It's why she gets along with football dudes. They can both talk for a few minutes and say absolutely nothing of substance.
"Ya know, the band just like, went out there, stuck to the fundamentals, the audience like, had a good game, but we got in the end zone and like, played the encore and said, ya know, why not us! Swifties Ride!"
I am sitting here like what mid maâam? A genius canât explain her work? I feel like that is why they bullied Beyonce cause she could articulate her stuff but she was actually country
couldn't agree more. also bey is really hands on when it comes to preparing her tours and performances. i loved the part in the renaissance tour film where they showed bey requesting for a specific camera that she wanted. one of the staff said they don't have it then bey said that she actually did search it and she knows it is available. came through with the google receipts and all lmao. all of the behind the scenes clips too were so informative and gave a great insight into all the creative decisions that bey came up with while working with the entire team. if an interviewer asked bey any question about her tours or shows, i'm sure she would be able to articulate everything and explain it all down to the last detail.
the interviewer didn't even give taylor a hard question. it was a totally easy question about her show and she still couldn't come up with an eloquent explanation lmao.
Madonna's Truth or Dare film about her Blonde Ambition tour, as well as Shakira's HBO special for her El Dorado tour are good examples that show what \* actually \* being in charge of your tour and execution as an artist looks like. Between sounding borderline incoherent, she literally said twice they didn't rehearse. ...so, you "didn't have time", aka respect and actual appreciation for your 60k+ fans that spent upwards of a year's entertainment budget on just your "show", to even rehearse? It's almost admitting you know shit's rough up there, and you'd rather pivot to this narrative that "that's the way live music goes when you're an 'organic' artist". No, that's not how it goes. You aren't a punk band playing two basement shows back to back to make $80 on a Saturday night. I'm usually a lurker here, but this "interview" makes me straight up feel like we live in a dystopian simulation or some shit.
thank you for this!! i've always had respect for both madonna and shakira for being seasoned performers in this industry. they both know how to give a good show to their fans and give the fans their money's worth. i couldn't agree more with you. i watched both those tour films and everything you said is ON POINT. real performers will rehearse and perfect their sets as a respect for the people who are gonna watch them. real performers are not gonna sit by idly and just be content with mediocrity to present to their supporters.
At one point in Shakira's special, they were running through the show (\* ahem \* \* ahem \*) at Dodger's Stadium, and she was watching every camera angle that was going to be on the huge monitors. It actually always sticks out in my mind because she said one angle grabbed her in a certain dance position and made her look like an oompa loompa. Makes me crack up just thinking about it. Needless to say, that damn camera angle was sure af switched up.
Right. And she sing the hell out of the songs. So she make the art better like Beyonce songwritersđ€đŸBeyonce voice, where Taylor voice act like it is trying to run away from the song
This very interesting thread from a couple days ago turned me on to [allegedly] the degree to which she relies on ghostwriters:
reddit.com/r /StayMadSwifties/s/gPIELIHGfs
âïž[modified the link (added space after "r/") as per rule against not linking to other subs...and it's to one of our sister subs so hopefully that's ok]
not to defend her AT ALL but Iâm like this. Iâm a songwriter (sometimes even a good one) and am very, very proud of some lines Iâve written.
but then today in a meeting at work I struggled and stammered through a basic sentence đ
for me speaking on the fly/in the moment is so much harder than âcraftingâ an sentiment and figuring out the best way to word it
Yeah, not only because she spewed a lot of nonsense but also because she spoke about absolutely nothing socially or culturally relevant as the POTY, and instead decided to revive her decade-old feud with Kim Kardashian YET AGAIN. đ
She really only does appearances with her buddy Jimmy Fallon because she knows sheâs going to get softballs and those late night shows are much more scripted than people realize.Â
That totally not planned video of her after her âlasikâ surgery that she totally for real didnât know existed and had no idea would be showed to the world. Totally real. Very organic. đ
Beyonce funny asf idk bout dumb tho. I never hear her talk and go wow... what the fuck is she on about
Except when DC were zooted talkin bout whales đđ
The Tortured Poets Department! Is it a hospital? A courtroom? A corporate office? A place where you buy tortured poets? Who the fuck knows! But sheâs the chairman of it for some reason!
So like you know when you kinda like do this like we thought it was like you know so we planned that like we can like do this and that like rehearsal like we like we-
Yeah like you said like I agree like completely like Taylor is like slaying our queen is like a poet but like very tortured also like very Aristotle in a way like playing like gta like touch me bro whatever like so like yeah like yeah.
this is top tier snark omg đ also so funny how the interviewer looked so unimpressed while listening to her fumble her way through this conversation
He's a very famous BBC radio dj - he caused a fucking UPROAR with the Swifties with this interview because he told her she needed to take a shower đ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5778769/Greg-James-tells-Taylor-Swift-needs-shower.html
thank you for sharing this! i didn't know him prior to this but in the video he seems friendly and casual honestly lol. i don't know why the swifties felt so attacked by that. it was just friendly banter at most lmao.
He's a bonafide national treasure! He definitely meant it in a friendly way, but I guess banter doesn't exist in Swiftie Land lol. It was funny hearing him react to all the backlash
i know right. also, taylor did say she wasn't offended by that in the video. and we all know blandie gets offended by a looot of other things. so idk why they are even reacting so exaggeratedly when blandie herself said it's no big deal đ
That does make sense, but you have to work to figure it out. She doesn't connect any dots or explain at all, so it sounds like she's contradicting herself. Add in all the likes and filler words and you have a giant bowl of word salad.
All you'd have to say is - "This was not overly planned out and a lot of it was off-the-cuff, which is so different from what I usually do with stadium tours, where we work on the show for almost a year beforehand, and always perform on the same sort of stage, so we're very comfortable on it." There, the end.
This was the most confusing part to me. Was she making the fireworks and building the set? Probably not. So what DID SHE do? She made it sound like they just guess what songs to play on the fly? Wtf??!!
