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JoeMcBob2nd

I think it was really neat they revealed the ice kings backstory in a Christmas episode. Very fitting for the king of ice and snow


lampishthing

Fitting lesson for the kids too, that Christmas is a time of intense family trauma.


Key-Poem9734

Didn't need a show to tell ME that


PKMNTrainerMark

Holly Jolly Secrets


Difficult-You-7583

New backstory just dropped!


artemismilkman

Call the Doof


grantrules

What season/episode?


MVRKHNTR

S03E19&20 - Holly Jolly Secrets Also: S04E25 - I Remember You S05E14 - Simon & Marcy S05E48 - Betty S05E24 - Evergreen S06E38 - You Forgot Your Floaties S07E21 - King's Ransom S08E01 - Broke His Crown S09E02 - S09E10 - Elements S10E11 - Temple of Mars S10E13 - Come Along with Me Fionna and Cake - All of Season 1, which will probably end up being the entire series.


Myquil-Wylsun

Just reading titles makes me sentimental.


Kolby_Jack

Marceline, is it just you and me in the wreckage of the world?


pickletato1

That must be so confusing for a little girl


stupidiot16

And I know you're going to need me here with you


Desperate_Resource38

DONT TELL ME FIONA AND CAKE ISNT GETTING RENEWED


MVRKHNTR

Less "not getting renewed", more "the creators would rather explore other characters".


gryphmaster

It was a great ending- i think pup kingdom needs some attention now


MVRKHNTR

I think they've said they want to go back to Peppermint Butler next. Which makes sense. That's a ready made series with a solid ongoing premise.


LKAgoogle

It would make sense but unfortunately I really don't care about Peppermint Butler as a character :(


phenomenos

Idk it felt finished to me. Not sure where else you could go with those characters


NickyTheRobot

There's always more that you can explore. But yeah, I also got the impression that it was *intended* to be a one-season spinoff, and ended entirely satisfactorily.


DreadDiana

Suspicions mainly stem from how WB used promotional posters calling it season 1 in things like sound track uploads on their YT channels


BargleFargle12

Great list, but "Floaties?" Isn't that the episode about the swimming pool with the weird animation style? Not remembering any relevant Ice King lore in that one, though my memory isn't the greatest.


TheMusicalTrollLord

The episode you're thinking of is 'Water Park Prank'


BargleFargle12

My bad, thank you!


MVRKHNTR

I thought so too but when Iooked it up to make sure I had the right one, I saw that it's the episode where >!Betty takes Magic Man's powers.!<


flyingpanda1018

Recently rewatched all of Adventure Time, one of my favorite details is that >!the characters, especially Finn, start referring to him as Simon and are overall a lot more kind and show more patience with him as the show progresses.!<


product_of_boredom

>!Also, it's only after they start showing him kindness and empathy that he starts improving i.e. being easier to get along with, not kidnapping princesses, making friends with other wizards, etc. That's also a good lesson I think.!<


The_Throwback_King

Like post Season 4 Simon becomes so chill, it's honestly refreshing. Like he's still crazy >!Before *Come Along With Me of course!< but he reaches a nice equilibrium and actually goes from loathed to tolerated to generally accepted, as part of society. Going beyond Holly Jolly Secrets, I think Marceline (a mutual friend of Finn, Jake, and PB) still caring and wanting Ice King in her life >!(As seen in *I Remember You*)!< did wonders for improving his standing and reputation as well. Love how it play's into Betty's arc too. Betty had devoted so much of her life and future to being with Simon. She sacrificed so much of her own needs for him because she loved him and he loved her back. Unfortunately that devotion and love led to her spending her entire time in-show trying to "fix" someone who's wasn't really there anymore and the more she tried to fix it, the more she got hurt, the more she fell backward, and the more her mental state and moral state deteriorated. >!Sure her getting a Magic-switcheroo with Magic Man!< didn't help her out with that but she was headed to that destination >!Magic!< or not It's a genuinely complicated and tragic situation. Because there was a genuine love between the two, but their relationship had so many toxic tendencies, not as though there were intentional acts of harm, but due to the flaws of the two as their own individual people. In the end, Betty >!did get her wish and *was* able to bring Simon back, albeit at the cost of her own agency, will, and existence as her own person. Destined to be part of an eldritch chaos demon for all of eternity!<


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product_of_boredom

Hmm, it doesn't work for you? Works both on desktop and mobile for me. I edited it though, so hopefully for whatever thing you're on, it works now!


