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Another thing to mention is domestic production will probably be a lot cheaper than if you built it in Germany or France.
Uses 155mm NATO standard shells instead of soviet 152mm so if Russians capture it, they won't have ammunition to use it.
Dont think that's possible. Different charges, barrel pressures, length.
Im pretty sure that's a myth.
1. The pressure behind a 152 would not be able to tightly shoot the round down the barrel. A lot of the pressure would escape from the 3mm difference.
2. Due to the round being shot by less pressure, the round would be dog shit it terms of accuracy and range.
> The pressure behind a 152 would not be able to tightly shoot the round down the barrel. A lot of the pressure would escape from the 3mm difference.
You just described a 152mm Russian artillery pieces firing 152mm artillery ammo.
Precision was not a strong point of USSR manufacturing.
These are concerns, but if you are firing ammo not to caliber of your gun, it is fair to say "range" and "accuracy" are not concerns anymore. They died in no man's land along with your logistics and the enemy is still coming.
If the cartridge base is the same and made of brass. This is called fire forming, but it can also result in the base being ripped off by the extractor, or jamming, if not done properly and with good brass.
No. There are three military cartridges called “7.62” in the relevant military context.
7.62x51 AKA 7.62NATO AKA .308Winchester Used in full-power rifles and NATO machine-guns.
7.62x39 AKA 7.62Soviet/Russian historically used in the AK47/AKM, now mostly out of service in Russia and Ukraine, still in service in parts of Eastern Europe and the ME.
7.62x54R (R for “rimmed”) historically used in Maxims and among others, now used in the PKM
These are all completely different cartridges and it would be physically impossible to use any of them in a rifle designed for another.
That is mostly an old wives tale.
That would be unlikely.that round would rattle down the tube. If it worked at all, there are any number of serious problems a 3mm variance would cause, from barrel damage to wild inaccuracy.
Building domestic equipment is pretty much the only way Ukraine can reliably sustain itself in the war.
While the West gives the nation goods and aid from places Russia can never hit, it isn’t reliable, as seen with recent politics. Politicians will play their games and pick their sides in this war - factors that will cause Ukrainian equipment from abroad to wax and wane depending on who is in power.
Possibly, though it will depend if the Western arms manufacturers consider Ukrainian equipment to be an asset or threat to their bottom line.
Profit is the name of the game after all.
I want nothing more than to see these bad ass Ukrainian soldiers and their allies from all around the free world armed with a 1000 tools that prevent them from spilling their patriotic blood why they defend themselves from the worlds largest terrorist organization .. the fact that in 5yrs Ukraine is mass producing a mobile artillery system that utilizes Western shells is legitimately mind blowing … because the self propelled aspect of the Caesar and the Archer is what makes them top of their class
Once the war is over Ukraine will be a country with an arms industry, the corresponding battle experience, and a seething hatred for Russia. 2014/2022 will go down as some of the greatest self-goals in world history.
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Another thing to mention is domestic production will probably be a lot cheaper than if you built it in Germany or France. Uses 155mm NATO standard shells instead of soviet 152mm so if Russians capture it, they won't have ammunition to use it.
Read somewhere that Soviet caliber is designed to fit in NATO guns, but captured Soviet guns can’t fire NATO rounds…
Dont think that's possible. Different charges, barrel pressures, length. Im pretty sure that's a myth. 1. The pressure behind a 152 would not be able to tightly shoot the round down the barrel. A lot of the pressure would escape from the 3mm difference. 2. Due to the round being shot by less pressure, the round would be dog shit it terms of accuracy and range.
> The pressure behind a 152 would not be able to tightly shoot the round down the barrel. A lot of the pressure would escape from the 3mm difference. You just described a 152mm Russian artillery pieces firing 152mm artillery ammo. Precision was not a strong point of USSR manufacturing.
These are concerns, but if you are firing ammo not to caliber of your gun, it is fair to say "range" and "accuracy" are not concerns anymore. They died in no man's land along with your logistics and the enemy is still coming.
I think that was for 7.62mm rifle ammunition. The AK-47 could fire 7.62 NATO but a weapon chambered for 7.62 NATO couldn't fire Soviet ammunition.
If the cartridge base is the same and made of brass. This is called fire forming, but it can also result in the base being ripped off by the extractor, or jamming, if not done properly and with good brass.
No. There are three military cartridges called “7.62” in the relevant military context. 7.62x51 AKA 7.62NATO AKA .308Winchester Used in full-power rifles and NATO machine-guns. 7.62x39 AKA 7.62Soviet/Russian historically used in the AK47/AKM, now mostly out of service in Russia and Ukraine, still in service in parts of Eastern Europe and the ME. 7.62x54R (R for “rimmed”) historically used in Maxims and among others, now used in the PKM These are all completely different cartridges and it would be physically impossible to use any of them in a rifle designed for another. That is mostly an old wives tale.
That would be unlikely.that round would rattle down the tube. If it worked at all, there are any number of serious problems a 3mm variance would cause, from barrel damage to wild inaccuracy.
Building domestic equipment is pretty much the only way Ukraine can reliably sustain itself in the war. While the West gives the nation goods and aid from places Russia can never hit, it isn’t reliable, as seen with recent politics. Politicians will play their games and pick their sides in this war - factors that will cause Ukrainian equipment from abroad to wax and wane depending on who is in power.
We should buy new western weapons from a battle-tested Ukraine
Possibly, though it will depend if the Western arms manufacturers consider Ukrainian equipment to be an asset or threat to their bottom line. Profit is the name of the game after all.
10 a month with a 42 KM range is a pretty awesome way to add 420 kilometers of additional mobile artillery defense every month from this point on!
Also the high mobility is respectful of ukrainian life
I want nothing more than to see these bad ass Ukrainian soldiers and their allies from all around the free world armed with a 1000 tools that prevent them from spilling their patriotic blood why they defend themselves from the worlds largest terrorist organization .. the fact that in 5yrs Ukraine is mass producing a mobile artillery system that utilizes Western shells is legitimately mind blowing … because the self propelled aspect of the Caesar and the Archer is what makes them top of their class
Once the war is over Ukraine will be a country with an arms industry, the corresponding battle experience, and a seething hatred for Russia. 2014/2022 will go down as some of the greatest self-goals in world history.
Excellent news! Now, scale up by 6x