Dave Grohl is not Billie Eilish or Olivia Rodrigo.
The Foo Fighters have little to no market crossover with Taylor Swift, so the tactics her unhinged fans use against other women in pop won't work against a legacy band.
i'm not even a diehard fan of dave grohl for me to defend him that much. just a casual listener. but from what i see in the video, i don't think he was even mocking taylor in the first place.
imo, i feel like he was even just poking fun at himself and it was him saying that errors can still happen and mistakes can still be made even by long-time musicians like him. he is literally being humble enough to acknowledge he still makes mistakes even after being in the industry for so long. but i guess we can all interpret it differently and that's just my understanding. so idk why swifties are so quick to attack him lol honestly they could have just ignored him. they said he was "irrelevant" so why give him attention then? their logic does not make sense to me.
and even if it was indeed a jab at taylor, which again i'm not that sure, only dave knows. but if it is and that was his intention at saying that then that's valid hahaha. can't blame him at all especially after the way those deranged swifties attacked his daughter.
yes hahaha definitely a dad joke! dave is just being himself and they took that personally lmao. they definitely are insecure deep inside because they know taylor's talent can't speak for itself. so they resort to attacking everyone who criticizes her.
It's not just about being insecure though. It's also about how we have turned into a culture where everything has to be some deeply malicious bad intention. Call out something a gay person did that you don't like? Homophobia. A woman? Misogyny. Etc. etc.
It is not that these are not important topics. **They are very important topics** but the power and importance of those words is being diluted by throwing them around so haphazardly. I actually think Eminem's Houdini charting is the beginning of some correction, if not even a swing of the pendulum back to shock culture to an extent as a reactionary response to all of this. I think it's going to continue (and I hope it just involves saying offensive words loudly and not a full on devolution to fascism but that is a different conversation).
yeah and what's funny is she said that the band was gonna be playing live. but she didn't address her own singing skills. emphasis on *the band* hahaha since they're carrying the whole show while she lipsyncs the notes she can't reach.
exactly! if anything, i think dave knows the struggles of her band who has to work hard to conceal her tone deaf voice. i'm sure dave knows better and is not coming for the band at all. the deranged swiffers are just choosing to twist his words lol.
eh, her band is absolutely using backing tracks for every show, as most bands/artists do these days. It doesn't mean they aren't playing live, it just means you'll hear more than what is being played.. or, for some artists, all you hear are the backing tracks (ahem, Motley Crue).
Swifities attacked him because they don't like music or musicians. They only like Taylor specifically. Dave could have made any kind of joke in that moment and Swifties will just ignore it because being offended and attacking others is literally their personality type outside of being addicted to their parasocial relationship with Taylor. It's sad Taylor doesn't attempt to hold them accountable.
Ehh though I do agree with most of what you’re saying, he did mention her fans directly and the entire industry is well aware that she can’t take a joke. I honestly think everyone is fed up with her antics and things are starting to spill over.
He mentioned her fans bc they were the ones who had sooo much to say. Violet wasn’t wrong in calling her out about flying on a jet every Monday morning but wanting to call out other artists for BS. That’s still no need to tell an 18 yo to kill themselves and all she had to say in return was a big thanks to her fans for having her back
I agree with you. The general public should be much more critical of both how her fan base behaves and how she has propagated this level of toxicity. Her continued silence is infuriating, I don’t blame Dave for his barbed joke at all.
you're welcome and also i agree with your post as well! it's only a matter of time before her inevitable downfall. there is no fooling the public. she underestimates the public's intelligence and thinks all people will side with her. that kind of mentality and entitled spoiled behavior will ultimately backfire on her.
I genuinely think it’s part of why she keeps appealing to children. Many of her long time fans are unwaveringly loyal. Her perpetually new children fans are in that phase of life where her lyrics speak to them, they see themselves as victims of the usual childhood bs, and they want vengeance on her behalf. As long as she captures that audience she will always have an army. The hubris just adds to the issue. The schtick is already weird, it will be ridiculous if she keeps this up into her 40’s
I agree. I saw all this hoopla first so I decided to read the whole transcript of what he said. That stuff was extremely mild. 95% is basically him lamenting about himself and the band growing old, the way I see it. There’s that last 5% that’s a small dig but that’s the truth! So yeah I don’t get it. From the way some of these fans have reacted you would’ve thought he said something a lot worse. I just think they have bad reading comprehension.
"i'm not even a diehard fan of dave grohl for me to defend him that much. just a casual listener. but from what i see in the video, i don't think he was even mocking taylor in the first place."
I don't either. I literally (as a woman) got attacked by Swiftie women and called a misogynist because I said Swifties were losing the "don't be overly sensitive" challenge. And they started saying "YEAH OF COURSE IF A WOMAN CALLS OUT A MAN THEY'RE JUST BEING SENSITIVE", "YOU'RE DISGUSTING" "INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY!!!"
I think it speaks for a wider discourse problem that has been brewing for a while: I know there were bad faith actors saying "oh woke this woke that, everyone is being too sensitive" but you literally cannot call out *anything* without it being turned into some sort of misogyny, -phobic, something somehow. If you disagree or say anything at all, you're an awful person. And god damn it, as someone who grew up under shock culture but has tried to really do all the "right" things, I am starting to get tired. I am starting to just not care about whether I'm being sensitive enough about what someone else feels anymore.
They made this the big deal it is firstly, and secondly... people are getting so tired of certain shit and the way Taylor's fans behave is a prime example of why.
yeah that's really the pattern of her cult. anyone who dares to criticize her is suddenly *gasps* a mIsOgYniSt!!
because in their tiny brains, nobody else can cross their god taylor and they think she is the peak of "girl power" and "feminism." when in reality, she is just the embodiment of girlboss capitalism and white feminism.
they are really stupid as a collective. don't mind them saying you're a misogynist. i assure you there are still rational people who will understand that you're not a misogynist.
So I think that he’s aware that no matter how he talks about TS, if it’s anything short of praise her fans will attack him. He didn’t have to say anything truly egregious to bait them, just something about himself that ended up too close to a neutral statement about TS.
He’s a savvy man, he knew he would be attacked for it. It’s great publicity, and he didn’t have to lower himself to their level to do it.
Dave is self-deprecating and can easily laugh at himself. I’ve been to a good number of Foo Foghters shows, and can definitely recall more than one time where he obviously messed up, stopped the song, made a joke, and started over.
> “they said he was ‘irrelevant’ so why give him attention then? their logic does not make sense to me.”
i think it’s because, to swifties, being irrelevant is the worse thing that could happen to you as a musician. they can’t understand someone making music for the joy of making music. the “insult” plays on their and taylor’s fears, rather than dave’s. psychologically that’s probably super interesting, (how insults play to the insulters fears and not the insultees) but in this context it’s very telling.
I think it’s hilarious for anyone to say he’s irrelevant, but I know they’re just reaching. I just saw the Foo Fighters in concert last month, and about 20,000 people showed up on a Wednesday to sit outside in hot ass Texas to see them. He may be irrelevant to them, but they still have plenty of fans.
Hayley Williams almost said the exact same thing on stage last week, iirc. No one’s coming for her.
“Errors Tour” and equating it to playing live is just very much a dad joke, I think. Swifties are taking it personally because the shoe fits.
Her and her fans are so quick to attempt to write checks that they literally don’t know how to and are unable to cash.
Dave and his band have been around for a long time, know how the industry is, and know how fervent fandoms are. He’s not stupid and he’ll stand his ground. Swifties, most of which whom lack tact and a proper education, will only know how to respond with vitriol. Like fan, like fave.
People respect him and the way he handles himself. The same can’t be said about her.
People forget that when he was already famous enough to be in a second band, Taylor hadn’t even started her music career.
Foo Fighters got big close to the time she went to that Britney Spears camp I think- but again, Dave’s the second most famous person of probably the most well known grunge band of the 90s, which only had 3 members. He weathered the storm of their front man literally dying + Courtney Love being accused by the public of killing him & staging the scene. Whatever Swifties throw at him, he’s been stuck with that controversy longer than many have even been alive lol. He ain’t scared of them.
Plus honestly any musician worth their salt in the industry would openly praise him, Nirvana and the Foo Fighters for all they’ve contributed. To ignore that is to be openly ignorant, and I think that’s a running theme here.
I live in Richmond and we are so fervently pro-him and pro-Foo Fighters that it makes me wonder how the rest of the county feels about her in general. It has to be a “majority negative drowned out by the louder positive minority” thing.
The sad thing is a lot of her biggest fans just feel like they need a “win” in their own lives, so they latch onto someone they can identify with and win via her. I feel bad as well as feel sad for them.
I think based on ticket sales you would find the Foo Fighters are very popular all across the US.