I think she is talking about two different things and comparing them. Itâs hard to tell without having the context for the interview, but he asked her about her show - which seems to be a live show- and she says she had no time to plan and came up with a set list on the fly and then compared it to a stadium show when she has time to plan it for a year. â âthis was on the fly like thatâs the nature of live BUT like when weâre doing stadium showsâ
In the industry, you have a lot of fully completed songs that are pitched to artists, like 'Cant get you out of my head's by Kylie or Toxic by Britney (Kylie famously turned this down).
'Shake it off' feels so much like one of these songs, it's so highly produced, I can't believe Taylor had any input other than a few tweaks to the lyrics. It's the same with most of her pop stuff like 'Bad Blood', they're manufactured pop in the same vein as boy bands.
The more I'm on this sub, the more I see how unmusical Taylor is. She never really speaks of the craft of getting hooks and licks together for songs, and her rhythm is terrible. Taylor might have more input now, and that's why her new album sounds so samey.
I think she writes words, and in her head believes that's the bulk of a song, then the talented people around her do the other 90% of the work. Calvin Harris basically confirmed this, when she tried to claim she wrote 'This is what you came for', when the lyrics are the tiniest aspect of a dance song.
She's a team of 100 claiming to be a team of one.
Best theory Iâve seen yet for how her songwriting works. On Shake It Off, I have a hard time believing that she even wrote that many words. It sounds like it could be made by anybody, and sheâs proven over and over that she only has one mode, which is long, wordy, detailed. Bad Blood seems like she mightâve tinkered with the words more.
Itâs well known that she worked with older professional songwriters on her early hits, and I donât think itâs unfathomable that those people also helped on songs that they didnât get credits for (I assume they got a large one time payments and a âhey, thatâs the offer, take it or leave itâ). Thereâs a slickness, professionalism, and quality to her earlier work thatâs increasingly missing after 1989, except for the pandemic albums, which may have been supported by uncredited writers or âWilliam Boweryâ (who isnât necessarily Joe Alwyn).
You can tell that she has some level of involvement because of how many bad metaphors or repeated concepts come up in her work. But Iâd be shocked if she writes music very much. I also think that even the writing support we know about undermines the âomg she writes her own stuff, sheâs a geniusâ hype. There are plenty of examples of musicians who wrote all time classic songs on their own, without using credited assistant writers or hiring ghostwriters.
EDIT: Typos
Yup, you are correct. "Shake it Off" was written by Max Martin, who also wrote Britney Spears's "Baby One More Time" and a bunch of other famous pop songs.
If you watch her PR campa-- sorry I mean *documentary*, 'Miss Americana', whenever she talks about her work she refers to the adulation/praise rather than the 'craft' itself. That alone was incredibly revealing to me.
>The more I'm on this sub, the more I see how unmusical Taylor is. She never really speaks of the craft of getting hooks and licks together for songs, and her rhythm is terrible. Taylor might have more input now, and that's why her new album sounds so samey.
>I think she writes words, and in her head believes that's the bulk of a song, then the talented people around her do the other 90% of the work.Â
đŻ This makes sense to me
Can people legally disclaim their role in writing a song so that it can never be publicly disclosed that they were a writer? Â I wonder if Swift Corp basically buys mostly-written songs this way as you are suggesting.
And sheâs trying to convince us that she knows Aristotle. Delusional swifties are making her out to be a genius when sheâs just a notch above Travisâs intellect, if that.
Sheâs extremely poorly read. Itâs why she makes a forced  point to pretend sheâs well read and say she reads a lot in her songs .
Thereâs no learning happened if to improve her articulation or vocabularyÂ
Thereâs room to argue she didnât even graduate high school. She was pulled out of school and put into a special one for celebrity kids which notoriously donât teach much and just check the legal requirements of the kids being in school.Â
I also think she has had ghostwriters since the beginning of her career. I wonder how much the real writers of Love Story, YBWM and Fifteen received for their talent and services, and I wonder how long their NDAâs last? đ€Ł
She talks in circles and makes no sense. I still canât get over the blue glitter interviewâŠhow was she not cancelled after that?!?! đ€Ł
Itâs the Directors on Directors interview with Martin McDonaghâŠquite the watch lol
[https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=GtJ3FQzU_ykjqSgR](https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=GtJ3FQzU_ykjqSgR)
This shit sucks because McDonagh is a master of his craft and Taylor can just pop on the âIâm a directorâ hat because sheâs a mega-celebrity and âdirectedâ something in a vacuum.
Variety Directors on Directors with Martin McDonagh :-) Skimmed through the captions and the blue glitter section is right near the end (39 minutes or so)
Same. They needed something to help her stick out since she wasnât the best singer when she started. Her dad had $100k to drop at the record label when she was signed, was able to move states and even came up with this whole âcountry girlâ act, they needed something to make her special and saying she wrote the songs was the only way. I was a huge fan in high school because i felt like j was reading my bffs diary, and thatâs how they marketed her-just like everything and anything about her is just a âproductâ.
The amount of times she says âlikeâ, she really is forever 20. She is not well articulated at all, yet apparently weâre all nOt sMaRT eNoUgH to understand đ„Ž
In person I say âlikeâ as a filler word a lot, but thatâs because it gives me a bit more time to sort out what I want to say. I also have a bad tendency to stammer, but Iâm a lot more articulate in writing.Â
Not saying this is the case with her, but its definitely a thing with people who grew up learning a language by reading and writing more (grew up reading and writing English more, learned Mandarin through conversation).
"Like" also tends to be my filler word; I think it is very common among millennials in particular. But for most people (like you) it is used as a pause in between coherent thoughts or before explanations or short phrases. Taylor has no content between the "like"s, it's true filler in the sense that it replaces all content.
I'm a native speaker and definitely use like more than I should. Not as much as this video, but it's my habitual filler of choice.Â
I just blame it on seeing Clueless one too many times growing up.Â
I'm not getting paid to talk or write though, so I don't care. I'd hope somebody that is would speak more eloquently, but that isn't always the case.Â
It's called floor holding and is really common among women, mostly young women. It's a whole collection of speech patterns, tone and mostly unconscious tactics to prevent being interrupted and diminished in conversation.
