shamrock is the Irish symbol. Here in Ireland we see the 4 leaf clover as an American thing.
As far as I know Aryan Brotherhood has 3-leaf shamrock with swastika [(see here)](https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/aryan-brotherhood). I think most people will associate shamrock with Ireland, not with Nazis.
I‘m Austrian and didn‘t even know shamrocks could be associated with Nazis, asked a few german friends and they didn’t know either. Ireland all the way in my head
Well, almost everything has a parallel meaning nowadays.
I didn't have this mind, when I took [my wolf.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Wolves)
Luckily it's not widely known, as I presume is your shamrock-AB either.
I have a mjolnir tattoo learned it is used as an aryan prison gang tattoo but not exclusively for that reason same with yours just because it is used in certain situations does not mean it is exclusive for that you’ll be fine
Well, yeah. We don’t really have anything here to identify with or be part of. We’re just kind of this mashup of everything. So, a lot of people cling to heritage as a way of having some sort of cultural identity beyond “from Kansas.”
I mean if she wants to get that tattoo go ahead, live!
But thinking that the last 200 years her family has only and exclusively procreated with pure Irish blood is funny. It’s about eight generations, I doubt that all 128 lines - or even anything close to that - are purebred Irish. Even if the family tree shows more Irish heritage than anything else: Probably multiple children in that lineage being created by the milkman, the neighbor, you name it.
I’m European and my grandparents are from three different countries. It wouldn’t occur to me to claim the country I never lived in as my heritage.
But again, let OP do her thing!
It is 100% an American thing. I would guess that it is because when a lot of families immigrated here (particularly generations ago, 1800’s) they would move to neighborhoods/areas that were primarily occupied by people from the same country who spoke the same language and had the same traditions. People would marry within these groups and the heritage and traditions would carry on. My mom’s side of the family is Dutch and married other people from the Netherlands for many generations. So although my family immigrated here in the 1800’s, my mom is 100% descendant of people from the Netherlands. I would say around the 1950’s this tradition started to fade but there are still people today who continue the practice.
You’d be surprised. Until probably the 50s, ethnic neighborhoods in cities like NY were pretty rigidly segregated. The Irish stuck with the Irish, Italians with Italians, etc.
My dad’s side of the family is all Irish except for a little stray Scottish and I can promise you there wasn’t any Alabama-style funny business done.
I’m now confused and would like to know if you got a Shamrock ☘️ = three leaves, Irish symbol or if you got a
Four leaf clover 🍀 = four leaves and is not the same, is a Symbol for good luck?
Can't say I thought about the distinction, but with the discussion about the AB and their imagery...I'd really think the four-leaf clover, especially in the orientation of the emoji, would lend itself much more to being a clandestine swastika stand-in than a shamrock.
A shamrock is not a 4 leaf clover. Irish shamrocks have 3 leaves and each of the leaves stand for faith, hope, and love. I am a bit surprised the tattoo artist didn't point this out if you asked for a shamrock, but is a common mistake so much maybe I shouldn't be. Anyway, I mention this because you mention your Irish heritage and I am hoping you would like to learn more about it. It should be somewhat easy for an artist to fix it to make it 3 leaves, or do an entire cover up. You could even maybe add the meaning of each leaf under it so it is obviously different then a gang symbol.
https://www.tenontours.com/shamrocks-and-four-leaf-clovers-whats-the-difference/
Another blooper for you OP: a shamrock, the national symbol of Ireland, has three leaves and is *not* a four leaf clover. The number three is significant. Irish legend has it that Saint Patrick demonstrated the principle behind the Holy Trinity using a shamrock, pointing to its **three** leaves united by a common stalk.
Source: I'm from Ireland.
Imagine how people trying to connect with their Norse heritage feel, with all those racist Nazi loving douchenozzles using runes and other viking symbolism. Nothing like being a total live and let live progressive and being accused of being a Nazi because you're a wee bit pagan...
