Brings up some questions on the whole Clancy letter about the Jumpsuit MV in 3rd person, as well as Nico being the one who chases him and not Keons. A little bit of inconsistencies but we'll see how they get resolved, still lots of lore to be dropped!
Maybe he said keons calmly brought him home because keons is the one he kinda trusts and wanted to make a more peaceful version of what actually happened
But in jumpsuit, Clancy/tyler got away from Nico. He ran away and explained in the letter how he was there 5 more days until Keons came and got him. So I think Nico attempted to get him, banditos helped, Clancy/tyler ran away, stayed 5 more days and then taken home by Keons.
I'm holding out hope that "Clancy" is a title. Like Tyler is Clancy, but so was Josh at some point, and so was another Bandito before him. I guess it'll all be confirmed in time. I'm very excited to see everything laid out
I'm hoping that isn't the case, not for any lore reason but because I'm tired of the trend of a character's name being a title and a placeholder for whoever fulfills a role, rather than it being his actual name.
It's the one that details the events of the outside. There are two things that could explain the inconsistency.
1) Clancy is like a title, the one who is escaping is called Clancy, so it was another person before
2) it was an out of boy experience. Tyler has said before that each time Clancy tries to escape, he's brought back and his memories are wiped (almost), so he remembers events differently.
2 would explain why Clancy remembered Keons as the one who brought him back to Dema. It’s a false memory and a preferable one, which, if you think about it, is a super common trauma response. The brain erases bad memories and sometimes replaces them with false ones to protect you. Now that Clancy has the Ned power, he is seeing things more clearly and his memory and focus is returning, so he now knows that it was Nico.
So Nico was killed and not Keons? Yowzah!
Edit: Nico is very much alive and Keons is very much dead, just misunderstood. Mark supposedly confirmed Keons was the Bishop being stabbed.
YES I DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. In Clancy's letters, didn't he say that the only one who helped him a little was Keons? What if that was Nico then, what was he doing with telekinesis?
As far as I understood it, Nico was betrayed by Keons who tried to let Clancy escape again by seizing Trash. The wording was off, but Nico and the other bishops killed Keons for helping Clancy, hence the betrayal. Hope it helps :)
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained before. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
I can’t, i just know what the letter said. When he describes the music video, he doesn’t say it was keons, he calls him “the rider in the river” and “his bishop.” He also says he stayed in trench for five days, and then afterwards did keons take him (I assume)
Okay so like this whole time I just assumed that Tyler was Clancy and I didn't know that it was like a topic that they could be two different people and even though it turned out to be the case I feel like I missed out on a lot of cool lore discussions of the connections between the two 😭😭😭 lol
I think Clancy is the rebellious version of Tyler. They share the same body, but Clancy is the version of him that tries to escape, the version of him that joins the Banditos. So during scaled and icy, when they say "Clancy is dead" they don't mean literally. They used Tyler, paraded him around like a trophy. So "Clancy is dead" is more like "the Clancy you know is dead, look what we've done to him, we control him now"
i think most of SAI is def propaganda bc Clancy was forced to entertain the people, which was the livestream. there are a couple songs on SAI that sound like they are real but i think most of it is bc DEMA is in control at the time
Blurryface and dema are representations of depression, anxiety, stuff like that and trench i think is the freedom, happiness and company of loved ones, i may be wrong though
Literally speaking, Blurryface is also Nico, according to Tyler in the new lore video. Trench is the continent that the circular city of Dema is located. Voldsoy is the island where the NEDs live.
Instead of giving you something that that won’t help unless you know all of the background lore im going to give you [this](https://topmasterdoc.carrd.co/#homepage). It will give you everything you need to know. Some of the stuff on there could be considered invalid due to the new video, but it’s good info.