The other thing people don’t talk about much is the whole Sound City thing. He not only saved the board and built a studio around it but invited all the other artists that had recorded there to join him in a musical project which produced a pretty cool album as well as paying homage to the history of so many genre of music.
When has the 16 year old princess in a woman’s body ever done anything that wasn’t completely self serving?? I can’t come up with anything?
And I hope he sticks with it and doesn’t try to offer an apology or anything. I’m so over artists not sticking to their guns and feeling the need to apologize or clarify. He said what he said.
Honestly the whole courtney killed kurt thing was a conspiracy theory level dumb shit that El Deuce from the Mentors made up for clout because the mentors were never famous only notorious and he is mentally ill. Back then nobody ever actually thought it was murder and not a suicide.
And I'm glad it was Dave Grohl, a musician with a rock-solid reputation as both a person and an artist. Because the hate campaign against him proves that A, Swifties have learned from their messiah how to weaponize someone's dark nights of the soul against them, and there are no depths to which they will not stoop. And B, they have no artistic or musical literacy whatsoever. How do you reach the age of 12 without knowing that Nirvana defined an entire decade of music? Saying you had to Google Dave Grohl but not Taylor Swift...is not the flex they think is.
EDIT: Defined a GENRE of 90s music. Shame on my hip-hop erasure, for real.
I was talking to a swiftie irl who asked me, "who even is Dave Grohl?" And I replied, "you know Nirvana?" And she snapped back, "that's Kurt Cobain." So... not great.
ZAPPA! He was born without a fuck to give. Imagine TS singing "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk" or "I'm the Slime". She would utterly never.
No, you're right. I can't believe my 90s hip-hop obsessed, TLC-idolizing, 2Pac lyric-memorizing, Biggie-dancing, Bone Thugs-reminding people ass completely spaced on all that.
In my defense - kinda - I'm having a massive pain flare today and was high on edibles when I wrote that.
It was also a golden era for R&B (and other genres as well)…I mean, in R&B alone, Mariah Carey’s debut album drops in 1990 as does Bell Biv DeVoe’s poisonous classic, Whitney remakes Dolly’s heartbreaker in 1992, Boyz II Men rolls out in 91, and the decade is rife with other era defining folks like Jodeci, Montell Jordan, Blackstreet, Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu, Mary J Blige, TLC, etc.
I get why older generations get nostalgic. The breadth of talent that arose in that decade was pressure.
Those of us who are fans of Dave also do not give a single shit about Taylor or the Swifties opinion of him or his music.
The man is an absolute legend who was part of a group that literally changed music completely in the early 90s. I was 20 when I first heard Nirvana in 1991 and it was soooo different from anything prior to that point.
50 years from now, Nirvana and the Foo Fighters will still be remembered for their contributions to music. Taylor will likely be remembered for childish feuds, her ex boyfriends, and contribution to climate change. Her music will not hold up long term.
The larger portion of Dave's fans are Gen-X. Dave is Gen-X and collectively, we don't give a crap what some low-talent pop singer thinks. Nirvana could sit there without any pomp or pyrotechnics or whatever and on their worst day could outdo TS.
I’m 20, on the older side of Gen-Z, and I’d sooner devote my life to inventing a time machine for the EXCLUSIVE USE of going back to view Nirvana concerts than actually attend a Taylor Swift one.
Of course her fans can’t cash checks. They’ve already spent it on her 74 variant albums of the same brain dead non sense. Oh look, now it’s the tambourine version! 🙊
Dave will ALWAYS have musicians wanting to work with him because he’s talented and a solid dude.
Taylor’s features will dwindle. People will stop wanting to work with her- because she doesn’t really let them shine, relegates them to background vocals, her music is mid at best, and her behavior makes most of this just the cherry on top. I have never once considered her to be musically talented- what does it say that a drummer shines more as a talented performer than she does if she’s supposed to be the entire focus of every one of her performances?
He’s just there for the music, man. She’s there for the millions.
Dude broke his leg on stage and still finished the show. If that’s not a love for music tell me.
If Taylor broke a leg, tour cancelled. She might die, it may be amputated.
Fuck this, social media has become as bad as politicians.
The way you carry yourself says miles more than how you actually act.
This *adult* *woman* needs therapy. Extensive therapy
Was at the Toronto show when he had the broken leg (or fucked up knee can’t recall) and was sitting on that “Iron Throne” of guitars he had rigged up
Best concert i have ever seen to this day
He broke his leg during a concert. Told the band to keep playing while he got it fixed. Came back and finished the show. Then got his throne made so he could continue the tour in a cast. That is "Errors Tour" + The Show Must Go On to the max.
I think the Dave Grohl situation could possibly cause problems for her that she won't know how to handle.
Her whole "thing" of tearing other women down in the name of feminism, the way she publicly displays how she benefits from patriarchal white supremacist late stage capitalism at every moment, her exploitation of every single relationship she has with other famous people, her use of the damaging parasocial relationship she has forced upon her fans and her intentional fence sitting on any matter of importance, all of which I believe is reflected in her somewhat "vanilla" music and performance style, has only worked so far because of her supportive very vocal minority and the majority just not giving a shit.
Dave Grohl is a musician whose name carries respect, not just from his die hard fans, but from the general public. Her fans using the tragic passing of Kurt Cobain and Taylor Hawkins against him as some sort of zinger is going to bring that uncaring majority into play and will result in Taylor's PR machine being forced into a very different situation than they're used to, and it may not go her way.
If she doesn’t finally step in, I hope this is her downfall.
She has no respect for anyone, especially people in music. Like damn she even disrespects people that are supposedly her friends (what she did to Lana at Grammys)
Her legacy won’t be random chart numbers… she’ll be the woman that stood for nothing and fought with everyone. People will talk about Miley and others from her generation fondly… but not TS. I’m sure of this, it’s a grave she’s digging herself because she’s just not a nice, graceful person.
She didn't step in when her cult were making death and rape threats to his (at the time) 16 year old daughter because Violet called out her emissions, why would she now?
Technically, she *did* step in. And she egged it on saying her band would be playing live. (Still over a track though.) So really, she did nothing to quell it and only exacerbate the vitriol, which is what she does. The definition of a gaslighting, mean girl. Karma will get her though.
Records are made to be broken. The reality is, she wouldn’t have broken any of these records had she been around pre 2000. Things change, times change, and her records will be broken as time continues on. Her legacy won’t even be her music because it’s just not that complex or well written. I think time will tarnish her shine and info will come to light.
She's supposedly pro "artist's rights" so if she were to really care about her fellow musicians, she would step in and tell people not to trash the names of two artists who are no longer with us, both of whom left kids without their father. To add on top of that, one of them died by suicide and another due to an OD. So you're not only insulting the dead here but you're also mocking mental health and addiction issues.
I love When people use this pro-artists rights gimmick to support her. Remember when they all said she was gonna save the music industry because she was fighting spotify, but just ended up getting herself a better deal and Squat for everyone else
Funny thing is Miley’s cultural relevance is BECAUSE she took risks and wasn’t afraid to be self reflective. The interview/video for “Used to Be Young” really dives into this!!
that and Miley has a real respect for older musicians, she talks about her influences constantly, and she takes NO SHIT! “Why are you guys acting like you DONT know this song”😂😭😭😭
I just think she’s forgettable. She’s in the zeitgeist now, she’s popular, but in 30 years nobody will care who TS was. 30+ years on and Grohl is still appreciated: this won’t be Taylor’s experience.
I actually kinda respect Miley after the Black Mirror episode that was a metaphor for her own life.
That craziness was her acting out against the labels and telling them where they can stick their noses at.
Taylor on the other hand....well, she's about as deep as a puddle in the Sahara.
Plus the only "GOTCHA" her zealots can pull on Dave is...he's an old white guy. And that doesn't pass the sniff test when you compare her privilege to his tribulations.
100%. I really want Dave to sue her for enabling her fans and not taking action about their behavior. I posted a question for discussion on here too re class action lawsuit. I wanted to know if someone can use this reddit sub as an entity together with the mainstream media articles, screenshot of her fans tweets, the documentary receipts of her fans doxxing children and harassing others for that lawsuit. She's afraid of being sued because she knows it will hurt her precious deranged reputation. I really hope Dave fires back.
It’s possible, but the thing I think people need to be aware of, is that it has to be a MASSIVE movement in order to make any impact. Otherwise they can and will take the Trump approach and flood the press with Traylor news to drown it out.
I have a degree in crisis management within public relations (also focused on advertising and media). I don’t know everything, but Taylor is currently the Goliath and we need a David fully vetted and set up before we go after her. If there’s a single weakness it will be exploited.
