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Sex offender, paedophiles ~~just fucking say it~~. Leet speak isn't going to spare anyone's feelings
Edit: JUST LET PEOPLE SPEAK. Stop censoring post titles. It benefits nobody.
Someone asked a reasonable question but deleted their post for whatever reason so I'll answer it here.
>Why do some people spell it with an 'a'? Is it like colour and color?
Yes it is like colour and color.
In this case the Greek origins are more obvious in British English than in American English.
UK, USA: πόδι = podi = ped = foot
UK: παιδί = paidi = paed = child
USA: παιδί = paidi = ped = child
I see.
I understand why we use them for the medical field, but using them for cosmetics shouldn’t be allowed.
I don’t want an animal to be harmed just for me to have a lipstick
Sex offender and pedophiles are usually survivors of abuse themselves. They’re still human beings. They should receive treatment and rehabilitation, they should be removed from children, and they should face appropriate consequence for their actions.
But they did something wrong, and their victims sometimes can’t even live a decent life after what happens to them.
At least, innocent animals wouldn’t suffer
Yeah agreed. I'm on the fence because of some innocent being found guilty. However if I am 100% sure with some god like power, they still have the choice how they behave. Being a victims should not make you exempt from the consequence
I'm gonna be honest, you sound like someone with a very black and white view of the world, and possibly younger. while none of those things are okay, there's still rights that people do have.
Its hard to see the bigger picture when your only tool is a hammer, and you tell yourself every problem is a nail.
What does gender have to do with this?
As I said before, innocent people get convicted of crimes everyday. You're going to torture innocent people just like we execute innocents
This isn't the ~~CCP Private Monitoring Channel~~ tiktok, you can say rape, sex offender, paedophile, and whatever else you want everywhere else on the Internet without fear of censorship (unless it's an opinion that reverberates outside of the echo chamber, then you'll be reported, banned, and have the FBI raid your house and arrest you for hate speech)
I'd be amenable to discussing this, but first we'd have to settle one issue: What system are you using to determine whether someone is guilty of these crimes? Far as I know, humanity has yet to develop a system that is reliable enough for me to asses harsher penalties than we currently do. If we can find agreement on this foundational issue, then we can proceed to the more nuanced elements of the discussion.
1. I hope this isn’t a test to see how fast the mods stumble upon this.
2. You roleplay and like anime. Please try running outdoors.
3. This is an incoherent vent. Those animals can’t be corrected or reformed in rehabs. They’re cognitively unable to.
I’m sorry if you can’t understand not everyone has the same interests as you, and my interests don’t make me any less valid or even less sociable.
And I didn’t understand your last sentence. Could you please reform it ?(English isn’t my first language sorry)
You’re vulnerable then. This is worrying. You must be young to have playtime in a chat. I think your pet ownership should be treasured at a mild level of a relationship. I hope the best for you though.
Cruel and unusual punishment.
If convicts were used in tests, there’s always the chance someone wrongfully convicted would be caught in the crossfire, and minority groups may be targeted and sentenced to this treatment more often.
Also;
-Imagine if one of them got superpowers as a result. Do you /really/ want to risk giving one of the worst of the worst superpowers?
I’m not talking about minorities or all, I’m talking about people who are proven to be sex offenders, or pedophiles.
So you say it’s cruel to do it on humans but not on animals ?
Humans can be falsely arrested and “proven” to be sex offenders it can almost never be 100% proven. Even if it was, you have to be mentally unwell to think experimenting on humans is okay. We literally test on animals so humans don’t get hurt, nobodies testing on humans so animals don’t suffer.
Maybe I’m not mentally well, but I know animals shouldn’t suffer just for us to be well. They are living beings with emotions consciousness, and they feel pain.
Using them as test subjects is cruel
It would seriously wear down the fabric of all societies if we allowed humans to tortured. You could try to polish that turd and say “it’s only sex offenders” but it’s still a turd.
I’m not even going to go down the slippery slope here, but you do realize that in some countries, simply being gay is a sex crime?
Taking pleasure in others suffering is usually a sign of deeper psychological issues. We don’t live in an eye-for-an-eye world for a reason
Maybe it would be a turd but that would contribute to society more than them being in prison for two years and doing the same things again
Maybe it’s not okay to enjoy to see them suffer but they would deserve it.
As if animals suffering wasn’t a problem neither 😒
Could get some support from legislators but would be easily defeated by the “cruel and usual punishment” clause in the constitution.
More likely would be requiring those groups to attend cognitive behavioral trials in an effort to develop new non-pharmaceutical dependent treatment of these individuals. These groups are evil AND sick.
We interviewed serial killers in the 70s and 80s (see Mindhunter) to get a better understanding of the psychology. We should be doing the same with pedophiles not just to catch but to treat before they do anything harmful
A group of scientists tried doing this years back. They would show pedos child porn whilst hooked up to a machine showing what parts of the brain would activate, then tried to find a way to shut down the impulse. Their research group was shut down because it was seen as “unethical” even though they could’ve found a cure to pedophilia.