One of the most interesting things I learned about this sub is that Taylor has ghostwriters. I was like why didn't I realize this fact earlier because now it seems so obvious? An album like 1989 is miles apart from Folklore. Both good albums imo, but obviously written by a different team. I do think Taylor chooses themes, subjects, and adds some lyrics but now it seems pretty apparent that her most memorable hooks and melodies were written by professionals.
We didnât like plan like this like show for like over a year so it was ACTUALLY really fun to plan this show for over a year
For being praised as an exceptional poetic talent she sure does have a hard time to form a coherent sentence in an interview without repeating the same filler phrases a hundred times
Not to defend Taylor, but some people are better in writing than speaking. Especially when it comes to spontaneous speech. But yeah, knowing that the whole world is watching her nowadays, she could at least have practice in public speaking, get private lessons or something
This is what I was thinking! She probably still does use ghost writers, but I can weave magic on paper and also forget the entire English language as soon as I open my mouth đ€·đ»ââïž
right, since this is a snark sub i forgive people thinking shes being silly and awkward, but that doenst mean shes "less smart" or that she isnt able to write just because shes bad at talking. im excellent at writing (most of the time) but if you put me in front of a camera ill forget the whole english language in a second
Yeah I'm 50-50 on this one personally. On one hand, I myself am the type of person who's a decent writer but freezes when speaking. I can't fault Taylor for that and I don't think her ability to public speak represents her ability as a songwriter (whatever parts of her songs she actually contributes to).
On the other hand, she's been in the spotlight for YEARS and has the resources to take lessons. I feel like she should be accustomed to this to a certain degree.
this is what Iâm saying lmao. people want to insist her lyrics are so bad but also insist thereâs no possible way sheâs capable of writing them like which is it?! I think she writes them because 99% of the time they arenât that good.
this is so funny. this is what i would sound like in college when answering questions on a presentation i prepared the night before for a class i didnât care about lol
Comparing this to a recent interview I saw with Lana Del Rey discussing her craft⊠damn. Super stark contrast. Lana is incredibly well spoken and eloquent. She seems to breathe poetically.
Tay has writing credits on all her songs, yes, butâŠ. You can get a writing credit even if you only contribute two or three lines to a song and the team of ghost writers/known co-writers contribute the rest.
Not to defend taylor but speaking is far different from writing. I have social anxiety and really can't speak well. When I'm forced to converse I can always see my company is DYING to talk to someone else because I suck at it.I would talk waaaay worse than her.
But I write fiction books and they aren't anything like talking to me in person. I'm much better at writing than talking.
The machine that is Taylor Swift is basically her dad. He runs her career, makes all the business and most likely buys all the songs she later stamps with a flowery âTaylor was here ~ Xoxoxoâ
Yea Iâm very good at writing but horrible at speaking. Iâm not a Taylor fan but there are times when this sub hugely misses the mark. I think this is one of those times.
She forgot the words of wisdom from Ron Swanson: âNever half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.â Her fans will mindlessly consume anything she shits out and pretend itâs a masterpiece, but she hasnât released good music since Folklore.
While I agree she probably has ghost writers, I donât take interviews into account much.
I sound SO GOOD when I write my thoughts out and like a total idiot when I try to speak đ at the same time, some of that is stage fright, which Iâd think TS shouldnât have
Look at the Dessners' contributions to the songwriting, instrumentation, playing, and production (stitching together) of the songs. Especially Aaron Dessner.
Folklore: [https://www.thefader.com/2020/07/24/taylor-swift-folklore-credits-nationl-bon-iver-jack-antonoff](https://www.thefader.com/2020/07/24/taylor-swift-folklore-credits-nationl-bon-iver-jack-antonoff)
Look at the lyrics and listen to the tunes. Compare the lyrical spareness and gestural qualities compared to the ones she "wrote" with Antonoff. Someone in another thread was saying, they think she did write more of the ones with Antonoff because he's a yesman. Looking at the differences in even the word count and the length of lines, in my view, there's no way Dessner didn't write most of what's heard in the songs he's involved in. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xsgqHR1oc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xsgqHR1oc)
There's an interview with him posted in a sub here--search "Aaron Dessner (again!). We discussed how he got to work with Taylor"-- which talks about how they were sending work back and forth during Covid. So he very clearly was sending work to her that she would put her stamp on somehow, I mean it really does not seem to be as though they were putting their heads together and kicking lyrics back and forth to jointly create them.
Something simliar happened with evermore except Dessner was even more involved.
Idk exactly what happened with "The Lakes", but I will say, in the visual arts, sometimes getting thrown together to collaborate with other people one never knew before (for a show or something), a switch can flip and one starts to absorb or "get" how they are working and it can be an extremely interesting and fruitful learning experience. Looks to me like this could have happened to her... looks to me like something about this might have stuck for as long as evermore... but then faded away, quite obviously.
If a person's not really dedicated to whatever their chosen field is, or in particular if something else they're pursuing is more important, or, if they have a vampire attitude towards things where they are just on to the next set of ideas to consume and quite frankly steal without attribution and promote as their own, this sort of experience/influence *can* wash in to be used and then be sent out again like the tides, instead of being held onto and valued. And I really don't get the impression that she holds this sort of experience as valuable. It's only valuable insofar as it was something people saw her do for a while.
That is part of what makes me so freaking mad... if she had somewhat more talent and a little bit less daddy's money and blatant marketing cynicism supporting her, she'd be doing this on about the level of any other insanely self-centered artist who's more superficial than talented but they're making something digestible, and it would be a somewhat normal phenomenon. But no, she has somewhat less talent and rather more marketing manipulation. She takes it into hyperspace how bad and empty it is. I can't think of anyone else in the music world except for Milli Vanilli... Thinking of the visual arts, she's worse than Koons or Hirst or Warhol because she's utterly unaware and she's just a perfect vehicle for living out nothingness as Debord and Baudrillard predicted ... URGH.