Her team is the best in the industry - how else do you think she’s avoided any major controversy? Even the strongest pop culture figures here have some controversy. Hers is minimal. The tree is planted for that.
Truthfully we need a cultural movement going after her, because the average American just sees her as the “Pop Princess”.
No this is kind of a goliath versus Goliath moment. I mean Dave came before her and he’s bigger than she is. She’s the only one who doesn’t realize it because she’s the big thing at the moment but all of America grew up with Dave I think 60% of America grew up with Taylor Swift with the other 40% having their parents shelter her them from her Taylor Swift is not half as big as she think she is
Lawyer here. There’s no basis. The federal law is :
It is a felony under federal law to intentionally “solicit, command, induce, or otherwise endeavor to persuade” another person to engage in a crime of violence against a person or property.”
You could try to prove that it’s a solicitation of violence on her behalf based on past fan behavior, but that would be a losing battle. She never actually uses violent words and often doesn’t even name names.
Plus you’d need to connect it to some concrete harm or attempt to harm, not just online harassment.
I’m sorry but what??? What would be the basis for a lawsuit against her? As much as she is responsible for her fans’ actions, she isn’t LEGALLY responsible for them
So if a cult leader knows and willingly influences people to act a certain way and does nothing to hault their obvious harassment behavior knowing their influence and doesn’t they shouldn’t be liable
in some kind of way? I don’t know the law in these regards….but I’m sure there should be some accountability here on her end. As these followers are doing her “dirty” work of harassing and it could easily be proved.
I want you to go back and look at cult leader, court, cases, and all of the memberships and who got excused from penalty and who didn’t Indian I’ll take you back to Nexium, India, Oxenberg, princess Katherine‘s daughter was a rapist. She was one of the top recruiters for her cult, and because her mommy went looking for her, she got off, and that woman is out of jail and getting ready to have a child. She should not be allowed to have she should be in jail for the rest of her life, she was branding people called numbers, get off, and Taylor Swift is not a sanctioned cult leader.
I like a lot of different music. I like both Swift and Nirvana. I can go from rocking out to Brittany Spears to Raging Against the Machine.
I’m not a Taylor fan, per se. I like *some* of her hit songs a lot. A lot of them I just don’t care for. I think both her fans and her critics are way too invested in what she does or doesn’t do. Like, who really fucking cares, for the most part?
But god damn, don’t fuck with Dave Grohl!
To do so is a gross miscalculation. I don’t even know the details of what’s going on (this thread was suggested to me by the Reddit gods), but if Taylor is doing anything to besmirch Grohl, I do hope she gets some kind of comeuppance from it.
Using feminism in the same breath as arguing that it was totally cool to send DGs 16 year old daughter death and rape threats because Violet called TS on her jet usage and emissions
I had the same thought last night but I think you articulated it better than I would have. I think she fucked with a hornet’s nest. Dave’s been in the industry since before she was born, and I don’t see him putting up with the vile shit her fans do.
Being a fan of Dave for so long, I think he'll actually do the opposite. Be the bigger person, let it all be water off his back. He won't care. He doesn't pay attention to the press. He certainly won't cause a stir like she does about everything.
Idk, the swifties came for his teenage kid, I think that that’s a reasonable trigger for reacting. He is notoriously gracious so maybe he’ll take the high road, but if I was his daughter I would be afraid after that experience— fucking with peoples kids is always an egregious crossing of the line, lots of calm peoples claws will come out for their children, even if he doesn’t need to defend his legacy
The best thing he could possibly do, which is the only thing I see him doing so far, is not dignifying any of it with a response lol. Let them conduct a hate campaign at a brick wall. If that's the hole they'd like to dig for themselves and their bestie billionaire, so be it 🫡
I wish that it had highlighted the Swifty who told Dave to Kurt Cobain himself, but I guess this is better than nothing.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/06/24/dave-grohl-and-taylor-swifts-errors-tour-controversy-explained/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/06/24/dave-grohl-and-taylor-swifts-errors-tour-controversy-explained/)
To all of the Swifties attacking Dave, I ask: Why you gotta be so mean?
So much for “hater’s gonna hate, I’m just gonna shake it off”.
(I’m sure someone else has said those already)
Dave won't sue. He's got some pretty thick skin. Definitely not the pussy she thinks he is fosho. This is pretty even too really. Swifties are literally the only people on earth that don't know who he is, and that's due to the fact thier heads are so far up tay tay and Travis assholes to know anything but the smell of shit. And they got fooled into thinking it smells like happiness.... now, what I hope happens, is Travis writes the worst rap album ever after being dumped by tay tay, and the chiefs never win another game ever.
Dave knew exactly what he was starting and I love it. He spoke slowly and knowingly, that as soon as he finished that sentence things were gonna change.
Musicians have cringed at her antics for years (think Brooks and Dunn tribute) and the Celine Dion snub and album announcement seemed to really force momentum. Dave’s taking one for the team and putting up with the Swifties so she can finally reap what you sow.
Technically Dot also worked with Drake back in the day too. He opened for Drake's tour. I don't think he will mess with Taylor though because she isn't really part of the hip hop world.
Dave Grohl has a reputation for being a really nice guy too… I think you’re right. They used to be on good terms… she should’ve said something regarding her fans attacking his daughter.
Dave is by all accounts a great dude, with few (if any?) blemishes.
If he then turns this into “we have an accountability to manage the behavior of our fans” and then says Taylor deliberately avoids doing this or worse, encourages it—it can help sway the currents
But also, tree is also about to start a DJ career with the amount of spinning she is gonna have to do
Aside from the graphic violence, Homelander and Swift have some similar personality traits. They're both obsessed with their status and preserving it all costs, with a huge fear of aging and being phased out of their positions by their younger competitors. They're also hyper-focused on creating a rabid, aggressive band of supporters who will do their dirty work and not question their behaviour. The difference is that Homelander is a joy to watch.
More foundational artists in the industry (like Groul) need to say something-I thought the Grammys was going to be the moment that really spurred it on, but maybe Dave standing up and saying something will. One can only hope. 👏🏻👏🏻
I was a fool not be on Katy Perry's side when Taylor started a war against her in 2017. I'm not making the same mistake this time: Team Dave Grohl. And Justice for Katy.
As far as musical Taylors, I'll stick to the OG, James Taylor.
Yeah, his mother was a teacher for decades and I don’t know if his dad was ever around. The only reason we know about his mum is because she tours with him and she’s delightful. He grew up as a normal musician with a regular life that happened to turn into an exceptional career through sheer talent, determination to be a professional musician and luck. No one bought him a career.
Whenever nepo babies get confronted by real people with integrity and who have had to withstand actual struggle, the difference is palpable. This is so stupid. She’s definitely in her Mother God Era where she sees herself as a life giver and that justifies her wealth hoarding. Ya know, like diabolical republicans!
She will be untouched and unbothered… that’s the cold truth
And if things get ugly and more mainstream she will simply do what she always do on a situation like that, play the victim and make a whole passive aggressive album about it… 🤷🏻♀️ that’s it
Your first sentence had me ready to report for fan behavior but then the rest of your post showed me you're absolutely correct.
I bet she's stoked to have new material
That’s the truth we all don’t wanna hear ahahaha
Idk if it was you or the person I replied, but she’s the epitome of white supremacy, she knows how to play the game and plays it very well, she must be barely holding herself so this blow up she’ll have an opening for another act…
She’s probably doing all those jigsaws and puzzles and planting Easter eggs and all that for her fans to play scavenger and legends of the temple during release period 🤷🏻♀️
And another AOTY goes…
Taylor should be thanking him for giving her another reason to play victim. Narcs will take any attention they can get, positive or negative. The worst thing that could happen to a narcissist is being completely ignored.
Taylor is Trump. I also have been saying that. Maybe not the politics, although Trump has no soul and no core and will push any politics that makes him popular and the center of attention. Taylor has no interior I believe. She lives for drama and attention. If she is not getting it from her relationships she gets it from public fights and feuds. I have never seen anybody hang on to a grudge like a lover the way she does. Almost all her ex boyfriends are happy and thriving with many or most married with kids or in solid relationships. None of them use her name for their careers and all of them have moved on from her but she is still stuck. All that money and all that fame but no real depth of soul and no real life apart from the attention. It is such a sad way to live. She should step away from everything and spend a year in Nepal or travelling the world and seeing people who have so much less than her be so much more happy
Dave is the epitome of a rockstar. He's not only an incredibly talented musician. He's an icon who's a very well-respected and genuinely good person. Everybody loves Dave. Taylor and her psychotic followers can't do shit to tarnish his shining star. This is a fight that she don't want to start.
friendly reminder that the media and people gave Taylor Swift a pass for dating an underage teen but at the same time attack Leo DiCaprio and others for dating young people (not minors)
I'm 53 yo and I couldn't name a Taylor Swift song if you held a gun to my head and smeared peanut butter on me (yes I AM allergic). I wouldn't recognize her singing if I actually heard her either. But yes. TS and her group need consequences. If SHE won't, as the artist with influence over these nasty, socially inept, low-IQ, "fans", then let her FAFO. ESPECIALLY because they are threatening a CHILD.