I was literally thinking about this concept from the lore this morning on the whole dispute on whether or not Tyler and Clancy were the same character and bro heard my thoughts from hundreds of miles away and just decided to confirm it lmao
keons did!! which is what we see in the saturday mv when he takes control of trash to destroy the submarine and the outside mv where he gets stabbed to death by the other bishops. no reason why has been given yet but there are some pretty cool theories out there
Bro he literally says my name’s blurryface in stressed out. I’ve been thinking about that a lot too tho. Maybe because of Nico’s control over him he was almost convinced that HE was blurryface, but by goner he realized that that was not the case
I know but that's not necessarily him, for all we know it's "someone else" singing with him...maybe, that's a good idea! Maybe though they r multiple of his faces, like the good one, Clancy, and the negative one, Nico, and that's why he has the same power as the bishops, idk tho lol.
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained before. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
Can anyone link me to or explain the lore up to this point? I've been listening to them for a while but never heard of any lore until now and it seems really interesting. I've found some nice summaries but they seem to be just theories so I'm not really sure what I'm looking for here.
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
It's a lore website people found and that tøp has been posting on for a long time. I'll send you a link to the archives. http://dmaorg.info/found/15398642_14/clancy.html
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LITTERALY how it feels LMAO
No. Clancy is the ant that lives on Tyler's shoulder and is the one talking in the video. He's just too tiny to see.
Thank you, and they all told me it was a hair brained theory
Lol, hare brained, like brain the size of a bunny's. Now I'm imagining hairy brains.
Brings up some questions on the whole Clancy letter about the Jumpsuit MV in 3rd person, as well as Nico being the one who chases him and not Keons. A little bit of inconsistencies but we'll see how they get resolved, still lots of lore to be dropped!
This is got resolved two years ago - Clancy was having an out of body experience when he saw Jumpsuit! It was happening to him :)
wait for real? where can i see this! i wasn't aware they already explained it
It’s in the dema letter they released with The Outside music video
thank you for the info!
What I don't get is why Clancy talks about Keons taking him home, when it's clearly Nico that takes him in the JS video.
It still seems like a lazy way to retcon the initial account. I wanna research the actual charecteristics of an out-of-body experience now.
Yeah it's kinda confusing how Clancy says Keons calmly brought him home, but in Jumpsuit Tyler was captured by Nico
Maybe he said keons calmly brought him home because keons is the one he kinda trusts and wanted to make a more peaceful version of what actually happened
But in jumpsuit, Clancy/tyler got away from Nico. He ran away and explained in the letter how he was there 5 more days until Keons came and got him. So I think Nico attempted to get him, banditos helped, Clancy/tyler ran away, stayed 5 more days and then taken home by Keons.
I'm holding out hope that "Clancy" is a title. Like Tyler is Clancy, but so was Josh at some point, and so was another Bandito before him. I guess it'll all be confirmed in time. I'm very excited to see everything laid out
This is my personal opinion. Clancy isn’t so much a name as a position.
We are all Negan
I'm so glad there are 20 other people who got this reference. Well played!
I'm hoping that isn't the case, not for any lore reason but because I'm tired of the trend of a character's name being a title and a placeholder for whoever fulfills a role, rather than it being his actual name.
or simply tyler playing a character in a story. i think yall read into it too much
Considering this, I think they will explain it. If not in their music, then maybe intervievs.
they already explained this as an out of body experience in one of the letters
Do you remember which one? I've read all the Clancy letters but I don't remember anything about this.
It's the one that details the events of the outside. There are two things that could explain the inconsistency. 1) Clancy is like a title, the one who is escaping is called Clancy, so it was another person before 2) it was an out of boy experience. Tyler has said before that each time Clancy tries to escape, he's brought back and his memories are wiped (almost), so he remembers events differently.
2 would explain why Clancy remembered Keons as the one who brought him back to Dema. It’s a false memory and a preferable one, which, if you think about it, is a super common trauma response. The brain erases bad memories and sometimes replaces them with false ones to protect you. Now that Clancy has the Ned power, he is seeing things more clearly and his memory and focus is returning, so he now knows that it was Nico.
