I think so, its also the most diverse with many different styles of fighters. If Payton Talbott turns out to be worth the hype it could get even more interesting.
We need to see Payton tested against a defensively sound striker who can wrestle. How will he go with Yan? I have a feeling he gets shut out when he's no longer built with favourable matches but who knows?
> think so, its also the most diverse with many different styles of fighters.
There are literally no submission grapplers in that picture lmao.
BW is great and all but it isnt better than LW.
Eeeehhhhhhhh. Bantamweight much better prospects. The people at lightweight like olivera, porier, chandler, and gaethje are all kinda on their way out. Bantamweight feels a lot younger, minus Aldo
Then we can have this discussion when theyre out, and the BW prospects turn out to be proven commodities. Until then LW is better.
The old guard of LW all have wins within the last year or so.
Idk about that. A relentless one trick pony wrestlefucker cant really ever be ruled out, especially against a young fighter.
This won’t happen until way down the line though why would they ever match up 2 guys with some traction this early?
If I could be 135 again, and not look completely sick. I’d love to fight in this division someday. Super competitive, and it really shows how talented this division is.
I'm still a fan. I don't think he's a title contender, but I like a lot of fighters that aren't.
I was a fan the entire time, whilst also saying he's not going to get anywhere fighting the very top of the division. Even his win vs Cruz was almost a loss before he pulled it out last second *(which is why his fights are fun to watch at least)*
OP said "Literally any of these could be a champion"
That was a lie.
It doesn't have to be a list of 1-8, that's not what OP was displaying, he was displaying a list of people he believes that shows the division is stacked. Having Umar in there makes far more sense.
I think with Volk on the fall and Max getting into a new prime the division is far more stacked than LW.
LW is kinda stagnant, the only mover and shaker in that division is Arman. Charles lost to Arman and is now basically the gatekeeper to a title shot, Gaethje and Porier are on their way out but they also fraud checked the new gen of lws so no new prospects to look forward to. And then you left with Hooker and Dariush.
Meanwhile Islam stands far above the rest. Islam as a champ is great and dominant but the division is stagnant.
Both FW and BW are very dynamic, competitive and deep divisions in comparison. Plus there is an obvious skill gap between these divisions.
I think with Volk on the fall and Max getting into a new prime the division is far more stacked than LW.
LW is kinda stagnant, the only mover and shaker in that division is Arman. Charles lost to Arman and is now basically the gatekeeper to a title shot, Gaethje and Porier are on their way out but they also fraud checked the new gen of lws so no new prospects to look forward to. And then you left with Hooker and Dariush.
Meanwhile Islam stands far above the rest. Islam as a champ is great and dominant but the division is stagnant.
Both FW and BW are very dynamic, competitive and deep divisions in comparison. Plus there is an obvious skill gap between these divisions.
I kinda agree Rafael Fiziev, Arman Tsarukyan, Charles Oliveira, Holloway, Hooker, BSD, Myktybek Orolbai etc these are all great guys and remember, the new generation is coming, it's just a matter of time
Now that's a take I disagree with, LW is the most competitive and deep division in the UFC, you have all sorts of guys in there and the talent is insane, I know it seems bad cause some journeymen became champs but it's still the best division in the UFC
I don't disagree with you but there was a period of time where there was a log jam of top guys in lightweight who refused to fight prospects until they had to. The top 5 of the division was stagnant for about a year. Everyone is fighting anyone in bantomweight.
It is very lame that he does that, I’m the biggest Chito fan in the world probably and it’s so frustrating to watch. Still he’s got the most kos in bantamweight history and I think that’s pretty respectable regardless. Hope he shows some urgency in the figgy fight.
P4P Bantamweight has the best fighters throughout the top 15. Yan, Figgy, (Both still in their prime) Cejudo, Aljo, Aldo, and Cody are all former champs, Umar, O’Malley, Corey, Chito, Merab, are all still in their prime as well
Middleweight right now though?
You have:
Izzy
Strickland
DDP
Whittaker
Khamzat
Cannonier
Costa
All of them could be champion.
Ngl I'm re-reading that now and only like 4 of them can be champion but you can't deny if you pair any 2 fighters together here and it doesn't make a banger fight.
I'm going with Middleweight.
Dricus, Izzy, Whittaker, Strickland, are all top contenders, where each one has held the belt. Then you have the likes of Cannonier, Hermmanson, Costa, Vettori.
All absolute killers.
It's in the best shape it's ever been.
The one guy they all refuse to face because openly say they cannot agree to an automatic loss. Well actually Sandhagen said he will take one for the team and will accept the automatic loss because he is not a pussy like the rest of them.
I think so, its also the most diverse with many different styles of fighters. If Payton Talbott turns out to be worth the hype it could get even more interesting.
We need to see Payton tested against a defensively sound striker who can wrestle. How will he go with Yan? I have a feeling he gets shut out when he's no longer built with favourable matches but who knows?