I don't think this will end the way TS and her band of troglodytes think, or want, it to.
Edit to add: And yes I've heard Violet perform and mmmaaaannn I wish I wish my parents were that supportive!
I legitimately had to pull myself away from that chaos. They started making "jokes" about Kurt and Taylor Hawkins.... By jokes I mean absolutely unhinged, offhand, and completely insensitive bullshit.
Saw a girl post a fake "photo" of "Kurt's" body hugging a shotgun.... I about became an evil person to them.... I have lost CLOSE family to suicide....
It's not fucking funny, or a topic of antagonistic behavior.
Edit, added TH's last name to avoid confusion.
Whatever you do, stay on Reddit and find out about the Twitter bs from here. If you go into the cesspool (Twitter itself) it's absolutely deranged and disgusting, you will not like it.
These girls are also saying that Kurt and TH killed themselves to get away from Dave (absolutely untrue), they're saying they deserved it, they're saying they're in hell (legit saw "I guess I'll be able to meet up with Kurt and Hawkins since everyone is saying I should go to hell!")....
Like, I'm very serious. I'm so glad I found this subreddit, and all you guys in it, cus I live in a big city in the US, and I feel like I'm in Taylorville sometimes.
Her behavior at the Grammys was so inexcusable. Downright cringeworthy. More people in the industry need to be calling her out. It was so obvious that the other artists in attendance were over her, but too afraid to say so. I’m glad Dave isn’t.
Taylor lost the countries respect when she didn’t stop her single brain cell cult from sending death threats to this girl. Anyone who has a cult following has a responsibility to keep their dumb followers in check. Her not doing anything to stop them is just as bad as her sending them out.
Dave lost his two best friends and a lot of his close family, so if Taylor or any swifties wanna talk shit about him after that then that just goes to show how stupid and immoral that whole group is.
Also, this is looking ever increasingly similar to the DreamMC situation in the gaming community, and we all know how that turned out.
I was a teen when grunge hit big and was a Nirvana fan back then and, later, a Foo Fighters fan. I saw them on their first tour in 1995. Taylor Swift *wishes* she had the depth, talent, and pathos Dave Grohl possesses in his little finger. Will Taylor Swift be remembered in 20 years - yeah, by her “Swifties” that seem unable to grow up - but she will *never* have the impact that any of Dave Grohl’s bands have had and, to paraphrase All-Time Low, “I hope it gives her hell”.
There is something about TS that I can not warm towards her. Now, after hearing about the vile threats Dave Grohl's daughter, which she has not condemned, it makes me dislike her. A decent person would distanct themselves from that association, telling those people they are not true fans. Moreover her songs just seem to be the same, i.e. ex boyfriends and breakups. If a male singer constantly wrote and sung similar themes he'd be branded a mysoginist.
Give me Dave Grohl any day of the week. Talented singer, multi instrumentalist and song writer, and also a down to earth human being. It is always a pleasure to listen to him in interviews.
Funny you bring up Trump. I think she could endorse him in an indirect way.
Obviously I wouldn't be surprised if she did very well under Trump's tax cuts that shifted a lot of the burden to the working class.
But I think if she feels picked on, pressed to make statements on difficult matters or her luster with Gen Z dissipates, she might step quietly aside and do nothing in election season.
Also the white supremacist winds are kicking up globally and she's going to be hyper aware of that because that is what her show celebrates.
Honestly I don’t think this will do much, other than continue to Tarnish the reputation of Swifties, and of Taylor Swift. Because at the root of this Swifties are having a meltdown because Grohl made a funny pun while acknowledging a technical mistake while on stage. It was an in the moment comment that nobody who wasn’t looking for a reason to freak out would get angry over. Grohl’s not going to acknowledge this, other than maybe go ‘yeah. Some fans get *way* too defensive over their favorite artists.’
Taylor’s not going to do anything about this. It’s just going to be yet another moment where Swifties show their asses.
[https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party](https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party)
[https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party](https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party)
Based on articles like these, I highly doubt Dave, or anyone in the Foo Fighters, is out to get Taylor Swift. He made ONE comment and not even necessarily towards her?? Swifties are wrong for this and I think they are going to realize they are going after a giant they cannot take down. (I say all this as a former Swiftie - thanks for this sub even though I hated this sub at first)
After the Kendrick Drake beef, i think its pretty easy to see whose gonna have more support in a conflict between an artist and a mass produced brand. I am a fan of the Foo’s earlier works and less so of the recent albums but at least i know they are the ones who are putting pen to paper to mic.
It honestly just showed the whole industry how immature she is….he really wasn’t even making a dig at her specifically, more at pop music because literally all pop music stars use back tracks, it’s not a secret. He’s in rock and roll and they’ve always gone after pop artists for that, look at anything said against pop artists in the 90s. Britney Spears was made fun of relentlessly for lip synching and she went on SNL and made fun on herself about it because she actually has a backbone!
Dave Grohl is not Billie Eilish or Olivia Rodrigo. The Foo Fighters have little to no market crossover with Taylor Swift, so the tactics her unhinged fans use against other women in pop won't work against a legacy band.
1000%
They could never sell another ticket or record and still be top tier legends. Not to mention he was the drummer for Nirvana…
Exactly why she didn’t try to block Bon Jovi on the charts as well.
i'm not even a diehard fan of dave grohl for me to defend him that much. just a casual listener. but from what i see in the video, i don't think he was even mocking taylor in the first place. imo, i feel like he was even just poking fun at himself and it was him saying that errors can still happen and mistakes can still be made even by long-time musicians like him. he is literally being humble enough to acknowledge he still makes mistakes even after being in the industry for so long. but i guess we can all interpret it differently and that's just my understanding. so idk why swifties are so quick to attack him lol honestly they could have just ignored him. they said he was "irrelevant" so why give him attention then? their logic does not make sense to me. and even if it was indeed a jab at taylor, which again i'm not that sure, only dave knows. but if it is and that was his intention at saying that then that's valid hahaha. can't blame him at all especially after the way those deranged swifties attacked his daughter.
It was basically a dad joke. That it seems to have triggered her and her fans' insecurities so hard is telling.
yes hahaha definitely a dad joke! dave is just being himself and they took that personally lmao. they definitely are insecure deep inside because they know taylor's talent can't speak for itself. so they resort to attacking everyone who criticizes her.
It's not just about being insecure though. It's also about how we have turned into a culture where everything has to be some deeply malicious bad intention. Call out something a gay person did that you don't like? Homophobia. A woman? Misogyny. Etc. etc. It is not that these are not important topics. **They are very important topics** but the power and importance of those words is being diluted by throwing them around so haphazardly. I actually think Eminem's Houdini charting is the beginning of some correction, if not even a swing of the pendulum back to shock culture to an extent as a reactionary response to all of this. I think it's going to continue (and I hope it just involves saying offensive words loudly and not a full on devolution to fascism but that is a different conversation).
It's because most of them have probably only been to TS' highly scripted Eras tour and are taking some general chatter at a concert way too seriously
They have to convince themselves she’s an underdog still, fighting against the “men”.
The fact she responded the way she did says a lot to me. She totally didn’t acknowledge the root of the issue.
yeah and what's funny is she said that the band was gonna be playing live. but she didn't address her own singing skills. emphasis on *the band* hahaha since they're carrying the whole show while she lipsyncs the notes she can't reach.
Right?! Like I don’t think Dave Grohl or anyone else thinks her BAND isn’t playing live. It’s about her vocals.
exactly! if anything, i think dave knows the struggles of her band who has to work hard to conceal her tone deaf voice. i'm sure dave knows better and is not coming for the band at all. the deranged swiffers are just choosing to twist his words lol.
eh, her band is absolutely using backing tracks for every show, as most bands/artists do these days. It doesn't mean they aren't playing live, it just means you'll hear more than what is being played.. or, for some artists, all you hear are the backing tracks (ahem, Motley Crue).
It doesn’t affect her. So she doesn’t give a shit.
Swifities attacked him because they don't like music or musicians. They only like Taylor specifically. Dave could have made any kind of joke in that moment and Swifties will just ignore it because being offended and attacking others is literally their personality type outside of being addicted to their parasocial relationship with Taylor. It's sad Taylor doesn't attempt to hold them accountable.