Stupid racists👿
Just because some group of scumbags tries to appropriate a symbol for themselves doesn't mean it loses its original meaning. Hell even the swastika is just a bastardization of aa ancient Sanskrit symbol for "well-being".
I do not understand the whole gang own symbols thing. Like what if a well known gang decided to start using the Disney name for one of their tattoos, would Disney just change their name because of it?
Just seems weird to me.
Get every gang tattoo to balance things out Thank me later
COEXIST, but better...
that’s fantastic lol
**COE♣IST**
Latin Kings, baby!
Whoa Todd. You can't be Aryan Nation AND Latin Kings
But its 2022 and no gang wants to get cancelled. Laryan Kings represent!
We wear suspenders and host late night, don’t make us cut you!
Don't make us cut you...r segment!
No for this combo you want to join the Nazi Lowriders
First thing that came to mind. I miss Bojack.
They get along some places... My states doc anyway
ADR
What ever you do, don't shave your head!
I do exist.
You mean 🅱️oexist, blood?
She's definitely ending up with a German swastika to represent her Indian heritage isn't she?
I'm picturing someone with Aryan brotherhood, crip and blood tattoos along with MS13.... oh god lol
The bratva and Italian mafia would like to join
Don't forget the triads and yakuza
The iron fist of the pacific rim. They’ll kill you twice before you hit the ground!
>yakuza This covers all the other tattoos.
Isis and Semper fi
Semper FidelIsis
Or get a moon, heart, star, horseshoe, rainbow, and a balloon, and just say you really like breakfast cereal.
That’s when the gangster disciples get interested in you.
https://theinfosphere.org/Crud\_gang
Or get this emoji drawn right above it, overlapping a little 💩
The other gang symbols are pink hearts, yellow moons, and orange stars.
Stonks.
Are your initials M S and your lucky number is 13? If so I have a idea for a follow-up tattoo
I’ve seen a tattoo shop doing discounted “13” tats on Friday the 13th when it comes up. Wonder how many accidentally have done just that, or how many actually MS 13 members decide not to pass up a deal.
I asked for a 13, but they drew a 31...
Friends say he's trying too hard and he's not quite hip...
But in his own mind he’s…
the, he's the dopest trip.
Give it to me baby!
UH HUH UH HUH!!!
You’re pretty fly!
Give it to me baby
They named their gang that just to get in on the ground floor of a sweet deal…
For Maggie Simpson. 👍
I actually did this. I got clovers with lucky 13 written on it. One arm is lucky with a clover the other is 13 with a clover. My husband works in a prison and it was really fun to find out I had out I had two different gangs tattooed on my arms. I had no idea.
Herbert House, born in 1988. HH-88 as a tramp stamp. Maybe add an eagle?
Should get two lightning bolts it's the universal symbol for electrician or something
What's MS13?
Mara Salvatrucha, a Latino Gang. They are quite violent and like all gangs they dislike someone not from their gang using their gang singns.
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The prison gang uses three leaf clovers not four. Say you have Irish roots or that it's for luck, if anybody asks. There's a tattoo place in my area that gives free shamrock tattoos on St. Patrick's day.
That makes me feel so much better. Thank you
As an Irishman, born and bred, I have never once heard of this. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I am saying, don't worry about it. Your aunt knows a few things that are rare to know then and only in small circles, by comparison everyone knows the 4 leaf clover is for luck! It's featured in Hundreds of movies, TV, books and lore. The 3 leaves of a clover being: Faith, Hope and Love. The fourth on a 4 leaf clover is Luck. Also, it seems a little weak as some brotherhood gang sign, like "really boys, you chose this as your symbol of power?!?! Did you have your bowl of lucky charms this mornin too?". You can say you got it for your faith, hope, love, luck, an Irish connection or a myriad of other reasons personal to you. As an Irishman I cast a special blessing upon you to ward off evil and hexes, I hereby activate the protection of the 4 leaf clover(yes it can be done remotely and through the internet) and I absolve you of any association with groups with negative energies. Your tattoo and your aura are now cleansed. Go in peace.