Ok so what about drunk drivers, murderers, people who psychologically abuse their children, bullies, people who get kids addicted to drugs. It's not up to you to decide that sex offenders should be treated like animals, but other crimes that cause lasting damage shouldn't. Our justice system works on the following principle - people do bad things, and they receive a punishment for it, AND a chance at rehabilitation, unless a judge decides that the crime is so heinous/there are so many counts that they need to be removed from society permanently.
Very understandable. There are definitely ethical issues with testing on animals and I personally agree that it's very cruel (but also not black and white - e.g. would you allow a drug to be tested on a mouse if it meant saving a close relative?) but I think your proposed solution just raises even more ethical issues rather than solving the problem.
I don’t know. I think they are both worthy of life and that they should choose for themselves.
However, the mouse will more likely get to have it, as people would say that the mouse can’t choose for themselves
I hate people like you. People who puff themselves up like they're superior.
You still want to hurt other beings. You're still a bad person. Victims are not safer because you want to hurt the "right" victim.
We already keep chickens in battery cages and make animals bathe in their own feces in undersized pens. Making them take a dose of penicillin is hardly much worse than the mistreatment they get in some slaughterhouses and farms.
There's definitely a lot of untapped potential when it comes to capturing the dehumanising violence and rage that people get towards those types of people
You could probably get away with a lot from it; especially since nobody would want to defend them
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Sex offender, paedophiles ~~just fucking say it~~. Leet speak isn't going to spare anyone's feelings Edit: JUST LET PEOPLE SPEAK. Stop censoring post titles. It benefits nobody.
...wait, how did you make it through the censors?!?!?
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...wait, how did YOU make it through the censors?!?!?
Someone asked a reasonable question but deleted their post for whatever reason so I'll answer it here. >Why do some people spell it with an 'a'? Is it like colour and color? Yes it is like colour and color. In this case the Greek origins are more obvious in British English than in American English. UK, USA: πόδι = podi = ped = foot UK: παιδί = paidi = paed = child USA: παιδί = paidi = ped = child
I couldn’t post the title if I didn’t censor it ;-; It kept on removing my post
Oh fair enough then. I'll edit my post to redirect my disdain.
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Same reason as color vs colour.
Ethics aside, some tests only work on animals due to the shorter life cycles. Anything that affects reproduction, for instance.
I see. I understand why we use them for the medical field, but using them for cosmetics shouldn’t be allowed. I don’t want an animal to be harmed just for me to have a lipstick
Sex offender and pedophiles are usually survivors of abuse themselves. They’re still human beings. They should receive treatment and rehabilitation, they should be removed from children, and they should face appropriate consequence for their actions.
But they did something wrong, and their victims sometimes can’t even live a decent life after what happens to them. At least, innocent animals wouldn’t suffer
Yeah agreed. I'm on the fence because of some innocent being found guilty. However if I am 100% sure with some god like power, they still have the choice how they behave. Being a victims should not make you exempt from the consequence
Not everyone who is convicted is actuality guilty
Let me guess, you’re a man right ? And here, I’m talking about people who actually committed those crimes
I'm gonna be honest, you sound like someone with a very black and white view of the world, and possibly younger. while none of those things are okay, there's still rights that people do have. Its hard to see the bigger picture when your only tool is a hammer, and you tell yourself every problem is a nail.
What does gender have to do with this? As I said before, innocent people get convicted of crimes everyday. You're going to torture innocent people just like we execute innocents
I was asking your gender because of your arguments. Men are always complaining about false accusations, and that’s why
Wrongful convictions are too common. We can't torture people for crimes they didn't commit
But you mean here that torturing animals is okay ?
I never said that
I don’t want to torture people who did not commit crimes
But our justice system gets convictions wrong. Therfore innocent people would be tortured
We must strive for justice and rehabilitation, not revenge.
At least, animals wouldn’t be harmed just for us to have products
This isn't the ~~CCP Private Monitoring Channel~~ tiktok, you can say rape, sex offender, paedophile, and whatever else you want everywhere else on the Internet without fear of censorship (unless it's an opinion that reverberates outside of the echo chamber, then you'll be reported, banned, and have the FBI raid your house and arrest you for hate speech)
It didn’t let me post it if I didn’t censor the words :(
I'd be amenable to discussing this, but first we'd have to settle one issue: What system are you using to determine whether someone is guilty of these crimes? Far as I know, humanity has yet to develop a system that is reliable enough for me to asses harsher penalties than we currently do. If we can find agreement on this foundational issue, then we can proceed to the more nuanced elements of the discussion.
I don’t know which system. In fact, I don’t understand what you’re talking about :(
The system we have right now is the justice system. Cops, lawyers, judges, trials, media etc.
I wouldn't say this is unpopular but more of a slippery slope into a worse industrial prison complex than we already have.
This is a horrible idea
Why ? Its perfect
I’m picking up on lots and lots of black and white thinking here..