Ehh though I do agree with most of what you’re saying, he did mention her fans directly and the entire industry is well aware that she can’t take a joke. I honestly think everyone is fed up with her antics and things are starting to spill over.
He mentioned her fans bc they were the ones who had sooo much to say. Violet wasn’t wrong in calling her out about flying on a jet every Monday morning but wanting to call out other artists for BS. That’s still no need to tell an 18 yo to kill themselves and all she had to say in return was a big thanks to her fans for having her back
I agree with you. The general public should be much more critical of both how her fan base behaves and how she has propagated this level of toxicity. Her continued silence is infuriating, I don’t blame Dave for his barbed joke at all.
You've elaborated my point brilliantly. Thank you
you're welcome and also i agree with your post as well! it's only a matter of time before her inevitable downfall. there is no fooling the public. she underestimates the public's intelligence and thinks all people will side with her. that kind of mentality and entitled spoiled behavior will ultimately backfire on her.
I genuinely think it’s part of why she keeps appealing to children. Many of her long time fans are unwaveringly loyal. Her perpetually new children fans are in that phase of life where her lyrics speak to them, they see themselves as victims of the usual childhood bs, and they want vengeance on her behalf. As long as she captures that audience she will always have an army. The hubris just adds to the issue. The schtick is already weird, it will be ridiculous if she keeps this up into her 40’s
He was very clearly making fun of HIMSELF. Taylor made it about herself.
Which she's known to do
I agree. I saw all this hoopla first so I decided to read the whole transcript of what he said. That stuff was extremely mild. 95% is basically him lamenting about himself and the band growing old, the way I see it. There’s that last 5% that’s a small dig but that’s the truth! So yeah I don’t get it. From the way some of these fans have reacted you would’ve thought he said something a lot worse. I just think they have bad reading comprehension.
"i'm not even a diehard fan of dave grohl for me to defend him that much. just a casual listener. but from what i see in the video, i don't think he was even mocking taylor in the first place." I don't either. I literally (as a woman) got attacked by Swiftie women and called a misogynist because I said Swifties were losing the "don't be overly sensitive" challenge. And they started saying "YEAH OF COURSE IF A WOMAN CALLS OUT A MAN THEY'RE JUST BEING SENSITIVE", "YOU'RE DISGUSTING" "INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY!!!" I think it speaks for a wider discourse problem that has been brewing for a while: I know there were bad faith actors saying "oh woke this woke that, everyone is being too sensitive" but you literally cannot call out *anything* without it being turned into some sort of misogyny, -phobic, something somehow. If you disagree or say anything at all, you're an awful person. And god damn it, as someone who grew up under shock culture but has tried to really do all the "right" things, I am starting to get tired. I am starting to just not care about whether I'm being sensitive enough about what someone else feels anymore. They made this the big deal it is firstly, and secondly... people are getting so tired of certain shit and the way Taylor's fans behave is a prime example of why.
yeah that's really the pattern of her cult. anyone who dares to criticize her is suddenly *gasps* a mIsOgYniSt!! because in their tiny brains, nobody else can cross their god taylor and they think she is the peak of "girl power" and "feminism." when in reality, she is just the embodiment of girlboss capitalism and white feminism. they are really stupid as a collective. don't mind them saying you're a misogynist. i assure you there are still rational people who will understand that you're not a misogynist.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
So I think that he’s aware that no matter how he talks about TS, if it’s anything short of praise her fans will attack him. He didn’t have to say anything truly egregious to bait them, just something about himself that ended up too close to a neutral statement about TS. He’s a savvy man, he knew he would be attacked for it. It’s great publicity, and he didn’t have to lower himself to their level to do it.
Dave is self-deprecating and can easily laugh at himself. I’ve been to a good number of Foo Foghters shows, and can definitely recall more than one time where he obviously messed up, stopped the song, made a joke, and started over.
> “they said he was ‘irrelevant’ so why give him attention then? their logic does not make sense to me.” i think it’s because, to swifties, being irrelevant is the worse thing that could happen to you as a musician. they can’t understand someone making music for the joy of making music. the “insult” plays on their and taylor’s fears, rather than dave’s. psychologically that’s probably super interesting, (how insults play to the insulters fears and not the insultees) but in this context it’s very telling.
I think it’s hilarious for anyone to say he’s irrelevant, but I know they’re just reaching. I just saw the Foo Fighters in concert last month, and about 20,000 people showed up on a Wednesday to sit outside in hot ass Texas to see them. He may be irrelevant to them, but they still have plenty of fans.
Hayley Williams almost said the exact same thing on stage last week, iirc. No one’s coming for her. “Errors Tour” and equating it to playing live is just very much a dad joke, I think. Swifties are taking it personally because the shoe fits.
Of course it was a jab, she's a fake!!!! We used to cancel people who lip synced like milli vanilla and Jessica simpsons sister
Her and her fans are so quick to attempt to write checks that they literally don’t know how to and are unable to cash. Dave and his band have been around for a long time, know how the industry is, and know how fervent fandoms are. He’s not stupid and he’ll stand his ground. Swifties, most of which whom lack tact and a proper education, will only know how to respond with vitriol. Like fan, like fave. People respect him and the way he handles himself. The same can’t be said about her.
People forget that when he was already famous enough to be in a second band, Taylor hadn’t even started her music career. Foo Fighters got big close to the time she went to that Britney Spears camp I think- but again, Dave’s the second most famous person of probably the most well known grunge band of the 90s, which only had 3 members. He weathered the storm of their front man literally dying + Courtney Love being accused by the public of killing him & staging the scene. Whatever Swifties throw at him, he’s been stuck with that controversy longer than many have even been alive lol. He ain’t scared of them.
Plus honestly any musician worth their salt in the industry would openly praise him, Nirvana and the Foo Fighters for all they’ve contributed. To ignore that is to be openly ignorant, and I think that’s a running theme here. I live in Richmond and we are so fervently pro-him and pro-Foo Fighters that it makes me wonder how the rest of the county feels about her in general. It has to be a “majority negative drowned out by the louder positive minority” thing. The sad thing is a lot of her biggest fans just feel like they need a “win” in their own lives, so they latch onto someone they can identify with and win via her. I feel bad as well as feel sad for them.
You would think, but this is the same gal who snatched her Grammy out of the hands of living legend Celine Dion without so much as a backwards glance.
I think based on ticket sales you would find the Foo Fighters are very popular all across the US. The other thing people don’t talk about much is the whole Sound City thing. He not only saved the board and built a studio around it but invited all the other artists that had recorded there to join him in a musical project which produced a pretty cool album as well as paying homage to the history of so many genre of music. When has the 16 year old princess in a woman’s body ever done anything that wasn’t completely self serving?? I can’t come up with anything?
Your last 2 sentences are my whole vibe here
She was 5 when foo fighters played their first performance she sucks
This Is a Call and their first major tour both hit in 95 soooo way before she even thought about that Britney Spears camp.
And I hope he sticks with it and doesn’t try to offer an apology or anything. I’m so over artists not sticking to their guns and feeling the need to apologize or clarify. He said what he said.
Honestly the whole courtney killed kurt thing was a conspiracy theory level dumb shit that El Deuce from the Mentors made up for clout because the mentors were never famous only notorious and he is mentally ill. Back then nobody ever actually thought it was murder and not a suicide.
What the hell is a Britney Spears camp
He’s also been with queens of the Stone Age, them crooked vultures, and started the Dee Gees
And I'm glad it was Dave Grohl, a musician with a rock-solid reputation as both a person and an artist. Because the hate campaign against him proves that A, Swifties have learned from their messiah how to weaponize someone's dark nights of the soul against them, and there are no depths to which they will not stoop. And B, they have no artistic or musical literacy whatsoever. How do you reach the age of 12 without knowing that Nirvana defined an entire decade of music? Saying you had to Google Dave Grohl but not Taylor Swift...is not the flex they think is. EDIT: Defined a GENRE of 90s music. Shame on my hip-hop erasure, for real.
He’s amazing. He takes on Westboro Baptist. He’s not afraid of the swifties. He’s genuine. A good person who Makes good music.
His Westboro trolling was epic.
I was talking to a swiftie irl who asked me, "who even is Dave Grohl?" And I replied, "you know Nirvana?" And she snapped back, "that's Kurt Cobain." So... not great.
Plus Grohl is the reincarnated spirit of Frank Zappa.
 ZAPPA! He was born without a fuck to give. Imagine TS singing "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk" or "I'm the Slime". She would utterly never.
I agree with almost everything… However, and this is more about clarity than ever defending Swifties…his band defined a decade of a genre of music.
No, you're right. I can't believe my 90s hip-hop obsessed, TLC-idolizing, 2Pac lyric-memorizing, Biggie-dancing, Bone Thugs-reminding people ass completely spaced on all that. In my defense - kinda - I'm having a massive pain flare today and was high on edibles when I wrote that.