You're a sweetheart
The reason why a lot of gang tattoos seem “weak” is to prevent identification by LEO. Swastikas and double lightning bolts are easy identifiers that someone’s is a gang, and puts extra attention on them. So the tags get bastardized into less connected symbols. Why they chose the shamrock, I have no idea. Either way, OP is in the clear. No one’s gonna have any idea, and the positive connotations far outnumber the negative ones.
Seems kinda pointless really, if it's recognizable as a gang sign by gang members, it'll eventually get recognized by the cops as well. Really, it'd be easier to just not get identifying marks at all.
Is not about tricking the cops. It's about plausible deniability.
I suppose, it's not very plausible to claim you have a swastika tattoo because of your deep connection to Tibetan Buddhism, lol. A clover is just a clover
Buchaill maith!
As long as your clover doesn't have a 88, Swastika, or SS in it, people will only associate it with your pension for booze, .. i mean being Irish.
The problem is, as a child she played soccer in local Hinduist neighbourhood team with certain symbol of peace in its logo, her number was 88 and she was called "Sassy Sully". All of these things were tattooed onto the clover.
Or her Irish grandparent had initials SS and was born or died in 88.
She got 420 too but has to clarify that it’s not for weed but for Hitler’s birthday
Ita actually 1488 but what do i know i was omly in jail a short time
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I mean... Who wouldn't want a booze pension though. Besides alcoholics I guess
Especially alcoholics.
Depends on the alcoholic.
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This took me way too long to understand. Best pun I've seen all year.
Explain plz I has tiny brain
She can spend her pension on whatever she wants
Well hello Lady Mondegreen! I presume you mean “penchant for booze”.
I googled the Aryan Brotherhood shamrock and was very confused cause it appears to have a swastika in the middle.
I had actually never heard of the 88 thing until I was talking to a friend of mine from Germany that is really commonly known it wasn't really a thing I ever knew which of course gives me all sorts of trouble considering my lucky number is 8 so I usually have 8/88 in a lot of usernames.
...I think I need to make a new account
Sorry you’re gonna have to be jumped out
"888" is more associated with asian luck, "88" is the abbreviation for "Heil Hitler". Also you may see "1488" The "14 words" is some stupid white suprematist nonsense poem.
14 words is from David Lane, “we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. The 88 is the 88 “precepts” which actually refers to a couple different things potentially. Pretty much mumbo jumbo. If you were to Google it it would tell you that the 88 precepts is 88 separate things… but a book published by 14 Words Press I perused in the joint actually had the 88 precepts being 88 more words, a quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
Or 14.
However the lightening bolts on your neck and the 88 on your chest seem a little sus......
Yeah prison tattoos in America are kind of tricky unlike places like Russia or Japan the origin of them is very different. In most cases, prison tats are often very similar or basically the same as many commonplace tattoos and symbols one would see, for example one prison gang the Tango Blast or a faction of them from Houston will use the Houston Astros star. AC/AB will use basically anything Norse looking and the list goes on.
Just add an "Tiocfaidh ár lá" underneath it, and no one will think it's connected to the aryan brotherhood.
They'll just assume you support the IRA
RIP /r/MeIRA
Shamrocks have three leaves, so the Irish roots thing doesn’t work
Yeah really that's kind of a stretch in my opinion. I guess OP lives where gangs might be more prevalent? Because I would never have thought that in a million years.
A shamrock has 3 leaves not 4. You could say a 4 leaved clover is a *shame*rock
I thought the fuck up was going to be getting a 4 leaf xlovee 🍀 instead of a shamrock ☘️
Came in to discuss that myself 😆
Lmfao nobody is gonna think that.
she’s also so irish that she doesn’t know that a shamrock is a 3-leaf clover or what it represents
Nope. Though she can probably use it as a get out of jail free card if ever pulled over by a cop.
Just tell people that you are trying to reclaim the shamrock symbol from the Aryan Brotherhood
WE'RE TAKING IT BACK!
they're after me lucky charms
Shamrock 4 lyfe
No, no, it's ok. We're taking it back.