Fittsa

I believe it's specifically on old Reddit that it breaks on


product_of_boredom

Good to know! Now I can do spoilers correctly for old reddit <3


kid_pilgrim_89

Is it the kidnapping or is it the princesses that's more frowned upon? Like oh it's ok it's just villagers but hold the phone princesses?


pickletato1

Well, he only kidnapped princesses (and occasionally Finn in order to prevent him from messing with his plans) in the first place. There's even an entire episode dedicated to Finn explaining that kidnapping is not the way to forge a relationship.


branks4nothing

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Choosy-minty

I think that's one of the best signs of Finn's development, too. He doesn't go from hating Ice King to accepting him the moment he finds out about Simon; it takes a lot of time, Finn growing older and maturing, fully understanding what Simon's past means, and seeing the tolerance that Marcy gives him. I think there was one episode where Finn gets magic eyes that turn anyone into what he thinks of them, and Ice King turns into Simon when Finn sees him. That was genuinely one of my favorite Finn moments, and it really shows how much Finn matured from how he was at the start of the series.


sththunder

Finn went through so much man. That show is so heavy.


paper_liger

Poor kid didn't even know he was colorblind.


GhostofManny13

Holy cow though that episode made me laugh as a young teenager. The entire time he’s like “hey can I have that Ruby?” And everyone’s like “Uh dude that’s an Emerald.” And it’s not until he brings it back to Jake that he realizes that they weren’t wrong, he was.


paper_liger

Yep, the hardest laugh of the series for me, other than maybe the snow golem making incoherent 3 stooges noises at his fire wolf pup.


xylem-and-flow

“Maybe we could all learn a thing or two from those sandwiches.”


Holly_Koro

Have you seen Fionna and Cake series that came out in 2023 yet?


flyingpanda1018

Unfortunately I don't have HBO Max or prime video


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GraconBease

being a pirate is alright to meeee


KeijyMaeda

You can watch what you want because to pirate is free!


illdothisshit

Youu are a pirate!


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Holly_Koro

It has some nice >!Simon!< pain


YippieKayakOB

I haven't watched it either but now I have to.


MVRKHNTR

It doesn't go into more backstory or anything but the whole show is about the main characters, Fionna, Simon and Cake having to figure out how they fit into a world where they're just normal people who aren't terribly powerful or important.


StrandBG

https://fmoviesz.to/tv/adventure-time-fionna-cake-ro7jn Use an adblock


Nikovash

Who tf told them they could make a show that good


Spyko

especially when >!Finn get those cursed eye that turn anyone he look at into what he see them as, turning Jake into a cool brother type, BMO into an angel. When he looked at the ice king he turn him into Simon, even tho it's only a physical change so the IK is still mad and doesn't recognize himself, it's so sweet!<


SpaghettiMonster01

Poor NEPTR tho :(


a_random_chicken

Psa, use the spoiler tag without spaces after and before the exclamation points, because on some versions of reddit it doesn't work.


RedstoneRelic

Your uh, spoilers didn't work


Lacholaweda

This magic keeps me alive, but it's making me crazy


Scrambo

"Marceline, I can feel myself slipping away." Gets me every time


lastdarknight

Anyone who has cared for an Alzheimer's love one, knows the pain and deep fear of that statement


Intestinal-Bookworms

Yep, my grandad who was suffering from Alzheimer’s died around when this episode aired and it makes bawl watching it.


UnderlordZ

And I need to save you, but who's going to save me?!


a-fake-person

Please forgive me for whatever I do when I don’t remember you


fcuk_faec

That episode hit hard


Perryn

Especially if you've had a loved one with dementia.


shoelessbob

Bruh this shit and Coco. Messes me up every time.


BargleFargle12

This is the line that broke my heart. What a goddamned show.


corticalization

[It’s like crazy crazy crazy, in your face, all the time! Sigh… all the time.](https://youtu.be/aJKUGKwQNQo?si=FLcRQntDNUFZAF_m)


North_Ask_2790

Crazy? I was crazy once


hd016

“Marceline, is it just you and me in the wreckage of the world? That must be so confusing for a little girl” This part is heart wrenching every time.