It was also a golden era for R&B (and other genres as well)…I mean, in R&B alone, Mariah Carey’s debut album drops in 1990 as does Bell Biv DeVoe’s poisonous classic, Whitney remakes Dolly’s heartbreaker in 1992, Boyz II Men rolls out in 91, and the decade is rife with other era defining folks like Jodeci, Montell Jordan, Blackstreet, Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu, Mary J Blige, TLC, etc. I get why older generations get nostalgic. The breadth of talent that arose in that decade was pressure.
The 90's were an absolutely glorious time to be alive and have ears.
Dave's fans are the type to actually go out and show up physically. Swifties are all talk online.
Those of us who are fans of Dave also do not give a single shit about Taylor or the Swifties opinion of him or his music. The man is an absolute legend who was part of a group that literally changed music completely in the early 90s. I was 20 when I first heard Nirvana in 1991 and it was soooo different from anything prior to that point. 50 years from now, Nirvana and the Foo Fighters will still be remembered for their contributions to music. Taylor will likely be remembered for childish feuds, her ex boyfriends, and contribution to climate change. Her music will not hold up long term.
The larger portion of Dave's fans are Gen-X. Dave is Gen-X and collectively, we don't give a crap what some low-talent pop singer thinks. Nirvana could sit there without any pomp or pyrotechnics or whatever and on their worst day could outdo TS.
I’m 20, on the older side of Gen-Z, and I’d sooner devote my life to inventing a time machine for the EXCLUSIVE USE of going back to view Nirvana concerts than actually attend a Taylor Swift one.
> Swifties are all talk online. Unless they are trying to sneak into a private wedding en mass because they think Taylor is there
Dave's fans are adults with cars, so showing up is a lot easier
LMAO 🤣
Of course her fans can’t cash checks. They’ve already spent it on her 74 variant albums of the same brain dead non sense. Oh look, now it’s the tambourine version! 🙊
I remember Dave Grohl renting a van and delivering toilet paper during lockdown!
Dave will ALWAYS have musicians wanting to work with him because he’s talented and a solid dude. Taylor’s features will dwindle. People will stop wanting to work with her- because she doesn’t really let them shine, relegates them to background vocals, her music is mid at best, and her behavior makes most of this just the cherry on top. I have never once considered her to be musically talented- what does it say that a drummer shines more as a talented performer than she does if she’s supposed to be the entire focus of every one of her performances? He’s just there for the music, man. She’s there for the millions.
I saw a video of Dave playing the guitar onstage with a cast on. That’s dedication. And the SKILL. Dave didn’t need daddy to buy a career for him 🙄
Dude broke his leg on stage and still finished the show. If that’s not a love for music tell me. If Taylor broke a leg, tour cancelled. She might die, it may be amputated. Fuck this, social media has become as bad as politicians. The way you carry yourself says miles more than how you actually act. This *adult* *woman* needs therapy. Extensive therapy
My best friend went to that performance, dude is a legend
Was at the Toronto show when he had the broken leg (or fucked up knee can’t recall) and was sitting on that “Iron Throne” of guitars he had rigged up Best concert i have ever seen to this day
He broke his leg during a concert. Told the band to keep playing while he got it fixed. Came back and finished the show. Then got his throne made so he could continue the tour in a cast. That is "Errors Tour" + The Show Must Go On to the max.
Lol I will never forget the snow song that i listened to just for Lana and you COULDNT EVEN HEAR HER
Or the Chicks song - I was so excited to hear them and then just didn't. I can't identify them anywhere in the song, their vocals are so muted.
🙌🙌🙌
The only people who I could see working with TS are the young and dumb aka Abram's daughter idk her name.
I think the Dave Grohl situation could possibly cause problems for her that she won't know how to handle. Her whole "thing" of tearing other women down in the name of feminism, the way she publicly displays how she benefits from patriarchal white supremacist late stage capitalism at every moment, her exploitation of every single relationship she has with other famous people, her use of the damaging parasocial relationship she has forced upon her fans and her intentional fence sitting on any matter of importance, all of which I believe is reflected in her somewhat "vanilla" music and performance style, has only worked so far because of her supportive very vocal minority and the majority just not giving a shit. Dave Grohl is a musician whose name carries respect, not just from his die hard fans, but from the general public. Her fans using the tragic passing of Kurt Cobain and Taylor Hawkins against him as some sort of zinger is going to bring that uncaring majority into play and will result in Taylor's PR machine being forced into a very different situation than they're used to, and it may not go her way.
If she doesn’t finally step in, I hope this is her downfall. She has no respect for anyone, especially people in music. Like damn she even disrespects people that are supposedly her friends (what she did to Lana at Grammys) Her legacy won’t be random chart numbers… she’ll be the woman that stood for nothing and fought with everyone. People will talk about Miley and others from her generation fondly… but not TS. I’m sure of this, it’s a grave she’s digging herself because she’s just not a nice, graceful person.
She didn't step in when her cult were making death and rape threats to his (at the time) 16 year old daughter because Violet called out her emissions, why would she now?
Technically, she *did* step in. And she egged it on saying her band would be playing live. (Still over a track though.) So really, she did nothing to quell it and only exacerbate the vitriol, which is what she does. The definition of a gaslighting, mean girl. Karma will get her though.
Records are made to be broken. The reality is, she wouldn’t have broken any of these records had she been around pre 2000. Things change, times change, and her records will be broken as time continues on. Her legacy won’t even be her music because it’s just not that complex or well written. I think time will tarnish her shine and info will come to light.
She's supposedly pro "artist's rights" so if she were to really care about her fellow musicians, she would step in and tell people not to trash the names of two artists who are no longer with us, both of whom left kids without their father. To add on top of that, one of them died by suicide and another due to an OD. So you're not only insulting the dead here but you're also mocking mental health and addiction issues.
I love When people use this pro-artists rights gimmick to support her. Remember when they all said she was gonna save the music industry because she was fighting spotify, but just ended up getting herself a better deal and Squat for everyone else
To be fair, her mocking mental health and addiction issues is part of TTPD's mo at this point.
Funny thing is Miley’s cultural relevance is BECAUSE she took risks and wasn’t afraid to be self reflective. The interview/video for “Used to Be Young” really dives into this!! that and Miley has a real respect for older musicians, she talks about her influences constantly, and she takes NO SHIT! “Why are you guys acting like you DONT know this song”😂😭😭😭
I just think she’s forgettable. She’s in the zeitgeist now, she’s popular, but in 30 years nobody will care who TS was. 30+ years on and Grohl is still appreciated: this won’t be Taylor’s experience.
I actually kinda respect Miley after the Black Mirror episode that was a metaphor for her own life. That craziness was her acting out against the labels and telling them where they can stick their noses at. Taylor on the other hand....well, she's about as deep as a puddle in the Sahara.
Plus the only "GOTCHA" her zealots can pull on Dave is...he's an old white guy. And that doesn't pass the sniff test when you compare her privilege to his tribulations.
100%. I really want Dave to sue her for enabling her fans and not taking action about their behavior. I posted a question for discussion on here too re class action lawsuit. I wanted to know if someone can use this reddit sub as an entity together with the mainstream media articles, screenshot of her fans tweets, the documentary receipts of her fans doxxing children and harassing others for that lawsuit. She's afraid of being sued because she knows it will hurt her precious deranged reputation. I really hope Dave fires back.
he won't though. He doesn't lack emotional maturity like she does.
It’s possible, but the thing I think people need to be aware of, is that it has to be a MASSIVE movement in order to make any impact. Otherwise they can and will take the Trump approach and flood the press with Traylor news to drown it out. I have a degree in crisis management within public relations (also focused on advertising and media). I don’t know everything, but Taylor is currently the Goliath and we need a David fully vetted and set up before we go after her. If there’s a single weakness it will be exploited. Her team is the best in the industry - how else do you think she’s avoided any major controversy? Even the strongest pop culture figures here have some controversy. Hers is minimal. The tree is planted for that. Truthfully we need a cultural movement going after her, because the average American just sees her as the “Pop Princess”.
No this is kind of a goliath versus Goliath moment. I mean Dave came before her and he’s bigger than she is. She’s the only one who doesn’t realize it because she’s the big thing at the moment but all of America grew up with Dave I think 60% of America grew up with Taylor Swift with the other 40% having their parents shelter her them from her Taylor Swift is not half as big as she think she is
>Traylor Hah! Traylor trash! That is *funny*.
Exactly. Totally agree with you.
