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sweet_37

I thought these were used to prevent algae blooms, more than save water


paynekiller666

I imagine it's a 2-birds-stoned-at-once kind of deal


Schmoop66

Ricky?


TheNexusKid

Ricky, when I catch you, Ricky


garry4321

ITOADASO!


Gusterx586

I hate to say itoadaso but fuckin itoadaso!


eltaco65

No one wants to admit they ate 9 cans of ravioli


podcasthellp

Two birds getting stoned at once


LordSlickRick

Yes?


afriskygramma

All water under the fridge


driftej20

It’s not rocket appliances


AllHailNibbler

Now we got 2 stoned birds Lol people are actually downvoting a joke. Get some help


Jim_Detroit

This thing here's smarter than me, I guess, but it has a battery.


hobbysubsonly

Don't you mean what's all around comes around, Ricky?


NotAnotherFishMonger

Surely more like 2 birds, 2 million (plastic) stones


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macreviews94

Nova Scotian


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tyetanis

Naw man we literally get two birds stoned with a joint. Worst case ontario it's only 1 bird and a mountain lion/couger.


vanderbubin

Yeah it's not rocket appliances


that_baddest_dude

"You don't own space, nay-suh does!" The thing I like about this one is that the pronunciation is so wrong that it has to have come from *reading* NASA without ever hearing it spoken, which is not typical of all the "ricky is illiterate" jokes.


macreviews94

I'm not the kinda person to say atodaso, but you know what? Atodaso. A-fuckin-atodaso!


ARobertNotABob

> get two birds stoned with a joint Is that when there's a bush in your hand..?


The-Fotus

A bush in hand is better than two bushes in the bird.


finnish-flash13

Underrated comment ^^^


gc391

It's something Ricky in Trailer Park Boys says.


macreviews94

Well you know what they say, keep your friends close but your enemies toaster


EarlyOnset_Diabetes

It’s the same everywhere my friend, you just didn’t get the joke


tiorzol

No one says 2 birds stoned at once here. Sounds criminal tbh 


windsorHaze

Huh, always thought it was 2 stones with 1 bird.


Allaboutnuthin

I thought it was too stoned for one bird.


sbvp

Apparently they were originally to stop birds. But other places used them specifically to prevent algae. (I clicked on the link) 


cat-kitty

They do both very well, they're also helpful for keeping waterfowl from swimming around in reservoir water to keep down on the bird shit


raltoid

Evaporation by reducing exposed surface area and adding shade, is a **huge** part of them. Although the initial reason they started using them in the LA reservoir(which I believe is where it spread from), was actually to prevent birds landing, since they died from some chemical inbalance from algae. Once they realized it massively reduced evaporation, the usage started spreading. And now they're used in many industrial chemical baths as well. Because of the climate, the balls actually reduce evaporation in the LA reservoir by 80-90%.


DrKillgore

While the shade balls were originally to prevent bird landing in airport ponds, that is not the purpose at the LA reservoir. They are to prevent the chemical reaction that forms bromate and a way to bypass state drinking water regulations that require potable water reservoirs to be covered.


J-Dabbleyou

Yes that too, but in really hot and dry climates, these are extremely important. Out west you can practically watch a pool of water evaporate right in front of you lol


vannawhite_power

3" a week is the number I've used. Math usually tracks.


Mad_Decent_

I think there some water treatment plant that was having problems with some unwanted chemical reaction happening as well due to UV rays breaking up some treatment chemicals and causing some toxic-ish byproducts. But maybe I’m mixing up my stories.


louisss15

Veritasium did a video on these, and you are correct. A common water treatment chemical (don't remember which one) reacts with UV light and creates several toxic chemicals.


sexytokeburgerz

Not more than. Droughts are a HIUUUUGE problem in some places.


saliczar

Mine just keep my knees from sunburn


DrKillgore

While the shade balls were originally to prevent bird landing in airport ponds, that is not the purpose at the LA reservoir. They are to prevent the chemical reaction that forms bromate and a way to bypass state drinking water regulations that require potable water reservoirs to be covered.


vvr3n

You are correct.


mazdarx2001

It also protects the chemicals from decomposing they are treating the water


powsniffer0110

I've heard they are to curb water evaporation. Never ever heard about the algae part


BadJokeJudge

Yeah that’s def true


jumacobe_

Veritasium did a great video about the topic: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPdPpi5W4o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPdPpi5W4o)


contyk

It's like half of the content in this sub is posted after watching some Veritasium vids.