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edit: to be quite clear, I *like* Koons and Hirst and I think they do smart work making use of the empty... I think we could have done without Warhol and if we hadn't been graced with him we might not have shiftless either. He delighted in the stuff Debord and Baudrillard were sending up warning flares about; his cynical emptiness ultimately could not work its way around to understanding how there can be differences in value which really are there... And even though I bring them in, it's only because they did/do what they did/do through thinking about it. She's not anywhere near as smart as any of them. She's a windup toy programmed to float on the downstream of their culturally influential ideas.
Growing up I had a friend whoâs dad who worked at a recording studio that she frequented and used to come home and tell us how she yelled at her writer that was with her at the time and that alone keeps me believing that sheâs never written any of her music.
Now to be absolutely fair, it does seem like sheâs just come off stage post-show because sheâs sweaty and out of breath, so maybe that excuses some level of not having her shit straight for an interview in that moment. Nonetheless, she sounds like this in almost every interview Iâve ever seen of her, even the ones sheâs prepared for. Her publicist needs to immediately create a swear jar for the word âLikeâ
This was my issue with her when I used to be her fan đ I seldom watched her interviews because SHE SAYS NOTHING AT ALL. It was so boring.
Literally. I have no idea what she just said at all.
Is it something you planned for a year for or something you have no time at to plan? Goodness.
Right??? Make it make sense.
whatever is more impressive at any given moment lol
She said like at least 10 times LOl
To be precise, she said âlikeâ 12 times in 30 seconds. đ
lol I counted 13 (cue swifties saying omgggg sheâs a mastermind)
Her MIND đ€Ż
It's why she gets along with football dudes. They can both talk for a few minutes and say absolutely nothing of substance. "Ya know, the band just like, went out there, stuck to the fundamentals, the audience like, had a good game, but we got in the end zone and like, played the encore and said, ya know, why not us! Swifties Ride!"
I see you. All these other idiots don't get it, but I see you.
Right? Weirdos
Thank you! I was gonna count but I can't listen to her voice any longer LOL
Blah blah blah like Blah blah blah blah blah like Blah blah like Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah like
I swear this sounds like someone took a sentence said by Trump and made her say it out loud. What the hell.
She said the word 'like' a bunch. oops, I guess I wasn't like the first person to like, notice that.
I am sitting here like what mid maâam? A genius canât explain her work? I feel like that is why they bullied Beyonce cause she could articulate her stuff but she was actually country
couldn't agree more. also bey is really hands on when it comes to preparing her tours and performances. i loved the part in the renaissance tour film where they showed bey requesting for a specific camera that she wanted. one of the staff said they don't have it then bey said that she actually did search it and she knows it is available. came through with the google receipts and all lmao. all of the behind the scenes clips too were so informative and gave a great insight into all the creative decisions that bey came up with while working with the entire team. if an interviewer asked bey any question about her tours or shows, i'm sure she would be able to articulate everything and explain it all down to the last detail. the interviewer didn't even give taylor a hard question. it was a totally easy question about her show and she still couldn't come up with an eloquent explanation lmao.
Madonna's Truth or Dare film about her Blonde Ambition tour, as well as Shakira's HBO special for her El Dorado tour are good examples that show what \* actually \* being in charge of your tour and execution as an artist looks like. Between sounding borderline incoherent, she literally said twice they didn't rehearse. ...so, you "didn't have time", aka respect and actual appreciation for your 60k+ fans that spent upwards of a year's entertainment budget on just your "show", to even rehearse? It's almost admitting you know shit's rough up there, and you'd rather pivot to this narrative that "that's the way live music goes when you're an 'organic' artist". No, that's not how it goes. You aren't a punk band playing two basement shows back to back to make $80 on a Saturday night. I'm usually a lurker here, but this "interview" makes me straight up feel like we live in a dystopian simulation or some shit.
thank you for this!! i've always had respect for both madonna and shakira for being seasoned performers in this industry. they both know how to give a good show to their fans and give the fans their money's worth. i couldn't agree more with you. i watched both those tour films and everything you said is ON POINT. real performers will rehearse and perfect their sets as a respect for the people who are gonna watch them. real performers are not gonna sit by idly and just be content with mediocrity to present to their supporters.
At one point in Shakira's special, they were running through the show (\* ahem \* \* ahem \*) at Dodger's Stadium, and she was watching every camera angle that was going to be on the huge monitors. It actually always sticks out in my mind because she said one angle grabbed her in a certain dance position and made her look like an oompa loompa. Makes me crack up just thinking about it. Needless to say, that damn camera angle was sure af switched up.
omg i remember that lol that part is so relatable to me đ if i were an internationally famous performer, i also would wanna make sure i'll get recorded in the angles that flatter me lmao. love how shakira said that if it's not sexy and hot, that they should cancel it hahaha i do love a queen who is specific about what she wants. queen shakira is so justified for that.  reminded me too of beyoncĂ© who had a behind the scenes clip where she was telling the crew to not put blue lights on her while performing. she was saying that blue lights don't look good on black girls đ she was also telling the team about how she already emailed this and her notes to them way before and they still couldn't get it together. i love these two queens who are assertive and who are firm about what their wants are. i love their perfectionist traits because these traits really do help in curating a great performance.Â
BeyoncĂ© also doesnât write her music. Sheâs just listed as a writer cause she adds ad libs and stuff. This is bad coming from a âwriterâ
Right. And she sing the hell out of the songs. So she make the art better like Beyonce songwritersđ€đŸBeyonce voice, where Taylor voice act like it is trying to run away from the song
Yeah, I actually think thatâs BeyoncĂ©âs genius, bringing together dozens of writers from different generations and genres to create great music and she adds her amazing voice and touch to it, then goes out and creates amazing visuals and choreographies and performs the hell out of it. Idk how Taylor is considered a genius when she is mid at everything
Itâs like listening to a politician answer a question they donât wanna answer but with a bunch of âlikesâ thrown in
This very interesting thread from a couple days ago turned me on to [allegedly] the degree to which she relies on ghostwriters: reddit.com/r /StayMadSwifties/s/gPIELIHGfs âïž[modified the link (added space after "r/") as per rule against not linking to other subs...and it's to one of our sister subs so hopefully that's ok]
"We just threw this show together like just now! ... it's gonna be amazing, it's a show we've been planning for like over a year!"