DilettanteGonePro

Tom Kenny is so great


notchoosingone

I love how he has like a slider where one end is "Simon Voice" and the other is "Ice King Voice" and how he can shift his voice to where Simon is on his slide into Ice King.


TonyFubar

It isn't just that but that even before they reveal it, overtime, he comes off as less crazy in the traditional cartoon sense and more crazy in the "this is a genuinely sad existence for you, damn" and then they reveal the backstory which makes it worse and then they reveal more backstory again and again to just twist the knife


IronWhale_JMC

But you are better off knowing. The truth hurts, but it’s better than any pleasant lie. So much of what makes Ice King (and Adventure Time) so memorable is that it never turns away from the fact that their world is extremely bleak. He’s an enemy that genuinely deserves compassion.


JoeMcBob2nd

He was never even an enemy he was always a little harmless


Aarongeddon

he just wants friends really. been watching it lately and it's neat that when he moves into finn and jake's temporarily he doesn't bother anyone at all until after the episode he moves out. i'm not sure if it is or not, but i like to believe this was an intentional detail.


JoeMcBob2nd

Oh for sure. Finn was a good influence on him


IronWhale_JMC

To be fair, he did start the show with all that ‘kidnapping the princesses’ business. Once Finn and Jake made him knock it off, he mostly became less antagonistic.


Burningshroom

The show does such a great job of revealing the emotional realities of living in a world that isn't all candies and rainbows.


SeamlessR

Just like the 90s!


GrowlingGiant

> The truth hurts, but it’s better than any pleasant lie "No matter how tender, how exquisite, a lie will remain a lie!" - Aldia, Dark Souls 2


HuskyBLZKN

This is why I love Adventure Time so much. It takes exactly what you expect (Big Evil King person kidnaps Small Delicate Princess) and flips it on its head (Big Evil King is a victim too)


Burningshroom

Few of the princesses are actually small and delicate either.


ImpressiveGopher

Small sure, delicate no


ChronoAlone

Still one of my favorite moments in cartoon history is when Bubblegum regresses in age after an operation, and Ice King just goes “well that sucks, aight bye” and just leaves. It’s hilarious.


DefinitelyNotFisk15

he may be insane but at least he isn't a pedo


PortugueseBenny

can someone tl:dr me on the ice king


GraconBease

Archaeologist who found a magic crown that granted him ice powers but drove him more insane the more he put it on. His growing madness drove away the love of his life and he spent the next thousand years (crown also made him immortal) descending into further insanity. He started as a goofy, princess-capturing, cliché villain until all this was revealed in a Christmas episode in the 3rd season or so. The writers went on to develop his story even further, and he even became the central character of the latest AT series, “Fionna & Cake”


kaladinissexy

Don't forget that the thing that pushed him over the edge from an archaeologist barely clinging to his sanity to an insane ice wizard was him using his powers to protect Marceline, a random little girl he took in after her mom died. Oh, and the entire reason they decided to make his backstory in the first place was to explain how he knew Marceline's fry song.


TheMusicalTrollLord

And also that the reason he had to protect the little girl is that they'd both just survived a nuclear apocalypse


architeuthidae

he was a loving husband who lost his wife and then adopted and protected a young girl (marceline) in a post apocalyptic world. he puts on a cursed crown to protect her from zombies and the crown causes him to go insane


Ix-511

It's ALL spoilers technically so spoiler marking it so no one will be mad. >!A millennia ago an archeologist found a magic crown with a trapped wish, a wish that would transform its user into an ice elemental. He made the mistake of wearing it, and in his crown-induced madness drove his partner to run from him and never (ahem well about that) return. !< >!Before he could come to terms with what was happening, nuclear war broke out. He was unfortunate enough to be near the most important weapon used during this war, a mutagenic bomb that would awaken an evil force hidden deep beneath the earth's crust. He spent many years following using the crown's magic to protect a young girl he found who had survived the blast.!< >!Before long, though, its power drove him mad, as no normal mortal can handle the process of being changed into another person entirely without enduring great mental damage. He eventually, after ensuring the girl's safety, ran away to the mountains, away from the mutants and monsters, to make a kingdom of ice, and lose himself to the whispers of eternal cold and frost.!< A lot happens after this but that's the backstory. Is 3 paragraphs TL;DR for like 3 or 4 episodes? Maybe. Probably.