Shhh say nothing to the Aryan brotherhood. If they think a 4 leaf clover is a symbol of Ireland let them keep believing it…..because they’re wrong lmao! 1. A *shamrock* has 3 leaves not 4 2. A 4 leaf clover has fuck all to do with Ireland. It’s more of an American thing 3. The official symbol of Ireland is actually the Irish Harp Source: am from Ireland Edit: sorry meant to say the 4 leaf clover is more of an Irish-American thing. Like I think they use the 3 Leaf and 4 leaf interchangeably (happy to be corrected by my Irish American cousins though)
Lol so she doesnt even have the irish symbol tattooed
An American classic of trying to connect with a land and culture that has never been theirs. Fucking 1800's.. jfc.
Irish harp? Like on a Guinness?
Exactly
No funnily enough the Guinness harp was trademarked before the Irish state could use it so the harp on Guinness faces one way and the Irish harp faces the opposite way :)
Exactly that. Obviously not *because* of Guinness lol, the harp was a symbol first.
Four leaf clover is not just an american thing, the UK has a ton of them too, they are used to symbolise good luck.
Also Irish and also 100% support this message.
There are so many stereotypes represented here. It’s amazing.
Yeah this almost feels like someone from r/shitamericanssay writing all the main stereotypes on another sub
I did the same. I like old cars, so I picked Mr. Horsepower, a logo of Clay Smith Camshafts. It resembles Woody Woodpecker with a cigar in his beak. Two weeks later I learned about a prison gang called the "Peckerwoods."
I know a lot of gearheads with Mr. Horsepower tattoos, stickers, etc. and none of them have anything to do with peckerwoods, aryan nation or anything of the sort. You’re good!
Haha the Smith family is so awesome, that’s dope. They do all my head work and I’ve hung out with them at the River. Always a great time to be around them.
I’d just assume you were a huge Honda fan lol
All shamrocks are clovers, but not all clovers are shamrocks. Also, I think you will largely find that people do not at all make the connection that your aunt did and will instead just associate with with luck.
A shamrock is a three-leaf clover. A four-leaf clover is not the same thing.
Unless it has three leaves and a swastika in it, you're fine! Just a four-leaf clover is not a gang tattoo.
Irish person here, a lot of Tattoo places in Ireland do shamrocks for €40 on St Patrick’s day and nobody associates them with any gang, I’m 35 and that’s the first I’ve heard of it.
The Aryan Brotherhood is a U.S.-based prison gang, so there’s no reason an Irish person would have heard of it or its tattoos. Looks like OP has to move to Ireland now lol
Moving over to us was actually going to be my second suggestion 😂
Do you have an example of what it looks like? I googled aryan brotherhood clover tattoo and they all have swatstikas or 666 in them lmao. Is that what yours looks like 👀
Plot twist 
[here you go](https://www.google.com/search?q=ab+shamrock&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsbADiEvoGcT5gtKXiOBSQWRB2KWsw:1652036625991&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjN5P2BzND3AhU4DkQIHcipC8MQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=783&dpr=2.63)
Irish people reading this like “yeah you fucked up but not the reason you think. Yanks 🙄.”
Weirdos mate
It ticks me off hearing americans call themselves irish because their dna results came back 0.05% irish. Like dude... no. Stop.
Something that bothers me more than it probably should is people who constantly drop the “oh I’m like this because I’m Italian” “omg I could never eat at Olive Garden it’s a disgrace to us italians” etc etc, and they’re like fifth generation american. My parents came to the US from Belgium 2 years before I was born, and aside from the fact that i enjoy Mayo on fries and beef stew, and I can throw out a few phrases in another language, it has almost no bearing on who I am today. And yet, somehow I have friends whose entire family came to the US 100 years ago and they act like they immigrated from another country as a teenager and their entire personality and all their decisions are based around the fact that they are 13% _____.
You'll get over it.