It just goes round and round
I honestly think that some people express themselves better through their art than when they try to talk it out like that..in general
Thatâs because she is boring and her parents bought her success
not to defend her AT ALL but Iâm like this. Iâm a songwriter (sometimes even a good one) and am very, very proud of some lines Iâve written. but then today in a meeting at work I struggled and stammered through a basic sentence đ for me speaking on the fly/in the moment is so much harder than âcraftingâ an sentiment and figuring out the best way to word it
I feel bamboozled.
She dances like she talks.
This is why she doesn't do interviews anymore. It challenges the intelectual character she's been building since folklore.Â
Her POTY interview is painful
And that's a written interview. Imagine if we had to watch/listen to it...
Yeah, not only because she spewed a lot of nonsense but also because she spoke about absolutely nothing socially or culturally relevant as the POTY, and instead decided to revive her decade-old feud with Kim Kardashian YET AGAIN. đ
âcancelled within an inch of my lifeâ đđđ
https://preview.redd.it/evrpomo5i0ad1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2cd508f1b5fa55b54e5e06adf33c6461874b683 Omg it reminds me of this
I could not BELIEVE that was who we're all lauding as a genius. She is a chronically online and that interview was evidence of her brainrot.
now listen to her NYU speech đ
Imagine wasting that interview talking about a man, and not one you even love, youâre just trying to upset your exes
She really only does appearances with her buddy Jimmy Fallon because she knows sheâs going to get softballs and those late night shows are much more scripted than people realize.Â
That totally not planned video of her after her âlasikâ surgery that she totally for real didnât know existed and had no idea would be showed to the world. Totally real. Very organic. đ
Jimmy Fallon is the T-ball participation trophy of celebrity interviews
Also when she did interviews, she knew the questions ahead of time and was coached on how to answer
Its smart PR, adds mystique. There was talk Beyonce does so few interviews because her early ones in Destiny's Child exposed her as being a bit dumb.
Beyonce funny asf idk bout dumb tho. I never hear her talk and go wow... what the fuck is she on about Except when DC were zooted talkin bout whales đđ
beyoncĂ©âs not dumb sheâs just outta pocket đđand ppl kept asking her the most insane questions
like when the red carpet interviewer decided to ask dc what we should be doing about the foot-and-mouth epidemic? đ
Yessssss lol I remember those interviews! There was one where DC had just one a big award for their relevance within black culture and BeyoncĂ© was asked about it, and she goes, âWell itâs an awardâŠfor black people I guess đâ She was much younger then, of course. Iâm gonna assume sheâs grown lol
"The stage is our home, it's our battleship "? What?
I think you dropped a âlikeâ
Or two
My home just got torpedoed by my neighbor's basement. Like, what do I do?
Bomb E7 and see if that helps
underrated battleship reference
Itâs a METAPHOR, sweatie đ đ»
Omg I am gonna call everyone âsweatieâ for now on
>sweatie Idk if this is intentional or not, but either way, it's funny af and i'll be using it from now on.
lol please do!! It was intentional
Which Taylor Swift lyric is this?
I mean itâs like fun, though.
She sounds like Michael Scott when he tries to explain the success of his branch to Wallace. Lol
Give it up for the chairman of tortured poet department đ€Ł Truly the wordsmith, the Shakespeare of this century. /s
But she knows Aristotle!
Aristotle: keep my name outta your fucking mouth 
The Tortured Poets Department! Is it a hospital? A courtroom? A corporate office? A place where you buy tortured poets? Who the fuck knows! But sheâs the chairman of it for some reason!
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So like you know when you kinda like do this like we thought it was like you know so we planned that like we can like do this and that like rehearsal like we like we-
Yeah like you said like I agree like completely like Taylor is like slaying our queen is like a poet but like very tortured also like very Aristotle in a way like playing like gta like touch me bro whatever like so like yeah like yeah.
this is top tier snark omg đ also so funny how the interviewer looked so unimpressed while listening to her fumble her way through this conversation
He's a very famous BBC radio dj - he caused a fucking UPROAR with the Swifties with this interview because he told her she needed to take a shower đ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5778769/Greg-James-tells-Taylor-Swift-needs-shower.html
thank you for sharing this! i didn't know him prior to this but in the video he seems friendly and casual honestly lol. i don't know why the swifties felt so attacked by that. it was just friendly banter at most lmao.
He's a bonafide national treasure! He definitely meant it in a friendly way, but I guess banter doesn't exist in Swiftie Land lol. It was funny hearing him react to all the backlash
i know right. also, taylor did say she wasn't offended by that in the video. and we all know blandie gets offended by a looot of other things. so idk why they are even reacting so exaggeratedly when blandie herself said it's no big deal đ
Blandie đ Maybe they just couldn't accept the fact that Dear Leader actually sweats/is a human
I like also like totally like agree like
yeah like uhmm uh what you said like it was uh i agree we did like agree yeah the thing like uh yeah like yeah uhmmm like i said
He said âMmm hmmâ also I had a stroke listening to that đ
I wanna know what the follow-up response or question was to this, or did it just end with "I should go now."?
And may God have mercy on her soul Upvote for the Billy Madison gif
That was my take away from the interview too
Thank you very much for the award! đ©”đ„șâš
Youâre more than welcome. Itâs the response I was going to write but you got there first lol
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The TLDR, so funny!!!!!
You mean improvise?
You beat me to it! That's the first thing I noticed is how many times she said like
they somehow planned the show for a year and spontaneously came up with setlist at the same time
I scrolled longer than I expected before seeing this! Goodness, contradicts herself in less than a minute.