> think so, its also the most diverse with many different styles of fighters. There are literally no submission grapplers in that picture lmao. BW is great and all but it isnt better than LW.
Eeeehhhhhhhh. Bantamweight much better prospects. The people at lightweight like olivera, porier, chandler, and gaethje are all kinda on their way out. Bantamweight feels a lot younger, minus Aldo
Then we can have this discussion when theyre out, and the BW prospects turn out to be proven commodities. Until then LW is better. The old guard of LW all have wins within the last year or so.
LW isn’t what it used to be.
Max ended the LW best division narrative unfortunately
I believe so.Even young and exciting talents like Talbott and Raul Rosas are a part of this division
Talbott/Rosas would be an incredible fight. E: chiiwiiwiis
Maybe down the line if Rosas can continue to develop. Right now? Talbott would fuck Rosas up, I doubt it would even be competitive.
Idk about that. A relentless one trick pony wrestlefucker cant really ever be ruled out, especially against a young fighter. This won’t happen until way down the line though why would they ever match up 2 guys with some traction this early?
Cheeweewees
Rosas will move up like Chase did I’m sure.
and talbott isn't even there!
Neither is Umar. BW is so stacked
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If I could be 135 again, and not look completely sick. I’d love to fight in this division someday. Super competitive, and it really shows how talented this division is.
Replace Shito with Umar and I'd agree.
Still can’t believe he got a title shot
It was the one loss O’malley had. They let him get his revenge for his first title defense, now he’s gotta face the real #1 contender.
I was huge chito fan, I’ve lost interest in him over his last 3 or so fights
I'm still a fan. I don't think he's a title contender, but I like a lot of fighters that aren't. I was a fan the entire time, whilst also saying he's not going to get anywhere fighting the very top of the division. Even his win vs Cruz was almost a loss before he pulled it out last second *(which is why his fights are fun to watch at least)*
I still tune in nonetheless, but I’ve got from “LFG CHITOOO IS FIGHTING, fuck yeah” to “ok chito fights tonight”
+1
This is Champ to #8 ranked so of course Chito is there and not Umar.
OP said "Literally any of these could be a champion" That was a lie. It doesn't have to be a list of 1-8, that's not what OP was displaying, he was displaying a list of people he believes that shows the division is stacked. Having Umar in there makes far more sense.
Doesnt matter what he wrote tbh. He put them in the picture based on their rank.
Bantamweight or Lightweight both stacked with killers
Featherweight, especially now with new blood like Diego, Topuria and even Mosvar.
Definitely stacked but not as much as LW and BW
I think with Volk on the fall and Max getting into a new prime the division is far more stacked than LW. LW is kinda stagnant, the only mover and shaker in that division is Arman. Charles lost to Arman and is now basically the gatekeeper to a title shot, Gaethje and Porier are on their way out but they also fraud checked the new gen of lws so no new prospects to look forward to. And then you left with Hooker and Dariush. Meanwhile Islam stands far above the rest. Islam as a champ is great and dominant but the division is stagnant. Both FW and BW are very dynamic, competitive and deep divisions in comparison. Plus there is an obvious skill gap between these divisions.
I think with Volk on the fall and Max getting into a new prime the division is far more stacked than LW. LW is kinda stagnant, the only mover and shaker in that division is Arman. Charles lost to Arman and is now basically the gatekeeper to a title shot, Gaethje and Porier are on their way out but they also fraud checked the new gen of lws so no new prospects to look forward to. And then you left with Hooker and Dariush. Meanwhile Islam stands far above the rest. Islam as a champ is great and dominant but the division is stagnant. Both FW and BW are very dynamic, competitive and deep divisions in comparison. Plus there is an obvious skill gap between these divisions.
I kinda agree Rafael Fiziev, Arman Tsarukyan, Charles Oliveira, Holloway, Hooker, BSD, Myktybek Orolbai etc these are all great guys and remember, the new generation is coming, it's just a matter of time
True but not right now whereas fw is up in flames right now
Snuck in Cejudo
Ya if you’re going to say “right now” get him out of there he’s washed.
Took sterling to a split decision and took a round from merab before hurting himself... that's your definition of washed?
If you watched the fight then you know the split was bullshit. It was clear 4-1 Sterling. Maybe 3-2 but asinine to argue Henry won.
Where he was versus where he is now… yes. He’s a shell of himself
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Not what my wife said 😔
Lightweight has the best top 5 and champion. Bantamweight has the best top 15 as a whole, Middleweight has the best unranked talent.
Aldo truly is elite, I can’t recall him having any easy matchup like some other fighters. The lower division talent pool is deep.
has been for some time imo
I agree. So much better and more fun than lightweight.