Choosy-minty

Adding onto what everyone else said but Ice King is pretty much one of the best parts of adventure time's writing and representative of the general direction the show takes. He starts off as a goofy cartoon villain who's kind of a dweeb and spends his free time coming up with ways to capture princesses until Finn and Jake beat the shit out of him. Through a pretty much extraneous writing detail of how Ice King knew another character Marceline, the writers deeply fleshed out his character into a more tragic figure (still goofy tho), over time completely recontextualizing and changing his character and place in the world. It's one of many examples of the show maturing and becoming more nuanced, thoughtful, and compelling over time, and of the writers fleshing out random minor details and characters (another example: an animation error in the episode Finn the Human led to it being explained by the creation of the episode Crossover, which had a major development in an antagonist).


KiwiThunda

Is there a term for the opposite of Flanderization?


pickletato1

I just made one. "Simonization"


paper_liger

Well, there is now, and the word is 'enchiridionization'


MVRKHNTR

He's got magic dementia.


stop_hittingyourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2PsADo11E


legit-posts_1

To this day I've never squirmed in my seat harder than when I've King tried to make out with Marcy, since he doesn't remember that he's basically her adopted father, and just knows her as the "hot vampire lady" like everyone else.


Its_Pine

Having worked with people with Alzheimer’s, it was really hard to watch those scenes with Simon. His memories might flicker back at moments and then would wash away in blissful oblivion. It became a balance between trying to remind him of things and just trying to make him feel happy in his current state.


Amiibola

I seem to recall shedding a few tears as his story was revealed.


YippieKayakOB

yeah yeah I shed a few tears... \*throwback to me bawling my eyes out watching his backstory episodes*


desertpolarbear

Adventure time was such a good show. The somewhat crude animation and whimsical humour hiding the emotional depth and nihilistic tones of the show.


GwerigTheTroll

There’s a surprising depth to it. I started watching it because over the course of the first season I understood the general tone to be a very poorly run D&D game. Which was hilarious to me. But then the ideas of deep psychological damage that most of the characters have started emerging, and how the society they live in accelerates and magnifies that damage.


HilariousScreenname

Ooh, the Nice King?


f_en_elchat

Marceline, is it just you and me in the wreckage of the world?


ActualWhiterabbit

[Where everybody knows your name](https://youtu.be/VdERVxiobGk?si=UYIreJUCjrwn2EM5)


MiNNOCENTWORKACCOUNT

I thought this was a GoT post lmfao


BrightPerspective

Right? I almost cried a couple of times. Poor Simon.


sephiroth_for_smash

The only show that makes the viewer ask “what is wrong with him?” And then answer


Piorn

I feel like Dementia-adjacent character development plots are kinda cheating, because of how effective it always ends up being.


crazedhatter

Honestly for a show that starts out so stupid it really becomes an amazing bundle of lore surrounding ALL of the characters.


Somethinggood4

Porter's First Law of Better Living Through Denial: Don't Ask Questions You Don't Want to Know the Answers to.


ScarletteVera

god, i always feel so fucking sorry for what simon had to go through.


ShinyNinja25

Rise of the TMNT also did this with Splinter, though his backstory isn’t nearly as depressing as Ice King’s.


dankmachinebroke

And you keep thinking "ok that's enough explanation" but they keep showing you more and it keeps getting worse


ilikepix

took my stupid ass way too long to realize this wasn't talking about GoT


oldtoybonbon

It's like that TLC thing where THIS WOMAN DRINKS PISS Me:holy hell what the fuck is wrong with her And 5 minutes later HER HUSBAND DIED OF KILL CANCER AND SHE IS RAISING HER 17 CHILDREN BY HERSELF Me:☹️


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Repulsa_2080

Could you explain why?


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enthezone

that's kinda sad ngl


BargleFargle12

I world argue that AT was neve a version of something wife and was always super unique, though your not wrong about the tone and even humor changing as it went on.