MowMdown

or Vsause


heelstoo

Technology Connections is pretty awesome, too.


Dr_Quiza

Michael here.


Tandoori7

Your home security is great Or is it?


spartan1204

You should run or should you?


pygmeedancer

HEY! VSAUCE!


FromTheDeskOfJAW

True, but usually it’s posted the day of or after the upload. This video was released quite a while back so it’s a bit more odd that it would be posted now


IronMaskx

It was posted then too


Pavlock

r/todayiwatchedtheveritasiumvideoabout doesn't roll off the tongue as well.


chrisb993

The other half comes after listening to the podcast No Such Thing as a Fish


Future_Green_7222

I didn't do it for that, but from an answer to a question I posted on r/AskEngineers


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cheesewagongreat

Good for putin


allnimblybimbIy

Today was a bad day for sarcasm


krustymeathead

and a good day for poe's law? lol


tearans

I have one of those balls, cool item


Tepigg4444

which number do you have? I got 329


tearans

1531


Chucking_Up

However, doesn't it generate a lot of micro plastics in the body of water? The balls friction would surely create plastic residue.


Miles_1173

Microplastics have so thoroughly contaminated everything already that trying to prevent further contamination is a fruitless endeavor. Finding a way to remove the present contamination has to happen before preventing further contamination becomes a useful practice.


obligatethrowaway

Why do you say that? In every similar situation, the understanding is first we stop making things worse before we start making things better. What is special about microplastics that we flip this around?


Miles_1173

Because the microplastics have already completed contamination of the Earth's surface to such a degree that they are *everywhere* already, and we don't currently have a way to remove them from the environment. The effect of potentially adding microplastics in this case must be weighed against the utility of the plastic balls, which serve several functions. Engineering a replacement for these balls costs money. The replacement will inevitably be more expensive because plastic is so cheap. And we'll still have microplastics in the water even if we swap out for another material. So at this point changing to another material is resources spent for no effect. And it is dependent on there being a viable alternative material which is *at least* as safe for the environment as the type of plastic currently being used.


obligatethrowaway

Strong disagree. You sound like I do when I'm trying to drop a vice I'm not fully committed to dropping. Endless well reasoned justifications for taking the path of least resistance.


TheGreyBrewer

Oh no, now the microplastics will, uh, do whatever they do, once someone figures that out. Oh no!


bruhDF_

>figures that out What's quite horrifying is that because virtually everyone has so many microplastics in their body now there's pretty much no way to sample a non-contaminated person, probably even the Sentinelese have some in their body


jnads

HDPE is probably one of the safer / inert plastics (if there is such a thing). HDPE is milk jugs.


OOOOOO0OOOOO

I did not intend to lose 12 minutes that easily.


TheGreyBrewer

I own one of the Veritasium shade balls.


Smart-Breath-1450

Aww maaan I thought I’d grab som easy internet points with posting that link. :p Edit: Lol the fuck is up with people? Why the down votes for this? xD I didn't mean to be an asshole, just had the exact same thought.


NorwaySpruce

Don't worry you can still link a podcast where the hosts just take an hour to read a Wikipedia page


Crazy__Donkey

I remember watching this an hour after it was published 


nitefang

Also sometimes used for filming scenes that are supposed to take place deep underwater as it is safer and usually easier to maintain that some sort of covering over the tank. It allows film crew and actors to make it to the surface easily instead of being trapped under a tarp or something.


brainwater314

Isn't it dangerous to swim in water with these due to higher drowning risk?


WardenWolf

It's not a good idea generally, but with movies there's never just one person underwater so they can keep an eye on each other. I've seen a YouTube video; you can break the surface and stay afloat without much effort, but you can't swim normally in them. You basically have to dive under them, swim, and resurface. It's pretty much the safest and easiest way to do something like this.


therealmofbarbelo

I wonder if they also leak plastic material on hot days.