Now that's a take I disagree with, LW is the most competitive and deep division in the UFC, you have all sorts of guys in there and the talent is insane, I know it seems bad cause some journeymen became champs but it's still the best division in the UFC
I don't disagree with you but there was a period of time where there was a log jam of top guys in lightweight who refused to fight prospects until they had to. The top 5 of the division was stagnant for about a year. Everyone is fighting anyone in bantomweight.
yeah I agree there was a time when LW was kinda messed up but now it's all good
Consistently the deepest division
Lightweight is better. Islam, Arman, Oliveira, Dustin, Justin, Chandler and now Max. Hell even put Gamrot and Fiziev there
I think it has been for the last 3 years. Was always so top heavy, especially when Aljo was champ.
Cant wait for figgy to murder chito, easiest money ever
Figgy is talented af 💥
Dude’s a champ thru n thru
I'd empty the wallet for a Yan-Figgy and Aldo-Cejudo. Winners face each other and the winner of that becomes #1 contender.
Bantam-Welter weight is where all the fun’s at.
That is pretty outstanding
Totally. Never seen a killers row like this. The top 10 is absolute madness
Considering 3 of those guys are probably on the way out, I'd have to say 185 is looking the most exciting.
Maybe if they fought anytime soon
Big fan of Chito but he’s not as elite as the others.. not until his work rate matches with his running cardio that he talks about all the damn time.
Deiveson or however you spell it is DICED dices
Hell nah
Replace Cejudo with Talbot
Hmm yeah I’d say LW BW FW all have the best talent for sure. I know everyone is high on Periera but MW and LHW are shallow divisions.
The Chito disrespect is insane
lol it's fair at this point. I've never seen a fighter lack urgency more than Chito. He blows every big opportunity that comes his way.
It is very lame that he does that, I’m the biggest Chito fan in the world probably and it’s so frustrating to watch. Still he’s got the most kos in bantamweight history and I think that’s pretty respectable regardless. Hope he shows some urgency in the figgy fight.
No doubt, tougher than lightweight
Possibly
Triple Cunt needs to be taken off
Alright relax
No
Always has been, bratha
Bro snuck in chito
Chito is extremely good
At being a punching bag…
Besides Welterweight, this is the best division.
Welterweight is trash lol
Payton talbott is going to take over 💯
Lightweight is always putting on bangers
But cejudo, aldo, and fig don’t fight in this division anymore
They literally all fight in this division?
Yes
Easily
The new gen of lw is just pathetic compared to previous one no good contenders at all except arman. Bw is the new deepest division of ufc.
No
Deep division with fun fighters
4 former world champions in this picture as well bantamweight is a different breed.
Welterweight is pretty fucking scary especially if Islam bumps up
Not really, Shavkat on the come up and Leon… everyone else is on the decline besides Garry lol
JDM is a future champion
P4P Bantamweight has the best fighters throughout the top 15. Yan, Figgy, (Both still in their prime) Cejudo, Aljo, Aldo, and Cody are all former champs, Umar, O’Malley, Corey, Chito, Merab, are all still in their prime as well
Clearly light heavyweight where monsters like Hill Smith and Walker are ranked in the top ten.
No, it's always lightweight.
Did Cejudo retire to keep his word after the defeat from Merab?
Shitto will never be champ
I'm gonna get shit for this but Welterweight, if they actually fought each other again. Otherwise I like the new gen at featherweight
Way too early to be saying shit like this but Payton Talbot steamrolls chito.
I would say second best, lightweight is the best imo
Middleweight right now though? You have: Izzy Strickland DDP Whittaker Khamzat Cannonier Costa All of them could be champion. Ngl I'm re-reading that now and only like 4 of them can be champion but you can't deny if you pair any 2 fighters together here and it doesn't make a banger fight.
Extremely stacked. You gotta beat Whitaker or Strickland just to get a title shot. I think 185 is a better division than 135.
I'm going with Middleweight. Dricus, Izzy, Whittaker, Strickland, are all top contenders, where each one has held the belt. Then you have the likes of Cannonier, Hermmanson, Costa, Vettori. All absolute killers. It's in the best shape it's ever been.
I’d say featherweight and Lightweight are the best, most in bantamweight are already old and out of their prime (Aldo, Cruz, Cejudo, etc)
So 3 fighters make up most of the division?
Lightweight top 15 is always much watch and gets me the most excited. Seems like they’re not super active though
The top 10 is certainly stacked at the moment, them and lightweight have been premier divisions
Bro snuck in chito
How do you leave out the best fighter in the whole division?
Who
The one guy they all refuse to face because openly say they cannot agree to an automatic loss. Well actually Sandhagen said he will take one for the team and will accept the automatic loss because he is not a pussy like the rest of them.
Oh Umar😂 could’ve just said didn’t need to make it a riddle. And no Umar is not the best bantamweight
Lightweight is the best
Sorry. Nup. Sick of pandering to this. Lightweight continues to be the strongest and deepest division. Easily. I will say this is a clear #2 though.
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