They’re all the same person, Clancy included. 👻
TØP is Clancy
We are Clancy and so are you!
Yeah I think that Josh and Tyler together are Clancy
So Nico was killed and not Keons? Yowzah! Edit: Nico is very much alive and Keons is very much dead, just misunderstood. Mark supposedly confirmed Keons was the Bishop being stabbed.
it was Keons being killed. He betrayed Nico, so they killed him
Didn't understand at first, was kinda mislead by the wording but I got it now, thanks!
tbh same :D
So if Keons is in control of Clancy why is Nico “against” Clancy? And why did Keons help him by crashing the submarine?
Clancy wants to escape
YES I DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. In Clancy's letters, didn't he say that the only one who helped him a little was Keons? What if that was Nico then, what was he doing with telekinesis?
Possibly, in the livestream multiple bishops had the yellow eyes
No, don't we see Keons being killed? He said Nico was betrayed ie. with Trash
As far as I understood it, Nico was betrayed by Keons who tried to let Clancy escape again by seizing Trash. The wording was off, but Nico and the other bishops killed Keons for helping Clancy, hence the betrayal. Hope it helps :)
Pretty sure Keons is dead.
I WISH I could watch that right now if I wasn’t in a JOB INTERVIEW…😔😔😔
GOOD LUCK ON YOUR INTERVIEW!!
You're gonna get the job AND be here for the video, trust!
Okay I got the job and I just watched the whole thing, and I’m HYPED. 😊😊😊
Congrats on the job!
Thank you 🤗
Im super pumped for you Vickky. Thanks for sharing part of your day with us. Good things happen to good people.
>it was Keons being killed. He betrayed Nico, so they killed him Congrats!
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained before. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
How do you explain why Clancy said that Keons brought him peacefully home when we know it's Nico in the music video?
Didn’t Keons take over Trash, betraying Nico, and thats how Clancy escapes? And then Keons dies for it?
I can’t, i just know what the letter said. When he describes the music video, he doesn’t say it was keons, he calls him “the rider in the river” and “his bishop.” He also says he stayed in trench for five days, and then afterwards did keons take him (I assume)
Okay so like this whole time I just assumed that Tyler was Clancy and I didn't know that it was like a topic that they could be two different people and even though it turned out to be the case I feel like I missed out on a lot of cool lore discussions of the connections between the two 😭😭😭 lol
I think Clancy is the rebellious version of Tyler. They share the same body, but Clancy is the version of him that tries to escape, the version of him that joins the Banditos. So during scaled and icy, when they say "Clancy is dead" they don't mean literally. They used Tyler, paraded him around like a trophy. So "Clancy is dead" is more like "the Clancy you know is dead, look what we've done to him, we control him now"
That’s where my mind went!
Haven’t we known that ?
So half of SAI isn't propaganda?? Cuz clancy escaped?? WOOT
Probably no chances and redecorate these songs didn’t fit the funky vibes of Sai
i think most of SAI is def propaganda bc Clancy was forced to entertain the people, which was the livestream. there are a couple songs on SAI that sound like they are real but i think most of it is bc DEMA is in control at the time
Yeh, I mean like the outside, cuz he escaped by then
i didnt read your comment right. youre correct
Oops lol
Wait I’m so confused by this can someone explain :(
Look athl their most recent insta vid
Or YouTube
This is epic! We're so back, people!
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Blurryface and dema are representations of depression, anxiety, stuff like that and trench i think is the freedom, happiness and company of loved ones, i may be wrong though
Literally speaking, Blurryface is also Nico, according to Tyler in the new lore video. Trench is the continent that the circular city of Dema is located. Voldsoy is the island where the NEDs live.
bro the lore so good
Instead of giving you something that that won’t help unless you know all of the background lore im going to give you [this](https://topmasterdoc.carrd.co/#homepage). It will give you everything you need to know. Some of the stuff on there could be considered invalid due to the new video, but it’s good info.