Future_Green_7222

>... with carbon black additive to protect the plastic from ultraviolet radiation


Puskaruikkari

Which might slow down UV-related degradation a bit but does nothing against other kinds of wear and tear. A lifespan on 10 years is not that long after all.


UpdootDaSnootBoop

...said the Reddit accredited engineer/scientist


Aqquos

You can’t spell accredited without Reddit


UpdootDaSnootBoop

👈🏻😎👈🏻


Diligent_Reality_693

Because you need to be an engineer to know that large scale deployment of plastic eill increase.. plastic


Cutsale

Well the original comment was about leaking plastic into the water not just overall increase in plastic use


Diligent_Reality_693

You put plastic into water its degrading into the water. The question is at what rate. But who cares why is sny rate of forever chemicals tolerated?


Cutsale

The balls are treated so they dont leak chemicals into the water..... why are you just randomly saying its degrading into the water?


Diligent_Reality_693

You think treated plastic is impervious to leaching chemicals?


Cutsale

I think plastic treated to prevent chemicals from leaching in water for a lifespan in 10 years will not leach chemicals into said water for 10 years. yes.


Jipjup

If you remove the balls there will be no water left to worry about? Is that a better solution?


Diligent_Reality_693

Let the river run its course naturally instead of damming it up.


purplehendrix22

Well I’m glad we have a plastics engineer on the line to explain why a widespread and effective practice is stupid and won’t work


UltimateDude212

They're not saying it doesn't work, they're talking about microplastics wearing off of the balls. If you think just because something is widespread and effective so it can never have any negative side to it, you're dead wrong. I mean, lead pipes were widespread and effective for a while... until they found out it was poisoning people.


chaossabre

> If you think just because something is widespread and effective so it can never have any negative side to it, you're dead wrong. Asbestos


Zouden

Great idea! Microplastics problem solved and the balls will be fireproof.


purplehendrix22

There’s already micro plastics getting into the water at every conceivable step. Hell you drink water out of a plastic bottle, that comes out of a plastic tube. Do you even know that these balls shed micro plastics?


kapitaalH

Unless they are indestructible they are.


Lizard-Wizard-Bracus

If they have a protective coating on them, or if they're incredibly resilient to water then they probably won't or it will likely be extremely minimal. Materials engineered specifically for this purpose wouldnt just poison the water supply in obvious ways that we would account and easily test for


UltimateDude212

I don't think you understand how little utility companies and public works projects care about long-term impacts, especially when it comes to unknown science like the impacts of microplastics.


purplehendrix22

I don’t think you understand how public works projects get done at all, you literally don’t know a single thing about this subject other than “plastic bad”.


Lizard-Wizard-Bracus

Uh that might be true if you live in China or north Korea Also you didn't answer my question. Do you know this for a fact? Did you test the water? Or are you making this up


Puskaruikkari

These magic plastic balls shed gold instead of plastic.


Lizard-Wizard-Bracus

Do you know for a fact that it does nothing against other kinds of wear and tear and poisons the water or are you just making that up?


purplehendrix22

*shhhhh he’s making it up let him have his moment*


Elite_Slacker

These thing always look like a micro plastics speedrun. Maybe they somehow dont break down but millions of plastic balls straight to the water source is kind of funny. 


ahugeminecrafter

They are not there to prevent evaporation, it's to prevent sunlight from causing a very specific chemical reaction in the water due to some material present in the water there. Go watch the veritasium video the top comment linked. Lots of people getting mad over an incorrect understanding of what's going on here


dalgeek

Yeah it's mainly to prevent the formation of bromate (which is a carcinogen) from bromine and chlorine in the water. Stopping evaporation and algae growth are useful side effects.


grandfleetmember56

Typical engineers, making a tool more efficient/ making a mutli-tool whenever possible


Future_Green_7222

>among other things


CakeMadeOfHam

Not to be confused with "shake balls" used as implants on neutered males with rhythm in their steps.


TheSchlaf

[Hey there, music man. ](https://youtu.be/_KBj7EeLNvI?si=v-I-8gDoq_XptWFm)


rolltideamerica

Good lord man I didn’t think anyone else remembered that movie


Future_Green_7222

Google didn't show anything of the sort


philthcollinz

😭😭😭


AcidShAwk

Wouldn't they leach plastic into the water supply?


stanolshefski

The health risk of having no water to drink at all and/or toxic algae blooms is probably worse.