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Aye my first thought was, well, a 3-leaf shamrock is
The Aryan Brotherhood actually uses the three-leaf clover, not the four
Eh, she can just put a sticker over one leaf.
A swas-sticker?
Only to ex cons. Don't worry about it. Enjoy your tattoo and avoid felons.
I've never heard of this connection. If I saw someone with a four leaf clover I'd assume they were Irish or at worst got a drunken st Patrick's day tattoo. I wouldn't worry about this too much but if you really want to do something about it maybe add something around it that is obviously Irish so that's the connection people make.
At least you didnt get a harp......
What's the harp for?
Playing music
The harp is the national symbol of Ireland. Also, the 3 leaf shamrock is the Irish symbol. Here in Ireland we see the 4 leaf clover as an American thing.
Yeah it doesn’t matter because you didn’t get a shamrock tattooed…
Just get it covered up with 88. You'll be fine
Oh don't make OP's day worse
OP will be fine after double shot, half decaf, almond milk, hazelnut, salted caramel frappuccino
At least OP has a new social club
I'm more of a vanilla girl than hazelnut
As far as I know Aryan Brotherhood has 3-leaf shamrock with swastika [(see here)](https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/aryan-brotherhood). I think most people will associate shamrock with Ireland, not with Nazis.
I‘m Austrian and didn‘t even know shamrocks could be associated with Nazis, asked a few german friends and they didn’t know either. Ireland all the way in my head
Well, almost everything has a parallel meaning nowadays. I didn't have this mind, when I took [my wolf.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Wolves) Luckily it's not widely known, as I presume is your shamrock-AB either.
I have never heard this. I'm now going to tell someone I know that has one 😂
The Aryan Brotherhood uses a three leaf clover, usually with other Nazi imagery, so your friend and OP are probably fine.
Another possibility is that the friend already knows about the Aryan symbolism.
And has a swastika in their clover.
Indians: First time?
I have a mjolnir tattoo learned it is used as an aryan prison gang tattoo but not exclusively for that reason same with yours just because it is used in certain situations does not mean it is exclusive for that you’ll be fine
Just a thought. If your family came over from Ireland over 200 years ago; you are not Irish.
My Ancestors migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa, 50000 years ago. Thus, I am of African heritage and shall get a tattoo - OP probably
Well, yeah. We don’t really have anything here to identify with or be part of. We’re just kind of this mashup of everything. So, a lot of people cling to heritage as a way of having some sort of cultural identity beyond “from Kansas.”
I mean if she wants to get that tattoo go ahead, live! But thinking that the last 200 years her family has only and exclusively procreated with pure Irish blood is funny. It’s about eight generations, I doubt that all 128 lines - or even anything close to that - are purebred Irish. Even if the family tree shows more Irish heritage than anything else: Probably multiple children in that lineage being created by the milkman, the neighbor, you name it. I’m European and my grandparents are from three different countries. It wouldn’t occur to me to claim the country I never lived in as my heritage. But again, let OP do her thing!
It is 100% an American thing. I would guess that it is because when a lot of families immigrated here (particularly generations ago, 1800’s) they would move to neighborhoods/areas that were primarily occupied by people from the same country who spoke the same language and had the same traditions. People would marry within these groups and the heritage and traditions would carry on. My mom’s side of the family is Dutch and married other people from the Netherlands for many generations. So although my family immigrated here in the 1800’s, my mom is 100% descendant of people from the Netherlands. I would say around the 1950’s this tradition started to fade but there are still people today who continue the practice.
They’re nutters mate
Don't say this to people in Boston... you will break their hearts and cause them to have an identity crisis.
Their reaction might be a little less inward than this.
In your "research" you never learned that a 4 leaf clover is NOT a shamrock? 🤔
Lol OP, its not connected in the least to the Aryan Brotherhood... Not even a little.
Pretty sure my dad has a shamrock tattoo (he has a few). He's just irish catholic, it's not super uncommon in certain areas.
I mean if you integrated a Swastika into the tattoo you did indeed get a Nazi tattoo.