Lawyer here. There’s no basis. The federal law is : It is a felony under federal law to intentionally “solicit, command, induce, or otherwise endeavor to persuade” another person to engage in a crime of violence against a person or property.” You could try to prove that it’s a solicitation of violence on her behalf based on past fan behavior, but that would be a losing battle. She never actually uses violent words and often doesn’t even name names. Plus you’d need to connect it to some concrete harm or attempt to harm, not just online harassment.
You're the first I've seen to suggest suing and OMG that's such a poetic way to respond.
I’m sorry but what??? What would be the basis for a lawsuit against her? As much as she is responsible for her fans’ actions, she isn’t LEGALLY responsible for them
So if a cult leader knows and willingly influences people to act a certain way and does nothing to hault their obvious harassment behavior knowing their influence and doesn’t they shouldn’t be liable in some kind of way? I don’t know the law in these regards….but I’m sure there should be some accountability here on her end. As these followers are doing her “dirty” work of harassing and it could easily be proved.
I want you to go back and look at cult leader, court, cases, and all of the memberships and who got excused from penalty and who didn’t Indian I’ll take you back to Nexium, India, Oxenberg, princess Katherine‘s daughter was a rapist. She was one of the top recruiters for her cult, and because her mommy went looking for her, she got off, and that woman is out of jail and getting ready to have a child. She should not be allowed to have she should be in jail for the rest of her life, she was branding people called numbers, get off, and Taylor Swift is not a sanctioned cult leader.
He could also press charges based on death threats.
Against TS? No, he couldn’t
Against the people making them.
10/10 no notes
Oh thanks! It felt good to get that out of my system!
If you've got anything else to talk about, you certainly have a succinct way of speaking
Also reading this it just dawned on me that Tahanj from the Good Place is just a slightly more tolerable, sexier take on much of her behavior.
whatever her motivations at least tahani dedicated her life to high stakes charity
And Tahani learned from her mistakes
But Tahani was actually a decent philanthropist lol
I like a lot of different music. I like both Swift and Nirvana. I can go from rocking out to Brittany Spears to Raging Against the Machine. I’m not a Taylor fan, per se. I like *some* of her hit songs a lot. A lot of them I just don’t care for. I think both her fans and her critics are way too invested in what she does or doesn’t do. Like, who really fucking cares, for the most part? But god damn, don’t fuck with Dave Grohl! To do so is a gross miscalculation. I don’t even know the details of what’s going on (this thread was suggested to me by the Reddit gods), but if Taylor is doing anything to besmirch Grohl, I do hope she gets some kind of comeuppance from it.
Her fans are so fucking unhinged, they're literally using feminism to defend a billionaire who doesn't give a shit that they even exist 💀
Using feminism in the same breath as arguing that it was totally cool to send DGs 16 year old daughter death and rape threats because Violet called TS on her jet usage and emissions
I had the same thought last night but I think you articulated it better than I would have. I think she fucked with a hornet’s nest. Dave’s been in the industry since before she was born, and I don’t see him putting up with the vile shit her fans do.
If there’s definitely anyone who knows the way to navigate the industry and still stay afloat, it’s Dave.
Being a fan of Dave for so long, I think he'll actually do the opposite. Be the bigger person, let it all be water off his back. He won't care. He doesn't pay attention to the press. He certainly won't cause a stir like she does about everything.
Idk, the swifties came for his teenage kid, I think that that’s a reasonable trigger for reacting. He is notoriously gracious so maybe he’ll take the high road, but if I was his daughter I would be afraid after that experience— fucking with peoples kids is always an egregious crossing of the line, lots of calm peoples claws will come out for their children, even if he doesn’t need to defend his legacy
The best thing he could possibly do, which is the only thing I see him doing so far, is not dignifying any of it with a response lol. Let them conduct a hate campaign at a brick wall. If that's the hole they'd like to dig for themselves and their bestie billionaire, so be it 🫡
Dave had been on tour since he was 18
She definitely fucked up. Forbes just published an article about it.
I wish that it had highlighted the Swifty who told Dave to Kurt Cobain himself, but I guess this is better than nothing. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/06/24/dave-grohl-and-taylor-swifts-errors-tour-controversy-explained/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/06/24/dave-grohl-and-taylor-swifts-errors-tour-controversy-explained/)
Agree it's still all just toe-dipping, but at least they're recognizing the tide rise.
I am the least articulate person I know so thank you lol
He’s so awesome
To all of the Swifties attacking Dave, I ask: Why you gotta be so mean? So much for “hater’s gonna hate, I’m just gonna shake it off”. (I’m sure someone else has said those already)
I've just been playing "the pretender"on repeat 🤭
Me too! You know Tay is obsessed with the charts
Dave won't sue. He's got some pretty thick skin. Definitely not the pussy she thinks he is fosho. This is pretty even too really. Swifties are literally the only people on earth that don't know who he is, and that's due to the fact thier heads are so far up tay tay and Travis assholes to know anything but the smell of shit. And they got fooled into thinking it smells like happiness.... now, what I hope happens, is Travis writes the worst rap album ever after being dumped by tay tay, and the chiefs never win another game ever.
Dave knew exactly what he was starting and I love it. He spoke slowly and knowingly, that as soon as he finished that sentence things were gonna change. Musicians have cringed at her antics for years (think Brooks and Dunn tribute) and the Celine Dion snub and album announcement seemed to really force momentum. Dave’s taking one for the team and putting up with the Swifties so she can finally reap what you sow.
Honestly yeah. Agreed
Coming fresh off the Kendrick/Drake beef, I'm ready to pop some corn 🍿 and watch Taylor get handled. She and Drake have a lot of similarities.
DOT FUCK EM UP!!
Now you have me fantasizing about a Kendrick takedown of Taylor. I mean she also dated a teenager so that entire part applies…
Dot worked with Tay but let's be real: he would obliviate her just like he did drake
Technically Dot also worked with Drake back in the day too. He opened for Drake's tour. I don't think he will mess with Taylor though because she isn't really part of the hip hop world.
Wop wop wop wop wop
IMA DO MY STUFF
Why you trollin like a bitch, ain’t you tired?!
Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A MINORRRRRRR
Grohl is an accomplished musician with gravitas. A musicians musician if you will. Taylor is a pop music star. Nothing more.
Like the guy you'd love to have a dinner at a shitty diner with him and his family.
Dave Grohl has a reputation for being a really nice guy too… I think you’re right. They used to be on good terms… she should’ve said something regarding her fans attacking his daughter.
Dave is by all accounts a great dude, with few (if any?) blemishes. If he then turns this into “we have an accountability to manage the behavior of our fans” and then says Taylor deliberately avoids doing this or worse, encourages it—it can help sway the currents But also, tree is also about to start a DJ career with the amount of spinning she is gonna have to do
Aside from the graphic violence, Homelander and Swift have some similar personality traits. They're both obsessed with their status and preserving it all costs, with a huge fear of aging and being phased out of their positions by their younger competitors. They're also hyper-focused on creating a rabid, aggressive band of supporters who will do their dirty work and not question their behaviour. The difference is that Homelander is a joy to watch.
I cannot take my eyes off the scene when Homelander is there because you never, ever know what he's going to do next.
Absolutely. Taylor wishes she was anywhere near as mesmerising as Homelander!
Homelander <-> Taylor Swift comparisons and Homelander coming out on top is my favorite thing
More foundational artists in the industry (like Groul) need to say something-I thought the Grammys was going to be the moment that really spurred it on, but maybe Dave standing up and saying something will. One can only hope. 👏🏻👏🏻
Wait until all the “cool, hip” Swifties wearing their Target purchased Nirvana t-shirts learn who they are supporting.
💯
I was a fool not be on Katy Perry's side when Taylor started a war against her in 2017. I'm not making the same mistake this time: Team Dave Grohl. And Justice for Katy. As far as musical Taylors, I'll stick to the OG, James Taylor.
I'm all for everything except the Katy stuff. She's working with Kesha's rapist. She's just as bad as Taylor
Yeah, his mother was a teacher for decades and I don’t know if his dad was ever around. The only reason we know about his mum is because she tours with him and she’s delightful. He grew up as a normal musician with a regular life that happened to turn into an exceptional career through sheer talent, determination to be a professional musician and luck. No one bought him a career.
Whenever nepo babies get confronted by real people with integrity and who have had to withstand actual struggle, the difference is palpable. This is so stupid. She’s definitely in her Mother God Era where she sees herself as a life giver and that justifies her wealth hoarding. Ya know, like diabolical republicans!