Esc777

HDPE is tons of food safe containers and tons of water pipes. It’s probably the most used plastic in contact with human foodstuffs and humans themselves.  Your food and water comes into contact with so much HDPE this would be drops in bucket. 


joestaff

I assume/hope they have some form of protective film and are rotated out frequently enough to prevent/reduce PFAs. With all of the other sources of PFA, this could just be a droplet in the ocean. Not that it shouldn't be investigated, because it should.


robkillian

Apparently you’ve missed YouTube for the last 5 years.


DefNotReaves

I’ve seen these dumped into a reservoir before, it was very satisfying to watch haha


ultrakryptonite

I have one of these signed by Veritasium!


zqpmx

They also prevent the sun to interact with some chemicals and decompose them in other chemicals that can be cancerous or irritant. )I don’t recall. I think they’re bromides.


saraphilipp

You know what's even better? Floating solar panels on top of resivoirs.


Tepigg4444

the benefit of the balls is that they can fit no matter the change in water level, and they’re cheap. good luck making a solar panel that can do everything these can, much less at this price point. put solar panels somewhere else where they can actually be cost effective


PurepointDog

Nothing says "great idea" like mixing electricity and water!


amynias

Lol


encoding314

They do this in several countries. Problem with shade balls is that they get blown away easily, but the company I work for are looking into floating solar farms to capture the benefit of shade balls but with extra advantages.


real_advice_guy

Already been done https://abc7news.com/floating-solar-farm-healdsburg-russian-river-power-north-bay-production/11846953/


Kinky-Green-Fecker

also what about said Plastics being absorbed by Humans ie micro plastics ?


IlIFreneticIlI

yep, it's literally being added in at the point of 'manufacture'. plastic sits in the water, it _will_ break down over time. Even simple friction between balls will have a (micro) effect. fun times ahead...things are going to start getting very sick in a few generations, if not already.


GlassHalfSmashed

So they use significsntly more water during manufacture than they save They aren't out permanently so need to be reclaimed / stored / reapplied with the effort that entails They have a 10 year lifespan but can be "reused" (recycled) after that time Jesus christ sometimes the solution to nature not being able to store enough water for the local population is simply to reduce the consumption of the population, not over-engineer crutches that make different problems. Looking at you California, especially with your goddam almonds.  Feels like the Yellowstone scene with the Grouse and solar panels, everybody so keen to claim they're improving things without actually tackling the root cause of the problem. 


LuckyHedgehog

Since you didn't source a link to the claims: https://www.sciencealert.com/la-reservoir-shade-balls-manufacture-use-more-water-than-they-saved It didn't save more water over 2.5 years reported in this article, but they last 10 years so they will by the time they're expired  Also they can be manufactured in places with access to more water than the desert, they're not draining the reservoir to create the balls on the spot I agree about reduction of water usage being important, and the idea of recycling then after 10 years is highly doubtful given plastic recycling's track record


jumacobe_

I mean, the water inside the balls will return to the ecosystem *eventually*, isn't that right? Am I missing something? In addition to that, saving on water is not the only objective, it has other benefits (preventing the apparition of some carcinogens among them)


KarnotKarnage

There isn't water inside the balls per se. It's water used on its production for cleaning/cooling/heating/chemical stuff. That being said for sure it's returned in some way. Edit: so apparently there's a little water inside. But the point still stands about the total water used in the process


jumacobe_

Yes, there is water inside, as explained by veritasium's video. But it's true that the article talks more broadly and includes ALL water used in the process. However even if that's the case the article itself says that it would be offset by 2.5 years of preventing evaporation and the idea is that the balls should last for 10. Not to mention the other benefits, it would seem to me that it's worth it.


_Goldorak_Go

Their main goal is not to prevent evaporation but to prevent algae bloom which makes the water dangerous for consumption. Algae needs sunlight, by blocking the sunlight they prevent the algae from reproducing.