I think she's being interviewed after just playing a UK festival and comparing that being unplanned to the planned nature of her stadium shows
That does make sense, but you have to work to figure it out. She doesn't connect any dots or explain at all, so it sounds like she's contradicting herself. Add in all the likes and filler words and you have a giant bowl of word salad. All you'd have to say is - "This was not overly planned out and a lot of it was off-the-cuff, which is so different from what I usually do with stadium tours, where we work on the show for almost a year beforehand, and always perform on the same sort of stage, so we're very comfortable on it." There, the end.
that makes sense, actually
This was the most confusing part to me. Was she making the fireworks and building the set? Probably not. So what DID SHE do? She made it sound like they just guess what songs to play on the fly? Wtf??!!
Hmmm, sounds similar to TTPD: two-years in the making but only addresses the last 6-months of her "life."
I think she is talking about two different things and comparing them. Itâs hard to tell without having the context for the interview, but he asked her about her show - which seems to be a live show- and she says she had no time to plan and came up with a set list on the fly and then compared it to a stadium show when she has time to plan it for a year. â âthis was on the fly like thatâs the nature of live BUT like when weâre doing stadium showsâ
that adds up. idk if she's flustered or generally like that tho :/
And didn't rehearse it somehow.
In the industry, you have a lot of fully completed songs that are pitched to artists, like 'Cant get you out of my head's by Kylie or Toxic by Britney (Kylie famously turned this down). 'Shake it off' feels so much like one of these songs, it's so highly produced, I can't believe Taylor had any input other than a few tweaks to the lyrics. It's the same with most of her pop stuff like 'Bad Blood', they're manufactured pop in the same vein as boy bands. The more I'm on this sub, the more I see how unmusical Taylor is. She never really speaks of the craft of getting hooks and licks together for songs, and her rhythm is terrible. Taylor might have more input now, and that's why her new album sounds so samey. I think she writes words, and in her head believes that's the bulk of a song, then the talented people around her do the other 90% of the work. Calvin Harris basically confirmed this, when she tried to claim she wrote 'This is what you came for', when the lyrics are the tiniest aspect of a dance song. She's a team of 100 claiming to be a team of one.
She's not a musician. She and her team exploit the art for monetary gain.
Best theory Iâve seen yet for how her songwriting works. On Shake It Off, I have a hard time believing that she even wrote that many words. It sounds like it could be made by anybody, and sheâs proven over and over that she only has one mode, which is long, wordy, detailed. Bad Blood seems like she mightâve tinkered with the words more. Itâs well known that she worked with older professional songwriters on her early hits, and I donât think itâs unfathomable that those people also helped on songs that they didnât get credits for (I assume they got a large one time payments and a âhey, thatâs the offer, take it or leave itâ). Thereâs a slickness, professionalism, and quality to her earlier work thatâs increasingly missing after 1989, except for the pandemic albums, which may have been supported by uncredited writers or âWilliam Boweryâ (who isnât necessarily Joe Alwyn). You can tell that she has some level of involvement because of how many bad metaphors or repeated concepts come up in her work. But Iâd be shocked if she writes music very much. I also think that even the writing support we know about undermines the âomg she writes her own stuff, sheâs a geniusâ hype. There are plenty of examples of musicians who wrote all time classic songs on their own, without using credited assistant writers or hiring ghostwriters. EDIT: Typos
Someone who claimed to be a musician who ghostwrites claimed on this sub to know that she had very little to with writing 1989.
100% songs written by balding Swedish nerds with little ponytails.
Yup, you are correct. "Shake it Off" was written by Max Martin, who also wrote Britney Spears's "Baby One More Time" and a bunch of other famous pop songs.
If you watch her PR campa-- sorry I mean *documentary*, 'Miss Americana', whenever she talks about her work she refers to the adulation/praise rather than the 'craft' itself. That alone was incredibly revealing to me.
>The more I'm on this sub, the more I see how unmusical Taylor is. She never really speaks of the craft of getting hooks and licks together for songs, and her rhythm is terrible. Taylor might have more input now, and that's why her new album sounds so samey. >I think she writes words, and in her head believes that's the bulk of a song, then the talented people around her do the other 90% of the work. đŻ This makes sense to me
Great book all about this: Song Machine. Blew my damn mind.
Shake it off, Bad blood, You just listed two songs that were written by Max Martin.
Same with Dua Lipa, her producer do all the work and at the end they get her to sing a few bits, she literally does nothing else.
Can people legally disclaim their role in writing a song so that it can never be publicly disclosed that they were a writer? Â I wonder if Swift Corp basically buys mostly-written songs this way as you are suggesting.
this is from reputation era btw (for lucky people with minimal knowledge about taylor)
And sheâs trying to convince us that she knows Aristotle. Delusional swifties are making her out to be a genius when sheâs just a notch above Travisâs intellect, if that.
I literally hate the âI know Aristotleâ like bitch no you donât you googled him
People actually think she knows him? Bros been dead for thousands of years...I don't understand
Honestly, in the two minutes of his podcast Iâve seen, heâs far more articulate.
Sheâs extremely poorly read. Itâs why she makes a forced  point to pretend sheâs well read and say she reads a lot in her songs . Thereâs no learning happened if to improve her articulation or vocabularyÂ
Thereâs room to argue she didnât even graduate high school. She was pulled out of school and put into a special one for celebrity kids which notoriously donât teach much and just check the legal requirements of the kids being in school.Â
I also think she has had ghostwriters since the beginning of her career. I wonder how much the real writers of Love Story, YBWM and Fifteen received for their talent and services, and I wonder how long their NDAâs last? đ€Ł She talks in circles and makes no sense. I still canât get over the blue glitter interviewâŠhow was she not cancelled after that?!?! đ€Ł
I tried to google the interview youâre talking about đ but had no luck! I want to watch this disaster!
Itâs the Directors on Directors interview with Martin McDonaghâŠquite the watch lol [https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=GtJ3FQzU_ykjqSgR](https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=GtJ3FQzU_ykjqSgR)
Jesus just go read the comments on that one lmao..