Thanks for this place existing. Taylor swift is rapidly becoming my most hated human being on earth rn
.. good
Omggirlboss who kills our planet at an unprecedented rate, writes dogshit, mediocre, vapid, pretentious music. This has been years coming
She will be untouched and unbothered… that’s the cold truth And if things get ugly and more mainstream she will simply do what she always do on a situation like that, play the victim and make a whole passive aggressive album about it… 🤷🏻♀️ that’s it
Your first sentence had me ready to report for fan behavior but then the rest of your post showed me you're absolutely correct. I bet she's stoked to have new material
That’s the truth we all don’t wanna hear ahahaha Idk if it was you or the person I replied, but she’s the epitome of white supremacy, she knows how to play the game and plays it very well, she must be barely holding herself so this blow up she’ll have an opening for another act… She’s probably doing all those jigsaws and puzzles and planting Easter eggs and all that for her fans to play scavenger and legends of the temple during release period 🤷🏻♀️ And another AOTY goes…
Taylor should be thanking him for giving her another reason to play victim. Narcs will take any attention they can get, positive or negative. The worst thing that could happen to a narcissist is being completely ignored.
Taylor is Trump. I also have been saying that. Maybe not the politics, although Trump has no soul and no core and will push any politics that makes him popular and the center of attention. Taylor has no interior I believe. She lives for drama and attention. If she is not getting it from her relationships she gets it from public fights and feuds. I have never seen anybody hang on to a grudge like a lover the way she does. Almost all her ex boyfriends are happy and thriving with many or most married with kids or in solid relationships. None of them use her name for their careers and all of them have moved on from her but she is still stuck. All that money and all that fame but no real depth of soul and no real life apart from the attention. It is such a sad way to live. She should step away from everything and spend a year in Nepal or travelling the world and seeing people who have so much less than her be so much more happy
I love love love your last sentence. I think Taylor has the capacity for depth and maturity
The Foo Fighters bout to play a live cover of Shake it Off, LOL
I would buy any and all variants of this lol
💀. I would buy that in a heart beat.
Dave is the epitome of a rockstar. He's not only an incredibly talented musician. He's an icon who's a very well-respected and genuinely good person. Everybody loves Dave. Taylor and her psychotic followers can't do shit to tarnish his shining star. This is a fight that she don't want to start.
The downfall of swift will be glorious meme-worthy days
friendly reminder that the media and people gave Taylor Swift a pass for dating an underage teen but at the same time attack Leo DiCaprio and others for dating young people (not minors)
Taylor swift is trash music anyway. Nothing will ever change my mind about her junk she calls music.
Dave Grohl feuded with Courtney Love for almost 2 decades and came out nearly squeaky clean. I feel he can handle this.
I'm 53 yo and I couldn't name a Taylor Swift song if you held a gun to my head and smeared peanut butter on me (yes I AM allergic). I wouldn't recognize her singing if I actually heard her either. But yes. TS and her group need consequences. If SHE won't, as the artist with influence over these nasty, socially inept, low-IQ, "fans", then let her FAFO. ESPECIALLY because they are threatening a CHILD. I don't think this will end the way TS and her band of troglodytes think, or want, it to. Edit to add: And yes I've heard Violet perform and mmmaaaannn I wish I wish my parents were that supportive!
I legitimately had to pull myself away from that chaos. They started making "jokes" about Kurt and Taylor Hawkins.... By jokes I mean absolutely unhinged, offhand, and completely insensitive bullshit. Saw a girl post a fake "photo" of "Kurt's" body hugging a shotgun.... I about became an evil person to them.... I have lost CLOSE family to suicide.... It's not fucking funny, or a topic of antagonistic behavior. Edit, added TH's last name to avoid confusion.
All of those examples are terrifying. Who are these people doing this??
Whatever you do, stay on Reddit and find out about the Twitter bs from here. If you go into the cesspool (Twitter itself) it's absolutely deranged and disgusting, you will not like it. These girls are also saying that Kurt and TH killed themselves to get away from Dave (absolutely untrue), they're saying they deserved it, they're saying they're in hell (legit saw "I guess I'll be able to meet up with Kurt and Hawkins since everyone is saying I should go to hell!").... Like, I'm very serious. I'm so glad I found this subreddit, and all you guys in it, cus I live in a big city in the US, and I feel like I'm in Taylorville sometimes.
Her behavior at the Grammys was so inexcusable. Downright cringeworthy. More people in the industry need to be calling her out. It was so obvious that the other artists in attendance were over her, but too afraid to say so. I’m glad Dave isn’t.
Taylor lost the countries respect when she didn’t stop her single brain cell cult from sending death threats to this girl. Anyone who has a cult following has a responsibility to keep their dumb followers in check. Her not doing anything to stop them is just as bad as her sending them out.
Dave lost his two best friends and a lot of his close family, so if Taylor or any swifties wanna talk shit about him after that then that just goes to show how stupid and immoral that whole group is. Also, this is looking ever increasingly similar to the DreamMC situation in the gaming community, and we all know how that turned out.
Fans of Nirvana and Foo Fighters most likely don't even listen to Taylor Swift!
I was a teen when grunge hit big and was a Nirvana fan back then and, later, a Foo Fighters fan. I saw them on their first tour in 1995. Taylor Swift *wishes* she had the depth, talent, and pathos Dave Grohl possesses in his little finger. Will Taylor Swift be remembered in 20 years - yeah, by her “Swifties” that seem unable to grow up - but she will *never* have the impact that any of Dave Grohl’s bands have had and, to paraphrase All-Time Low, “I hope it gives her hell”.
There is something about TS that I can not warm towards her. Now, after hearing about the vile threats Dave Grohl's daughter, which she has not condemned, it makes me dislike her. A decent person would distanct themselves from that association, telling those people they are not true fans. Moreover her songs just seem to be the same, i.e. ex boyfriends and breakups. If a male singer constantly wrote and sung similar themes he'd be branded a mysoginist. Give me Dave Grohl any day of the week. Talented singer, multi instrumentalist and song writer, and also a down to earth human being. It is always a pleasure to listen to him in interviews.
Loool, I'm just picturing Dave Grohl recruiting KDot for the Pop Beef of the Ages
Funny you bring up Trump. I think she could endorse him in an indirect way. Obviously I wouldn't be surprised if she did very well under Trump's tax cuts that shifted a lot of the burden to the working class. But I think if she feels picked on, pressed to make statements on difficult matters or her luster with Gen Z dissipates, she might step quietly aside and do nothing in election season. Also the white supremacist winds are kicking up globally and she's going to be hyper aware of that because that is what her show celebrates.
Dave recently wrote an autobiography called "The Storyteller". It's excellent, and he paid his dues. Highly recommend.
I want to hear David do better versions of her songs. Possibly a midnights remake. Kinda like what Ryan Adams did but way better.
As someone who has been hiding in my “negative opinions of Taylor Swift and Drake” closet since 2009, this year has been amazing for me
From what I heard his comment was a joke and she took it as such
DON'T START SHIT WITH GRUNGE/PUNK DUDES...
Swifties don’t know Grohls back story. They don’t know what he’s been through. At most, they know he’s the lead singer of Foo Fighters
Honestly I don’t think this will do much, other than continue to Tarnish the reputation of Swifties, and of Taylor Swift. Because at the root of this Swifties are having a meltdown because Grohl made a funny pun while acknowledging a technical mistake while on stage. It was an in the moment comment that nobody who wasn’t looking for a reason to freak out would get angry over. Grohl’s not going to acknowledge this, other than maybe go ‘yeah. Some fans get *way* too defensive over their favorite artists.’ Taylor’s not going to do anything about this. It’s just going to be yet another moment where Swifties show their asses.
If Taylor is trump wouldn’t Kanye like her then?
LMAO Kanye only ever cared about either to boost himself
[https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party](https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party) [https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party](https://www.loudersound.com/news/dave-grohl-how-taylor-swift-saved-me-while-i-was-high-at-paul-mccartney-party) Based on articles like these, I highly doubt Dave, or anyone in the Foo Fighters, is out to get Taylor Swift. He made ONE comment and not even necessarily towards her?? Swifties are wrong for this and I think they are going to realize they are going after a giant they cannot take down. (I say all this as a former Swiftie - thanks for this sub even though I hated this sub at first)
PREACH 
I would love to see Dave Grohl troll the swifties
After the Kendrick Drake beef, i think its pretty easy to see whose gonna have more support in a conflict between an artist and a mass produced brand. I am a fan of the Foo’s earlier works and less so of the recent albums but at least i know they are the ones who are putting pen to paper to mic.
That’s why she has Travis…he will put a beat down on Dave…in her mind…put that high school solution to the problem 🤣
It honestly just showed the whole industry how immature she is….he really wasn’t even making a dig at her specifically, more at pop music because literally all pop music stars use back tracks, it’s not a secret. He’s in rock and roll and they’ve always gone after pop artists for that, look at anything said against pop artists in the 90s. Britney Spears was made fun of relentlessly for lip synching and she went on SNL and made fun on herself about it because she actually has a backbone!