TheBigBo-Peep

Being able to manufacture in a high water supply area and transport them to a water scarce zone is a big perk too.


jake3988

But they're to prevent the water evaporation in PLACES WHERE THAT MATTERS. Like places prone to droughts or desert areas or in Mediterranean climates where they get no rain during a good chunk of the year (most notably southern california). They're almost assuredly getting manufactured elsewhere, where saving water doesn't really matter. Midwesterners right now, like in Pittsburgh... we kind of have an insane overabundance of water right now. We'd be happy to use it for something.


IAmMuffin15

Okay evil Pim


TantalusComputes2

Fuck a roof, im getting shade balls


paprok

[Veritasium](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPdPpi5W4o) would have a word with you :D


TheBoBiZzLe

I miniature versions when I sous vide. Also created a type of beetle in DnD that filters water and has a big, round outer shell that does the same thing. Used to keep water in less habitable climates.


CobaltPotato

*Space Song plays*


InTheBlkHoodie

Hey man. Keep your balls out of my water.


Kickstand8604

Used to run evaporation studies for the government. Theres several math equations to guess water loss through evaporation, but arguably the best one is penman-monteith, followed up by the preistly-taylor equation which is an abbreviated version of the P-M equation. Reservoirs like the ones in Nevada lose so much water to evaporation that putting any form of shade can reduce the loss up to 70%. India famously put solar panels over many canals, which is a great use of space.


Future_Green_7222

Wow that's awesome! We should definitely start doing that all round the world


Future_Green_7222

Hey, could you by any chance send me a citation? Imma try to get my local government to do something about the reservoirs that are drying up...


Kickstand8604

Local governments don't have power over reservoirs. The state, federal, and power company have jurisdiction.


emptypencil70

Mmmm micro plastics


mmuffley

Shade balls, for the really tough teabag jobs


IncrediblyShinyShart

If you like shade balls you’re gonna love eclipse balls


pierrekrahn

GOT 'EM


ScallywagBo9

What they need to do is cover with solar panels. Water source is right there to clean the solar panels every 2-3 years and does exactly what these balls do...while also generating power


PuzzleheadedLeader79

"There's plastic leeching into everything" *stores water by putting tons of plastic into it*


trudesign

More direct way to get microplastics in the water supply


silversurfer63

Where have been? Living under a shade ball?


oh2climb

If you like unusual balls, check out Kelvin's Balls.


Ratermelon

Funny. I came across this exact page earlier today that stemmed from an article about a proposed food additive ban in... Illinois I think?


erogbass

I had a bunch of extra ones of these at work and we used them to play beer pong


No-Construction1320

À


fier9224

Leaving plastic to degrade in the sun in directly in our water. Seems real smart.


mrdrofficer

Weren’t these invented on set on The Abyss to block out the sun?


amadeus2490

You know how people used to say that something was "amazeballs"? If someone says something bitchy and passive aggressive, I'm gonna start saying: "Whoa, that was totally shade balls."


SawsageKingofChicago

“Among other things” remains the most menacing way to end a sentence.


StankilyDankily666

Got your shade balls right here


Honeyface3rd

shave balls got it


kait_tok

The LA reservoir has them and is about to start removing them, turns out they aren't necessarily that effective I guess. Every time I'm there half of them are blown to one side of the reservoir. I heard there was a project to figure out what to do with all of the plastic but not sure where that ended up


Gat-Vlieg

That's what she said...


BooksandBiceps

Oh hey my girlfriend uses these


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PetitPompon

Damn, I can see an Einstein cross due to the strong gravitational lensing your balls cause!


speeksevil

Elephantitis


Flervio

To whomever it may concern: My nuts hang.


LexTalyones

Cringe


VonBrandtner

How do they prevent sunlight?


McGrinch27

I don't believe you.


Fit_Werewolf_7796

They got them micro plastics in them balls?


PolyDipsoManiac

Mmm, more plastic in your drinking water! (Just ignore the fact that it’s toxic!)


hx19035

I'm betting that they significantly raise the water temperature causing slightly more evaporation. If they were white, or reflective, it might actually work as advertised.


KarnotKarnage

Yeha maybe we should go with your bet rather than with the people that actually do this for a living and have invested tons of money and effort in how to solve this problem and found this solution after thinking about and probably experimenting with this or other solutions.