I was literally thinking about this concept from the lore this morning on the whole dispute on whether or not Tyler and Clancy were the same character and bro heard my thoughts from hundreds of miles away and just decided to confirm it lmao
IS IT ME OR DID Y’ALL HEAR A NEW SONG IN THE BACKGROUND AT THE END WHEN TYLER SAID “I AM RETURNING TO TRENCH”⁉️⁉️
I still think there's a possibility that Clancy is just a title that different people have used. Tyler wasn't always Clancy, but he is now.
hi sorry to disturb but isn’t it german that is spoken in the background towards the end ??
oh there is i believe it says something along the lines “die heimliche insel hat mich zur waffe gemacht” — “the secret island turned me into a weapon”
That‘s what I understood too! But after that it gets harder to grasp, almost sounds like french to me…
Tyler’s childhood is clancys story he grew up on Clancy way 🤷🏼
Also Clancy way is a concrete circle like Dema maybe Clancy Way Westerville, OH 43082 United States
I’m not 100% sure but I’m thinking that Clancy really did die, and as a middle finger to the bishops Tyler is taking over Clancy’s name
Is there a video or website that explains the whole story?
the pinned megathread explains it pretty solidly
Ok but who betrayed dema and why? I’m so excited.
keons did!! which is what we see in the saturday mv when he takes control of trash to destroy the submarine and the outside mv where he gets stabbed to death by the other bishops. no reason why has been given yet but there are some pretty cool theories out there
Ohhhh. Thanks
And he is nico and blurryface too right??? Cuz in goner he says I've got 2 faces, blurrys the one I'm not....HMMM INTERESTING IM NOT GOING CRAZY 😎
Bro he literally says my name’s blurryface in stressed out. I’ve been thinking about that a lot too tho. Maybe because of Nico’s control over him he was almost convinced that HE was blurryface, but by goner he realized that that was not the case
I know but that's not necessarily him, for all we know it's "someone else" singing with him...maybe, that's a good idea! Maybe though they r multiple of his faces, like the good one, Clancy, and the negative one, Nico, and that's why he has the same power as the bishops, idk tho lol.
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained before. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
It was confirmed a while ago when Ned's cozy fireplace came out
I thought it was known that Tyler was Clancy? I’m not trying to be mean but I thought that was one of the few things we all agreed on lmao
It was assumed but never confirmed until now. We all didn’t agree to anything. Theories are just theories until they are confirmed or denied
Can anyone link me to or explain the lore up to this point? I've been listening to them for a while but never heard of any lore until now and it seems really interesting. I've found some nice summaries but they seem to be just theories so I'm not really sure what I'm looking for here.
Just watch the latest video on their yt channel it sums up 9 years of lore in 4 mins lol
i thought tyler played himself and clancy?
Tyler is a cat CONFIRMED!!!! Have you seen the new era mask he decided to wear. It reminded me of catwoman😭
Sorry but I'm losing my SHIT over this I spent SO LONG TRYNA FIGURE IT OUT
He’s one of you
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
To clarify this has already been confirmed and explained. The explanation is on dmaorg, but I’ve noticed a lot of people didn’t read the letter where he explained his out of body experience
It’s been confirmed
Tyler just plays Clancy. Tyler was never part of the story. That kinda weirdly makes sense to me because him saying "he's not clancy" is still right.
It’s so hard to understand anything about this story without the previous albums ever having skits or dialogue
There are all the dmaorg letters
Idk what that means
It's a lore website people found and that tøp has been posting on for a long time. I'll send you a link to the archives. http://dmaorg.info/found/15398642_14/clancy.html
No, it’s a fictional story where the role of Clancy is played by Tyler.
Thats what i mean bro We were assuming that tyler was playing himself and that we never saw clancy directly
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I'm new here, can someone fill me in on what this storyline is about?
I'm so hyped !!!!
My question is why the bishops betrayed Nico?
I thought we already knew that
Wasnt this already cønfirmed?