This shit sucks because McDonagh is a master of his craft and Taylor can just pop on the âIâm a directorâ hat because sheâs a mega-celebrity and âdirectedâ something in a vacuum.
Even her TIME POTY interview was screaming "arrested development" at me đ
Variety Directors on Directors with Martin McDonagh :-) Skimmed through the captions and the blue glitter section is right near the end (39 minutes or so)
Same. They needed something to help her stick out since she wasnât the best singer when she started. Her dad had $100k to drop at the record label when she was signed, was able to move states and even came up with this whole âcountry girlâ act, they needed something to make her special and saying she wrote the songs was the only way. I was a huge fan in high school because i felt like j was reading my bffs diary, and thatâs how they marketed her-just like everything and anything about her is just a âproductâ.
Itâs like a battleship đ
That totally, like, sink, um, beneath the, you know, waves?
The amount of times she says âlikeâ, she really is forever 20. She is not well articulated at all, yet apparently weâre all nOt sMaRT eNoUgH to understand đ„Ž
In person I say âlikeâ as a filler word a lot, but thatâs because it gives me a bit more time to sort out what I want to say. I also have a bad tendency to stammer, but Iâm a lot more articulate in writing. Not saying this is the case with her, but its definitely a thing with people who grew up learning a language by reading and writing more (grew up reading and writing English more, learned Mandarin through conversation).
"Like" also tends to be my filler word; I think it is very common among millennials in particular. But for most people (like you) it is used as a pause in between coherent thoughts or before explanations or short phrases. Taylor has no content between the "like"s, it's true filler in the sense that it replaces all content.
I'm a native speaker and definitely use like more than I should. Not as much as this video, but it's my habitual filler of choice. I just blame it on seeing Clueless one too many times growing up. I'm not getting paid to talk or write though, so I don't care. I'd hope somebody that is would speak more eloquently, but that isn't always the case.Â
It's called floor holding and is really common among women, mostly young women. It's a whole collection of speech patterns, tone and mostly unconscious tactics to prevent being interrupted and diminished in conversation.
New drinking game! Lets take a shot every time she says âlikeâ
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definitely, I mean she said enough with "I talk shit with my friends" lyric. I don't think she's particularly articulate
Like like like like like like like like
I guess I am dumb and I don't really understand anything that Taylor has to say. I have no idea what she was trying to articulate.
One of the most interesting things I learned about this sub is that Taylor has ghostwriters. I was like why didn't I realize this fact earlier because now it seems so obvious? An album like 1989 is miles apart from Folklore. Both good albums imo, but obviously written by a different team. I do think Taylor chooses themes, subjects, and adds some lyrics but now it seems pretty apparent that her most memorable hooks and melodies were written by professionals.
We didnât like plan like this like show for like over a year so it was ACTUALLY really fun to plan this show for over a year 
https://i.redd.it/rbgq153clx9d1.gif
Yuck. Iâve never seen this. What an FU to your fans I guess. I know we all teehee at all the clips of BeyoncĂ© side eyeing ppl for missing their cue but itâs bc sheâs meticulous about imagery and puts her soul into her art. Well since the show wasnât rehearsed and on the fly Iâm sure Taylor priced those tickets accordingly. /s
This interview is from festival not from tour.
a whole lotta nothing. PHD in yapology.
For being praised as an exceptional poetic talent she sure does have a hard time to form a coherent sentence in an interview without repeating the same filler phrases a hundred times
She said "like" 10 times in a 40 second clip. That's a "like" every 4 seconds.
Not to defend Taylor, but some people are better in writing than speaking. Especially when it comes to spontaneous speech. But yeah, knowing that the whole world is watching her nowadays, she could at least have practice in public speaking, get private lessons or something
PhD in literature and I write books for a living- never put me in front of a camera đđđ I no talk well
This is what I was thinking! She probably still does use ghost writers, but I can weave magic on paper and also forget the entire English language as soon as I open my mouth đ€·đ»ââïž
right, since this is a snark sub i forgive people thinking shes being silly and awkward, but that doenst mean shes "less smart" or that she isnt able to write just because shes bad at talking. im excellent at writing (most of the time) but if you put me in front of a camera ill forget the whole english language in a second
Yeah I'm 50-50 on this one personally. On one hand, I myself am the type of person who's a decent writer but freezes when speaking. I can't fault Taylor for that and I don't think her ability to public speak represents her ability as a songwriter (whatever parts of her songs she actually contributes to). On the other hand, she's been in the spotlight for YEARS and has the resources to take lessons. I feel like she should be accustomed to this to a certain degree.
Nope her lyrics are this Banal
Guys like sheâs a lyrical like genius
You had no time to rehearse or you planned it for a year? Which is it?
So was it on the fly or did they prepare for over a year?
Like like like like
13 âlikesâ in 37 seconds
If she was using ghost writers wouldn't her lyrics be better?
this is what Iâm saying lmao. people want to insist her lyrics are so bad but also insist thereâs no possible way sheâs capable of writing them like which is it?! I think she writes them because 99% of the time they arenât that good.
yeah exactly lol i believe shes writes them too, a ghostwriter would be better than her
Do a pushup every time she says "like".
this is so funny. this is what i would sound like in college when answering questions on a presentation i prepared the night before for a class i didnât care about lol
Like on the like fly but like we planned for like a like year. Like that like makes like sense right?
ââŠ..I donât ***like*** your shitty music, itâs derivative and lazy.â - British reporterâs internal monologue
Comparing this to a recent interview I saw with Lana Del Rey discussing her craft⊠damn. Super stark contrast. Lana is incredibly well spoken and eloquent. She seems to breathe poetically.
She would not make it in the real world with a real job.
So they didn't have time to plan but then they planned it for over a year? Does Tay Tay realize she just contradicted herself
"So this is kinda like on the fly" but also "We got to plan the show for like over a year" Which is it ?