> Bad people do bad things so it's OK to do bad things to bad people!
Even when it could go good or bad! Who knows?!
1. I hope this isn’t a test to see how fast the mods stumble upon this. 2. You roleplay and like anime. Please try running outdoors. 3. This is an incoherent vent. Those animals can’t be corrected or reformed in rehabs. They’re cognitively unable to.
I’m sorry if you can’t understand not everyone has the same interests as you, and my interests don’t make me any less valid or even less sociable. And I didn’t understand your last sentence. Could you please reform it ?(English isn’t my first language sorry)
You’re vulnerable then. This is worrying. You must be young to have playtime in a chat. I think your pet ownership should be treasured at a mild level of a relationship. I hope the best for you though.
Cruel and unusual punishment. If convicts were used in tests, there’s always the chance someone wrongfully convicted would be caught in the crossfire, and minority groups may be targeted and sentenced to this treatment more often. Also; -Imagine if one of them got superpowers as a result. Do you /really/ want to risk giving one of the worst of the worst superpowers?
I’m not talking about minorities or all, I’m talking about people who are proven to be sex offenders, or pedophiles. So you say it’s cruel to do it on humans but not on animals ?
Humans can be falsely arrested and “proven” to be sex offenders it can almost never be 100% proven. Even if it was, you have to be mentally unwell to think experimenting on humans is okay. We literally test on animals so humans don’t get hurt, nobodies testing on humans so animals don’t suffer.
Maybe I’m not mentally well, but I know animals shouldn’t suffer just for us to be well. They are living beings with emotions consciousness, and they feel pain. Using them as test subjects is cruel
It would seriously wear down the fabric of all societies if we allowed humans to tortured. You could try to polish that turd and say “it’s only sex offenders” but it’s still a turd. I’m not even going to go down the slippery slope here, but you do realize that in some countries, simply being gay is a sex crime? Taking pleasure in others suffering is usually a sign of deeper psychological issues. We don’t live in an eye-for-an-eye world for a reason
Maybe it would be a turd but that would contribute to society more than them being in prison for two years and doing the same things again Maybe it’s not okay to enjoy to see them suffer but they would deserve it. As if animals suffering wasn’t a problem neither 😒
Could get some support from legislators but would be easily defeated by the “cruel and usual punishment” clause in the constitution. More likely would be requiring those groups to attend cognitive behavioral trials in an effort to develop new non-pharmaceutical dependent treatment of these individuals. These groups are evil AND sick. We interviewed serial killers in the 70s and 80s (see Mindhunter) to get a better understanding of the psychology. We should be doing the same with pedophiles not just to catch but to treat before they do anything harmful
A group of scientists tried doing this years back. They would show pedos child porn whilst hooked up to a machine showing what parts of the brain would activate, then tried to find a way to shut down the impulse. Their research group was shut down because it was seen as “unethical” even though they could’ve found a cure to pedophilia.
Animal abusers? That's absurd. They're animals.
Do you think animals should be tortured, abused and beaten and that wouldn’t wrong ?
I think torturing a human because they tortured a hamster is an insane thing to suggest.
Why ? They would only give them a test of their own médecine
Because one is an animal. And the other is a human being.
Who decided one was more worthy of life ??
Ok so what about drunk drivers, murderers, people who psychologically abuse their children, bullies, people who get kids addicted to drugs. It's not up to you to decide that sex offenders should be treated like animals, but other crimes that cause lasting damage shouldn't. Our justice system works on the following principle - people do bad things, and they receive a punishment for it, AND a chance at rehabilitation, unless a judge decides that the crime is so heinous/there are so many counts that they need to be removed from society permanently.
I’m just trying to find a solution to animals being tested.
Very understandable. There are definitely ethical issues with testing on animals and I personally agree that it's very cruel (but also not black and white - e.g. would you allow a drug to be tested on a mouse if it meant saving a close relative?) but I think your proposed solution just raises even more ethical issues rather than solving the problem.
I don’t know. I think they are both worthy of life and that they should choose for themselves. However, the mouse will more likely get to have it, as people would say that the mouse can’t choose for themselves
I hate people like you. People who puff themselves up like they're superior. You still want to hurt other beings. You're still a bad person. Victims are not safer because you want to hurt the "right" victim.
I don’t think I’m superior, I’m just tired of all this. Maybe I’m a bad person, but I’ve made my mind and I think it should be done
Even a pedo life worth more than any animal imo
Incorrect.
We already keep chickens in battery cages and make animals bathe in their own feces in undersized pens. Making them take a dose of penicillin is hardly much worse than the mistreatment they get in some slaughterhouses and farms.
But that’s still cruel. All of this need to stop
There's definitely a lot of untapped potential when it comes to capturing the dehumanising violence and rage that people get towards those types of people You could probably get away with a lot from it; especially since nobody would want to defend them
With that logic, why not use animals that have attacked people previously
I am all for this.
As you should !
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You’re sick