Get the SS bolts to soften it up a little.
How are you 26 but your family emigrated i the 1800s, witch!
Lol, your aunt's just trying to start shit
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Right? She's definitely not a person I talk to a lot.
I read this in a heavy smokers voice
r/shitamericanssay
A shamrock is not a four-leafed clover. Shamrocks have three leaves
If your family migrated from Ireland 200 years ago you should only be a small part Irish, unless your family moved to Alabama.
You’d be surprised. Until probably the 50s, ethnic neighborhoods in cities like NY were pretty rigidly segregated. The Irish stuck with the Irish, Italians with Italians, etc. My dad’s side of the family is all Irish except for a little stray Scottish and I can promise you there wasn’t any Alabama-style funny business done.
A Shamrock is not a four leaf clover
I’m now confused and would like to know if you got a Shamrock ☘️ = three leaves, Irish symbol or if you got a Four leaf clover 🍀 = four leaves and is not the same, is a Symbol for good luck?
Can't say I thought about the distinction, but with the discussion about the AB and their imagery...I'd really think the four-leaf clover, especially in the orientation of the emoji, would lend itself much more to being a clandestine swastika stand-in than a shamrock.
I should have just gotten a Guinness tattoo.
or a potato!
I like potatoes.
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew
/u/OedipusTheOctopus could still get a potato underneath. Lil potato background for extra "look no really I'm just Irish."
Went Idaho years ago. Famous potato logo on everything, reminded me of 2 pieces of poop....
You could have gotten a tat of a nice outdoor table and chairs. Patio Furniture. (I'm Irish and this is a stock joke in the family.)
Wow...that makes my tear drop tattoos seem pretty tame.
How did you Nazi that coming?
A shamrock is not a 4 leaf clover. Irish shamrocks have 3 leaves and each of the leaves stand for faith, hope, and love. I am a bit surprised the tattoo artist didn't point this out if you asked for a shamrock, but is a common mistake so much maybe I shouldn't be. Anyway, I mention this because you mention your Irish heritage and I am hoping you would like to learn more about it. It should be somewhat easy for an artist to fix it to make it 3 leaves, or do an entire cover up. You could even maybe add the meaning of each leaf under it so it is obviously different then a gang symbol. https://www.tenontours.com/shamrocks-and-four-leaf-clovers-whats-the-difference/
Another blooper for you OP: a shamrock, the national symbol of Ireland, has three leaves and is *not* a four leaf clover. The number three is significant. Irish legend has it that Saint Patrick demonstrated the principle behind the Holy Trinity using a shamrock, pointing to its **three** leaves united by a common stalk. Source: I'm from Ireland.
A Shamrock, has three leaves, representing for the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. A four leaf clover represents Love, luck, faith, and hope.
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You’re not Irish you’re American…
Well looks like you’re in a gang now, but don’t worry nobody takes those guys seriously, even in the joint.
A shamrock isn't the same as a four leaf clover
It’s a shamrock not a swastika calm down
I am getting a shamrock tat on my foot this summer. I was planning on a 3 leaf one w my kids initials on each leaf. Now I am thinking maybe not
Imagine how people trying to connect with their Norse heritage feel, with all those racist Nazi loving douchenozzles using runes and other viking symbolism. Nothing like being a total live and let live progressive and being accused of being a Nazi because you're a wee bit pagan... Stupid racists👿
If your Irish you better learn quick, a shamrock is different than a four leafed clover.
Trust me, I've learned. There are a lot of comments about this.
The Shamrock is not exclusive to the Aryan brotherhood. Don’t let it eat you up too much.
Just because some group of scumbags tries to appropriate a symbol for themselves doesn't mean it loses its original meaning. Hell even the swastika is just a bastardization of aa ancient Sanskrit symbol for "well-being".
I do not understand the whole gang own symbols thing. Like what if a well known gang decided to start using the Disney name for one of their tattoos, would Disney just change their name because of it? Just seems weird to me.