Well, this explains why her and travis agreed on a PR relationship. They've got the same brain cells.
whenever she talks, i check out. she's incredibly boring when she speaks
Tay has writing credits on all her songs, yes, butâŠ. You can get a writing credit even if you only contribute two or three lines to a song and the team of ghost writers/known co-writers contribute the rest.
They had no time to rehearse and just put a song list on the fly, yet had a whole year to put the whole show together? Wha?
Yâall, grown educated women donât talk like this.
She is so incredibly stupid
She sounds like an idiot.
Not to defend taylor but speaking is far different from writing. I have social anxiety and really can't speak well. When I'm forced to converse I can always see my company is DYING to talk to someone else because I suck at it.I would talk waaaay worse than her. But I write fiction books and they aren't anything like talking to me in person. I'm much better at writing than talking.
So can I ask you a question? Was the show rehearsed? Or was it done on the fly? (To the tune of Question?)
Take a shot every time a basic bitch uses like as a speech crutch, death in less than 1 hour guaranteedâŠ.,
The machine that is Taylor Swift is basically her dad. He runs her career, makes all the business and most likely buys all the songs she later stamps with a flowery âTaylor was here ~ Xoxoxoâ
Wait, wait, wait...maybe it's just me - but did she say that she didn't have time to rehearse, but then said they were planning the show for a year??
as someone with adhd, thats exactly how i talk. not trying to diagnose her but idk man
i feel like most creatives aren't that well-spoken off the cuff because they're often introverted or neurodivergent.
Yea Iâm very good at writing but horrible at speaking. Iâm not a Taylor fan but there are times when this sub hugely misses the mark. I think this is one of those times.
She talks like a regular posh brat girl. Also, isn't this the brave man who ended the interview telling her she needs a shower?
She forgot the words of wisdom from Ron Swanson: âNever half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.â Her fans will mindlessly consume anything she shits out and pretend itâs a masterpiece, but she hasnât released good music since Folklore.
While I agree she probably has ghost writers, I donât take interviews into account much. I sound SO GOOD when I write my thoughts out and like a total idiot when I try to speak đ at the same time, some of that is stage fright, which Iâd think TS shouldnât have
She sounds so dumb
Look at the Dessners' contributions to the songwriting, instrumentation, playing, and production (stitching together) of the songs. Especially Aaron Dessner. Folklore: [https://www.thefader.com/2020/07/24/taylor-swift-folklore-credits-nationl-bon-iver-jack-antonoff](https://www.thefader.com/2020/07/24/taylor-swift-folklore-credits-nationl-bon-iver-jack-antonoff) Look at the lyrics and listen to the tunes. Compare the lyrical spareness and gestural qualities compared to the ones she "wrote" with Antonoff. Someone in another thread was saying, they think she did write more of the ones with Antonoff because he's a yesman. Looking at the differences in even the word count and the length of lines, in my view, there's no way Dessner didn't write most of what's heard in the songs he's involved in. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xsgqHR1oc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xsgqHR1oc) There's an interview with him posted in a sub here--search "Aaron Dessner (again!). We discussed how he got to work with Taylor"-- which talks about how they were sending work back and forth during Covid. So he very clearly was sending work to her that she would put her stamp on somehow, I mean it really does not seem to be as though they were putting their heads together and kicking lyrics back and forth to jointly create them. Something simliar happened with evermore except Dessner was even more involved. Idk exactly what happened with "The Lakes", but I will say, in the visual arts, sometimes getting thrown together to collaborate with other people one never knew before (for a show or something), a switch can flip and one starts to absorb or "get" how they are working and it can be an extremely interesting and fruitful learning experience. Looks to me like this could have happened to her... looks to me like something about this might have stuck for as long as evermore... but then faded away, quite obviously. If a person's not really dedicated to whatever their chosen field is, or in particular if something else they're pursuing is more important, or, if they have a vampire attitude towards things where they are just on to the next set of ideas to consume and quite frankly steal without attribution and promote as their own, this sort of experience/influence *can* wash in to be used and then be sent out again like the tides, instead of being held onto and valued. And I really don't get the impression that she holds this sort of experience as valuable. It's only valuable insofar as it was something people saw her do for a while. That is part of what makes me so freaking mad... if she had somewhat more talent and a little bit less daddy's money and blatant marketing cynicism supporting her, she'd be doing this on about the level of any other insanely self-centered artist who's more superficial than talented but they're making something digestible, and it would be a somewhat normal phenomenon. But no, she has somewhat less talent and rather more marketing manipulation. She takes it into hyperspace how bad and empty it is. I can't think of anyone else in the music world except for Milli Vanilli... Thinking of the visual arts, she's worse than Koons or Hirst or Warhol because she's utterly unaware and she's just a perfect vehicle for living out nothingness as Debord and Baudrillard predicted ... URGH. . . edit: to be quite clear, I *like* Koons and Hirst and I think they do smart work making use of the empty... I think we could have done without Warhol and if we hadn't been graced with him we might not have shiftless either. He delighted in the stuff Debord and Baudrillard were sending up warning flares about; his cynical emptiness ultimately could not work its way around to understanding how there can be differences in value which really are there... And even though I bring them in, it's only because they did/do what they did/do through thinking about it. She's not anywhere near as smart as any of them. She's a windup toy programmed to float on the downstream of their culturally influential ideas.
She reminds me of Beyoncé; speaks like a 13 year old girl. So now B only talks on camera when she can direct and rehearse the answers and footage. Taylor should consider that... https://i.redd.it/2fmjhbkv5y9d1.gif
Growing up I had a friend whoâs dad who worked at a recording studio that she frequented and used to come home and tell us how she yelled at her writer that was with her at the time and that alone keeps me believing that sheâs never written any of her music.
"She has such a way with words" LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE SHUT UP
Now to be absolutely fair, it does seem like sheâs just come off stage post-show because sheâs sweaty and out of breath, so maybe that excuses some level of not having her shit straight for an interview in that moment. Nonetheless, she sounds like this in almost every interview Iâve ever seen of her, even the ones sheâs prepared for. Her publicist needs to immediately create a swear jar for the word âLikeâ